Doug Brignole on shoulders, pressing and injuries
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What are we going to do about these shoulders? Development, injuries, what works, what doesn't? Watch and see how.
Doug was soooo intelligent.
Rest in Peace both him and Ric drasin.
They are both training in the best gym in heaven now.
@BodyWeightStrong Exactly.
Vince Girondas is in charge of the gym up in heaven and he won't allow squat racks up there as he hated them down on earth.
So Doug and Ric are probably pumping iron along with Franco and Ed in a seperate gym that Moses set up in a crazy middle dimension.
Most of the most of the Old Testament prophets pump iron down there.
I hear King Saul can bench 500 pounds now!
This is probably the best bodybuilding video ever created
agreed
one of the best for sure. Very logical. and it is rare to hear people this logical.
Specially for me who suffers from shoulder pain... this is pure GOLD!
Yup people will eventually see...dont rush...
doug is a genius. I really don't understand how someone like Mr. Brignole is not as popular as someone like Charles Glass. his knowledge is so immense.
whos Charles Glass?
@@JaronPope just someone who is more successful
Been following Doug's advice for the past 9 months now. My shoulders are more developed and completely injury free. Cheers guys!!!
so front raise
side raise
and rear delt flys ?
I’m 2 months in and it’s going great my shoulders were screwed now they feel great no pain
I'm 36, and still feeling the left shoulder injury I got 2 years ago from seated military presses. Safety is no joke. Thanks for the video
This is an explanation on the term "Active Shoulder" by Mark Rippetoe, defending the overhead press.
The term “active shoulder” has been used to describe what happens when the muscles of the
shoulder girdle are used to support weight overhead in a way that protects the joint from impingement
and places the load in balance over the scapulas. It involves the active contraction of the trapezius
muscles, in recognition of the fact that the scapulas articulate with and therefore support the arms in
the overhead lockout position, and that the traps thus ultimately hold up the weight of the bar if it
is in balance directly over the glenoid fossa, the “socket” of the ball-and-socket joint of the shoulder.
The active concentric contraction of the traps at the top of the scapula combined with the tension at
the bottom of the scapula from the serratus anterior combine to tilt the top of the bone in the medial
direction, away from the humerus in its position of lockout overhead, thus preventing any possible
impingement of the soft tissue between the acromion process and the humerus. In effect, the triceps
and deltoids bring the arm bones into alignment and hold them that way, but the traps hold the load
up overhead by holding up the scapulas, the bones over which the bar is balanced and supported.
I get that from a bodybuilding standpoint the shoulder press is not necessary for the medial delt. But I'm not sold yet that its a dangerous movement.
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I agree. Not everyone has the same issues. It’s good that they offer this knowledge though because different perspectives always enhance the experience
Where were you 30 years ago?!? For all of you youngsters out there, watch this video to the end.
I worked out with him 40 years ago, and he did not know this then. Wish he did....haha
Wish I knew sooner. But it’s never to late to learn, and I’m 48.
Im 50 years old and still train 5 times a week , but was on the verg of giving up due to constant shoulder pain. But after watching this vidio, i have changed my shoulder workout to dougs advice and now have had a new lease of life minus the shoulder pain. thanks fantastic advice
I restructured my shoulder work outs too a after watching Ric's and Doug's videos. It was the best thing I've done for my shoulders.
Four years later, is it still working?
@@JonathanDLynch Definitely . Shoulder pain hasn't returned. Still training
@@greghone6421 Nothing like solid testimony to inspire. Thank you :)
@@greghone6421 I have been just not doing overhead press or inclines and my shoulder already feels better.
my shoulders are eternally grateful for this video
I'm reviewing ALL of the Ric and Doug AND Jerry videos... Pure "gold"!
Doug is a genius, I'll follow his advice.
I wish I'd found doug and Rick in my teens/20's. Perhaps my shoulders wouldn't be so damaged in my 40's. Rip guys.
Yeah me too
This, quite literally, may be THE single-most informative video on lifting I have come across on TH-cam. WOW...I'm a personal trainer that leads classes several nights a week, and I'm really going to start incorporating these adaptations in regards to delt work rather than having people cranking overheads! Thank you, Doug and Ric! Keep this stuff coming!
I personally think that if somebody isn’t a competitive bodybuilder that they don’t need to do any direct shoulder work other than rear delts because the shoulders get worked with chest work and back work and basically any weight lifting exercise.
@Goofyguy4ever I fell and destroyed my right elbow and can’t turn my hand so I do all neutral grip lifting- Trap Bar Deadlift, Safety Bar Squats, Swiss Bar Floor Presses, Dumbbell Rows
Ive taken your advice since long time ago. Doug has repeatedly said in the past that shoulder presses are harmful. I haven't done them in 6 months. and its funny how people come up to me and tell me how nice shoulders i have but they refuse to believe i don't do presses at all. except dumbbell press for chest. I don't even do bench press with bar anymore. to seriously take care of my shoulders. Im still young but i want to use your techniques as early. Thank you for these videos. appreciate it
I bought Doug's book back in January. Since then i have implemented his advice, my chronic shoulder and hip pains have disappeared AND my shoulders are growing faster than ever!! More now than in my 30 years of training! No more dips and overhead pressing! I don't miss them!
Doug Brignole is freakin awesome
I used to get left shoulder problems from dips, shoulder press and dumb bell bench press. Took out dips for good, took out shoulder press for good and simply do rear and lateral raises. Replaced dumb bell bench with pulley system sitting bench press. I barely get any pain now.
KrazyKrzysztof m8 i get biceps pain close to shoulder i can do any press exerices at all, this sport are pretty risky if u go heavy,
Lukan Gains You probably know this already but the bicep connects to the shoulder so it is possible that your heavy bicep curls are causing some of that shoulder pain. I received some nasty left shoulder pain from curling a dumb bell over my normal weight months ago.
tbh i got it from heavy pressing, i just feel in the weeknes in the tendon,
For me the shoulder problems stopped when I included rotator cuff exercises every shoulder session. Lowered the weight and ditched the military press
30 years old, I've had an impingement in my left shoulder for years that would get painful after doing any sort of lateral raises. Never did overhead pressing, always lifted within a safe range, nothing helped until I started doing dead hangs. Within a week I had no pain at all, absolutely amazing. Just hanging from a bar and letting it stretch the joint out. I do it every workout now and I haven't had shoulder pain since.
Uniform Black great will try that
Ric, I love these videos. Thank you for always getting interesting and knowledgeable guests. As a younger guy and a fan of the history of bodybuilding, it's always fascinating to hear you guys tell stories and share your experiences. I greatly appreciate you veterans of the sport informing us about the pitfalls of potentially wearing down our joints day in and day out with some of these "bread and butter" movements, such as the OH press.
Yeah I stopped doing shoulder dumbell presses after the first little tendon Injury. Allowed me to lift heavier on decline bench press and shoulders didn't stop growing using lateral movements
I just turned 45 and I'm getting back to the gym after many years of absence and I have shoulder problems. I've also just discovered Ric's program and am learning a ton about how to continue training as I get older. I can't wait to use Doug's techniques and see the results.
How about a list of Dougs favorite exercises, that is if he doesn't mind giving up his secrets!:-) I would buy that info, he is my fav guest!
Good to do a vid on this. I know many at my gym and on forums all with the same type of shoulder issues. Part of the solution for me is to stop doing the things that cause the problems in the first place. Doug is right on this!
You and/or Doug should do Q & A. It would be cool.
such a smart and cool guy great video ric
I seriously love this channel. Just discovered you guys a week ago and cannot stop watching your older videos!!! So much good info. Thank You Ric and Doug 👍🏻💪🏻
Some great advices , I am 66 and have been training since I was 18 , and have had 5 rotator surgeries in the last 15 years , work related , so I train smart and the things he spoke about work great 👍
Awesome video Rik as it is relevant to so many people!
Doug takes things to a whole new level from where Mike Mentzer left off.
Like don’t over train muscles by over lapping muscle groups, on different days.
But also, eliminates the needless power lifting movements, that only where out your joints & spinal.
Just tried out your rear delts with cables. Have a very good pump at the back of the shoulder.
Thank you.
Doug's a real oracle.
I regret doing incline an dips today, I went heavy too. ouch, it's so hard to resist though
Doug needs to travel the globe spreading the message ... He is the best thing to happen to bodybuilding literature/ training in the last 50 years.
I can feel pain instantly on an upright row...hate it.
wow. Thank you, I'm officially done doing overhead press and other bs exercises. I was wondering why my shoulders hurt so much. But I guess I've doing it wrong. Im gonna be 30 soon and I can barely workout cause of shoulder pain
Ric, your channel is fantastic. Thanks for posting these videos.
I got zero shoulder problems and i've moved heavy poundages for years. I love the behind the neck shoulder press. I'm kinda amazed but i must be one of the rare few. Though i did martial arts during my teen years and had very flexible and agile joints from even before i started, noticed i was more limber than my peers, even down to my fingers...so that explains it a bit. But i have friends who are many years younger than me that began to experience terrible ache and pain in the shoulders after just a few years of training in the gym. It's all very good information nonetheless.
I've been watching Ric's videos for years and this is the first time I notices that he is missing half his pinky finger on his right arm.
Really informative RIC ...I personally felt a huge difference reducing weights on overhead press , in fact that strengthen my delts more ... Its difficult to digest the fact to discard military press off routine though ... But joint health sud take priority ...
When is Big RON visiting ...???
Thanks Ric...
Easily one of my favorite guests. Thanks Ric!
You should do a show detailing the optimal exercises for each muscle group! Great INFO!!
beautiful talk
I wasted so many years doing behind the neck shoulder presses that did nothing but kill my neck. Lying triceps extensions, or skull crushers, the second wasted exercise that did nothing but kill my elbows. Thankfully, I learned from my errors.
Fuark I've been doing everything this guy said not to do, very informative video, I have a infraspinatus injury I've been trying to work around.
Oh my god Ric! I am so guilty of these things feeling as if I am getting ROASTED Ha ha!
These techniques worked great for me-Older lift erwith shoulder issues.
This is an AMAZING interview, I've learned a lot. I would like some more healing movements. You need to pump the blood to the shoulders else the it won't heal.
brilliant stuff Ric
more on hip mobility / injury prevention from squats etc would be good.
Carter Speaks could also be over activation of the hip flexors rather than the quads. I think that was my issue. The leg press really builds up the hips (i did not know this till recently) thus on the squat my body just recruited the strongest muscle (hip flexors). Not touching leg press no more. live n learn
It is very interesting what he says about the front raises. Thank you for sharing this. Cheers! Keep up with the good work.
6:38 I disgree. Our ancestors lifted heavy animals and put them on their backs to carry it to their houses- caves. People lifted blocks and put them somewhere above in order to build shelters. We pushed things above, in ohp press position. However I agree that an incline bench is an unnatural position for exercising.
The point about our ancestors was irrelevant and redundant. Obviously our ancestors knew LESS than we do now and lived shorter lives.
EverDayBest thats very stupid of you to say. actually they lived longer and healthier. they didn't have AIDS or any of these new diseases back then. our grandparents lived long, at least mine did. and they didn't eat all the garbage fast food, or processed food like we do today. they eat more healthy and fresh food. so i think your comment is invalid. correct me if I'm wrong :)
Brofessor A You're wrong.
1900s life expectancy avg for the world was around 40.
1950s life expectancy avg for the world was around 50.
It's now above 80 years for many developed nations. See here for a sourced list, check the source if ya doubt.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy#List_by_the_World_Health_Organization_.282013.29
wikipedia? man i know about my grand parents and ancestors... they had healthier lifestyle, natural resources, no phones or cars so lots of body movement. wtf you need to expand your knowledge and think beyond internet.
Not my business to make you right, suit yourself mate
That's absolutely hilarious - the picture they flashed for improper rear delt movement at 13:43 is the gym i go to .
He was well spoken and intelligent no question but I can't see how early versions of ourselves would NOT have pressed overhead or carried overhead or held their arms in fixed positions overhead etc..
The warmup stimulates blood flow to those muscles.
EXCELLENT video!!!
I've stopped all over head pressing
Maaaaan, SO much info in there going AGAINST the grain of what I thought. Brilliant!
Really gonna have to change my delt workout and see what happens. I'm 52 without any shoulder problems. I do perform overhead presses but not really heavy and ALWAYS with dumbbells. I'm always careful not to over stretch by going too low. Have done since the 80's. Upright rows have always been evil in my mind ;-)
Now I'm gonna stop for a while and stick to all the diff lateral raises as described. (Gonna really miss my incline D/B presses though as they're my fave!!!)
Ric & Doug together is like Jim Beam with the black label...perfect. Cheers guys
The rat inside my shoulder is leaving while watching this
I do the overhead dumbbell press with elbows 45 deg. from torso, so pretty much in the middle of the range of motion Doug described... will this help avoid injury?
Also thanks to Doug, I got rid of many potentially damaging exercises from my routine... awesome guy, he should be on more often!
Seated shoulder press is a excellent exercise as long as you're not flaring your elbows when you lower the bar toward your chest. I have always touch my chest with the bar but I also stretch and do rotator cuff exercises for the last 20 years. when you have a wide grip on the seated shoulder press it makes it hard on your shoulders because you cannot talk your elbows. Same as the bench press, it's all about talking your elbows but do not over talk to your elbows.
east wood agreed, but I think you meant "tuck" not "talk". ;)
Doug gives great info on many things, but he over-reaches on many others. As with anything, it is up to a us to take in heard info, filter, buffer, and reinvent it as something unique that works for us based on our own creativity and experience. My shoulder issues began from over-tucking my elbows without adjusting my grip. Now I bench, for example, as power-lifters do, with my hands narrower on the bar, allowing the elbows to tuck naturally as my arms follow the natural line of movement.
east wood keep telling yourself that....lets see how long you last
Awesome video Ric! Doug is the best thanks for the info!
This is a great video!!! Thanks for the great advice! Will try this on next shoulder day
i would love to see this guy and jeff cavalier from athlean x do a video - both very smart and very strong physical therapist with a focus on injury prevention and true non compensatory strength
I have a rotator cuff tear. I started doing overhead presses with elbows pointing forward and it is going well for me.
Hurt mine pressing wrong, healing it pressing right. What can ya do.
Love the advice not to work an injury. I wish I'd paid more attention to that a few months back, but at least I've got a good physical therapist...!
I'm 29 and get shoulder pain from doing lateral raises.. very rarely did overhead pressing. Sigh
Great content
Awesome video. Thanks Ric and Doug.
Regarding the cryogenic, there's also the old fashioned "Cool Dip" or Ice Bath which athletes use after a game.
Ric, no offense, but I don't believe you can change the ph of your body regardless of what you ingest.
Damn. No need to do smith machine overhead presses or military presses anymore. Lol thx for saving my shoulders!!!!
I remember him from back in the day. Zane type physique. When this was an art form.
Hm... Grabbing the bar as wide as you can in a Smithmachine and only rowing to your chest will put your upper arms pretty much parallel (Row back and up) should enable you to upright row without pain. Only reason to do it is that its easier to overload the muscle than with dumbells.
Oh and thumbless grip feel alot better but thats a just a personal opinion i do know that thumbless in many excersises spares the the shoulder a lot it also stops you from using the bicep as much in back excersis.
Personly i do it without pain this way and a got the tip from Jim Stopani.
Oh i never do overhead presses anymore upright, lateral, reverse fly (the chimpway).
Excellent information! Thank you
With his common sense to shoulder exercise, and having bad shoulders, I bought his book.. It is not inexpensive!
Wish I would have met Doug before I needed shoulder surgery.
By the way , Doug is the man
hi Ric and Doug first of all thank you a lot for sharing this very important infos for the whole lifting community also from your other videos great great stuff!!! would you like to do a video where you talk about recommendet anatomy+resistance curve training for each bodypart? thank you for your time fellas always a pleasure btw: when is dougs book coming out? tx
rear delts can be tricky...i only have a single cable...i guess one arm at a time would be effective... bands are great except mine are cheap and all the bands i use for lighter movements they keep snapping...really hot and humid in my home gym... I can say i used to do heavy presses for years..no issues...but at 63 even just a couple light sets seems to hurt my shoulder joints now...
Does Doug have a book on this subject? ps Recovering from shoulder surgery!
cant wait to try that rear delt exercise
Great tips, thank you guys!
Really really interesting, like most I have shoulder issues.. I have a small tendon tear in my right rotator cuff. My left shoulder clicks plenty too. I have stopped all overhead work, I also had a steroid injection in my right shoulder 6 months ago which helped.
I was told heat was best applied to my shoulder to increase blood flow rather than ice?
this is a revelation to me
Great Advice , I would try this .
Why is Doug's head so small compared to Ric's head?
jaw baw Genetics.. obiously..
Thanks,this is a great information !
There the best.Miss Ric
Awesome explanations...this Doug guy is amazing....are there any books written by him?
Doug should put out a workout dvd demonstrating his selected exercises.
Just buy his book. It's fantastic and a workout life changer.
He has videos on his website...
Pure Gold
“ does it make you feel better if you hear they’re injured”, lol
So what should i do at the gym? Just stand there?
This let me so confused, according to what he's saying can't do shit but two exercises? Who knows if he's right though.
TheOlzee I agree. Guy doesn't want us to do anything. Maybe I'll try talking fast and in circles and see if I get any results.
thank you so much !
Awesome,thanks for the info!
for dips, why not simply rotate forward so your back is more parallel to the ground... takes a lot of stress off the shouder joint
Not everyone is able to do that...
I know after my rotator cuff surgery, I can no longer do dips. I tried it once and the pain was immediate in my repaired shoulder so I stopped at once. No more for me.
Is bad advice to not do shoulder press because it's the only exercicise in which you are doing any sort of protraction of the scapulae (because most people retract their scapulas when they bench press) and it's the one of a few exercices that shorten the trapezius inferior to its max and activate the serratus anterior.
If you don't do any kind of overhead press or upward rotation you will develop muscles imbalances and I talk from experience. Shoulder press is a great exercise and everyone should do it, just don't put too much weight on the bar!