Thank you so much for your review! It was definitely more unique and answered questions that others haven't asked. I feel like most review videos are just repetitions of what was discussed when the M4 was announced. I had no idea about flicker. I recently purchased the M4 (haven't opened it yet) but now I am a bit concerned about this oled phenomena. I'll be researching more about it. Thanks again!
Yeah, as an artist, I’m already sold on the iPad Pro. Since 2018, it’s replaced my laptop as my main content creation & media consumption device. However, your video did convince me to go with the standard screen over the nano texture one. 👍🏼
Unless you get the 1 TB or 2 TB model, this is honestly a worse upgrade to a 2018 or 2020 model than the M2 iPad Pro. Cutbacks on the 256/512 GB model: -The chip is binned so you lose one of the performance cores -They now use one storage chip instead of two, so your storage speed is significantly slower. This has a real impact in that these models can’t do ProRes @ 4k30fps Issues that apply to all M4 models compared to upgrading to an M2: -You lose an ultrawide camera and have no other camera upgrades. The camera hardware is just worse than the last 3 models. Software should make up for it with all that AI performance, but it’s still kinda weird to see this cut. I’d rather lose the lidar. -If you own any current iPad accessories, you gotta throw them out for the new ones as there is no backwards or forwards compatibility between this iPad and its accessories and the previous versions. For the privilege of all the compromises, you get to pay $200 more and that’s if you compare new prices. Obviously you will see M2 iPads on fire sales now. The M1 iPad Air is already at $400 on Amazon. Is all of this worth that tandem OLED display? On a tablet? To be fair, I haven’t seen it in person, so maybe. But to me it just seems difficult to justify all of this.
The views on the nanoglass reflections indoors and PWM are very helpful and your price comment is to the point. Could you please also show the nanoglass reflections outdoors?
The point you make about the nano glass coating is true and very important. I saw a TH-camr talking about how he has the Apple Studio display with this same nano texture glass and he showed how text appears a bit blurry with 'scattered' non-crisp lines. I'm so glad I watched that video before ordering my new M4 iPad Pro because I was about to order it with the nano texture, but I do a lot of reading on my iPad: news articles, ChatGPT 4 output text, e-books, etc., so text quality is vital. I then ordered it with "standard glass" and I am super happy with this purchase!! To be 100% honest, setting aside all the hype when new models are released, I did a careful comparison of this new OLED display side by side with my M1 iPad Pro with its mini-LED display ... and the image quality and crispness is almost identical. I viewed the exact same HD Dolby Vision movies side by side on the exact same image frame, etc., and only when I looked super closely was I able to see a very slight difference in resolution quality. For example, in Avatar - Way of Water ... I could notice a very slight improvement in detail like jewelry or hair braids, but nothing significant. So anyone who already owns an M1 or M2 iPad Pro should not feel like they are missing out on image quality ... the mini LED screens are already excellent! (and don't worry about the so-called 'blooming' issue ... white text on a solid black background looks pretty much identical on both the new OLED display side-by-side with the M1's mini-LED display. But the new keyboard and Pro Pen are both fantastic, and of course the hardware specs for people using Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for iPad ... and to future proof for new Ai capability ... these are the things that set this new iPad Pro apart from previous models.
I agree with you 100% the OLED iPad Pro is the most overrated product I have seen since 2001 when they introduced the Segway. At that time they told people everybody would be using them for transportation. Some of the geniuses even said it would be more important than the Internet. Steve Job is quoted, as saying, as important as the PC. Which a year later, he said, the product actually sucked. Here we are 23 years later and the only people using them are overweight mall cops. Now with the introduction of Amazon, they too will be obsolete very shortly. I paid over $1300 to Apple for the 11 inch iPad Pro with the OLED Display, which included the $229 Logitech keyboard case. When the iPad 11 arrived on May 15, I immediately compared it side-by-side to my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro with 256 GB and retina display. After using them both side-by-side for three days indoors and outside in bright sunlight, I could honestly not tell the difference between either of them in display quality. Initially, after first turning them both on, I actually had to look at the box to make sure it was the model with the OLED display. The only way I could really tell the difference was because mine has a white bezel. so yesterday May 18th I put the iPad 11 back into its nice little box and sent it off to Apple for a full refund. I was actually thinking of purchasing the 13 inch iPad Air to replace my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro but after visiting Apple‘s website and using the compare models feature, I decided against it, and here are the reasons why. 1 : Apple decided to cripple the iPad Air by removing promotion, which means it will only refresh at 60 Hz instead of 120 Hz like my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro has. 2 : It would be a quarter pound heavier need I say more. 3 : Apple decided as a marketing ploy, to remove 2 speakers, and one microphone as incentive to jump to the next higher and model. My 7 year old iPad has 4 speakers and two microphones. 4 : My 7 year old iPad has promotion which is quite important to stop rubberbanding affect and anything that requires 120 Hz for speed games, etc. 5 : I decided to use my $1300 to buy some Apple stock this way for a change they could pay me when all the suckers run out and buy this overhyped nonsense. One last thing I noticed after you spend over $1,300 / $ 2,800 they do not even include the 36 W charger only a 20 W ,but conveniently sell it on their website $49.99 they even stopped, including the 2 stupid stickers claiming environmental reasons, but you can get them in the store after purchasing an iPad. Apparently that does not affect the environment. Also, Apple has cut a deal with logictech to supply their keyboard exclusively for the first month at an inflated price of $229 when it should cost $139 on Amazon but for now the only place you can purchase it is from Apple. Thanks, Timmy but no deal.
Thanks for the advice I’ve been using the 2017 iPad Pro 2nd gen and I was waiting for the new one but not anymore! so I’m gonna buy the 2022 6th gen M2 12.9 off EBay?
If you’re bored give it a shot. It’s a great phone once you spend the time setting it up. I did a video on it. Also I would swap out all the Samsung apps with google. Like the keyboard, calendar, etc.
Would you suggest an 11" M4 iPad Pro, or a M1 12.9" iPad pro? I can save like $450 by going with the M1. I am wondering if I did go with the M4, would I miss the larger screen?
Can you do me a favor? I can’t find anyone who has both the 256gb and 1T iPad m4 13 inch. Can you do a battery life test of it? I want to see if the 256gb model last longer due to having 1 less performance CPU core? I subscribed in hopes of seeing you post this test.
I love matte displays and this nano is similar except for the glare bezels but there are other reasons why I do not buy a new iPad, starting from the extremely exaggerated price and going to Apple's disrespect of users not doing things the Apple way.
@@terribletimes902 Examples of Apple's disrespect of users are as follows. I do not want to use iCloud so Apple punishes me by 1) 1 to 6 popups per day requesting my confirmation to the iCloud terms and 2) disabling WLAN updates of iPadOS (or forcing unwanted agreement to the iCloud terms). There is only the option "Not Now" instead of "Never". I have had to click "Not Now" thousands of times now. Popups also occur at random times. All this wastes my time and costs my nerves. The iCloud terms violate regular EU and German laws, basic and human rights, and each application of the iCloud terms by Apple would violate the German criminal code, and my acceptance of the iCloud terms would violate data protection laws imposing fines on me for not data protecting my customers. This is so because the iCloud terms, if read carefully, "grant" Apple the right to use all my cloud files and all my device-local files and spread them to anybody in the world for arbitrary use. I do not want to use speech recognition but if accidentally I press the related virtual keyboard button, there is only the option "Not Now" instead of "Never". In various settings, I want to disable all options but there is no "Disable All" button. Instead, I have to click each option individually. During the first years, the Walled Garden and missing file management was even very much worse than now. Apple wants me to buy only Apple devices so the Walled Garden still, for example, prevents exporting Safari bookmarks to an HTML file, which then I could import in other browsers on my Windows computers. One either has to pay €40 for an app like iMazing, or copy and paste each bookmark individually. I set up SMB to share files via the app Files to a Windows PC. If I use LAN, it works. If, however, I want to use WLAN, a bug can occur so that then either a) all my selected files on my iPad are lost or b) I have to circumvent the bug by then confirming each file to be transferred individually. If hundreds of thousands of files had been selected, this would take weeks. Hence, naturally the user wants to be flexible and use LAN or WLAN but Apple wants the user to use only one method. During 8 1/2 years of using my iPad, video streaming has always had 1 or 2 major, frequent bugs. Apple's quality control refuses to fix such bugs quickly and to avoid introducing new bugs on fixing previous bugs. Powerful file management does not exist. Handling files of types that are not mainstream is limited. As a consequence, I cannot do 2/3 of applications I would want to do on my iPad. I need to use my PCs for them. I think in terms of actions on 100,000s files per type while Apple thinks that an action of more than 1 file at a time is already luxury. Needless to say, there are also basic GUI restrictions. Apple wants a simple GUI while the user might prefer more flexibility. Furthermore, I want more user separation and much more security management than Apple provides. During the first few months of my iPad, the battery information showed the very useful time spent since last charging and I used that several times per day. Afterwards, Apple removed this and introduced several battery statistics that tell me nothing so I never use it. Now, I have to manually log my time spent since last charging. During the first few months of my iPad, the battery lasted 11:50 indoors. Then Apple updated iOS and from the next day on, the battery lasted only 10:00 indoors. Since then, Apple has never fixed this bug or malicious intent of preventing a too good battery life better than the advertised 10:00. It is no surprise that Apple needs to spoil the battery information to hide the sudden decrement. Apple still thinks to know better than the enduser what he wants. --robert jasiek
I want to say good assessment. I think a lot of reviewers get paid by promoting the brand - and you are giving an objective assessment. As you said - what really is the use case for such an expensive device? Especially a device that another tech device can’t do better? So good job on highlighting those points as it gives a more balanced review I think.
It’s really interesting hearing different povs on the nanotexture. I saw it in store and it looked covered in fingerprints versus the non textured glass. Made me steer away from it.
Thank you, man! I was on the fence of going with a refurb M2 IPP or splurging on the M4 IPP but looks like M2 would probably be better and I can live without the improvements on the M4.
I’m using my iPad Pro 2nd generation 2017? And it has finally gotten a white burnout spot right above the home button but it’s not annoying! I was so excited when they announced the new iPad Pro 2024! But now I’m going to get a new 2022 6th generation M2 iPad Pro off of eBay! I just can’t justify buying the new iPad Pro because it’s not worth it and it’s not any better!
It flickers at 240hz so it’s pretty fast. It yeah I noticed reading text in my previous iPad was more comfortable. Good to see you commenting as always
I just purchased the m2 pro.. It is cheaper.. Still overkill fast.. Still thin but not super thin.. Good speaker. Maybe waiting for ipad pro m6 or m7 by then it is ipados 20. In the Manga dragon ball. Its like freeza in more perfect form.. 😁
Very relatable use cases and matter of fact opinions. I’m definitely more informed and I don’t feel like you wasted my time or tricked me into watching. I’m looking forward to more of your reviews.
Great video as always! Totally agree, it’s such a great product but so hard to think of use cases that can help you justify getting it. I also got a nice deal a couple years ago when I bought my M1 iPad Pro, and even being the tech loving nerd I am, I don’t think I’ll be feeling the need to update for at least a few more generations
@@consumertechwarehouse9381 wait really? Sorry no, nothing ever came so I just assumed you got busy or something, and was just waiting until it came to take a photo and thank you… I’ll ask my local post office and let you know if I find out anything! Too bad about the M2, let’s hope you find more uses to enjoy the new one (I personally love how easy it is to bring mine with me to work, to bed or anywhere, way easier than trying to carry a gaming laptop around lol)
wait what? sorry no, I assumed you got busy in the end and couldn't send it yet or something, and didn't want to pressure if you were busy so I was just waiting for it to arrive to take a photo and thank you... I'll check with my local post office and let you know if I find out anything. Sorry about the not so exciting ipad upgrade, let's hope you find more uses for it until you're glad you have it (personally I love how easy it is to take it with me to work, to bed or anywhere, way more convenient than trying to carry around my giant gaming laptop lol) (I replied earlier but my comment seems to have disappeared, so I'm doing it again just in case)
@autumn_inari nooo I shipped it out a while back. I was wondering why you didn’t reach out saying that you received it. Damn. Hopefully I can find the tracking. Let me look into it and I’ll email you.
Interesting review - I think that the M4 Max will be far more interesting on a Macbook Pro. Overall, it's hard to justify the price, especially if you don't use it as much as a phone or laptop or desktop.
I got the 11 inch 512gb, no case or pencil yet, was going to get a MacBook m3 pro but my reasoning for iPad is I own a gaming windows pc and an iPhone, so my use case is just the portability of using it in bed etc I want the keyboard in future and would be nice typing stuff but I mainly use it in bed and to play wild rift etc, the oled is also great, I don’t think a lot of things are optimised for the 11 m4 yet cause of aspect ratio or whatever but I’m happy
Yeah I see a case for you. I’m in a similar boat with gaming laptops and iPhones. Curious to know what you think of it after a few weeks and if it’s getting much use.
I appreciate your take on things. I have an iPad Air 5th Generation that I like to use on the go for basic activities like emails, social media, and small tasks. The new iPad's look very good, but the prices seem awfully high. I think Apple should put out 2 and 1 devices so you can have a MacBook with a touch screen.
u got me subscribed immediately when u mentioned that u distance ur self from video editing reviews. basically all sponsored reviewers on youtube talk like almost the entire video about video editing, editing app, export, etc. like the entire TH-cam population make video editing for youtube. no we are regularly people so review stuff about what regular person do on day to day basis! also please mention more about the trackpads how they are compared to a MacBook trackpad when u review laptops.
can you put a screen protector or a case with a built in screen protector on ipad pro screen with nano texture??? i have a M1 ipad pro in a full body supcase. i just got the ipad pro m4 512 cell but i did want the nano screen but unsure about the screen protector effectiveness on it !!!!
For about 10 years, mobile chips have been fast enough for casual or office use. If M4 was another 30 times faster then equalling my desktop with dGPU, I might run deep learning AI on it. I do not, however, have any need for intermediate speeds as I do not do video editing or 3D rendering.
I purchased an iPad Pro five days before they announced the new one, so for me it was a no brainer to return it and get the M4 Pro. Coming from the Samsung tabs, I was very pleased to hear that the new ones would be including an OLED screen.
Excellent comments on the new iPad Pro M4! I’m thinking of getting a new 2022 iPad Pro 11 M2. Then I can still use my current Apple Pencil & Magic Keyboard. (I can’t believe Apple has no reverse compatibility with these perfectly good accessories and the new M4 iPad Pro’s!)
The issue you were having with maximizing the TH-cam video seems to be in the software itself. If you hit the touch screen and then try clicking again, it may work. Sometimes it takes a few tries. This leads me to believe it’s a bug in the software that Apple has yet to address.
I’ve gone from the iPad 2 to the iPad 3, then the first Air, then the 9.7 Pro, then went to the 10.5 pro, then went though the 2018/2020/2022 iPad Pro 11”s, now this is my first 13”. I also have a 4070 Legion laptop. And I do very little to no video editing. I’m all games and wanting to watch content on the best screen there is!
The only good thing about this new models is that now older 2021, 2022 models will be much more cheaper in used market.I'll finally be able to afford an m1 ipad pro
The thing I think about the keyboard, Apple made it so heavy ones they could’ve made it lighter they could do just about anything they want but I had one of the golden cherries from my iPad Pro 11. I got the new 13 inch same exact model that you did, but if the keyboard is too late, it wants to tip over for all the time so if you get that viewing back a little bit it tips off and I think apples cages know that so they didn’t. They didn’t make it too late they made it probably as heavy as they had to, so wouldn’t tip over.
Yeah absolutely. But by the time the keyboard is on it’s no longer a thing and light device. And it still tips over. Later on in the video I cover that.
Love the way you’re swinging the iPad like it’s a piece of paper lololol I got a 13inch. And it’s so nice and big that I the price can be justified… tried so hard to hate it but it’s impossible.
I have the origami iPad Pro 10.5”. I was ready for an upgrade. So I went for it! Im sure I’ll have this new one for the next 10 years. I’ll try to convert my mom over to Apple by giving her my old one!
Performance on this m4 iPad is way better than the m1 one for gaming. I can play Genshin at max settings 120 fps with no stutter ever and the battery holds and it doesn’t get nearly as hot. The m1, I would do minimum graphics except 120fps and max resolution and would still get frame drops and slow loading. The OLED panel is just so much more efficient than the lcd one. But like… don’t buy this unless your an artist
Strange that the trackpad wouldn’t expand a YT video for you as it works for me. I haven’t come across anything that wasn’t clickable. The 2018+ models are all still good to go. I do wonder about the longevity of OLED and especially the nano-textured glass if people are writing/drawing on it every day. I use my iPad every day. I will likely not upgrade my Mac Mini and instead just plug my iPad into my monitor. I realise I’m being charged a hefty premium for having both a basic laptop of sorts and a touchscreen, but no laptop compares when it comes to studying, for example. The ability to write and scribble on PDFs is a significant timesaver. Typing is quite clunky in comparison. Of course for work, many will need a full desktop, so a laptop is the way to go - and we await to see how Apple changes the workflow with iPadOS 18.
PWM is terrible, making this ipad a bad choice for reading. I don't understand why the frequency is so low? Couldn't Apple have bumped the PWM frequency to > 400 Hz like Huawei does with its phones?
I’ll be keeping my M2 model for a while because it’s not a night and day difference to begin with. M4 is better, but by how much? And the nano glass takes away from the beauty of the screen. Save the $$$ and get an M2
I said this in a previous comment. I traded in my m2 and still had to pay like $800 for the new one. If I didn’t trade in my m2, I would have just returned both of these.
Well, if you don't "work" on an iPad, get the standard iPad for $349 (or the iPad Air for $599) plus a $20 case which is actually great deal. Apple now sells iPads from $350 to $3,500. There is now an iPad for everyone, depending how much power, storage, screen and pencil you want or need. And somebody who does not want a tablet will buy a laptop anyway 😀
I appreciate the in-depth review of the product, but I think your title was a little click-baity… Most of the negative aspects that you brought up have been mentioned by many other tech reviewers .
With the way iPadOS is right now, you are 100% right that it is too expensive. There is nothing that can fully utilize the power of these new iPad Pros. Even the M1 iPadPro is still more power than people need for anything on iPadOS. Apple needs to announce something at WWDC to make this device worth the price. If they had a dual boot or hybrid OS to support Mac Apps then this thing would be perfect. It would fly off the shelves like hot cakes and I would order one right away. But as it stands its not really offering anything good enough to justify its price versus just getting an older M1 iPadPro for a fraction of the price.
Tries samsung s9 oled screen, got headacheaches because of pwm on oled. tries ipad pro got headaches because of temporal dithering on ips screen. Got ipad 10th ….no headaches. No pwm and no temporal dithering
I just upgraded to the M4 11inch… but it’s going back. Sure, the OLED screen is great, for lots of things - nice blacks, light parts shine, and some videos and photos look amazing. BUT, two things really annoy me, to the point I find them unacceptable. Firstly, the sound is actually slightly worse than on my 2018 iPad Pro - sounds like tiny speakers inside a tin can (a bit echoey and a bit muffled)… probably because they had to squeeze the speakers into a thinner body (which nobody asked for). Secondly, as a photographer, I don’t appreciate the stupidly rounded corners to the display… apart from losing a small bit of corner real estate, a standard full-frame DSLR photo now clips at every corner as it overlaps the curve - no more clean rectangular images. This is less “pro”… no pro photographer, videographer or designer needs curved corners - it makes zero sense. It was just about okay on the previous models (pro and not pro), but this is just stupid and annoying. Lastly, the extra thinness, once in a case, is irrelevant… and the weight difference is minimal… better to have left it the same (perfectly fine) thickness and squeezed in a larger battery (I can say that I don’t seem to be getting great battery life, but can’t be sure it’s worse than before). I do not know why all the reviews I’ve read ignore the corners issue - this is supposed to be a “pro” device, and those are anything but pro - or is it just me? BTW, the Magic Keyboard is great (if stupidly expensive), but removing the tablet when you want a tablet and not a laptop is too fiddly, especially if you want to transfer it into a case for protection… better to buy a MacBook Air. The MacBook Pro makes all the right design choices for professional users… the iPad Pro does the opposite.
I got used to it when I had the rog phone. Especially since it has those triggers on top. I found it was a pain to carry around both a controller and an iPad.
my 2018 pro is doing just fine, couldn't afford to upgrade this
My biggest mistake was trading in my 2022 version for only $520 then still having to pay $800 for this. I would have returned them both otherwise
My 2018 11” iPad Pro is kicking butt and still running like a champ. Incredible!
@@consumertechwarehouse9381 Really? Then Im glad I didn't pull the trigger on that one.
I only got it because of the brighter display I could care less about the OLED tech
It's not a wise move tbh no one disagrees but the 2018 maybe it's a good idea@consumertechwarehouse9381
Thank you so much for your review! It was definitely more unique and answered questions that others haven't asked. I feel like most review videos are just repetitions of what was discussed when the M4 was announced. I had no idea about flicker. I recently purchased the M4 (haven't opened it yet) but now I am a bit concerned about this oled phenomena. I'll be researching more about it. Thanks again!
This is such a refreshing perspective. good video!
Yeah, as an artist, I’m already sold on the iPad Pro. Since 2018, it’s replaced my laptop as my main content creation & media consumption device. However, your video did convince me to go with the standard screen over the nano texture one. 👍🏼
Unless you get the 1 TB or 2 TB model, this is honestly a worse upgrade to a 2018 or 2020 model than the M2 iPad Pro. Cutbacks on the 256/512 GB model:
-The chip is binned so you lose one of the performance cores
-They now use one storage chip instead of two, so your storage speed is significantly slower. This has a real impact in that these models can’t do ProRes @ 4k30fps
Issues that apply to all M4 models compared to upgrading to an M2:
-You lose an ultrawide camera and have no other camera upgrades. The camera hardware is just worse than the last 3 models. Software should make up for it with all that AI performance, but it’s still kinda weird to see this cut. I’d rather lose the lidar.
-If you own any current iPad accessories, you gotta throw them out for the new ones as there is no backwards or forwards compatibility between this iPad and its accessories and the previous versions.
For the privilege of all the compromises, you get to pay $200 more and that’s if you compare new prices. Obviously you will see M2 iPads on fire sales now. The M1 iPad Air is already at $400 on Amazon. Is all of this worth that tandem OLED display? On a tablet? To be fair, I haven’t seen it in person, so maybe. But to me it just seems difficult to justify all of this.
The views on the nanoglass reflections indoors and PWM are very helpful and your price comment is to the point. Could you please also show the nanoglass reflections outdoors?
The point you make about the nano glass coating is true and very important. I saw a TH-camr talking about how he has the Apple Studio display with this same nano texture glass and he showed how text appears a bit blurry with 'scattered' non-crisp lines. I'm so glad I watched that video before ordering my new M4 iPad Pro because I was about to order it with the nano texture, but I do a lot of reading on my iPad: news articles, ChatGPT 4 output text, e-books, etc., so text quality is vital. I then ordered it with "standard glass" and I am super happy with this purchase!!
To be 100% honest, setting aside all the hype when new models are released, I did a careful comparison of this new OLED display side by side with my M1 iPad Pro with its mini-LED display ... and the image quality and crispness is almost identical. I viewed the exact same HD Dolby Vision movies side by side on the exact same image frame, etc., and only when I looked super closely was I able to see a very slight difference in resolution quality. For example, in Avatar - Way of Water ... I could notice a very slight improvement in detail like jewelry or hair braids, but nothing significant. So anyone who already owns an M1 or M2 iPad Pro should not feel like they are missing out on image quality ... the mini LED screens are already excellent! (and don't worry about the so-called 'blooming' issue ... white text on a solid black background looks pretty much identical on both the new OLED display side-by-side with the M1's mini-LED display.
But the new keyboard and Pro Pen are both fantastic, and of course the hardware specs for people using Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for iPad ... and to future proof for new Ai capability ... these are the things that set this new iPad Pro apart from previous models.
I agree with you 100% the OLED iPad Pro is the most overrated product I have seen since 2001 when they introduced the Segway. At that time they told people everybody would be using them for transportation. Some of the geniuses even said it would be more important than the Internet. Steve Job is quoted, as saying, as important as the PC. Which a year later, he said, the product actually sucked. Here we are 23 years later and the only people using them are overweight mall cops. Now with the introduction of Amazon, they too will be obsolete very shortly.
I paid over $1300 to Apple for the 11 inch iPad Pro with the OLED Display, which included the $229 Logitech keyboard case.
When the iPad 11 arrived on May 15, I immediately compared it side-by-side to my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro with 256 GB and retina display. After using them both side-by-side for three days indoors and outside in bright sunlight, I could honestly not tell the difference between either of them in display quality. Initially, after first turning them both on, I actually had to look at the box to make sure it was the model with the OLED display. The only way I could really tell the difference was because mine has a white bezel. so yesterday May 18th I put the iPad 11 back into its nice little box and sent it off to Apple for a full refund.
I was actually thinking of purchasing the 13 inch iPad Air to replace my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro but after visiting Apple‘s website and using the compare models feature, I decided against it, and here are the reasons why.
1 : Apple decided to cripple the iPad Air by removing promotion, which means it will only refresh at 60 Hz instead of 120 Hz like my 7 year old 10.5 inch iPad Pro has.
2 : It would be a quarter pound heavier need I say more.
3 : Apple decided as a marketing ploy, to remove 2 speakers, and one microphone as incentive to jump to the next higher and model. My 7 year old iPad has 4 speakers and two microphones.
4 : My 7 year old iPad has promotion which is quite important to stop rubberbanding affect and anything that requires 120 Hz for speed games, etc.
5 : I decided to use my $1300 to buy some Apple stock this way for a change they could pay me when all the suckers run out and buy this overhyped nonsense.
One last thing I noticed after you spend over $1,300 / $ 2,800 they do not even include the 36 W charger only a 20 W ,but conveniently sell it on their website $49.99 they even stopped, including the 2 stupid stickers claiming environmental reasons, but you can get them in the store after purchasing an iPad. Apparently that does not affect the environment.
Also, Apple has cut a deal with logictech to supply their keyboard exclusively for the first month at an inflated price of $229 when it should cost $139 on Amazon but for now the only place you can purchase it is from Apple.
Thanks, Timmy but no deal.
So expensive I honestly don't see the point in upgrading from previous ipad pro
This is the best review on the net
Can you do a test to compare the OLED vs mini LED screen looks like side by side with the lights turned on and off?
Thanks for the advice I’ve been using the 2017 iPad Pro 2nd gen and I was waiting for the new one but not anymore! so I’m gonna buy the 2022 6th gen M2 12.9 off EBay?
ordered the ipad pro m4 13 and i love it perfect for my use case
Excellent review and useful perspective, thank you
Love your points, specially the last seconds about your gadgets, do you prefer s24u over iphone 15pm? tell me im with 15pm, just bored
If you’re bored give it a shot. It’s a great phone once you spend the time setting it up. I did a video on it. Also I would swap out all the Samsung apps with google. Like the keyboard, calendar, etc.
How well does this work as a remote option to play console games using PS or Xbox Remote play?
Would you suggest an 11" M4 iPad Pro, or a M1 12.9" iPad pro? I can save like $450 by going with the M1. I am wondering if I did go with the M4, would I miss the larger screen?
“What other reviewers aren’t saying” - proceeds to repeat for 15min what other reviewers are saying
lol this title hasn’t aged well in just a few days. I posted this before the flood of other iPad videos came out
Can you do me a favor?
I can’t find anyone who has both the 256gb and 1T iPad m4 13 inch. Can you do a battery life test of it? I want to see if the 256gb model last longer due to having 1 less performance CPU core?
I subscribed in hopes of seeing you post this test.
Yes the nano glass is annoying. Good video
I love matte displays and this nano is similar except for the glare bezels but there are other reasons why I do not buy a new iPad, starting from the extremely exaggerated price and going to Apple's disrespect of users not doing things the Apple way.
@@NoName-zf6nrWhat do you mean by that last part
@@terribletimes902 Examples of Apple's disrespect of users are as follows.
I do not want to use iCloud so Apple punishes me by 1) 1 to 6 popups per day requesting my confirmation to the iCloud terms and 2) disabling WLAN updates of iPadOS (or forcing unwanted agreement to the iCloud terms). There is only the option "Not Now" instead of "Never". I have had to click "Not Now" thousands of times now. Popups also occur at random times. All this wastes my time and costs my nerves.
The iCloud terms violate regular EU and German laws, basic and human rights, and each application of the iCloud terms by Apple would violate the German criminal code, and my acceptance of the iCloud terms would violate data protection laws imposing fines on me for not data protecting my customers. This is so because the iCloud terms, if read carefully, "grant" Apple the right to use all my cloud files and all my device-local files and spread them to anybody in the world for arbitrary use.
I do not want to use speech recognition but if accidentally I press the related virtual keyboard button, there is only the option "Not Now" instead of "Never".
In various settings, I want to disable all options but there is no "Disable All" button. Instead, I have to click each option individually.
During the first years, the Walled Garden and missing file management was even very much worse than now. Apple wants me to buy only Apple devices so the Walled Garden still, for example, prevents exporting Safari bookmarks to an HTML file, which then I could import in other browsers on my Windows computers. One either has to pay €40 for an app like iMazing, or copy and paste each bookmark individually.
I set up SMB to share files via the app Files to a Windows PC. If I use LAN, it works. If, however, I want to use WLAN, a bug can occur so that then either a) all my selected files on my iPad are lost or b) I have to circumvent the bug by then confirming each file to be transferred individually. If hundreds of thousands of files had been selected, this would take weeks. Hence, naturally the user wants to be flexible and use LAN or WLAN but Apple wants the user to use only one method.
During 8 1/2 years of using my iPad, video streaming has always had 1 or 2 major, frequent bugs. Apple's quality control refuses to fix such bugs quickly and to avoid introducing new bugs on fixing previous bugs.
Powerful file management does not exist. Handling files of types that are not mainstream is limited. As a consequence, I cannot do 2/3 of applications I would want to do on my iPad. I need to use my PCs for them. I think in terms of actions on 100,000s files per type while Apple thinks that an action of more than 1 file at a time is already luxury.
Needless to say, there are also basic GUI restrictions. Apple wants a simple GUI while the user might prefer more flexibility. Furthermore, I want more user separation and much more security management than Apple provides.
During the first few months of my iPad, the battery information showed the very useful time spent since last charging and I used that several times per day. Afterwards, Apple removed this and introduced several battery statistics that tell me nothing so I never use it. Now, I have to manually log my time spent since last charging.
During the first few months of my iPad, the battery lasted 11:50 indoors. Then Apple updated iOS and from the next day on, the battery lasted only 10:00 indoors. Since then, Apple has never fixed this bug or malicious intent of preventing a too good battery life better than the advertised 10:00. It is no surprise that Apple needs to spoil the battery information to hide the sudden decrement.
Apple still thinks to know better than the enduser what he wants. --robert jasiek
@@terribletimes902 My detailed reply to you was removed and my first short notice about this removal has also been removed. --robert jasiek
I want to say good assessment. I think a lot of reviewers get paid by promoting the brand - and you are giving an objective assessment. As you said - what really is the use case for such an expensive device? Especially a device that another tech device can’t do better? So good job on highlighting those points as it gives a more balanced review I think.
Thank you for this video I changed Ming on going from m1 to this one.
Great video
Thanks!
It’s really interesting hearing different povs on the nanotexture. I saw it in store and it looked covered in fingerprints versus the non textured glass. Made me steer away from it.
You must be joking. Fingerprints are worse on the glossy screen.
i feel the exact same way. great video!
Nano texture only makes sense for people working outside constantly, however it doesn’t make sense that apple made it so expensive
For artists that use tools like Procreate, the Nano texture for them as well as it seems them a better paper feel compared to the standard screen.
@@michaelcobbin very true. You could also get a screen protector that has that property (paper like)
I've heard that many artists still prefer a screen cover with a paper feel as the nano textured screen is an inferior experience.
I find myself wanting to like your video more than once. There should be a button. 100000%%% Thumbs up!!!!
That’s the best thing someone can say about a video. Thanks so much.
Thank you, man! I was on the fence of going with a refurb M2 IPP or splurging on the M4 IPP but looks like M2 would probably be better and I can live without the improvements on the M4.
I’m using my iPad Pro 2nd generation 2017? And it has finally gotten a white burnout spot right above the home button but it’s not annoying! I was so excited when they announced the new iPad Pro 2024! But now I’m going to get a new 2022 6th generation M2 iPad Pro off of eBay! I just can’t justify buying the new iPad Pro because it’s not worth it and it’s not any better!
I won’t switch my iPad Pro 2021 because of the screen flicker 😊, might even buy the 2022 M2 model instead when the time comes to upgrade.
It flickers at 240hz so it’s pretty fast. It yeah I noticed reading text in my previous iPad was more comfortable. Good to see you commenting as always
I just purchased the m2 pro.. It is cheaper.. Still overkill fast.. Still thin but not super thin.. Good speaker. Maybe waiting for ipad pro m6 or m7 by then it is ipados 20. In the Manga dragon ball. Its like freeza in more perfect form.. 😁
I purchased a nano textured 2tb 13 inch for my mom and I, and she just told me she wants the purple one instead! Uhh
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Very relatable use cases and matter of fact opinions. I’m definitely more informed and I don’t feel like you wasted my time or tricked me into watching. I’m looking forward to more of your reviews.
Very honest review, thanks!
Great video as always!
Totally agree, it’s such a great product but so hard to think of use cases that can help you justify getting it.
I also got a nice deal a couple years ago when I bought my M1 iPad Pro, and even being the tech loving nerd I am, I don’t think I’ll be feeling the need to update for at least a few more generations
Hey! Did you ever get the mouse? I shipped it! But yeah. I traded in my m2 and really wish I didn’t. I would have just returned these.
@@consumertechwarehouse9381 wait really? Sorry no, nothing ever came so I just assumed you got busy or something, and was just waiting until it came to take a photo and thank you… I’ll ask my local post office and let you know if I find out anything! Too bad about the M2, let’s hope you find more uses to enjoy the new one (I personally love how easy it is to bring mine with me to work, to bed or anywhere, way easier than trying to carry a gaming laptop around lol)
wait what? sorry no, I assumed you got busy in the end and couldn't send it yet or something, and didn't want to pressure if you were busy so I was just waiting for it to arrive to take a photo and thank you... I'll check with my local post office and let you know if I find out anything.
Sorry about the not so exciting ipad upgrade, let's hope you find more uses for it until you're glad you have it (personally I love how easy it is to take it with me to work, to bed or anywhere, way more convenient than trying to carry around my giant gaming laptop lol)
(I replied earlier but my comment seems to have disappeared, so I'm doing it again just in case)
@autumn_inari nooo I shipped it out a while back. I was wondering why you didn’t reach out saying that you received it. Damn. Hopefully I can find the tracking. Let me look into it and I’ll email you.
@@consumertechwarehouse9381 Thanks! and sorry for all the hassle!
Sure, I only got it because I needed a newer iPad for notes.
Interesting review - I think that the M4 Max will be far more interesting on a Macbook Pro.
Overall, it's hard to justify the price, especially if you don't use it as much as a phone or laptop or desktop.
Good review 👍 , Thank you
Finally, somebody telling the truth about matte coating & how it ruins clarity, depth, sharpness, & black levels & saturation.
I'm still rocking my iPad mini 5
Hehe, iPad Mini 4 here:)
Thank you. somebody who actually Gives. a honest review👍
I got the 11 inch 512gb, no case or pencil yet, was going to get a MacBook m3 pro but my reasoning for iPad is I own a gaming windows pc and an iPhone, so my use case is just the portability of using it in bed etc I want the keyboard in future and would be nice typing stuff but I mainly use it in bed and to play wild rift etc, the oled is also great, I don’t think a lot of things are optimised for the 11 m4 yet cause of aspect ratio or whatever but I’m happy
Yeah I see a case for you. I’m in a similar boat with gaming laptops and iPhones. Curious to know what you think of it after a few weeks and if it’s getting much use.
Great & honest review :)
This is a superb take on this m4 iPad Pro! Regarding the trackpad: you can use same gestures as on the screen and maximize YT vids.
I appreciate your take on things. I have an iPad Air 5th Generation that I like to use on the go for basic activities like emails, social media, and small tasks. The new iPad's look very good, but the prices seem awfully high. I think Apple should put out 2 and 1 devices so you can have a MacBook with a touch screen.
Yeah I saw the new Huawei MateBook with is touch screen, either want a MacBook Air with touchscreen or iPad Pro can switch between pados and macOS
u got me subscribed immediately when u mentioned that u distance ur self from video editing reviews.
basically all sponsored reviewers on youtube talk like almost the entire video about video editing, editing app, export, etc. like the entire TH-cam population make video editing for youtube.
no we are regularly people so review stuff about what regular person do on day to day basis!
also please mention more about the trackpads how they are compared to a MacBook trackpad when u review laptops.
can you put a screen protector or a case with a built in screen protector on ipad pro screen with nano texture???
i have a M1 ipad pro in a full body supcase. i just got the ipad pro m4 512 cell but i did want the nano screen but unsure about the screen protector effectiveness on it !!!!
My new 11’ M4 iPad Pro is incredibly fast. I just don’t know what to do with all this power.
For about 10 years, mobile chips have been fast enough for casual or office use. If M4 was another 30 times faster then equalling my desktop with dGPU, I might run deep learning AI on it. I do not, however, have any need for intermediate speeds as I do not do video editing or 3D rendering.
The 11 iPad is better if your gonna use it on the coach or bed
I purchased an iPad Pro five days before they announced the new one, so for me it was a no brainer to return it and get the M4 Pro. Coming from the Samsung tabs, I was very pleased to hear that the new ones would be including an OLED screen.
Excellent comments on the new iPad Pro M4! I’m thinking of getting a new 2022 iPad Pro 11 M2. Then I can still use my current Apple Pencil & Magic Keyboard. (I can’t believe Apple has no reverse compatibility with these perfectly good accessories and the new M4 iPad Pro’s!)
The issue you were having with maximizing the TH-cam video seems to be in the software itself. If you hit the touch screen and then try clicking again, it may work. Sometimes it takes a few tries. This leads me to believe it’s a bug in the software that Apple has yet to address.
Confirmed.
I’ve gone from the iPad 2 to the iPad 3, then the first Air, then the 9.7 Pro, then went to the 10.5 pro, then went though the 2018/2020/2022 iPad Pro 11”s, now this is my first 13”. I also have a 4070 Legion laptop. And I do very little to no video editing. I’m all games and wanting to watch content on the best screen there is!
Let me know is what you think. We have a similar pattern. Except for the legion, I went with MSI.
The only good thing about this new models is that now older 2021, 2022 models will be much more cheaper in used market.I'll finally be able to afford an m1 ipad pro
Agreed!!
I don’t know why Apple think we med a new iPad my M1 12.9 pro still work great and I won’t upgrade any time soon
Cause mini LED is too dim
The thing I think about the keyboard, Apple made it so heavy ones they could’ve made it lighter they could do just about anything they want but I had one of the golden cherries from my iPad Pro 11. I got the new 13 inch same exact model that you did, but if the keyboard is too late, it wants to tip over for all the time so if you get that viewing back a little bit it tips off and I think apples cages know that so they didn’t. They didn’t make it too late they made it probably as heavy as they had to, so wouldn’t tip over.
Yeah absolutely. But by the time the keyboard is on it’s no longer a thing and light device. And it still tips over. Later on in the video I cover that.
I hope you are returning them after playing with them😂
best review, real honest
Love the way you’re swinging the iPad like it’s a piece of paper lololol I got a 13inch. And it’s so nice and big that I the price can be justified… tried so hard to hate it but it’s impossible.
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BEST REVIEW EVER🎉🎉🎉
That the battery life is krap vs older models with slower processors in them also the oled drains the battery like it’s nothing!!!
I have the origami iPad Pro 10.5”. I was ready for an upgrade. So I went for it! Im sure I’ll have this new one for the next 10 years. I’ll try to convert my mom over to Apple by giving her my old one!
You are spot on. It is of course very well marketed as always with Apple. Good video. Got subscribed for more. :-)
Why are you saying Extrdra
aweesomee vid bro
Honestly the 2020 ipad pro was probably best ipad that you don’t need upgrade… even now.
Performance on this m4 iPad is way better than the m1 one for gaming. I can play Genshin at max settings 120 fps with no stutter ever and the battery holds and it doesn’t get nearly as hot. The m1, I would do minimum graphics except 120fps and max resolution and would still get frame drops and slow loading. The OLED panel is just so much more efficient than the lcd one.
But like… don’t buy this unless your an artist
Strange that the trackpad wouldn’t expand a YT video for you as it works for me. I haven’t come across anything that wasn’t clickable.
The 2018+ models are all still good to go. I do wonder about the longevity of OLED and especially the nano-textured glass if people are writing/drawing on it every day.
I use my iPad every day. I will likely not upgrade my Mac Mini and instead just plug my iPad into my monitor. I realise I’m being charged a hefty premium for having both a basic laptop of sorts and a touchscreen, but no laptop compares when it comes to studying, for example. The ability to write and scribble on PDFs is a significant timesaver. Typing is quite clunky in comparison.
Of course for work, many will need a full desktop, so a laptop is the way to go - and we await to see how Apple changes the workflow with iPadOS 18.
PWM is terrible, making this ipad a bad choice for reading. I don't understand why the frequency is so low? Couldn't Apple have bumped the PWM frequency to > 400 Hz like Huawei does with its phones?
Yes I’m keeping my m1 2021 model, when the time comes for upgrade will choose the M2 model from 2022.
I’ll be keeping my M2 model for a while because it’s not a night and day difference to begin with. M4 is better, but by how much? And the nano glass takes away from the beauty of the screen. Save the $$$ and get an M2
I said this in a previous comment. I traded in my m2 and still had to pay like $800 for the new one. If I didn’t trade in my m2, I would have just returned both of these.
Thanks for the review
Well, if you don't "work" on an iPad, get the standard iPad for $349 (or the iPad Air for $599) plus a $20 case which is actually great deal. Apple now sells iPads from $350 to $3,500. There is now an iPad for everyone, depending how much power, storage, screen and pencil you want or need. And somebody who does not want a tablet will buy a laptop anyway 😀
I appreciate the in-depth review of the product, but I think your title was a little click-baity…
Most of the negative aspects that you brought up have been mentioned by many other tech reviewers .
For one with only 12k subscribers; that’s an expensive purchase
🤣 TH-cam doesn’t pay my bills. That’s why I don’t need to care what I say on camera
Yea $2500 for a iPad set up is insane. I love apple but there's no justifiable reason for this, i'll stick with the last generation for now.
With the way iPadOS is right now, you are 100% right that it is too expensive. There is nothing that can fully utilize the power of these new iPad Pros. Even the M1 iPadPro is still more power than people need for anything on iPadOS. Apple needs to announce something at WWDC to make this device worth the price. If they had a dual boot or hybrid OS to support Mac Apps then this thing would be perfect. It would fly off the shelves like hot cakes and I would order one right away. But as it stands its not really offering anything good enough to justify its price versus just getting an older M1 iPadPro for a fraction of the price.
Tries samsung s9 oled screen, got headacheaches because of pwm on oled. tries ipad pro got headaches because of temporal dithering on ips screen.
Got ipad 10th ….no headaches. No pwm and no temporal dithering
I hope you return what you don’t need
I might return both and buy a used m2 and save the &$$
if you alt tab out of apps do they lose data … ipad os is rubbish, they can’t handle app switching
I switched from gmail to safari then to TH-cam. Then gmail closed. It’s a shame you have to spend so much extra to get 16gb of ram.
@@consumertechwarehouse9381 it's crazy and I don't even trust the 16gb can be relied on. ipads need to use swap space to fix this problem
I just upgraded to the M4 11inch… but it’s going back. Sure, the OLED screen is great, for lots of things - nice blacks, light parts shine, and some videos and photos look amazing. BUT, two things really annoy me, to the point I find them unacceptable. Firstly, the sound is actually slightly worse than on my 2018 iPad Pro - sounds like tiny speakers inside a tin can (a bit echoey and a bit muffled)… probably because they had to squeeze the speakers into a thinner body (which nobody asked for). Secondly, as a photographer, I don’t appreciate the stupidly rounded corners to the display… apart from losing a small bit of corner real estate, a standard full-frame DSLR photo now clips at every corner as it overlaps the curve - no more clean rectangular images. This is less “pro”… no pro photographer, videographer or designer needs curved corners - it makes zero sense. It was just about okay on the previous models (pro and not pro), but this is just stupid and annoying. Lastly, the extra thinness, once in a case, is irrelevant… and the weight difference is minimal… better to have left it the same (perfectly fine) thickness and squeezed in a larger battery (I can say that I don’t seem to be getting great battery life, but can’t be sure it’s worse than before). I do not know why all the reviews I’ve read ignore the corners issue - this is supposed to be a “pro” device, and those are anything but pro - or is it just me? BTW, the Magic Keyboard is great (if stupidly expensive), but removing the tablet when you want a tablet and not a laptop is too fiddly, especially if you want to transfer it into a case for protection… better to buy a MacBook Air. The MacBook Pro makes all the right design choices for professional users… the iPad Pro does the opposite.
Who games on an iPad without a controller? As far as call of duty
I got used to it when I had the rog phone. Especially since it has those triggers on top. I found it was a pain to carry around both a controller and an iPad.
looks gross & oily, but matte lovers say but it "reduces reflections!", me: "at the expense of everything else dumb ass."
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I compared both in store and nano is better by a mile
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But people already talk about all of this so u just making another same video with just 1 n 2 new info
This fella is clueless
DONT GET THE NANO SCREEN GUYS