Please consider adding a sensor to the front wheel motor so when it starts spinning faster than the rear wheel it will send less power to the front wheel.
I would like one to use on the farm, looking at the service requirements in the user manual it will need up to nine services in 25 months! this seems a lot, since there is no engine....anybody know what is involved?
A lot of the 'services' are just checking the fasteners/fixings on the bike and checking the brake pads - think of the same preventative checks you'd do on your own bike through a year of riding. If you are somewhat mechanical, the smaller service checks could easily be done yourself. The only main service is the once a year opening of the motors that needs to be done by an authorized tech.
I am 70 years young 5’5” 160lb and have a Yamaha XT 225 mono shock rear as well I have an Ariel Rider dual suspension e-bike. I am looking for something lighter than the Xt . The suspension on the XT is far superior to the e-bike . It seems you have ridden both a dirt bike and the UBCO . How would you compare the suspension ? I ride in hilly and some sand dunes .
I like the frame design a lot. Maybe they should do a road version for eBikes. Make the frame narrower, lose the front motor + rear suspension. Put it in the 20 inch wheel format and with pedals. Love the utility of it.
Was a fun day riding this around. It definitely has its place in a unique part of the motorcycle market and definitely won’t replace a dedicated farm bike or road bike entirely but I don’t think it has to. It’s the perfect little grocery getter, with the ability to take the off road route home.
Very interesting bike. I wish I could try one. I live in the mountains of Mongolia (off-road) and electric bikes are very suitable for the terrain but I've never seen UBCO's sold here. Surron's are all the rage though. I've got a Surron Storm Bee (the full size enduro version). It's not 2x2 but it will go up most mountains where my skill allows. I would like something more utilitarian so I'll probably have to get a SXS (side-by-side) or a quad.
@@SmallBikeStuff Thanks for replying. My area is trail bike heaven. It starts right outside my door and continues for roughly the size of western Europe. It's the least densely populated country in the world and it's almost all rideable (think grasslands). No trails required. Make your own. Anyway, I just ordered the Surron Ultra Bee after a brief test-ride where I fell in love again. It seems to have the power and capability of the Storm Bee but 45kg lighter. Can't wait.
I’m curious how steep of a hill can it climb on dry ground. Will it power out or spin tires first? Also are the electric motors totally water proof for a river crossing and could this thing be charged on the trail with solar panels and if so how long roughly would it take? No further questions lol
So I can understand the scale of the bike to you (and me in reality), what is your height and weight? I’m 1.83m and 110kg, would it handle that. I’m worried it might feel too small!
Does it have any kind of over amperage protection? When you were attempting to start up the hill and the rear motor is stalled, will it just burn itself up if the rider continues applying throttle that results in a wheel not moving?
Next level would be duel wheels rear and maybe front,then maybe rubber tracks over duel, and for snow a ski on front,just a passing thought again after I saw this at the caravan show a few years back
Install a small generator for unlimited range. To save weight, smaller battery or run motors off generator directly; like a diesel train engine. Set of knobby tires and luggage, make a neat adv bike.
Seems like they need some sort of traction control to prevent that front wheel from spinning out so easily. They probably have a wheel stored sensor in the motor, so should be pretty easy.
@@atomicsmith It didn't progress whilst I was there and the team developing it no longer works there. I can't speak for what has happened since then, this was at the end of 2022.
I have ridden a Suron. For me they had very different purposes. I wanted to take the Suron Lightbee to a dirt track instantly. They put out more power off the get go and in stock form and high power mode, can do a bit over 70KPH. But battery life dissipates quick in that setting. Fun to ride. I'd have both if I could.
At 1st glance I wasn't impressed with the hay, then I thought about the density and weight of that hay bale and he had 3. That's a good amount of weight for an electric bike
@@razmatazberry no - this was one of their many demo bikes. They did offer half price bikes for staff a few months before the layoffs. But I own a Honda Wave 125 (lots of videos about it on the channel) and the 2X2 just didn’t stack up compared to that.
But they lost traction, this thing has 100% more traction and 1 wheel was not spinning that means that the power is just not there yet. This is why the official videos never show them going up hills.
Pretty silly, that is not what that bike is made for, if you want to drive up steep muddy hills get a gasoline dirt bike , and not a tiny one.............How about how fast can it go on a road...
Agreed entirely! But there are a lot of people reviewing it as such so I thought I’d throw my two cents in. There will be more UBCO videos. 50kph or 30MPH is the top speed. All specs are on their website.
Actually that is exactly what it was made for... Or should I say conceived for? It was designed to be equivalent to the ct90 for getting the cows in on a dairy farm. Slippery mucky conditions with a hard base and not to steep is where it is unbelievably good, but after owning a 2017 and now a Gen5 2022, I can tell you they are pretty unreal where they can go, but it is a different style of riding. If the torque to the rear wheel was doubled and the rear tire was a 120/80-14 this bike could create legends.
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I no longer work for UBCO....lay offs...... made a video about it. Watch here: th-cam.com/video/78DWAA8YfVc/w-d-xo.html
I would be interested to see how a TW200 would compare in those conditions
Please consider adding a sensor to the front wheel motor so when it starts spinning faster than the rear wheel it will send less power to the front wheel.
was the rear getting any power at all ?
Yes it was. Just gets to a point it can't push anymore. All software limitations.
This seems very capable. I live in Georgetown Texas and this would be great for Hill Country. I hope to try one sometime.
I would like one to use on the farm, looking at the service requirements in the user manual it will need up to nine services in 25 months! this seems a lot, since there is no engine....anybody know what is involved?
A lot of the 'services' are just checking the fasteners/fixings on the bike and checking the brake pads - think of the same preventative checks you'd do on your own bike through a year of riding. If you are somewhat mechanical, the smaller service checks could easily be done yourself. The only main service is the once a year opening of the motors that needs to be done by an authorized tech.
I am 70 years young 5’5” 160lb and have a Yamaha XT 225 mono shock rear as well I have an Ariel Rider dual suspension e-bike. I am looking for something lighter than the Xt . The suspension on the XT is far superior to the e-bike . It seems you have ridden both a dirt bike and the UBCO . How would you compare the suspension ? I ride in hilly and some sand dunes .
Forget the UBCO.
I like the frame design a lot. Maybe they should do a road version for eBikes. Make the frame narrower, lose the front motor + rear suspension. Put it in the 20 inch wheel format and with pedals. Love the utility of it.
I've always dreamed of making an UBCO extremely low and impractical, but your idea sounds much better.
Awesome! That was fun to watch. Interesting little bike.
Cheers for watching! Definitely a unique little machine.
Was a fun day riding this around. It definitely has its place in a unique part of the motorcycle market and definitely won’t replace a dedicated farm bike or road bike entirely but I don’t think it has to. It’s the perfect little grocery getter, with the ability to take the off road route home.
I would love to ride in a group of UBCO's. About 10 of them on a dirt adventure would be awesome. Thanks for the help Andrew!
@@SmallBikeStuff Now just imagine that front wheel hub motor on your Honda Trail :D
@@NicksBikes Haha the idea has been floated many times!
@@SmallBikeStuff I only did it with a motorised bike kit and a front hub ebike "conversion" kit, but it was still a load of fun!
Very interesting bike. I wish I could try one. I live in the mountains of Mongolia (off-road) and electric bikes are very suitable for the terrain but I've never seen UBCO's sold here. Surron's are all the rage though. I've got a Surron Storm Bee (the full size enduro version). It's not 2x2 but it will go up most mountains where my skill allows. I would like something more utilitarian so I'll probably have to get a SXS (side-by-side) or a quad.
Surron's are fun bikes! Sounds like you live in a wicked area.
@@SmallBikeStuff Thanks for replying. My area is trail bike heaven. It starts right outside my door and continues for roughly the size of western Europe. It's the least densely populated country in the world and it's almost all rideable (think grasslands). No trails required. Make your own.
Anyway, I just ordered the Surron Ultra Bee after a brief test-ride where I fell in love again. It seems to have the power and capability of the Storm Bee but 45kg lighter. Can't wait.
To attain a bigger tire foot print, did you attempt to lower the tire pressures, that's f you packed a air pump?
Yeah these dropped from 25 down to 15PSI. Could have gone lower. But it was ok for the terrain.
I’m curious how steep of a hill can it climb on dry ground. Will it power out or spin tires first?
Also are the electric motors totally water proof for a river crossing and could this thing be charged on the trail with solar panels and if so how long roughly would it take?
No further questions lol
Not that steep. Usually the front wheel will spin first and the rear just power out. The motors have seals but I wouldn't submerge them regularly.
So I can understand the scale of the bike to you (and me in reality), what is your height and weight? I’m 1.83m and 110kg, would it handle that. I’m worried it might feel too small!
Does it have any kind of over amperage protection? When you were attempting to start up the hill and the rear motor is stalled, will it just burn itself up if the rider continues applying throttle that results in a wheel not moving?
Haha it was always red for me growing up that was the fast colour. The 5 speed is much better, for sure.
Super cool unit, love the practicality of it. If this thing could do 80-100kmh I'd buy it in a heartbeat.
Speed is a big factor!
Next level would be duel wheels rear and maybe front,then maybe rubber tracks over duel, and for snow a ski on front,just a passing thought again after I saw this at the caravan show a few years back
Install a small generator for unlimited range. To save weight, smaller battery or run motors off generator directly; like a diesel train engine.
Set of knobby tires and luggage, make a neat adv bike.
Yes I agree the weather wasn't on your side in dryer conditions you would have flew up the hill on the Ubco 👌
Would you need a bike license in nz for road use
Nope! Car license is fine for this one.
I hope you all enjoyed the soundtrack for this video! Simon and Garfunkel would be proud.
I've also filmed some stuff about Niu electric scooters and will have a video up about them before too long!
No Chains, No Sprockets - but a BONUS COW POO!! Choice!
If only there was smellovision.
Can you fit stronger motors?
Hypothetically yes and a more powerful version was meant to exist long ago but it hasn't seen the light of day.
Thanks for this. Will consider one of these for hunting as opposed to a DR200 etc
"There is a large skid mark in front of me". That what I say when enter the restroom in a large stadium near the end of the match.
😂😂
Seems like they need some sort of traction control to prevent that front wheel from spinning out so easily. They probably have a wheel stored sensor in the motor, so should be pretty easy.
You would think so! I saw some basic examples of traction control whilst working there but the team creating it was mostly laid off.
@@SmallBikeStuff are you telling me the traction control program never caught on?
@@atomicsmith It didn't progress whilst I was there and the team developing it no longer works there. I can't speak for what has happened since then, this was at the end of 2022.
I think I could get up there on one of my mid-drive electric mountain bikes because it has crazy torque if the grass was dry 😁👍🏾
Agreed! I've ridden the UBCO here in summer when it's dry and the hill wasn't an issue. Skinny tyres and muddy grass though, it's wheel spin time!
Did I miss the discussion about the front wheel being the only one that spun? If you can't make both wheels spin, it's not 2 Wheel Drive.
Definitely has both front and rear.
Doesn't seem like it has enough grunt to replace a petrol bike on hill farms that can get very muddy
Yeah they aren’t really marketed for farm use anymore.
Would be intersting to compare with SurRon
I have ridden a Suron. For me they had very different purposes. I wanted to take the Suron Lightbee to a dirt track instantly. They put out more power off the get go and in stock form and high power mode, can do a bit over 70KPH. But battery life dissipates quick in that setting. Fun to ride. I'd have both if I could.
At 1st glance I wasn't impressed with the hay, then I thought about the density and weight of that hay bale and he had 3. That's a good amount of weight for an electric bike
Yeah its weight carry capacity was certainly decent. It would take more than advertised quite happily.
Tubeless?
No they have tubes.
2WD is cool, my scooter has that, but with insufficient power to the rear tire it doesn't seem to be much help.
Rokon?
Nice Egg 400!
EGG ZERO.
Is there any way one can enjoy this bike without downloading a stupid App ?????????
You can ride it without the app. But can't change the power delivery settings without it either.
8:19 only front wheel drive / useless
Just not enough power on rear wheel
You need a Rokon!
I'd love to ride one!
I would buy one if the insurance was not so high for electric bikes.
Thats why, i wouldn't have a hub motor bike, mid drive is the way to go😂😂😂😂
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"Didn't tell UBCO I am making this video".... great way to get fired.
No need to worry about that, they laid off 40% of the staff globally in December 2022. Me included.
@@SmallBikeStuff did you get to keep a bike?
@@razmatazberry no - this was one of their many demo bikes. They did offer half price bikes for staff a few months before the layoffs. But I own a Honda Wave 125 (lots of videos about it on the channel) and the 2X2 just didn’t stack up compared to that.
@@SmallBikeStuff "Should have made a biased review." -Management
But they lost traction, this thing has 100% more traction and 1 wheel was not spinning that means that the power is just not there yet. This is why the official videos never show them going up hills.
Unless they mention the motors overheating, you know the reviewer hasn't really tested the bike.
That just doesn't seem like the best surface for that bike.
Funnily enough thats what it was designed for - but it has ended up as a more popular delivery bike.
Pretty silly, that is not what that bike is made for, if you want to drive up steep muddy hills get a gasoline dirt bike , and not a tiny one.............How about how fast can it go on a road...
Agreed entirely! But there are a lot of people reviewing it as such so I thought I’d throw my two cents in. There will be more UBCO videos. 50kph or 30MPH is the top speed. All specs are on their website.
Actually that is exactly what it was made for... Or should I say conceived for? It was designed to be equivalent to the ct90 for getting the cows in on a dairy farm. Slippery mucky conditions with a hard base and not to steep is where it is unbelievably good, but after owning a 2017 and now a Gen5 2022, I can tell you they are pretty unreal where they can go, but it is a different style of riding. If the torque to the rear wheel was doubled and the rear tire was a 120/80-14 this bike could create legends.
$2,ooo U.S. dollar Battery =Lame !
Nope!!
Fair enough.
It's a pos waste of money.
@@conanthebarbarian1971 I don’t disagree but why not write everything in one comment? 🤣🤣🤣