I know you have more questions.. "How do I XYZ with either scanner" Post it as a reply here and I will do my best! There is a LOT to deal with here. LOL
I have a Vag-com (VCDS) cable that I bought twenty years ago when they first came out. It is the serial model. I bought it to analyze my 92 Corrado SLC and got the special cable that converts the OBD connector to two wires that connect to ports under the shift housing. I can't count the number of VWs and Audis I have used my Vag-com on over the years. It was made before Ross Tech thought of imposing a vehicle limit. I still use it, even just today on our mk7 Alltrack, but I previously had to get a serial to USB converter so I could use a modern notebook rather than an old PC with a serial port. I have been driving VWs since 1973 and I divide them into two periods - before Vag-com and after Vag-com. Everything became so much easier after we got a tool that told us what was wrong with of VWs. This video by the Humble Mechanic has made one thing clear - that the security being imposed by mk8 VWs means VW is trying to turn the clock back to the bad pre Vag-com era. But I'm not going back! So this video taught me the newest VW I will be buying is a mk7.
I have the old Vag-Com Serial model as well. So, were there any challenges with using a serial to USB converter at all? I still have an old Dell laptop for this but it's really, really old and prefer to use a new laptop with USB (possibly even "USB-Type C"
@@garyrds I have an old Acer notebook that is at least 15 years old with Windows XP. The only thing I use it for is with my vag-com cable. I got the usb-serial dongle because it doesn't have serial. I had to experiment to figure out which USB port I had to use. I marked that port VC so I plug into the correct USB port. My other problem is the battery only lasts 10 minutes so I have to plug in the computer. I have newer notebooks, but I still use that old Acer for VW/Audi diagnostics.
@@garyrds I should add, when you plug the USB-Serial adapter in a USB port for the first time, it will set a new com port (usually in consecutive order). So let's say you have 3 usb ports, whichever one you plug it in first, will get COM4 (for example), the second usb you plug it in for the first time will get COM5 and so on.
After having both, obdeleven is good for glovebox, full system scanning, and very light duty stuff (you won't learn much about coding or anything with obdeleven). VCDS is heavy duty, you can do everything possible on vcds, all of its features will work almost every time, it's super consistent, very detailed, way more support. Vcds is preferred, more consistent, works better in my opinion (only on computer). Obdeleven has a fat superior wireless/app performance, is much more portable, but isn't as consistent and not nearly as in depth. In a perfect world you would have VCDS for majority of stuff, obdeleven for on the go and possibly do quick little adaptations like brake assist on mk6 r (though obdeleven adaptations don't show you what it's doing so if it messes up you have no clue what it changed and how to change it back).
I have 3 Audis A4 (2008, 2011 and 2012). Mechanic swapped engine on 2008 from BPG to BWT and not sure it’s kosher. Having engine code issues. Rebuilt engine on 2012 and running great and about to rebuild engine on 2011. I think I’ll be better of with the VCDS system but don’t know how to use it. Is there a course one can take for this?
I've had VCDS (VAG-COM) for probably the past 15 years and, while expensive, is my go to. I have even scanned/tweaked other's cars for a small price (decent beer)
@@mesmaayan I haven't gotten support myself but I've heard that ross tech is pretty great when it comes to support and documentation. There's also tons of videos and what not online. Probably an Udemy course or something on how to use vcds out there somewhere. Just posting on a forum and getting to talk to others with more experience can be insanely useful as well.
I went with the VCDS because we used one at work. We had a B8 Passat from Germany with prototype software in the brake and engine controllers. Not everything worked (Ross Tech was yelling at our 'tuner'), but it fixed what we needed to fix that regular scan tools couldn't. So I went with it when I got my 7.5 Golf R. Also, I can learn new German words when I use it.
I’ve used OBDEleven since early 2015 or so, and it wasn’t released publicly, or should I say in bulk. I had to wait over a month to receive it from its country of origin. I’m grandfathered into the lifetime Pro subscription. It has advanced a lot since it’s release. When I’m working on cars, I use OBDEleven more than VCDS for basic stuff like pulling codes and simple coding and basic settings and what not. It’s rare that I need VCDS to come out honestly. I currently have a B5.5 Passat GLS 4Motion Manual, a 12 GLI, and a B8 Passat SEL Premuim. OBDEleven works on all perfectly. I’m extremely content with it and for basic enthusiasts, or people who are light to mid range mechanics on VWs. It’s a great back up and inexpensive option in my opinion. Excellent video Charles. ✌️
@@guitariste47 no scanner in the world can tell you what the problem is but pulling the code will give you a place to start. Sometimes it’s simple sometimes not.
I wish i got the pro upgrade b4 it went to subscription. I did stack about 3500 credits when you could watch adds to earn them so im set for a few years
Yes same here. The subscription is a scam (today id buy a carly obd reader) I was lucky to earn lots of credits back when you could watch commericals to get them from obd11
I had the gen1 with the pro version, if i get the new one will I still keep my pro subscription on it? Just making sure my gen1 is getting way too slow
I have been using both Ross Tech VCDS and OBDeleven Pro for about five years with my 2007 Audi TT Roadster and my 2015 Tiguan. Both systems have their merits, however there are some key differences that users should be aware of - 1.) Adaptations and Basic Settings - VCDS is the hands-down, "go to" system for fault codes, full diagnostics, and running Adaptations and Basic setting and code changes. There's simply nothing VCDS can't do when it comes to OBD diagnostics. Unfortunately, OBDeleven doesn't have all the Basic Settings/Adaptations so to me that a big deal in terms of price vs value. For example, while OBDeleven can read the Roof Flap fault codes of a Audi TT Roadster, it can't run the Adaption needed when the roof flap servo is replaced. VCDS can do both. 2.) Internet vs Stand Alone - The OBDeleven App is easy and convenient to use on a smartphone but if you don't have a cellular or internet connection, it won't work. Period. This may be an issue for those who live in areas where cellular/internet access may not be reliable or who may end up in remote areas. VCDS on the other hand, connects directly to the vehicle via a laptop (PC). Internet access is not required at all. 3.) Customer Support - Ross Tech has a ton of customer support including a Wiki with a massive list of DTCs and their Forum if you need help with a problem. Consider that Uwe Ross started VCDS back in 1999 and OBDeleven only came to the market about 6-years ago. OBDeleven has a Forum too, but it's pretty clear they're just a software company (VoltasIT) and not an automotive diagnostic company like VCDS since it's generally the Forum members, not the VoltasIT/OBDeleven team, providing specific VAG vehicle model advice. This is one reason why you will find dozens of VCDS how-to videos and almost none from VoltasIT/OBDeleven and why so many OBDeleven users have to run Google searches to figure out how to use it and what faults codes actually mean. Again, Ross Tech offers all this. 4.) Long Code Tweaking - One of the most popular features of both systems is being able to get into the VAG software and change factory settings. VCDS only provides the ability to make long code changes which can be a bit intimidating if you don't know what you're doing. OBDeleven on the other hand, offers One Touch Apps which make this very easy to do. It will cost you a certain number of credits, but if the App doesn't work, there's no charge. Just remember not all vehicles have the same features; a 2005 Golf will not have the same software features as a 2015 Golf. Bottom line - do your homework and figure out what works best for your needs. Don't let price sway you, but don't spend more than you really need to either.
Great write up! I agree with everything you said. I wish the two companies would combine. I purchased VCDS in about 2005. It was used on a 1998 Vw tdi Jetta. VCDS is so powerful you do need additional training to learn how to use it. I was not given a manual for VCDS. I rolled my Jetta in 2017. The VCDS cable was destroyed. They want me to buy everything all over again. 600 dollars and also a PC to run VCDS on? I already have a new phone. Why buy additional stuff that just sits? I considered buy VCDS again but having to buy a PC to use it pushes the idea over the edge. If you are mechanic then buy VCDS. If you have a job and a life buy OBDeleven. The auto mechanics should absolutely have VCDS and know how to use it. They may have it, but I can almost guarantee they do not know how to use it fully. I spent 200 dollars on VCDS and used it twice. I also purchased a 1,700 laptop to run Vagcom on. So almost 2,000 dollars for 2 uses. 1,000 dollars per use. It has been 17 years since I first used vagcom and even now it is limited in its usage on a phone. I called Ross Tech. They told me I need a PC to get full usability of VCDS. They have no plans to make the program phone fully functional. This is not acceptable. Technology moves forward. They are not moving forward with technology. When I purchased VCDS it was the best tool for diagnosing your car. It was expensive but there was nothing else. I thought OBDeleven would light a fire under Ross Tech. No. The writing is on the wall. OBDeleven is the future. The smart thing to do is buy OBDELEVEN and then a find a mechanic that has and actually knows how to use VCDS. When you want to modify your car spend your money and go to the smart mechanic.
What about just permanently erase the pressure oil turn off the motor from my 2014 175000miles Tiguan? With one would be the best option? (And cheapest)
OBDEleven has more than paid itself back for me. Saved me money with services, fitting cruise control, fitting a trunk lid from a newer model (due to corrosion) and coding in LED plate lights, adding a rain/light sensor, diagnosing a corroded ABS sensor wire (with appropriate wiring diagrams). I've also done countless tweaks to about 7 different VW group cars without issues, people just need to keep in mind that the "apps" inside OBDEleven are created by other users, typically VCDS tweaks can easily be translated to OBDEleven long coding or adaption though. I've had absolutely no reason to consider getting VCDS, OBDEleven pro has given me the same tools.
I have the VCDS HEX NET and the Obd eleven Pro. I own a 2002 VW Golf TDI. The obd eleven did not even detect an engine so I could not even clear or check engine codes. The VCDS works but takes some time to get use to the interface and is slow but it works and for me that's what matters.
I have an 01 golf tdi. My obdeleven has actually been perfectly fine for years until recently it won’t scan correctly. I believe they broke something with a recent update but thank god it has a Ukrainian flag on the icon now 😒
Thank you for the information. I already own VCDS, but I am fed up with having to have a laptop to use it when I have a phone that is more powerful than my old laptop. I also have a alh TDI. So I want something I can use with my phone. I actually called Ross Tech about these issues. After talking with them, my feeling is Ross Tech and VCDS is not going to advance with Technology. I think I will get the new OBDELEVEN so I have both. I actually wanted to stay with Ross Tech. They make me made because they are like all the other computer hardware companies. They do not want to update their platform.
@@ts31966 That's because the amount of work they put in originally was paid by VW and they only have source code rights for that. They update it here and there using min effort. You can see that their website looks the same since early 2000. Im not sure how many people they have but sure as hell doesn't look like they have any programmers at all. They are just milking the cow till she dies. P. S. All of this is mute because manufacturers are shifting to live server connected tools like they did with service manuals. (Ever wonder why you cant buy a propper one for a 20 yo audi while other economy ones have engineering level ones on the groceries shelves?) With EV switch and complex safty systems, self driving, high voltage batteries and pressure to proof cars against hacking (self driving + hacking = disaster) You cant have manufacturer be responsible for people messing with those things. You cars will be inoperable if you don't have live internet connection and manufacturer won't let you service anything. They will use above reasoning to have governments approve of it. We will not even own our cars otherwise, just be alowed to rent it...till even that will be taken as and will be commuted around in AI "uber" driver to increase utilization and decrease traffic/polution I wouldn't be surprised if there will be laws against working on your future cars all together.
Bought the OBD11 long time ago just so that I can keep on eye on my timing chain stretch on my Mk6 GTI. Also use it for other goodies really useful plus I get to store it in my car so whenever I need it, it’s there.
Grabbed the last gen Android only OBD11 for $50. For the casual car guy like me who just wants a scan tool for personal use and to not bother learning all the coding, works perfectly for me.
I have a Ross-Tech VCDS Micro-Can interface that I bought for our 2016 Golf R. When I picked my my SQ5 I had to decide to either upgrade the Micro-CAN interface or go with ODBEleven. I figured I'd give out a try with the OBDEleven. It's a fine tool for regular maintenance and occasional coding changes but if you are doing much deeper diagnostic work or looking for something that is more of a "shop tool" than Ross-Tech is the way to go.
I'm a vcds man. I keep a surface pro 4 in the boot of the car with the vcds for whenever I need it. The surface pro was a cheap refurb for around £100. It handles vcds like a charm. I can't lie though the obdeleven and the likes (Carly) look good. But I'm just not keen on the subscription model.
I think vcds is most definitely the way to go because I manual swapped a 2000 Jetta and was able to change some values in the ecu to essentially make it think it's manual and it passes smog in California of all states
I bought the the OBDELEVEN and noticed it works way better on android phone! I hope they worked those bugs out because I have Apple phone. Eventually want to buy vcds because it’s the best out there!!
When you have VW you didn’t have to think much, cause you have a great vehicle and you love it so you must be wanted something great too for it. It’s just my simple opinion Greetings from me user VW Golf MK6 in Indonesia 🇮🇩👋
Thanks for the info! I think you just sold me on the OBD-eleven. I bought a micro-CAN VCDS 13 years ago for my MKV GTI and got plenty of use out of it (3 cars) but now it doesn’t work with my new Jetta and whatever is going to replace my MK7 Sportwagen. Who knows what the future will bring, and if the latest VCDS interface will be working 3 cars from now. I also dread digging out a very old Mac with boot camp just for VCDS. I get that the devs need to make a living and it seems like a good solution for the DIY: pay for what you use, rather than a big upfront cost that might not be useful on your next car.
I didn't realize they had VIN Limited versions of VCDS now... glad I have an older cable that is already unlimited! I don't work on a lot of cars but over the years of just buying/selling vehicles that would have made things significantly more expensive for me.
Same here. I’ve got the HEX+CAN wire. It’s done me very well over the years. Used it on the MK3 Golf GTI, MK4 golf 2.0 NA, Golf MK4 1.8t and now the Seat Leon 1m Cupra 1.8T. Very handy tool to say the least 👍
If you speak to the chaps over at OBD Eleven, please tell them their app is not disability friendly to us red-green colour blind people. I can never tell what modules are faulty and which aren't. A nice tick and cross symbol would be helpful! Or something similar. I did report it once, but they didn't do anything about it and it's not like I'm unique, there are about 10% of us out there!! :)
I've got a lifetime PRO license, that was a good deal. The Pro package for 25€ a year really turns it down... Most of us only need it maybe 3 times a year for a scan or a service reset. And I've only needed to code once, after I installed a new steering rack... The other time was when I changed a turbo and wanted some live data to compare. It's sad OBD11 is going this way...
When I bought my B9 I immediately bought OBDeleven Ultimate on sale. Couldn't beat the price but I always felt like I was missing out compared to VCDS. Now I realize the price is because of the subscription. No way I'd do it again. Whenever the question comes up on forums or club groups, I tell people to go straight for VCDS and be done with it. I tried datalogging with OBDEleven and finding the sensors and creating a datalog is a huge pain in the butt and takes forever. It works, I can look at sensors, change my rear brakes and do some coding...but the money I invested in it would have been better spent elsewhere.
Unfortunately OBDeleven doesn't offer much for my vehicle. If I could find something that made programming a key easy(easier), I would purchase it. I need to get a generic cable and seperate program to pull the cluster hex code, then back calculate the immobilizer code, then use that to log in VCDS to unlock programming of a new key.
amzn.to/3rBrPCm I have this, and it does up to MK4 immob, so right before download. It may work for you. its not cheap.. but its a full universal scanner. Also the lower end models might do it too
I just bought obd11 and it is a newer technology but it has a huge potential. Especially working on wireless android tablets. That is by far more convenient. Im a mobile mechanic and i work on alot of different cars but when i come to a vw the obd11 is legit. I just connect my phone and get the info i need.
I have both, I use the obdeleven to unlock features as it's quick and easy, but use vcds for diagnostics, however, Vcds is very mentally taxing in terms of usability as you need to know how to do it. Conversely, obdeleven is a case of just hit the button
VCDS all day everyday. Obd 11, even it’s made in my home country, it’s suitable for home users rather than garages or mechanics using on a daily basis.
Great review i been using the obdeleven for a while now and was lucky to get the next gen Pro license version before they start charging you for it so dosnt cost me anything.its the perfect tool to leave in the glovebox and will do everything you will need it to do
I bought a £55 vcds (new) and yes I do know it's a knock off, but it works perfectly and is fully functional, I opened it to have a look and it is so well made, it is so precisely made, I was very surprised at how well it was built....
I bought the next gen OBDeleven shortly after it came out, and it's fantastic for doing the little tweaks and minor services. I got lucky with lifetime pro membership. I also like that it's not VIN locked, so I can use it to do tweaks to all my friends' cars too. The credit system is pretty nice for the more in depth tweaks so you don't have to read through all the German menus, but for the most part, I use long coding helper and adaptation. Plus, it's tiny, so I always have it in the glovebox! If only I could stop forgetting the damn thing when I trade in cars lmao
Picked up an Obdeleven was getting some p2414 and p2237 codes related to my B1S1 o2 sensor on my Mk7 GTI. Works quite well however don’t like how the built in apps don’t specifically show what they’re changing. Might have to get the pro and use long coding to make any adaptations I want.
I own both Vagcom the wired version and OBD11. Love the ease of OBD11 and the ability to connect to my phone. I'm also glad that I'm grandfathered into the pro version.
@@x-man4702 Before they went to their new model they made any old accounts grandfathered. From their website "If you have a PRO version, purchased before 15.06.2021, you can continue using it unlimited - it is a lifetime value for you. Subscription plan is applied just for new customers."
@@MrTurboFour Thanks for your quick reply. I purchased my non pro version about 4 years when they came out and I just recently noticed after serving my wife's car that I couldn't reset the service inspection alert without first purchasing credits...
Used VCDS to diagnose a roof position sensor in 2006 Audi A4 cab… via graphs function, there was an odd spike (downwards) every 5 ish times. Not a mechanic, but really simply as i just looked all sensors based on fault code and open/closed a few times. Epic
@@HumbleMechanic agreed. Would have been virtually impossible without the graph as the blip was so brief. Didn’t even need to buy a new part, just took the bit out and went backwards and forwards 200 times quickly to clean the contacts
excellent informative video. I used to have an OBDeleven when I got my first golf, an mk7. It worked fine, but there's definitely something to be said for the reliability and consistency of a wired PC based system like VCDS (which I now use for my mk7.5). Personally I prefer VCDS. I've worked as a bmw/Porsche mechanic and have been spoiled by full fledged professional testers (autologic for BMW/Mini and PIWIS III on a laptop for Porsche), so maybe that biases me towards the fuller-featured low-BS PC-based solution here. I wouldn't want to do any actual diagnostic work via my phone, though. If I just had it to read codes and do absolutely nothing else, obdeleven makes a lot of sense.
vcds fits perfect for me. i'ts more geeky, not so easy to use but you have more freedom to do what you want at your car. I also have an old A3 8p, old laptop and a cheap vcds and it's great
Just bought a VW and went straight to VCDS. OBDeleven sounded great, but the whole pay yearly for pro and changes take credits just annoys me. Sure OBDeleven is wayyyy more user friendly, but VCDS goes more in-depth with the info. I will take the time to learn VCDS and come out ahead in the end.
I personally have had mixed experience with scan tools. For my car I first borrowed Carly from a friend. Its nice, but just dont go beyond viewing and deleting faults. Coding is a nightmare and yes, there is a backup function, but the coding options either just work, dont work or in the worst case change stuff that shouldnt be changed. I know some people who managed to brick modules, not cool. Since a year I regularly use VCDS Hex-V2 for my A4 B8 2.0TDI and it works great. Reliable, relatively fast, and very detailed. VCDS saved some days for me, since I can do almost EVERYTHING an Audi dealer could with their scan tools. Just great. Yes, a bit old looking, but as long as it works and doesnt mess up anything its the clear winner for me because I'd rather pay 300$ more for a capable scan tool (for VAG) than spending alot more on bricked modules etc.. OBD11 is also good, I just personally like VCDS more as it has more special functions OBD11 doesnt have (and you have to have internet connection wich is a no go for me). But for the normal end user OBD11 is a great cheaper option. AutoAid is something a friend bought for himself to diagnose cars outside the range of VAG for cheap. On paper it's great, but when you start digging deeper you find more and more stuff that either doesnt work or has no description. Often, selective tests are not available and when you select auto testing, the program will show you that its testing something, but doesnt show you what its testing. Also, special functions are very limited with VAG cars and fault codes are often not translated correctly. For example, I had a fault in the rear right door module and VCDS said "Rear right door illumination" while AutoAid said "Camshaft/Crankshaft correlation". And it has to be online always like OBD11.
Don't know if this has been said, but I got my OBDEleven with a lifetime on the pro plan. Might have been a holiday deal or something but it is/ was a possibility.
I'm using ODBeleven for several years now and in my eyes for DIY it is nearly perfect. But one thing should be mentioned: ODBeleven needs to connect to the internet to work. This might not be an issue in the US, but here Germany (as everyone knows we are always a little bit or a little bit more behind the rest of the world) it can be a problem. When your car breaks down in the middle of German nowhere, you might not be able to diagnose the problem because you have no mobile internet reception. Of course at home in your garage where you're connected to the WiFi this not a problem.
I have the 1st Gen/Android OBD11, with Pro, dongle since 2018, so lifetime. It was more basic then but since has improved year on year. Just to point out the android version of the app has more functionality than the iPhone version, so that's worth bearing that in mind, depending on your phone and really it's the Android version you should use to compare. Some say too that the 1st Gen dongle is better than Next Gen dongle, in reliability, though it is slower to connect; but I have not used the Next Gen dongle to vouch for this. Scan speed is the same once connected, I believe, and ultimately limited by the age of the car's technology. I have very little experience with VCDS but I have not found anything OBD11 can't reasonably do on my, admittedly older 2006 Audi A4, and has saved me a ton on visits to a mechanic for simple things that would still cost plenty. Adaptions too, such as DRLs, acoustic lock and long life service intervals to fixed, to name a few were worth the cost of entry alone, for me. I actually do leave the dongle on my OBDII port, except when it goes to service; it uses no juice unlike the cheap ones and where I am the car's unlikely to get nicked too; very convenient to scan. Sometimes I can put the phone on the dash and scan and clear while still driving, such as with the intermittent brake light switch that throws an ABS light on. A cheap part to replace but clearing it keeps it clear long enough not to have bothered. My B7 A4 S-Line Avant is so basic too, it didn't even come with a trip computer, so no bulb out warnings in the DIS; a quick scan weekly with OBD11 will tell me which if any bulb is out - useful for those you miss such as the number plate bulbs. I must say I never use the apps and don't see them as a major plus to me. Coding/adaptions is pretty easy and more or less universal between the two, with some digging; I often use the Ross-Tech website to research codes etc. and they translate well to OBD11. I would say the SFD unlock for newer VAG cars is a pretty huge plus over VCDS too. If I was in the trade I would definitely have and feel the need for both, outside of official VAG diagnostic software/hardware. OBD11 is officially sanctioned by VAG too, not sure about VCDS. For the average home mechanic having to heave an old laptop into the street (I think VCDS still needs) with it's dying battery is a massive inconvenience too.
I've run ODIS with am independent repair license and service my own shop as well as some other local shops. For average day to day Obdeleven and autel do just fine.
Which tool suits best for a Steering Angle Sensor Calibration on a VW ? And also looking forward for a detailed video on what all can be done inside ABS & Steering assist using both theese tools.
I got obdeleven it's great for mk5 and newer but I have not ever been able to even pull engine faults from a mk4 or my b4 Passat. I definitely need to get ross tech at some point.
@@HumbleMechanic still under warranty, but I’m putting on 1500 miles per month. 1.4 S, six speed. My wife made me buy the car because I was spending too much time wrenching on my daily drivers. I love the car - the fuel mileage is awesome, it drives great, and it has a lot of nice features, but visits to the dealer after the warranty expires are not a part of the plan.
Thanks for the informative video. Your detailed explanation of each system and recommendations helped me decide on the ODB11. I hope you get a commission for sending customers to buy product. The site you sent me to is over $40 less expensive than Amazon and free shipping. Can’t beat that. Thanks again!
Did you try VCP? VCP can flash units, changing eeprom, can unlock SWAP/FEC (this can obd11 too). VCDS is good product, but it seems, that VCDS is somethere in 2010 and not in 2022. And VCDS mobile is still in beta and not usable for comfort work.
VCDS is more technical and lets you understand more how coding works and what you are changing/doing, rather than clicking a "1-click" thing and having it do something you have no clue what it did, and just hope that it works (and sometimes it doesn't). With VCDS you get to understand bits & bytes, hex values, etc. However the downsides are they don't really have a real mobile "app" solution, and their stuff is very expensive by comparison; not to mention their implementation of the VIN limit they never used to have on older cables. Not surprisingly, some people buy bootleg cables as a result. It's doubtful VCDS will ever become "modern" and jump into the phone app space so will always require a laptop for true functionality. Plus no one would want to manually adjust a long code with a phone interface--make a small mistake or have it "autocorrect" something you enter, and boom you don't know what you just did. OBDeleven and others (Carista, Carly, etc.) are much more mobile-based (well more entirely) so their apps are much more developed and robust. However their subscription models, internet access, as well as OBDeleven's stupid credits, are just plain lame. That said, it would be many years of subscription to get to a $450 VCDS pricepoint. As noted, the SFD access is quite important for the latest vehicles though so that is sort of where they "get you". There's also VAS 505x / 6154 clones which allow use of bootleg ODIS, as well as handheld AIO tools like Xtool V401 which can do coding and adaptation in a standalone device. There's certainly more than just VCDS & OBDeleven in the market but these two are just the more prominent commercial examples.
I dont always take(read have) the time to read long comments. I stopped to read yours. I 100% agree with you! I need to get a bootleg 6154. I refuse to participate in bootleg VCDS, but ODIS.. Im good HAHA (I know im a hypocrite
Thank you very much for making this video and I very much admire your ability to describe and inform in clear professional terms in what seems to be an edit free video, truly amazing 👍👍👍
As a weekend DIYer I find the OBDeleven not only more user friendly but also budget friendly. I've tried the VCDS for a while and I found it more intimidating, let alone the Ross-Tech forums where you can drown yourself in long coding matters that are beyond my comprehension...
Firstly, love your work man! ... OK, MK4 Golf, GTI/1.8T conversion... '99/'00 Body (+internals, cluster, Custom Control Module/CCM etc), with '02 1.8T AGU Engine (+brakes, subframe, ECU/ECM, etc)... 1. For a car this old, is there any point in getting anything newer (OBDeleven) than the old cheap "ebay" VCDS cable/VCDS Lite etc.? 2. Side project, wiring in an upgraded CCM (with remotes)... How can I add "windows up/down with remote press" with any of these systems (incl. old ebay cable)? (you used to have to buy a separate 'one trick pony' OBD plugin). 3. On that CCM upgrade, I'll probably have to program new remotes/chips... will any of these systems make that any easier? Or can that be done with an 'old' cheap ebay cable? Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Good vibes sent from Australia!
Rumor has it, you can get a perfectly working china VCDS for 30 bucks. Make sure you get the one with the good chip. Though newer VW (2018 and newer I think), needs a new interface.
I was trying to figure out what one to get and this helped me decide to get both for my needs because I'm doing everything from personal to shop type use so I'm going with both and let either system work for the situations that fits that vehicle ty for the information
After years with MK4s, I'm stepping into the world of the B6 Passat. The only things I plan on doing regularly would be Oil changes and Brakes. Is the Pro subscription required for this?
By far the biggest gripe I have with the OBD 11 is you MUST have an internet connection, which rules out some on the road testing. I'm a HUGE VCDS fan for everything requiring diagnosis. Also not a fan of subscription. I thought I was grandfathered, hope I still am. I will be buying a new VCDS to work with my on the way SQ5 and my wife's Tiguan. (edit) yep, just checked and I have 65 days left on "pro"... anyone want a cheap OBD11?
@@HumbleMechanic I bought my OBD11 RIGHT when they changed to the sub model, I wouldn't have bought it if I knew. I could have paid for my original old school serial VAG COM 10 times over based on that sub model.
Great video Charles, I know your a busy man what are the differences between the ultimate version and pro version there's a huge difference in cost . Love the new shop extension build 👌
I paid 44€ for the first gen OBDeleven plus 15€ for the lifetime account. Now I had to get the next gen and I paid 66€ including shipping. I don’t know why it’s so expensive in your country.
I have a bit older obd11. Paid €50 don't need a year subscribtion. Clicked 5 ads a day for a while, while watching YT videos and have a 275 credits for free(value $55?). I changed a bunch of stuff on my S3 8v and still have 165 credits left. Also can add unlimited no of cars I think. For a diy person I'd go with odb11.
I'm not a VW guy. But I use Carly for most cars. Kinda won't run on some Volvo's. But the coding is easy using the app. Backups every time and there is no credit usage. Coded some things on VW cars.
I work on all kinds of cars, but just as a hobby. I wish I didn't have to spend a small fortune on a VW specific tool just to fix some basic issues with my nephew's Rabbit. I'd be happy to pay a few hundred dollars for a tool that would work on a wide variety of cars, but to have to spend that kind of money on something I might not use again for many years is ridiculous.
Just wanted to say thanks for this (and your other videos). I just ordered the ODBEleven as I don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of long coding to do simple things. I have my Accessport as well with my tunes (EQT) that also reads errors/code. But I don't think you can do things like what ODBEleven, plus I don't have a Laptop (Several PC's but no laptop..lol). Edit: Also, a buddy of mine was down in GA for the volks fest and met you. Next year I'll definitely have to go down. :)
Hello great video 😊 I’ve seen just now your comparison between vcds and obd11. After 1 year from the time you posted the video do you have anything else to add or say about the two diagnostic tools ? For personal use do you still recommend obd11 ?
I know you have more questions.. "How do I XYZ with either scanner" Post it as a reply here and I will do my best! There is a LOT to deal with here. LOL
I am wondering why the HEXNET you got is blue, not the typical black?
Sir want Purchase 6154 connector
@@harikeshtiwari Best of luck finding one LOL They seem to be on forever backorder
@@HumbleMechanic you forgot to link the video explaining how to make a backup (or I'm just blind)
I need to relearn my crankshaft position sensor..... Which tool is better for that? And it's a 2011 Audi A5 Quattro premium plus (I think)
I have a Vag-com (VCDS) cable that I bought twenty years ago when they first came out. It is the serial model. I bought it to analyze my 92 Corrado SLC and got the special cable that converts the OBD connector to two wires that connect to ports under the shift housing. I can't count the number of VWs and Audis I have used my Vag-com on over the years. It was made before Ross Tech thought of imposing a vehicle limit. I still use it, even just today on our mk7 Alltrack, but I previously had to get a serial to USB converter so I could use a modern notebook rather than an old PC with a serial port.
I have been driving VWs since 1973 and I divide them into two periods - before Vag-com and after Vag-com. Everything became so much easier after we got a tool that told us what was wrong with of VWs. This video by the Humble Mechanic has made one thing clear - that the security being imposed by mk8 VWs means VW is trying to turn the clock back to the bad pre Vag-com era. But I'm not going back! So this video taught me the newest VW I will be buying is a mk7.
I have the old Vag-Com Serial model as well. So, were there any challenges with using a serial to USB converter at all? I still have an old Dell laptop for this but it's really, really old and prefer to use a new laptop with USB (possibly even "USB-Type C"
@@garyrds I have an old Acer notebook that is at least 15 years old with Windows XP. The only thing I use it for is with my vag-com cable. I got the usb-serial dongle because it doesn't have serial. I had to experiment to figure out which USB port I had to use. I marked that port VC so I plug into the correct USB port. My other problem is the battery only lasts 10 minutes so I have to plug in the computer. I have newer notebooks, but I still use that old Acer for VW/Audi diagnostics.
@@garyrds I should add, when you plug the USB-Serial adapter in a USB port for the first time, it will set a new com port (usually in consecutive order). So let's say you have 3 usb ports, whichever one you plug it in first, will get COM4 (for example), the second usb you plug it in for the first time will get COM5 and so on.
The goold old Windows XP VM with VAG-COM got to love it
After having both, obdeleven is good for glovebox, full system scanning, and very light duty stuff (you won't learn much about coding or anything with obdeleven). VCDS is heavy duty, you can do everything possible on vcds, all of its features will work almost every time, it's super consistent, very detailed, way more support.
Vcds is preferred, more consistent, works better in my opinion (only on computer). Obdeleven has a fat superior wireless/app performance, is much more portable, but isn't as consistent and not nearly as in depth.
In a perfect world you would have VCDS for majority of stuff, obdeleven for on the go and possibly do quick little adaptations like brake assist on mk6 r (though obdeleven adaptations don't show you what it's doing so if it messes up you have no clue what it changed and how to change it back).
Thanks for the level of detail.
YES! THIS 100%
I have 3 Audis A4 (2008, 2011 and 2012).
Mechanic swapped engine on 2008 from BPG to BWT and not sure it’s kosher. Having engine code issues. Rebuilt engine on 2012 and running great and about to rebuild engine on 2011.
I think I’ll be better of with the VCDS system but don’t know how to use it.
Is there a course one can take for this?
I've had VCDS (VAG-COM) for probably the past 15 years and, while expensive, is my go to. I have even scanned/tweaked other's cars for a small price (decent beer)
@@mesmaayan I haven't gotten support myself but I've heard that ross tech is pretty great when it comes to support and documentation. There's also tons of videos and what not online. Probably an Udemy course or something on how to use vcds out there somewhere.
Just posting on a forum and getting to talk to others with more experience can be insanely useful as well.
Man I'm not even into VWs but love how well you present all this info and VW guys are crazy lucky to have ya
Thank you
I went with the VCDS because we used one at work. We had a B8 Passat from Germany with prototype software in the brake and engine controllers. Not everything worked (Ross Tech was yelling at our 'tuner'), but it fixed what we needed to fix that regular scan tools couldn't. So I went with it when I got my 7.5 Golf R. Also, I can learn new German words when I use it.
Volkswagen, " Das Auto" ...😆
I’ve used OBDEleven since early 2015 or so, and it wasn’t released publicly, or should I say in bulk. I had to wait over a month to receive it from its country of origin. I’m grandfathered into the lifetime Pro subscription. It has advanced a lot since it’s release. When I’m working on cars, I use OBDEleven more than VCDS for basic stuff like pulling codes and simple coding and basic settings and what not. It’s rare that I need VCDS to come out honestly. I currently have a B5.5 Passat GLS 4Motion Manual, a 12 GLI, and a B8 Passat SEL Premuim. OBDEleven works on all perfectly. I’m extremely content with it and for basic enthusiasts, or people who are light to mid range mechanics on VWs. It’s a great back up and inexpensive option in my opinion. Excellent video Charles. ✌️
Yeah, OBDEleven is great if you're grandfathered in, but the ridiculous cost of the subscription model doesn't make the convenience worth it anymore.
@@rars0n exactly.. i cant justify this $50 a year subscription for something that i use like 2-3 times a year.. its not worth it at all smh
I have the esp light on sometimes....will thé obdeleven tell me where exactly is the problem?
@@guitariste47 no scanner in the world can tell you what the problem is but pulling the code will give you a place to start. Sometimes it’s simple sometimes not.
I wish i got the pro upgrade b4 it went to subscription. I did stack about 3500 credits when you could watch adds to earn them so im set for a few years
Luckily I bought the OBD pro before they started the subscription nonsense. Does everything I need. 👍
Yep SAME!
What is that subscription
Yes same here. The subscription is a scam (today id buy a carly obd reader) I was lucky to earn lots of credits back when you could watch commericals to get them from obd11
@@Charles_28 its a rip off. Get a carly obd reader. Same thing no subscription or atleast last i checked.
I had the gen1 with the pro version, if i get the new one will I still keep my pro subscription on it? Just making sure my gen1 is getting way too slow
I have been using both Ross Tech VCDS and OBDeleven Pro for about five years with my 2007 Audi TT Roadster and my 2015 Tiguan. Both systems have their merits, however there are some key differences that users should be aware of -
1.) Adaptations and Basic Settings -
VCDS is the hands-down, "go to" system for fault codes, full diagnostics, and running Adaptations and Basic setting and code changes. There's simply nothing VCDS can't do when it comes to OBD diagnostics. Unfortunately, OBDeleven doesn't have all the Basic Settings/Adaptations so to me that a big deal in terms of price vs value. For example, while OBDeleven can read the Roof Flap fault codes of a Audi TT Roadster, it can't run the Adaption needed when the roof flap servo is replaced. VCDS can do both.
2.) Internet vs Stand Alone -
The OBDeleven App is easy and convenient to use on a smartphone but if you don't have a cellular or internet connection, it won't work. Period. This may be an issue for those who live in areas where cellular/internet access may not be reliable or who may end up in remote areas. VCDS on the other hand, connects directly to the vehicle via a laptop (PC). Internet access is not required at all.
3.) Customer Support -
Ross Tech has a ton of customer support including a Wiki with a massive list of DTCs and their Forum if you need help with a problem. Consider that Uwe Ross started VCDS back in 1999 and OBDeleven only came to the market about 6-years ago. OBDeleven has a Forum too, but it's pretty clear they're just a software company (VoltasIT) and not an automotive diagnostic company like VCDS since it's generally the Forum members, not the VoltasIT/OBDeleven team, providing specific VAG vehicle model advice. This is one reason why you will find dozens of VCDS how-to videos and almost none from VoltasIT/OBDeleven and why so many OBDeleven users have to run Google searches to figure out how to use it and what faults codes actually mean. Again, Ross Tech offers all this.
4.) Long Code Tweaking -
One of the most popular features of both systems is being able to get into the VAG software and change factory settings. VCDS only provides the ability to make long code changes which can be a bit intimidating if you don't know what you're doing. OBDeleven on the other hand, offers One Touch Apps which make this very easy to do. It will cost you a certain number of credits, but if the App doesn't work, there's no charge. Just remember not all vehicles have the same features; a 2005 Golf will not have the same software features as a 2015 Golf.
Bottom line - do your homework and figure out what works best for your needs. Don't let price sway you, but don't spend more than you really need to either.
Great write up! I agree with everything you said. I wish the two companies would combine.
I purchased VCDS in about 2005. It was used on a 1998 Vw tdi Jetta. VCDS is so powerful you do need additional training to learn how to use it. I was not given a manual for VCDS.
I rolled my Jetta in 2017. The VCDS cable was destroyed. They want me to buy everything all over again. 600 dollars and also a PC to run VCDS on? I already have a new phone. Why buy additional stuff that just sits?
I considered buy VCDS again but having to buy a PC to use it pushes the idea over the edge.
If you are mechanic then buy VCDS. If you have a job and a life buy OBDeleven. The auto mechanics should absolutely have VCDS and know how to use it. They may have it, but I can almost guarantee they do not know how to use it fully.
I spent 200 dollars on VCDS and used it twice. I also purchased a 1,700 laptop to run Vagcom on. So almost 2,000 dollars for 2 uses. 1,000 dollars per use.
It has been 17 years since I first used vagcom and even now it is limited in its usage on a phone.
I called Ross Tech. They told me I need a PC to get full usability of VCDS. They have no plans to make the program phone fully functional.
This is not acceptable. Technology moves forward. They are not moving forward with technology.
When I purchased VCDS it was the best tool for diagnosing your car. It was expensive but there was nothing else.
I thought OBDeleven would light a fire under Ross Tech. No.
The writing is on the wall. OBDeleven is the future.
The smart thing to do is buy OBDELEVEN and then a find a mechanic that has and actually knows how to use VCDS. When you want to modify your car spend your money and go to the smart mechanic.
Very good comment. Can’t agree with you more.
What about just permanently erase the pressure oil turn off the motor from my 2014 175000miles Tiguan? With one would be the best option? (And cheapest)
OBDEleven has more than paid itself back for me.
Saved me money with services, fitting cruise control, fitting a trunk lid from a newer model (due to corrosion) and coding in LED plate lights, adding a rain/light sensor, diagnosing a corroded ABS sensor wire (with appropriate wiring diagrams).
I've also done countless tweaks to about 7 different VW group cars without issues, people just need to keep in mind that the "apps" inside OBDEleven are created by other users, typically VCDS tweaks can easily be translated to OBDEleven long coding or adaption though.
I've had absolutely no reason to consider getting VCDS, OBDEleven pro has given me the same tools.
Have u coded headlights
I have the VCDS HEX NET and the Obd eleven Pro. I own a 2002 VW Golf TDI. The obd eleven did not even detect an engine so I could not even clear or check engine codes. The VCDS works but takes some time to get use to the interface and is slow but it works and for me that's what matters.
I have an 01 golf tdi. My obdeleven has actually been perfectly fine for years until recently it won’t scan correctly. I believe they broke something with a recent update but thank god it has a Ukrainian flag on the icon now 😒
Thank you for the information.
I already own VCDS, but I am fed up with having to have a laptop to use it when I have a phone that is more powerful than my old laptop.
I also have a alh TDI. So I want something I can use with my phone.
I actually called Ross Tech about these issues. After talking with them, my feeling is Ross Tech and VCDS is not going to advance with Technology.
I think I will get the new OBDELEVEN so I have both.
I actually wanted to stay with Ross Tech. They make me made because they are like all the other computer hardware companies. They do not want to update their platform.
Reset oil 2$ woooat
@@ts31966 That's because the amount of work they put in originally was paid by VW and they only have source code rights for that. They update it here and there using min effort. You can see that their website looks the same since early 2000. Im not sure how many people they have but sure as hell doesn't look like they have any programmers at all.
They are just milking the cow till she dies.
P. S. All of this is mute because manufacturers are shifting to live server connected tools like they did with service manuals. (Ever wonder why you cant buy a propper one for a 20 yo audi while other economy ones have engineering level ones on the groceries shelves?)
With EV switch and complex safty systems, self driving, high voltage batteries and pressure to proof cars against hacking (self driving + hacking = disaster) You cant have manufacturer be responsible for people messing with those things.
You cars will be inoperable if you don't have live internet connection and manufacturer won't let you service anything. They will use above reasoning to have governments approve of it.
We will not even own our cars otherwise, just be alowed to rent it...till even that will be taken as and will be commuted around in AI "uber" driver to increase utilization and decrease traffic/polution
I wouldn't be surprised if there will be laws against working on your future cars all together.
@@MD-gk4uh thanks, I understand now.
Bought the OBD11 long time ago just so that I can keep on eye on my timing chain stretch on my Mk6 GTI. Also use it for other goodies really useful plus I get to store it in my car so whenever I need it, it’s there.
How do you check it? And what values do you look for as in minimum and/or maximum? Thanks
@@gmax985 same question here. Know how to check it on VCDS but how do you do it on OBD11 ?
Also interested on timing chain stretch data with obd11
@@gmax985 you go into engine and type 93.
Why im here lol
Grabbed the last gen Android only OBD11 for $50. For the casual car guy like me who just wants a scan tool for personal use and to not bother learning all the coding, works perfectly for me.
where did you get it from?
I have a Ross-Tech VCDS Micro-Can interface that I bought for our 2016 Golf R. When I picked my my SQ5 I had to decide to either upgrade the Micro-CAN interface or go with ODBEleven. I figured I'd give out a try with the OBDEleven. It's a fine tool for regular maintenance and occasional coding changes but if you are doing much deeper diagnostic work or looking for something that is more of a "shop tool" than Ross-Tech is the way to go.
I know this is a year old video, but talk about how helpful and descriptive is. Thank for your time. This is awesome to work on my vw tig.
I'm a vcds man. I keep a surface pro 4 in the boot of the car with the vcds for whenever I need it. The surface pro was a cheap refurb for around £100. It handles vcds like a charm.
I can't lie though the obdeleven and the likes (Carly) look good. But I'm just not keen on the subscription model.
I think vcds is most definitely the way to go because I manual swapped a 2000 Jetta and was able to change some values in the ecu to essentially make it think it's manual and it passes smog in California of all states
Nice!
I bought VCDS and don’t regret it at all. The wealth of information you get has been invaluable over the course of owning my MK5 GTI.
I bought the the OBDELEVEN and noticed it works way better on android phone! I hope they worked those bugs out because I have Apple phone. Eventually want to buy vcds because it’s the best out there!!
I have had pretty good performance form OBDeleven on iPhone. I had an early one on android. it wasn't great. LOL
When you have VW you didn’t have to think much, cause you have a great vehicle and you love it so you must be wanted something great too for it. It’s just my simple opinion
Greetings from me user VW Golf MK6 in Indonesia 🇮🇩👋
Thank you for the in-depth explanation of both devices.
Thanks for the info! I think you just sold me on the OBD-eleven. I bought a micro-CAN VCDS 13 years ago for my MKV GTI and got plenty of use out of it (3 cars) but now it doesn’t work with my new Jetta and whatever is going to replace my MK7 Sportwagen. Who knows what the future will bring, and if the latest VCDS interface will be working 3 cars from now. I also dread digging out a very old Mac with boot camp just for VCDS. I get that the devs need to make a living and it seems like a good solution for the DIY: pay for what you use, rather than a big upfront cost that might not be useful on your next car.
I didn't realize they had VIN Limited versions of VCDS now... glad I have an older cable that is already unlimited! I don't work on a lot of cars but over the years of just buying/selling vehicles that would have made things significantly more expensive for me.
Same, I've got the hex-can unlimited too. 👍👍
They do expire eventually, I had the same bought in 07, it expired this year still code reads but nothing else.
Same here. I’ve got the HEX+CAN wire.
It’s done me very well over the years.
Used it on the MK3 Golf GTI, MK4 golf 2.0 NA, Golf MK4 1.8t and now the Seat Leon 1m Cupra 1.8T. Very handy tool to say the least 👍
@@tidysampler585 I've got a 1m leon 1.8t too. Been my daily for 5 or 6 years now. 👍👍
@@MattyEngland I have to say, the 1m Leon Cupra has to be my favourite of all my cars to date. Simply because of cost per pound so far 👍
I have the older VcDS dongle 2013 to older vw/audi models. Its awesome no issues very helpful when troubleshooting codes, etc.
If you speak to the chaps over at OBD Eleven, please tell them their app is not disability friendly to us red-green colour blind people. I can never tell what modules are faulty and which aren't. A nice tick and cross symbol would be helpful! Or something similar. I did report it once, but they didn't do anything about it and it's not like I'm unique, there are about 10% of us out there!! :)
U can buy these glasses which change color
Functionality should be baked into iOS. Try the inverted colour settings
I've got a lifetime PRO license, that was a good deal. The Pro package for 25€ a year really turns it down...
Most of us only need it maybe 3 times a year for a scan or a service reset. And I've only needed to code once, after I installed a new steering rack...
The other time was when I changed a turbo and wanted some live data to compare.
It's sad OBD11 is going this way...
When I bought my B9 I immediately bought OBDeleven Ultimate on sale. Couldn't beat the price but I always felt like I was missing out compared to VCDS. Now I realize the price is because of the subscription. No way I'd do it again. Whenever the question comes up on forums or club groups, I tell people to go straight for VCDS and be done with it. I tried datalogging with OBDEleven and finding the sensors and creating a datalog is a huge pain in the butt and takes forever. It works, I can look at sensors, change my rear brakes and do some coding...but the money I invested in it would have been better spent elsewhere.
I can confirm that unlimited Hex-v2 is possible, I have one. You need to pay for the license upgrade (169usd IIRC)
that was my understanding as well
Thankfully I have older Audis and the unlimited VIN cable before they started the VIN counting.
Unfortunately OBDeleven doesn't offer much for my vehicle. If I could find something that made programming a key easy(easier), I would purchase it. I need to get a generic cable and seperate program to pull the cluster hex code, then back calculate the immobilizer code, then use that to log in VCDS to unlock programming of a new key.
amzn.to/3rBrPCm I have this, and it does up to MK4 immob, so right before download. It may work for you. its not cheap.. but its a full universal scanner. Also the lower end models might do it too
I just bought obd11 and it is a newer technology but it has a huge potential. Especially working on wireless android tablets. That is by far more convenient. Im a mobile mechanic and i work on alot of different cars but when i come to a vw the obd11 is legit. I just connect my phone and get the info i need.
I have both, I use the obdeleven to unlock features as it's quick and easy, but use vcds for diagnostics, however, Vcds is very mentally taxing in terms of usability as you need to know how to do it. Conversely, obdeleven is a case of just hit the button
VCDS all day everyday. Obd 11, even it’s made in my home country, it’s suitable for home users rather than garages or mechanics using on a daily basis.
Great review i been using the obdeleven for a while now and was lucky to get the next gen Pro license version before they start charging you for it so dosnt cost me anything.its the perfect tool to leave in the glovebox and will do everything you will need it to do
Exactly! Im locked in too. Ultimately $30 a year isn't too bad. BUT I really hate subscription stuff.
@@HumbleMechanic totally agree with you mate 👍🏻
I bought a £55 vcds (new) and yes I do know it's a knock off, but it works perfectly and is fully functional, I opened it to have a look and it is so well made, it is so precisely made, I was very surprised at how well it was built....
Where from
I bought the next gen OBDeleven shortly after it came out, and it's fantastic for doing the little tweaks and minor services. I got lucky with lifetime pro membership. I also like that it's not VIN locked, so I can use it to do tweaks to all my friends' cars too. The credit system is pretty nice for the more in depth tweaks so you don't have to read through all the German menus, but for the most part, I use long coding helper and adaptation. Plus, it's tiny, so I always have it in the glovebox!
If only I could stop forgetting the damn thing when I trade in cars lmao
Picked up an Obdeleven was getting some p2414 and p2237 codes related to my B1S1 o2 sensor on my Mk7 GTI. Works quite well however don’t like how the built in apps don’t specifically show what they’re changing. Might have to get the pro and use long coding to make any adaptations I want.
I own both Vagcom the wired version and OBD11. Love the ease of OBD11 and the ability to connect to my phone. I'm also glad that I'm grandfathered into the pro version.
How did you get grandfather in?
@@x-man4702 Before they went to their new model they made any old accounts grandfathered. From their website "If you have a PRO version, purchased before 15.06.2021, you can continue using it unlimited - it is a lifetime value for you. Subscription plan is applied just for new customers."
@@MrTurboFour
Thanks for your quick reply. I purchased my non pro version about 4 years when they came out and I just recently noticed after serving my wife's car that I couldn't reset the service inspection alert without first purchasing credits...
I find my Bluedriver Bluetooth scanner great for my GTI. Cheap, provides live data and excellent troubleshooting for codes. Easy to use. $110 Can.
I'm glad I got in for obdeleven back when PRO was lifetime
Used VCDS to diagnose a roof position sensor in 2006 Audi A4 cab… via graphs function, there was an odd spike (downwards) every 5 ish times. Not a mechanic, but really simply as i just looked all sensors based on fault code and open/closed a few times. Epic
You just showed why graphing is so awesome.
@@HumbleMechanic agreed. Would have been virtually impossible without the graph as the blip was so brief. Didn’t even need to buy a new part, just took the bit out and went backwards and forwards 200 times quickly to clean the contacts
Dude this is the video I needed! Love it man, I got Vcds but got really confused when using it for the first time. VERY helpful video!
Thanks! Ive done some deep videos on how to use VCDS
excellent informative video.
I used to have an OBDeleven when I got my first golf, an mk7. It worked fine, but there's definitely something to be said for the reliability and consistency of a wired PC based system like VCDS (which I now use for my mk7.5). Personally I prefer VCDS.
I've worked as a bmw/Porsche mechanic and have been spoiled by full fledged professional testers (autologic for BMW/Mini and PIWIS III on a laptop for Porsche), so maybe that biases me towards the fuller-featured low-BS PC-based solution here. I wouldn't want to do any actual diagnostic work via my phone, though.
If I just had it to read codes and do absolutely nothing else, obdeleven makes a lot of sense.
Ive been waited this video for 3 years
LOL I dont want to get going too early. HA
@@HumbleMechanic didn’t you do a video on this WAYYY back? Lol
vcds fits perfect for me. i'ts more geeky, not so easy to use but you have more freedom to do what you want at your car. I also have an old A3 8p, old laptop and a cheap vcds and it's great
Just bought a VW and went straight to VCDS. OBDeleven sounded great, but the whole pay yearly for pro and changes take credits just annoys me. Sure OBDeleven is wayyyy more user friendly, but VCDS goes more in-depth with the info.
I will take the time to learn VCDS and come out ahead in the end.
great content as always man, you answered my quesiton about how the software is acquired, ive been wanting a scan tool for a while now !
I personally have had mixed experience with scan tools.
For my car I first borrowed Carly from a friend. Its nice, but just dont go beyond viewing and deleting faults. Coding is a nightmare and yes, there is a backup function, but the coding options either just work, dont work or in the worst case change stuff that shouldnt be changed. I know some people who managed to brick modules, not cool.
Since a year I regularly use VCDS Hex-V2 for my A4 B8 2.0TDI and it works great. Reliable, relatively fast, and very detailed. VCDS saved some days for me, since I can do almost EVERYTHING an Audi dealer could with their scan tools. Just great. Yes, a bit old looking, but as long as it works and doesnt mess up anything its the clear winner for me because I'd rather pay 300$ more for a capable scan tool (for VAG) than spending alot more on bricked modules etc..
OBD11 is also good, I just personally like VCDS more as it has more special functions OBD11 doesnt have (and you have to have internet connection wich is a no go for me). But for the normal end user OBD11 is a great cheaper option.
AutoAid is something a friend bought for himself to diagnose cars outside the range of VAG for cheap. On paper it's great, but when you start digging deeper you find more and more stuff that either doesnt work or has no description. Often, selective tests are not available and when you select auto testing, the program will show you that its testing something, but doesnt show you what its testing. Also, special functions are very limited with VAG cars and fault codes are often not translated correctly. For example, I had a fault in the rear right door module and VCDS said "Rear right door illumination" while AutoAid said "Camshaft/Crankshaft correlation". And it has to be online always like OBD11.
Don't know if this has been said, but I got my OBDEleven with a lifetime on the pro plan. Might have been a holiday deal or something but it is/ was a possibility.
I'm using ODBeleven for several years now and in my eyes for DIY it is nearly perfect.
But one thing should be mentioned: ODBeleven needs to connect to the internet to work. This might not be an issue in the US, but here Germany (as everyone knows we are always a little bit or a little bit more behind the rest of the world) it can be a problem. When your car breaks down in the middle of German nowhere, you might not be able to diagnose the problem because you have no mobile internet reception. Of course at home in your garage where you're connected to the WiFi this not a problem.
I have purchased the Carly option and it sucks for Volkswagen. Im pointin towards VCDS.
I have the 1st Gen/Android OBD11, with Pro, dongle since 2018, so lifetime. It was more basic then but since has improved year on year. Just to point out the android version of the app has more functionality than the iPhone version, so that's worth bearing that in mind, depending on your phone and really it's the Android version you should use to compare. Some say too that the 1st Gen dongle is better than Next Gen dongle, in reliability, though it is slower to connect; but I have not used the Next Gen dongle to vouch for this. Scan speed is the same once connected, I believe, and ultimately limited by the age of the car's technology.
I have very little experience with VCDS but I have not found anything OBD11 can't reasonably do on my, admittedly older 2006 Audi A4, and has saved me a ton on visits to a mechanic for simple things that would still cost plenty. Adaptions too, such as DRLs, acoustic lock and long life service intervals to fixed, to name a few were worth the cost of entry alone, for me. I actually do leave the dongle on my OBDII port, except when it goes to service; it uses no juice unlike the cheap ones and where I am the car's unlikely to get nicked too; very convenient to scan. Sometimes I can put the phone on the dash and scan and clear while still driving, such as with the intermittent brake light switch that throws an ABS light on. A cheap part to replace but clearing it keeps it clear long enough not to have bothered. My B7 A4 S-Line Avant is so basic too, it didn't even come with a trip computer, so no bulb out warnings in the DIS; a quick scan weekly with OBD11 will tell me which if any bulb is out - useful for those you miss such as the number plate bulbs.
I must say I never use the apps and don't see them as a major plus to me. Coding/adaptions is pretty easy and more or less universal between the two, with some digging; I often use the Ross-Tech website to research codes etc. and they translate well to OBD11. I would say the SFD unlock for newer VAG cars is a pretty huge plus over VCDS too. If I was in the trade I would definitely have and feel the need for both, outside of official VAG diagnostic software/hardware. OBD11 is officially sanctioned by VAG too, not sure about VCDS. For the average home mechanic having to heave an old laptop into the street (I think VCDS still needs) with it's dying battery is a massive inconvenience too.
I've run ODIS with am independent repair license and service my own shop as well as some other local shops. For average day to day Obdeleven and autel do just fine.
A must for shops!
Which tool suits best for a Steering Angle Sensor Calibration on a VW ? And also looking forward for a detailed video on what all can be done inside ABS & Steering assist using both theese tools.
I got obdeleven it's great for mk5 and newer but I have not ever been able to even pull engine faults from a mk4 or my b4 Passat. I definitely need to get ross tech at some point.
Timely. My 2020 Jetta has been generating a MIL every thousand miles since it hit 20k. VCDS here I come.
Yikes not under warranty anymore?
@@HumbleMechanic still under warranty, but I’m putting on 1500 miles per month. 1.4 S, six speed. My wife made me buy the car because I was spending too much time wrenching on my daily drivers. I love the car - the fuel mileage is awesome, it drives great, and it has a lot of nice features, but visits to the dealer after the warranty expires are not a part of the plan.
Thanks for the informative video. Your detailed explanation of each system and recommendations helped me decide on the ODB11. I hope you get a commission for sending customers to buy product. The site you sent me to is over $40 less expensive than Amazon and free shipping. Can’t beat that. Thanks again!
Did you try VCP? VCP can flash units, changing eeprom, can unlock SWAP/FEC (this can obd11 too). VCDS is good product, but it seems, that VCDS is somethere in 2010 and not in 2022. And VCDS mobile is still in beta and not usable for comfort work.
Thanks for the video. I am a keen DIYer and get what I need with OBDeleven. If it is not up to the job, neither am I or my garage.
VCDS is more technical and lets you understand more how coding works and what you are changing/doing, rather than clicking a "1-click" thing and having it do something you have no clue what it did, and just hope that it works (and sometimes it doesn't). With VCDS you get to understand bits & bytes, hex values, etc. However the downsides are they don't really have a real mobile "app" solution, and their stuff is very expensive by comparison; not to mention their implementation of the VIN limit they never used to have on older cables. Not surprisingly, some people buy bootleg cables as a result. It's doubtful VCDS will ever become "modern" and jump into the phone app space so will always require a laptop for true functionality. Plus no one would want to manually adjust a long code with a phone interface--make a small mistake or have it "autocorrect" something you enter, and boom you don't know what you just did.
OBDeleven and others (Carista, Carly, etc.) are much more mobile-based (well more entirely) so their apps are much more developed and robust. However their subscription models, internet access, as well as OBDeleven's stupid credits, are just plain lame. That said, it would be many years of subscription to get to a $450 VCDS pricepoint. As noted, the SFD access is quite important for the latest vehicles though so that is sort of where they "get you".
There's also VAS 505x / 6154 clones which allow use of bootleg ODIS, as well as handheld AIO tools like Xtool V401 which can do coding and adaptation in a standalone device. There's certainly more than just VCDS & OBDeleven in the market but these two are just the more prominent commercial examples.
I dont always take(read have) the time to read long comments. I stopped to read yours. I 100% agree with you! I need to get a bootleg 6154. I refuse to participate in bootleg VCDS, but ODIS.. Im good HAHA (I know im a hypocrite
I am no vehicle mechanic nor programmer.... I am comfortable w/my OBDELEVEN for my 4M Q7 for I am the average DIY-er ^_^.
Thank you very much for making this video and I very much admire your ability to describe and inform in clear professional terms in what seems to be an edit free video, truly amazing 👍👍👍
You can graph in Obdeleven as well
REALLY??? I need to find that. LOL
Can obd11 reset service intervals on Audi A3 8P up models
Thanks Charles, this answered a lot of my questions being new to VAG.
As a weekend DIYer I find the OBDeleven not only more user friendly but also budget friendly. I've tried the VCDS for a while and I found it more intimidating, let alone the Ross-Tech forums where you can drown yourself in long coding matters that are beyond my comprehension...
Yea you’re for sure right. I’ve found myself using it more especially when I’m not at the shop
Firstly, love your work man! ... OK, MK4 Golf, GTI/1.8T conversion... '99/'00 Body (+internals, cluster, Custom Control Module/CCM etc), with '02 1.8T AGU Engine (+brakes, subframe, ECU/ECM, etc)...
1. For a car this old, is there any point in getting anything newer (OBDeleven) than the old cheap "ebay" VCDS cable/VCDS Lite etc.?
2. Side project, wiring in an upgraded CCM (with remotes)... How can I add "windows up/down with remote press" with any of these systems (incl. old ebay cable)? (you used to have to buy a separate 'one trick pony' OBD plugin).
3. On that CCM upgrade, I'll probably have to program new remotes/chips... will any of these systems make that any easier? Or can that be done with an 'old' cheap ebay cable?
Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance!
Good vibes sent from Australia!
Rumor has it, you can get a perfectly working china VCDS for 30 bucks. Make sure you get the one with the good chip. Though newer VW (2018 and newer I think), needs a new interface.
LOL rumour, ah we all know what you mean...at least those of us that know...
How do you know which one has ‘the good chip’? Would these cables be able to program/code a replacement abs pump for a 2011 Jetta?
This is a phenomenally thorough video. Thank you!
Great video Thanks! Very informative
I keep my obd11 classic on the glovebox as im down to only one vw car, i bought mine after your first video
Since i cant afford ODIS i'm a Ross-Tech fan. I'm sure Ross-Tech will get the SFD figured out soon and have an update to the software.
An inexpensive alternative is XTOOL VAG 401. It costs $50 and is nearly as capable as OBD11.
I have one for my wife's 02' MKIV GTI. Slow to navigate, but it dose read the modules.
And no dumb subscription fees!
I was trying to figure out what one to get and this helped me decide to get both for my needs because I'm doing everything from personal to shop type use so I'm going with both and let either system work for the situations that fits that vehicle ty for the information
Glad I got grandfathered into the OBD11 pro. No monthly fee.
Yeah me too!!
Heads up!. I have both and both have limited functionality for the pre 2017 VW Crafter which is a VW/Mercedes frankenstein.
After years with MK4s, I'm stepping into the world of the B6 Passat. The only things I plan on doing regularly would be Oil changes and Brakes. Is the Pro subscription required for this?
No its not required. Brakes can be done with or with out apps
By far the biggest gripe I have with the OBD 11 is you MUST have an internet connection, which rules out some on the road testing. I'm a HUGE VCDS fan for everything requiring diagnosis.
Also not a fan of subscription. I thought I was grandfathered, hope I still am. I will be buying a new VCDS to work with my on the way SQ5 and my wife's Tiguan.
(edit) yep, just checked and I have 65 days left on "pro"... anyone want a cheap OBD11?
Yea the internet sucks. We were at WITW And I was like ah dang it
@@HumbleMechanic I bought my OBD11 RIGHT when they changed to the sub model, I wouldn't have bought it if I knew. I could have paid for my original old school serial VAG COM 10 times over based on that sub model.
Aliexpress ones work like a charm and is not a ripoff.
Thanks for the very helpful comparison of these systems.
notification squad, happy easter!🔥🔥🔥
Great video Charles, I know your a busy man what are the differences between the ultimate version and pro version there's a huge difference in cost . Love the new shop extension build 👌
Early adopters of OBDeleven got that life time pro for free!
That ‘67 Camaro is looking more even attractive!
$200 for VCDS? Sold.
Appreciate the videos dude. Don't stop doing them please haha.
PS thanks for making me jelly showing off the MK8R
Lol glad to help. On both of those 😜
@@HumbleMechanic keep the VCDS videos coming! I appreciate them!
Excellent video! The SFD info was very helpful
I paid 44€ for the first gen OBDeleven plus 15€ for the lifetime account.
Now I had to get the next gen and I paid 66€ including shipping.
I don’t know why it’s so expensive in your country.
I have a bit older obd11. Paid €50 don't need a year subscribtion. Clicked 5 ads a day for a while, while watching YT videos and have a 275 credits for free(value $55?). I changed a bunch of stuff on my S3 8v and still have 165 credits left. Also can add unlimited no of cars I think. For a diy person I'd go with odb11.
I'm not a VW guy. But I use Carly for most cars. Kinda won't run on some Volvo's.
But the coding is easy using the app. Backups every time and there is no credit usage. Coded some things on VW cars.
How is it still possible that cars can't use the on screen dash computer to read the codes? WHy doesn't any regulator force this?
We have enough force, it's why we cant get some greater things the world has to offer.
Bought VCDS found out it would not do what I wanted, the correct software is ODIS.
I have the BluDriver ODBII reader works great. 2012 Golf MK6
I have the hex cable unlimited vins and for me is very good
VCDS > OBDeleven, though I am gonna get OBDeleven to keep in the car
you are a legend
I work on all kinds of cars, but just as a hobby. I wish I didn't have to spend a small fortune on a VW specific tool just to fix some basic issues with my nephew's Rabbit. I'd be happy to pay a few hundred dollars for a tool that would work on a wide variety of cars, but to have to spend that kind of money on something I might not use again for many years is ridiculous.
Just wanted to say thanks for this (and your other videos). I just ordered the ODBEleven as I don't want to get into the nitty-gritty of long coding to do simple things. I have my Accessport as well with my tunes (EQT) that also reads errors/code. But I don't think you can do things like what ODBEleven, plus I don't have a Laptop (Several PC's but no laptop..lol).
Edit: Also, a buddy of mine was down in GA for the volks fest and met you. Next year I'll definitely have to go down. :)
Still not sure what I need. I need to code a new battery, code a new key, fix problems with CAN and parking assist sensors.
Obd11 for sure, it does 99% of the same things VCDS but In a much much much easier to understand platform
There’s a catch with obd11, to make adjustments such as you’r battery, you have to purchase the pro plan.
You don’t have to. But it sure makes it easy and fast. Thankfully
the credits aren’t too expensive
Hi,
Idk I tried too enter the data as you showed and it would not allow me too until , I upgraded, your videos are great by the way.
Hello great video 😊
I’ve seen just now your comparison between vcds and obd11.
After 1 year from the time you posted the video do you have anything else to add or say about the two diagnostic tools ?
For personal use do you still recommend obd11 ?
Vcds needs to step up there game with that SFD