with a stride length of 25 feet {versus 20 feet for most race horses} , averaging 37.7 mph in each triple crown race [setting records in all three}, and a larger heart actually in physical size than most horses. He is the horse of the century and it was a privilege to have seen him race.
Man of war fue el mas rapido , pero cama Cual en su tiempo , Ya que Man of war es el visabuelo de secretariat, sin man of war no hybride habido secretariat , saludos 👍
@im trying to sleep leave. Secretariat was some kid of special - no doubt. Try running him 30 times a hyr. often with added weight in his bag. It was called Handicap. Dude - Check out Nfl Films - Games. of the 1950's - 60's and 70's. THAT Was Football
both Seabiscuit and Secretariat had huge hearts. the average thoroughbreds heart weight is 8 lbs. biscuits was 14 lbs and Sec’s was 22 lbs. so biscuits heart was nearly twice the size and Sec’s was nearly 3 times the size. so in a long distance run, sec would obviously beat anything on four legs as he could pump more oxygen into every muscle of his body than any other race horse that existed. this is why his record at the Belmont of 2:24 still stands and will never be broken. now as for speed biscuit was built to be a sprinter. he once fell behind as he stumbled at the gate and was so angry that he actually ran a quarter mile to catch up faster than the quarter horses of his time and the speed he ran it could not be broken by any quarter or distance race horse even to this day. when biscuit got angry he was astounding. both biscuit and sec had huge hearts. sec’s was monstrous and may never be seen again. so in a long distance race sec would win but coming down to the stretch in a shorter distance competition, biscuit would fly past him as he was built to be a sprinter. George Wolf said that Seabiscuit was built like a tank, the most muscular horse he ever rode. both of these legends were super intelligent horses.
It is an embarrassment to any horse to compare him to Secretariat the ABSOLUTE greatest race horse ever, period!!!! Well actually Secretariat was one of the greatest athletes to ever compete in any sport.
Both racehorses have great accomplishments, Seabiscuit was born with crooked legs. It was a wonder to have them straightened out, and be able to run on track. Secretariat beat world records. Seabiscuit even has a who was book written about him.
Secretariat is moving like a tremendous machine.... he’s nearly a 1/16 in front of the other horses.. You will NOT EVER HEAR that again in a Triple Crown Race An amazing horse to be sure!!!
@@charlesdow4802 i was at belmont when his son risen star won when he was flying do the stretch to win by 18 the crowd was yelling go big red his father's nickname.
Man O War's times over the exact same distances were not even close to Secretariats. I don't give a damn about voters, they are biased. Times do not lie, but humans do.
@@johnbougae8314 I am partial to viewing Secretariat as the greatest of all time, but -- times can be deeply misleading. Man o'War, who set more records than Secretariat, almost always won under a strong hold; only once was he seriously challenged. Man o'War wore heavier (steel vs aluminum) shoes than Secretariat did. Man o'War did not run on tracks that were nearly as fast as today's. Man o'War carried a lot more weight than Secretariat did in his races. This is not human bias: those are plain facts. And aside from all that, I suspect you'd be surprised at how many track and even world records have been set by obscure horses. Winning against top horses impresses me more than setting fast times, an attitude more typical of European racing fans than of an American, which I am. Times lie in other ways. Comparing times at the same distance on different tracks is always problematic (though I've done it), or even on the same track on different days. Heck, conditions can vary enormously on a track from race to race on a given day. And even within a specific race, the trip any specific horse gets can make a lot of difference in their time and the results of the race. The careers of both MoW and Secretariat are proof of that. Man o'War's sole loss was the result of a horrendous start; and Secretariat's fourth place finish in his maiden was due to being slammed between horses out of the gate and then impeded in the stretch. Man o'War was clearly the best horse in the Sanford, and Secretariat was clearly the best horse in his maiden. My knock against Man o'War (and also Ruffian, and to a somewhat lesser degree, Zenyatta) is that he did not run against particularly strong competition. He never met Exterminator, the next greatest horse active in the U.S. during his time; and he met Sir Barton, an excellent horse, on the wrong day. Sir Barton reportedly lost all four shoes in that match race. Secretariat met and defeated the best horses on dirt and turf active in North America at the time, with the exception of the European filly Dahlia, who came to the U.S. in November of 1973. I rank Secretariat first. But I wouldn't be shocked, were it possible, if Man o'War -- or Frankel or Seattle Slew or Dr. Fager or Citation or some other horses -- could consistently beat him at certain distances/surfaces. (Seabiscuit, though, is not one of those other horses. A great horse, but he is not in the running for top 10 of U.S. horses, much less greatest of all time.)
Love Seabiscuit and loved to see him win, but Secretariat was the fastest race horse ever - it's still jaw-dropping watching him win the Belmont Stakes by 31 lengths. The careers of both horses were great stories.
Every one talks about the Belmont rightfully as it was the greatest destruction of fellow horses ever. But in the short Preakness were Secretariat broke slow he put it into a gear that I’ve never seen from a horse and blew past everyone creating a track record despite the poor start that still stands. I always thought of him as a drag racer popping it into another gear that other cars simply don’t have.
I always wondered what the other jockies thought when Secretariat went blowing by like he did . Everyone is always claiming that Sham would have been the triple crown winner any other year but I'm not sure that Sham could have caught the other horses like that starting so far back.
i read somewhere that the other jockeys in the Preakness commented that "it felt like a freight train going by" and "it blew the number off my sleeve". pretty sure the 2nd one was exaggeration, but still...
one thing i never seem to see people say is.. I think that Secretariat was a true competitor and hunter.. He would wait in the back and size everyone up, gauging them. Then would crush them.
Cole Bobo You’re right! I’ve read everything I could find about him, and he was highly intelligent, and according to Ron Turcotte, as his jockey all he really needed to do was to Not Fall Off! Big Red pretty much his own man and did things HIS way. Gotta love 💕 him for that 🥰
I'll never forget Penny Chenery saying about the Preakness that Ronnie would have never asked him to move that early in the race. It had to be what the horse wanted to do. Secretariat had come to understand racing. Ronnie had come to trust him. There wasn't much a jockey could do to change him. There wasn't much need to.
toadsonytwo...Hate to burst your bubble but they are showing Seabiscuit winning because he broke a record at Pimlico against War Admiral that beat Secretariats Pimlico time.....
@@TheBlockDocs American Pharoah was nowhere near Secretariat’s time. Secretariat ran in 2:24. American Pharoah ran in 2:26.65. That was good enough for 6th fastest ever.
Hard to compare horses from two different eras. Yes, Secretariat's times were about three seconds better at Pimlico than Seabiscuit's (during the match race). But Seabiscuit was almost two years older. Secretariat also had the advantage of better nutrition, better dental care, and better pharmacology. Thoroughbreds today do take steroids to maintain their muscle mass. Plus there is just no way of knowing what Seabiscuit would have done when he got a good look at Secretariat. The Biscuit ran hard enough to beat War Admiral. What would he have done if Secretariat had been standing there?
honestly, it's amazing that The Biscuit ran as well as he did, considering his smaller size and poor conformation. he was a great horse with a lot of heart, for sure, but i think if they were ever to have met, it would end the same way Secretariat shut down Sham.
amcmordie 145 Phar lap was beautiful and very, very large also! Love all horses. Secretariat my favorite of course. I really loved "Funny Cide" too. The best gelding to ever race.
I love an underdog! Seabiscuit was a great horse with a great heart. However, Secretariat was a greater horse with a greater heart. Two wonderful horses, hard not to love them both.
Specialty C. S. Kentucky Derby, record that still stands. Preakness Stakes, record that still stands. Belmont Stakes, record that still stands. Are we noticing a pattern here?
TEKKEN KING,,,,There is no such record of any other Horse except Secretariat running 2:24 over the 1. I/2 mile distance, Secretariat practically sprinted the whole 1.1/2 mile, no other horse has ever come closely, so don't come here with your fictional horse Phar Lap are whatever its called, indeed Dr Fagor was even more awesome than your horse, for he ran a track record with 140lbs on his back.
Hate to burst your bubble but they are showing seabiscuit winning because when he beat War Admiral he broke a record that beat Secretariats time at Pimlico.. thus Seabiscuit winning against Secretariat....and I Love both of them...
I'm glad we will never know. Both horses had that mystic about them, it does no justice to either to take away what legends these two will forever be.Who would I pick to win? I won't. I don't want to know. I love the legends come back alive in the.eyes of my grandson. Legends are forever and man were these two Legends.
Its impossible to ever tell, some horses just like some humans are very competitive. Seabiscuit was a horse that was very competitive, he ran against the other horses in the race and Secretariat was a horse that could run against the clock. My meaning is that would Seabiscuit run harder against a Secretariat if he was in the field with him and the answer would be an undoubtably yes. And would Secretariat have anything more to give if he had a horse that could challenge him, we will never know because he never had a race that was close. Seabiscuit was said to run with his ears up (forward) and look to his side at the horse challenging him and then just shift gears and leave them behind. I have had horses like that that just seem to play with other horses working as hard as they can, and then just look back and kick dirt in thier face, and look to be laughing as they race away from them. The point I am making is that competitive horses only run against what shows up to run and if they are not that great they still win but just dont have to put out the extra effort because the competition isnt there. The movie Seabiscuit actually tells the story of the great horse War Admiral running against him and his jock telling people that he held him back so War Admiral could be brought up to challenge him stride for stride then said he was to let him go and watch what he will do. He was right,
Two of the greatest race horses of all time! Not fair to compare. Years ago had a chance to meet Seattle Slew my favorite of all time. He still had the fire in his eyes
Lot of conjecture here, but at the end of the day one has to salute Secretariat and Seabiscuit. Both made it to the big time, and both made it to the big screen.
All i want is two horses like Seabiscuit and Secretariat!!One with a big heart i just luv Seabiscuit and ofcourse Secratariat blessed with physical superiority and good looks !!Both amazing in their own ways 🐴🐴❤️❤️
Seabiscuit WINS! The Preakness, Kentucky Derby and Belmont tracks all played much quicker in the 1970s than they did in the 1930s, with much improved and quicker grounds conditioning. Secretariat's triple crown times average a little over 4 seconds faster than fellow triple crown winner, War Admiral. Seabiscuit defeated War Admiral by over 4 lengths and led wire to wire, in their match race. He also had one of the largest recorded jockeys riding him. Seabiscuit was also widely known to play up and down to his competition. Even track, even jockeys, one on one...Seabiscuit wins, with a heart 3 times the size of an average horse.
No. Seabiscuit would have been like “pfft the is over “ and won by 4 lengths. Secretariat was no better that war admiral was, can’t u secretariat peeps just deal with that fact?!
@@adammeyer3129 - - - You're right. People lie, even when they think they're telling the truth. Times don't lie. Look at the times, Snowman. It's Secretariat, by a time zone.
We will never know how great Seabiscuit could have been if Smith trained him from the start. People seem to forget this horse was abused as a 2 and 3 year old, running race after race. They also seem to forget he also broke track records, like when he beat War Admiral.
Seabiscuit was talented, and a wonderful competitor/racehorse. Secretariat was a physical marvel, and could carry his (high) speed farther than any other TB I've ever seen. Secretariat, handily.
We'll never know? Lmao we already know, it's called numbers. Secretariat would absolutely berate Seabiscuit on a track. Stop using your heart over your head.
History has given us great horses from Man o War to Frankel. But Secretariat was the greatest horse to ever put four hooves on a race track. He will never be surpasssed and will be the measuring stick for all great horses of our tine (American Pharoe).
I was 14 years old when I worked at Helen Chenery Meadow stable in Virginia where Secretariat was born raised and first trained. I was a hot walker and exercise rider. I'm not saying that I rode Secretariat nor am I saying that I hot walked him. All I am saying is that I got to turn him out and feed him a couple times when he was a yearling. I am proud of those moments to have been in the presents of such a legend
Horses...humans best example of symbiotic relationships with nature to learned from courageous acts to inspire during harsh times..."My horse, My kingdom for my horse"
Secretariat and Seabiscuit let me say after years of research Seabiscuit wouldn't have been shamed ..... Probably the only horse that could have given Secretariat a run....
I believe it would have been a close exciting race. I also believe Seabisquit would have pulled it off on sheer guts and determination. Let him look Red in the eye and then turn him loose. Not that I'm some expert, just my opinion.
Big Red's Belmont was the most amazing athletic achievement I have seen in my 68 yrs on this earth. Seabiscuit had the heart and guts of a hero . Why do we need to decide anything . God bless them both ! Never saw Citation run but in a match race would take either the biscuit or Big Red and bet my last dime
Defeated a Triple Crown winner? Since only one TC winner (Justify) has retired undefeated, and only Justify and Count Fleet remained unbeaten after the Belmont (due to not having run any races after the Belmont) lots of horses have beaten Triple Crown winners. Exceller beat 2 Triple Crown winners, Affirmed and Seattle Slew, in the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup. Assault lost a total of 24 races, Whirlaway a total of 28, so it's a good bet plenty of those losses came after the Triple Crown. Secretariat lost 2 times after the Triple Crown, American Pharoah once post TC, Seattle Slew 3 times, Affirmed 5 times. Citation, ranked one of the greatest Triple Crown winners, lost 12 races after the Triple Crown. Two of War Admiral's 5 losses came after the Triple Crown.
This is such an awesome video. Secretariat looks to see how close Seabiscuit is. Then all a sudden you can see the power of secretariat went full blast. He is my favorite horse. I have one with secretariat back ground and he is amazing. Didn’t want to race even with one of the best jockeys, Mike Smith.
Secretariat will never ever be replaced is the fastest horse ever there was another horse it was placed two seconds behind him. He was unique a combination of heart and speed attitude and intelligence but damn Seabiscuit was f****** amazing
Both great stories, mainly because of the people involved and how their beliefs in themselves, in each other, and in their respective horses, were validated by the extraordinary horses. Seabiscuit is simply a wonderful story, an exceptional horse. Secretariat is on another level: Secretariat's Belmont Stakes race is unlikely to ever be beaten. For those of us who watched it happen, it was a nearly incomprehensible feat to witness.
They said that Biscuit could never beat War Admiral; yet, the little guy with the big heart beat him and broke him to never race again. I would say that is a major accomplishment! I love Secretariat, too. Seabiscuit would have raced another race of the century against Secretariat.
both Seabiscuit and Secretariat had huge hearts. the average thoroughbreds heart weight is 8 lbs. biscuits was 14 lbs and Sec’s was 22 lbs. so biscuits heart was nearly twice the size and Sec’s was nearly 3 times the size. so in a long distance run, sec would obviously beat anything on four legs as he could pump more oxygen into every muscle of his body than any other race horse that existed. this is why his record at the Belmont of 2:24 still stands and will never be broken. now as for speed biscuit was built to be a sprinter. he once fell behind as he stumbled at the gate and was so angry that he actually ran a quarter mile to catch up faster than the quarter horses of his time and the speed he ran it could not be broken by any quarter or distance race horse even to this day. when biscuit got angry he was astounding. both biscuit and sec had huge hearts. sec’s was monstrous and may never be seen again. so in a long distance race sec would win but coming down to the stretch in a shorter distance competition, biscuit would fly past him as he was built to be a sprinter. George Wolf said that Seabiscuit was built like a tank, the most muscular horse he ever rode. both of these legends were super intelligent horses.
Jason hi. I trained as a jockey prior a major accident. I have generations of jockeys in my family including two cousins now. I worked with thoroughbreds for a large chunk of my life. Secretariot was and is clearly the fastest horse known throughout history. It may have been a medical anomaly because he had a oversized heart. "around double the normal size". The point is even 47 years later the belmont race times are all nearly identical and even throughout its hundred plus year history. Except Secretariots race time wich is still over 30 lengths faster. 30 lengths is a remarkable difference. Like i said search all history. Even in ancient history. There is no horse recorded faster. We had a miracle. A absolute miracle and you can actually see it on video. And you can deny it? Sir i must admit you are a different kind of silly. Jason call any major horse stable in idk Kentucky. Talk to the trainer making a million dollars a year. Ask that person if there was a horse throughout all history they ever heard of faster than Secretariot. Secretariot is a Majestic Figure to Horsemen worth there salt. I still tear up watching the Belmont. In short to watch a horse in both the Kentucky and Preakness come from dead last and win both is nuts. To understand in the Preakness Secretariot was not only dead last but set even still today the fastest time on that race. Then win the Belmont by 31 lengths and you reject this horses Majesty? And you can watch it live on film? And that doesn't even count the fact that in the Preakness the second fastest time ever was by Sham in the same race. Jason you are just plain out retarded im afraid.
@@theaubad1006 Nope, I agree with the vast majority of racing experts and historians, Man O' War was the greatest of all time and it's not even close. When he retired, he had more Track records, American records, and World records than Secretariat when he went to stud. The AP, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Blood Horse, and many other publications voted Man O' War over Secretariat for Horse of the Century. I challenge all of your trainers opinions. Secretariat only has one record that still on the books. Kelso still has a more impressive 2 mile record that still stands to this day and he broke the record in 1964. Secretariats heart was not unusual for the day, Sham's was also twice the size of the average Thoroughbreds heart. Why? Well, Hall of Fame Trainer Elliott Burch said that Steroids became known in Horse Racing in the 60's and was rampant by the 70's, which easily explains Secretariats, Sham's, and other horses enlarged hearts. It also explains Secretariats issues at stud until he was cycled off of his Steroids use. Sports Illustrated wrote an article about Secretariats issues in the early 80's. Sham was Secretariats only competition, look at the race results of Secretariats competition, not very impressive. Man O' War didn't just beat the previous years triple crown winner Sir Barton, he destroyed him. Sir Barton had just set a World Record only three weeks prior to their race. Man O' War was by far the greatest, all without any possibility of Steroid use. Man O' War was bigger, had more muscle mass, and faster than the second and wannabe Big Red.
Jason obviously you never worked in the thoroughbred horse industry. That opinion is like saying flat earthers are the majority. Man o war was a great horse indeed. Not as fast by records as Secretariot. I and my family are generations of professional jockeys. I think i might understand horse racing better than you do. Saying you dont care what the top thoroughbred horse trainers and jockeys professional opinion is. Is ignorant and just shows you intellectually in a bad light. Its your opinion and i respect that. But its not a majority opinion in any stretch by the people who work everyday with these animals. Who specialize in this very sport, animal care, and handling. Jason im afraid you are a snowflake.So as a snowflake we disagree. So by snowflake rules we cant be friends. Goodbye sjw Oh dont forget your tin foil hat for you to enjoy in your safe space. FN retard.
in theory i agree. but in reality i wouldnt bet my house against seabuiscit. i mean this horse had the greatest personality ever. i still watch his race vs war admiral and i cant believe he beat him. a small horse with the greatest heart. and my all time favourite as he raced many many times and was beating younger horses at the age of 7. may be secreteriat the best ever at his 3 but overall i go with seabuiscit.
I have a different view - I think Seabiscuit could have beaten Secretariat. It seems from the stories of Seabiscuit he was intentionally held back until such time that he would see the competing horse. That was a problem in terms of achieving the best times - a big problem. He had training issues early on and needed to run that way. Had he been trained better, especially during his early years, this issue might not of held him back from running at his full potential - meaning he would have not hesitated to run full out at all times, as did all other race horses. At least that's my theory. Any thoughts on this?
People there are a lot of awesome horses , only one with the heart and legs of Gods “Secretariat” the greatest athlete ever period , everything else human or animal is behind in comparison , what that horse did is jaw dropping , the Belmont brings tears every time and why is that it’s because we humans got a peak at the real Super natural
Greatness is best measured in adversity overcome. Secretariat had the unfair advantage of an enlarged heart, was not undersized, did not have physically defective knees, did not have to run close to 90 races, was not trained to intentionally lose the first half of his career, was not physically abused, did not carry the same imposts and lived in a more advanced era of edicine and training. Seabiscuit didn’t have any of those luxuries and still dominated. All of his by-a-nose losses were due to being blatantly fouled or his jockey hiding partial blindness. He smashed multiple records, travelled excessively and came back from a career ending injury... and I’ll give you one more... Seabiscuit’s fastest half-mile time, 44 1/5 in the middle of an endurance race at Santa Anita, is FASTER than Secretariat’s fastest half-mile time of 46 1/5 at Belmont in 1973. At the end of that same race, Seabiscuit did the impossibly by accelerating to race the final opponent to the wire... he had freakish speed, endurance and a refusal to quit. If it came down to 10 match races, I would wager Seabiscuit winning at least some of them and dying in the process. Secretariat had an anatomically oversized heart, Seabiscuit had a metaphorically oversized heart. That makes them the two greatest in my opinion.
Seabiscuit did *not* "break" a leg, which in normal parlance means a fracture. He did break down, however. He ruptured a suspensory ligament, a soft tissue injury which is not life-threatening but is often career- ending.
I honestly expected this video would end with a shot of Secretariat eating a bucket of oats with a wreath of flowers around his neck as that other horse crossed the finish line.
Secretariat had an enlarged heart - could process more oxygen and therefore run WAY faster. He never passed his RUN ability on to his colts but produced a few good fillies that went on to produce Champions. This comparison is silly and I think Big Red would have taken it......
First off, obviously Secretariat would slaughter Seabiscuit. But about the colts, American Pharaoh is the great great great grandson of Big Red, and he was the TC. He also holds one of the fastest Belmont times ever at 2:26, although it's nowhere near Secretariats, no horses is
Regarding Seabiscuit's colts. First of all, both died at relatively young ages (Seabiscuit at 14, Secretariat at 18). Both were bred to a limited number of mares, but even so Secretariat produced around 600 foals where Seabiscuit only produced slightly over 100. Seabiscuit stood at stud during WWII, when the sport of horse racing experienced a significant decline in the western US, and shipping mares to California was a bit more difficult than it is now.
I enjoyed the Seabiscuit movie better than Secretariat. They used some of the dorkiest moving horses for the races in Secretariat. They looked like they shouldn't even be on the track, let alone runnin. They used a fabulous horse in the Seabiscuit movie for the War Admiral/Seabiscuit matchup. Stellar filming, stellar movie!
Big Red....Secretariat... set records that still stand today when he race in the 3 races of the Triple crown...this is the only true way to compare over time( not a pun).................
And with a bad start in the Preakness. He was dead last entering the first turn . Then a couple of seconds later he was in the lead. He blazed by the other horses like they were not moving. A couple of the riders later said it felt like a freight train going by. I have never seen anything like that. As impressive as his Belmont was that burst of speed at the Preakness was the most amazing thing ever.
Fun fact……Sea Biscuit was almost the same size as War Admiral. War Admirals dam was undern15mhands 15 hands and so was War Admiral. Man O War was a couple of inches over 16 hands
Seabiscuit was Great - the Best Horse of the first part of the 20th Century. Secretariat was the Best Horse of the second half of the 20th Century. In a Match Race: Secretariat just Too Big, Powerful and Good for the Runt, and what a Magnificent Runt he was.
Personally, I think this video is wrong on so many levels! True, they were 2 different types of horses. Secretariat was built! "Big Red", had thick cannon bones, a huge heart which made him metabolize oxygen more efficiently. His numbers have not been beaten in 44 years! Seabiscuit had shorter legs, a shorter neck. He couldn't have had the stride that Secretariat had. However, I know that most people thought that Seabiscuit was a dud in the beginning. He did show them! OK, my favorite was Secretariat. We all have favorites, we have to give credit when credit is due. Seabiscuit was a fine horse, Secretariat was an American Icon!
I like to think Secretariat was God’s favorite pet. Like one reporter said on Belmont Day “It’s like God whispered in his ear...””Go””! It was the greatest sports triumph in history and the epitome of Devine creation
The real interesting matchup would have been Secretariat and Man 'O War. Two big, fast, beautiful chestnuts, both nicknamed "Big Red". Because of the different starting systems their times cannot be reasonably compared, but that might have been a horse race.
I remember when Secretariat was shocking the world. He was truly the greatest horse God ever put together. In the world of Horse racing, he was a God. No horse before or after could have or would have beaten him in his prime. No horse. Period. Don't even try to argue against it. It's no use.
When another horse wins the Triple Crown while breaking the race record for all 3 races, then that horse will be better than Secretariat. Until then...
Knowing a little bit about horses there's a lot of things you have to take it's a consideration and knowing what I know that would be too close to call do I think Seabiscuit would have won the Belmont in 73 probably not but then again I'm not sure that
American Pharoah couldn't beat Secretariat's record and the only horse I know that came close was a horse called Onion Who came from 2 blood lines of horse racing champions.
billie price You say "American Pharoah couldn't beat Secretariat's record." Which record? I suppose you mean one or any of the stakes records for the Triple Crown races, which is true. But the records Secretariat set were not solely in the Triple Crown races; he set 5 stakes records, 5 track records, and 2 world/surface records. Some have been broken since. Farma Way in the 1991 Pimlico Special broke Secretariat's Pimlico track record for 1 3/16 miles. Secretariat's stakes record for the Preakness still stands, however. In 1989 Easy Goer beat Secretariat's Gotham stakes record and Aqueduct track record for 1 mile. Secretariat's world dirt record for 1 1/8 miles, set in the 1973 Marlboro Cup, was broken in 1988 by Simply Majestic. Onion, so far as I am aware, never came close to beating any of Secretariat's records. If you going to make that claim, you're going to have to be specific with track/distance/race/time. Onion did beat Secretariat, in the Whitney, but he wasn't by any means the only horse to ever defeat Secretariat, and in any case defeating a horse doesn't mean a record has been broken. Two different things, that. Nor do I know what you're referring to when you say Onion descended from 2 lines of champions, since every Thoroughbred has champions somewhere in its bloodlines. Neither of Onion's parents, Third Martini and With A Flair, were particularly distinguished; With A Flair wasn't a stakes winner, and Third Martini was a multiple stakes winner, but not of high grade stakes. Onion's 2nd and 3rd generation ancestors Hasty Road and Count Fleet were champions, however.
Secretariat is the greatest hos ever with his large heart, stride and lung capacity! Seabiscuit was a great horse, but there is only one SECRETARIAT!!!
The thing that some may be forgetting is that SECRETARIAT, in the last half of the Belmont was running ALL ALONE, and getting faster with each stride! From 8 lengths to 31 lengths he had NO COMPETITION to drive him, because SHAM was out of the competition by the time they were 4 lengths apart, and no other horse bringing up a challenge, as Secretariat headed to a track record, (...,and NO WHIP, mind you!)! Seabiscuit - A FANTASTIC HORSE for sure, but I don't see him outrunning Secretariat!
@@joewhitehead3 Me and my uncle argued about this the other day. My uncle said that Seabiscuit could've/could beat any other horse. I told him "Look, Seabiscuit might've beat War Admiral, but Secretariat won the 1973 Triple Crown, his greatest race was the 1973 Belmont Stakes, then he went on to sire Risen Star, who won 1988 Preakness and Belmont Stakes, he was also the grandfather of A.P. Indy who won the 1992 Belmont Stakes, the great grandfather of Rags To Riches who won the 2007 Belmont Stakes and he is related to the 2 most recent Triple Crown Winners American Pharaoh and Justify, so tell me what has Seabiscuit done that Secretariat hasn't? My uncle couldn't say another word.
one thing i never seem to see people say is.. I think that Secretariat was a true competitor and hunter.. He would wait in the back and size everyone up, gauging them. Then would crush them.
Secretariat''s times are likely to stand in perpetuity...he was a freak of nature and an act of God - Sorry Seabiscuit, War Admiral and American Pharoh...all great horses in their own rights...but there is only 1 GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) Secretariat ...Belmont was his Everest and he dominated! RIP to all the fine horses mentioned...
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with a stride length of 25 feet {versus 20 feet for most race horses} , averaging 37.7 mph in each triple crown race [setting records in all three}, and a larger heart actually in physical size than most horses. He is the horse of the century and it was a privilege to have seen him race.
I envy you!!
That was Secretariat, not Seabiscuit
Man of war fue el mas rapido , pero cama Cual en su tiempo , Ya que Man of war es el visabuelo de secretariat, sin man of war no hybride habido secretariat , saludos 👍
Seabisquit was an emotional favorite at a time when the country needed that. Secretariat was a world beating force of nature.
Seabiscuit could scorch the track at the end of the same race where he flew out in front. Also use to race 30 or so a yr.
@im trying to sleep leave. Secretariat was some kid of special - no doubt. Try running him 30 times a hyr. often with added weight in his bag. It was called Handicap. Dude - Check out Nfl Films - Games. of the 1950's - 60's and 70's. THAT Was Football
A tremendous machine.....if you will
both Seabiscuit and Secretariat had huge hearts. the average thoroughbreds heart weight is 8 lbs. biscuits was 14 lbs and Sec’s was 22 lbs. so biscuits heart was nearly twice the size and Sec’s was nearly 3 times the size. so in a long distance run, sec would obviously beat anything on four legs as he could pump more oxygen into every muscle of his body than any other race horse that existed. this is why his record at the Belmont of 2:24 still stands and will never be broken. now as for speed biscuit was built to be a sprinter. he once fell behind as he stumbled at the gate and was so angry that he actually ran a quarter mile to catch up faster than the quarter horses of his time and the speed he ran it could not be broken by any quarter or distance race horse even to this day. when biscuit got angry he was astounding. both biscuit and sec had huge hearts. sec’s was monstrous and may never be seen again. so in a long distance race sec would win but coming down to the stretch in a shorter distance competition, biscuit would fly past him as he was built to be a sprinter. George Wolf said that Seabiscuit was built like a tank, the most muscular horse he ever rode. both of these legends were super intelligent horses.
Same as phar lap,raced for everyone
It is an embarrassment to any horse to compare him to Secretariat the ABSOLUTE greatest race horse ever, period!!!! Well actually Secretariat was one of the greatest athletes to ever compete in any sport.
agreed
Both racehorses have great accomplishments, Seabiscuit was born with crooked legs. It was a wonder to have them straightened out, and be able to run on track. Secretariat beat world records. Seabiscuit even has a who was book written about him.
Well there were 40 years between the horses, but it sure would have been on hell of a match!
I think Man O War was the greatest. He was also Grandfather to SEABISCUIT and Father to War Admiral another triple crown winner
ESPN did the 100 greatest athletes of the 20 th century 1 non human made the list it wasn’t Seabiscuit
Secretariat is moving like a tremendous machine.... he’s nearly a 1/16 in front of the other horses..
You will NOT EVER HEAR that again in a Triple Crown Race
An amazing horse to be sure!!!
"He's in a position where he's impossible to catch!"
I can’t stop crying!!!
So amazing, so important
@@sugarbear1965 I’ve watched his incredible Belmont run at least 100 time I tear up every single time
@@charlesdow4802 i was at belmont when his son risen star won when he was flying do the stretch to win by 18 the crowd was yelling go big red his father's nickname.
@@charlesdow4802 I hear you. There is something magical about Secretariat and Chic Anderson's call. I think it might be the greatest sports call ever.
Secretariat is the greatest horse that ever lived. Would beat Seabiscuit handily. Love both horses but Secretariat is my heart.
Man O War's times over the exact same distances were not even close to Secretariats. I don't give a damn about voters, they are biased. Times do not lie, but humans do.
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Seattle Slew was better.
Seattle Slew was better.Slew had the heart.
@@johnbougae8314 I am partial to viewing Secretariat as the greatest of all time, but -- times can be deeply misleading. Man o'War, who set more records than Secretariat, almost always won under a strong hold; only once was he seriously challenged. Man o'War wore heavier (steel vs aluminum) shoes than Secretariat did. Man o'War did not run on tracks that were nearly as fast as today's. Man o'War carried a lot more weight than Secretariat did in his races. This is not human bias: those are plain facts. And aside from all that, I suspect you'd be surprised at how many track and even world records have been set by obscure horses. Winning against top horses impresses me more than setting fast times, an attitude more typical of European racing fans than of an American, which I am.
Times lie in other ways. Comparing times at the same distance on different tracks is always problematic (though I've done it), or even on the same track on different days. Heck, conditions can vary enormously on a track from race to race on a given day. And even within a specific race, the trip any specific horse gets can make a lot of difference in their time and the results of the race. The careers of both MoW and Secretariat are proof of that. Man o'War's sole loss was the result of a horrendous start; and Secretariat's fourth place finish in his maiden was due to being slammed between horses out of the gate and then impeded in the stretch. Man o'War was clearly the best horse in the Sanford, and Secretariat was clearly the best horse in his maiden.
My knock against Man o'War (and also Ruffian, and to a somewhat lesser degree, Zenyatta) is that he did not run against particularly strong competition. He never met Exterminator, the next greatest horse active in the U.S. during his time; and he met Sir Barton, an excellent horse, on the wrong day. Sir Barton reportedly lost all four shoes in that match race. Secretariat met and defeated the best horses on dirt and turf active in North America at the time, with the exception of the European filly Dahlia, who came to the U.S. in November of 1973.
I rank Secretariat first. But I wouldn't be shocked, were it possible, if Man o'War -- or Frankel or Seattle Slew or Dr. Fager or Citation or some other horses -- could consistently beat him at certain distances/surfaces. (Seabiscuit, though, is not one of those other horses. A great horse, but he is not in the running for top 10 of U.S. horses, much less greatest of all time.)
Love Seabiscuit and loved to see him win, but Secretariat was the fastest race horse ever - it's still jaw-dropping watching him win the Belmont Stakes by 31 lengths. The careers of both horses were great stories.
Sorry but I think Phar Lap was the best
@@sharoncarter2699 Hey, you have a right to your opinion. No harm in that.
@@BogartSlap they never weighted Secretariat down like they did Phar Lap
Secretariat was the greatest horse ever.
Every one talks about the Belmont rightfully as it was the greatest destruction of fellow horses ever.
But in the short Preakness were Secretariat broke slow he put it into a gear that I’ve never seen from a horse and blew past everyone creating a track record despite the poor start that still stands.
I always thought of him as a drag racer popping it into another gear that other cars simply don’t have.
I always wondered what the other jockies thought when Secretariat went blowing by like he did . Everyone is always claiming that Sham would have been the triple crown winner any other year but I'm not sure that Sham could have caught the other horses like that starting so far back.
i read somewhere that the other jockeys in the Preakness commented that "it felt like a freight train going by" and "it blew the number off my sleeve". pretty sure the 2nd one was exaggeration, but still...
one thing i never seem to see people say is.. I think that Secretariat was a true competitor and hunter.. He would wait in the back and size everyone up, gauging them. Then would crush them.
Cole Bobo You’re right! I’ve read everything I could find about him, and he was highly intelligent, and according to Ron Turcotte, as his jockey all he really needed to do was to Not Fall Off! Big Red pretty much his own man and did things HIS way. Gotta love 💕 him for that 🥰
I'll never forget Penny Chenery saying about the Preakness that Ronnie would have never asked him to move that early in the race. It had to be what the horse wanted to do. Secretariat had come to understand racing. Ronnie had come to trust him. There wasn't much a jockey could do to change him. There wasn't much need to.
Even though I love seabiscuit, he could never have beaten secretariat.
Yeah, and Seabiscuit ran way more races. Seabiscuit was like the old time boxers with over 100 fights.
toadsonytwo...Hate to burst your bubble but they are showing Seabiscuit winning because he broke a record at Pimlico against War Admiral that beat Secretariats Pimlico time.....
Actually, even though American pharaoh was close to beating the record, Secreteriat was faster by 14 horse-lengths still
I agree War Admiral could even the the big red!!!!!!!
@@TheBlockDocs American Pharoah was nowhere near Secretariat’s time. Secretariat ran in 2:24. American Pharoah ran in 2:26.65. That was good enough for 6th fastest ever.
Hard to compare horses from two different eras. Yes, Secretariat's times were about three seconds better at Pimlico than Seabiscuit's (during the match race). But Seabiscuit was almost two years older. Secretariat also had the advantage of better nutrition, better dental care, and better pharmacology. Thoroughbreds today do take steroids to maintain their muscle mass. Plus there is just no way of knowing what Seabiscuit would have done when he got a good look at Secretariat. The Biscuit ran hard enough to beat War Admiral. What would he have done if Secretariat had been standing there?
Xactly - Try racing in the 1930's - Handicaps - 30 races or more - yr. after yr. - These people are morons
Blew him outta the water!
honestly, it's amazing that The Biscuit ran as well as he did, considering his smaller size and poor conformation. he was a great horse with a lot of heart, for sure, but i think if they were ever to have met, it would end the same way Secretariat shut down Sham.
They may have both died, because neither horse would have given up. I do think Secretariat was the better horse.
We will never know
RIP Secretariat and Seabiscuit
TEKKEN KING they say phar lap and secretariat both had hearts 2x the average size of a normal horse when they did autopsy’s
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Phar lap was beautiful and very, very large also! Love all horses. Secretariat my favorite of course. I really loved "Funny Cide" too. The best gelding to ever race.
Secretariat 🏇 the legend
I love an underdog! Seabiscuit was a great horse with a great heart. However, Secretariat was a greater horse with a greater heart. Two wonderful horses, hard not to love them both.
Secretariat is the best horse ever! Seabiscuit have my Respect!
Secretariat holds three major track records. Enough said.
Okay? But seabiscuit was still great.
@@seabiscuit7116 agreed
@@seabiscuit7116 Yes Seabiscuit was and is still great; as is Secretariat, both will always be great.
secretariat was a machine I don't think there will be a better horse ever.
Man O War never even came close to Big Reds times.
John Bougae Big Red. Awesome man not to many people knows Secretariats real name. Tip my hat sir
Specialty C. S. Kentucky Derby, record that still stands. Preakness Stakes, record that still stands. Belmont Stakes, record that still stands.
Are we noticing a pattern here?
TEKKEN KING,,,,There is no such record of any other Horse except Secretariat running 2:24 over the 1. I/2 mile distance, Secretariat practically sprinted the whole 1.1/2 mile, no other horse has ever come closely, so don't come here with your fictional horse Phar Lap are whatever its called, indeed Dr Fagor was even more awesome than your horse, for he ran a track record with 140lbs on his back.
Hate to burst your bubble but they are showing seabiscuit winning because when he beat War Admiral he broke a record that beat Secretariats time at Pimlico.. thus Seabiscuit winning against Secretariat....and I Love both of them...
That would have been a race. Both have huge hearts and could fly.
Hmmm...Seabiscuit is underdog in this, my heart goes with him. Secretariat is a force of nature...but am a sailor and I love biscuits.
Secretariat was superior and perfect. Seabiscuit will always be my favorite because he was completely imperfect.
Love it.
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They are both related Man O' War was secretariat's uncle so big red is better
Same
Stacia, Hard Tack (father of Seabiscuit) and Bold Ruler (father of Secretariat) were both sons of Man O'War. That makes them cousins.
They are two legends that will live on forever no matter what 😂
I'm glad we will never know. Both horses had that mystic about them, it does no justice to either to take away what legends these two will forever be.Who would I pick to win? I won't. I don't want to know. I love the legends come back alive in the.eyes of my grandson. Legends are forever and man were these two Legends.
Its impossible to ever tell, some horses just like some humans are very competitive. Seabiscuit was a horse that was very competitive, he ran against the other horses in the race and Secretariat was a horse that could run against the clock. My meaning is that would Seabiscuit run harder against a Secretariat if he was in the field with him and the answer would be an undoubtably yes. And would Secretariat have anything more to give if he had a horse that could challenge him, we will never know because he never had a race that was close. Seabiscuit was said to run with his ears up (forward) and look to his side at the horse challenging him and then just shift gears and leave them behind. I have had horses like that that just seem to play with other horses working as hard as they can, and then just look back and kick dirt in thier face, and look to be laughing as they race away from them. The point I am making is that competitive horses only run against what shows up to run and if they are not that great they still win but just dont have to put out the extra effort because the competition isnt there. The movie Seabiscuit actually tells the story of the great horse War Admiral running against him and his jock telling people that he held him back so War Admiral could be brought up to challenge him stride for stride then said he was to let him go and watch what he will do. He was right,
Secrétariat is the Best horse of the world !!❤️
Cla Gr secretariat and Frankel
Seabiscuit LOOSES big time to Secretariat! The still standing records in all 3 Triple Crown Races say it all! Greatest horse in history!
Two of the greatest race horses of all time! Not fair to compare. Years ago had a chance to meet Seattle Slew my favorite of all time. He still had the fire in his eyes
After all these years Secretariat is still the standard that all horses are compared to including those before him. Enough said
Lot of conjecture here, but at the end of the day one has to salute Secretariat and Seabiscuit. Both made it to the big time, and both made it to the big screen.
They were both great horses true legends of the turf ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Funny, nobody thought he had much of a chance against War Admiral either. File it in the "We'll never know" box
All i want is two horses like Seabiscuit and Secretariat!!One with a big heart i just luv Seabiscuit and ofcourse Secratariat blessed with physical superiority and good looks !!Both amazing in their own ways 🐴🐴❤️❤️
Yes
Yep. Secretariat may be the most beautiful horse ever, but who wouldn't love Seabiscuit.
2:24 at the Belmont stakes! Untouchable
Secretariat was a super horse, a true champion for the ages. I doubt any horse will ever break the record set by him in the Belmont.
Seabiscuit WINS! The Preakness, Kentucky Derby and Belmont tracks all played much quicker in the 1970s than they did in the 1930s, with much improved and quicker grounds conditioning. Secretariat's triple crown times average a little over 4 seconds faster than fellow triple crown winner, War Admiral. Seabiscuit defeated War Admiral by over 4 lengths and led wire to wire, in their match race. He also had one of the largest recorded jockeys riding him. Seabiscuit was also widely known to play up and down to his competition. Even track, even jockeys, one on one...Seabiscuit wins, with a heart 3 times the size of an average horse.
Seabiscuit will always be my personal favorite racehorse but I know he could not have beaten Secretariat.
Ik this was for fun but secretariat would have been like," bye" and won
No. Seabiscuit would have been like “pfft the is over “ and won by 4 lengths. Secretariat was no better that war admiral was, can’t u secretariat peeps just deal with that fact?!
@@Anna-yn9jk derby record. Preakness record. Belmont record (and isn't even close)
Jumping My Mare oh yess
@@adammeyer3129 - - - You're right. People lie, even when they think they're telling the truth. Times don't lie. Look at the times, Snowman. It's Secretariat, by a time zone.
Adam Meyer thats what war admiral said records don’t define the heart of a horse
Secretariat is much better than seabiscuit but seabuiscuit is indeed a great horse
We will never know how great Seabiscuit could have been if Smith trained him from the start. People seem to forget this horse was abused as a 2 and 3 year old, running race after race. They also seem to forget he also broke track records, like when he beat War Admiral.
Seabiscuit was talented, and a wonderful competitor/racehorse. Secretariat was a physical marvel, and could carry his (high) speed farther than any other TB I've ever seen. Secretariat, handily.
SEABISCUIT was one of the fastest horses of all time, Secretariat was the Greatest.
We'll never know and that's the way it is. Speculation !! In his day, Seabuiscit beat the best there was. Secretariat was the best of his day.
Horse racing is based on the clock and Secretariat's records for all three Triple Crown Races is still the best.
We'll never know? Lmao we already know, it's called numbers. Secretariat would absolutely berate Seabiscuit on a track. Stop using your heart over your head.
And that's all that matters, being the best in their own time
Palmer ur not 2 bright. Secretariat's record still stands of all eras
History has given us great horses from Man o War to Frankel. But Secretariat was the greatest horse to ever put four hooves on a race track. He will never be surpasssed and will be the measuring stick for all great horses of our tine (American Pharoe).
I was 14 years old when I worked at Helen Chenery Meadow stable in Virginia where Secretariat was born raised and first trained. I was a hot walker and exercise rider. I'm not saying that I rode Secretariat nor am I saying that I hot walked him. All I am saying is that I got to turn him out and feed him a couple times when he was a yearling. I am proud of those moments to have been in the presents of such a legend
Horses...humans best example of symbiotic relationships with nature to learned from courageous acts to inspire during harsh times..."My horse, My kingdom for my horse"
The story will be divided in 1- before a Secretariat 2- after a Secretariat. BEST HORSE EVER.
Secretariat was the better horse....... Seabiscuit the better movie.
Perfectly said!
Yes. Indeed.
Secretariat and Seabiscuit let me say after years of research Seabiscuit wouldn't have been shamed ..... Probably the only horse that could have given Secretariat a run....
I believe it would have been a close exciting race. I also believe Seabisquit would have pulled it off on sheer guts and determination. Let him look Red in the eye and then turn him loose. Not that I'm some expert, just my opinion.
Big Red's Belmont was the most amazing athletic achievement I have seen in my 68 yrs on this earth. Seabiscuit had the heart and guts of a hero . Why do we need to decide anything . God bless them both ! Never saw Citation run but in a match race would take either the biscuit or Big Red and bet my last dime
*Seabiscuit* don't have to race no Secretariat, already done that kind of stuff. Piece of cake in the first place! Proved something once- done!
Defeated a Triple Crown winner? Since only one TC winner (Justify) has retired undefeated, and only Justify and Count Fleet remained unbeaten after the Belmont (due to not having run any races after the Belmont) lots of horses have beaten Triple Crown winners. Exceller beat 2 Triple Crown winners, Affirmed and Seattle Slew, in the 1978 Jockey Club Gold Cup. Assault lost a total of 24 races, Whirlaway a total of 28, so it's a good bet plenty of those losses came after the Triple Crown.
Secretariat lost 2 times after the Triple Crown, American Pharoah once post TC, Seattle Slew 3 times, Affirmed 5 times. Citation, ranked one of the greatest Triple Crown winners, lost 12 races after the Triple Crown. Two of War Admiral's 5 losses came after the Triple Crown.
Seabiscuit gets the win, he would see secretariat rite next to him and he would pull away down the stretch.
Two incomparable giants. I used to put flowers in Secretariat's monument at Belmont Park.
This is such an awesome video. Secretariat looks to see how close Seabiscuit is. Then all a sudden you can see the power of secretariat went full blast. He is my favorite horse. I have one with secretariat back ground and he is amazing. Didn’t want to race even with one of the best jockeys, Mike Smith.
Secretariat will never ever be replaced is the fastest horse ever there was another horse it was placed two seconds behind him. He was unique a combination of heart and speed attitude and intelligence but damn Seabiscuit was f****** amazing
Both great stories, mainly because of the people involved and how their beliefs in themselves, in each other, and in their respective horses, were validated by the extraordinary horses. Seabiscuit is simply a wonderful story, an exceptional horse. Secretariat is on another level: Secretariat's Belmont Stakes race is unlikely to ever be beaten. For those of us who watched it happen, it was a nearly incomprehensible feat to witness.
Huge fan of Secretariat! I just love horses.
They said that Biscuit could never beat War Admiral; yet, the little guy with the big heart beat him and broke him to never race again. I would say that is a major accomplishment! I love Secretariat, too. Seabiscuit would have raced another race of the century against Secretariat.
Seabiscuit 89 starts. Sec. 21.
Biscuit is my favorite.
Secreteriate 2:24 at the Belmont is a record that will stand forever! No horse on planet earth could have beaten him that day
both Seabiscuit and Secretariat had huge hearts. the average thoroughbreds heart weight is 8 lbs. biscuits was 14 lbs and Sec’s was 22 lbs. so biscuits heart was nearly twice the size and Sec’s was nearly 3 times the size. so in a long distance run, sec would obviously beat anything on four legs as he could pump more oxygen into every muscle of his body than any other race horse that existed. this is why his record at the Belmont of 2:24 still stands and will never be broken. now as for speed biscuit was built to be a sprinter. he once fell behind as he stumbled at the gate and was so angry that he actually ran a quarter mile to catch up faster than the quarter horses of his time and the speed he ran it could not be broken by any quarter or distance race horse even to this day. when biscuit got angry he was astounding. both biscuit and sec had huge hearts. sec’s was monstrous and may never be seen again. so in a long distance race sec would win but coming down to the stretch in a shorter distance competition, biscuit would fly past him as he was built to be a sprinter. George Wolf said that Seabiscuit was built like a tank, the most muscular horse he ever rode. both of these legends were super intelligent horses.
Just imagine if Seabiscuit, Secretariat & Pharlap had that one race of all races against each other ??
All 3 horses were legends in their era 😊
No race. Secretariot wins handly. Secretariot still holds all the records for all 3 races.
@@theaubad1006 Who's Secretariot? Secretariat? He holds the records for those races, but not those distances. That's an important distinction.
Jason hi.
I trained as a jockey prior a major accident. I have generations of jockeys in my family including two cousins now. I worked with thoroughbreds for a large chunk of my life.
Secretariot was and is clearly the fastest horse known throughout history. It may have been a medical anomaly because he had a oversized heart. "around double the normal size". The point is even 47 years later the belmont race times are all nearly identical and even throughout its hundred plus year history. Except Secretariots race time wich is still over 30 lengths faster. 30 lengths is a remarkable difference.
Like i said search all history. Even in ancient history. There is no horse recorded faster. We had a miracle. A absolute miracle and you can actually see it on video. And you can deny it? Sir i must admit you are a different kind of silly.
Jason call any major horse stable in idk Kentucky. Talk to the trainer making a million dollars a year. Ask that person if there was a horse throughout all history they ever heard of faster than Secretariot. Secretariot is a Majestic Figure to Horsemen worth there salt. I still tear up watching the Belmont.
In short to watch a horse in both the Kentucky and Preakness come from dead last and win both is nuts. To understand in the Preakness Secretariot was not only dead last but set even still today the fastest time on that race. Then win the Belmont by 31 lengths and you reject this horses Majesty? And you can watch it live on film? And that doesn't even count the fact that in the Preakness the second fastest time ever was by Sham in the same race. Jason you are just plain out retarded im afraid.
@@theaubad1006 Nope, I agree with the vast majority of racing experts and historians, Man O' War was the greatest of all time and it's not even close. When he retired, he had more Track records, American records, and World records than Secretariat when he went to stud. The AP, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, Blood Horse, and many other publications voted Man O' War over Secretariat for Horse of the Century. I challenge all of your trainers opinions. Secretariat only has one record that still on the books. Kelso still has a more impressive 2 mile record that still stands to this day and he broke the record in 1964. Secretariats heart was not unusual for the day, Sham's was also twice the size of the average Thoroughbreds heart. Why? Well, Hall of Fame Trainer Elliott Burch said that Steroids became known in Horse Racing in the 60's and was rampant by the 70's, which easily explains Secretariats, Sham's, and other horses enlarged hearts. It also explains Secretariats issues at stud until he was cycled off of his Steroids use. Sports Illustrated wrote an article about Secretariats issues in the early 80's. Sham was Secretariats only competition, look at the race results of Secretariats competition, not very impressive. Man O' War didn't just beat the previous years triple crown winner Sir Barton, he destroyed him. Sir Barton had just set a World Record only three weeks prior to their race. Man O' War was by far the greatest, all without any possibility of Steroid use. Man O' War was bigger, had more muscle mass, and faster than the second and wannabe Big Red.
Jason obviously you never worked in the thoroughbred horse industry. That opinion is like saying flat earthers are the majority. Man o war was a great horse indeed. Not as fast by records as Secretariot.
I and my family are generations of professional jockeys. I think i might understand horse racing better than you do. Saying you dont care what the top thoroughbred horse trainers and jockeys professional opinion is. Is ignorant and just shows you intellectually in a bad light.
Its your opinion and i respect that. But its not a majority opinion in any stretch by the people who work everyday with these animals. Who specialize in this very sport, animal care, and handling.
Jason im afraid you are a snowflake.So as a snowflake we disagree. So by snowflake rules we cant be friends. Goodbye sjw
Oh dont forget your tin foil hat for you to enjoy in your safe space. FN retard.
I love learning about theses horses!
No comparison, Secretariat greatest of all time...
in theory i agree. but in reality i wouldnt bet my house against seabuiscit. i mean this horse had the greatest personality ever. i still watch his race vs war admiral and i cant believe he beat him. a small horse with the greatest heart. and my all time favourite as he raced many many times and was beating younger horses at the age of 7. may be secreteriat the best ever at his 3 but overall i go with seabuiscit.
I have a different view - I think Seabiscuit could have beaten Secretariat. It seems from the stories of Seabiscuit he was intentionally held back until such time that he would see the competing horse. That was a problem in terms of achieving the best times - a big problem. He had training issues early on and needed to run that way. Had he been trained better, especially during his early years, this issue might not of held him back from running at his full potential - meaning he would have not hesitated to run full out at all times, as did all other race horses. At least that's my theory. Any thoughts on this?
Unique and extraordinary outstanding horses, but Secretariat was touched by God
People there are a lot of awesome horses , only one with the heart and legs of Gods “Secretariat” the greatest athlete ever period , everything else human or animal is behind in comparison , what that horse did is jaw dropping , the Belmont brings tears every time and why is that it’s because we humans got a peak at the real
Super natural
Greatness is best measured in adversity overcome. Secretariat had the unfair advantage of an enlarged heart, was not undersized, did not have physically defective knees, did not have to run close to 90 races, was not trained to intentionally lose the first half of his career, was not physically abused, did not carry the same imposts and lived in a more advanced era of edicine and training. Seabiscuit didn’t have any of those luxuries and still dominated. All of his by-a-nose losses were due to being blatantly fouled or his jockey hiding partial blindness. He smashed multiple records, travelled excessively and came back from a career ending injury... and I’ll give you one more... Seabiscuit’s fastest half-mile time, 44 1/5 in the middle of an endurance race at Santa Anita, is FASTER than Secretariat’s fastest half-mile time of 46 1/5 at Belmont in 1973. At the end of that same race, Seabiscuit did the impossibly by accelerating to race the final opponent to the wire... he had freakish speed, endurance and a refusal to quit. If it came down to 10 match races, I would wager Seabiscuit winning at least some of them and dying in the process. Secretariat had an anatomically oversized heart, Seabiscuit had a metaphorically oversized heart. That makes them the two greatest in my opinion.
secrateriat reached the speed that no other horse ever has and still holds it today
there is the fact that seabicuit broke his leg but still raced
Seabiscuit did *not* "break" a leg, which in normal parlance means a fracture. He did break down, however. He ruptured a suspensory ligament, a soft tissue injury which is not life-threatening but is often career- ending.
No one knows what would have happened if they raced to gather because the bisket did not like other horses going around him
I honestly expected this video would end with a shot of Secretariat eating a bucket of oats with a wreath of flowers around his neck as that other horse crossed the finish line.
Seabiscuit is my favorite. Those underdogs are all heart🇺🇸
No horse could even warm Secretariat up. He is God's Horse. He is riding him now.
Secretariat.peerless king of the dirt track.
I'm not a horse guy or gambler but I'd put $20 bucks on Seabiscuit.... Just because... He has a punchers chance...
Secretariat had an enlarged heart - could process more oxygen and therefore run WAY faster. He never passed his RUN ability on to his colts but produced a few good fillies that went on to produce Champions. This comparison is silly and I think Big Red would have taken it......
First off, obviously Secretariat would slaughter Seabiscuit. But about the colts, American Pharaoh is the great great great grandson of Big Red, and he was the TC. He also holds one of the fastest Belmont times ever at 2:26, although it's nowhere near Secretariats, no horses is
Secretariats stamina was passed on to American Pharoh, wire-to-wire Belmont win I believe(?)
Seabiscuit also had an enlarged heart.
Regarding Seabiscuit's colts. First of all, both died at relatively young ages (Seabiscuit at 14, Secretariat at 18). Both were bred to a limited number of mares, but even so Secretariat produced around 600 foals where Seabiscuit only produced slightly over 100. Seabiscuit stood at stud during WWII, when the sport of horse racing experienced a significant decline in the western US, and shipping mares to California was a bit more difficult than it is now.
Nothing compared to Secretariat lol
Two AMAZING HORSES, I would root for secretarious though.
I enjoyed the Seabiscuit movie better than Secretariat. They used some of the dorkiest moving horses for the races in Secretariat. They looked like they shouldn't even be on the track, let alone runnin. They used a fabulous horse in the Seabiscuit movie for the War Admiral/Seabiscuit matchup. Stellar filming, stellar movie!
Big Red....Secretariat... set records that still stand today when he race in the 3 races of the Triple crown...this is the only true way to compare over time( not a pun).................
And with a bad start in the Preakness. He was dead last entering the first turn . Then a couple of seconds later he was in the lead. He blazed by the other horses like they were not moving. A couple of the riders later said it felt like a freight train going by.
I have never seen anything like that. As impressive as his Belmont was that burst of speed at the Preakness was the most amazing thing ever.
Big red seem to know what was going on. If he was healthy and decided not today, well sit back and watch greatness.
seabiscuit and secretariat are two Legend but RIP . they Life in Myanmar heart
Interestingly, the jockey, who rode Seabiscuit, was nicknamed Red. & Secretariat was originally named Red
What a fantastic race I saw I love all participants horse
Top 5. Secretariat. Affirmed. Forego. Seattle Slew. Man o war.
Two unforgettable giants.
I think they were trying to show that they were the type of horse that could come from behind and win.
Fun fact……Sea Biscuit was almost the same size as War Admiral. War Admirals dam was undern15mhands 15 hands and so was War Admiral. Man O War was a couple of inches over 16 hands
Two legends I love them
Seabiscuit was Great - the Best Horse of the first part of the 20th Century. Secretariat was the Best Horse of the second half of the 20th Century. In a Match Race: Secretariat just Too Big, Powerful and Good for the Runt, and what a Magnificent Runt he was.
Personally, I think this video is wrong on so many levels! True, they were 2 different types of horses. Secretariat was built! "Big Red", had thick cannon bones, a huge heart which made him metabolize oxygen more efficiently. His numbers have not been beaten in 44 years! Seabiscuit had shorter legs, a shorter neck. He couldn't have had the stride that Secretariat had. However, I know that most people thought that Seabiscuit was a dud in the beginning. He did show them! OK, my favorite was Secretariat. We all have favorites, we have to give credit when credit is due. Seabiscuit was a fine horse, Secretariat was an American Icon!
robert wilkinson PREECH XD
secretariat for life
I'm always rooting for the underdog
I like to think Secretariat was God’s favorite pet. Like one reporter said on Belmont Day
“It’s like God whispered in his ear...””Go””!
It was the greatest sports triumph in history and the epitome of Devine creation
The real interesting matchup would have been Secretariat and Man 'O War. Two big, fast, beautiful chestnuts, both nicknamed "Big Red". Because of the different starting systems their times cannot be reasonably compared, but that might have been a horse race.
I remember when Secretariat was shocking the world. He was truly the greatest horse God ever put together. In the world of Horse racing, he was a God. No horse before or after could have or would have beaten him in his prime. No horse. Period. Don't even try to argue against it. It's no use.
When another horse wins the Triple Crown while breaking the race record for all 3 races, then that horse will be better than Secretariat. Until then...
Knowing a little bit about horses there's a lot of things you have to take it's a consideration and knowing what I know that would be too close to call do I think Seabiscuit would have won the Belmont in 73 probably not but then again I'm not sure that
American Pharoah couldn't beat Secretariat's record and the only horse I know that came close was a horse called Onion Who came from 2 blood lines of horse racing champions.
They say "Onion" could make some gamblers cry.
billie price You say "American Pharoah couldn't beat Secretariat's record." Which record? I suppose you mean one or any of the stakes records for the Triple Crown races, which is true. But the records Secretariat set were not solely in the Triple Crown races; he set 5 stakes records, 5 track records, and 2 world/surface records. Some have been broken since. Farma Way in the 1991 Pimlico Special broke Secretariat's Pimlico track record for 1 3/16 miles. Secretariat's stakes record for the Preakness still stands, however. In 1989 Easy Goer beat Secretariat's Gotham stakes record and Aqueduct track record for 1 mile. Secretariat's world dirt record for 1 1/8 miles, set in the 1973 Marlboro Cup, was broken in 1988 by Simply Majestic.
Onion, so far as I am aware, never came close to beating any of Secretariat's records. If you going to make that claim, you're going to have to be specific with track/distance/race/time. Onion did beat Secretariat, in the Whitney, but he wasn't by any means the only horse to ever defeat Secretariat, and in any case defeating a horse doesn't mean a record has been broken. Two different things, that. Nor do I know what you're referring to when you say Onion descended from 2 lines of champions, since every Thoroughbred has champions somewhere in its bloodlines. Neither of Onion's parents, Third Martini and With A Flair, were particularly distinguished; With A Flair wasn't a stakes winner, and Third Martini was a multiple stakes winner, but not of high grade stakes. Onion's 2nd and 3rd generation ancestors Hasty Road and Count Fleet were champions, however.
Secretariat is the greatest hos ever with his large heart, stride and lung capacity! Seabiscuit was a great horse, but there is only one SECRETARIAT!!!
The thing that some may be forgetting is that SECRETARIAT, in the last half of the Belmont was running ALL ALONE, and getting faster with each stride! From 8 lengths to 31 lengths he had NO COMPETITION to drive him, because SHAM was out of the competition by the time they were 4 lengths apart, and no other horse bringing up a challenge, as Secretariat headed to a track record, (...,and NO WHIP, mind you!)! Seabiscuit - A FANTASTIC HORSE for sure, but I don't see him outrunning Secretariat!
Seabiscuit is a big heart and the movie is ever green
Wish Secretariat and Seabiscuit met in real life, even though I know Secretariat would've won, but Seabiscuit would've gave him a real challenge
That woulda been one hell of a race
@@joewhitehead3 Me and my uncle argued about this the other day. My uncle said that Seabiscuit could've/could beat any other horse. I told him "Look, Seabiscuit might've beat War Admiral, but Secretariat won the 1973 Triple Crown, his greatest race was the 1973 Belmont Stakes, then he went on to sire Risen Star, who won 1988 Preakness and Belmont Stakes, he was also the grandfather of A.P. Indy who won the 1992 Belmont Stakes, the great grandfather of Rags To Riches who won the 2007 Belmont Stakes and he is related to the 2 most recent Triple Crown Winners American Pharaoh and Justify, so tell me what has Seabiscuit done that Secretariat hasn't? My uncle couldn't say another word.
one thing i never seem to see people say is.. I think that Secretariat was a true competitor and hunter.. He would wait in the back and size everyone up, gauging them. Then would crush them.
Secretariat''s times are likely to stand in perpetuity...he was a freak of nature and an act of God - Sorry Seabiscuit, War Admiral and American Pharoh...all great horses in their own rights...but there is only 1 GOAT (Greatest Of All Time) Secretariat ...Belmont was his Everest and he dominated! RIP to all the fine horses mentioned...