This should be essential. The datasheet continuous discharge current is often a bit optimistic and I've found Battery Mooch does an excellent job giving realistic discharge rates on cells. His Patreon is only $2 a month and worth every cent. He's doing cycle life of Molicel P45B/P50B/Samsung 50S under intense 5-6A charge 25A-30A discharge conditions and its really interesting. All I can say is while the P45B is a great cell the P50B looks to be AMAZING and the Samsung 50S definitely USED to be a good cell for those that needed more than 4-4.5Ah but didn't need the full 20-25A discharge and could settle for 10A to 15A where a lot of 5Ah 21700's just can't handle that....still the 50S gets way too hot. The Molicel P50B is just out of this world if the production cells are anything like the pre production cells he has.
We have few months testing behind us and these battery configurations are killer! Very small voltage sag, very robust torque, don’t heat up as much, perfectly balanced the whole time when charging or discharging with high current. So far looks like a good formula for long term high current use!
You're so detailed and pragmatic in the process of developing everything you do. The amount research you must have done prior to building must be crazy 😅 I think you found a hole in the market with this one. Electric motorcycle made for taller pople - brilliant!
You are making the bikes we all want and need. And you are correct about people are making e-bikes like petrol bikes. Wrong way to go about it. You are doing it correctly!!! Keep up the great work!!! Thank you.
Except that on regular bikes there is a reason the riders seat height so high, (mostly engine and frame constraints) on this bike that's not necessary. Lowered center of gravity means better handling. You could also build a chopper out of one of these, and I'm sure they would sell !
The only things i do not like about this bike are the lack of battery cooling for such high charge and discharge rate, and second is if you want to do mountain biking like activities on this, the back swing arm mounting seems weak to twisting, on a normal frame you have a triangle there, now you do not, and it's basically a bend line, the weakest type of structure... i would also like a drop seat on a locking spring gas strut, but that is for the MTB tracks, I also wish for regen braking to reclaim the power while i go down hill...
We have the swing arm brackets locked pretty well. I know it’s critical. On the current version we have the seat height adjustability. Regen braking is default on our bikes but don’t have your hopes up it’s any significant charging. More like brake pads saving. The battery has cooling system but I don’t even think it’s needed because how little of the maximum rating we draw out of it. It does not heat up much.
@@ladiandmargaret good to know, thank you, but, Did you try the battery temperature while climbing a hill? P.S. is it possible to also have a tow hitch attachment at the back and a trailer with wireless lights for cargo in the city, and mild off-road for the dirt/gravel roads country side?
Of course I did. My testing conditions were peak summer, riding as fast as I could handle in various terrain, heating the battery to maximum 42 degrees celsius and then charging with 4kW. It would build up to 46 degrees celsius max. 60 is maximum rated while charging or discharging max current. We are not even close to the max temperatures and max currents. Hitch is possible.
Without fenders and longer seat and taillight and head light I won't touch that bike. I have Electric scooters .I ride electric scooter everyday to go to work and back home
The finished product will ship with fenders, lights, longer seat. We work as fast as we can to make it all happen.
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@@ladiandmargaretthat's all fine but you can't attach a rear fender off the back of the seat , which limits you to some fender barely above the tire. it will kill the motocross look. that seat is ridiculous . make something with some padding. I like less is more, but you went so minimal it looks incomplete.
Finally someone who's using their brain and making an e-bike or motorcycle with decent. I see all these bikes with so much room to just lay in some serious battery power and you're the one doing it!
Hi Ladi! I've been watching you since you started and I really love how you're progressing. I love and support this e-Moto build. Here are the things I would suggest for this specific model: 1. Longer seat 2. Supermoto street tires 3. A modular storage box under the seat which could be used for a lot of things, or an additional modular battery pack in case of emergency. 4. Some signal lights and a headlight would be needed too. I'm rooting for you! Keep up the great work! I hope I can get a unit soon to show my support for your campaign.
I like the idea of the additional modular battery pack. There's so much space that you could easily double the capacity of the current battery and extend the range even further.
Hey Ladi, congrats on getting the prototype going. Been following the channel over the past few years. Glad to see that you are optaining advanced equipment. That's a sweet plasma table.
All the big companies spend millions on R&D. Here you are a one-man band knocking it out of the park. I'm a big believer that what you are doing is the future. Ladi, you are the best.
To stop the pipe from deforming you should fill the pipe with sand. First bung one end of the pipe with some cloth, i use old overalls, just cut them into small pieces then make a ball slightly larger than the bore of the pipe. Then jam the bung into one end, i use a file with the handle taken off, then with dry sand fill the pipe to the brim. Then with a nylon mallet tap the pipe until the sand compacts and the level of the will fall, repeat until you cant get anymore sand into the pipe. then bung the end of the pipe ensuring you get the bung nice and tight, then when you bend the pipe it will almost be like you are bending solid bar. When you are finished bending pull the bungs out and empty out the sand. If you are still getting a little bit of deformation bend the pipe slightly past the angle you want, then secure one end of the pipe in a vice that is attached to a table that is fixed to the floor. Then get a piece of pipe that fits over the tube you are working with to use as a lever, then pull the bend out to the angle you desire. This will pull out some of the deformation, but be careful not to do too much or the tube will deform the other way. Trust me im a pipefitter that has been bending pipe for over 30 years. And if you have the money, buy a bending machine with a mandrel, that goes inside the pipe that prevents deformation. Happy bending.😊
@@user-neo71665 yes you can freeze water in pipe but it's generally used on small bore pipe, this technique is used when bending brass instruments like trumpets. But it's quite hard to freeze a 6 meter length of 6 inch pipe, you would need a very big freezer. 🙂
Great to see you're not just simply outsourcing it all, if any, to China but rather using local Czechs to do the work. Czechia has great artisans as well as world class steel production, high tech engineering and electronics so I'm not surprised you're doing so well with this venture. I hope you get this great design to the point where you get a saleable and price competitive product.
Pure innovation. Your ideas on this vehicle are inspiring. I wish to be involved in this project. DIY bikes do have their own character (I'm a lil more enthusiastic about choppers). You really know what you got. thumbs up! Keep up the outstanding work.
Pretty Cool 👍 The space under the seat could be converted into a locking 🔒 storage compartment. Also a removable 🔩 bolt on rear rack could be made & bolted on. To support saddlebags or triple bag storage set. If I had the money to buy one, I'd want some storage ootions,like mentioned above, probably a longer seat & also pedals on it for #1 more stealth to blend in as a bicycle & #2 For the ability to pedal in the event of a breakdown. I'm not at all criticizing the build. Just offering some ideas. I really do like the idea 💡 of a metal locking storage compartment under the seat. Have a tough hinge on 1 side & door cover plate. Oh duh 🤪 I started commenting before watching the end of video about the storage compartment idea 💡
He brings up a great part about designers reusing the gas bike's design created for its specific component needs. There's little reason why electric bikes should need to follow similar designs since their components are quite different. This really opens up new creative freedoms. Very cool!
powdercoat the main frame textured black with bright orange seat tubes or yellow seat tubes. looks nice! Find a way to outsource production in china so your price can be competitive around $6000 usd.
Well done guys!!! I have surron lbx and I am very happy about the emergence of an alternative and competition in this segment! Guys, patience to you, strength and a peaceful sky above your heads! Greetings from Moscow;)
Fit a hugger to stop stones hitting your back. Fit a chain guard incase it snapped. Lower seat slightly and make it bigger, be surprised how many people have short legs and like comfort! Looks great fun!
Dear Ladi an Margaret, only just found this channel and just wanted to say thank you! this is a really amazing project and I appreciate your thinking and building outside of the normal bike world, who wants normalcy? Sure not me
Well done, young man! Your approach is thinking outside of the box to create a new thought box and show the m.c. community a better way to go electric. the only thing I'd change is to a wider ,more comfortable seat with a lower seat height, I'm a senior citizen, so....👍
Everyone built a E-roller, E-bike, E-motorcycle, but no one built a E-quad , think about it, i can make a payment right now to pre-order one, by the way, of course you made a great work, that way i hope you will start to built a E-quad someday....🍀🍀🍀
Seriously smart design! Absolutely the right approach with form following function. And it looks great too. The only thing I’d like to see is big motorcycle shocks (48mm) full size swingarm and Brembro brake calipers with 320mm or bigger discs. Basically full-size motorcycle components. This bike could definitely handle it!
It’s not motocross category so I won’t be installing motocross shocks. These brakes are poisonous sharp, no need to change at this point. We currently have installed 21 and 18 wheels.
@@ladiandmargaret Shame that, guess someone else will add the components I spoke of then. Still though, your bike has a superb design. Great work👏 I went ahead and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what you do next.
Yes and no, in the racing and frame building industry it is argued about. Yes powder coating is amazing protection but the layer it forms on the outside can hide any cracks that may form in the metal. I think builders preference based on amount of abuse frame will take.
Love it. Please makea follow up video! I hope your kick starter goes well! As far as changes, I think the other comments cover most. 1. Wheel Fenders 2. Offer of different components for gear ratios. 3. I agree with the slightly longer swing arm for road stability 4. By changing the design of the seat frame, I bet you could fit locking helmet storage underneath the seat. 5. Headlights and brake lights. 6. Multiple foot peg mounting points.
When bending tube past I believe it's 30° you need to weld the tube shut on both ends and fill it with pressurized air add a minimum but a Newtonian based fluid would be best when using Newtonian based fluids though you must leave 1/10 of whatever space it is empty as Newtonian based fluids are noncompressible so it would cause the pipe to rupture as you bend it if you overfill it but if you feel it just right you can bend any pipe you can make a complete circle without putting a kink in it
Hi! Love your content :D I worked as a laser machine operator for 6 years. And I noticed you cutting in a strange order. Always do all the internal cutting first and use one cutting profile for that. Then cut out the frame. This is because the holes will not be precisely located if the part drops down onto the support grid (what we call them). Have a second cutting profile linked to the outer contour so when you fine-adjust the diameters of holes, you don't mess with the body. Hope you understand what I tried to explain :D
My wife does too, but handlebars are a problem with no hands. Btw no feet either and prosthetic legs which suck off road. Power wheelchair works fine often but gets stuck on 1.5 inch roots.
As a moto lifer (of almost 60 yrs)here in SO CAL, Baja, Desert, MX & 35yrs around the MTB industry & huge lover of the E industry. I can say (you're on to something). (As a suspension guy) it was interesting seeing you figure out the shock needed to be vertical, just like on a motorcycle. A long seat, some fenders and you're done. Love the storage space. Better than panniers hanging off the bike.
lovely to see a bike designed around its functions rather than echoes of obsolete technology. Looks great as is, no need to paint it, just satin clearcoat. Orange seat is emough colour. Cheers and good luck!
main color gloss black with larger trim areas in bright gloss red. small hints of standard matte twill carbon fiber everywhere. finally, add tiny amounts of shiny gold trimming down any corners & straight lines. any exposed wiring cover it with "teck flex" red or black with black heat shrink at each end of wire to secure it proper. could market this color combo as a special edition. no chrome, anything that would noramlly be chrome try to make it gold. trust me on this. it has been my go to color combo for my personal custom hobby builds. amazing work & what a awesome looking bike. good luck!
You make some awesome creations. This is no exception. I’d incorporate a longer seat option, motor, battery & controller cooling. Technology is advancing to now incorporate mechanical gears & ABS. I say this, because in addition to pioneering a new design framework, you may as well pioneer what is truly capable given our knowledge & tools of today’s time. Great products & vision, looking forward to seeing more.
Thank, the battery is overkill and the motor as well. So far we did not even reach temperature close to overheating or causing any issues. We have few ideas for ventilation but I hope we can avoid extra complications and components prone to failure.
I like that the battery is in the lower part of the frame giving you a lower center of gravity for cornering however all that empty space underneath the seat could easily be an extra 50 to 70 miles of range making it a better daily commuter or longer rides but regardless of my opinion it's a beautiful creation that I wish was more my size because I'm only 5'7" but I do need to know what is the final cost?
Firstly, fabulous seeing some folks doing this for real and publicly! I've been messing with ebikes for a while now but what I really want is to drive between city's in the US. I'm curious about the idea of making it road legal in the US. I thought a VIN was required to register it? For the kickstarter I'd need to know how a few states would allow that and then I'm 100% in. Typically that means welding a piece of a honda ruckus into the frame and registering as a modified motorcycle. DOT reg lights and such too but the VIN is the harder thing right out of the box.
That is a great build man love the bike, posted last before end haha, I wouldn't mind a cyberbike in Canada, also Molle style storage options could be cool. Color scheme I'd say neon electric blue, gunmetal Grey, and Whyte accents would give the cyber to the bike. Best wishes
It looks great!!! Maybe a color combination between black and red. And maybe some "post-apocalyptic" color scheme, with some patches of made-up rust because this bike fits the theme, in my opinion. Regarding the storage, maybe you want to back up the magnets with some Velcro straps at least from underneath. And maybe the seat should be a bit cushier. Otherwise, it's great and you are right! It doesn't resemble anything out there! Good luck with mass production. I would love to see this project turned into the next big thing in the e-moto world.
Ahoj Láďo. Moc pěkný projekt. Pustil jsi se do těch e-bajků se vším všudy. Je to fakt parádní stroj. Jen z technického hlediska co mě jako první trklo jako strojaře to upevnění kyvky. Možná mi to video zkresluje ale v náročnějším terénu by to mohl byt weak spot. Možná bych tam dal vetší průměr šroubu nebo nějaký čep. Ale samozřejmě do toho nevidím jak to máš řešené tak jen co mě cvrnklo do oka. Jinak opravdu parádní práce palec nahoru tobě i Pavlovi. Jsem rád že se ještě může říkat zlaté České ručičky. 🙂
One thing i love about your design is you could easily double the battery if desired. In addition, one thing i would love to see in ebikes/motorcycles is more hubcenter steering.
Looks great Ladi, I got the plans to build the Cyberbike, and began sourcing components but I was at a dead end when I tried sourcing a battery and charger. I live in the US where we have weak 120v single phase residential power. I've even tried to get a local lithium battery manufacturer to build it, but they were not exactly willing to do it. So, I am at the end of my patience trying to get the bike built. Its been almost 2 years and I have since bought another bike to ride in the mean time. Honestly, If I knew more about building a battery, I would do it myself. I just dont know enough to build it myself. Perhaps if I had a diagram of the battery cell layout and where to spot weld the nickel strips I might just do that. But as of now, i have given up.
Hi... great project!! Have you ever tried an old trick of plumbers here in Brazil to bend tubes without deforming? sealing the tubes and fill them with sand before bending have a internal pressure and keep the tube from deforming while you bent it slowly
I would buy one immediately if the optional painted components had a nice anaglyph design and paint job. Also if you implemented camo designs or even just earthy tone colours and shades to fit the sustainable approach (because it’s all electric) you will be tapping into a huge environmentally friendly market and audience 👏 needless to say i will support this kickstarter project and keep my eyes peeled for an opportunity to purchase my own bike well done! and thank you!
being 6"6' I do wish more manufacturer's would cater for us tall guys, as even though my bomber clone is a big bike I've still had to make custom parts to make it fit me more
It comes down to weight. The bigger, heavier and faster they become, the less road legal they are in most place. At one point you might as well just buy a motorcycle.
This isn't bike related and I hope you still read these comments but I've been having a discussion online about solar on vans and I wanted to know what your stats are for generation> I'm sure you have them logged.. So are you able to tell us/me how many KWh you've generated over the last say year? Keep up the good work man, love your videos, I've still not built that bike
Make some "hard points" around the bike so customers can fit extras to style it as anything between moto cross, super motard, cafe racer or road racer by just bolting on different seat unit, fairing and clip ons ... Great project! Love it!
honestly the fact that the surron is tiny. is what made them popular. larger and heavier bikes exist but do not give the same confidence. if you really wanted size. you should have gotten the ultra bee or even the storm bee and your 'issue' is fixed. as the storm bee seat height is larger then most gasoline bikes.
So cool! I was hoping it was going to be belt driven instead of a chain, but oh well. Really going to be interested, now that the prototype is done, to see how building the second one goes!
You really did a awesome job sir, it's a monster of machine. Man I'm anxious to see what you create next. I bet you could make a quadquapter with some propellers.
This is so rad!! One day I want to grow up and be like you 😮 My suggestion would be build a moto edition if you haven’t already. Maybe beef up the suspension & add a rear fender. Something comparable to stark varg but not 14k
Congratulations on this full size built. Being 6'6" (198cm) myself and making big bicycles, I am happy to see this. Did you have a look at the similar comcept from ExoDyne?
Great engineering. I think the fork angle is a bit steep and you need a bit more offset on the yokes. You might find it a bit twitchy on fast downhill sections
Great design, very interested on the center point of gravity. You are really innovative in the design to put in storage compartments and adding more value. Great project and good luck with the future of this.
Awesome video! I just started vanlife myself as well! I’m a personal trainer who lives in his van in south Florida! Definitely love this lifestyle and freedom it brings! I also share videos on my page :)
Holy crap, guys! I love it! My wife and I are moving to Austria this summer from the US. Do you know if the EU will consider it road safe? I'm heading to your kickstarter either way - it's hard to find things like this for us 6 foot+ guys.
I reckon you should add on a longer seat/tail say for like a second person to sit and better look other than that its looking pretty cool and seems to perform pretty well great job loved it 😁👍👍
Looks awesome, except the sear looks small and confined. Can you make the seat a little bigger for us big butted fellas? Lol. Everything looks awesome Ladi I know you will continue R&D because that's the kind of builder you are!
Great video & awesome build! I bought a Zero FXE about 18 months ago and now I wish I had waited to get a cooler looking high performance motorcycle like yours. Good luck on the campaign.
What a incredible job! Even the potential for up grades! I will support this project! Definitely Im going to do this myself! Way to awesome not to! It that good!
There's sufficient empty space under that seat to install, for instance, twice as much battery, or a battery of similar capacity but a lower cost, less power-dense formulation like LiFePo4.
You can place your preorder right away. Longer seat with mudguard will be on the bike but I’m afraid we need few more months to do the storage properly.
I'm quite interested. I don't need a lot or range myself, and it speaks to me, I could find a case use for it in my life. You should look as well to try and sell it to the military, they're very interested in silent vehicles for recon. Your design parameters just tripled their own range capacities if I'm not mistaken.
Awesome bike! With a longer dirt bike style seat that also holds a rear fender this thing would rip. You need the extra space front and back to weight shift effectively when riding. Great job
Cool design. I’d encourage you to consider a more traditional swingarm pivot point instead of just having a flat plate that bolts up to the frame. This will be a weak point and more importantly it will introduce flex into the rear suspension system; not the best.
Great bike. I suggest the color used should be the same green color of the workbench shown in this video. Maybe a combo of black and that color. Thanks.
Wow very Cool Love the design, maybe have a design contests so people can enter in different color combinations and you can get customer input for it what they would like something like. A downloadable PDF showing the different profiles of the bike and then You can put your own graphics make it all custom. I want one..
I didn't see that rear swingarm move at all when you rode it!? Is the suspension locked out? Also, if it is for offroad, if you're off the seat or slip backwards off that seat, you have the possibility of the seat rail smashing into your stomach/pelvis. Or falling down onto the wheel. I think the commercial design will need to do something with that gap. Due to that battery mass, I also think you may need airflow ducts and or cooling fins when riding hard off road on steep hills or woodland where air can be still. Good luck! 👍
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LOL street legal for the USA LOL i want to know are you going to make it street legal for Australia
Hi. You could actually create basket for stuff on that frame.
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Finally somebody talking about making a battery that would not even come close to its rated discharge. You're legit the first person i see doing it
This should be essential. The datasheet continuous discharge current is often a bit optimistic and I've found Battery Mooch does an excellent job giving realistic discharge rates on cells. His Patreon is only $2 a month and worth every cent. He's doing cycle life of Molicel P45B/P50B/Samsung 50S under intense 5-6A charge 25A-30A discharge conditions and its really interesting. All I can say is while the P45B is a great cell the P50B looks to be AMAZING and the Samsung 50S definitely USED to be a good cell for those that needed more than 4-4.5Ah but didn't need the full 20-25A discharge and could settle for 10A to 15A where a lot of 5Ah 21700's just can't handle that....still the 50S gets way too hot. The Molicel P50B is just out of this world if the production cells are anything like the pre production cells he has.
Yea first time i heard of this too. Very innovative actually., opinions on this will differ ofc but they just dont get it ;)
We have few months testing behind us and these battery configurations are killer! Very small voltage sag, very robust torque, don’t heat up as much, perfectly balanced the whole time when charging or discharging with high current. So far looks like a good formula for long term high current use!
I thought this was common practice?
Not at all
You're so detailed and pragmatic in the process of developing everything you do. The amount research you must have done prior to building must be crazy 😅
I think you found a hole in the market with this one. Electric motorcycle made for taller pople - brilliant!
You are making the bikes we all want and need. And you are correct about people are making e-bikes like petrol bikes. Wrong way to go about it. You are doing it correctly!!! Keep up the great work!!! Thank you.
Except that on regular bikes there is a reason the riders seat height so high, (mostly engine and frame constraints) on this bike that's not necessary. Lowered center of gravity means better handling. You could also build a chopper out of one of these, and I'm sure they would sell !
The only things i do not like about this bike are the lack of battery cooling for such high charge and discharge rate, and second is if you want to do mountain biking like activities on this, the back swing arm mounting seems weak to twisting, on a normal frame you have a triangle there, now you do not, and it's basically a bend line, the weakest type of structure... i would also like a drop seat on a locking spring gas strut, but that is for the MTB tracks, I also wish for regen braking to reclaim the power while i go down hill...
We have the swing arm brackets locked pretty well. I know it’s critical. On the current version we have the seat height adjustability. Regen braking is default on our bikes but don’t have your hopes up it’s any significant charging. More like brake pads saving. The battery has cooling system but I don’t even think it’s needed because how little of the maximum rating we draw out of it. It does not heat up much.
@@ladiandmargaret good to know, thank you, but, Did you try the battery temperature while climbing a hill?
P.S. is it possible to also have a tow hitch attachment at the back and a trailer with wireless lights for cargo in the city, and mild off-road for the dirt/gravel roads country side?
Of course I did. My testing conditions were peak summer, riding as fast as I could handle in various terrain, heating the battery to maximum 42 degrees celsius and then charging with 4kW. It would build up to 46 degrees celsius max. 60 is maximum rated while charging or discharging max current. We are not even close to the max temperatures and max currents. Hitch is possible.
Longer, seat with more padding for our gentlemanly tenders. Definitely sweet design!! It rips!!!
If there was 6-8 attachment points on each side for the seat, you could have multiple seat & cargo options
Without fenders and longer seat and taillight and head light I won't touch that bike. I have Electric scooters .I ride electric scooter everyday to go to work and back home
The finished product will ship with fenders, lights, longer seat. We work as fast as we can to make it all happen.
@@ladiandmargaretthat's all fine but you can't attach a rear fender off the back of the seat , which limits you to some fender barely above the tire. it will kill the motocross look. that seat is ridiculous . make something with some padding. I like less is more, but you went so minimal it looks incomplete.
I was not planning on attaching the fender to the seat. Seat does not have finished cushioning.
Finally someone who's using their brain and making an e-bike or motorcycle with decent. I see all these bikes with so much room to just lay in some serious battery power and you're the one doing it!
Hi Ladi! I've been watching you since you started and I really love how you're progressing. I love and support this e-Moto build.
Here are the things I would suggest for this specific model:
1. Longer seat
2. Supermoto street tires
3. A modular storage box under the seat which could be used for a lot of things, or an additional modular battery pack in case of emergency.
4. Some signal lights and a headlight would be needed too.
I'm rooting for you! Keep up the great work! I hope I can get a unit soon to show my support for your campaign.
Thanks! Seat will be extended, supermoto tires tested, the main battery will be replaceable and signal lights mounted in the finished version
I like the idea of the additional modular battery pack. There's so much space that you could easily double the capacity of the current battery and extend the range even further.
Could make the extra seat modular so you could remove it for storage
Hey Ladi, congrats on getting the prototype going. Been following the channel over the past few years. Glad to see that you are optaining advanced equipment. That's a sweet plasma table.
Thanks so much! It’s a laser cutter. It’s more accurate compared to plasma.
All the big companies spend millions on R&D. Here you are a one-man band knocking it out of the park. I'm a big believer that what you are doing is the future. Ladi, you are the best.
He's very skilled but I'm many years ahead of everyone, even DARPA.
in those millions are also the machines the new companies have to buy.
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ok, let's see him pass regulations and mass produce the bike so that it is available to 10's of thousands annually. All while making a profit.
To stop the pipe from deforming you should fill the pipe with sand. First bung one end of the pipe with some cloth, i use old overalls, just cut them into small pieces then make a ball slightly larger than the bore of the pipe. Then jam the bung into one end, i use a file with the handle taken off, then with dry sand fill the pipe to the brim. Then with a nylon mallet tap the pipe until the sand compacts and the level of the will fall, repeat until you cant get anymore sand into the pipe. then bung the end of the pipe ensuring you get the bung nice and tight, then when you bend the pipe it will almost be like you are bending solid bar. When you are finished bending pull the bungs out and empty out the sand.
If you are still getting a little bit of deformation bend the pipe slightly past the angle you want, then secure one end of the pipe in a vice that is attached to a table that is fixed to the floor. Then get a piece of pipe that fits over the tube you are working with to use as a lever, then pull the bend out to the angle you desire. This will pull out some of the deformation, but be careful not to do too much or the tube will deform the other way.
Trust me im a pipefitter that has been bending pipe for over 30 years.
And if you have the money, buy a bending machine with a mandrel, that goes inside the pipe that prevents deformation.
Happy bending.😊
that is a very good comment, thanks mate!
Sand or you can freeze water in it but sand is normally cleaner.
@@user-neo71665 yes you can freeze water in pipe but it's generally used on small bore pipe, this technique is used when bending brass instruments like trumpets. But it's quite hard to freeze a 6 meter length of 6 inch pipe, you would need a very big freezer. 🙂
Just use a mandrel. no time to mess around with sand/ice when it goes into production.
Good comment, this is what did to make a custom subframe for an sv650
Great to see you're not just simply outsourcing it all, if any, to China but rather using local Czechs to do the work.
Czechia has great artisans as well as world class steel production, high tech engineering and electronics so I'm not surprised you're doing so well with this venture.
I hope you get this great design to the point where you get a saleable and price competitive product.
Pure innovation. Your ideas on this vehicle are inspiring. I wish to be involved in this project. DIY bikes do have their own character (I'm a lil more enthusiastic about choppers). You really know what you got. thumbs up! Keep up the outstanding work.
Yeah, there's nothing like this out there and it looks so futuristic, so comfortable for taller/larger folks. She's an eye catcher for sure. 🤩
Thank you 🙏
I love seeing stuff like this. This is exactly the kind of thing that the EV world needs custom frames custom batteries to suit the user/rider
Pretty Cool 👍 The space under the seat could be converted into a locking 🔒 storage compartment. Also a removable 🔩 bolt on rear rack could be made & bolted on. To support saddlebags or triple bag storage set.
If I had the money to buy one, I'd want some storage ootions,like mentioned above, probably a longer seat & also pedals on it for #1 more stealth to blend in as a bicycle & #2 For the ability to pedal in the event of a breakdown.
I'm not at all criticizing the build. Just offering some ideas.
I really do like the idea 💡 of a metal locking storage compartment under the seat. Have a tough hinge on 1 side & door cover plate.
Oh duh 🤪 I started commenting before watching the end of video about the storage compartment idea 💡
He brings up a great part about designers reusing the gas bike's design created for its specific component needs. There's little reason why electric bikes should need to follow similar designs since their components are quite different. This really opens up new creative freedoms. Very cool!
powdercoat the main frame textured black with bright orange seat tubes or yellow seat tubes. looks nice! Find a way to outsource production in china so your price can be competitive around $6000 usd.
Well done guys!!! I have surron lbx and I am very happy about the emergence of an alternative and competition in this segment! Guys, patience to you, strength and a peaceful sky above your heads! Greetings from Moscow;)
Fit a hugger to stop stones hitting your back. Fit a chain guard incase it snapped. Lower seat slightly and make it bigger, be surprised how many people have short legs and like comfort!
Looks great fun!
I agree with everything.
Dear Ladi an Margaret, only just found this channel and just wanted to say thank you! this is a really amazing project and I appreciate your thinking and building outside of the normal bike world, who wants normalcy? Sure not me
i am 6ft 3 i get you ..
i like full matte black body with
orange : seat , brake calipers , cables , spring
and that small bit of orange above the fork
Well done, young man! Your approach is thinking outside of the box to create a new thought box and show the m.c. community a better way to go electric. the only thing I'd change is to a wider ,more comfortable seat with a lower seat height, I'm a senior citizen, so....👍
Everyone built a E-roller, E-bike, E-motorcycle, but no one built a E-quad , think about it, i can make a payment right now to pre-order one, by the way, of course you made a great work, that way i hope you will start to built a E-quad someday....🍀🍀🍀
Thats because 4 wheels is two wheels too many! lol
lots of e quads
Rich Rebuilds made a cyber-quad, not from scratch, but it was cool
like you would actually buy it if he built one... LOL 😅😅
@@mikayla_collie of course I will do it...
The car looks very nice and has a strong sporty appearance. Thank you for sharing. The leading engineer in car manufacturing.
Finally somebody building their own that is awesome
Seriously smart design! Absolutely the right approach with form following function. And it looks great too. The only thing I’d like to see is big motorcycle shocks (48mm) full size swingarm and Brembro brake calipers with 320mm or bigger discs. Basically full-size motorcycle components. This bike could definitely handle it!
Yes and 21" front and 19" rear wheels!😎
It’s not motocross category so I won’t be installing motocross shocks. These brakes are poisonous sharp, no need to change at this point. We currently have installed 21 and 18 wheels.
@@ladiandmargaret Shame that, guess someone else will add the components I spoke of then. Still though, your bike has a superb design. Great work👏 I went ahead and subscribed. Looking forward to seeing what you do next.
You dont paint it, you powder coat it when its done.
Yes and no, in the racing and frame building industry it is argued about. Yes powder coating is amazing protection but the layer it forms on the outside can hide any cracks that may form in the metal. I think builders preference based on amount of abuse frame will take.
In my experience any cracks in welding joints show in the powder coat.
@@TeamSteversdependant on how thick or flexible the powder coat maybe ... the crack may become fatal ... before it shows through
Paint is better than powder coat.
I told you agree powder coating good peel off no matter how good the protection is underneath@@Turbogto_guy
Love it. Please makea follow up video! I hope your kick starter goes well! As far as changes, I think the other comments cover most.
1. Wheel Fenders
2. Offer of different components for gear ratios.
3. I agree with the slightly longer swing arm for road stability
4. By changing the design of the seat frame, I bet you could fit locking helmet storage underneath the seat.
5. Headlights and brake lights.
6. Multiple foot peg mounting points.
When bending tube past I believe it's 30° you need to weld the tube shut on both ends and fill it with pressurized air add a minimum but a Newtonian based fluid would be best when using Newtonian based fluids though you must leave 1/10 of whatever space it is empty as Newtonian based fluids are noncompressible so it would cause the pipe to rupture as you bend it if you overfill it but if you feel it just right you can bend any pipe you can make a complete circle without putting a kink in it
Would weld on a valve and then cut it off after the bend ?
Can you use water ? Or air by itself ?
@@cherrylopper Waters noncompressible as well so you take a risk of rupturing the container and plus it's corrosive
@@cherrylopper you just need a slug really. You could use a valve tho
Hi!
Love your content :D
I worked as a laser machine operator for 6 years. And I noticed you cutting in a strange order. Always do all the internal cutting first and use one cutting profile for that. Then cut out the frame. This is because the holes will not be precisely located if the part drops down onto the support grid (what we call them). Have a second cutting profile linked to the outer contour so when you fine-adjust the diameters of holes, you don't mess with the body. Hope you understand what I tried to explain :D
I need off road wheelchair badly 😅
My wife does too, but handlebars are a problem with no hands. Btw no feet either and prosthetic legs which suck off road. Power wheelchair works fine often but gets stuck on 1.5 inch roots.
As a moto lifer (of almost 60 yrs)here in SO CAL, Baja, Desert, MX & 35yrs around the MTB industry & huge lover of the E industry. I can say (you're on to something). (As a suspension guy) it was interesting seeing you figure out the shock needed to be vertical, just like on a motorcycle. A long seat, some fenders and you're done. Love the storage space. Better than panniers hanging off the bike.
lovely to see a bike designed around its functions rather than echoes of obsolete technology. Looks great as is, no need to paint it, just satin clearcoat. Orange seat is emough colour. Cheers and good luck!
Brilliant. So many people looking for something like this. I’m also 6’2 and sur Ron is like a kids toy for me.
real
If u can't ride it u just noob)
@@rudolfg7631 who said they cant its just small
I've watched thousands of Ebike videos and this by far is the best design I've ever seen patent your idea if possible.
main color gloss black with larger trim areas in bright gloss red. small hints of standard matte twill carbon fiber everywhere. finally, add tiny amounts of shiny gold trimming down any corners & straight lines. any exposed wiring cover it with "teck flex" red or black with black heat shrink at each end of wire to secure it proper. could market this color combo as a special edition. no chrome, anything that would noramlly be chrome try to make it gold. trust me on this. it has been my go to color combo for my personal custom hobby builds. amazing work & what a awesome looking bike. good luck!
You make some awesome creations.
This is no exception.
I’d incorporate a longer seat option, motor, battery & controller cooling.
Technology is advancing to now incorporate mechanical gears & ABS.
I say this, because in addition to pioneering a new design framework, you may as well pioneer what is truly capable given our knowledge & tools of today’s time.
Great products & vision, looking forward to seeing more.
Thank, the battery is overkill and the motor as well. So far we did not even reach temperature close to overheating or causing any issues. We have few ideas for ventilation but I hope we can avoid extra complications and components prone to failure.
I like that the battery is in the lower part of the frame giving you a lower center of gravity for cornering however all that empty space underneath the seat could easily be an extra 50 to 70 miles of range making it a better daily commuter or longer rides but regardless of my opinion it's a beautiful creation that I wish was more my size because I'm only 5'7" but I do need to know what is the final cost?
Much Respect!!! I've been watching showboating derelicts promoting junk, and giving e-biking a bad image. Your passion is what it should be.
that welding jig is one of the coolest things I've seen. great job!
Awesome. Best approach and attitude to "steer up" the market!
Beautiful! From an ex motocross guy. Made me want to ride again. Thank you, Sir.
Firstly, fabulous seeing some folks doing this for real and publicly! I've been messing with ebikes for a while now but what I really want is to drive between city's in the US.
I'm curious about the idea of making it road legal in the US. I thought a VIN was required to register it?
For the kickstarter I'd need to know how a few states would allow that and then I'm 100% in. Typically that means welding a piece of a honda ruckus into the frame and registering as a modified motorcycle. DOT reg lights and such too but the VIN is the harder thing right out of the box.
It’s fully road legal in the USA!
That is a great build man love the bike, posted last before end haha, I wouldn't mind a cyberbike in Canada, also Molle style storage options could be cool. Color scheme I'd say neon electric blue, gunmetal Grey, and Whyte accents would give the cyber to the bike. Best wishes
Nice work, we used to bend tubes by inserting a spring to stop kinking. A laser welder might speed you up while giving good results.
It looks great!!! Maybe a color combination between black and red. And maybe some "post-apocalyptic" color scheme, with some patches of made-up rust because this bike fits the theme, in my opinion. Regarding the storage, maybe you want to back up the magnets with some Velcro straps at least from underneath. And maybe the seat should be a bit cushier. Otherwise, it's great and you are right! It doesn't resemble anything out there! Good luck with mass production. I would love to see this project turned into the next big thing in the e-moto world.
Thanks so much! The seat is just an insulation offcut for now 😂
Ahoj Láďo. Moc pěkný projekt. Pustil jsi se do těch e-bajků se vším všudy. Je to fakt parádní stroj. Jen z technického hlediska co mě jako první trklo jako strojaře to upevnění kyvky. Možná mi to video zkresluje ale v náročnějším terénu by to mohl byt weak spot. Možná bych tam dal vetší průměr šroubu nebo nějaký čep. Ale samozřejmě do toho nevidím jak to máš řešené tak jen co mě cvrnklo do oka. Jinak opravdu parádní práce palec nahoru tobě i Pavlovi. Jsem rád že se ještě může říkat zlaté České ručičky. 🙂
This design is really unique! Epic machine. Also a peak at your prototyping ensures the Kickstarter backuping people the assurance of quality. Nice.
One thing i love about your design is you could easily double the battery if desired.
In addition, one thing i would love to see in ebikes/motorcycles is more hubcenter steering.
Looks great Ladi, I got the plans to build the Cyberbike, and began sourcing components but I was at a dead end when I tried sourcing a battery and charger. I live in the US where we have weak 120v single phase residential power. I've even tried to get a local lithium battery manufacturer to build it, but they were not exactly willing to do it. So, I am at the end of my patience trying to get the bike built. Its been almost 2 years and I have since bought another bike to ride in the mean time. Honestly, If I knew more about building a battery, I would do it myself. I just dont know enough to build it myself. Perhaps if I had a diagram of the battery cell layout and where to spot weld the nickel strips I might just do that. But as of now, i have given up.
We ship batteries to the states. Our chargers work on 120v grid as well, just charge half the speed.
Really liking this! Your team has the opportunity to radically change this type of transportation!
This is so awesome you guys. I’m inspired to both build one of my own and buy one of yours.
I personally thank you from the bottom of my heart for giving me this awesome idea!
Excellent, even space to add a luggage compartment in-between the battery and seat cage !!!
To si tak posloucháš a pak slyšíš tyvole :D, a hned ti ten přízvuk dává smysl ! Super video
Hi... great project!! Have you ever tried an old trick of plumbers here in Brazil to bend tubes without deforming? sealing the tubes and fill them with sand before bending have a internal pressure and keep the tube from deforming while you bent it slowly
I would buy one immediately if the optional painted components had a nice anaglyph design and paint job. Also if you implemented camo designs or even just earthy tone colours and shades to fit the sustainable approach (because it’s all electric) you will be tapping into a huge environmentally friendly market and audience 👏 needless to say i will support this kickstarter project and keep my eyes peeled for an opportunity to purchase my own bike well done! and thank you!
being 6"6' I do wish more manufacturer's would cater for us tall guys, as even though my bomber clone is a big bike I've still had to make custom parts to make it fit me more
It comes down to weight. The bigger, heavier and faster they become, the less road legal they are in most place. At one point you might as well just buy a motorcycle.
This is a motorcycle and it’s street legal in the USA.
I like it! Futuristic cyborg look! Needs more padded seat!
I would like that all black with gold outline! Good work gentlemen! 😊
This isn't bike related and I hope you still read these comments but I've been having a discussion online about solar on vans and I wanted to know what your stats are for generation> I'm sure you have them logged.. So are you able to tell us/me how many KWh you've generated over the last say year?
Keep up the good work man, love your videos, I've still not built that bike
Make some "hard points" around the bike so customers can fit extras to style it as anything between moto cross, super motard, cafe racer or road racer by just bolting on different seat unit, fairing and clip ons ... Great project! Love it!
Hard points?
honestly the fact that the surron is tiny. is what made them popular. larger and heavier bikes exist but do not give the same confidence.
if you really wanted size. you should have gotten the ultra bee or even the storm bee and your 'issue' is fixed. as the storm bee seat height is larger then most gasoline bikes.
I solved it my way. I’m not making dirt bike, this is supposed to be all purpose bike.
@@ladiandmargaret make a supper fun free ride bike that would be ligit
Very cool. I hope to see this in some shops in the USA soon. The question is for the USA is “Does it wheelie?”
Boxing in the seat frame would make a good place to carry you shopping, camping supplies etc .
So cool! I was hoping it was going to be belt driven instead of a chain, but oh well.
Really going to be interested, now that the prototype is done, to see how building the second one goes!
Thanks. Belts are great but have a lot of disadvantages.
You really did a awesome job sir, it's a monster of machine. Man I'm anxious to see what you create next. I bet you could make a quadquapter with some propellers.
This is so rad!! One day I want to grow up and be like you 😮
My suggestion would be build a moto edition if you haven’t already. Maybe beef up the suspension & add a rear fender. Something comparable to stark varg but not 14k
Well made , very promising , all the best .
Congratulations on this full size built. Being 6'6" (198cm) myself and making big bicycles, I am happy to see this. Did you have a look at the similar comcept from ExoDyne?
Great engineering. I think the fork angle is a bit steep and you need a bit more offset on the yokes. You might find it a bit twitchy on fast downhill sections
A cuople fenders and your set. Beautiful bike/ motorcycle
Already done
This is the best thing I've ever seen. Unbelievably neat.
Great design, very interested on the center point of gravity. You are really innovative in the design to put in storage compartments and adding more value. Great project and good luck with the future of this.
Thanks so much!
Awesome video! I just started vanlife myself as well! I’m a personal trainer who lives in his van in south Florida! Definitely love this lifestyle and freedom it brings! I also share videos on my page :)
Never such thing as an overkill battery. For me at least. haha. This is legit awesome!
Top engineers designed an electric car with a great, powerful, sporty look. Thank you for sharing
Holy crap, guys! I love it! My wife and I are moving to Austria this summer from the US. Do you know if the EU will consider it road safe? I'm heading to your kickstarter either way - it's hard to find things like this for us 6 foot+ guys.
I reckon you should add on a longer seat/tail say for like a second person to sit and better look other than that its looking pretty cool and seems to perform pretty well great job loved it 😁👍👍
This video is old, look at our new version at MySuperEbike.com
Looks awesome, except the sear looks small and confined. Can you make the seat a little bigger for us big butted fellas? Lol. Everything looks awesome Ladi I know you will continue R&D because that's the kind of builder you are!
Thanks. We’ve been working on the seat:)
Electric Blue for color is a no brainer plus I love your concept 😊
Great video & awesome build! I bought a Zero FXE about 18 months ago and now I wish I had waited to get a cooler looking high performance motorcycle like yours. Good luck on the campaign.
Sell yours and buy ours. We would appreciate the support :)
What a incredible job! Even the potential for up grades! I will support this project! Definitely Im going to do this myself! Way to awesome not to! It that good!
You've got great talent and build great bikes
Well done with your unique design. Thanks for the vid. Jim Bell (Australia)
There's sufficient empty space under that seat to install, for instance, twice as much battery, or a battery of similar capacity but a lower cost, less power-dense formulation like LiFePo4.
The battery is already oversized considering on board fast charger. Cargo space will be the best.
@@ladiandmargaret it is never oversized! My weight it is much more than yours, so it will drain the battery faster
this is awesome! im very interested in this! congrats you guys did an amazing job!
Love it..when can I buy one ? .. I’d like a longer seat, mudguards & a storage case 😁🙏🏻
You can place your preorder right away. Longer seat with mudguard will be on the bike but I’m afraid we need few more months to do the storage properly.
I'm quite interested. I don't need a lot or range myself, and it speaks to me, I could find a case use for it in my life. You should look as well to try and sell it to the military, they're very interested in silent vehicles for recon. Your design parameters just tripled their own range capacities if I'm not mistaken.
That would be ideal! You can place your order right away at MySuperEbike.com
Awesome bike! With a longer dirt bike style seat that also holds a rear fender this thing would rip. You need the extra space front and back to weight shift effectively when riding. Great job
It’s not exactly motocross bike.
@@ladiandmargaret what is it?
Great video, very nice E Bike basically a dream build of mine. Maybe one day I can get (afford) one. Best of luck and have a good one!
Cool design. I’d encourage you to consider a more traditional swingarm pivot point instead of just having a flat plate that bolts up to the frame. This will be a weak point and more importantly it will introduce flex into the rear suspension system; not the best.
Can you direct me the right way where I could see what you mean?
You should check out the Rogue Fabrication tubing bender. Great machines and probably the cheapest option for mandrel bending tube.
Great bike. I suggest the color used should be the same green color of the workbench shown in this video. Maybe a combo of black and that color. Thanks.
YES! Fer us 'big-handed' fellas. Thank you brah!
Will be great when you create a version with pedals. In some countries we will drive under the radar 😊
this is SICK
God has given you such a gift to be so creative like you are! :)
Needs 21"in front & 19" in rear and run some tubeless tubes to get max performance from your tires. Tires are always over look.
I agree with tubeless. This bike already has 21 and 17”. I disagree with 19” at the back but will likely install 18”.
first failure point will be the back arm connection to the motor. You rely only on bolts to support all the stress in ride while going over bumps? :)
Wow very Cool Love the design, maybe have a design contests so people can enter in different color combinations and you can get customer input for it what they would like something like. A downloadable PDF showing the different profiles of the bike and then You can put your own graphics make it all custom. I want one..
Great idea!
I didn't see that rear swingarm move at all when you rode it!? Is the suspension locked out?
Also, if it is for offroad, if you're off the seat or slip backwards off that seat, you have the possibility of the seat rail smashing into your stomach/pelvis. Or falling down onto the wheel. I think the commercial design will need to do something with that gap. Due to that battery mass, I also think you may need airflow ducts and or cooling fins when riding hard off road on steep hills or woodland where air can be still.
Good luck! 👍