Thatcher was disliked almost everywhere , but she was the right person in the right place when the Falklands war happened . You have to grant that she did the right thing there . Yes lives were lost but it comes down to omelettes etc, etc
@@MrTarmonbarry Spend millions on a bunch of useless Islands annually, Only 5k people live there yet they cost the UK more than Cornwall combined to govern.
@@usernamesample8386 You could apply that to the Shetland and the Orkney islands , would that make it right to abandon them to whoever wanted to take them??
Exactly. They said "strong-armed" for Ireland (understatement of the century) but forget that Wales was literally conquered piece meal over the course of centuries. We resisted and resisted until we couldn't anymore and were finally annexed against our will.
@Orwell 1984 oh ceart go leor. Éirigh as. Ceapaíonn mé bheadh caithionn mé féin ó na slieve dá Éireann ceangailte ar Sasana Grá le Dia. Labhraíonn mé teanga a dó 😱🤣 tá tú liúdramán
"Enland was joined with Wales in 1536". What you mean is that Wales was unilaterally annexed by England's parliament under HenryVIII after having been conquered in 1282 and subsequently brutally subjugated, the latter having been expunged from the historical record. After annexation Wales has been exploited; legal and administrative steps taken in London to destroy the Welsh language. Now Wales is neglected and left to rot by successive Westminster governments, Tory & Labour. If Wales doesn't vote for independence it faces continued neglect and decline. There is no other alternative other than independence of Westminster.
So true. I hope even Cornwall gets devolution at this point. The way Cornish culture and language got exterminated is like Wales on steroids. Thankfully they were barely able to keep their language and culture alive a little.
@@lincolnlog5977the problem is Cornwall just wouldn’t survive on its own. Unlike scotland and (potentially) wales, it is a super rural area of England, and insanely small, so it would probably just collapse upon independence. But hey, I’ve never visited Cornwall so I wouldnt know, I’m just basing my opinion off of what I’ve read
Brexit has nothing to do with a proportion of Scotts wanting to become independent. They have absolutely no interest in being ruled by bureaurocrats in Brussels because thats not independence is it.
Not really. Scotland is a net recipient of taxpayer money and relies on Tourism from the rest of the UK. In the event that Scotland did leave, it would concentrate wealth in England, Wales and NI, cause increased tourism to these areas, turbocharging the remaining UK economies further. I am a bit concerned as to the wider implications on democracy. There are Unionists in Scotland who won the vote in 2014, were told they were never going to have to vote on this again, and here we are in 2021. This is not how UK democracy is supposed to work. There is no sense of fairplay.
@@Dremons7 Well you d prob. more voted for an EU bureaucrat than for a leader in the UK seeing your voting system kills a looooot of votes. Winner takes the whole county, right? Not very democratic at all.
Exactly what I came to the comments to point out. Similar notions about Wales and Scotland 'joining'. Pure ignorance that leaves this video irrelevant.
scot’s don’t want to a lot of my older family died fighting in world wars just the same as many english families, it’s not the 1400s anymore, we have independent cultures and brotherly rivalry but westminster is the enemy not britain as an idea
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country. No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
@@oscarosullivan4513 I'm not denying the mistreatment or anything, but even in comparison to the others a century isn't really short-lived - it's just a bit of an odd term
Idk Man the aunt of my grandfather was born 1917 and she is still alive.. She was alive when Ireland got independent.. I guess it's seems a lot for Americans
"Ireland was brutally invaded, colonised, starved and put under severe laws and punishments if they didn't renounce their culture, language and religion, causing the country's culture to be on the brink of extinction". Hmm seems too long let's say "strong-armed" instead
@Milosh Simonovski There is not a massive difference if any.. but these keep moving. is 38k GBP Lond ; Dublin is 49k EUR = 42k GBP London is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live or commute to. But salary level depends on a lot of things.. it can depend on the costs of living in an area.. it can depend on the type of industry and thus skills the area is dominated by... for example, Silicon valley most likely is skewed by the high paying tech jobs. London has a lot of finance roles.
@@geenkaas6380 so we should grant them another referendum everything the rest of the country wants something different?? Maybe we should all just do what scotland wants just to keep them happy all of the time. We already give them more money and gave them all the powers they need to run their country and the SNP made it worse not Westminster
The failed Darien project did not bankrupt the Scottish state - it bankrupted the individual Scottish noblemen who had personally invested into it. They then sold Scotland out and joined with England to restore their own financial positions.
@Noname Lolnonono im sure we will be fine with our whisky, north sea oil, natural water, renewable energy and our tourism is just fine i think what you mean by 1% tourists London has is its overall population is 1% tourists, considering how london has a larger population than both the countries alone i think we will be fine, thanks
@@jambooooo23 Is that the same North Sea oil that Salmond said would pull in £57bn between 2013 - 18, yet only pulled in £4bn ? That guy also said ‘we will be fine’
How Englands acquirements of Wales and Ireland was phrased in this presentation is very interesting. Also, my history is a bit hazy but Iam pretty certain that the UK did not "give" the Irish their independence, they had to fight for it.
They did grant them their independence because Ireland was simply just a net loss. When Michael Collins came across the sea to negotiate a deal he was threatened with a land invasion of several hundred thousand men (who were all battle hardened from WW1) to restore order in Ireland if he didnt accept the deal, and he saw the deal as a stepping stone to further Irish independence (Ireland was a commonwealth nation at that point)
@@malsmith1618 Yes. They no longer saw any use for Ireland as the UK itself could overachieve Ireland in every regard such as agriculture, textiles, fuel, energy etc. It simply was no longer worth keeping. If they wanted to keep it, it would still be British till this day.
Brexiteers whining in 2015 and 2016: "GIVE US OUR SOVEREIGNTY. EU IS THE EUSSR! THEY ARE FASCISTS FOR NOT GIVING US OUR SOVEREIGNTY!" Scots to Brexiteers: "So, what are you now?" [Even more ironic considering that the UK always had sovereignty as an independent country in the EU with veto rights. Scotland was never sovereign in the UK and possess no veto rights]
Scotland: We want a referendum! UK Parliament: OK there you go. Results in, you lost. Scottish nationalists: We want repeat referendums until we win! 😂 Respect democracy. Respect results. Respect Scotland's will!
Don't talk soft Humphrey! ✊✊!! From 1660s-90s to 1801, did it not occur to you that the penal laws forbade Catholics from practicing law, forced the subdivision of land, the outlaw of the language, the unproportionate use of the judicial punishments, debtors prisons, petty crimes by boys and men were punished by imprisonment to Britain's Australia colony? the list goes on... these are all things used to force, pervert and divide society and the reality made by it, and still practiced to this day. A society that law allowed a dominant minority to accumulate wealth, study law and _influence_ state, governance and public service. But those politicians faced with the 1801 Act of Union gave Ireland up for really nothing at all something called private property.
Here in Wales independence support has grown. We are fed up with England trying to rule us. They are also trying to ignore what devolution was agreed many years ago.
In 1535, the Italian scholar Polydore Vergil wrote that: "The whole country of Britain ...is divided into four parts; whereof the one is inhabited of Englishmen, the other of Scots, the third of Welshmen, [and] the fourth of Cornish people, which all differ among themselves, either in tongue, ...in manners, or else in laws and ordinances.'
1535- Not long before The Plantation of Ulster. I've no horse in the Scottish race but being an Irish resident & citizen, there is little love lost on the Union & monarchy. Scottish Independence would certainly help the cause of all Ireland independence, this century will see the demise of the Union and it won't be a moment too soon!
I can't see Westminster granting any new referendums any time soon. They've all come to realise that devolution was another one of Tony Blair's terrible ideas. Plus, the Scots are completely split down the middle on this issue (gaining independence now could actually be quite damaging for Scotland).
@@martinbonfil5545 They had to fight, then had to stop fighting when it was clear they did not have to fight, so they did not have to fight except for pride, and stopping fighting involved civil war, such was the pride and the idealism involved. Mankind does not have to fight, that is idealism worth fighting for.
Independent Scotland, independent Ireland, independent Whales, independent England. I would admire these independent countries if they manage to achieve their individual independence peacefully and then join in working together to profit and promote each other. PS. Had Britain not left the EU, we would not be having this discussion.
“England had joined with Wales in 1536.” Actually, Wales was invaded and conquered by England in 1282 then ruled as the king’s personal fief. In 1536, it was formally annexed, giving Wales representation in parliament but forcing English law and administration upon it. But sure, just call that “joined” if that makes you feel better.
Weren't there a couple independent tributaries that only got annexed when they tried to become fully independent? I thought the king of England only had like 2/3 under direct control at that time.
Actually, a bunch of Norman younger sons conquered the Welsh by marrying the available heiresses. Then the king took their feudal submissions. There was no “invasion”, especially for the peasantry or the miners, who just bowed to the sons-in-laws of their previous overlords instead of their sons or daughters.
Cant really say England conquered Wales in 1282. England had slowly been chipping away at Welsh territory for the previous 300 years, so saying it was conquered in one specific year is a bit inaccurate.
*Meanwhile the Cornish just looking longingly off the shores of Polzeath, kicking stones at seagulls and desperately trying to reassemble the Cornish language...*
@@fromthepeanutgallery1084 As an actual shrubber named Rodger, I had to throw in a British pop-culture reference. Even in America, It's hard being known as: "Rodger the shrubber" without getting Monty Python jokes daily 🤣
I always find it strange that Scotland - that more or less joined with England peacefully - has always had stronger pro-independence feelings than Wales, which was basically conquered by Edward I, and has its own language which is far more widely spoken that the Scottish equivalent.
@@charleshiggie7034 There is more freedom in being in the UK than in the EU. The EU is ruled by a non-democratic body. At least Wales can vote for their leaders now.
A very important detail is that during the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, one of the big remainers' argument was "if you leave the UK, you'll also going to loose EU benefits, and you don't want that to happen". So yeah Brexit is seen by many Scots as a betrayal of the 2014 referendum or at the very least a valid reason to redo the referendum since the situation has changed dramatically.
no because the Brexit referendum was always on the cards because in 2014 UKIP got the most votes in the EU referendum, so David Cameron said he would hold a referendum on EU membership if he got elected in 2015.. which is why the SNP put the clause on its manifesto that they would hold another referendum with material constitutional change. they should have waited until after Brexit to call for a referendum.
A more inportant detail that's conveniently forgotten by the snp is that a yes vote would have seen the snp remove Scotland from the EU the day of the result. The brexit vote was known about at the time, the remain campaign said the best chance to remain in the EU was to vote NO. There were no promises made or broken.
@c r I think you've quoted the wrong person. All I said, really quite clearly, is that the snp would have removed Scotland from the EU if they'd got a yes vote in 2014.
@c r I think it should also be clarified that the only people instructed to do anything are those sheep blindly following the snp party policy. The rest of us are quite happy deciding what we can and can't say in our own homes; we don't need a socialist assembly telling us what we can or cannot do within our homes. Neither do we need a a named person to raise our children. Next, you'll be happy to accept the re-writing of history within schools. Please tell us you aren't that foolish.
@@gojimovedchannel1478 Take note, my point is that some of those who led the fight for Brexit have already made it clear that they won't accept a democratic decision for Scottish independence.
@Mr Brightside The only economic disaster that will come from Scottish independence would be suffered by England . They can ill afford to lose the money generated within Scotland and it’s sovereign waters . Add on the mega pressure coming from the White House to prevent independence for military reasons ( nuclear subs on the Clyde ) . You only have to see the utter incompetence emanating from Downing Street with the farce of Green , Amber countries and the non stop arrivals from India to realise that Scotland cannot do worse .
Well no actually , they willingly signed into a union where legally they couldn’t just leave on there own , it had to be approved by Westminster, that was the rules set forth in law. So they willingly joined a union that they couldn’t just leave at their will
What a silly headline: Britain break up? It’s an island, that would take the most turbulent earth plate movement. UK? Oh, that’s different. Then, probably.
@@arionas11 It's the Scots, well less than 50%, that have the attitude thinking they can expect the rest of us to put up with voting till they win, they can have a vote if they pay the cost of it ...
Tony Blair did not watch the British sitcom/documentary "Yes Minister". Regionalism will only descend further into regionalism if you grant it. Tony is a fool.
It may have worked in Wales though tbh. The Independance movement is at the highest estimate standing around 39%, lower estimates put it at less than 20%. Probably somewhere in the middle. Devolution is all most Welsh really wanted, the say in the running of their own country. Generally we are perfectly happy remaining as part of the Union.
@@alganhar1 might be best in the long-run. Scotland certainly has the natural resources to compete. What would an independent Wales have, I genuinely wonder?
@@palepilgrim1174 It is all really sad, because we get along fine as people, when you take away the politics. The Common Travel Area is still in force, so Irish people can come and work/live etc in England on a permanent basis and English can move to Ireland and have the same dues...I may be wrong about the CTA but I think it still stands.
it's easy. UK = English empire. So you can say English and British pretty much interchangeably. Although England only refers to their own land, and Great Britain to the whole empire.
@@ValentinoMariotto You are already wrong xD Great Britain is only the big Island on which England, Wales and Scotland are located. British Isles = Great Britain + Ireland + Smaller Islands in the British sea. UK = Northern Ireland + Wales + Scotland + England.
@@lovelybitofbugle219 my best friend is Scottish which is another reason i dont want Scotland to leave i shouldn't have to cross a border to go see them.
@@that_lewis_guy6953 You already do cross a border to visit Scotland, we are not a region of Britain. It is the legal entries to England that are causing so much chaos & your Londonstan masters are doing nothing worthy of name to stop these alpha-male economic chancers & criminals.
In Slovakia we had the same story. Slovakia within Czechoslovakia was in the beggining of 90ths having much lower GDP than Czechia. Years after the gaap is closings. We have much better relation with eatch other than ever. No blaming game who is subsidising who and who is taking decision. I wish both to England and Scotland nice future and believe the break of UK will not be the end but the new beggining:-)
Exactly. The casus of Czechoslovakia is the most valid for all arguments for and against the split of Scotland and England. However, after the split, both countries of former Czechoslovakia get access to a larger market and Union with the EU. Here we have one part of Union - England and Wales - which voted for brexit and the second part - Scotland (and N.Ireland) - which wanted to stay in the EU. The problem with Scotland is - when they had referendum, England told them they would bar them from access to EU. After the Brexit, Scotland wanting to join EU will have to sort their border with England. To have a physical border with your biggest market is a pain and recipe for an economical downturn. It can be done, it is not impossible, but it is a pain - just look at the position of post communist countries after 1989, the USRR was their biggest market and it took years for them to realign with other markets. Practically, after leaving the UK, Scotland will be bound to stay with them with little chance to get access to large EU market. If they want to think themselves as a new Denmark or Slovakia - they have similar size of population - to do so, they will need to sever their close links with England. I don't think there is enough will to do so in Scotland.
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country. No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye It’s broken by those catalyse division on empty words and half truths. I’m Welsh. I go across the border to England, am I looked at or treated any differently? No. When the English come into Wales, do I treat them any differently? No. Same applies with every nation within the union. The idea of there being massive division and hatred in reality is entirely false. What does cause tension? Damaging political based movements that start to affect everyday life when there were no issues before.
meh.. actually.. the french are a bit terrified of the laws you've passed lately guys. 4 years for owning an "offensive book" ? cops arresting people for twiting the picture of a sufragette's ribon? We'd rather you go back to being a democracy before you join, the EU is tyranical enough as it is.
@@Blahem1 12.5 percent corporate tax rate.. which Biden is about to terminate... Its a shame with all that wealth they can't build hospitals in Ireland?
I've always found it odd, that both the UK and the EU consider themselves democratic, yet they don't allow Celtic nationalities, Catalonians, Basques, or Bretons to hold referendums, or if they do then the referendum is simply disregarded.
@chattanooga chilli You are right about Scotland though. I was surprised they were adamant about having a referendum, then voted no. Now even if they have a new referendum they will probably vote no again, because trade will either be difficult with the EU or England, it's a lose lose situation.
UN doesn't encourage bits of nations to split and it certainly does not enforce it... it respects the territorial integrity of established nations. But the UN does encourage internal self determination .... but not external self determination without consent of the parent state. People misunderstand the principal of self determination when it comes to that context... and they wrongly think it applies to all situations. There are two types of self determination... external and internal. External can only be sought with the parent states permission ... internal means some local autonomy such as devolution. The only time external can be sought independently of the parent states will is if people are suffering / dying at the hands of the parent state. Then the UN security council gets involved. I dont think anyone would argue Scotland is in that situation.
The British: We want out of the EU we don't want others ruling over us. Scotland & N.Ireland: We feel the same way about the you English bummers ! The British: Wait...what?
@ΤηεΒεστ ΟφΜε becasue they are apart of the united kingdom, for the money england gets back it distributes it throughout the states, Scotland because it produces very little will obviously get a smaller portion, thats what makes a kindgom, also youd lose you british passports and intern lose one of the most powerfull ones and re enter a dying european union
While Scotland became roommates which their richer friend and never left out of habit, Ireland was forced into the house at gunpoint and chained to the kitchen sink.
@William Linley lol that's probably one of the dumbest comments I've seen on here. You know there's a video right now of an Israeli settler using exactly the same logic to break into a Palestinians backyard and tell them their house now belongs to him because "If I don't take it, someone else will"? Its completely irrelevant whether "some other country" could always have invaded because it never happened. UK brutally colonised Ireland, drove its inhabitants into starvation, and have been downplaying it ever since...
@William Linley Reporting on historical events accurately is not "hating" anyone. It's just facts. If British people are too triggered to face up to them, that's their problem.
@William Linley Well then we're going off topic because I'm talking about just accurately recounting the colonisation of Ireland, and how hard it seems for British media outlets to just report basic facts
@@bond8436 Democracy is all about choice. Being able to make choices is what separates Democratic states from autocratic despotic states. Denying choice is what despots do. Maybe if the terms and conditions of the first referendum were met then there wouldnt be the need for a second one so soon eh?
@@bond8436 the situation has clearly changed. you don't keep a leader indefinitely simply because they were once popular, why are referendums different?
@@maxsimilion8193 😂 What choice? Choose to follow the will of some people who happen to make wrong decisions and could lead your future to obscurity? In this case it would be disasters.
@@budgie204 that's not true, Romans never conquered Sino-China and Indian civilization. These civilizations were highly developed at the time, had thousands year of civilization and history already and was well known by Romans and others
I like how wales doesnt get it's own spot on the thumbnail. Its always been funny to me that it is not considered it's own thing. It's always Scotland, northern Ireland, and then England an Wales.
@@ephebofreedomfighter8698 ye but it's just show as a piece of england splitting of the side. Its not got it's own colour and its not enlarged like scotland and ireland.
I fully agree, even in the replies to this comment people have diminished wales. Wales is very much distinct from England. Welsh is the most commonly spoken of the Celtic languages, we have a rich history. Our historic figures just aren’t taught as much, and aren’t as big a part of pop culture. Owning glyndwr, the last prince of wales, fought fiercely for wales. The legend of King Arthur is a welsh one, despite what the bbc want you to think. The welsh people are the oldest inhabitants of Britain. To act like there isn’t a divide between the English and the Welsh is ignorant. The welsh independence movement is also growing exponentially. Until just over a century ago most of wales was still welsh speaking, and English tourists needed translation books to be able to visit most areas. Just because England has done better at silencing us, partly by beating children who spoke welsh until they spoke English, partly by taking all our resources without paying us for them, and many other things, that doesn’t mean we aren’t still here. ‘Yea o hyd’
People always miss out that in Ireland in 1690s it was a European force fighting not for England, as it was about France throwing power around in Europe and a very European Elite trying to stop it, the Battle of Beechy head and the Battle of the Boyen with many other Battles are the same War
The truth is that rather than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland wanting to break away, we are being pushed away. England (Westminster to be precise) has soured the milk of unity so much that it's no longer palatable. If you really want a strong union, give us a reason to stay.
I've never understood why the UK has remained a unitary state rather than a federation like Canada or Australia. There are certainly greater distinctions between the four countries that make up the UK than there are between Canadian provinces or Australian states (Quebec notwithstanding). Sounds like a better alternative than a full on breakup to me.
In Scotland’s case, there’s no real difference between the two. If I compare the Scottish parliament to Western Australia’s parliament, I can’t see any major difference in power. Each parliament legislates on matters regarding internal matters and the UK/Commonwealth government legislates on external matters.
As a frenchman, I'm quite happy to see this. The scottish are our oldest ally, auld alliance! And the celts are just like us gaullish. They just weren't romanised. Though, both England and France are in a similar state, a pretty bad one, particulary on imm--igration.
Romanised* And the french have stronger ties to the Irish than the Scottish. France US and Ireland tried to liberate Ireland in 1784 I think but the french fleet mostly crashed and sank, except a few ships landed on the west side of the island, so all the American and Irish troops died because the fighting was in the east and the revolution failed. Then 100 years ago Ireland single handedly beat the British.
🤦♂🤦♂ Bro, not being "romanised".... is central in European history !!! It's precisely what MADE France in the 1st place (else it would still be celtic Gaul, and would be completely different than today). Someone here has clearly skipped history class in high school. 🙄🙄🤦♂🤦♂
Scotland would have been a richer country than England had it been independent when the oil was discovered, since the oil sat outside their coast it was theirs. Instead all the revenues went to London.
Not likely. The SNP would've squandered it all away just like Chavez did in Venezuela. Still waiting on that $150/barrel of oil price that the SNP projected and based all of their budgeting assumptions on a few short years ago.
If the EU thought the Irish/Northern Ireland border was a problem, wait till the England/Scottish border is negotiated. I remember when people in England had to ask their boss if they could accept Scottish Pounds.
no where near the same thing. you have 2 countries bound by a union agreement that share basically the same government. Scottish Pounds for the most part has always been legal tender. If Scotland leaves the UK it will join with the EU, something the EU has already said they would allow. Scotland would then adopt the Euro and Scotland would be just like any other EU country, they would have to exchange their money from Euro to GBP or vice versa. Also a border would not be much of a problem as there is already a clear border and no peace agreement in place like their is in Northern Ireland. People also thinking Scotland would be worse off? Not quite, Scotland still has A LOT of oil, and oil is still going to be very profitable and still going to be used for many years to come. Not to forget but Scotland also over produces renewable energy, something it sells to france, germany, and many other EU nations. Rejoining the EU would actually become very profitable for them.
Well obviously NI should be reunited with Ireland, maybe there will be a new union but without England, that would've been epic, I would pay to see that
Just so we're all clear, Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain, it's part of the UK. Britain is an island. Hence why the full name is the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'
Northern Ireland only exists because when a vote to leave the UK in Ireland which had been kept in the UK by force, 26 of the 32 counties voted to leave, the remaining 6 which were predominantly Protestants who were transplanted from England and Scotland voted to remain in the UK. The British government of the day decided with their idea of a democratic election let those six counties remain because they said there would be armed insurrection . That's it in a nut shell.
"England joined with Wales in 1536" hahahah, so basically what you are saying is: -Spain "joined" with the Americas in 1492 -The Ottoman Empire "joined" with the Balkans in the 1400's -Germany "joined" with Poland in 1939
@@onehope6448 Scottish industrialisation was directly related to the procurement of raw materials and oppression of forced tea plantation labour in India.
3:10 "split in two"? More like "torn in two". 5:10 "deeply disliked in Scotland", aye don't mention the fact that the Irish tried to assassinate her she was that horrible. She never even set foot in one of the 4 countries she was in charge of. That's some leader.
if you look at population growth since the union, it has occurred more in England and London has taken in more of the wealth. Ireland has also had better growth since being independent and in the EU. England is not the problem. Centralised power in London is. It hurts northern England as well. At least Scotland has a choice unlike others.
you know what... this is interesting because the same very thing happens in my country! all of the power resides on the south-centre part of the country and that part has most of the wealth and commodities... weird
I'm a supporter of Scottish independence because I feel that as a country Scotland should be in charge of its own decisions and future. I feel currently as part of the UK we do not achieve this. Being a supporter of Scottish independence is not anti English: I, like I'm sure most Scots have fond relations both friendship and family in England and a fondness for its many cities, people and culture. Unionists try to label those in favour of Scottish independence as anti-English and that is so far from the truth. Like any country we want to be in charge of our own affairs but this does not preclude an affection for countries in the UK and beyond.
Nonsense, are you the only person in Scotland who hasnt listened to the SNP? Wash your ears out. You will not be "in charge of your own decissions or future" The SNP have already made it crystal clear this wont be the case. The SNP are trying to persuade by any means the majority of Scottish people to agree to swap Westminster for Brussels. The plan is that you will become one voice in 27 nations all with different cultures and languages instead of one of 4 voices speaking the same language! So what precisely do you think your beloved independence is set to achieve? it's certainly not independence. Scottish laws and Scotlands future will be decided by foreign nationals in the continent if Sturgeon persuades more people in Scotland. France and Germany really dont give a cobblers about another tiny region the size of Lithuania or Latvia with a pile of debt. They have huge bankrupt countries ten times your size to support like Spain, Italy and Greece which they are not paying for. So be clear in your mind about this, they really dont care for tiny Scotland and powers in Brussels have said as much many times. The SNP simply wants you to agree to end 400 years of history by swap it's governing partners.
@@spillarge funnily enough Scotland is already in charge of the vast majority of local matters (as stated in this video). I was quite surprised to see the extent of devolution that had happened in the UK and how Scotland hadn’t improved in any areas relative to devolution.
@@maxdavis7722 Yes, that's right, the Scottish Parliament now has far reaching powers and budgets to transform the lives of it's citizens within the UK group and benefits from the strength of Sterling for low borrowing rates. However, despite the cheap rates and the billions of pounds sent to Scotland from UK taxpayers in other regions annually to level the playing field, the Scottish administration is bottom of the list in delivering education, health and jobs to it's citizens. The level of drugs and alcohol abuse in the region is the worst in the UK and for health Scotland is bottom in the whole of Europe. This is wholly down to the SNP administration who are not focused on the benefits of being within the UK. They are instead wanting to hand over Scotland's powers to govern to an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels who don't give a cobblers for Scotland.
@Joanna Brexit chanches everything. Its like buying a car that ist loosing a wheel after a few miles and youre saying: why do you want to buy a new car its only a few days old...
No it won't. The EU already has major problems supporting its weaker members and Scotland has a deficit in double figures that well exceeds that 3% level required for new members. The mandatory requirment to sign up to Schengen also creates a huge issue (which is why Ireland prioritises the CTA over joining Schengen). In addition, Scotland does over 60% of its trade with the rUK and about 20% with the EU. In summary, it makes little economic sense for Scotland to leave the UK in order to join the EU, it would be an extreme act of economic self-harm. But it wouldn't happen, even if Scotland did become 'independent' the problems in joining the EU would be insurmountable and the idea would, at best be kicked down the road indefinitely. The SNP are leading disappointed remainers up the garden path by telling them that independence is the road to rejoining the EU, it just wouldn't happen, and the more the UK diverges from the EU and signs up to external trade deals that lead to lower or zero tarrif trade with the rest of the world the less sense it makes. In summary, Scotland is not going to be rejoining the EU, unless it is as part of the UK, which is in itself highly unlikely considering the unpalatable terms the EU would demand for that to happen.
@adi bhau yes but India is a rich country today and is still big allies with the U.K. they both share trade and intelligence with each other. That’s why the U.K supports India in the Chinese/Indian border disputes as China is a threat to both the U.K and India.
@adi bhau the U.K never invaded India it set up unilateral trade with India. Also you should be blaming the high rank and powerful Indians who allowed Britain to set up base and colonise the country. Britain never attacked or invaded India thats nonsense. It always seem India as a allied power.
@0972q8 that’s because Ireland is a tax haven for big tech companies but that bubble could burst eventually. Ireland is massively dependent on foreign companies keeping its economy afloat but if those companies decide to upsticks and move that will have massive effects on the Irish economy. Britain is one of if not the biggest trading partner of Ireland. Noting anti Irish in just stating economic facts before you think I’m attacking Ireland I’m not, love Ireland think it’s a great country been over 4 times now and had a great time.
@@jb894 And you don't get to decide whether they get to have another chance or not. Brexit tremendously changed the Scots' stance on independence so they do deserve another chance to express their opinions now
Scotland is an independent country with no doubt. This beautiful land has been tortured by English for too long. Scottish will get back to EU and have millions of ways to make prosperity.
Scotland joined with England when a Scottish king became the English Monarch, and Scotland have always wanted this union, now they just pretend to want out because they think they can join another larger union, but things don't work like that.
@@florendraarif7125 how were they forced against their will and freedom? They got their votes and they voted no didn't they? And they willingly joined the union??
Well Wales and England would most likely stay together since they both share similar views even though they both share similar views and northern Ireland isn't supported as much as it used to be both the English and Irish support Northern Ireland's return due to the fact that the UK pays more to northern Ireland than it actually generates
They seem to be confused over the current events in Ireland and are twisting that to suit their agenda also. The Econamist is not worth the paper it's printed on.
You should explain the method for measuring the Scottish deficit - the pro-indy argument typically doesn't just accept the GERS figures and say "but we'll grow" it tends to challenge the measurement itself as limited or gerrymandered.
@boab boab You have never lived in enough other places or studied those places enough to understand that your comment on corruption is utterly laughable.
@boab boab IT is possible to make a very accurate educated guess about a persons credentials/ ability by noting the amount of absolute horsesh1t that they talk. You can look at a map of the world and literally pick the Former British Empire as the least corrupt region on earth. This is based on perception of course but it does not take a genius to work out that nations with non existent auditing of government funding, militaries who directly control the economy and thousands of voters in holes in the ground do not score top! Where else have you lived other than Glasgow?
@@Jafmanz "one of the most corrupt places in the western world" ; "Former British Empire as the least corrupt region on earth". In your bull rush to 'prove' how clever and superior you are to @boab boab, you either forgot to read, or forgot to think.
As a European hisorian I strongly support the peoples' right to self-determination. We have seen the impact of the fall of both Austria-Hungaria, Yugoslavia and the USSR. Despite the struggles every people should have the right to self governance.
I’m English,but I think it’s pityful the way our people are so blinded by politicians.The people you find talking down on Brexit are usually the ones that voted for it.
@@kennyandlizingram13 Well it would matter because it wouldn’t be Great Britain anymore, it’d just be Britain. Scotland represents ‘Greater Britain’, Wales and England are Britain. If you add Scotland to England and Wales it becomes Great Britain. Remove Scotland and you have Britain.
The City in London is not part of the UK. The King has to ask permission to enter The City. So much for the brexiters whining about sovereignty and border security... Those that promoted brexit profited from the pound falling so no wonder they 'ignored' The City.
@@THESLlCK what whilst being under E.U control and policy? Sturgeon thinks she can use the E.U as a cash cow, but she’ll be in for a shock because the last thing the E.U want is another Greece on their hands.
@@K-TheLetter tbh as much as I like the union Jack, putting it on other flags looks pretty dumb. I wish the new Zealand flag referendum would've passed
natural resources like water, oil, lumber, wind, fish. Geopolitical values as well, controlling waters around scotland means you control who can come in and out of the atlantic from the north sea
No country ever likes to give up territory, treasure or people. It's a loss of prestige and standing on the world stage, and it creates all sorts of administrative headaches. Just imagine trying to decide which parts of the UK armed forces are Scottish and which parts are English. Both new armies would be functionally inoperable for years.
@@cinderball1135 "Both new armies would be functionally inoperable for years." - With an impending conflict with Russia and maybe China around the corner this might be the best thing for the UK.
Actually, considering that it was a Scottish King that took over England in 1603, and not the other way around, and the fact that it has been a running joke for many years that the civil service is dominated by Scots it is arguable that that has always been the situation.
"[Thatcher] was deeply disliked in Scotland." That''s putting it rather mildly.
I still love that interview of the Scottish grandmother celebrating Thatchers death on live TV
it was like that everywhere except brighton and london.
Thatcher was disliked almost everywhere , but she was the right person in the right place when the Falklands war happened . You have to grant that she did the right thing there . Yes lives were lost but it comes down to omelettes etc, etc
@@MrTarmonbarry Spend millions on a bunch of useless Islands annually, Only 5k people live there yet they cost the UK more than Cornwall combined to govern.
@@usernamesample8386 You could apply that to the Shetland and the Orkney islands , would that make it right to abandon them to whoever wanted to take them??
“England joined with Wales in 1536”... don’t think Wales had much of a say in it tbh 😅😂
We didn't get the opportunity to discuss the matter with them. They were all singing in the hilltops. We left a sorry you were out card. :-)
Exactly. They said "strong-armed" for Ireland (understatement of the century) but forget that Wales was literally conquered piece meal over the course of centuries. We resisted and resisted until we couldn't anymore and were finally annexed against our will.
@Orwell 1984 dunno what with England in the state it’s in I think their problems are abit more local
@Orwell 1984 Ara stop it will you. I think I'd throw myself from the tallest slieve in Ireland if we were connected to England 🤣
@Orwell 1984 oh ceart go leor. Éirigh as. Ceapaíonn mé bheadh caithionn mé féin ó na slieve dá Éireann ceangailte ar Sasana
Grá le Dia. Labhraíonn mé teanga a dó 😱🤣 tá tú liúdramán
When Boris holds all of the cards... but the game being played is chess.
underrated comment
And sturgeon is playing...
@Chris L Yesyes... That's exactly why Republic of Ireland is suffering so much as compared to the NI. Or UK. Or England.
😂😂😂🤭
Genius
Or football
"Enland was joined with Wales in 1536". What you mean is that Wales was unilaterally annexed by England's parliament under HenryVIII after having been conquered in 1282 and subsequently brutally subjugated, the latter having been expunged from the historical record. After annexation Wales has been exploited; legal and administrative steps taken in London to destroy the Welsh language. Now Wales is neglected and left to rot by successive Westminster governments, Tory & Labour. If Wales doesn't vote for independence it faces continued neglect and decline. There is no other alternative other than independence of Westminster.
Powerful Mr. Jones.
So true. I hope even Cornwall gets devolution at this point. The way Cornish culture and language got exterminated is like Wales on steroids. Thankfully they were barely able to keep their language and culture alive a little.
@@lincolnlog5977 All empires did it
@@lincolnlog5977the problem is Cornwall just wouldn’t survive on its own. Unlike scotland and (potentially) wales, it is a super rural area of England, and insanely small, so it would probably just collapse upon independence.
But hey, I’ve never visited Cornwall so I wouldnt know, I’m just basing my opinion off of what I’ve read
@@viraenthusiastThey suggested devolution, not independence. Those are different things.
"Ireland was strong-armed into the Union"
Yeah, and Poland was "bullied" in 1939.
And the jews got tickled.
@@ArendJanV lol, you guys!
a temporary border dispute. violence on both sides.
The native Americans got "told to go away"
Algeria was "asked" to stay in France.
would be ironic if brexit that fought for a "strong independent UK" results in their nation being cut in half.
Brexit has nothing to do with a proportion of Scotts wanting to become independent. They have absolutely no interest in being ruled by bureaurocrats in Brussels because thats not independence is it.
@@spillarge when I see EU bureaucrats I always think of that Monty Phyton peasant: "well, I didnt vote for you"
It has caused much division that has had a slow snowball effect over the years.
Not really. Scotland is a net recipient of taxpayer money and relies on Tourism from the rest of the UK. In the event that Scotland did leave, it would concentrate wealth in England, Wales and NI, cause increased tourism to these areas, turbocharging the remaining UK economies further. I am a bit concerned as to the wider implications on democracy. There are Unionists in Scotland who won the vote in 2014, were told they were never going to have to vote on this again, and here we are in 2021. This is not how UK democracy is supposed to work. There is no sense of fairplay.
@@Dremons7 Well you d prob. more voted for an EU bureaucrat than for a leader in the UK seeing your voting system kills a looooot of votes. Winner takes the whole county, right? Not very democratic at all.
“Ireland was strong armed into the union”
What an English way of saying it
Lol yeah thought that was the understatement of the century alright
Exactly what I came to the comments to point out. Similar notions about Wales and Scotland 'joining'. Pure ignorance that leaves this video irrelevant.
@@17Podge17 Scotland did willingly join though, that part is true.
@@cearta6379 it's all technically true. The passive lack of accountability is what gets me
@@cearta6379 yeah, Wales was pretty much Annexed, Ireland was invaded, but Scotland did willingly join under a Scottish king.
The problem is that the Brits treated EVERYONE terribly historically.
The Scots want to leave.
The Irish wants to leave.
The welsh ?
The Scots are British
scot’s don’t want to a lot of my older family died fighting in world wars just the same as many english families, it’s not the 1400s anymore, we have independent cultures and brotherly rivalry but westminster is the enemy not britain as an idea
We all have one thing in common: We clicked this vid to read the comments
Indeed
Came for the video. Stayed for the comments :3
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country.
No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
Never!!.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye I 100% agree.
Ireland deserves to be United .
"But this was short lived, as in 1922 [Ireland] split in two" - I don't think 121 years is that short ngl
It is in comparision to Wales and Scotland. Ireland was sort of independent but the majority were mistreated
@@oscarosullivan4513 I'm not denying the mistreatment or anything, but even in comparison to the others a century isn't really short-lived - it's just a bit of an odd term
Relative to History it is. A century is but a blink of an eye
Idk Man the aunt of my grandfather was born 1917 and she is still alive.. She was alive when Ireland got independent.. I guess it's seems a lot for Americans
Ireland, England and Scotland have centuries of History as nations, 121 years is really short compare to that
"Ireland was brutally invaded, colonised, starved and put under severe laws and punishments if they didn't renounce their culture, language and religion, causing the country's culture to be on the brink of extinction". Hmm seems too long let's say "strong-armed" instead
Buhu
@@adorabasilwinterpock6035 Ireland was harmed england are evil
@@GrimRequiem England is not evil... those people who did that are dust... most of us today are a mixed people... we just happen to live here.
@Milosh Simonovski There is not a massive difference if any.. but these keep moving.
is 38k GBP Lond ;
Dublin is 49k EUR = 42k GBP
London is one of the most expensive cities in the world to live or commute to. But salary level depends on a lot of things.. it can depend on the costs of living in an area.. it can depend on the type of industry and thus skills the area is dominated by... for example, Silicon valley most likely is skewed by the high paying tech jobs. London has a lot of finance roles.
And let's neatly forget about Scotland's roll in all this and wish our brothers and sisters the best of luck.
Scotland and its people have the right to freedom and self-determination
And they voted to stay.
@@somebloodybrit8067 That was 8 years ago before Brexit now they want to leave.
@@geenkaas6380 so we should grant them another referendum everything the rest of the country wants something different?? Maybe we should all just do what scotland wants just to keep them happy all of the time. We already give them more money and gave them all the powers they need to run their country and the SNP made it worse not Westminster
@@Chris-pq3wp they do not run their country if they did they would be independent
by rejoining the E.U ...twisted logic!
The failed Darien project did not bankrupt the Scottish state - it bankrupted the individual Scottish noblemen who had personally invested into it. They then sold Scotland out and joined with England to restore their own financial positions.
this
Absolutely correct! Not only that, England had a huge national debt at the time.
Which was the Scottish state. Unless your serf ancestors were paying taxes?
I liked your comment but i would add that most scottish people invested in some way in the colonies.
Exactly, well said
UK: We've decided to leave the EU.
Scotland: And I've decided to leave *_U_*
@Noname Lolnonono im sure we will be fine with our whisky, north sea oil, natural water, renewable energy and our tourism is just fine i think what you mean by 1% tourists London has is its overall population is 1% tourists, considering how london has a larger population than both the countries alone i think we will be fine, thanks
lol, true that
@Noname Lolnonono yeah because England steals all the income to fund the southern British isles
@@jambooooo23 Is that the same North Sea oil that Salmond said would pull in £57bn between 2013 - 18, yet only pulled in £4bn ?
That guy also said ‘we will be fine’
Best comment ever!!!
“Divide and rule” was the main point in British empire and now is hunting back. What a Karma?
i think Karma is a noun, flower, not a definite article.
You meant “Divide et Impera”?
The moth of the Roman Empire?
@@TheHardCore89 it was actually started by Phillip II, Alexander the Great’s father.
Karma is uncountable: What karma!
Sea plunders ☠🏴☠️
How Englands acquirements of Wales and Ireland was phrased in this presentation is very interesting. Also, my history is a bit hazy but Iam pretty certain that the UK did not "give" the Irish their independence, they had to fight for it.
They did grant them their independence because Ireland was simply just a net loss.
When Michael Collins came across the sea to negotiate a deal he was threatened with a land invasion of several hundred thousand men (who were all battle hardened from WW1) to restore order in Ireland if he didnt accept the deal, and he saw the deal as a stepping stone to further Irish independence (Ireland was a commonwealth nation at that point)
@ApeX so because Ireland was a net loss they simply gave it back nothing to do with the republicans fighting them
@@ApeX-pj4mq it was net loss because the
IRA made it impossible for the country to be a net profit
@@malsmith1618 Yes. They no longer saw any use for Ireland as the UK itself could overachieve Ireland in every regard such as agriculture, textiles, fuel, energy etc. It simply was no longer worth keeping.
If they wanted to keep it, it would still be British till this day.
@@ApeX-pj4mq 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
UK to EU: We want our independence!
Scotland to UK: Hey! That's a great idea!
Hahaha, so true,
Brexiteers whining in 2015 and 2016: "GIVE US OUR SOVEREIGNTY. EU IS THE EUSSR! THEY ARE FASCISTS FOR NOT GIVING US OUR SOVEREIGNTY!"
Scots to Brexiteers: "So, what are you now?"
[Even more ironic considering that the UK always had sovereignty as an independent country in the EU with veto rights.
Scotland was never sovereign in the UK and possess no veto rights]
Other way around lol
Scotland: We want a referendum!
UK Parliament: OK there you go. Results in, you lost.
Scottish nationalists: We want repeat referendums until we win!
😂
Respect democracy. Respect results. Respect Scotland's will!
@@UKVeteran2024 Until you know that the main argument to stay, was to stay in the EU... Oups ?
Ireland was 'strong armed' - most soft way of putting it
North Irland Freedom
Even if we do leave it will still of had an impact on Northern Ireland
No one opposed the act of union in Ireland it actually helped get rid of many penal laws put in place in the early 1700s
Very little if any resistance to the act of union
Don't talk soft Humphrey! ✊✊!!
From 1660s-90s to 1801, did it not occur to you that the penal laws forbade Catholics from practicing law, forced the subdivision of land, the outlaw of the language, the unproportionate use of the judicial punishments, debtors prisons, petty crimes by boys and men were punished by imprisonment to Britain's Australia colony?
the list goes on... these are all things used to force, pervert and divide society and the reality made by it, and still practiced to this day.
A society that law allowed a dominant minority to accumulate wealth, study law and _influence_ state, governance and public service. But those politicians faced with the 1801 Act of Union gave Ireland up for really nothing at all something called private property.
Who would've thunk that there's a farm in scotland that grow almost all of their produce in scotland.
Somebody might have thought of that, but nobody would have thunk 😁
Yeah I didn't get that line either lol
because some countries dont do that
thunk
There are plenty of self sufficient farms in England 🏴 too .🤪
Here in Wales independence support has grown. We are fed up with England trying to rule us. They are also trying to ignore what devolution was agreed many years ago.
In 1535, the Italian scholar Polydore Vergil wrote that: "The whole country of Britain ...is divided into four parts; whereof the one is inhabited of Englishmen, the other of Scots, the third of Welshmen, [and] the fourth of Cornish people, which all differ among themselves, either in tongue, ...in manners, or else in laws and ordinances.'
1535- Not long before The Plantation of Ulster. I've no horse in the Scottish race but being an Irish resident & citizen, there is little love lost on the Union & monarchy. Scottish Independence would certainly help the cause of all Ireland independence, this century will see the demise of the Union and it won't be a moment too soon!
@@pedclarkemobile balkanisation is such a wonderful thing. makes world maps more interesting at least
I can't see Westminster granting any new referendums any time soon. They've all come to realise that devolution was another one of Tony Blair's terrible ideas. Plus, the Scots are completely split down the middle on this issue (gaining independence now could actually be quite damaging for Scotland).
@@Timathius17 I agree, now if only we could balkanize the US and China.
@@caseyb1346 Russia too.
The once-mighty "Empire where the sun never sets" reduced to half an island?
What a concept.
Empires never last
Half an island? It was the British empire not the English empire.
It is time to say goodbye Great Britain and to change the name to Small Britain more suitable
@John Carroll they aren’t the first, ever heard of the soviets
@@inekeevers where are you from
"Ireland was strongarmed into the union"
That's an interesting way of putting it
Lol
Ireland was not a nation State until the UK gave it to them!
@@khankrum1 I don’t think the British gave the Irish their freedom; they had to fight for it.
@@martinbonfil5545 They had to fight, then had to stop fighting when it was clear they did not have to fight, so they did not have to fight except for pride, and stopping fighting involved civil war, such was the pride and the idealism involved. Mankind does not have to fight, that is idealism worth fighting for.
@@khankrum1 sure
Independent Scotland, independent Ireland, independent Whales, independent England. I would admire these independent countries if they manage to achieve their individual independence peacefully and then join in working together to profit and promote each other. PS. Had Britain not left the EU, we would not be having this discussion.
It's Wales not Whales genius.
Wales is the country
Whales are animals
Ireland is already independent is is actually wealthier than the UK.
You mean a United ireland
“England had joined with Wales in 1536.”
Actually, Wales was invaded and conquered by England in 1282 then ruled as the king’s personal fief. In 1536, it was formally annexed, giving Wales representation in parliament but forcing English law and administration upon it. But sure, just call that “joined” if that makes you feel better.
Weren't there a couple independent tributaries that only got annexed when they tried to become fully independent?
I thought the king of England only had like 2/3 under direct control at that time.
Well, that's what you get for not putting up enough of a fight.
Actually, a bunch of Norman younger sons conquered the Welsh by marrying the available heiresses. Then the king took their feudal submissions. There was no “invasion”, especially for the peasantry or the miners, who just bowed to the sons-in-laws of their previous overlords instead of their sons or daughters.
Cant really say England conquered Wales in 1282. England had slowly been chipping away at Welsh territory for the previous 300 years, so saying it was conquered in one specific year is a bit inaccurate.
Do the students over there learn their colonial history ..seen many people over here defending colonism...🙄😐😶😶.
*Meanwhile the Cornish just looking longingly off the shores of Polzeath, kicking stones at seagulls and desperately trying to reassemble the Cornish language...*
Big love from Scotland to our wee Cornish cousins. You'll find your self
@@ilonahenderson9877 Aye, as a fellow Scot I back up your statement
Britanny stands by you. On a clear day, you can even see it, maybe.
indeed ,you also need to join your Celtic cousins ,reclaim your language and governance .
Galicians stand with you! Celtic brothers!
I'm sure Boris doesn't want it to happen because he knows he'll become the PM who lost Scotland
That would be David Cameron.
@@kdum8 nope it will be Boris Johnson
@@ronniemacullaugh7916 "Ireland United with northern Ireland everyday"
Video's and event what we're all want, bcz they deserve it
Latest polls in Scotland say they want to stay in the UK
@@jrgboy The is also people who is laying 60 procent of the scottish people are not telling the truth
The split of Slovakia and Czechia involved no war or economic collapse.
Random protester in the crowd: "You can't have yer pudding if you don't eat yer meat!!!"
Pinky and the Brain 🧠
Har har har!
@@fromthepeanutgallery1084 As an actual shrubber named Rodger, I had to throw in a British pop-culture reference. Even in America, It's hard being known as: "Rodger the shrubber" without getting Monty Python jokes daily 🤣
So much for foregoing the mince pies, and skipping right to the pastries ..
Epic song
I always find it strange that Scotland - that more or less joined with England peacefully - has always had stronger pro-independence feelings than Wales, which was basically conquered by Edward I, and has its own language which is far more widely spoken that the Scottish equivalent.
They are too small only a few million they know they won’t survive without England but Scotland had a chance
@@bornstar481 There are many countries smaller than Wales that survive - and it is particularly easy if you are part of a bigger unit, such as the EU.
@@bornstar481 For instance Wales is bigger than Luxembourg, both in terms of population and in terms of area.
@@charleshiggie7034 There is more freedom in being in the UK than in the EU. The EU is ruled by a non-democratic body. At least Wales can vote for their leaders now.
@@geoffjones5421 I believe the EU to be a very democratic federal structure, far more democratic than the UK
A very important detail is that during the Scottish independence referendum in 2014, one of the big remainers' argument was "if you leave the UK, you'll also going to loose EU benefits, and you don't want that to happen". So yeah Brexit is seen by many Scots as a betrayal of the 2014 referendum or at the very least a valid reason to redo the referendum since the situation has changed dramatically.
no because the Brexit referendum was always on the cards because in 2014 UKIP got the most votes in the EU referendum, so David Cameron said he would hold a referendum on EU membership if he got elected in 2015.. which is why the SNP put the clause on its manifesto that they would hold another referendum with material constitutional change. they should have waited until after Brexit to call for a referendum.
A more inportant detail that's conveniently forgotten by the snp is that a yes vote would have seen the snp remove Scotland from the EU the day of the result.
The brexit vote was known about at the time, the remain campaign said the best chance to remain in the EU was to vote NO. There were no promises made or broken.
@c r I think you've quoted the wrong person.
All I said, really quite clearly, is that the snp would have removed Scotland from the EU if they'd got a yes vote in 2014.
@c r I think it should also be clarified that the only people instructed to do anything are those sheep blindly following the snp party policy.
The rest of us are quite happy deciding what we can and can't say in our own homes; we don't need a socialist assembly telling us what we can or cannot do within our homes.
Neither do we need a a named person to raise our children.
Next, you'll be happy to accept the re-writing of history within schools.
Please tell us you aren't that foolish.
Must be frustrating for Scottish being in union where it's voice was overwhelmed by English majority.
The same guys who wanted the UK to leave the EU now deny Scotland's right to leave the UK.
Cause Scotland doesn't want to leave
@@gojimovedchannel1478
Take note, my point is that some of those who led the fight for Brexit have already made it clear that they won't accept a democratic decision for Scottish independence.
UK and Scotland: "arguing over Scotland's indpendance".
Ireland: "Lemme grab my popcorn".
*independence
Troubles 2 electric Boogaloo
This is don't funny be happy that you are free
You say that like we don't support Scotland and, eventually Wales, leaving. The death of the empire will be wonderful.
@@joeavreg2254 I haven't said you don't support us i know you English people doesn't like us bc we want to leave the union
If they entered this relationship willingly, shouldn’t they be able to leave willingly?
@Mr Brightside what a demented and sinister response. That’s their land you pillock
@Mr Brightside Mr Not-so-very-Bright 🙄
@Mr Brightside maybe we should have told that to brexit supporters in regards to the EU.
@Mr Brightside The only economic disaster that will come from Scottish independence would be suffered by England . They can ill afford to lose the money generated within Scotland and it’s sovereign waters . Add on the mega pressure coming from the White House to prevent independence for military reasons ( nuclear subs on the Clyde ) . You only have to see the utter incompetence emanating from Downing Street with the farce of Green , Amber countries and the non stop arrivals from India to realise that Scotland cannot do worse .
Well no actually , they willingly signed into a union where legally they couldn’t just leave on there own , it had to be approved by Westminster, that was the rules set forth in law. So they willingly joined a union that they couldn’t just leave at their will
EU to Britain: pls don't leave the union, we're stronger together
Britain to Scotland: pls don't leave the union, we're stronger together
Scotland to Shetland Islands...
Exactly. England asks for independence for itself but doesn't grant independence for others. It's applying double standards.
the EU was just taking advantage of the UK and the eastern european countries
@@padcha8210 scotland wanted to leave the EU as well....
@@THESLlCK did you even watch the video? They voted remain so unless you have any sources for either of those claims...
What a silly headline: Britain break up? It’s an island, that would take the most turbulent earth plate movement. UK? Oh, that’s different. Then, probably.
England: we want out of the EU, we want our independence
Scotland: we want our independence
England: no way
Scotland had a vote & voted to stay,,, end of
@@jrgboy yeah that was before Brexit mate
@@awesomeguy-rq8zw Scotland knew Brexit was coming
@@jrgboy with attitude like yours i can ensure that is not end of….. you just give motivation to Scots to get out
@@arionas11 It's the Scots, well less than 50%, that have the attitude thinking they can expect the rest of us to put up with voting till they win, they can have a vote if they pay the cost of it ...
The United Kingdom might break up. But we are going to need some major plate tectonics for Britain to disintegrate.
Lol
Spoken like an Englishman 😂😂😂
bruh ☠️
😂😂😂
@@luxfer7794 it’s the name of the island you dope .
Tony Blair did not watch the British sitcom/documentary "Yes Minister". Regionalism will only descend further into regionalism if you grant it. Tony is a fool.
It may have worked in Wales though tbh. The Independance movement is at the highest estimate standing around 39%, lower estimates put it at less than 20%. Probably somewhere in the middle.
Devolution is all most Welsh really wanted, the say in the running of their own country. Generally we are perfectly happy remaining as part of the Union.
The comment I was looking for. Sir Humphrey ftw!
@@alganhar1 might be best in the long-run. Scotland certainly has the natural resources to compete. What would an independent Wales have, I genuinely wonder?
Oh Humphrey
@@victort.9466 does that mean we've become a moral vacuum?
Scottish people should be free!
Wales + England = Wangland
Bunch of Wangers. 😂
Engles
🤣🤣 brilliant
Walland
They become... Chinese?
Foreigners: Finally we won't be confused with United Kingdom, Britain, England.
They still will, tbh. Lots of people think Ireland is just a region of England and struggle to understand why they don't think they are.
@@palepilgrim1174 It is all really sad, because we get along fine as people, when you take away the politics.
The Common Travel Area is still in force, so Irish people can come and work/live etc in England on a permanent basis and English can move to Ireland and have the same dues...I may be wrong about the CTA but I think it still stands.
it's easy. UK = English empire. So you can say English and British pretty much interchangeably. Although England only refers to their own land, and Great Britain to the whole empire.
@@ValentinoMariotto You are already wrong xD Great Britain is only the big Island on which England, Wales and Scotland are located. British Isles = Great Britain + Ireland + Smaller Islands in the British sea. UK = Northern Ireland + Wales + Scotland + England.
Sorry I was wrong, I thought foreigners are confused but looks like people of UK themselves are confused.
UK: We're being torn apart by ethnical differences!
Austria-Hungary: First time?
Ya its the reason we have countries 😂😂😂
yugoslavia :
@@skwizzzb3904 do you mean the UK needs a Tito like dictator to hold the fragments together?
Scotish Kiss to English Queen 🤣
@@vizibilibende5194 spell Scottish* right
Scotland and England are not one people
Absolutely not...have you ever tried speaking to a scotchman?
@@lovelybitofbugle219 my best friend is Scottish which is another reason i dont want Scotland to leave i shouldn't have to cross a border to go see them.
@@that_lewis_guy6953 They hate English people. I'm English.
@@that_lewis_guy6953 You already do cross a border to visit Scotland, we are not a region of Britain. It is the legal entries to England that are causing so much chaos & your Londonstan masters are doing nothing worthy of name to stop these alpha-male economic chancers & criminals.
In Slovakia we had the same story. Slovakia within Czechoslovakia was in the beggining of 90ths having much lower GDP than Czechia. Years after the gaap is closings. We have much better relation with eatch other than ever. No blaming game who is subsidising who and who is taking decision. I wish both to England and Scotland nice future and believe the break of UK will not be the end but the new beggining:-)
Exactly. The casus of Czechoslovakia is the most valid for all arguments for and against the split of Scotland and England.
However, after the split, both countries of former Czechoslovakia get access to a larger market and Union with the EU. Here we have one part of Union - England and Wales - which voted for brexit and the second part - Scotland (and N.Ireland) - which wanted to stay in the EU.
The problem with Scotland is - when they had referendum, England told them they would bar them from access to EU. After the Brexit, Scotland wanting to join EU will have to sort their border with England. To have a physical border with your biggest market is a pain and recipe for an economical downturn. It can be done, it is not impossible, but it is a pain - just look at the position of post communist countries after 1989, the USRR was their biggest market and it took years for them to realign with other markets.
Practically, after leaving the UK, Scotland will be bound to stay with them with little chance to get access to large EU market.
If they want to think themselves as a new Denmark or Slovakia - they have similar size of population - to do so, they will need to sever their close links with England. I don't think there is enough will to do so in Scotland.
Northern Ireland is better of joining the Republic of Ireland and Scotland a independent country.
No point hanging on to a dying decayed entity that is UK. It's a broken country.
@@Abraham_Tsfaye It’s broken by those catalyse division on empty words and half truths.
I’m Welsh. I go across the border to England, am I looked at or treated any differently? No. When the English come into Wales, do I treat them any differently? No. Same applies with every nation within the union. The idea of there being massive division and hatred in reality is entirely false. What does cause tension? Damaging political based movements that start to affect everyday life when there were no issues before.
Really incredible how you guys split.
@@lm8348 Yeah I have never known anyone in England to genuinely hate the welsh or scots.
0:52
Scottish man: "I'm going to wave that french flag just to annoy the english."
@Richard Taylor Smith Yes and till the 1990's, every citizen of France and Scotland had the right to ask the other nationality.
And Algeria allies with uk to fight France
@@mrcool2107 ??? what is Algeria has to do with Scotland ?
meh.. actually.. the french are a bit terrified of the laws you've passed lately guys. 4 years for owning an "offensive book" ? cops arresting people for twiting the picture of a sufragette's ribon? We'd rather you go back to being a democracy before you join, the EU is tyranical enough as it is.
@@backintimealwyn5736 enjoying Brexit eh
Ireland was "strong-armed" into The Union, That's a mild way of putting it 😅😂
facts we were beaten into it
Anyone else notice how Ireland shot up to the 8th richest country when not being held back by the Brits.
Actually the Normans were invited to Ireland and Ireland was joined to the Kingdom by marriage..
@@Blahem1 12.5 percent corporate tax rate.. which Biden is about to terminate... Its a shame with all that wealth they can't build hospitals in Ireland?
@@anasjudge1937 might wanna go back to history class you are completely wrong on what happened.....
I've always found it odd, that both the UK and the EU consider themselves democratic, yet they don't allow Celtic nationalities, Catalonians, Basques, or Bretons to hold referendums, or if they do then the referendum is simply disregarded.
@chattanooga chilli You are right about Scotland though. I was surprised they were adamant about having a referendum, then voted no. Now even if they have a new referendum they will probably vote no again, because trade will either be difficult with the EU or England, it's a lose lose situation.
Scotland was given a referendum though?
@@MidgeCat 2014
I find it amazing you think the EU has any say in referenda for the Catalans, Basques, and Bretons.
@@taintabird23 they should
UN: Scotland do you want independence ?
England: No he does not.
Not sure if this is a serious comment?!
They already had a referendum on it.
Only 20 percent of wales want independence
Most Welsh don’t want independence
UN doesn't encourage bits of nations to split and it certainly does not enforce it... it respects the territorial integrity of established nations. But the UN does encourage internal self determination .... but not external self determination without consent of the parent state. People misunderstand the principal of self determination when it comes to that context... and they wrongly think it applies to all situations. There are two types of self determination... external and internal. External can only be sought with the parent states permission ... internal means some local autonomy such as devolution. The only time external can be sought independently of the parent states will is if people are suffering / dying at the hands of the parent state. Then the UN security council gets involved. I dont think anyone would argue Scotland is in that situation.
The British: We want out of the EU we don't want others ruling over us.
Scotland & N.Ireland: We feel the same way about the you English bummers !
The British: Wait...what?
The scots have very few exports and the oil they do have we took most of it
Also british people visiting Scotland gives the economy a massive boost
@ΤηεΒεστ ΟφΜε becasue they are apart of the united kingdom, for the money england gets back it distributes it throughout the states, Scotland because it produces very little will obviously get a smaller portion, thats what makes a kindgom, also youd lose you british passports and intern lose one of the most powerfull ones and re enter a dying european union
sinn fein
@@theimperialfistsspacemarin3050 Whisky export is 6billion a year, Beef export is 4bn a year.
Lol Ireland being "strong armed" into the UK is quite an understatement...
Irish murdered by England she means !!!
While Scotland became roommates which their richer friend and never left out of habit, Ireland was forced into the house at gunpoint and chained to the kitchen sink.
@William Linley lol that's probably one of the dumbest comments I've seen on here. You know there's a video right now of an Israeli settler using exactly the same logic to break into a Palestinians backyard and tell them their house now belongs to him because "If I don't take it, someone else will"?
Its completely irrelevant whether "some other country" could always have invaded because it never happened. UK brutally colonised Ireland, drove its inhabitants into starvation, and have been downplaying it ever since...
@William Linley Reporting on historical events accurately is not "hating" anyone. It's just facts. If British people are too triggered to face up to them, that's their problem.
@William Linley Well then we're going off topic because I'm talking about just accurately recounting the colonisation of Ireland, and how hard it seems for British media outlets to just report basic facts
'Ireland was strongarmed into the union in 1801' yeahhh we had an independence war and got our parliament taken and our rights practically erased :/
This is journalism no one sided arguments it’s a clean non political leaning video explaining the two sides of the Scottish independence movement
Some punctuation marks may help ya
@@bond8436 Democracy is all about choice. Being able to make choices is what separates Democratic states from autocratic despotic states. Denying choice is what despots do. Maybe if the terms and conditions of the first referendum were met then there wouldnt be the need for a second one so soon eh?
@@bond8436 the situation has clearly changed. you don't keep a leader indefinitely simply because they were once popular, why are referendums different?
@@maxsimilion8193 😂 What choice? Choose to follow the will of some people who happen to make wrong decisions and could lead your future to obscurity? In this case it would be disasters.
yes i hate it when conservatives are supressed and mocked just for being selfish, bootlicking pigs who only care about bettering their own lives.
Lots of understatement here, wouldn't want to ruffle any feathers. Would we?
Typical Economist.
Passion belongs on The Sun and other such brainless dross.
You want drama go and look for it there.
“Strong armed” is Apparently English for “taken by force”
Whats the phrase for the Roman Empire conquering the then known world? Scusa?
@@budgie204 that's not true, Romans never conquered Sino-China and Indian civilization. These civilizations were highly developed at the time, had thousands year of civilization and history already and was well known by Romans and others
@@0xabhi Yeah, I should've added the Greek and Mongolian Empires.
In the EU, key decisions require the approval of all members. In the UK, not.
And if the ruling elite do not get the answer they want ....you are made to vote again!
The Economist : Please end the UK peacefully.
Wales : Of course, no problem!
Scotland : What other way would we have it!?
Northern Ireland : Ehhmm..
The Irish remember
France: I'm not playing any cards there, honhonhon
Alot of people in Wales voted for Brexit so next time see amount of leave votes.
There was peace in NI till the brits showed up
It's been Westminster ministers and MPs going about about having armed guards at a Scottish/ English border. Remember Ed Milliband and his drivel?
I like how wales doesnt get it's own spot on the thumbnail. Its always been funny to me that it is not considered it's own thing. It's always Scotland, northern Ireland, and then England an Wales.
it is on thumbnail...
@@ephebofreedomfighter8698 ye but it's just show as a piece of england splitting of the side. Its not got it's own colour and its not enlarged like scotland and ireland.
Wales is much close tied to England that Scotland or Ireland.
@@Buboes1 yeh some of our towns merge into england...
I fully agree, even in the replies to this comment people have diminished wales. Wales is very much distinct from England. Welsh is the most commonly spoken of the Celtic languages, we have a rich history. Our historic figures just aren’t taught as much, and aren’t as big a part of pop culture. Owning glyndwr, the last prince of wales, fought fiercely for wales. The legend of King Arthur is a welsh one, despite what the bbc want you to think. The welsh people are the oldest inhabitants of Britain. To act like there isn’t a divide between the English and the Welsh is ignorant. The welsh independence movement is also growing exponentially. Until just over a century ago most of wales was still welsh speaking, and English tourists needed translation books to be able to visit most areas. Just because England has done better at silencing us, partly by beating children who spoke welsh until they spoke English, partly by taking all our resources without paying us for them, and many other things, that doesn’t mean we aren’t still here. ‘Yea o hyd’
People always miss out that in Ireland in 1690s it was a European force fighting not for England, as it was about France throwing power around in Europe and a very European Elite trying to stop it, the Battle of Beechy head and the Battle of the Boyen with many other Battles are the same War
Highland ?
And now its ruled from Brussels.
The truth is that rather than Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland wanting to break away, we are being pushed away. England (Westminster to be precise) has soured the milk of unity so much that it's no longer palatable. If you really want a strong union, give us a reason to stay.
@eljay5009not really, considering Scotland gives england way more in tax and resources than what it takes
I've never understood why the UK has remained a unitary state rather than a federation like Canada or Australia. There are certainly greater distinctions between the four countries that make up the UK than there are between Canadian provinces or Australian states (Quebec notwithstanding). Sounds like a better alternative than a full on breakup to me.
There is barely any difference between English and Scottish people. Place is full of immigrants anyway
It's very different mate I mean I don't hate the English just the fuds in parliament
That was the point of devolution. Devolution can be similar to federalising. Look at Spain. Every bit of it is autonomous.
In Scotland’s case, there’s no real difference between the two. If I compare the Scottish parliament to Western Australia’s parliament, I can’t see any major difference in power. Each parliament legislates on matters regarding internal matters and the UK/Commonwealth government legislates on external matters.
@@stevenwood433 interesting a lot of the horrible politicians in the Westminster Parliament have been Scottish, if not by birth then education😄
if the scots want their independence they should have it...
Yeah. The sooner the better .
Forget referendum . Just give them it! Anything to get rid of them.!
@@2msvalkyrie529 haha you need us to be as rich as you are bunch of freaks
They have voted multiple times and they can never actually pick
But they don't, the people already said that they love their country🇬🇧
@@JozeManuLOL only less than half of them love uk
Funny how Britain could once hold such a massive empire and now can’t even hold the home islands
You could say this about any empire. Technology, values and times change
Like all empires, nations etc ever. It’s not just the uk, America is even more divided lol
@@haltdieklappe7972 America is not more divided. There was literally a civil war. If you don’t listen to the news most people do not care
@@shrayesraman5192 lol all I’m gonna say is whites are hated a lot over there. Would never raise my children there
@Richy G what country do you come from?
As a frenchman, I'm quite happy to see this.
The scottish are our oldest ally, auld alliance!
And the celts are just like us gaullish. They just weren't romanised.
Though, both England and France are in a similar state, a pretty bad one, particulary on imm--igration.
@Phil Literally defended since the IXth century and successfully on top of that.
Unlike London in 1066
Romanised*
And the french have stronger ties to the Irish than the Scottish. France US and Ireland tried to liberate Ireland in 1784 I think but the french fleet mostly crashed and sank, except a few ships landed on the west side of the island, so all the American and Irish troops died because the fighting was in the east and the revolution failed.
Then 100 years ago Ireland single handedly beat the British.
🤦♂🤦♂
Bro, not being "romanised".... is central in European history !!!
It's precisely what MADE France in the 1st place (else it would still be celtic Gaul, and would be completely different than today).
Someone here has clearly skipped history class in high school. 🙄🙄🤦♂🤦♂
Presumably, you support Breton and Corsican independence then?
@@goofygrandlouis6296 You really don't know History, so don't give lessons to anyone.
Scotland would have been a richer country than England had it been independent when the oil was discovered, since the oil sat outside their coast it was theirs. Instead all the revenues went to London.
Not likely. The SNP would've squandered it all away just like Chavez did in Venezuela. Still waiting on that $150/barrel of oil price that the SNP projected and based all of their budgeting assumptions on a few short years ago.
@@TheJeremyHolloway They can learn from Norway and live better.
@@TheJeremyHolloway And why would there even be an SNP if Scotland had been an independent country?!
@@mikecharters5770 Czech Slovak became more rich and strong than it on union of Austria Hungaria
Wasn't it American technology that got the oil flowing
Britain before : I used to rule more than 1/3 rd of the world
Britain now : please Scotland support us :(
1/4*
Scotland is Britain.
@@thefaithful5218 but now more people don't want to be in the union
@@hadilol Doesn't stop it from being Britain it's the British isles just like leaving the EU doesn't stop you from being European.
Scotland is Britain, but Scotland is nowhere near supporting the UK. London alone has a higher GDP than Scotland lol
If the EU thought the Irish/Northern Ireland border was a problem, wait till the England/Scottish border is negotiated. I remember when people in England had to ask their boss if they could accept Scottish Pounds.
no where near the same thing. you have 2 countries bound by a union agreement that share basically the same government. Scottish Pounds for the most part has always been legal tender. If Scotland leaves the UK it will join with the EU, something the EU has already said they would allow. Scotland would then adopt the Euro and Scotland would be just like any other EU country, they would have to exchange their money from Euro to GBP or vice versa. Also a border would not be much of a problem as there is already a clear border and no peace agreement in place like their is in Northern Ireland.
People also thinking Scotland would be worse off? Not quite, Scotland still has A LOT of oil, and oil is still going to be very profitable and still going to be used for many years to come. Not to forget but Scotland also over produces renewable energy, something it sells to france, germany, and many other EU nations. Rejoining the EU would actually become very profitable for them.
@@Fezzy976 All the best Fezzy, but I think that you're wrong
@@richardraymond878 explain why u think he’s wrong ?
The Scotish pound is not legat tender in the UK.
@@Fezzy976 get your facts right.
The Scotish pound has never been legal tender in the UK!
If Scotland goes what does that mean for Northern Ireland, which has closer cultural and ethnic connections to Scotland than England?
Well obviously NI should be reunited with Ireland, maybe there will be a new union but without England, that would've been epic, I would pay to see that
@@Mia199603 that’s like having just the United States of Wyoming and Mississippi or something
Just so we're all clear, Northern Ireland isn't part of Britain, it's part of the UK. Britain is an island. Hence why the full name is the 'United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland'
SORRY the ONLY BRITONS LIVE In Wales!! The SAXON WORD FOR FOREIGNERS
Northern Ireland only exists because when a vote to leave the UK in Ireland which had been kept in the UK by force, 26 of the 32 counties voted to leave, the remaining 6 which were predominantly Protestants who were transplanted from England and Scotland voted to remain in the UK. The British government of the day decided with their idea of a democratic election let those six counties remain because they said there would be armed insurrection . That's it in a nut shell.
[Thatcher] was deeply disliked in Scotland." That''s putting it rather mildly.
"England joined with Wales in 1536" hahahah, so basically what you are saying is:
-Spain "joined" with the Americas in 1492
-The Ottoman Empire "joined" with the Balkans in the 1400's
-Germany "joined" with Poland in 1939
British hypocrisy and double talks at its best. For any other country that would have been "invaded" and "occupied" instead.
“England joined with wales”
*Prince Llewelyn’s decapitated head being paraded though the streets of London*
Go for it Scotland and please take the North of England with you we’ve had enough of the establishment too
F@@k off I’m from the north my loyalty is to the country 🏴🇬🇧 I’m not leaving with Scotland
British; We are getting divided.
India: First time?
Normie
Karma on a country-sized level!
Africans and Arabs : Amateurs
Three nation theory the UK!
Myanmar:First time?
If it is going to happen in reality almost all south Asian countries will be the first to recognize it at the first place
True 🤣🤣🤣
@@onehope6448 Scottish industrialisation was directly related to the procurement of raw materials and oppression of forced tea plantation labour in India.
Except Nepal of course
@@onehope6448 It doesn’t matter what the people think, only the government matter to Scottish independence outside of Britain
@@onehope6448 No, not sure about that one
3:10 "split in two"? More like "torn in two".
5:10 "deeply disliked in Scotland", aye don't mention the fact that the Irish tried to assassinate her she was that horrible. She never even set foot in one of the 4 countries she was in charge of. That's some leader.
Translation: Assassination is fine as long as I disagree with their politics.
@@Voidwurm1701 who said it was fine?
Yes🏴 Scotland Independence🏴🏴
if you look at population growth since the union, it has occurred more in England and London has taken in more of the wealth. Ireland has also had better growth since being independent and in the EU. England is not the problem. Centralised power in London is. It hurts northern England as well. At least Scotland has a choice unlike others.
you know what... this is interesting because the same very thing happens in my country! all of the power resides on the south-centre part of the country and that part has most of the wealth and commodities... weird
Let's make Yorkshire independent then
England is the half of the problem...Centralized power in London is supported by England.
@@piterleik2953 Yorkshire was not a country last time I looked, pretty sure it's an area of England.
@@Entropic_Meat_Machine Wales already has an independent movement if was sitting at 38% for independence at their last poll before Brexit hit
I'm a supporter of Scottish independence because I feel that as a country Scotland should be in charge of its own decisions and future. I feel currently as part of the UK we do not achieve this. Being a supporter of Scottish independence is not anti English: I, like I'm sure most Scots have fond relations both friendship and family in England and a fondness for its many cities, people and culture. Unionists try to label those in favour of Scottish independence as anti-English and that is so far from the truth. Like any country we want to be in charge of our own affairs but this does not preclude an affection for countries in the UK and beyond.
Nonsense, are you the only person in Scotland who hasnt listened to the SNP?
Wash your ears out.
You will not be "in charge of your own decissions or future" The SNP have already made it crystal clear this wont be the case.
The SNP are trying to persuade by any means the majority of Scottish people to agree to swap Westminster for Brussels. The plan is that you will become one voice in 27 nations all with different cultures and languages instead of one of 4 voices speaking the same language!
So what precisely do you think your beloved independence is set to achieve? it's certainly not independence.
Scottish laws and Scotlands future will be decided by foreign nationals in the continent if Sturgeon persuades more people in Scotland.
France and Germany really dont give a cobblers about another tiny region the size of Lithuania or Latvia with a pile of debt. They have huge bankrupt countries ten times your size to support like Spain, Italy and Greece which they are not paying for. So be clear in your mind about this, they really dont care for tiny Scotland and powers in Brussels have said as much many times.
The SNP simply wants you to agree to end 400 years of history by swap it's governing partners.
@@spillarge funnily enough Scotland is already in charge of the vast majority of local matters (as stated in this video). I was quite surprised to see the extent of devolution that had happened in the UK and how Scotland hadn’t improved in any areas relative to devolution.
@@maxdavis7722 Yes, that's right, the Scottish Parliament now has far reaching powers and budgets to transform the lives of it's citizens within the UK group and benefits from the strength of Sterling for low borrowing rates. However, despite the cheap rates and the billions of pounds sent to Scotland from UK taxpayers in other regions annually to level the playing field, the Scottish administration is bottom of the list in delivering education, health and jobs to it's citizens. The level of drugs and alcohol abuse in the region is the worst in the UK and for health Scotland is bottom in the whole of Europe. This is wholly down to the SNP administration who are not focused on the benefits of being within the UK. They are instead wanting to hand over Scotland's powers to govern to an unelected bureaucracy in Brussels who don't give a cobblers for Scotland.
@@spillarge You’re so angry lol britain gets split up hahahahah
@@CJ-fs1zr Can't wait for English independence movement too
Andy, sign up for a deutsch post DHL plan and send those beers over to Rome bro. We’ll be more than happy to cover.
@Joanna Brexit chanches everything. Its like buying a car that ist loosing a wheel after a few miles and youre saying: why do you want to buy a new car its only a few days old...
direi in Nomen Omen, nel tuo caso
I think that us, PIGS countries, would more than cover for that beer export!
@Joanna it's almost like it's the electorate who decide the course of a countries politics and not politician's... Imagine that? Democracy? Gasp.
Same here mate, send a couple to Milan
Irish unification is a logical outcome. Scottish independence, too. The EU will welcome Scotland as a full member. No worries 🇪🇺🏴
No it won't. The EU already has major problems supporting its weaker members and Scotland has a deficit in double figures that well exceeds that 3% level required for new members. The mandatory requirment to sign up to Schengen also creates a huge issue (which is why Ireland prioritises the CTA over joining Schengen). In addition, Scotland does over 60% of its trade with the rUK and about 20% with the EU. In summary, it makes little economic sense for Scotland to leave the UK in order to join the EU, it would be an extreme act of economic self-harm. But it wouldn't happen, even if Scotland did become 'independent' the problems in joining the EU would be insurmountable and the idea would, at best be kicked down the road indefinitely. The SNP are leading disappointed remainers up the garden path by telling them that independence is the road to rejoining the EU, it just wouldn't happen, and the more the UK diverges from the EU and signs up to external trade deals that lead to lower or zero tarrif trade with the rest of the world the less sense it makes.
In summary, Scotland is not going to be rejoining the EU, unless it is as part of the UK, which is in itself highly unlikely considering the unpalatable terms the EU would demand for that to happen.
India, Pakistan and Bangladesh: well well how the turntables...
And , isreal and Palestine
Yes and since they all got independence what have they been doing? In a perpetual state of war, killing each other.
@adi bhau yes but India is a rich country today and is still big allies with the U.K. they both share trade and intelligence with each other. That’s why the U.K supports India in the Chinese/Indian border disputes as China is a threat to both the U.K and India.
@adi bhau the U.K never invaded India it set up unilateral trade with India. Also you should be blaming the high rank and powerful Indians who allowed Britain to set up base and colonise the country. Britain never attacked or invaded India thats nonsense. It always seem India as a allied power.
@0972q8 that’s because Ireland is a tax haven for big tech companies but that bubble could burst eventually. Ireland is massively dependent on foreign companies keeping its economy afloat but if those companies decide to upsticks and move that will have massive effects on the Irish economy. Britain is one of if not the biggest trading partner of Ireland. Noting anti Irish in just stating economic facts before you think I’m attacking Ireland I’m not, love Ireland think it’s a great country been over 4 times now and had a great time.
Scotland deserves its right to rule itself just like England called for in the Brexit vote so why not allow them to do the same
They had their chance 7 years ago. They don't deserve another chance .
@@jb894 And you don't get to decide whether they get to have another chance or not. Brexit tremendously changed the Scots' stance on independence so they do deserve another chance to express their opinions now
@@kaizenryan3390 yes we do. What are you gonna do when Westminster tells you you guys can't have another referendum?
Except that we said No-don't judge decent Scots by the SNP supporters,who are in the minority.
@@jb894 Britain also has the chance in 1975 and they vote Remain so why UK deserve another chance?
*changes relationship status to "its complicated"
Scotland is an independent country with no doubt. This beautiful land has been tortured by English for too long.
Scottish will get back to EU and have millions of ways to make prosperity.
I haven't tortured your land. What are you talking about man.
yeah what are you talking about man we are the 6th richest country so we must be doing something right.
Go on my Scottish friends 🇮🇪🇮🇪🏴🏴
Why? You seen the SNP?!
@@user-ug8wx5er1w It's a lefty they hate our countrys Nd us.. But they are too kowardly to fight so We must fight THEM
Thank you 😊🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴🏴❤
@@ciaranina2392 bla bla bla you got rainbow wrote all over you 😣
@@ciaranina2392 🇮🇪🇮🇪🇮🇪👍🍻
Scotland and England playing uno
Scotland: "let us be independent or draw 25"
England: *draws 25*
"England" can't 'let' Scotland be Independent... If anything England belongs to Scotland!
Scotland joined with England when a Scottish king became the English Monarch, and Scotland have always wanted this union, now they just pretend to want out because they think they can join another larger union, but things don't work like that.
@@rphb5870 Why not? It did work for others. You don't own Scotland, they can decide themselves what to do.
@@rphb5870 what utter nonsense, Scotland has never wanted this union, try reading up on history
@Lil PUMP what, do you think that will stop? The vast majority of trade was with the EU yet the UK still left ,🤷 think!!!
UK in 1921: Rule Britannia!
UK in 2021: I can't even rule over Britannia :(
Sad moment
@@verden2323 feel sorry for the Scottish, for them to be forced against their will and freedom
@@florendraarif7125 how were they forced against their will and freedom? They got their votes and they voted no didn't they? And they willingly joined the union??
@@verden2323 its sad that Britain doesn't rule an empire over the world anymore?
@@georgeclarke4686 before brexit, thats why its necessary to hold another referendum
England should have a referendum as to whether it wants to be a part of the uk. I think people might be surprised by the result.
Well Wales and England would most likely stay together since they both share similar views even though they both share similar views and northern Ireland isn't supported as much as it used to be both the English and Irish support Northern Ireland's return due to the fact that the UK pays more to northern Ireland than it actually generates
There are so many historical inaccuracies in this, starting with the abysmal map of the British empire
They seem to be confused over the current events in Ireland and are twisting that to suit their agenda also. The Econamist is not worth the paper it's printed on.
Yeah, what year was that map supposed to be anyway, ~1821? Britain didn't have Israel/Palestine until after WW2. How could they have got it so wrong?!
It simply shows all of the land Britain ever owned, rather than what it owned at any specific time
@@silverhost9782 I suspect you're right, but that's not what the voiceover suggests, it's very misleading
You should explain the method for measuring the Scottish deficit - the pro-indy argument typically doesn't just accept the GERS figures and say "but we'll grow" it tends to challenge the measurement itself as limited or gerrymandered.
@boab boab You have never lived in enough other places or studied those places enough to understand that your comment on corruption is utterly laughable.
@boab boab IT is possible to make a very accurate educated guess about a persons credentials/ ability by noting the amount of absolute horsesh1t that they talk.
You can look at a map of the world and literally pick the Former British Empire as the least corrupt region on earth. This is based on perception of course but it does not take a genius to work out that nations with non existent auditing of government funding, militaries who directly control the economy and thousands of voters in holes in the ground do not score top!
Where else have you lived other than Glasgow?
@@Jafmanz "one of the most corrupt places in the western world" ; "Former British Empire as the least corrupt region on earth". In your bull rush to 'prove' how clever and superior you are to @boab boab, you either forgot to read, or forgot to think.
As a European hisorian I strongly support the peoples' right to self-determination. We have seen the impact of the fall of both Austria-Hungaria, Yugoslavia and the USSR. Despite the struggles every people should have the right to self governance.
@@firstnamesurname5376 Scotland will be an independent sovereign nation with its own democracy and both foreign and domestic policy.
@@firstnamesurname5376 you're not independent. Did you vote for Brexit?
@@firstnamesurname5376 but that was before Brexit. I'd not be so sure you'd get 50% votes if you made a new referendum this year))
Very well put, Sir
So every person should be able to be his own government? How far do you devolve?
I’m English,but I think it’s pityful the way our people are so blinded by politicians.The people you find talking down on Brexit are usually the ones that voted for it.
It doesn’t matter who you vote for: the politicians always get in.
Brexit was always a bad idea
this is why Scotland wants to escape the English tories
And hasn't the result been lovely. Not!
At 02:55 Dutch drawing and text: “Engelse Quakers en Tabakplanters aende Barbados”, made in Amsterdam, 1726.
"such a neat divorce would have few precedents"
Czech republic & slovakia: *anime light-up glasses*
It wouldn’t be anything like that. You should know that.
Austria Hungary springs to my mind why not yours?
Norway and Sweden 1905?
Serbia and Montenegro
England is neither of these.......they like to do things the hard way.
Great Britain wouldn’t be so Great if this happens!
Great Britain is the name of the island not the country so it wouldn't matter a jot, if Scotland left.
@@kennyandlizingram13 I was just making a play on words joke, but true
All the "great" means is that England is larger in area than Brittany.
The O.K.
@@kennyandlizingram13
Well it would matter because it wouldn’t be Great Britain anymore, it’d just be Britain. Scotland represents ‘Greater Britain’, Wales and England are Britain. If you add Scotland to England and Wales it becomes Great Britain. Remove Scotland and you have Britain.
The City in London is not part of the UK.
The King has to ask permission to enter The City.
So much for the brexiters whining about sovereignty and border security...
Those that promoted brexit profited from the pound falling so no wonder they 'ignored' The City.
I think once Queen Elizabeth 2 passes, the UK will break apart
@traditional arts Scottish independence is about scotland being its own country
The power of UK lies in the hands of queen , when queen die England will suffer
@@THESLlCK what whilst being under E.U control and policy? Sturgeon thinks she can use the E.U as a cash cow, but she’ll be in for a shock because the last thing the E.U want is another Greece on their hands.
@@ayushagrawal1321 sorry you make no sense
@@matty6848 Scotland has funded England since the 1970's
If Scotland become independent, Countries with union jack will change their flag right?
their flag would look horrible
@@K-TheLetter tbh as much as I like the union Jack, putting it on other flags looks pretty dumb. I wish the new Zealand flag referendum would've passed
@@K-TheLetter they should add english flag i guess.... England was the original country which took all these colonies
@@starscream1457 no only UsA was England colony
@@starscream1457 and india
If Scotland is such a drag on UK finances, why is the UK so desperate to keep Scotland?
for sovereignty and stability which keeps a country going...not for economics
natural resources like water, oil, lumber, wind, fish. Geopolitical values as well, controlling waters around scotland means you control who can come in and out of the atlantic from the north sea
No country ever likes to give up territory, treasure or people. It's a loss of prestige and standing on the world stage, and it creates all sorts of administrative headaches. Just imagine trying to decide which parts of the UK armed forces are Scottish and which parts are English. Both new armies would be functionally inoperable for years.
@@cinderball1135 "Both new armies would be functionally inoperable for years." - With an impending conflict with Russia and maybe China around the corner this might be the best thing for the UK.
England is England,
Scotland is Scotland.
You like it if Scotland rule England ?
yes. Rather that than independence
Actually, considering that it was a Scottish King that took over England in 1603, and not the other way around, and the fact that it has been a running joke for many years that the civil service is dominated by Scots it is arguable that that has always been the situation.