Will Scotland Leave the UK Because of Brexit? - Brexit Explained
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For years Scotland has been talking about leaving the United Kingdom and Brexit has really reignited that conversation. We discuss the history of Scottish independence as well as if Scotland will actually leave because of Brexit.
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Great vid - only criticism I have is that you didn’t stress the fact enough that Scots were explicitly and repeatedly promised the only way to protect their EU membership was to vote NO in the first independence referendum.
Scotland always gets the shank, right?
TheBayzent not at all, but in this case Scotland was lied to.
@@Encolpius79 Has defo screwed over scotland in that regard but tbf at the time it wasn't a lie since we hadn't had the brexit vote yet
ceefar fair enough!
They'd be in the exact same position if they have another vote. In both 2014 and today leaving the UK will mean leaving the EU and in both cases they would have to apply from scratch, a process that would take years. If Brexit happens and everything is fine, none of the huge problems and ruined economy that Remainers predict, then the call for leaving will fall away. The choice will be leaving a union with the UK to join a union with the EU, but having up to a decade of isolation AND facing having to have a hard border with England. That border staying open was a key promise Alex Salmond made in 2014 and the issue in Ireland has made it clear that it will be impossible. Scotland joining the EU WILL mean a hard border with England. And Scotland will just be swapping rule from Westminster to rule from Brussels. Scots have more representation in London than they will in the EU. Two of the previous four British Prime Ministers were Scottish. I can't see a Scottish EU President in the near future....
"Those pre-Brexit times"
Ahhh yes, those were the days
Andrew Robert The pre Roman times. Remember those days.
@@leehaiko3999 what a throwback, how could I ever forget
I never thought I would look back and say "I miss 2015." I could've lived with Scotland staying in the UK if it wasn't for all this Brexit shite. Now we're set to be dragged out of the EU and have Boris Johnson as the next PM. Can't wait...
@@leehaiko3999 Still better then what is going to happen when brexit (or even no deal Brexit) occurs.
The UK should just cancel the whole thing.
Even if they leave, its only a matter of time till they get forced back into it.
TheWinged Hussar forced by whom? The real people in power?
I'd love to see more arguments about Scottish independence!
TLDR News is brilliant! Loved it from the beginning :)
@manny022 you join voluntarily, what kind of submission is that? And also there's nothing better for Scotland than to be independent and finally stop being England's slave.
@manny022 yes the EU is European suffering, European collapse, European genocide. Plain and simple.
@Allington Marakan If the Scottish government declared independence without legal permission from Westminister in the form of a referendum it would not be able to join the EU and thus destroy the main justification currently being used to push for another vote in the first place. That is the one situation in which mentions of a Spanish (and others) veto would prove true. Nations don't tend to look fondly on unilateral declarations of independence. So doing less name-calling and more research would probably benefit you.
@@MSuyay Scotland is not Englands slave. If you think that, you have no idea what the situation in Scotland actually is.
@Pádraig O'Gallochoir The EU does state all new members should join the Euro and while Scotland could attempt to create its own currency it would only be temporary. Also within the UK the Scottish parliament is getting more powers and in fact doesn't use all of them now, whereas the EU is taking more control so balance is going the other way. There had to be some fiscal convergence because our economies and economic cycle are basically the same. You would need to consider the vast trade Scotland does with the UK 80% plus, would it continue at that rate. Would you continue to be happy handing control of VAT and corporation tax to the EU with us on your doorstep?
Big shout out to the government for putting together a curriculum that taught me this in school... Oh wait, nope... I'm learning it now... at 29... from TH-cam
If schools did there JOB there wouln't be a Brexit to begin with...
@@Wayoutthere I don't think the schools had anything to do with it tbh... (and btw it's their)
Lol
@@aidsandfire Lived in Scotland 8 years. From 8 till I was 16. Independence was teased but I left 2010. The independence debate had calmed down. Now though it seems everyone I knew wants independence so they can pull out the UK and into the EU which makes 0 sense at all. Out of the frying pan into the fire.
i learned in scottish school lmao
Love the content my dude good luck with the channel.
Objective non partisan political information, such a breath of fresh air these days. Keep it up, you deserve 10 times as many subs.
Sorry, about the air, just faded, the smell will disapate soon
@@philcooper279 what do you mean?
Love to see more arguments on a Scottish independence.
Notice there was no mention of 'English votes for English laws' from the Conservatives, which has basically sowed more discontent than was there previously.
English votes for English laws is worth a video of it's own.
The video pretty much explains why its a nonsense rgument. Westminster can overule ny devolved parliment, and england has a vast majority of MP's in westminster so it is essentially just the english parliment anyway, as you can see in action with the the brexit mess in westminster with scotlands voice being findamentally ignored.
Federalise the UK along the same borders as the EU constituencies (ironically). With that each constituency is a minority in the country. And it allows each are to develop their own political identity.
The so-called West Lothian Question was named after a man called Tam Dalyell, who used to be an MP for West Lothian in Scotland. ... Basically, it is asking why Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs have the same rights to vote in Westminster as English MPs on laws that will only impact England.Sep 25, 2014
@@Paul-zk2tn exactly. I'd love to see a tldr video for that!
So if anyone's counting that's 3 democratic referendums that the SNP wanted to over turn.
1979 devolution referendum.
2014 independence referendum.
2016 Brexit referendum.
The SNP obviously does not like democracy.
LMAO, how hilarious would it be for Scotland to leave the UK and take like 2/3 of the UK's fishing grounds and oil fields with them, after the UK wanted to leave the EU for control over their waters in large parts?
How long would it take for Scotland to join the EU after their secession? And would they adopt the Euro?
They’d have to adopt the Euro and Schengen and everything else in the Lisbon Treaty.
They would have to adopt the euro. Only the UK has a permanent opt-out from the monetary union. All other member states have to adopt it at some point. There's no date set for those that haven't yet, though.
@@AtheistEve I don't think Schengen is a requirement and everybody screws over the EU when it comes to obligations like joining the Euro. What s REALLY unlikely for Scotland to gain extra perks over are things like opt-outs on certain Eu laws or rebates like Britain has. Those do require quite a lot of power to obtain in negotiations.
But they won't be able to adopt the Euro, without being part of the EU, which all major countries have said they'll block their membership. It's ridiculous people are ignoring this simple and well documented fact. Scotland are out of the EU, no matter what.
@@AtheistEve This is a very good thing , the sooner we get the Euro & Schengen the better before the £ sinks out of sight with the car crash out Brex=shit . I mean does anyone think Brex=shit is going to be a great success ? When we all know it'll be a very up hill job to stop it being an utter clusterfuck .
I find it interesting that the 1979 referendum required that 40 % of the total electorate voted for it. Meanwhile only 38 % of the total electorate voted for brexit.
(I'm not British btw).
Then keep out of it.
Personally I think that having a set benchmark for the electorate to hit is a bad system. If some of the electorate don't bother to turn up then their votes shouldn't be tallied to maintain the status quo.
@Matt x69x 52x0.7221 = 37.5492%. It checks out.
Kim Kobusch no its 75 referendum not 79
@Hordriss And Trolls should stay out of human politics, so piss off.
Scotland voted by 62% to remain in the EU. The people have already chosen.
Your welcome to it. dont come crawling back when that thing sturgeon messes Scotland up again😝😭
Who the fuck would want to come crawling back...if we are a burden go write to Boris Johnson asking him to sign a section 30 order for us..that's all that is stopping us leaving right now...and I'lf we are such a burden why do English politicians come to Scotland to beg us to stay and save what they call the precious union..makes me want to vomit..
bob a job your a plum
@@Tam10101999 I sent this to boris for y dont need section 30 you need section 4
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No, Scotland didn't vote to remain in the EU because Scotland is not a member of the EU. The UK, which is a member of the EU, voted to leave.
A good video, but you missed out a core point.
Better Together campaigned that voting No would be the best way for Scotland to lose it's EU membership. Over 90% of EU nationals living in Scotland voted No as a result. David Cameron advised EU nationals to vote No to maintain their legal right to live in Scotland.
Then he announced the Brexit referendum to which EU nationals were not allowed to vote. Talk about two timing.
He also promised more investment in Scotland and its infrastructure by Westminster if the country voted to remain, but then cancelled that plan 2 days after the result in 2014.
Two timing who? the Scottish people who voted to leave ignored in favour of like-minded anarchist whos only reason for living is to see the destruction of the U.K
@charlie freeman I don't think it sounds particularly nationalist, in most countries only citizens of that country are allowed to vote in referendums and elections afaik.
@MrNotadream because they live in the UK you tit. UK nationals living in eu countries are allowed to vote in those countries.
@MrNotadream Depends on what kind of election. EU nationals living in another member state have the right to vote in the local elections of that member state even if they are not a citizen. In European Elections, they can choose to either vote in their country of residence or their country of nationality. Regional and national elections are not covered by the treaty but of course, this doesn't prevent member states from giving non-nationals voting rights, the UK does this with citizens of the commonwealth and Ireland.
God, Scotland leaving would break my heart, but... i really wouldn’t blame them.
Smith Movies In an ideal UK Scotland stays and everyone moves on as a country together. It’s just a shame that doesn’t look possible for us. Last time a lot of it was spun as some sort of “braveheart fuck England” from some sides and it really just isn’t the case. Sure there are some English hating Scots but that’s really not where all of this comes from. Boris Johnson will be the tipping point I think.
The thing is, Scottish nationalists bang on about how theirs is a socialist movement, and yet their argument for leaving is essentially "England is a basket case" and we need to look after ourselves first.
They aren't wrong about that, but since when was abandoning basket cases a socialist thing to do? Scotland, England needs your help!
@@alexpotts6520 I'd agree if Scotland had not tried to help for the last 3 years! Problem is that no one in Westminster is taking Scotland seriously and would not accept any help. At some point Scotland needs to look after itself.
@@cchmfc1 in my experience, the Scots in general are better educated and less susceptible to vile propaganda than the English, who seem to have lost all hope and reason. There are fervently anti English Scots (I happen to have an English accent and it wasn't always pleasant to live with that kind of bigotry). But on the whole, Scottish independence was about preserving the welfare state and sense of community, whereas the English are nihilistic in dismantling those things because they see an injustice in "non English" people having access to them, without realising that all that will result in is self sabotage on a huge scale.
@@xeniamenzl340 "We've tried putting money into the welfare system but there are still homeless people. They aren't helping themselves. We may as well give up on the welfare system altogether."
Voted no to independence in 2014, most definitley will be voting yes in a second indyref now
A lot has happened in 5 years though, this little thing called Brexit happened for instance.
It is laughable that the brexit brigade bash on about soverignty in the EU debate but then deny it in this one... The first referndum was voted on with the understanding and threats from westminster that yes meant they would block EU membership, it was pretty much their main argument, fast forward and a pro EU scotland is being dragged out regardless and being ignored in the debate.
Are you talking about yourself or Scotland as a whole?
Bit of backstory: I live in the north east of Scotland and voted no in 2014. At the time it made sense to not upset the status quo. Aside from the downturn oil, things overall seemed ok. I can understand peoples motives for voting yes and I can agree on some points. but what really scared me was the uncertainty around currency, boarder issues and EU memebership.
Fast forward to 2019, and Brexit has really changed the minds of a lot of people, including myself.
It seems to me that the only chance of Scotland being part of the EU is to break away from the Union and apply for membership (here's hoping spain don't disagree)
same here. I'd much rather be in the eu and out of the uk than the other way around.
I rarely comment, but this topic is exceptionally fascinating. Please keep up the good work!
Also worth noting. A big part of the Better Together campaign was saying that an independent scotland would have to leave the EU and rejoin. It was also said that Spain would veto scotland joining the EU. Since then Brexit has happened and a big reason for wanting to stay in the union is now gone. It has also emerged that the spanish veto was not true.
The Better Together campaign never said Spain would veto Scottish entry into the EU - the major argument was over whether Scotland could roll over its membership of the EU that it had as part of the UK.
Regarding the Spanish veto - Spain will not veto Scottish entry into the EU so long as it has a legal vote to separate from the UK.
@@Pizza23333 Unfortunately I really think they would, just to make sure that catalonians are scared enough to not become independent, I'm spanish btw.
They're also giving Ireland some trouble over Rockall, just saying. Yeah, we're probably too spineless to veto (if it gets to the point where we could consider that appropriate), but the divisive threats over the rock will not be forgotten. Wishing Scotland the best, from one "Celtic Cousin" to another, but I don't see the Rockall dispute as being wise for the long term.
@@Tomas-tx9sv I'm not particularly versed in Spanish politics, so I cannot say if they definitely will or won't, I can only go by what they've said. What has been said across multiple Spanish governments is that Spain won't veto as long as there is a legal vote.
So hear me out this is crazy but if scottland leaves uk Spain will block entrance to eu do to it not wanting to set the example for Catalonia to do the same so this is what should happen england should leave the uk and take whales with it and north ireland and scottland should become the united kingdoms of scottland and northern ireland then since the uk is part of the uk scottland remains in the eu and egland gets its hard boarder at Hadrian wall( its a joke) but in all seriousness after awhile northern ireland should be given the option of joining the rest of ireland and thus leaving scootland by itself and then it should rename itself scottland
I love that you've taken the time to make a Brexit video from Scotland's perspective!
Well someone has to, considering the government has not.
We don't want to be part of the EU nor do we want the euro, It will destroy Scotland.
@@kieranblckie5521 Nah it won't, lol.... this is exactly the hyperbole you get from people have have no idea what the fuck is going on around them. Get informed and quit guessing. How exactly will it destroy Scotland? Especially considering Scotland has been part of the EU along with the rest of the UK for the past 3 decades?!?!?!
There is a more direct connection. If Brexit is a success, then it provides a model for Scotland's own exit. If Brexit is a disaster, then it becomes another reason for Scotland to get out. And on top of that, almost every single argument put forward for Brexit can be adapted and pointed to, North of The Border, simply by substituting "UK" for "EU", and "Westminster" for "Brussels".
I dont think the left leaning SNP would start using populist retoric to get it over the line tbh... but who knows.
They can, but also, all the arguments for leaving are total bollocks. Draw your own conclusions.
@@MrBoboiscool Are you kidding? Theirs is the prototype populist movement! (And a lot of the drivers for Scottish independence are far less progressive than is commonly claimed. Progressivism means helping those in need; England is most definitely in need now, and leaving us for dead is most assuredly not progressive.)
@@alexpotts6520 Sure, all nationilist parties are in a way populist. But the form of populism that won teh day in teh brexit debate and farage drives is right leaning populism with nationlism based on patriotism and light xenophobia with harconing back to the gool ol days without remembering all the shit that went a long with it. The SNP dont really drive the wedge of 'damn english, coming up here taking our jobs' and there are no good ol days to hark back to to tickle the older generations nostalgia bone.
Really depends what you mean by progressive, an international scotland with ties to its other neighbours which it uses for growth of its own economy? Where freedom of movement is welcome due to their contribution to soceity and culture. I am not a nationalist personally, I think the idea of nationalism is an outdated contruct in modern society, but I can see why scotland would want to leave, ignored in the brexit debate and the EU is much more fitting with its ethos.
@@MrBoboiscool That would make sense but Scottish nationalism was popular well before anyone had even coined the word "Brexit".
And in previous decades, especially following Scotland's North Sea windfall, there was certainly an element of "bloody English people, taking our oil" to the separatist movement.
I was against Scottish Independence in 2014. I am now for it.
Same
And I understand why....
@Dr Dimpy Rambo it wont be long befor they are on the knees begging to come back😝
We're better together. 🇬🇧
ImmortalTyrant2 we were better together 🇪🇺
One of the main reasons I was against independence is because Scotland may not have been able to get admitted to the European Union.
Now that the UK is no longer in the EU, that is no longer a worry.
Whatever happens, France will forever be Scotland’s most steadfast ally. The Auld Alliance never dies! 🏴🇫🇷
Enjoy a second Greece then
Awww thanks buddy.
@@memenecromancer4417 No thanks to you.
dibs on the whisky for germany.
@@CharalamposKoundourakis ok
A good video but using Scottish parliament and assembly interchangeably isnt quite right, as an assembly has different and more limited powers. Scotland's parliament comes with a certain degree of innate powers over an assembly, compared with for example the Welsh assembly vs scotlands parliament
I agree with what your saying and it is right but it must also be noted that the parliament itself was redefined as such in 2007 when the SNP came to power so there is a chronological problem as well that he was not entirely sensitive to .
You are correct, but just for fun I thought I'd mention that the Welsh Assembly secured an upgrade to full parliament status going into effect 2021.
@@jamesmcabla1772 Since it was restarted in 1999 it's been the Scottish Parliament. The SNP changed the name of the executive group from "Scotish Executive" to "Scottish Government" in 2012 though.
hairyneil yes my apologies I mixed the two up.
Honestly, I'm more interested in Scottish independence than brexit. If things continue as they have I believe that Scotland will leave the union. The support for it has Risen significantly, most EU nationals living here, myself included, would vote for it now.
Do you think the Scottish people you know will be happy to accept the Euro and Schengen?
@@AtheistEve The ones I know? Aye. But then again I live central and in Uni heavy area so it's not surprising.
I do think that while may independence fans don't like the idea of getting in bed with the EU they are severely outnumbered but that's just my gut feeling.
think scotland is not taking into account the fact that they'd only enter the EU if, and only if, everysingle member state votes yes and thisis not a given. countries like Spain, France, Italy and Germany have pro-independence political movements too in some of their regions (catalonia, venezia, Babiera, corsica, etc) and one of the big arguments against independence is that those regions would be inmediately outside the single market and EU.
Every country with a regionalist independentist movement would vote NO to their entry
You do realise Spain is guaranteed to veto Scotland joining the EU as they are petrified that if they don't Catalunya will gain independence?
@@becomingfr33 and germany, and italy, and france... Pro independence people are just delutional
Scotland did not "join the UK in 1707" the United Kingdom Of Great Britain was formed by 1707 by acts of parliament of the Kingdom of England and Wales and the Kingdom of Scotland.
Edit: The Kingdom of Great Britain, not the united kingdom, that was formed between 1800-1801
True, that is more accurate, just semantics though, so the story arch is right :)
@@blazednlovinit Maybe, but most people outside the UK have no fucking clue how it works, so I think its important to cover it all.
John MacDonald true..
Yep 1707 was the year England bailed out a bankrupt Scotland.
@@swallowdalert Mate, I was making a simple correction. Not trying to have an ahistorical nationalistic wanking game.
TLDR I'd buy a shirt with a Welsh flag model on it
Just admit it; you want a dragon shirt but don't want to look nerdy wearing it, don't you?
@@markkond8565
Mate, if you think that they'll avoid being nerdy by wearing a shirt with the Welsh flag on it (correction actually, a picture of Wales with the flag lain overtop, along with limbs and googly eyes) then I'm afraid you've got another thing coming XD.
So would I.
'model'?
Wales be flag in the world and anthem
The Union died in 2016. I think Scotland leaving is inevitable and as an Englishman this saddens me. However if it's their desire then I wish them all the best. I'm more worried about what a no deal will do to peace in Northern Ireland or if Parliament will be prorogued - imo a nightmare scenario for our democracy. Also a proroguement will put the Queen in a very difficult situation.
S. P There are already unrests happening in Derry, if Farage and his ilks actually bulldoze this hideous thing through, that would possibly mark the comeback of Troubles.
I agree. Its just a matter of time. With Brexit hardship ahead it will just accelerate the demand for independence. Also, you have to consider that the Queen is quite old. I think a lot of Scotts won't have the same attachment to the crown under King Charles as they did before.
If enough people believe the Kingdom to be dead, then it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. There are so many leeches hiding in positions of power right now that seem to want to take countries like the UK and exacerbate their unique internal issues to carve them apart and rule them via the market like little feudal fiefdoms. It's disgusting.
You know that they get banned from entering the EU again ?
Once you leave or get Independence the EU will tell you to "fuck off and Never come back"
Why do you Think catalonia still havent got Independence?
And btw its a middlefinger to Margret fetchers whole career (Not that i like her at all, in fact i hate her son and i Think this guy should get exectuted for what hes done)
@John Small you know that the IRA didnt gave a fuck?
Look at londonderry....
And btw i wouldnt Call them Terrorist at all...
Remember the uprising?
1967 was not The Scottish National Party's first parliamentary seat.
Dr Robert McIntyre won the first seat for The Scottish National Party in a by election at Motherwell and Wishaw in 1945.
footnote in our modern history.
Kyle McMahon wrong
@@louisbeerreviews8964 No, YOU are wrong. On 13 April 1945, McIntyre won the Motherwell by-election, with a narrow majority of 617 votes over his Labour opponent.
Come Scotland, join us! Norway got its independence from Sweden 100 years ago and we are rocking it!
Scotland won't get Independence.
Yes and you just said, "We're off, bye'.
@Allington Marakan you guys wouldn't last a day with your weak ass legal systems along with your sensitive leaders. Scotland should be stripped of a parliament, lucky we even gave you one.
@Allington Marakan Even canada hasnt fucked up as bad as the scottish
I think England will benefit the most from the break up of the UK. It means we won't be able to give the Celtic leeches anymore welfare
Would love to see a Scottish independence video covering economic risks and potential as well as EU entry requirements and if they will meet them. Big ask I know 👍🏽
Scotland has been offered automatic entrance to the EU once they're independent.
@Sebby 94 Using the words lie and fake news means nothing, either explain why it is a lie or STFU.
@@jimbabalou It's what is known as the Barroso doctrine that was outlined in the last 2014 vote. Scotland has to reapply and would not get automatic membership. International organisations don't work like that.
Jock Duff even if we had to reapply would we potentially be able to skip to the front of the queue so to speak?
@@SparkyClarke That is less clear. It isn't like Scotland would have to wait for another country to become a member first simply because they applied before, as some might be tempted to think when the word queue is used, but there is a process a country has to undergo in order to join.
Some have suggested this would be easy as Scotland is already an EU member as part of the UK - so in theory, already meets the requirements. But there are potential issues. The UK was a fairly early member when it joined in the 1970's, so there could be some aspects Scotland could have to meet that it didn't in the 1970's and thus sidestepped when they were introduced. personally, I don't think this would be a major issue - but it is a potential stumbling block.
More pressing issues revolve around the UK's opt-outs and exceptions it had as part of the EU. Scotland, as a new member, has to negotiate a new position if it was an independent state. So if it wanted to keep any of the UK's opt-outs or negotiate new ones for itself (like, say, fishing rights and such), that would take time and thus add to the amount of time outside the EU.
Scotland could join the EEC, like Norway, and negotiate full EU membership from there - but that has its own disadvantages and would still take time to join.
All I can say for certain is that the EU pretty roundly rejected the idea Scotland could negotiate full EU membership in 18 months, as was floated by then SNP leader Alex Salmond in 2014.
So, potentially a few years outside the EU or longer is a safe bet. But no one is entirely certain given its unchartered waters.
I'm Scottish, a supporter of independence, I'm very happy to see the frank and unbiased analysis in this video and would love to see more videos on the prospects of Scottish independence in the future.
Thanks so much for your great work TLDR News!
Out of curiosity, I'm going to assume (perhaps wrongly) that you're for scottish independence from the UK but would like Scotland to be part of (governed by) the EU. Is that the case?
think scotland is not taking into account the fact that they'd only enter the EU if, and only if, everysingle member state votes yes and thisis not a given. countries like Spain, France, Italy and Germany have pro-independence political movements too in some of their regions (catalonia, venezia, Babiera, corsica, etc) and one of the big arguments against independence is that those regions would be inmediately outside the single market and EU.
Every country with a regionalist independentist movement would vote NO to their entry, they are f*cked
Can I just say you lot have always been greedy we pay for alot of your free stuff. You voted remain in the referendum and demand you be heard. We are a democracy Scotland has around 6 million people in it England has over 40 million people in it so in the nicest way possible stfu. If you want to leave fine we don't need you join the EU and have your own money drained from you because if England leaves the money has to come from somewhere and it'll be you lol
@@hordegaming4771 You could not be more wrong in your analysis.
Horde Gaming WRONG! Scottish people do get more spent per capita, but we’re also taxed more, the block grant we get is a fraction of the money raised here, Scotland has been a net contributor to the U.K. economy for decades at this point
I would definitely be interested on hearing more about this topic.
More on this topic , please. Thanks for making these videos.
Why the same system was not used during the Brexit referendum?? Remain and Leave votes should have been compared to the total registered voters.
I would say it is a very important issue and deserves a similar approach (may be not as important as sovereign independence, but pretty close).
Maks_st Sovereign Independence was definitely a main issue during the Brexit referendum and yes it is odd that the Scottish Referendum was overwhelming more organised than the Brexit one. The Yes side had to present a plan whereas the Leave side did not.
It’s probably down to Cameron’s ego, he won Indyref and didn’t care about the Brexit one, thinking he would win (Remain) again.
@@dankjae Yes that's pretty much it, Cameron didn't think the result of the vote would be to leave as they where holding the referendum purely to make the more Euroskeptic wing of his party (and voting block) fall in line.
The Brexit ref had some of the highest turnout of any UK vote ever held. What on earth are you complaining about this time? You lost fair and square, stop trying to overturn democracy because you don't like the result.
The 2014 referendum was a binding resolution, which meant that the will of the people would have to be honoured. However, in contrast, the 2016 Brexit vote was not binding, but simply an advisory vote. Meaning that Westminster was (and still is) under no legal obligation to leave the EU just because the people voted how they did.
Which is why the courts have not overruled Westminster due to the Leave campaign having violated numerous election laws in the run-up to 2016 (including overspending) after the results were challenged in court. If it had been binding, then the referendum results would have been nullified and Article 50 revoked by order of the courts, and Britain would have needed another referendum to ask the same question without Leave violating the rules.
With NI rejoining either Eire or Scotland, what remains is going to be called:
Formerly United Kingdom of England and Wales - FUKEW.
Not all heroes wear capes 🤣
currently
Formerly United Kingdom of England and the DUP.
fucked
And you
OH I laughed at that! Love it!
@@artit91 Wouldn't that be FUKEDup?!? ;-)
It is important to mention that during run up to the 2014 vote, both Labour and the Tories worked very hard to convince people that it was a bad idea. They made promises and so far none of them have been upheld. If there is a second referendum, expect the full force of Westminster's influence with the media to negatively impact the SNPs perceived standing.
The SNP played all sorts of tricks to try and swerve the vote. They still lost.
Mark Brown I am STRONGLY in favour of independence as in very little will dissuade me from voting yes in Indy ref 2, still labour and the tories gave Scotland new powers in 2016 in the Scotland act (2016), i still think it wasn’t enough still they did it.
In 2014 we were told by the 'better together' campaign that the best way to stay in the EU, was to stay in the UK. It was supposed to be a once in a generation vote, unless there was material change, that material change is Brexit and the harder the Brexit, the larger the support for independence.
Going full time! Good for you, man. Doing great
Brexit could well be the beginning of the break up of the uk, especially with the prospect of irish reunification; brexit, ireland's strengthening economy and a demographic shift are 3 big reasons for this. and as for scotland, you've seen it in the video. we could be in for some very interesting, historic years ahead.
Plot twist: Scotland united with Ireland and Northern Ireland
Isaac Aren United Republic of Ireland and Scotland.
Enter Poblacht Gaelach / Poblachd Gàidhleach *waves imaginary flag*
@@grijnskat1879 A green flag with the white scottish cross wouldn't look half bad
We don't want the religious zealots in Ireland/Northern Ireland. Scotland is significantly less conservative than the Irelands.
@@TheSpacecraftX Can't speak for Northern Ireland but in Ireland, it's mostly the older generation that's conservative. Teens and young adults are extremely liberal. Even a bit too much
Scotland leaving would destroy both Britain and the UK as political units. Honestly, a fitting consequence for what was basically an English coup on NI's and Scotland's rights as EU citizens, given how disproportionately the vote turned out.
Alba Gu bràth 🏴🏴
Cymru Rhydd 🏴🏴🏴
will gaj Like 10% of welsh people want independence lol
Our day will come
@@willgaj you would need something like BoJo as a prime minister to convince the rest :)
A United Ireland and a free Scotland 🇮🇪🤝🏴
Aye but either way the bombs are back in Belfast. 😥
Scotland locked into EU membership hardly seems independent to me
Aye mun 😁
@@mfoco1 How come? They can leave whenever they want. Like the UK now, for example.
@@mfoco1 EU members are still independent, it just means open borders and keeps trade cheep.
Ah Brexit, the mess that keeps on giving.
It’s only a mess because of labour
hardly. Labour isn't the government and hasn't been since mid 2010. Tories had a majority, then blew it, and had to bring in the DUP. The tories can't agree on anything. If they could, we'd already be out, no matter what Labour thought.
@@bobdillion440 Or the fact the idiots who proposed it did not have a plan.
An now will force the UK to go through a very unnecessary hard time. Less prosperous, less say in its own economic affairs, lose control over the borders, and even lose threaten violence if they break the treaty it has with the IRA/Ireland (aka will lose territory). That is not even including the unseen nasty stuff we can't see.
@@bobdillion440 it's a Tory creation, overseen by a Tory government. The idea of calling a referendum was a mess to begin with. Hence why the architect of this mess swiftly ran away from it the day after the result. To say Labour is to blame for this makes no sense.
TheWinged Hussar how many plans did May put forward? how many where turned down by labour all but 1 so yes it is them that made it into a mess, look at the latest vote comrade corbyn tried to make it so a no deal brexit wouldn’t happen and his ow fucking party voted against him
"..when the UK gets around to leaving." :-)
2098
@@TheBayzent Better if England and Wales leave the UK.
@@TheBayzent WIll be sooner than you think.
Brexit oriented parties basically swept the elections.
We are leaving this month. January 31st!
History of relations between England and Scotland before WWII?
Basically Scotland put all their national wealth in a chest and sailed to Panama with colonial ambitions. It completely failed, the country went bankrupt, and there was the act of union between it and England as a bail out.
@@jebbo-c1l UK looted India to fund Scotland
Michael James But in the end the Scottish earned personal union over England and formed the union England and Scotland with wales to make Great Britain 🇬🇧
@Michael James Yea not blaming the people of Scotland at the time. It was obviously an incredibly simplistic statement meant as a joke
Wasn't a good one, Churchill sent the tanks to Glasgow
Hope your boss knew you were quitting before she saw this video!
Did you just assume her gender?
@@nerezza6517 would you have asked this question if he had assumed the boss was a 'he'?
@@Ronnet Yes I think I would have. It was a joke going off the back of Jason Todd's comment, the gender aspect wasn't overly important. But now I've explained the joke, and it's now a dead joke so...
I wouldn't quit my Daytime job for TH-cam. Not after what is happening with TH-cam right now.
He's not relying just on TH-cam, though. Check out his Patreon page. He's got 826 patrons earning him $4,712 per month. Even if he got thrown off TH-cam tomorrow he'd survive just fine.
André Niemand He’s young enough to take that risk.
Big risk, big reward.
If you survive while a lot of channels get banned you will have a lower competition and bigger audience.
@@marcuscross8051 TH-cam are famous for demonetising all independent news outlets for covering controversial topics, and Patroeon is currently under fire for banning many users arbitrarily without any justification in the terms of service
The experience he's getting from this channel makes will make him very employable if he decides to get another job.
I REALLY don't want the UK to break apart, any further! Am I the only one?!
No you have 2 likes
I wish the rest of us had the option of leaving anytime something we disagree with happens.
All I know is that here in Germany, Scotland apparently does TH-cam ads asking us Europeans to keep visiting them. Which I will.
Same here. We love Scotland and hope that Scots will rejoin us within the EU after Brexit happened.
As a Scot living in the EU I approached this video with dread....but was pleasantly (and thankfully) surprised!
Same dude.
just for curiousity: how would scottish citizenship be defined to distinguish between natives eligible to vote and become EU citizens again and "third party non-EU rest of UK" ?
@ryn mcray Nationalism has nothing to do with Ethnicity don't mix shit. You can be a foreign born citizen living in a different country and still feel Patriotic or Nationalistic of the country you live in. Just like Grandfather feels about Venezuela while being an Italian born citizen.
When North sea oil was struck they said there was enough to buy every man woman and child a house. Now there is not enough accommodations for the homeless. Give the oil to the Scottish instead of lining the pockets of the rich.
SNP would probaly misuse it too all their freebies actually benefit the better off of Scotlsnd because they enjoy free prescriptions and probably benefit more from free tuition fees. So no matter how much they say they care about the poor the better offf benefit just as much
@@lindawarwick8643 no such thing as freebie, they're all tax funded.
Sounds like Venezuela.
That is what the Norwegians did.
Can you or have you do a video about the union history? I feel like i have a missing link there like how this big union come together
Scotland was broke and needed and wanted to trade with the colonies so they signed up and then flourished . Had they not they would have stayed bankrupt but the English payed of there bills for them. And it will happen again if they go for independence because the eu have no need for any more p poor tiny countries .
@Allington Marakan My god when you go blind in one eye you really do go blind. If that what you believe your as mad as nippy. "borrow a huge sum of money from the Scottish treasury" Lets have some proof from you on that one.
The missing link is the poison little barsteward who poses as the first minister.
@Allington Marakan Seldom have I seen so many accurate unwelcome truths, delivered with such vigour and passion, to such wilfully ignorant self blinkered numpties. I agree with everything you said above. But we'll never truly have our homeland back until we have full sovereign independence. Neither shall Scotland be all that She can be, until the wrongful possession of our lands is restored to those of us who seek to properly steward it as both natural environment and productive homesteads. I think it's high time the posh speaking English who call themselves 'Lairds' were told:
"You can keep the house and 4 acres, the rest belongs to the people who have the right to settle and improve the land, as freehold stewards."
That would be a Scotland that would prosper, and be worth fighting for.
England: "Better not leave the UK or you'll be kicked out of the EU. BTW were leaving the EU and you have no choice but to come with us."
Nobody:
UK: I'm gonna create absolute social economical and political chaos for myself now
Basically Brexit
Then Scotland leaves the UK and takes 70% of the UK's natural resources with us.
England wants Scotland's oil? Pay for it!
right on! independecy all the way!! independency for brittain! independency for scottsland! indenpendency for ireland! wooo all the way
The Dutch news reported yesterday that the Eems harbour, a Northern harbour in the Netherlands, has been contacted by Scottish officials. Being worried about their free trade being dragged down along with the UK, they have made arrangements for trade ships to continue business as usual. Independence or not, the Scottish are making substantial preparations to minimise the backlash accompanying a possible No Deal Brexit.
Could you do a video of Northern Ireland leaving the UK since Brexit has a similar effect going on
Connor Lonergan wrong Northern Ireland aren’t leaving the uk after brexit
@@louisbeerreviews8964 Neither is Scotland the topic is if they should
Ireland would be better off leaving the EU to solve the problem. The EU is going to soon restrict their ability to house these major companies such as Amazon etc. Because its cheaper for them to base there.
@@SJW2511 Apologies if I am not one to weap for large corporations that pay 0 in taxs lose a tax haven
@@ConnorLonergan noone is saying you need to, but it is in Irelands interest to keep them.
Yeah,please make more Scottish independence videos!
Scotland is not happy that Westminster can make their rules and wants to leave, but would rather Europe to make their rules. Hurry up Scotland and leave the UK sick of the constant moaning. You will be bankrupt within five years.
Less.
Yeah, with all that oil and an economy more vibrant than England, we'd really be in trouble, wouldn't we?
Oil is the only thing keeping Sterling afloat. If anyone went bankrupt, it would be England.
@@ThomasTrue
Scotland mass spends. And if you are going to to rely solely on oil then you are asking for trouble.
I look forward to when Scotland ends up in a position like Greece and ends up economic serfs to big German banks and the IMF.
@@ThomasTrue Yeah because it's not like that oil is expected to run out in the near future at all... smh.... And by the way oil isn't our biggest export, it's pharmaceuticals.
Why did you put the union flag on Northern Ireland
The flag of ulster is Northern Ireland official flag
It is only part of Ulster, which has 9 counties, 6 of which form part of the UK, thanks to what are called the "planters". People taken there by King James I Stuart of Scotland and later of England. Of course, in order for him to give them land in Ireland, he had to take it off the Irish. That is what "planting" was all about, a land grab. Then in 1640, taking advantage of the political situation in England, the Irish rebelled and tried to kick out the planters. Then in 1649, the Butcher Cromwell took his "new army" or "Ironsides" to Ireland and massacred some 600,000 Irish people and also sent some to the West Indies, whose descendants are still there and poorer than the blacks.
@@thomasjhenniganw LOL, they should call the Stuarts the *Planter-Genet* Dynasty! :P
It amazes me how Scotland can remain in a Union where their voice can, and is overuled regularly by what is essentially an English parliment.
The English would not suffer this system for a microsecond but they have somehow sold it to the Scots.
Are you kidding? Scotland has their own parliament, England does not. Scotland decides English laws.
It amazes me how the UK can remain in a Union where their voice can, and is overuled regularly by what is essentially an Prussio-Frankish Federation.
@@carbon1255 I think you maybe don't understand the Union fully. The Scottish parliament is basically a jumped up county council. If England decides to invade Iraq or leave the European Union for example. Scotland has absolutely no power to stop the UK doing so.
Interesting fact: If Scotland had of voted 99% to 1% to remain in the EU, the English vote still would have the capacity to overrule them, this is because 83% of the electorate, and therefore parliment, are English. it's very difficult to see how any country would remain in this status quo. (Except for England)
And comparing Scotland's place in the UK to the UK's place in the Europe is an unbelievable display of ignorance in terms of understanding sovereignty.
Carbon 12 Scotland cannot and has never affected English laws. This is a myth and can be easily checked in Hansard.
@Joseph O'Donnell Which is to say it is not a fact and you nor@@Enderwiggan1 ever bothered to research it. If either of you had, you'd have found that Scottish seats directly decided UK governments on many occasions, with the most recent 2017 election being the obvious one, discounting any indirect influence they had often at the top of the political establishment. The main problem being that Enderwiggan1
seems to imply England is a unified political unit, and it is not. But really neither is Scotland. The two have, more often than not, voted along broadly similar patterns.
More pressing, I suppose,
is Enderwiggan1's accusation of "an unbelievable display of ignorance in terms of understanding sovereignty", while they casually describe Scottish devolution as "basically a jumped up county council". If they actually had any understanding on the matter, they'd know that outside of Federal states, of which there are few, Scotland has the most local government of any entity. The vast majority of countries are unitary, so it is pretty ignorant to dismiss Scotlands government as little when it far outstrips that of most others.
Then again, it's all about how you phrase an argument. Enderwiggan1 neglects to mention that the majority of Scotlands population is concentrated in an area known as the central belt. This population would easily be able to overrule other areas of Scotland - the highlands, islands, borders, northeast, areas that have different economic interests and concerns. It is, at the end of the day where you decide to draw your lines on the map and how appealing you want your argument to sound. I imagine their response would be rather muted if the central belt decided an action that drastically impacted these areas.
Interesting fact: If the people who had voted in 2014 but didn't turn out for the EU referendum had voted, and for sake of argument had voted Leave, it would have been enough to flip Scotland from 62% Remain to roughly 55% Leave.
It's funny what you can do, when you twist numbers the right way.
Good luck mate. You are doing true journalism here and deserve to keep doing so. I'll be supporting!
If we could see intae the future. We would have voted YES. We were told that we'd stay in the eu if we stayed with the UK. We were lied to.
You were hugged and then shanked in the back. You were totally betrayed. Like an abusive partner you've been shown no respect and you need to leave.
no, you were not lied, if you were to vote YES in the 2014 then with the independence you would have ended up out of the EU by default. And asking here, don't you see that being part of the EU also goes against countries independence of choosing everything? Leaving the UK, to be part of another Unions while calling for independence does it make sense?
@@neikory look at Ireland and how much they have progressed since they joined the EU. For small countries the EU is a great deal
Try not to be silly. Of course you weren't lied to. What you were told was perfectly true at the time. Even politicians can't see into the future.
WE? I think you'll find a large number of us DID vote YES...well done you for buying into the lie
Excellent as ever. Thank you.
I live in England, I suppose I'm English I always just say British though. I have no issue with the Scottish people and if they want independence. My concern though just across the whole of the EU is nationalism. Nationalism is an increasing issue across the EU. Nationalism is bringing the UK out of the EU and then Scottish nationalism wants to leave the UK with the front of joining the EU again. It's just all disappointing in this day n age. Many of the far right use reasonable points just to cover up their unreasonable ones. Generally I'm a supporter of the opposite, more cooperation, closer together, we're European. There's still a lot of Scottish v English that people get whipped up into when the real issue isn't us as people, it's the politicians. Many of us in the North of England share the dislike of Westminster too.
I think it’s important to note there’s a difference between the inclusive civic nationalism of Scotland and the insular ethnic nationalism we see in other parts of Europe, like England.
@Salterino Kripperino just because someone voted leave doesn't mean the support Westminster, which was what I said. In fact you'll find the vote to leave was an FU to Westminster. And I'm not in any toxic group thank you
@@AnimeOtaku2 true I guess but it's not always easy to tell which are which in regards to those in power
I wouldn't be worried about nationalists, in fact it's healthy. Why do you think people have borders in the first place? It was to keep communities who had similar believes, cultures and values together. When you try to cut these down unnaturally as globalists politicians such as Blair and Obama people will naturally fight back. If you force integration people will end up hating the outsider group than just to let them come in naturally and join the system naturally.
A few Scots hate England because they feel forced to have to play by the rules of The UK as a whole. The English meanwhile get nothing but abuse despite them paying for the Scots to have cheaper unis and more benefits whole not paying their fair share (negative net GDP).
By letting them go they can fend for themselves and enjoy freedom while the English can stop feeling resentful towards how they are treated. Just because your a nationalist doesn't mean you can't co-operate with other nations look at the Olympics and the UN for example.
@@AnimeOtaku2 What rubbish. The SNP likes to dress its nationalism up but nationalism is what it is, and anti English hate.
Why didn’t our Brexit referendum include this clause?
Great point
Sterling Archer Because it was flawed from the beginning ( Vague Question, not taken seriously at first) and possibly because Cameron had a big Ego and think he would win easily (remain) as like in Indyref.
A very fair video on Scottish independence! I am for independence and it’s good to see a unbiased video!
Imagine wanting "Independence" what on Earth could you gain from it? Reliance on oil? Massssssive budget deficits.
Whitey98 Scotland has so much more to offer the world, its the English that are scared THEY will lose their dependence on our oil 🤙
@@conorc725 One thing not really discussed at the moment is that England has a real issue with future water availability. Scotland has a considerable surplus. Add to that Scotland's renewable energy potential and the fact Scotland is at the forefront in the wave power industry. I think oil revenues will pale in to insignificance compared to these in the future
Let's hope they hurry up and leave, we can use the money for the nhs
Don't worry about the NHS. It's back to Victorian times for the plebs. The NHS is already being privatized. It will be asset stripped along with everything else in England.
Can you do a video on the Barnett formula very interesting in regards of Scottish independence
it is quite interesting although i would caution casual views about the Barnett formula which is based on the inaccurate GERS system which bases Scottish Revenue not on actually what is raised in Scotland but instead is an estimate based on a share of total uk revenue divided by the population of scotland and is often used as a means of perpetuating the myth that scotland is subsidized by the rest of the uk. a fact that the many people have pointed out to be wrong and used rather cheaply by union supporters. i am fine with having arguments about scottish independence but misinformation like that is a particular kind of insidious that i really dont care for.
I’d just like to point out that hollyrood doesn’t have almost complete control over taxes
We don’t have control of VAT
Or tax on cigarettes or alcohol
Or road tax
Or most other things
shayne adam road tax doesn't exist anymore btw
tj4234 em yes it does because people who drive and own cars have to pay road tax
shayne adam nope. That's emissions tax and it doesn't go towards roads. Roads (among other things) are financed through council tax. Road tax was abolished in the 60s
There are tax-raising powers already devolved that the imbeciles won't use till they can say it's Westminster's fault that we had to raise them.
@@edwardhowie6102 which powers are those?
Free Scotland 🏴 free Northern Ireland 🇮🇪
@SMEGY 89 the EU is a political and economic union that needs consenseus from its members. Hence why all 27 members need to agree on brexit.
The UK is a union that does not, hence why the remain majorities in Scotland and NI were ignored.
Not only would they be free, they'd also be listened to and count.
@SMEGY 89 There are two types of freedoms. To do what you want and not having to do what you don't want. You lose some of the former to gain more of the later.
India trade talks are the best examples of that. India offered trade deals with the UK in return for preferential Visa application for Indian nationals. Those requirements are not part of the EU - India trade talks.
A member country has only partial control of any agreements but in return, you are protected from the bad stuff you don't like. As a small country where you end up in someones economical cloud anyway, you better sit at the rulemaking table than being a rule taker in any case. That's a pretty good deal for most.
@SMEGY 89 And what freedoms or rights will be taken away? Can you name an example.
@SMEGY 89 so by your own admission scotland and NI would be more free as members of the EU.
The EU moves forward with consensus, the UK obviously does not.
The UK referendum was flawed as it was a weighted one in favour of English issues by virtue of having the largest population. It was not a referendum that treated the members of the UK as equals.
The EU by contrast does. Hence why the EU has stood by Ireland solidly since day one.
@SMEGY 89 Not anyone has the right. Only those that belong to the Union. I guess you have no problem for an Englishmen or Welshmen to live in Scotland or N.Ireland and vice versa. So why should it be a problem for a French or Danish person to live in Germany and vise versa.
Also you haven't answered the question: "What freedoms or rights will the EU take away if Scotland joines?"
The irony is that through this Brexit affair, England has been treating Northern Ireland and Scotland the way the brexiters accused Brussels of treating the UK. in the SCOTLAND referendum of 2014 the FASCISTS of WESTMINSTER said we would not leave the EU! YOU LIED! FREE SCOTLAND!!!
🏴Freedoom is on the way🏴
Lmao your gonna last as long as Catalonia lasted after getting independence.
Hm. Yes.
"Better together"
"Last chance to save the union"
Good to see the Conservatives and Labour are keeping their principles...
Ohh I can’t wait until the U.K. leaves the EU and takes all its money with it. No 39 billion hehehe
@@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362 Can't wait untill Scotland does the same with the oil and their money. ;)
Problem for Scotland is the oil already belongs to the U.K. legally, if they leave, they forfeit the oil by default. Those are the facts I’m afraid 🤷🏻♂️
@@hoggarththewisesmeagol8362
I will have to admit that I do not know exactly how the juridicals are worked out between the member states of the U.K.
The problem with the EU-UK divorce is admittedly that no one had decided beforehand who the promisied money belongs to, according to international law. If the same problem would occur with Scotland, I do not know.
Since they are in charge of their own taxation, they probably would have some similair problems where they have promised money to the long term budget of the UK. But, I am not sure.
But regarding the oil, shouldn't that, as any other natural resource, fall under the rules of UNCLOS since it is at sea.
It would then be inside Scotlands borders and/or Exclusive Economic Zone, which would make the resources theirs.
Unless they at the discovery of the oil made a special contract regarding it that would superecede international law.
Which is possible, but nothing I have heard of. I you have, I would be glad to see it. :)
But otherwise, by the same logic, all other resources in Scotland, be it mines, fields, sheep, or even tax money, would belong to the UK after independence as well, wouldn't it?
Thoribero Caroli you make a good point but Scottish North Sea oil fields have ten years max of production left anyway. The biggest company by far that extracts oil in British North Sea territory is BP which is based in London. Besides that, the British government bailed out the bank of Scotland to the tune of hundreds of billions. So the issue of Scottish independence and it’s right to the oil isn’t clear cut
As an English remainer, I support an Independent Ireland and would have no problem with Scottish independence.
This Union was crippled, and brexit will destroy it.
Find me a country that formed peacefully in the same time period. (You probably can by the way, but it certainly wasnt the norm. Even Switzerland had civil wars)
@@JRWall-hf9mq was reading about Genocide of Dundee that Cromwell did back in the 1600s. Kinda paints the picture, since he's so heavily celebrated in Westminster.
@@Paul-zk2tn That doesn't justify the genocides. And if that's what your nation is built upon, maybe it's time to break it and start again.
@@SystemBD Of course it doesnt, but that isnt an actual argument. The Americans genocided the natives, should they break apart now because of this? The Spanish genocided the moors, should Andalusia be free now directly because of this. I could literally go on and on until the world map is unrecognisable. I just dont see the link sorry. Reasons for political independence are plenty without invoking atrocities committed centuries ago.
*Yes.*
*_Currently in 2019 already 52% of the Scottish voters will vote to leave the UK and join the EU._*
+ From the last referendum 1 out of every 5 Scots that voted to remain in the UK has come to their sences and will now vote to leave the UK and join the EU.
I think that's clear enough ey;) .
What lol...The EU have already stated it would not accept Scotland only if it was part of the United Kingdom..
@@jeremysmith6660 Stop watching the BBC m8.
@TheMadScotsman mckay Nobody asked you cuz,...your English m8.
Stop pretending your a Scot.
Oh yay, so I am Scottish but I really don't want Scotland to go independent, it just doesn't seem to offer much benefits than if we stayed in the UK
Support for Scottish independence from Hongkong
Scottish independance would be very bad for scotland
Don’t be stupid, Hongkong is what is because it was given the opportunity by the British, Scotland and all the UK will be much stronger when we are out of the EU. Unfortunately you cannot leave the grip of China.
Howard Roberts You don't want Scotland to be independent, just as I don't want Hong Kong to be independent. I say this because the British government is interfering in the affairs of Hong Kong，this is an intervention in China's internal affairs
古月july but the majority of hong kong want to be seperate from china the UK is simply trying to help the people as without international support china could simply move soldiers in and force the population into subjucation its nothing new to china to do that, the UK is simply protecting the land that it made, hong kong was a tiny fishing village until britain had control of it.
古月july, The UK are only thinking of the rights of the people and for China to honer the agreement. But coming from a different angle, China is a very big and powerful country and has a very strong economy. Why not just leave Hong Kong alone and just collect the taxes.
It boggles my mind that the UK isn't a federation like the US and Canada. How can the constituent countries feel like they have control over how their nations are run when nearly all governmental power is centralized in England?
And, to be fair, there should be an English Assembly for people in England.
because that's not at all how the UK works... Government power isnt centralised in England... why even make such an ignorant comment?
@@AtheistEve Exactly. Every constituent country should have their own parliament that is secondary to the national one.
it's a much smaller place, the issue is less geography and more economic power, it isn't just a matter of the countries, the north of england is very different from the area around London due to how focused the economic output of the city is, policies made in westminister can easily work for all constituent parts of the uk but often don't, and each very small area needs a much more focused approach due to the economic disparity, & we are one nation, devolution is very very recent, as you can see in this video, it has only just started as a partial solution to the inefficiencies in how the country runs & federalisation is a possible expansion of that in the future, not something that ever would have occured in the past, england actually has some of the most issues due to the central government being settled here rather than elsewhere, since it makes a devolved english parliament or better small regional devolutions far far less likely & instead reliant on cooperatives of local shire councils which has only extremely recently started to really grow, as in they are becoming properly established only right now in the last year/few years.
@@Lord_Lambert It's almost like he didn't even watch the video before commenting. 3:53
They will not leave. At the end of the day they will not give up access to the NHS for anything. We’ve seen this movie before and we know how it ends.
Scotland will be warmly welcomed in the EU after they vote to leave the UK. Let's work together for a bright and just future. Greetings from Germany.
Ahhh no they won't. During the Scottish Independence Referendum the EU flat out told Scotland it wouldn't get any special treatment and would have to apply to join the EU. Add to that Spain and I believe France said they'd block an independent Scotland's attempt to enter the EU.
@@thefurrybastard1964 You're right they won't make it easy for Scotland I highly doubt they be able to join the EU at all. By the way I think it was Belgium not France that wants to block Scotland's attempt to enter the EU.
danke und hallo aus schottland. Alle Freunde hier in der EU.
@@thefurrybastard1964 I have been to France, they support a independent Scotland joining the EU.
@@thefurrybastard1964 Scotland won't get any special treatment. Yes you are right. Scotland will have to go through the same procedure as any other country that wants to join the EU. But Scotland won't need any special treatment as they already easily meet all criteria needed to join the EU.
An excellent, well balanced report. I would pick up a few points, as you say independence is what the SNP is about, not EU membership, indeed in 1975 they led the No campaign in Scotland, opposing EEC membership. If you think about it, if you believe in national sovereignty, as they claim, that's the logical position on EU membership.
So why have they become passionate believers in the EU, well firstly it's that, as you alluded to, it's much easier for Scotland to be independent if both it and the UK were EU members, and it's no accident that the SNPs successful period as coincided with EU membership. Thats why we haven't seen any offer to support the Brexit Deal in return for a referendum on Independence, or some new devolved power. It's important for them to keep England in, so it's easier for Scotland to split away.
Secondly grievance is the SNPs greatest weapon, whether it is historic defeats and massacres, the Poll Tax, Tory Governmests Scots didn't vote for, the oil, and now being dragged out of the EU. All are just weapons in the armoury. The oil is no longer an economic arguement, but that doesn't make the SNP support for independence any less, it was never about the oil. Similarly though there was a surge of angry unionist remainers who said they would back independence, that quickly subsided, the issue of independence is much bigger than EU membership for most Scots on either side of the arguement.
So the impact of Brexit on the Union, it gives the SNP a new grievance to work with, but it makes the actual choice much starker, culturally and economically the rest if the UK is much more important to Scotland than the rest of the EU, choosing between them is a much harder sell. Over All I think the impact is not very great at all.
Would love more videos on Scottish independence 😊keep it up
scottish independence is directly related to the price of oil. when the price of oil is high, the scotts dont need the rest of the uk anymore, but when the price is low they want to be in the uk.
the fact is the eu does not want scotland, because when the price of oil is low the eu will need to subsidise the jacobites like the rest of the uk has to.
11:15 That's not necessarily true. Scotland already issues it's own bank notes from Scottish banks, a Scottish currency pegged to GBP (which was discussed during the referendum) is practically already in place.
Oooh wow I had no idea.... but shouldn't Scotland adopt the Euro if they leave the UK but stay in Europe?
Good luck to Scotland to abandon the sinking ship that is Nationalist England.
Not if they join the EU and continue the path forward to a stable Europe.
Economy still growing, the south east of England is the most productive region in Europe whilst London is the start up capital of Europe and the UK is still attracting more foreign investment than any other country on the continent. Meanwhile Italy is in recession, Germany is on the brink of one and the euro is one financial crash away from imploding completely. What's that you say about a sinking ship?
Nationalist England that has a net migration of around 300,000 people a year 😂. Nationalist England who’s politicians and media are increasingly pushing the woke, intersectional, and diversity narratives 😂
@@paulies5407 tell me who the 1930s was economically kicking ass while the majority of the world was stuck in a depression? I'll give you a clue...they hosted the Olympics in 1936.
Nationalism is a poison from within. Nationalism is a little voice that whispers you'd do better if it wasn't for those people over there. If you listen to that voice you start down the road of your own destruction, and along the whole road that voice will tell you that it's those people over there that hate you.
But hay what do I know maybe it truly will be peace in our time for England this time.
@Denise Bond a relatively rich, white neighborhood...lets be real. 😅
Celtic Union. Go!
Scotland will join Irland to Celtic force in the EU :))
The UK is far too centralised and focused on London and the south east. Federalism should’ve been considered a long time ago
The English would never accept any solution where they had to accept their place as one vote in four. They've never accepted that the UK is anything other than Greater England and they never will. It has to be independence or bust.
When asked my position on Scottish independence, I always argued for a federal system, but not along current boundaries. England should be broken-up between the north, west, and east with London on its own, similar to Washington DC or Canberra. All local power would be devolved to the various assemblies and the UK central government would deal with foreign issues like trade, diplomacy, and defense.
Ricardo S
1. This has nothing to do with the EU. It’s an internal debate within the UK so not sure why you’re bringing the EU up.
2. The EU has 28 (soon to be 27) member states. Each one is legally equal in terms of the EU treaties. Unlike the UK where one country overrules all the others
Daniel Logan-Scott I believe the last Labour government tried to pursue a system of English regional assemblies. They were to be put to referenda but the first in the North East overwhelmingly rejected it so they cancelled the whole idea
centralised? The focus goes there just because the market points there nothing else.
The Scottish National Party’s first Westminster seat was NOT Hamilton in 1967, but was the Motherwell and Wishaw by-election in 1945, won by Dr Robert Macintyre.
iainf1 who cares
True but they lost it like three months later, the SNP only really picked up 1960s
I’ve learned more about the UK from this channel than my government classes. Keep it up! Would love to see more videos on Northern Ireland/Ireland.
Can't wait for arlene to be teachoich haha
We need a video on Northern Ireland post-Brexit politics. Like Scotland, they voted to remain. Could leaving the EU lead to Irish Union or an independent Northern Ireland?
N Ireland could not be independent, we get 4 times our tax take from Westminster, and our politicians cant even run that properly,also and I'm tired saying this,many people who voted to remain would not vote for a United Ireland, and most of the protestant population would vote to stay in the uk,and many Catholics would do the same,the republic has been held up by the eu for 40 years,it now has to pay its way
Yes please! Hit us with that SNP content
I doubt Spain would permit any newly-independent states into the EU.
@Edouard Kanku Very good point. But remember the paranoia over self determination is strong in Spain. They're one of the EU states that refuses to recognize Kosovo. But Gibraltar may tip the balance. And if Gibraltar decides to stay in the EU, as they voted, Spain may make it difficult for them to not be absorbed. Interesting times ahead.
When Boris becomes PM Scotland will leave and join EU.
Phuck Boris. He looks like a British Donald Trump. XD LOL
@Salterino Kripperino What do you mean? I'm not from UK. To me sounds like a reasonable continuation.
The likely-hood of Scotland leaving the UK is actually remote as long as Nicola Sturgeon is in charge of the SNP. The direction she wants to take the country is contrary to what the majority of the people want. She has already introduced bills that the Scottish people are firmly against but had no say in there introduction. I, as a firm believer in "National" governments as opposed to federal systems, think all countries in the world should be independent of one another but be in friendly co-existence!
Scotland is a very rich piece of real estate that has the potential to be one of the most successful democracies in the world!
The problem with the political parties, who want to remain in the EU, fail to recognize they will eventually lose any independence as they will have to accept every piece of legislation handed down from Brussels! They (the remain parties) cling onto the notion that the status quo will be maintained and nothing could be further from the truth!
Can you name your top 5 Westminster achievements, within Scotland, over the last 50 years ? btw, you don't have to mention 10 years of Westminster austerity, Scotland being forcibly removed from the EU against Scotland's will, Westminster's rapidly rising £2.2 trillion debt and £45 billion deficit, nor do you have to mention that brexit is costing £1 billion per week, and you certainly don't have to mention all the Scottish soldiers who were killed in the totally pointless Westminster wars in Iraq and Afghanistan .... you can mention Scotland financing English Lords to £300 + expenses per day in the House of Lords, and you can mention how much Scotland is paying towards HS1 & 2, and how we should appreciate Westminster giving £13 million for ferries to a ferryless company .... over to you Sir.
Got to say, I can't believe you managed to get these videos out so quickly while holding down a job!
England took Northern Ireland please do your facts right.
Nope. The Ulster plantations were mostly Scottish settlers.
Northern Ireland had a referendum and voted to Remain in the UK. No-one has forced them.
Tam Dalyell's name catches many out! It's pronounced dee-EL. Dalziel is pronounced the same.
If Scotland goes, I really hope that Wales follows them
Why would they?
They are politically indistinct from England and are poorer economically. They receive a tonne of money from the EU yet still voted to leave....
@@Paul-zk2tn there is a rapidly growing movement for independence in Wales at the moment so that's one reason (it'll take a while to become really significant obviously). The EU money bit is a good point but it's worth noting that the major cities where the funding was most felt voted to remain - as I just said there this is something that would take a while and require research into how to sustain an independent economy but I think it would gain extreme amounts of traction if Scotland left
i3su _ I'm English...if Scotland goes, I want to be Scottish ☹️
@@sultana1486 Feel free to move here. Thats pretty much all you need to do to remain here, we are nice people i promise
Oh God, I hope not. Having inconsistent signs with two languages is already too much imho. I don't think Wales has anything to be able to survive independently. But yet again, just my current opinion.
Scotland with sneakers.
I WANT A T-SHIRT WITH THAT! Take my money already.
Scotland would TRY and leave the UK for any reason as the SNP don't believe that democracy.