Which DAW Is The Best? (Surprising Answer from Pro Audio Engineer)
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I've tried almost every DAW - since the early days of Acid Pro.
Ended up settling with Studio One.
Rock-solid stability, drag-n-drop almost everywhere, easy and fun to use.
I still like acid pro.
Acid Pro now by Magix!
Magix provide „Samplitude“.
I use Samplitude for more than a Decade, the output on the Master by Samplitude is a real World and it Sounds totally different from other DAWs ! After installing open a old Project, you will be amazed and astonished what you hear.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
@@reeik9000fl
I wrote my first computer-recorded song use Acid - back in 1998 when it was still Sonic Foundry. It was a great tool! Btw - I've also settled on Studio One. For a long time I was a hardcore Cubase user, but I can't handle what they've done with the UI at this point.
I abandoned Cubase for Reaper a long time ago. Reaper is not only an excellent DAW, but it also comes with the security that it's not going to cost you an arm and a leg to keep up with the updates.
I've been using Logic for about 15 years - I absolutely love it and it's unlikely I'll ever switch as I know my way around it. However, whenever anyone asks me for their recommendation (especially if they're not an Apple diehard like me) I recommend them Reaper. Amazing DAW and the price is insane
Tried many DAWs, and have worked mostly with Cubase in the past. But went to Studio One and will never go back. Lacks a little in the MIDI editing, but workflow is unbeatable.
I use Reaper because of its sensibilities regarding CPU power. I can do 150 tracks easily with high plugin usage on all of them with Reaper. The others fall miserably short.
Ableton gives me about 24, Studio One probably another 10 tracks.
I record at 96/24 on 2 high end AMD/Win 11 systems synced via RTP-Midi.
Studio One has an incredible work flow but I paid for this power and I want every drop I can get.
Reaper very intelligently ‘sees’ each thread as a ‘cpu. This allows for much more spread out and clean data disbursal.
Also it’s a great DAW with just about limitless possibilities with the genius level Action List.
Good to know.
huh? Ableton Suite number of tracks is unlmited. Why do you need 150 tracks? I would love to hear that mess. 🤣
@abelanc1090
I know right. George Massenberg made incredible sounding music with only an 8 track tape machine.
I'm 32bit float at 96k in Cubase Pro on a beastly PC and never have so much as a hiccup regardless of track count.
I will say, at 150 tracks, most of that is headed for 'mute' come mix time. ;)
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
The point he’s making is absolutely true. It’s all about workflows, how you want to work and what DAW is better at accommodating that workflow. It might take a bit of effort to arrive at a good choice, but it’s so worth it. Myself I was a Cubase Pro user for like 20 years, when I happened upon Studio One. I reluctantly learnt to use it, and now I can’t see myself ever going back. But is S1 a better DAW than Cubase Pro? Not necessarily. For my workflow though, it’s leaps ahead of the competition. The only caveat I might add is ProTools seems to survive mainly on its history as a de facto standard. I don’t see why anyone would choose it in 2023, unless they need to be exchanging projects with other ProTools users with maximum ease.
Cakewalk for me. Been using it almost from the beginning starting as my MIDI editor via smpte and then when the computers got fast enough to make latency negligible I've been using it for midi and audio. Paid for it when it wasn't free but now it's free! Unbelievable program. It just works. Never a problem with plugs at all. But then, I do have a good computer and that helps. 48 channels in and out via lightwire thru Hammerfall interfaces into a Yamaha DM2000 board. A dream set up! But then, I go back to my first studio job in the 60's when we used two 2 track Ampex machines to record with lol! A punch in was taking the best of 3 or 4 takes and splicing them together with a razor blade, splicing block and tape. An overdub was sending your band track from one machine thru the board, adding the vocal or whatever and into the second machine. Glad I lived long enough to get to use what we have now!
I used Cakewalk since HS3. Ive found Ableton (what i use now) is the closest workflow to Cakewalk.
It is still the best for midi
Is there a modern version of cakewalk?
I rarely hear Digital Performer in some of these "the best" conversations. The gentleman gave a pretty encouraging take on it.
it is and has always been great. It was early in. The MOTU stuff is well integrated. and as a pair, never crashes. Great company.
Reaper. I wouldn't have always said that, but absolutely Reaper.
I was a Cakewalk/Sonar user for many years, Pro Tools for several as well and the only answer at this point is Reaper. It started out maybe a little entry level but those days are long gone. You can even make it look like any other DAW if you have a background in any of the other majors, but without question, 60 dollars for a program that's adaptable, configurable, and customizable as Reaper is absolutely no choice at all. There is nothing that even comes close in terms of being able to make it your own. The fact that it wasn't even mentioned here is an astonishing and frankly an embarrassing exclusion. Logic is a lovely program but it's not doing anything that the other platforms don't do.
Typical audio elitists, they avoid talking about reaper because it's too complex for their simple mind!
...and they just added the track/fx wiring window a la Tracktion.
I'm a REAPER user too. It's so much the "dark horse" of DAWs... as good as any of them, better than quite a few, and no one seems to know about it.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
@@petertremblay3725 I use Reaper and Samplitude and i agree with you!!
Love the painter prep analogy. GIRATS. A little considered part of DAW selection is hardware support. Some very large and complex aggregate audio interface and digital mixing systems are easier to manage in one DAW than another. Some very pro-level control surfaces work properly with only one or two DAWs. If you own some giant control surface that makes your DAW look like a big studio console, with 32 flying faders, or if you use some digital-mixing/routing workflow that uses some very high end hardware with software integration only for one or two DAWs, that's your decision made for you. Some of us have a 2 channel audio interface, a pair of cans, and an attitude. Some of us have a few million dollars in gear. It's not the same thing for the people with a lot of gear. Pro Studios tend to stick with what they've been using for 30 years, because there's too much resistance to the risk of ever changing what works. "Standard" is another way of saying "Risk Averse". And when your whole business rides on opening the doors and having ANY mix engineer show up on any day and do anything they need to do, and another mix engineer show up another day, and do what they need to do, it's not about the software, it's about not rocking the boat. DAW Software is a jigsaw piece, in a complex puzzle, made up of partly of hardware, partly of software, and MOSTLY made up of people.
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started on Nuendo in '00, Reason/Recycle in '02, pro tools, cubase, logic, ableton, and to been on Studio One since version 2 (wasn't amazing then), now Studio One 6 is beast mode finally and Ive never been able to program midi faster and manipulate audio than I have with Studio One. Highly Recommend for anyone living in the piano roll! Happy producing!
I am on logic, still not too deep into all its stuff so I can jump to another one before getting a power user, let's say. I am composing on MIDI so your comment is interesting to me. Most film composers are on Cubase and it appeals to me, but Studio One people love it. So is it that "agile" to work on the piano roll better than Cubase? If you know? cheers
Is there a big difference from version 3 studio one to 6? I want to be able to use automation, etc.
Only asking because I currently have version 3 for free that I never used
@@jennyhong6746you gotta get a newer one. I'm still using 4 and the only thing I'm salty about is that it doesn't have plugin nap lol so I'm ready to upgrade but I'll live til I can. Transform to rendered audio is my best friend
I use Reaper on MacBook Pro. It’s light on the cpu, not to mention the ability to open multiple project tabs. It is my all-audio workflow workhorse in studio & live performance. Cockos Reaper for the win.
Would you say it's semi quick to get started on?
My purposes are recording song+instrument combined with sample sound music, probably without using synth keyboards.
@@haliaeetus8221 yes. Very easy. When I was on my search years ago coming from Roland XP, EMU MP7, and Akai DPS12, I found that was up & running making songs in reaper faster than in any of the other DAWs. Look up Kenny’s TH-cam tutorials if you need help.
@@haliaeetus8221 Kenny Goia Reaper Mania. YT
You will have basic skills in a week...if you do it.
@@haliaeetus8221it has a steep learning curve. People brag about its customizing but it’s really overwhelmingly customizable. It’s like looking at the dash board of a 747 for the first time.
I started with Cakewalk and stayed through the end with Sonar. Switched to Cubase and I must say that it is on a completely different plane in terms of quality. The best feature for me is the remote MIDI controller. You can take any controller you happen to have, design a graphic layout with their simple tools, and assign just about any function you want to any knob, button, slider, or pad. I don't know it any other DAWs have that, but I don't think so. If someone else designs one for your controller you can import the script and use it as-is or tweak it. There is a fantastic one for the Arturia Keylab 88 mk2. Just super. I hope Steinberg sticks with this feature.
Sonar and Cubase were big rivals in the past. Considering Sonar X3 is still around and getting updated by the same programmers and, thanks to Bandlab, is free (for the moment!), what does Cubase offer that's significantly better? Just curious.
@@ChrisM541 The last Sonar I used was Sonar 7 so I'm not up to date with latest features and can't comment intelligently. However, I was a very big fan of Sonar at the time and don't have anything bad to say about them at all. Having said that, I find the MIDI remote controller and general ease of workflow in Cubase are commendable. Their tech support has been pretty good, although I haven't needed to contact them much. I worked through every page of the entire 1,400 page manual. There are a lot of features that are useful but are widely unknown.
I like Logic Pro and Cubase Pro. Cubase has certain features that are missing in other DAW’s like real time midi keyboard controlled pitch correction and alterations. Chord track which is an amazing feature. Harmony block creator.. Logic is great too and comes with built in mastering assistant, great stock plugins and software synths, drummer track and so on..
Same. I mostly use Logic, but have Cubase pro
Yep!
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
@@reeik9000 Try Reason or Cubase Elements
Just going to give a shout out to Cubae 12 Pro here, amazing DAW, and the entry level one is very powerful. If you use Virtual Instruments in my experience it's easily the best even better (and more stable) than Logic (including on a Mac which is surprising). But it's also a very well rounded midi, production and virtual instrument package - it's basically the best when you want the best of everything in one package.
absolutely. Cubase = Pro Tools and Logic in one daw.
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Cubae?
This wasteful 3D GUI they introduced a while back feels very wobbly and incoherent, like the audio pool. I never liked working with it since. Some workflows are still sh!t and I wish they'd add more of the audio editing features from WaveLab. Those tiny popups to edit stuff are just ridiculous, esp on large screens. Some parts of the UI haven't changed in 20 years.
I'm running Cubase since the Atari days, skipped the occasional versions on Windoze so I hope the redesign in Cubase 13 will fix thus. Haven't updated yet.
@@CirTap It's ok to not update due to inconvenient workflow changes. Some people still do use Windoze 7 because they run legacy stuff and its convenient to them. BTW something weird is going on with google chrome's UI recently and the updates are force fed, cant be controlled through flags anymore. People that bring such ridiculous changes to "modernize" software should be held back and thoroughly questioned about why they did it.
Used numerous DAW's but started out on tape, so been at this for a while. Found that Cubase Pro works the best for me and the support mechanisms for Cubase are unparalleled in the business. It has always been rock stable on the PC's and the MIDI functions are the easiest to work with. Very smooth work flow.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
I own studio 1 and I love it. There’s so much under the hood with them waiting to explore. It’s a learning curve but I love that I can mix and master and create in the same space. And yes, it’s so all about “painting.” Very hard work but once some magic happens it’s so exciting for me
The editing and creation of sounds is fabulous too... Love, Love, Love Studio One and I don't have to deal with the Apple universe...
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What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
Mixcraft should have a mention here.
I've been thinking of trying Mixcraft, I've been a Acid Pro man from day one and have done nothing else since besides a little Fl Studio
Mixcraft was simple to operate without delving deep into instructions when I started using it in 2017. I'm trying Reaper this week because so many people have favorable opinions of it. I unsuccessfully tried installing it 2 years ago.
For me, it's all about what you do with it. Some have different workflow tendancies (Ableton vs FL for example), but as long as the basics are covered it should all really be personal preference IMO. The DAWs used by my preferred artists varies quite a bit (Logic by The Midnight, Ableton by Com Truise, a stupidly old version of FL by Timecop1983), but they can all make great music with them.
I make synthwave on Reaper
@@mohitrahaman Me too
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
@@reeik9000 any, you will eventually use 3rd party VSTs anyway so DAW choice does not matter. Reaper is all around solid for the ease of access and workflow.
I like this take. Use what you think works best for you. Try a few DAWs out and if you feel that one just clicks for you, roll with it.
LOGIC If you are on Mac.
Studio one with Reason Rack VST on PC.
Ableton for electronic live performance options. FL studio for beats and Hip Hop.
Pro Tools for industry standard.
Then any of the others you want.
Try them all.
If you have no cash get Reaper.
Yeah, good points. Ich work in PT, Logiv, Ableton and Cubase. Cubase being my first DAW I learned deeply. As with every computer application, there are frustrating aspects to it, but I can navigate a session with a band breathing down my neck quickly, without dropping the ball. That, to me, is the fundamental aspect of using anything. There are features in every DAW that all the others can't do. I go to Cubase for linear mixing work. It's very deep. I can see why many people would chose the way more uncluttered Logic, as their DAW of choice, and I find my self using it more and more, as it runs stable on a mac like no other application. Ableton Live has so many features for sounddesign and just pure jamming. I use it a lot for writing and coming up with ideas. For editing and mixing I would no touch it. If you are starting out, give them all a spin and pick the one that speaks to you. Then, learn that thing inside and out and get off the DAW Wars. :) Cheers!
P.S. Pro Tools is for old people!
Am going to have to go with Reaper. It has good quatization and humanization. I could not stand how ableton works for midi workflow. Reaper you can customize your toolbar to anything you want and same with hotkeys, I have over 4000 3rd party scripts for Reaper, took me 8 months to customize it to my liking and I still add things every now and then to my custom settings. I used to use Cubase and Ableton. Reaper is not easy to learn, but is worth it. It gets updated almost once a month.
That's awesome you have that many hotkeys down!
@@OrpheusAudioAcademy I have around 20 hotkeys i use consistently. And maybe 40 to 50 buttons in my toolbar, you can make custom icons for the buttons it is neat.
What the scripts do are all custom actions. i went through the entire list and picked out the ones I like. There are still a lot more.
They are .lua files that open little apps in Reaper. For example the Bus Driver by Monkeybars which is recently new. It is a Routing manager for larger projects. Reaticulate which is an articulation keyswitch manager for orchestral libraries. That is the main reason I stick with Reaper. We just have a lot of useful tools like this and it seems there is a new one every few weeks. People are always making new things. I code my own banks for Reaticulate for my kontakt libraries. It is pretty neat how it all works, takes a lot of time.
I like this guy in the video. you have done a few good interviews. He seems to know a lot. Thanks!
studio one is like this too.. hence why I can't get away from it haha, whats your favorite toolbar command? I put long strings of macro commands on there have hotkeys that trigger different templates/ setups 🤘🤘
@@Cloud-Records I like the multi track or single track edit command for CC lanes, So I can draw in dynamics for mulitple tracks at once in the midi piano roll window. I like the scripts people make for Reaper like Reaper Bus Driver, Reaticulate, Visual Mixer. There is a lot those are 3 of the best ones.
@@maplefoxx6285 thats amazing, thanks for that! I get lost in the weeds sometimes - the possibilities are literally endless. Multiple Tracks at once and/or Multiple FX parameters to a single dial. Calls for some amazing sound design results!
I have worked with Digital Performer more than any other DAW. I think mostly because I think in a linear fashion. And with the addition of their clips window, I can now think more like other DAWs are designed. I bought Ableton Live 11 recently just to learn to work with something different. I like it as well. I think for more orchestral complex stuff, I will stick to Performer, but I also want to also explore keyboard and synth comp, so I am going to toy around in Ableton 11 for that. I have an NI Maschine MK3, so one of my next phases of learning will be how to transfer work done in Maschine 2 to either Ableton 11 or in some cases DP 11.
I have Ableton for long time and I really like but now I am learning Orquestra and I got Digital Permormer but I feel it`s difficult to learn I will need some time with it. Thanks
i don't get DP at all. I tried it and it feels like an antique.
@@WarrenPostma I don't think it is for everyone. And for me, it depends on how I am approaching a piece of music. I can certainly see how other DAWs might inspire my own writing in a different way. That is why I always like to explore other DAWs. But I still love DP, and have a lot of use for it.
former hardcore Pro Tools, Logic and Studio One user.
Now primarily on Cubase 12 and...very happy. Yes, Cubase has the best flexible daw mixer and the best midi editing composing capabilities. Cubase onstock effects and synths are top notch in these days and absolutely comparable to expensive purchased plugins. I really like the fast creative Samplertrack, Direct Offline Processing and the Control Room e.g. great GUI too.
I´m in Post Pro, Voice Over video, Orchestral Midi Composing and EDM Sounddesign. For all tasks a solution, highly recommend, I must say.
Interesting about the Midi editing composing capabilities. I am on logic, tempted to jump to Cubase, but have many recommendations for Studio 1. You've on all three. So, is Cubase definitively a superior MIDI composing tool? cheers
True and Cubase has the very best routing and structuring, along with countless more aspects.
!00% agree.
then tell me how can you do chains with feedback in them? protools, logic, heck. even ableton and bitwig have it and yet, s1 and cubase still think we're all stupid here.
Great advice, Work flow preferences.
I've owned and used all these DAWs at one time or another. Years ago when I switched from a ( very tricked out ) PC to a custom built Mac operating system, I was hell bent on using Logic as my DAW. I was then introduced to an early version of Studio One. I used it on a TV show I was scoring and since I use a lot of MIDI in my productions , Studio One was smooth and I got the cues done in half the time my previous DAW could do. The newer versions of Studio One has had a few of my friends convert over from Pro Tools and such, to that program
The bottom line is this: Learn whatever DAW your using to the max, They can all produce great results....depending on the user.
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Cubase is kind of an enhanced form of Logic. I tried Studio One a few days ago just to see if the free warp was better but I realised that I could not do internal recording as easily as in Cubase. I worked with Pro Tools also extensively and many bigger projects would have been a nightmare to route and organise in Pro Tools so Cubase appeared to be a better choice than I ever knew about from the start.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
I started with Cubase in 2005. Hated it. Ive been using Logic for the past years and works flawlessly for me, but I wan to give Studio One a try
I started with logic and loved it but I switched to PC so I started using reaper and been using that for the past 3 years, live it to death but just was curious what's out there so I started Studio One and I must say... Studio One is actually a very clean and powerful DAW, very customizable, and similar workflow to Logic and Reaper but not exact. Honestly definitely worth a shot!
Digital Performer is a really good DAW for me because of real time midi plugins you can insert on the mix track. Doing this allows me to stack midi plugins one after the other just like I would with an audio plugin. So I can apply a little bit of quantization and then copy that setting to other tracks. Or I can make slight adjustments if something sounds too robotic. Most DAWs force you to commit to a certain quantize setting so later on I wouldn't be able to see what quantize settings I used originally. This can be critical with midi as some patches have a different feel due to the ADSR envelope so if I change a patch on the keyboard I need to change my quantize settings to maintain the feel I want.
Digital Performer is so underrated. It's my DAW of choice even though I own ProTools, Logic Pro, Studio One 3, and Ableton 11. I also create in Maschine since it's inception but I always mix and edit audio in Digital Performer. It's also the only DAW I use for live audio playback!
I’ve used Digital Performer for many years and I have no desire to change, it works perfectly for me. Too bad it’s fallen a bit out of favor with the youngsters.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
Started with Sonar 3, upgraded to Sonar 6 PE. Someone recommended Studio One, so I gave S1V3 a crack and loved it. I've Upgraded to S1V5 - don't see myself changing. Such an Awesome DAW.
People that praise Reaper are the same that were praising Linux like 25 years ago, saying it would take over Windows or MacOS… and 25 years later, Windows and MacOS are still dominating the laptop/desktop computer market…
Randomly came across this video while researching today's DAWS and pleasantly surprised to see you filmed this at my old school yard (Unity Gain) with Master Sensei Anthony Ianucci,.. Legend. Great instructor and offers such a great program. I fondly recall those days, can't believe its been 20 years. Oof. Time Flies... He'll still be rocking Digital Performer in 20 more years, I haven't touched it since then personally, but its a solid daw. as is logic... (I never got the work flow with Ableton...)
I've been with logic all this time, but I'm wanting to get adventurous.. it'll be interesting to see what AI will offer the world of recording In the coming years... (sure its cheating, kinda)
That’s so cool, William! I’m a Unity Gain grad as well. Graduated in 2019. Anthony is definitely a legend.
I’ve heard good things about Ableton, but never liked the workflow myself as well. I really think it’s hard to beat Logic if you are composing your own songs and arranging sounds. I used to use Cubase on PC, but Anthony convinced me to switch over to Mac and Logic.
I was using Cubase 12 and it’s brilliant but I love Logic Pro, I still want to use Reason as well
I’m a Ableton user but logic stock sounds do go hard!
Studio One the best overall DAW. If it didn’t exist I’d use Logic or Cubase. #S1Gang.
Whats so good about Studio One ??? As a means to features and workflow
interesting take. I use many different Daws; all have different capabilities as pros and Cons. And even when people say: "all DAW sound the same" I have to say that the plugin choice (Stocks plugins) and the workflow and Pitch and time-shifting algorithm make you sound different! So with that said, Which DAW has the best Stock Plugins and Pitch- Time Shifting algorithm, Also which one has the best workflows for different scenarios (recording, Mixing, Mastering, Producing, Composing)? All of this matters when you're searching for a DAW that Fits you.
The surprise is there is no surprise. The best DAW is the one that works best for how you work, it best organized to how your brain perceives things, and you can get the most work done on for the music you’re trying to make. The is no best DAW. Only what works best for you. It’s really that simple.
Demo a few that catch you eye and pick the one that best serve your purposes.
I feel like most people are not familiar with this DAW, but I've been using Tracktion Waveform for several years now and I absolutely love it. It's very flexible, customizable, the user interface is very friendly... I absolutely love the workflow. The licensing for it is excellent as well... you pay once for a perpetual license of that version, and whenever a new version comes out that you feel inclined to upgrade to, they give you a good discount for it as well.
I’ve tried alot of Daws and it’s Logic for me. I did not know the answer and was open to listening but 100 it’s the best as far as workflow. I think Ableton is up there as well to be honest but that’s something we can debate about
Logic is the jam
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I happily use Nuendo 12 which is substantially an enhanced version of Cubase (even the audio engine sounds a little bit better apparently). For me it’s unbeatable, I’m a soundtrack composer and really can make anything in it at absolute professional level.
That might have been true 25 years ago, but shortly after the audio engine was rewritten for Nuendo, it was back-ported to Cubase. They are both exactly the same now.
The audio engines of both cubase & nuendo are the exact same
It’s good enough for Hans Zimmer.
Good discussion. Still on GarageBand here.
WOW! an actual opinion! great to hear
Have always loved Digital Performer and Logic on Mac. Someday I'd like to build a Windows PC and load Cubase on it and give it a go. A friend I collab with uses it and based on watching his workflow, II really like the editing and how well it integrates all the plug-ins (FX and instruments).
thank you!
You're welcome! Thanks for commenting! 🙏
Used to be a ProTools guy, but since you have to lease it I’m looking for something new.
Digital performer is my preference, but it really depends on what you started out with and what you know best. And what kind of work you do. Are you using only midi or only audio recording or both? They all sound good and are very well developed. Has anyone out there really used all the DAWS for an extended period of time to actually compare? I doubt it.
Importantly, it DOES matter which DAW one uses. If a process is like ten times as requiring, time consuming, it is very likely that the intended process gets diminished, compromised or even left out.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
Ive started with cakewalk. Then Sonar. After 7 years with sonar , change to Cubase and Nuendo. Now im stuck with Logic and Studio One. Both has their own advantages. I should say Logic is more straight forward, but Studio one 6.5 is a monster!
Good point - to wit’ - I use Logic for Video Dialogue editing because I use FCPX so the tight integration with Logic is part of my workflow and - when Apple decides to go to a subscription pricing model - I’ll switch to Da Vinci and it’s DAW (along with dumping all my Apple products, like MacBooks and my iPad… and iPhone when Elon gets around to his ePhone!)
The best DAW is the one that you know how to use and to be able to execute any creative idea that you have with out hesitation, they are all really good in this day and age so I would stick with what ever is working for you, personally I have been a Cubase user for 25 years and there is no idea that have had that I haven't been able to bring to life with it.
Was on Sonar and Cubase since early days.. but now im on Cubase due its significant imporovement in the last 5years , Cubase its go get House now from all Angles
I understand your frustration with the lack of shortcuts and the seemingly arbitrary differences between DAWs. Cubase/Ableton works for me, and I find that Logic's extensive access to pitch bend and other features is a bit too much for my liking, even though it has great sounds. I prefer simplicity. FL studio/Pro Tools, I will never use due to a tiresome work flow. Why would someone design a car with a steering wheel that turns the car right when you turn left? Ultimately, it doesn't really matter which DAW you choose as long as you feel comfortable using it.
studio one!
Studio One sounds like an outright winner here. The people raving about Studio One are NOT only outnumbering everyone else, but their words "about it" are almost 100% congruent 🥰😍. I use Cubase myself. NOTHING will beat Cubase/Nuendo when it comes to the Musicality aspects of the DAW. It is possibly the ONLY DAW where I can create a song with NOTHINGG showing whatsoever on the timeline (Zero events!) and NOTHING recorded and NOT even a cursor MOVING on the screen (Zero plugins too!) becuz the ENTIRE timeline would be just . . . BLANK, yet I'd be having my song playing and getting it produced 🤩🤩🤩 So this means I can tell Cubase/Nuendo to make/create music for me, rather than get my hands so dirty trying to RECORD music INTO it. ALL the other DAWs lack in-depth Midi functions. They are more like just on-screen "mixing" desks or rather TOO much of just multi-channel audio MIXERS. Cubase and Nuendo are just in their own league. I cannot BEGIN to describe what is MISSING in ALL the other DAWs that's been available in Cubase/Nuendo for like 18+ years 🤩🤩 I will be exploring Studio One "AGAIN", cuz I did NOT like its SEVERE LACK of Midi features when I initially tried it.
Got familiar with Pro Tools. Great audio editing, love the workflow too. It is not know for great midi handling, but I'm fine with it as I prefer recording analog audio. I use some midi, without high demands and it works. Logic didn't appeal to my personal prefs but I know it has its own merits. Same as good for audio I believe.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
Keep in mind: most people when listening to music, go for the emotional impact. They don't care if the mix is imperfect. Songwriting always trumps recording and mixing. You can write a song in any DAW, but i think Logic helps the most with that process. Audio editing might be superior in other DAWS, but the same thing can be achieved in Logic with maybe an extra step or differently.
what tools dos Logic have to help with songwriting?
The drummer is number one for me. If you play a guitar part it can follow it, still adding personality and a human touch to it. There is a lot more to the drummer.
If you have an ipad and get Logic Remote, you can build chord progressions with it. Just tell Logic what key do you want the song to be in and will give you all the chords that are useful.
Third: it comes with a gazillion loops and synths and sound packs that can be easily mangled and be very inspiring. Later you can even delete them as you build a song. It just helps with the creativity.
Live loops. Try things together in seconds without copy pasting sections etc. Again the iPad with Logic Remote helps here immensely.
Step sequencer, helps with coming up with melodies and drum beats. (Logic remote takes this even further, FREE by the way). @@Jaburu
Logic is fine but I think Cubase has some nifty stuff as well. I don't consider a drummer being a writer tool. Cubase has some chord and scale stuff (I'm not a cubase user) which are praised by some. I don't miss anything and for every need there is a solution or option. Writing is done inside the brain. Being able to push record afterwards to recover the thing you just played without being in recording is a write tool which proved it's use (to me but I don't know if logic is unique for that feature) Most features adapted in logic are pretty great and they work about great. It's a don't worry just work daw in my opinion.
Great interview. My history of DAWS/Sequencer goes like this: 1. Roland MC 500 MK2 with 8trk cassette 2. Cubase on Atari computer. 3. Cubase on PC and Sound Design Session 8 on PC 4. Digital Performer on Mac - Acid on PC 5. Logic on Mac 6. Ableton Live on Mac. I learned Ableton to play backing tracks for live band and DJ. Now it's my go to DAW. I do still own current versions of Logic and Digital Performer but rarely use them. I found that once you go away from a DAW for a longer period of time it's harder to get back in the groove but Ableton is the fastest for me to get back creating after being away from it.
Wow! Another Session 8 user.
In 1990, I had Cubase on an Atari 1040 sync'd (via SMPTE timecode) to a 1/2-inch 8 Track Otari tape machine. 7 analog tape tracks, and at least 8 solid midi tracks to trigger hardware synths, etc. during mixdown.
In 1994, got an 8 track Session 8 system, running on an IBM with a 25 MHz CPU (Heheheh).. Just enough processing power to crank out 8 waveform views after a recording pass (it took a minute or three to produce those waveform visuals). Of course, all the actual audio processing was done on the special ISA card; and the converters (two 4-IO, sync'd via word clock) were 16 bit, and probably jittery as hell. And you had to back everything up to DAT tape (which took longer than 'real-time' since you were backing up 2 tracks at a time), after filling the 1 GB SCSI drive that cost a fortune bc it had to have a seek time under 17ms.
In 1998, (after a brief flirtation with Cakewalk), Cubase finally had a reasonable audio & midi system, with PLUGINS! Expensive plugins, of a quality that would be considered laughable today, but still, it was a semi-real audio recording platform in a standard Computer system.
Kinda been with Cubase ever since, but it is as the interviewee said - it's as much about familiarity as ease of use (Cubase does suit my orchestral compositional needs well, unlike Studio One & Pro Tools, the other DAWs I've work on in the last 14 years). But I see the appeal of Studio One (though my last version was 2.5). The midi editing sucked, but the overall system was great for recording and mixing, and it had basic mastering built in as well. A touch more stable too. (I've never liked Pro Tools - don't find it intuitive OR flexible.)
Great overall take on DAWs in this vid.
Sadly, the OS world is getting out of hand. Windows is more and more bloated and 'cloud' dependent, and (though my experience is limited) Mac is supposedly 'Minor Version' specific, hardware dependent and rather pricey.
IMHO, because of the expansive 'do everything and make it so the average user doesn't have to worry about X, Y & X' approach by the OS developers, the DAW makers can't ever be sure that a given OS (major & minor release) on a given system will be totally accommodating for their DAW.
To be honest, I'd probably switch to a dedicated hardware system if it weren't for interface & plugin flexibility.
Shame. I had a Windows XP system that took 200 MB of memory to run and my DAWS rarely crashed.
IN 2013, finally switched to Windows 7, and after a brief struggle, finally got it stable and rocking for DAW use. Spent more time reading the 1800 page 'Windows 7 Insise and Out Deluxe Edition' than I would have preferred.
Just got a new system with Windows 11; it's been over 5 weeks and I'm still prepping it for DAW use (and reading 'Windows 11 Inside and Out' - and the RME Fireface UFX III manual - and trying not to watch too many 'how to' TH-cam videos - and putting off rearranging the gear racks). Annoying. Even though 'automatic update' is turned off, the system still manages to update stuff I will never use and didn't ask for..
Maybe one day I'll actually make some music again.
Starting to miss that Otari 8 track, Soundcraft board, Summit 2 Ch Tube Preamp, Lexicon MXP, Yamaha SPX 90, Valley People Dynamite & BSS compressor. Simpler times.
Cheers!
I use Presonus Studio One Pro. Love it.
i work exclusively in logic and fl. those 2 are the best. i mix and produce from both
Studio One!
I used Cubase on Atari ST then Cubase SX3 then few years with Logic X until 2015. Since then I use Studio One almost 9 years since version 3. I won’t change it for nothing!
As ever, it depends what you are doing, and to an extent up until you hit a roadblock, what you are familiar with. I can’t get away from sequoia for editing classical, restoration, and mastering.
I like protools. I’m nowhere near as fast as I should be with it, but It’s rock solid mixing and archiving, and I love love the ability to print multiple mixs. its midi suits me as but All I really do is trigger sound effects with it. It forces and encourages tidiness.
Nuendo I find a very steep learning curve. Powerful, It’s retiming algorithms are stupendous. Reconform is handy, there’s a whole bunch of stuff I don’t use daily which looks great and nixes a whole lot of 3rd party plugins, it plays well with others. But ouch. One day I’ll have the time to actually properly get to grips.
Logic is a deal once you buy a Mac. It’s dialogue editing annoyed me 6 years ago, but then I wasn’t familiar with the program and sorting out someone else’s mess at the time. Pc based so a non starter for me now boot camp is no longer possible.
Started with LMMS (Linux Multimedia Studio) on Ubuntu, bought Bitwig which work on Linux. Went to Windows to be able to use more synths and plugins. Went further to FL Studio and finally settled with Cubase, which has a very good interface, but also a lot of hidden gems.
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
@@reeik9000 Many people use Ableton for hip-hop and EDM, and for rock and pop I can imagine Pro Logic, Pro Tools, Cubase.
Imo / exp (production) Bitwig - (Live performance) Ableton - (mixing) Logic or Harrison mixbus
Started with PT and used S1, Ableton, Logic. I ended up going back to PT when they went back to perpetual. If I would ever switch it would be S1 or Logic.
Logic comes with 50GB of samples. Cubase comes with 35GB, but it gives you VST with instruments exceedeing far beyond capabilities of any other DAW on the market. That includes sound generators, pad makers, drum machines, sampler and ADSR based synthesizers with 8 genarators included with trhe DAW! So my answer to Logic as a best DAW is " B**TCH PLEASE"! The guest said: it is whats in the package - Cubase (wont even mention Nuendo) comes with best mixer, best stock plugins, best workflow, best virtual instruments, best samplers, best routing, best features and best suport for VST technology..... Only DAW that can get close to it is Studio One. And i tired all of them. Worked on some for years (Pro Tools, Ablerton and Logic) and there is no comparison. None (appart fron Stidio One recently) come close to the podium. There is no third place, just void and a mile of mud between them.
Bro BitWig is probably the best daw on the market.
Also include price difference if you wanna say bitch please. Logic only 200$ where cubase stands around 600$
you need to relax
@@thetheoryguy5544 there is no best. It is what you need and what features work for you. Period the end.
@@thetheoryguy5544 bitwig is cool but they are extremely different in editing capabilities and workflow. Bitwig has a leg up on looping/performance in certain ways....
I have yet to find a DAW that natively supports virtual cables so that applications can be individually assigned to them and on a per track basis be recorded or just monitored for example in a live streaming situation we are sending Master Tracks out to obs and then to Twitch
For overall features and easy work flow, Studio One is the go to DAW. It's also growing rapidly in popularity and may soon be the industry standard.
I use presonus studio one and logic pro x. If I was doing movies I would use Cubase. For Live I would use Ableton live.
For Windows Systems is it „Samplitude Pro X“.
For Apple, Pro Tools or Logic.
For Linux, Reaper I think so.
Started daw with pro 12 steinberg in 89, before that it was four track , went to protocols 7.4 , went to Logic in 2010 because avid wanted €10 for an mp3 converter tool .
The best DAW is the DAW you know best. 😎
Then no one, because I don't know any DAW by now? 😢😉
@@rainerdietel6511 Touché 😅
I'm gonna save ya'll some time: "REAPER".
I used Cubase for years, the PT not for midi. Now Studio One does it al for me.
Cakewalk used to have a great DAW but Studio One is the best i have used.
Awesome interview, I use Logic gets the job done :)
Love Logic!
When I was doing more linear stuff Logic is def a very good choice for the workflow but if you have Synths and basically doing techno, Live is the way to go.
Started Years ago with Ableton.....not even knowing what a DAW was...or what Ableton was ...now it is like knowing the back of My Hand.... Now teaching My Child Ableton.
Reaper also has no different track types. There is only one track type.
Any videos you can recommend for learning logic? I'm looking to create tap pad midi with virtual instruments drag drop loop add effects vocals ✌️💚
“Why Logic Pro Rules” is a really good channel for learning Logic.
@@OrpheusAudioAcademy and MusicTech Help Guy too
Ableton has it all for me. That paired with Melodyne.
Informative vid . Thanks . ps . What is the producers name in the vid . I agreed with all his points .
Great to hear! His name is Anthony Iannucci, and he owns Unity Gain Recording Studio in Fort Myers, Florida.
Logic is home for me.
Any reason why?
I used one of the "other" very popular DAWs for a long time and while it had some amazing features stability and glitches were an issue. I switched to Pro Tools and it just works. I'm done switching or trying other DAWs. Just buy a perpetual license and you're done.
Yep.
Cubase film scoring
Ableton jamming!!!
Logic is amazing as a tape machine and it’s EAZY! So intuitive
Pro tools is the standard delivery system for most stuff, so it’s nice to prep a session for someone and do you mixing in that or at least nice clean stems in their and label checked etc.
This is such good advice.
I still want to try DP for it’s chunking feature. Seems amazing.
Cubase / Nuendo is Numero Uno in Filmscore World
I used studio one since 2017 snd tried cubase 13.. Man the differences in recording is insane. Wheb recording midi drums in cubase and guitar everything feels way tighter, Both daws had the exact same settings so i don't know whats wrong with studio one.
I updated to studio one 6 and still have thr dame issues, Im gonna buy cubase for recordig and use studio one for mixing
An important fact when being a power user / DAW is the workflow AND a well designed physical Controller. S1 with Faderport 8/16 is an unbeatable combination.
I like Mulab because you can basically dive right in with very little fuss.
Mixcraft and Sonar are really great!
I recently tried to duplicate a Reaper technique in Logic and couldn't. I needed the 'envelope' (Reaper associate track waveform) automation of a plug-in parameter, and also to stack some midi modifier plug-ins, 'snap-to-key', 'velocity control' and transpose with bypass envelopes. I'm pretty sure it couldn't be done in Logic.
I remember doing that kinda stuff in Logic 5.5 back when it was owned by Emagic, on Windows only... maybe is just buried a lot nowadays?
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you can still do that in Logic. I've found there is a lot hidden in Logic that many don't know about.
Still use Tascam porto studios :)
Quite honestly, most DAWs are all very good and up to the task. I think you just need to pick one, learn how to use it properly and get on with making music.
I like it when someone just gives an answer that isn't "hurr durr it's the engineer not the tool." Refreshing.
I abandoned Logic for Reaper 2 years ago….. best decision ever.
I heard reaper can utilize all cores. While logic can’t. I just wanna know who makes the decisions that end up contributing to this bs.
We both know that you wake up at 2-3am and question that decision so don't bullshit me ok?
What’s the best DAW for 2000s / 90s hip pop like Dre type beats?
And what’s the best DAW for 2000s punk / rock instrumentals? Like Linkin park, Avril Lavigne etc.
Well reaper is so much lightweight and efficent compared to any other DAW. Here Ableton Live user.
Again that's just your preference. Comes down to preference and what you are doing
Samplitude/Sequoia. 32-float since the 90’s. I’ve used many others and prefer the transparency of Samplitude.
your comment just made my day😀
Vegas Pro. 😁 So easy to use, so powerful, so fast.
The best DAW is the one you can use best and gets your work done. It's the only criteria.