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The only thing that would make it work is giving it the Captain N angle; by that, I mean having to teleport to different worlds, from the Mushroom Kingdom to Planet Zebes, or even Hyrule. It would make for a better "Spider-verse" style movie than Spider-verse itself, because the amount of familiar characters outweigh the obscure.
The difference between the Marvel Cinematic Universe and a potential Smash Cinematic Universe is that the Marvel characters always inhabited the same world, even in the comics, but the Smash characters are really only together because it makes a cool crossover fighter, that’s why a Smash Cinematic Universe would be hard to pull of
I think you could kind of solve this issue Mario and link live in the same Universe to me so many references to mario In LOZ Samus and Star fox are mainly in space so you don't know if they are in the aren't in the same universe too Kirby is in another planet though the forgotten land shows earth is abandoned so maybe it might he another dimension Punchout is in the same universe Sonic, megaman, fire emblem, probably Xenoblade and Splatoon are in another universe
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 missions in kirby's dream land 3 involve fire flowers, metroids and samus so kirby may share a universe with both metroid and mario.
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Eh, I feel like the genres are similar enough that having Dr. Strange next to the Guardians isn’t that weird, at least to me
Remember back in the day when every movie was allowed to be a standalone film and didn’t need to connect to a massive universe in order to work? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
@@Antasma1 there's also the Monsterverse, but those release far enough apart that we forget it's a cinematic universe. Edit: I almost forgot the Universal Monsters! They have the first cinematic universe ever and it involved Abbott & Costello!
Exactly. You can just put them in the same style of the CG scenarios that happen within the character reveal trailers of Smash 4 and Ultimate or in the style of Subspace and World of Light’s cutscenes for example but more expanded upon and that can work fine.
People are forgetting the Super Smash Bros franchise was originally about a child playing with his favorite video game characters and making them duel, at one point even using his own hand as a fun boss battle.
I think a Smash movie could work if they stuck with the 12 originals from Smash 64, but they would obviously need to expand on each franchise individually first. The majority of the characters could use the Warp Zone to become stranded; you could even go the extra mile and make the entrance pipe look like something from that character's world. Star Fox and F-Zero could be easy, considering they take place in space. However, this would only work in my opinion if EACH character works up their own franchise separately.
Also, I forgot to mention lol. Illumination actually has a new internal label called Moonlight, which is for movies tailored to more mature audiences. I'm not saying Nintendo will consider it, but I think it's worth a mention.
Don’t forget that it would be a legal nightmare to make a Smash movie as well. Mario is made by Universal, Detective Pikachu is done by Warner Bros., and Sonic is done by Paramount. Given that different companies are involved in those movies, it would cost way too much money for that to happen and given that it would involve other 3rd parties, this whole thing would be a financial nightmare to make this happen. Plus, how would some franchises like Animal Crossing, Duck Hunt or even Wii Fit or the Miis would even work in a cinematic universe? That can be one possible reason why a Smash Cinematic Universe is a BAD idea.
To have the Mario movie is a blessing to have a ncu or Smash Bros. movie is a wish. Let's give the Mario movie universe time to develop before we dive into the future.
The MCU was nothing more than a fluke and I wish people stop advocating for other companies to follow suit. Also, how the hell is a Smash Bros movie going to work? Smash isn't canon. Smash takes place in a child's imagination during playtime because those are toys and not the real characters. That's just Toy Story. Why spend several million dollars to build on that?
@@URFTBOUND4LIFEyou say that as if Smash isn't super popular. Also, is that not just a theory? Even if it is canon, I see literally no problems with it.
I can definitely see Smash Bros work as standalone TV series or comic book series, since you have way more freedom to develop and flesh out characters, experiment with different dynamics, and create unique scenarios that never exploded in the games.
I believe this quote from Jurassic Park sums up the people who want a Smash movie. "You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think if you should."
A Smash movie sounds hype for like a minute before you run through the multiple logistical issues it would have to go through for what people have in mind. Smash is fine not because it's a shared universe but because it's a non cannon crossover with no story whatsoever. I love Subspace not because it shows off what a Smash movie could look like but because it's just cool to see fun character interactions like Samus and Pikachu. It's narrative, characters and plot feel loosely glued together but we excuse it because it's just cool. I don't want a half baked shared universe that was barely thought out just for the sake of it "being cool" with nothing else to back it up. I want different Nintendo characters to get shows and movies and the like but they can just be separate. It's like Marvel has poisoned our brain to think things should always be connected even though it's the only one who did it properly. Not to mention we could still have a cinematic universe with Mario and the like 4 other characters with entire side series that are still connected under that umbrella. It just feels entirely too early to even concieve this as an idea, let alone think it's a good one.
Yes 💞 Personally, I would have liked it. If they do it in a slice of life, I mean yes, have the battles definitely have the battles. But. Also, just have characters in your Interact each other. With crazy Shenanigans, have a friend Like characters from the future. Interacting the older tech People are from medieval times interacting with technology and general. Maybe more insight on certain characters. Like, say Mario? Or Ness
@@WaterMeLoan64 A Captain N Reboot would be cool. It'd be like if you combine the nostalgia factor of Smash Bros. with the meta humor of those Kid Icarus cartoons on the 3DS. But unlike the original Captain N, the characters are more well-researched; for example, Mega Man would be depicted as an android child that talks like Aang from Avatar, Pit would be Nintendo's equivalent of Finn from Adventure Time, and Simon Belmont would totally be Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Ya people gotta slow down, the Mario movie literally just came out we still have yet to know what’s coming next and the fact people are jumping onto Smash bros imminently is concerning. Also Illumination cannot make a Zelda or Metroid movie work since they have much more mature tones than they’re movies ever had. I just want a Donkey Kong Country movie for now
To be honest, I think such a crossover could work as an episodic series; without any continuity or story arcs, you wouldn't have to worry too much about establishing the characters before they meet one another. It'd still be a licensing nightmare, though.
In order for a Smash Bros. Movie to work, you'd need to establish the other characters and their universes, and even if we keep it to the original 12...that's still so many characters to focus on. It would be a very long ways away from where we are now, and I also feel the workload to even make this happen would be to incredibly stessful and time consuming, and that's on top of making sure it's of good quality as well
Well they’ve already established 3 of the original 12, the other not so relevant characters can be worked into the film. Pokémon is already well known and popular so it wouldn’t need a movie. Really you just need 3 movies, a Kirby film, and Zelda film, and a Metroid film. These alone are enough to bring in a crossover.
@matwitch8872 there is something in Smash Brawl first trailer, the artstyle change, so do it again as a refarence, like make them as animatied, but in new style for everyone
In my opinion a super smash bros movie could possibly work if it is a standalone movie. If it is a shared universe then it's gonna be huge mess, i could just tell. Plus i don't really see it working because lots of videogame movies we know were made by different movie company's. Mario is illumination, sonic is paramount, detective pikachu is warner bros, the upcoming street fighter movie is being made by legendary etc and on top of that, mario is animated meanwhile sonic & detective pikachu are live action.
I think the main problem with a smash bros movie would be the IP They might eventually have to add sonic And other characters that aren't nintendo characters
Even if Nintendo doesn't make a series of movies building up to Super Smash Bros, they can still win by playing it safe and just sticking to Mario. There's so much that one franchise has to offer. I can see them making spin-off movies with Luigi and Donkey Kong. I can definitely see Luigi's Mansion happening. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that development on a Luigi movie happened shortly after Mario. But if they did make a Smash Bros movie, it probably won't feature the likes of Sonic, Mega Man, etc. It would probably be about the Smash 64 roster, or one half of them. I can see the initial team consisting of Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, Samus and Kirby with Captain Falcon being Nintendo's Nick Fury.
The issue with this a Smash Bros movie/Nintendo Cinematic Universe is that you can only use like 6 Nintendo franchises. Mario, Zelda, Metriod, DK, Pokemon, and Kirby. The other Nintendo franchises don't have that mainstream popularity or universal appeal in order to benefit from a big theatrical movie plus most of them can't really transition into movies. Maybe Star Fox can work, but the series is basically on life support. Series like Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Kid Icurus, Star Fox, F-Zero, Mother, Arms, Punch Out, Splatoon, etc only work as video games. Plus if you want 3rd party characters that's another issue.
Metroid doesn’t have mainstream appeal. Especially if you’re going to claim Splatoon doesn’t when Splatoon 2 sold over 13 million with Splatoon 3 at 10 million. The best selling Metroid has only did 3 million.
@@Ramona122003 A game series can sell a shitton of units but still not be "mainstream" if that makes sense. An example would be Dungeon and Fighter Online. One of the most successful online games ever, if not the most, and one of the highest grossing franchises ever. But I think it's safe to say that you never heard of it before this comment. I barely even heard of it before the fighting game spin off got announced. That kind of thing is what I mean. I wouldn't call Splatoon mainstream like that. It's big among Nintendo fans of course and it certainly has the potential to be over time alongside others like ARMS which also sold a good bit as new IPs. I mean look how long it took for animal crossing to finally solidify itself as mainstream despite also always selling a bunch. But I don't see much of a push for it to get to that level by Nintendo atm. There are no spin offs, no push for outside media beyond that little manga. There WAS the competitive scene, which had a good thing going from what i saw but idk what the status between them and Nintendo is rn. Though as competitive communities do, they push on with or without the N, same as smash and ARMS (though ARMS seems the best treated by Nintendo in this regard since part of its creation was to serve that purpose). Fans online see an Inkling on some Nintendo themed web page next to Mario and Link or whatever and start going "aye yo, Splatoon's Zelda tier franchise" but they gotta chill out a bit lol. It can get there but I don't really see the drive from Nintendo to do much beyond just making the core games every few years, and even then i wonder how long they can keep up the formula when as early as the 2nd game they got met with "this is just previous game with different weapons" (not that I'm one of those people). Anyway, all that being said, Metroid definitely isn't close mainstream either, you're right lol. It's good that its getting love, and its definitely an iconic franchise of Nintendo's and gaming, but i think that's the issue here. There's being influential for gaming and then there's being MAINSTREAM huge. Now i respect Metroid a lot cause of how influential it is, but it's just funny to see how much of a difference there is between Nintendo fan's views of how mainstream the series is compared to how everyone outside sees it. Edit; also it's fine to be relatively niche at the end of the day. Not every IP has to get to even Zelda or Kirby's level. Relative niche status means less likely to have things you liked about the series having 50/50 shot of getting ruined for "general appeal". More realistic performance expectations financially. Maybe a much less annoying fanbase than if you were huge lol.
@@MagillanicaLouM My pushed back is that the Splatoon series is very much mainstream in Japan. They have pop concerts, a ton of merch, and was the second biggest opening ever in Japan beating only by Pokemon S/V. You also can't really compared Splatoon to ARMS since ARMS sold between 1-2 million while Splatoon 1 sold 6 million on the Wii U. I would also argue that Animal Crossing reached mainstream by at least New Leaf, especially in Japan since Animal Crossing has a movie that never left Japan.
@@Ramona122003 My thing is again, sales don't aren't the be all. With animal crossing, nearly every game has sold about as well or better than splatoon has and a movie but we can agree that it took until at least the last couple games to reach the status it has. The concerts are a nice aspect in favor for Splatoon but idk how successful or frequent those are. I can name other game series that have Japan only concerts that are far more mainstream to the culture than Splatoon but definitely don't sell as many game units, like Sakura Wars for example and that series definitely has way more than those concerts and some merch going on such as multiple anime/OVA series, stage plays, A LOT of spin offs, it's own movie, mangas, light novels the absolute units they get to voice these characters and even do stage performances back in the day. And that series had a 15 year hiatus to boot. But the concert thing is still definitely a step for Sploon's potential which goes back to what i said, and why I included ARMS in that aspect as they fill similar roles in their overall appeal and places in their genres that can lead to them over time becoming sorta like the mario karts of their genres and eventually gain that kind of pop culture impact, especially in Japan, (I finally got a switch this year and a lot of the time when I hop on ARMS online I'm swarmed by numerous Japanese players with somehow pretty decent connections more often than not, dunno how they pulled that off lol) and unlike mario kart they also have the bonus of (at least intentionally cultivated by Nintendo themselves) competitive communities as a cherry on top. I just think Nintendo has to push more for them and other new IPs. Shit, I'd throw RingFit in that discussion too thinking about it. Minus the competitive stuff though that'd be funny to see. Though for different reasons like the ever growing fitness craze around the world in general and the wii fit appeal that made that series breach into the actual mainstream in its own way.
Yeah, there's almost no way it could work. Even later Avengers movies start to strain under their own weight, or really only "focus" on a handful of their characters. SSE just...like, I get there's nostalgia for it, but the story isn't really that good. What you really have is some funny character moments (Luigi being afraid of Waddle Dees, Peach and Zelda teatime, etc). But the actual "story"...the characters aren't even really the characters. "Mario" isn't Mario. He's sorta an automaton that emulates Mario's behavior. And that applies to every character. Like, Marth. How is Marth introduced into the story? He's guarding an empty, generic castle, in the middle of nowhere, from nothing, when the Subspace Army randomly shows up. The world has this dead emptiness to it because they decided to have it take place in the "World of Trophies" instead of an actual crossover deal. So Marth isn't protecting his friends or kingdom or anything, he's just guarding a castle but that seems like a thing an FE character might do. Even Bowser and Ganondorf are just "evil" in a generic way. Ganondorf was serving the Master Hand because....why? That's not something Ganondorf would do. And like, I can't even blame them for this, really. Brawl had like 35 characters depending on how you count, so there would be no way to balance things out properly. You could, at best, maybe make a completely separate, story-focused Smash project and get somewhere around there, but probably not. Same with people who complain about World of Light. I don't even remember how many characters Smash Ultimate had at launch. 60? 70? SSE barely had a story. There'd be no way to execute a proper story in World of Light with almost double the characters, and to be honest, it wouldn't be a good use of resources anyway. If I could've gotten like 5 more characters in Brawl, I probably would have cut SSE or at least gone for something more the size of Melee's adventure. But all this applies even more to a movie. You have at most a 2 hour window to mash these worlds together and have some sort of endgame. I just don't see how you do that.
Here's my question; do we *need* a solo movie for each franchise to have a smash movie? Like I genuinely cannot see a game and watch solo movie, but to not have him in the smash movie feels like a crime. So I think that's the #1 issue I have with this take, the idea that each franchise needs its own solo movie beforehand. I think having them would be cool, but I also think that the idea of having the smash movie based *directly* on the individual movies coming out right now is unrealistic, I can agree with that.
You hit it right on the head. Starting with the studio thing, let's say Illumination's in charge of a Smash movie. Everyone involved in that project would cry themselves to sleep with how hard it will be with or without proper planning. Same goes to any other studio that wants a crack at it. 2nd the story issue. I don't see it if they do it stand alone. But like you said, that has a general audience problem so it won't be a huge deal to them. Finally, the shared universe of Nintendo will never happen. The only way it would happen is if Chris Meledandri convinced Nintendo that it's a good idea when he became an outside director on their board. Otherwise, not happening for the reasons you stated. In conclusion, to me it's not a matter of if a Smash Bros Movie will happen, it's when. If they pump it out within the decade it'll be a bad time, if not we should give it a shot. Also side note, an Illumination Punch Out movie would go crazy, as well as them helming Pikmin.
@@devinsauls3568 They put them together already, I always wanted to see them together more. ever since they did the animated trailer i wanted a smash bros Anime. If Doubt everybody would be on the same page if Smashs brawl didn't have a story mode which involved all of the characters interacting them they did. Palutena Trailer solo made me want an anime in that style. People just want product, and it doesn't sound like a bad idea. ALSO: Crossover Movie isn't the same as Cinematic Universe. They just need to be together once, it Shouldn't be canon to any of their stories. Its basically a 'what if' Movie.
@@LifenKnight People are asking for a Super Smash Bros Movie, not an Anime which is a bad idea in practice and execution. The difference between a crossover and cinematic universe is crossover can happen with little rhyme or reason while a cinematic universe is connected within the same world along with a set up or foreshadowing. Besides what connection Mario have with Metroid, Kirby, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, and Pokemon aside from Nintendo?
@@devinsauls3568 1: my main point is that people wanted this before the avengers came out. 2: There connect is smash bros 3: Wait why would have an anime be a bad idea? Their trailers alone show they got do it.
It's also very funny how people don't realize how sonic is just owned by a completely different company and how little contribution he has in smash, only reason why he's plastered in the box art and ads is just because of the recognizability of sonic and how iconic he is it'd be stupid not put him in the front cover
Smash Bros isn't cannon so it doesn't make sense to build on several movie franchises. Also the premise of Smash Bros, doesn't really work as a stand alone film. Smash Bros is just "playtime" for a small child and those are toys and not the real characters (hence why they turn into figurines at the end of the game) . What y'all asking for is a Nintendo version of Toy Story. And nobody is going to be that excited besides Nintendo diehards. Mario is a standalone character and it did well because the Mario brand broke the mainstream to the point of being recognized by casual and non gamers. The Mario movie doing as well as it did probably was a fluke as well.
3:59 The ONLY way I can see them bringing Ben Schwartz's Sonic in a fully animated Smash Bros. Movie is if Sonic was animated instead of using CGI when he gets teleported there by Master Hand or whatever. If not by Master Hand, then by teleporting there via portal ring. Like Tails can receive a strange energy reading from another dimension on his Miles Electric or something. (Edit: for the others, I have no clue)
As someone who's seen Schafrillas' video on this exact same topic a few days ago, I reluctantly agree because when you REALLY think about it, it's basically a hellscape of a triathlon of creative thinking on all fronts of this idea. But I gotta ask, what if Smash Bros. didn't have to be a movie? What if it can be something else like a TV adaption? Not everything needs to be a damn cinematic universe. Look what happened when X-Men, DC, Dark Universe, and even Transformers did when cashing in on that idea.
Instead of demanding a Smash Bros. cinematic universe, we should instead be demanding Nintendo to actually make a competent Story Mode for the next Smash game that isn't just a interactive Spirit Board menu screen laid out like a platformer world map. Only if a compelling and entertaining plot can be accomplished there first can a Smash cinematic universe be seriously humored, and even then it would still probably not be a good idea.
15:52 - 18:42 I fully agree with this segment. The whole narrative of Subspace Emisarry is something that I would not like to see as a film to be honest. In general, a Smash movie would be nearly impossible to work very well. I'm glad it's staying as a video game.
People seem to forget that a "cinematic universe" isn't just the only thing, it's moved on to being about the MULTIVERSE There's no need for them to all take place in a singular universe anymore just so casuals understand it There's ZERO chance Detective Pikachu, the current Sonic films or ANY live action movies being in a multiverse built off the Mario movie Also they're OBVIOUSLY not going to start with a "brawl" or "Ultimate" movie, they're starting with 64, exclusively Nintendo characters less than 20 if they use Master Hand exclusively as the villain not pulling the ones from their franchises, some of which wouldn't need to have complicated character set ups like Yoshi and the Pokemon, some already having had their own movies to set them up (Mario, potentially Luigi and DK, Link, Samus, and Kirby) that really only leaves Fox, Ness and Captain Falcon out of the original 12 that would need investment and that's if they don't swap them out for other more relevant franchises like Fire Emblem, Splatoon and Animal Crossing and those all get their own franchise films *before* going into Smash, Marvel didn't bother giving Hawkeye or Black Widow their own movies, so why would Nintendo NEED to give their smaller less relevant franchises their own movies? And considering they didn't bother to explain how things work in the Mario universe in the Mario Movie why do people think they need to do that for a Smash movie and not just have it be a FUN spectacle Why do people believe that the film HAS to be structured like the games and can't be altered to better fit a film format? And that they CAN'T take the TIME to actually do it? Smash isn't non-canon to ALL the series, at minimum it's Canon to Kirby, Kid Icarus, and Bayonetta A single shared universe of JUST movies would not work 100% but there's nothing stopping them from being a multiverse adapting longer from series into shows rather than films
to me the only way such a thing could possibly work would be if it focused on the toy aspect and the kind of related themes with like taboo and what have you but it wouldn't be the same versions of the characters as other movies and it would be probably a bit too similar to like the lego movie in concept perhaps
You do provide really good points on why a Smash Bros. movie seems unlikely with all the different asthetics of franchises represented and legal troubles with third party franchises, but how do you feel if I make a fan-made Smash Bros.-esque crossover movie that takes elements from SMBZ and Subspace Emissary that will be flash animated using sprites from various games?
My idea for one is simply don't make it a cinematic UNIVERSE. Make it a cinematic MULTIVERSE. Look, these characters and franchises don't exist in the same universe at all, but having them tied together via a vast multiverse would still connect them in some way, while also keeping them self-contained to their own worlds, characters, and stories, giving us those good, quality standalone films without actually having them rely on being connected in some way. And then for a Smash Movie, you could have Master Hand do some multiversal shenanigans that pull the OG 8 fighters out of their home universes (after they all get established movies first, of course) and cause them to briefly meet up with each other and have to fight a giant glove. And then after that, you could just keep doing what you did. Once the OG 8 return to their home universes after the first Smash movie, just stick to their classic standalone adventures without the other franchises impacting them. Introduce more franchises like Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc. down the line. And if you want more Smash movies, just make them take place in the World of Trophies from the actual Smash games. Maybe at the end of the first one, Master Hand creates an alternate universe where all of the characters across the multiverse co-exist as trophies that fight each other, so that way we could still get a big crossover title that's _also_ standalone from the other franchises. TLDR; a Smash movie or a Nintendo Cinematic Universe (or Multiverse, as I propose) *_could_* actually work. You'd just need to plan it out really well and ensure that it's set up properly to result in a good quality.
Instead of a connected nintendo universe I’d rather have a nintendo studios that just makes lots of good movies that aren’t connected. mario bros 2, donkey kong, luigis mansion, pikmin, kid icarus. Zelda Anime anyone? I don’t need to see mario meet link. I’d rather them have their own great movies
I feel the only way a smash adaptation would work is a series, be a multiverse story, and have 2-3 episodes arc to establish each franchise's characters, that way, the problem of mixing these franchises wouldn't contradict itself or create potential plotholes. for examples: the sonic movie explains that there are like nine different planets, but if either a metroid/starfox movie that is set in the same universe, says there are 16 planets, wouldn't they contradict each other?
Em, you had me in first halv, but you lost me in second Mario in games: Is a italian guy Mario in movie: is a brooklyn guy You know that they can just CHANGE some things for the movie, right?
22:22 I will say that I don't think Ash Ketchum or the Ultra Guardians from the Pokemon Sun and Moon anime should join in on this nexus event if that were to happen. Just because it will be too much of a convoluted story. The same goes with Detective Pikachu. Netflix or Legendary, please make more live action Pokemon stuff NOT PERTAINING/OUTSIDE of Ryan Reynold's Detective Pikachu.
I think it would be possible... For Smash 64. Doing one on Ultimate would be ridiculous. That being said, they've proven they can make a cohesive story through Brawl's Subspace Emissary, and they didn't hardly use any voiced lines. So it's kinda a mixed bag for me.
I agree, I feel Nintendo and Universal should just focus on a sequel to the Super Mario Bros. movie, a Donkey Kong movie, The Legend of Zelda movie, the Luigi's Mansion movie, Star Fox, Metroid, ECT, the Super Smash Bros. movie will not work because of how Paramount has the rights to make the Sonic movies, Warner Bros. Discovery has the rights to make Pokémon movies (mostly Detective Pikachu) and who know where Metal Gear, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Bayonetta, Castlevania, Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie, the King of Fighters, Minecraft and Tekken will go to for movies. But the biggest issues is with Disney, Disney owns the rights to Kingdom Hearts and the characters who are in Kingdom Hearts (minus the Final Fantasy and the World ends with You characters) Disney see Universal and Paramount as competitors when Walt Disney Himself found the Walt Disney Pictures and left Universal BC of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (I know Disney owns Oswald new a days since 2006 but I don't want to go down that Rabbit hole,) not to mention how both Disney and Universal has theme parks resorts Nintendo and Universal would have to go though legal though legal troubles to get the rights to third party characters and Sora for the Super Smash Bros. movie, I'd rather if Nintendo just focus make stand alone pictures for their IPs with Universal and have T.V. shows on Netflix and partner with IDW Publishing for the Super Mario comics and Dark Horse Comics for The Legend of Zelda, Metroid and Star Fox comics.
I’m not saying that a Smash movie is likely to ever happen, but I disagree that it’s impossible. Several of the issues you talked about at length were pretty much explicitly solved by the first phase of the MCU. Despite your insistence, they could and SHOULD narrow it down to just a handful of franchises. Give MOST of them (not all of them) solo movies to set up most of the main characters that would be in The Avengers. We’ve already got Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, and a bunch of supporting cast set up in just the Mario Movie, so it’s not like it would take that many distinct franchises added to make for a sizeable enough cast to make the first Smash movie. Some of them could be introduced in a different franchise’s movie. Hawkeye introduced in Thor? Sure, why not. Introduce Black Widow in The Avengers? Worked out great, certainly far better than the solo movie she eventually got. Game and Watch and Ice Climbers for example, really don’t need their own movie. They’re so simple you can just toss them in wherever and it should be fine as long as they don’t get main-character treatment. Some franchises should be left out entirely, even if they make a huge expansive sequel like Infinity War. Third-party rights are just way too complicated to make those characters a focus in the movie. As huge a Xenoblade fan as I am, I don’t think it could seriously be included in a satisfying way, so don’t try to force it. I’ll wait for the Xenoblade anime that’s never happening instead. Basically, the trick is to start small, and keep it simple until you have the resources and groundwork laid out to go bigger. If something is too complicated, or doesn’t mesh well, leave it out.
My friend actually sent me an essay on why the ncu wouldn’t work what are your opinions on it? “There are so many people who I’ve seen constantly saying that Nintendo needs to make a Zelda, Kirby, Metroid, and Star Fox movie. And some even legitimately think that there needs to be a Smash Bros movie. There are some video game movies that have done well financially like Detective Pikachu (even though that was a fluke because Ryan Renolds carried that movie). But there are a multitude of reasons why I think it would be impossible to make those movies good as opposed to the successful Mario and Sonic movies so let’s go down the list. Smash Bros: Let’s start off with the Smash Bros movie. This idea is just so beyond ridiculous that I don’t have anything to say about it. There was actually a comment on youtube I saw that perfectly summarized my feelings on this concept so I’ll just copy it here. “Jesus man, the amount of people I've seen thinking that an "NCU" and a Smash Bros movie would be good is shocking. Like, are you kidding me? That's a HORRIBLE idea! You have all these different characters from completely different self-contained universes with no recurring or cohesive themes, plots, or hell, even art styles, somehow being in one single cinematic universe for the purpose of a single movie where they beat the shit out of each other. It doesn't make any sense how someone could think that's a good plot. Not only does it disrespect the self-contained lore and story of each franchise involved, but if some writers did manage to come up with reasons for Nintendo characters to fight, it would be the most muddled, convoluted plot of any movie I can think of. It would be so haphazard and it doesn't make any sense. You know why that works as a non-canon fighting video game? Because as a video game, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE! It's just FUN to watch and play a game where a bunch of innocent Nintendo characters beat each other up. But once you add the element of story, you're already taking it too seriously to function. On that note, I guess I could settle for some kind of Smash Bros series of animated shorts, kinda like what Smash 4 had with its bonus movies. But a full-length feature film? That idea sucks ass.” Not to mention that in Subspace Emissary nobody actually talked in that and the whole thing was based on the characters being trophies which was a video game mechanic, I don't think it’s possible to incorporate any of that into a whole movie. I don’t need to say anymore on why this is such a bad idea. Star Fox: Next up is the Star Fox movie. In my opinion, this is actually the only movie that I think would work well. You have an established universe with characters that interact nicely with each other. I could see it being like a Guardians of the Galaxy style movie. However the Star Fox franchise is practically dead at this point (just like F-Zero) and I don’t see Nintendo wanting to revive it anytime soon so that immediately shoots that idea down. Kid Icarus: Another movie that could potentially work. Except that Nintendo doesn’t even care about this series so why in the world would they make a movie about it? And who would even be the villain? Hades?...Again? Fire Emblem: The Fire Emblem games are movies enough on their own. Nintendo doesn’t need to waste time making an actual one. Metroid: Now we have the Metroid movie. A lot of people want this one but they seem to be forgetting that the one game where Samus actually talked nobody liked (Other M). Even in Metroid Prime 3 where the bounty hunters were speaking to Samus, it always felt so awkward when she didn’t respond back in any way. And unless they want to watch a doom-like movie with Samus running around and shooting things for 2 to 3 hours, they probably shouldn’t be asking for it. Kirby: Now let’s address the idea of a Kirby movie. Most of the things I said about the Metroid movie apply here, except it’s even worse because none of the main characters usually talk (with a few exceptions). The only reason why “Kirby Right Back At Ya!” worked was because it was a TV show with a villain of the day. And if King Dedede wasn’t the main bad guy then they would need to explain why Kirby is running around brutally murdering waddle dees (which they never do). In the end it would take way too much work to make it watchable and it probably wouldn’t even be worth it. Legend of Zelda: And finally we come to the Legend of Zelda movie. This is the one that people won’t stop begging Nintendo to make. But nobody seems to be taking into account the fact that Nintendo would have to decide whether to use a past variation of Link for the movie or create an entirely new version like what they did for Hyrule Warriors. And another big problem would be including dungeons in the movie. In the Zelda manga, the dungeons were completely removed because trying to incorporate them into the manga would ruin the flow of the story. I am certain that this issue would remain the same for the movie. But unfortunately, if the dungeons were removed from the movie, all the old-school Zelda fans would get pissed and instantly hate all of it. Also Link speaking would be kinda cursed wouldn’t it? Instead of jumping to other Nintendo franchises, I think that they should spend more time expanding on the “Mario Cinematic Universe” and work on introducing more characters like Wario and Waluigi, Rosalina, and Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings. Imagine if Nintendo made a Donkey Kong movie where they bring King K. Rool into the Mario Universe and have him going up against the Kongs, it would probably be hilarious! Or what if they made a Luigi movie where he goes to Sarasaland on another adventure and meets Daisy for the first time? (I don’t want a Luigi’s Mansion movie because I don’t want video game movies that just copy and paste the entire plot of the games. That’s also what the Sonic movies had to avoid doing.) Nintendo has hit a goldmine with the Mario movie, and I think they should sit on it for at least a little longer before moving on to other things.”
i think a Kirby movie would only work if it did NOT focus on Kirby. A story that uses more in-depth characters the series does have (Magolor, Taranza, Susie, the three Mage-Sisters, hell even Meta Knight or King Dedede) would work a lot better.
I think this is also a symptom of a larger issue in the game industry. That folks see it as a lesser form of art than film. All this clamoring for a smash movie when smash itself already fufills what the appeal of a smash film is. But for some folks they see a movie as a step above, even if not really consciously and think that smash "NEEDS" a movie to... Well I'm not sure what purpose they'd think it serve. Plus all the intrinsic behind the scenes issues simply getting started on one would entail that you very wonderfully touch on. Point is, Nintendo is a game company first and foremost and they're the only one of the current big 3 first party publishers that still appreciate games as games and not as a wannabe film makers 2nd avenue. They got that Nintendo animation studio or whatever its called going on, but i doubt that's gonna be for whole ass feature films, most likely stuff in scale to what pokemon already does with its web series like generations, twilight wings, poketoon etc. At most maybe OVAs or small shows of the series that have the lore and world building potential to back it up like Star Fox, Kid Icarus, ARMS, Splatoon, Metroid. I only see them doing feature films for DK honestly (and of course Mario sequels introducing characters not in 1st film). Even Zelda i think would be better serviced as an animated series to really take it's time. And for the folks that go "it doesn't have to be a cinematic universe, just make a film with just the characters interacting" I say that would basically become what a lot of folks already criticize the Mario movie of being, as just a 90 minute Nintendo nerd reference fest. But it would actually be the case because smash doesn't have any substantial lore in itself to service a movie like you could do with Mario's 40 years of media and connected series. Smash is just a crossover for crossovers sake, with no attempt at really explaining any of the series its crossing over outside trophy descriptions. For general audiences, the MCU approach would be required but we already know the many obstacles that would keep that from happening. Its just a fun what if idea riding off the high of Mario's film.
Let me be clear, I do not want a Smash Brothers movie. For pretty much all the reasons listed in this video. However, once my friend asked how I would do it, cause we're both creatives. Despite me not wanting one, I threw together a pitch. - Give Movies or TV shows to the Original 8 (12 if we feel daring) from Smash 64. Simple enough there. - Smash Bros. Movie then. First Smash kept relatively simple with its narrative and crossover. - First 2/3 is seemingly a Tournament Arc, as Master Hand brings the Smash 64 group to HIS world (the World of Trophies?) to take part in a competition to see who is the best. In between bouts, you develop relationships between each character. Samus gets respect for Link, Falcon has a crush on Samus, Mario and Luigi form an odd friendship with Kirby, stuff like that. - Link and Samus think Master Hand has other plans in mind. They get the Mario Brothers to help investigate. Kirby maybe tags a long, despite not being asked to. - Later, in the Tournament Finals (which Mario is partaking in), Link and/or Samus discover the final details of Master Hand's plan. They try to get back to warn them, but are captured. - Mario or whoever his final opponent wins, but victory is short lived. The entire competition was to A) Learn about their abilites, B) Learn how they can be used against them via the fights C) Gauge how strong they are D) Something to that effect or whatever. He chose the Smash 64 cast as they had the greatest potential in the universes he scanned. - Master Hand's plan is to merge all realities into one and rule over it as a tyrant and force those he wants to fight for his amusement. - About half the cast are rushed by Master Hand's army and captured, while the rest escape. - The remaining venture towards Master Hand's lair to rescue everyone and save reality. Some setpieces are based on the Metal Mario fight, Race to Finish, and Battlefield from Smash 64. - Only a set few make it to Final Destination, while the others are held back to rescue others or hold back Master Hand's Army. I'd say maybe the final battle consists of Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby against Master Hand. - They win, Master Hand explodes, and the destruction of Final Destination destroys his Lair and sends everyone back to their own realities (but not before goodbyes) - Maybe a mid or post credits scene establishes Master Hand survived, or near death, and is revived by his brother Crazy Hand. If you were going to make a Smash Brothers movie, it needs to start small. Try doing something with an Ultimate ot even Melee sized roster, only a handful will probably get to do anything. That's another reason I feel and SB movie would be difficult. I agree with everything everyone has said against making a Smash movie. Above is just what I'd do if I had to make one. It's fun to speculate, but I doubt it will EVER happen, especially if film or show rights are split between multiple companies.
For me I always felt like the biggest argument against a smash movie happening is the realistic impossibility of it. We all know about the legal hassles for third party characters and such but for sake of this argument let's step down to not even Melee's but 64's roster. Let's go over all of the 12 characters and how likely they would be to get their own movies or even shows/how well they would perform to warrant inclusion in such a movie. Mario - No analysis needed Luigi - Luigi's Mansion would do quite well if it gets made, which is highly possible, though even then you can't have Mario without Luigi DK - Another major co-star in Mario's billion dollar movie (and with how prevalent his franchise's elements were I'd argue a DKC movie is inevitable), absolutely getting included Link - A Zelda movie would obviously be successful and rumors say one is already in pre-production, his inclusion is a no-brainer Samus - Metroid is really the last franchise represented in 64 that I feel could succeed (financially) as a movie, would be included if one gets made Yoshi - Not really popular enough to get his own movie but possibly his own silent comedy sort of thing like Angry Birds Toons, unsure of his inclusion Kirby - You'll hate me for this but I don't think he's popular enough for his own movie (though I personally would love to see Right Back At Ya! get a reboot), zunless his inclusion being his introduction to this supposed NCU is one of the selling points in the movie he won't be there Fox - Neither popular enough for a movie or a show, the more relevant Metroid sort of cannibalizes Star Fox's space appeal, likely not getting in Pikachu & Jigglypuff - Pokemon is obviously big enough for a movie, BUT licensing hassles due to the split ownership could prevent them from appearing C. Falcon - LOL Ness - Also LOL From this tally, the only characters from 64's basic roster we can for sure say will appear are Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, and POSSIBLY Samus and Yoshi. Kirby wouldn't be included if not made one of the selling points of the movie, and the Pokemon have issues of their own. The rest just aren't popular enough. If they want a "cinematic universe", pretty much every major character has to at least co-star in a major movie if they don't have their own, seeing as 64's roster would be the equivalent to the original Avengers if we're following Marvel's strategy, possibly barring Kirby. If in this movie, you can't even get more than half of 64's roster, what makes you think we'd get an adequate amount of characters from Melee and onwards? Even if you're willing to accept these cuts, the movie inherently fails as a Smash Bros. movie as it undermines the entire appeal of the franchise due to its minimal roster and the majority of whatever characters it has coming from Mario's universe and Zelda's. TL;DR: the flaw with a smash movie is that if a cinematic universe were to happen barely half of even 64's cast is popular enough to at least co-star in a major movie, and such a movie fails as a smash movie if all of these cuts have to be made
Ok I would love a smash movie but it’s definently unlikely because of copyright for example Mario, Luigi, Bowser, donkey Kong, peach: Ilumination and universal Sonic The Hedgehog: Paramount pictures Pikachu, Charizard, Pokemon trainer, squirtle, Greninja etc And plus the upcoming mega man, minecraft, Pac-Man and metal gear solid movies Ofc but i don’t think it would happen honestly sadly
I mean, they can do separated film on several IPs, not connected at all, not even need to keep the same artstyle, and then, make a Smash Movie, connecting all their previous movies in one with one specific artsyle for the whole movie and every character adapted to this artstyle. They can make a Smash movie without making a cinematic universe
I allways though that an argumental idea they could use for an Smash Movie could be that Crazy/Master Hand could be some kind of God of Chaos who in a bizarre fashion, he brings the nintendo characters opening different dimensional portals, then the rest is story
While I think at least a "Nintendo Cinematic Universe" could work it certainly is premature to talk about it since you need at least one movie for a couple of series just like every other "cinematic universe" did so yeah, I absolutely agree that even if it were in Nintendo's plans it would take a decade if not more before it could happen (and no, Detective Pikachu and the Sonic movies don't count, they wouldn't fit because they're way too different). And regardless I'd also take standalone movies for other Nintendo franchises first, thanks!
Not to mention all the voice work needed to do it. Like are we using new actors or the ones in the game. Like I don’t think people would accept an American VA for Shulk or the mess that is going to be Link’s VA.
@@sonicfanboy3375 so what? The main cast should be just the Nintendo characters, maybe with Sonic. And 3rd parties would be more Easter eggs. Wreck it Ralph and Ready Player One had many characters from third parties.
@@INFERNO95 you don't like to think, do you? The Mario movie just did one billion, Smash is going to do a least the same. Your argument is completely irrelevant, I never said Smash would be as big as Avengers, I just said Avengers is an example that crossover films can work. Also, Pokémon is much more popular than any Marvel character.
I honestly don't think a Smash movie would work, there's just too many characters and imagine all the voice actors they would have to get for it! But at the very least I think there should be future movies based on other Nintendo franchises. I just hope Nintendo doesn't only have Illumination work on them, I'd be ok with them handling Kirby or Pikmin maybe but I don't think I trust Zelda, Metroid or even Star Fox with them-
Marvel planning the whole first 3 phases from the beginning was great and should teach a lesson on how to start from the beginning with the end in mind, but indirectly made lots of harm sure to companies not understanding why it did work in the first place, like, is clearly a really hard thing to do and marvel didn't succeed first try because they initially practiced with the comics which were adapted, Nintendo attempting it with no previous practice would just became a painful failure
A smash bros universe can work as it’s own universe, where all these characters from different universes are sent to this one universe by some otherworldly presence who will be the main villain, and the villian will hire bowser, ganondorf, and maybe another villian to collect the hero’s and eventually the villains will work with the hero to destroy the villian. This is all basically subspace emissary but with extra details, and I think that could work if they did it
It doesn't need to be a cinematic universe, but a simple one off movie or movies is fine, subspace worked and that's all it needs to be. I disagree that it can't be done well. What needs to happen is not to overcomplicate shit, don't fire off why all these verses cross, just have it being something simple like toys come to life and leave it at that and it all can be set under the same tone so it's not issue. Subspace works BECAUSE it's divorced from all events in the universe. Just do that and make 1 to 2 movies without feeling need to make up all this lore and do all this extra crap to poorly justify a loosely connected universe.
I think another issue might be that some people are beginning to misuse the term "cinamtic universe" or "shared universe" to describe any film franchise or sub-genre of movies, regardless if they have any crossover event like the Avengers or not. There were times where I heard someone call all the Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean movies a cinamtic universe. I think there's a difference between what is a cinamtic universe and what is just a trilogy or quadrillogy or film *series.*
A super smash bros movie could be eh. It could be actually good but it definitley could be a huge mess. Even if it was a shared universe and that's a huge no for me. Not everything needs to be a shared universe. I think a smash bros could (maybe) work, if it is a standalone movie.
I don't need a smash movie but I would be upset if there's no crossover nintendo film of some sort. If Bowser and Ganon team up for a movie event people would be hype, I know I would be. Or give us a Metroid meets Star Fox movie after both get their own films. No need for a smash end game, but crossovers are my jam.
A lot of people seem to be on the same boat that Smash Bros. won't work as a movie. I personally don't agree with that. I'm being a complete contrarian when I say this, I understand, but I'm generally a contrarian most of the time anyway. People gave the MCU a fair shot, even though not all the films were great. I feel everyone should do the same for a potential Smash Bros film, or even a series through Netflix or Paramount Plus, something like that if making the whole series into a film is too much work. I think everyone is already forgetting that a lot of people didn't want the recent Mario Bros film to be made, because Illumination was going to handle it, and because Chris Pratt was voicing Mario. Well, the film has been out for several weeks, it did surprisingly well, so that means possible film and series based on other properties by Nintendo will be made in the future. And I can only guess that all those people who didn't want the film to be made are bawling their goddamn eyes out, and feeling like idiots. I know the movie has its fair share of skeptics, but that happens with every film that comes out, good OR bad. It kind of scares me that some people really wanted this particular movie to fail, and are just mad because of it having as much success as it got. I want it to be made especially clear that I love the Smash Bros series, except maybe 4, I don't think that one was very good personally. I'm being especially hard on those who don't think Smash Bros could work as a crossover film, but... I think it can. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Don't be so fucking quick to judge. I know most of you can't help it, but I feel it can be done. It's just a matter of if it can be done well enough, but I already think it can, in the right hands.
Getting them to fit together in one world would be insanely easy. All they have to do is make it so that each Nintendo franchise is set in its own universe however those universes connect to each other via green warp pipes
Why always movies? Why not tv series? I would be hype for an alternate telling of FE 3 houses/hope story through an animated series. Or a series following up the event of HW age of calamity. (We got Pokémon, kirby and sonic already doing it fine)
I honestly don’t know whether people are thinking way too hard about it or not hard enough. If a Smash movie DOES happen, who said it has to be EXACTLY like Marvel? A shared universe, a movie dedicated to every single character and/or character development. Not even the Super Mario Bros movie cared about character development too much. Screw it, there’s a laundry list of unused Marvel heroes and villains so why do you think the Smash Ultimate roster is all vital too? I’m perfectly fine with a Smash movie in the style of Who Framed Roger Rabbit or The Lego movie where it’s indeed a crossover but they know you know these characters already, all these major characters coexisting yet not being main characters does not matter at all. Heck, we’re you expecting Batman in the Lego Movie to be the same one from The Dark Knight? Honestly, if Nintendo ever did express desire to start the project, I would feel confident they would at least have an idea in mind
Only MCU that needs to be established is the Mario Cinematic Universe, that’s all I’m looking forward to since the Mario Movie hit $1B in the Box Office.
I can only see two ways how It could work. Either it's like The Lego movie but with amiibo coming to life with the CGI team that makes the trailers. Or it doesn't have any third party characters, or second party. Which removes Pokémon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Kirby, Earthbound, etc. At that point, there is no point.
I don’t know about a Smash Bros. Movie, either, but I would absolutely love to see an Earthbound anime movie. Not only does that have a ton of potential, it would give Earthbound the second chance that franchise really deserves.
Even if this would take a long time to actually work, I honestly am all for the wait. Call it insane but, I legitimately think these things can work with a lot of time. People are trying to Rush perfect. Rome wasn’t built in a day, let alone a year. 8-10 years from now, I definitely see a smash movie at least being developed.
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The only thing that would make it work is giving it the Captain N angle; by that, I mean having to teleport to different worlds, from the Mushroom Kingdom to Planet Zebes, or even Hyrule. It would make for a better "Spider-verse" style movie than Spider-verse itself, because the amount of familiar characters outweigh the obscure.
The difference between the Marvel Cinematic Universe and a potential Smash Cinematic Universe is that the Marvel characters always inhabited the same world, even in the comics, but the Smash characters are really only together because it makes a cool crossover fighter, that’s why a Smash Cinematic Universe would be hard to pull of
I think you could kind of solve this issue
Mario and link live in the same Universe to me so many references to mario In LOZ
Samus and Star fox are mainly in space so you don't know if they are in the aren't in the same universe too
Kirby is in another planet though the forgotten land shows earth is abandoned so maybe it might he another dimension
Punchout is in the same universe
Sonic, megaman, fire emblem, probably Xenoblade and Splatoon are in another universe
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Even then, the tones of the different universe might clash too much
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 missions in kirby's dream land 3 involve fire flowers, metroids and samus so kirby may share a universe with both metroid and mario.
@@IcyDiamond That was one of my problems with MCU they clash way too much
@@thelegendarymarioman8461 Eh, I feel like the genres are similar enough that having Dr. Strange next to the Guardians isn’t that weird, at least to me
Remember back in the day when every movie was allowed to be a standalone film and didn’t need to connect to a massive universe in order to work?
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Don't say stupid things.
We literally only have one of those
@@Antasma1 there's also the Monsterverse, but those release far enough apart that we forget it's a cinematic universe.
Edit: I almost forgot the Universal Monsters! They have the first cinematic universe ever and it involved Abbott & Costello!
@@Antasma1 Sequels also show up too often nowadays, every good film ends up getting a spinoff nobody asked for and so on
I personally prefer Smash Bros as short films and instead of as a feature length film
Exactly. You can just put them in the same style of the CG scenarios that happen within the character reveal trailers of Smash 4 and Ultimate or in the style of Subspace and World of Light’s cutscenes for example but more expanded upon and that can work fine.
What about a TV show? I think that'd be interesting.
@@joeprovo3627 oh that'll also be a great idea!
People are forgetting the Super Smash Bros franchise was originally about a child playing with his favorite video game characters and making them duel, at one point even using his own hand as a fun boss battle.
I think a Smash movie could work if they stuck with the 12 originals from Smash 64, but they would obviously need to expand on each franchise individually first. The majority of the characters could use the Warp Zone to become stranded; you could even go the extra mile and make the entrance pipe look like something from that character's world. Star Fox and F-Zero could be easy, considering they take place in space. However, this would only work in my opinion if EACH character works up their own franchise separately.
Also, I forgot to mention lol.
Illumination actually has a new internal label called Moonlight, which is for movies tailored to more mature audiences. I'm not saying Nintendo will consider it, but I think it's worth a mention.
They should honestly make it a Who Framed Roger Rabbid or Lego movie esc. crossover
Make them get lured by master hand and so that it is easier for him to take over the smash worlds
Don’t forget that it would be a legal nightmare to make a Smash movie as well. Mario is made by Universal, Detective Pikachu is done by Warner Bros., and Sonic is done by Paramount. Given that different companies are involved in those movies, it would cost way too much money for that to happen and given that it would involve other 3rd parties, this whole thing would be a financial nightmare to make this happen. Plus, how would some franchises like Animal Crossing, Duck Hunt or even Wii Fit or the Miis would even work in a cinematic universe? That can be one possible reason why a Smash Cinematic Universe is a BAD idea.
To have the Mario movie is a blessing to have a ncu or Smash Bros. movie is a wish. Let's give the Mario movie universe time to develop before we dive into the future.
Why is it a wish? Is it because you grew up with MCU
The MCU was nothing more than a fluke and I wish people stop advocating for other companies to follow suit.
Also, how the hell is a Smash Bros movie going to work?
Smash isn't canon.
Smash takes place in a child's imagination during playtime because those are toys and not the real characters.
That's just Toy Story.
Why spend several million dollars to build on that?
@@URFTBOUND4LIFEyou say that as if Smash isn't super popular. Also, is that not just a theory? Even if it is canon, I see literally no problems with it.
I can definitely see Smash Bros work as standalone TV series or comic book series, since you have way more freedom to develop and flesh out characters, experiment with different dynamics, and create unique scenarios that never exploded in the games.
I believe this quote from Jurassic Park sums up the people who want a Smash movie.
"You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could that you didn't stop to think if you should."
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A Smash movie sounds hype for like a minute before you run through the multiple logistical issues it would have to go through for what people have in mind. Smash is fine not because it's a shared universe but because it's a non cannon crossover with no story whatsoever. I love Subspace not because it shows off what a Smash movie could look like but because it's just cool to see fun character interactions like Samus and Pikachu. It's narrative, characters and plot feel loosely glued together but we excuse it because it's just cool. I don't want a half baked shared universe that was barely thought out just for the sake of it "being cool" with nothing else to back it up. I want different Nintendo characters to get shows and movies and the like but they can just be separate. It's like Marvel has poisoned our brain to think things should always be connected even though it's the only one who did it properly. Not to mention we could still have a cinematic universe with Mario and the like 4 other characters with entire side series that are still connected under that umbrella. It just feels entirely too early to even concieve this as an idea, let alone think it's a good one.
A Super Smash Bros. TV Show with one season for each of the 5 Super Smash Bros. Video Games would be a better idea.
The ArrowVerse basically did exactly that. So, realistically, Nintendo should take inspiration from the ArrowVerse specifically.
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Personally, I would have liked it. If they do it in a slice of life, I mean yes, have the battles definitely have the battles. But. Also, just have characters in your Interact each other. With crazy Shenanigans, have a friend
Like characters from the future. Interacting the older tech
People are from medieval times interacting with technology and general. Maybe more insight on certain characters. Like, say Mario?
Or Ness
@@WaterMeLoan64 A Captain N Reboot would be cool. It'd be like if you combine the nostalgia factor of Smash Bros. with the meta humor of those Kid Icarus cartoons on the 3DS. But unlike the original Captain N, the characters are more well-researched; for example, Mega Man would be depicted as an android child that talks like Aang from Avatar, Pit would be Nintendo's equivalent of Finn from Adventure Time, and Simon Belmont would totally be Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I did imagine that, with it being animated in the Studio Ghibli style.
@@Tubular69420no. Just no. And dot.
In fact, Schaffrillas Productions made a video about why a Smash Bros movie can’t work.
Yeah, he beat me to the punch on this one
@@SuperMarioT Yes, yes he did. But your explanation is better. Don't tell him I said that 😉
@@devinsauls3568 I agree Super Mario T explanation is a lot better.
@@INFERNO95 News travel fast
Ya people gotta slow down, the Mario movie literally just came out we still have yet to know what’s coming next and the fact people are jumping onto Smash bros imminently is concerning. Also Illumination cannot make a Zelda or Metroid movie work since they have much more mature tones than they’re movies ever had.
I just want a Donkey Kong Country movie for now
Hey, I said this in the video too 😃
@@SuperMarioT yup I know sorry for restating 😥
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The only way i can see a smash bros movie happening is if its an entirely separate canon from all these properties
To be honest, I think such a crossover could work as an episodic series; without any continuity or story arcs, you wouldn't have to worry too much about establishing the characters before they meet one another.
It'd still be a licensing nightmare, though.
In order for a Smash Bros. Movie to work, you'd need to establish the other characters and their universes, and even if we keep it to the original 12...that's still so many characters to focus on. It would be a very long ways away from where we are now, and I also feel the workload to even make this happen would be to incredibly stessful and time consuming, and that's on top of making sure it's of good quality as well
Well they’ve already established 3 of the original 12, the other not so relevant characters can be worked into the film. Pokémon is already well known and popular so it wouldn’t need a movie. Really you just need 3 movies, a Kirby film, and Zelda film, and a Metroid film. These alone are enough to bring in a crossover.
@matwitch8872 there is something in Smash Brawl first trailer, the artstyle change, so do it again as a refarence, like make them as animatied, but in new style for everyone
In my opinion a super smash bros movie could possibly work if it is a standalone movie.
If it is a shared universe then it's gonna be huge mess, i could just tell.
Plus i don't really see it working because lots of videogame movies we know were made by different movie company's.
Mario is illumination, sonic is paramount, detective pikachu is warner bros, the upcoming street fighter movie is being made by legendary etc and on top of that, mario is animated meanwhile sonic & detective pikachu are live action.
Brawl First trailer art style change
We already have films like Wreck it Ralph, Pixels and Ready Player One
We don’t need a Super Smash Bros movie
plus not to mention that's just milking it to.
I think the main problem with a smash bros movie would be the IP They might eventually have to add sonic And other characters that aren't nintendo characters
Even if Nintendo doesn't make a series of movies building up to Super Smash Bros, they can still win by playing it safe and just sticking to Mario. There's so much that one franchise has to offer. I can see them making spin-off movies with Luigi and Donkey Kong. I can definitely see Luigi's Mansion happening. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised that development on a Luigi movie happened shortly after Mario.
But if they did make a Smash Bros movie, it probably won't feature the likes of Sonic, Mega Man, etc. It would probably be about the Smash 64 roster, or one half of them. I can see the initial team consisting of Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, Samus and Kirby with Captain Falcon being Nintendo's Nick Fury.
The issue with this a Smash Bros movie/Nintendo Cinematic Universe is that you can only use like 6 Nintendo franchises. Mario, Zelda, Metriod, DK, Pokemon, and Kirby. The other Nintendo franchises don't have that mainstream popularity or universal appeal in order to benefit from a big theatrical movie plus most of them can't really transition into movies. Maybe Star Fox can work, but the series is basically on life support. Series like Xenoblade, Fire Emblem, Kid Icurus, Star Fox, F-Zero, Mother, Arms, Punch Out, Splatoon, etc only work as video games. Plus if you want 3rd party characters that's another issue.
Could be niche franchises for anime
Metroid doesn’t have mainstream appeal. Especially if you’re going to claim Splatoon doesn’t when Splatoon 2 sold over 13 million with Splatoon 3 at 10 million. The best selling Metroid has only did 3 million.
@@Ramona122003 A game series can sell a shitton of units but still not be "mainstream" if that makes sense. An example would be Dungeon and Fighter Online. One of the most successful online games ever, if not the most, and one of the highest grossing franchises ever. But I think it's safe to say that you never heard of it before this comment. I barely even heard of it before the fighting game spin off got announced. That kind of thing is what I mean.
I wouldn't call Splatoon mainstream like that. It's big among Nintendo fans of course and it certainly has the potential to be over time alongside others like ARMS which also sold a good bit as new IPs. I mean look how long it took for animal crossing to finally solidify itself as mainstream despite also always selling a bunch. But I don't see much of a push for it to get to that level by Nintendo atm. There are no spin offs, no push for outside media beyond that little manga. There WAS the competitive scene, which had a good thing going from what i saw but idk what the status between them and Nintendo is rn. Though as competitive communities do, they push on with or without the N, same as smash and ARMS (though ARMS seems the best treated by Nintendo in this regard since part of its creation was to serve that purpose). Fans online see an Inkling on some Nintendo themed web page next to Mario and Link or whatever and start going "aye yo, Splatoon's Zelda tier franchise" but they gotta chill out a bit lol. It can get there but I don't really see the drive from Nintendo to do much beyond just making the core games every few years, and even then i wonder how long they can keep up the formula when as early as the 2nd game they got met with "this is just previous game with different weapons" (not that I'm one of those people).
Anyway, all that being said, Metroid definitely isn't close mainstream either, you're right lol. It's good that its getting love, and its definitely an iconic franchise of Nintendo's and gaming, but i think that's the issue here. There's being influential for gaming and then there's being MAINSTREAM huge. Now i respect Metroid a lot cause of how influential it is, but it's just funny to see how much of a difference there is between Nintendo fan's views of how mainstream the series is compared to how everyone outside sees it.
Edit; also it's fine to be relatively niche at the end of the day. Not every IP has to get to even Zelda or Kirby's level. Relative niche status means less likely to have things you liked about the series having 50/50 shot of getting ruined for "general appeal". More realistic performance expectations financially. Maybe a much less annoying fanbase than if you were huge lol.
@@MagillanicaLouM My pushed back is that the Splatoon series is very much mainstream in Japan. They have pop concerts, a ton of merch, and was the second biggest opening ever in Japan beating only by Pokemon S/V. You also can't really compared Splatoon to ARMS since ARMS sold between 1-2 million while Splatoon 1 sold 6 million on the Wii U. I would also argue that Animal Crossing reached mainstream by at least New Leaf, especially in Japan since Animal Crossing has a movie that never left Japan.
@@Ramona122003 My thing is again, sales don't aren't the be all. With animal crossing, nearly every game has sold about as well or better than splatoon has and a movie but we can agree that it took until at least the last couple games to reach the status it has. The concerts are a nice aspect in favor for Splatoon but idk how successful or frequent those are. I can name other game series that have Japan only concerts that are far more mainstream to the culture than Splatoon but definitely don't sell as many game units, like Sakura Wars for example and that series definitely has way more than those concerts and some merch going on such as multiple anime/OVA series, stage plays, A LOT of spin offs, it's own movie, mangas, light novels the absolute units they get to voice these characters and even do stage performances back in the day. And that series had a 15 year hiatus to boot.
But the concert thing is still definitely a step for Sploon's potential which goes back to what i said, and why I included ARMS in that aspect as they fill similar roles in their overall appeal and places in their genres that can lead to them over time becoming sorta like the mario karts of their genres and eventually gain that kind of pop culture impact, especially in Japan, (I finally got a switch this year and a lot of the time when I hop on ARMS online I'm swarmed by numerous Japanese players with somehow pretty decent connections more often than not, dunno how they pulled that off lol) and unlike mario kart they also have the bonus of (at least intentionally cultivated by Nintendo themselves) competitive communities as a cherry on top. I just think Nintendo has to push more for them and other new IPs. Shit, I'd throw RingFit in that discussion too thinking about it. Minus the competitive stuff though that'd be funny to see. Though for different reasons like the ever growing fitness craze around the world in general and the wii fit appeal that made that series breach into the actual mainstream in its own way.
Yeah, there's almost no way it could work.
Even later Avengers movies start to strain under their own weight, or really only "focus" on a handful of their characters.
SSE just...like, I get there's nostalgia for it, but the story isn't really that good. What you really have is some funny character moments (Luigi being afraid of Waddle Dees, Peach and Zelda teatime, etc). But the actual "story"...the characters aren't even really the characters. "Mario" isn't Mario. He's sorta an automaton that emulates Mario's behavior. And that applies to every character.
Like, Marth. How is Marth introduced into the story? He's guarding an empty, generic castle, in the middle of nowhere, from nothing, when the Subspace Army randomly shows up. The world has this dead emptiness to it because they decided to have it take place in the "World of Trophies" instead of an actual crossover deal. So Marth isn't protecting his friends or kingdom or anything, he's just guarding a castle but that seems like a thing an FE character might do. Even Bowser and Ganondorf are just "evil" in a generic way. Ganondorf was serving the Master Hand because....why? That's not something Ganondorf would do.
And like, I can't even blame them for this, really. Brawl had like 35 characters depending on how you count, so there would be no way to balance things out properly. You could, at best, maybe make a completely separate, story-focused Smash project and get somewhere around there, but probably not.
Same with people who complain about World of Light. I don't even remember how many characters Smash Ultimate had at launch. 60? 70? SSE barely had a story. There'd be no way to execute a proper story in World of Light with almost double the characters, and to be honest, it wouldn't be a good use of resources anyway. If I could've gotten like 5 more characters in Brawl, I probably would have cut SSE or at least gone for something more the size of Melee's adventure.
But all this applies even more to a movie. You have at most a 2 hour window to mash these worlds together and have some sort of endgame. I just don't see how you do that.
Here's my question; do we *need* a solo movie for each franchise to have a smash movie? Like I genuinely cannot see a game and watch solo movie, but to not have him in the smash movie feels like a crime.
So I think that's the #1 issue I have with this take, the idea that each franchise needs its own solo movie beforehand.
I think having them would be cool, but I also think that the idea of having the smash movie based *directly* on the individual movies coming out right now is unrealistic, I can agree with that.
You hit it right on the head. Starting with the studio thing, let's say Illumination's in charge of a Smash movie. Everyone involved in that project would cry themselves to sleep with how hard it will be with or without proper planning. Same goes to any other studio that wants a crack at it.
2nd the story issue. I don't see it if they do it stand alone. But like you said, that has a general audience problem so it won't be a huge deal to them.
Finally, the shared universe of Nintendo will never happen. The only way it would happen is if Chris Meledandri convinced Nintendo that it's a good idea when he became an outside director on their board. Otherwise, not happening for the reasons you stated.
In conclusion, to me it's not a matter of if a Smash Bros Movie will happen, it's when. If they pump it out within the decade it'll be a bad time, if not we should give it a shot.
Also side note, an Illumination Punch Out movie would go crazy, as well as them helming Pikmin.
Whatever studio made those Kid Icarus animated Smash trailers need to be hired for a full on solo project using that style.
I blame Marvel for this phenomenon 😒
Nah, blame Nintendo for making smash bros.
@@LifenKnight But Marvel popularized cinematic universes while Nintendo popularized crossovers. Not the same thing
@@devinsauls3568 They put them together already, I always wanted to see them together more.
ever since they did the animated trailer i wanted a smash bros Anime.
If Doubt everybody would be on the same page if Smashs brawl didn't have a story mode which involved all of the characters interacting them they did.
Palutena Trailer solo made me want an anime in that style.
People just want product, and it doesn't sound like a bad idea.
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Crossover Movie isn't the same as Cinematic Universe.
They just need to be together once, it Shouldn't be canon to any of their stories.
Its basically a 'what if' Movie.
@@LifenKnight People are asking for a Super Smash Bros Movie, not an Anime which is a bad idea in practice and execution. The difference between a crossover and cinematic universe is crossover can happen with little rhyme or reason while a cinematic universe is connected within the same world along with a set up or foreshadowing. Besides what connection Mario have with Metroid, Kirby, The Legend of Zelda, Star Fox, and Pokemon aside from Nintendo?
@@devinsauls3568 1: my main point is that people wanted this before the avengers came out.
2: There connect is smash bros
3: Wait why would have an anime be a bad idea?
Their trailers alone show they got do it.
Sakurai will never let anyone touch his baby.
It's also very funny how people don't realize how sonic is just owned by a completely different company and how little contribution he has in smash, only reason why he's plastered in the box art and ads is just because of the recognizability of sonic and how iconic he is it'd be stupid not put him in the front cover
If Shigery mijamoto was able to get Sora From DISNEY, than Sonic From S.E.G.A for the movie is no problem
Smash Bros isn't cannon so it doesn't make sense to build on several movie franchises.
Also the premise of Smash Bros, doesn't really work as a stand alone film.
Smash Bros is just "playtime" for a small child and those are toys and not the real characters (hence why they turn into figurines at the end of the game) .
What y'all asking for is a Nintendo version of Toy Story. And nobody is going to be that excited besides Nintendo diehards.
Mario is a standalone character and it did well because the Mario brand broke the mainstream to the point of being recognized by casual and non gamers. The Mario movie doing as well as it did probably was a fluke as well.
3:59 The ONLY way I can see them bringing Ben Schwartz's Sonic in a fully animated Smash Bros. Movie is if Sonic was animated instead of using CGI when he gets teleported there by Master Hand or whatever. If not by Master Hand, then by teleporting there via portal ring. Like Tails can receive a strange energy reading from another dimension on his Miles Electric or something. (Edit: for the others, I have no clue)
As someone who's seen Schafrillas' video on this exact same topic a few days ago, I reluctantly agree because when you REALLY think about it, it's basically a hellscape of a triathlon of creative thinking on all fronts of this idea. But I gotta ask, what if Smash Bros. didn't have to be a movie? What if it can be something else like a TV adaption? Not everything needs to be a damn cinematic universe. Look what happened when X-Men, DC, Dark Universe, and even Transformers did when cashing in on that idea.
Instead of demanding a Smash Bros. cinematic universe, we should instead be demanding Nintendo to actually make a competent Story Mode for the next Smash game that isn't just a interactive Spirit Board menu screen laid out like a platformer world map. Only if a compelling and entertaining plot can be accomplished there first can a Smash cinematic universe be seriously humored, and even then it would still probably not be a good idea.
16:24 umm aktually dedede gets a redemption arc 🤓
15:52 - 18:42 I fully agree with this segment. The whole narrative of Subspace Emisarry is something that I would not like to see as a film to be honest.
In general, a Smash movie would be nearly impossible to work very well. I'm glad it's staying as a video game.
I actually agree, I'm thinking about making a video about the topic as well
People seem to forget that a "cinematic universe" isn't just the only thing, it's moved on to being about the MULTIVERSE
There's no need for them to all take place in a singular universe anymore just so casuals understand it
There's ZERO chance Detective Pikachu, the current Sonic films or ANY live action movies being in a multiverse built off the Mario movie
Also they're OBVIOUSLY not going to start with a "brawl" or "Ultimate" movie, they're starting with 64, exclusively Nintendo characters less than 20 if they use Master Hand exclusively as the villain not pulling the ones from their franchises, some of which wouldn't need to have complicated character set ups like Yoshi and the Pokemon, some already having had their own movies to set them up (Mario, potentially Luigi and DK, Link, Samus, and Kirby) that really only leaves Fox, Ness and Captain Falcon out of the original 12 that would need investment and that's if they don't swap them out for other more relevant franchises like Fire Emblem, Splatoon and Animal Crossing and those all get their own franchise films *before* going into Smash, Marvel didn't bother giving Hawkeye or Black Widow their own movies, so why would Nintendo NEED to give their smaller less relevant franchises their own movies?
And considering they didn't bother to explain how things work in the Mario universe in the Mario Movie why do people think they need to do that for a Smash movie and not just have it be a FUN spectacle
Why do people believe that the film HAS to be structured like the games and can't be altered to better fit a film format? And that they CAN'T take the TIME to actually do it?
Smash isn't non-canon to ALL the series, at minimum it's Canon to Kirby, Kid Icarus, and Bayonetta
A single shared universe of JUST movies would not work 100% but there's nothing stopping them from being a multiverse adapting longer from series into shows rather than films
i really don't understand why people even want it tbh
to me the only way such a thing could possibly work would be if it focused on the toy aspect and the kind of related themes with like taboo and what have you but it wouldn't be the same versions of the characters as other movies and it would be probably a bit too similar to like the lego movie in concept perhaps
Yeah, we're not in a hurry for any sort of Nintendo crossover movie, especially with Marvel and DC gave that concept a really long beard.
Ok, but what if the main villain of the smash bros movie is Waluigi?
You do provide really good points on why a Smash Bros. movie seems unlikely with all the different asthetics of franchises represented and legal troubles with third party franchises, but how do you feel if I make a fan-made Smash Bros.-esque crossover movie that takes elements from SMBZ and Subspace Emissary that will be flash animated using sprites from various games?
My idea for one is simply don't make it a cinematic UNIVERSE. Make it a cinematic MULTIVERSE.
Look, these characters and franchises don't exist in the same universe at all, but having them tied together via a vast multiverse would still connect them in some way, while also keeping them self-contained to their own worlds, characters, and stories, giving us those good, quality standalone films without actually having them rely on being connected in some way. And then for a Smash Movie, you could have Master Hand do some multiversal shenanigans that pull the OG 8 fighters out of their home universes (after they all get established movies first, of course) and cause them to briefly meet up with each other and have to fight a giant glove.
And then after that, you could just keep doing what you did. Once the OG 8 return to their home universes after the first Smash movie, just stick to their classic standalone adventures without the other franchises impacting them. Introduce more franchises like Fire Emblem, Animal Crossing, Splatoon, etc. down the line. And if you want more Smash movies, just make them take place in the World of Trophies from the actual Smash games. Maybe at the end of the first one, Master Hand creates an alternate universe where all of the characters across the multiverse co-exist as trophies that fight each other, so that way we could still get a big crossover title that's _also_ standalone from the other franchises.
TLDR; a Smash movie or a Nintendo Cinematic Universe (or Multiverse, as I propose) *_could_* actually work. You'd just need to plan it out really well and ensure that it's set up properly to result in a good quality.
Fr, idk why everyone acts like it can't work, it's really not that hard
This is exactly how it will be able to work. I hope they do it this way so all the nay sayers can cry and rage about it lmfao
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Maybe their could be a IP that can act as ambassadors to try to keep the peace between each Nintendo world.
That'd be Kirby
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I can see that be a fair example but what about those that are vocal?
Subspace Emirssary and World of Light those two story modes are now going to be the parts of the Super Smash Bros Movie
Instead of a connected nintendo universe I’d rather have a nintendo studios that just makes lots of good movies that aren’t connected. mario bros 2, donkey kong, luigis mansion, pikmin, kid icarus. Zelda Anime anyone? I don’t need to see mario meet link. I’d rather them have their own great movies
itd honestly be better as a tv show
Ah great, i was just about to sleep
I feel the only way a smash adaptation would work is a series, be a multiverse story, and have 2-3 episodes arc to establish each franchise's characters, that way, the problem of mixing these franchises wouldn't contradict itself or create potential plotholes.
for examples: the sonic movie explains that there are like nine different planets, but if either a metroid/starfox movie that is set in the same universe, says there are 16 planets, wouldn't they contradict each other?
Em, you had me in first halv, but you lost me in second
Mario in games: Is a italian guy
Mario in movie: is a brooklyn guy
You know that they can just CHANGE some things for the movie, right?
The voice actors of Smash 4 and Smash Ultimate they are going to be the same
22:22 I will say that I don't think Ash Ketchum or the Ultra Guardians from the Pokemon Sun and Moon anime should join in on this nexus event if that were to happen. Just because it will be too much of a convoluted story. The same goes with Detective Pikachu. Netflix or Legendary, please make more live action Pokemon stuff NOT PERTAINING/OUTSIDE of Ryan Reynold's Detective Pikachu.
Why does everyone forget the original cinematic universe? Universal monsters. Not that Tom Cruise shit. The original 30s and 40s universe.
I think it would be possible... For Smash 64. Doing one on Ultimate would be ridiculous.
That being said, they've proven they can make a cohesive story through Brawl's Subspace Emissary, and they didn't hardly use any voiced lines.
So it's kinda a mixed bag for me.
I agree, I feel Nintendo and Universal should just focus on a sequel to the Super Mario Bros. movie, a Donkey Kong movie, The Legend of Zelda movie, the Luigi's Mansion movie, Star Fox, Metroid, ECT, the Super Smash Bros. movie will not work because of how Paramount has the rights to make the Sonic movies, Warner Bros. Discovery has the rights to make Pokémon movies (mostly Detective Pikachu) and who know where Metal Gear, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Street Fighter, Final Fantasy, Bayonetta, Castlevania, Persona, Dragon Quest, Banjo-Kazooie, the King of Fighters, Minecraft and Tekken will go to for movies.
But the biggest issues is with Disney, Disney owns the rights to Kingdom Hearts and the characters who are in Kingdom Hearts (minus the Final Fantasy and the World ends with You characters) Disney see Universal and Paramount as competitors when Walt Disney Himself found the Walt Disney Pictures and left Universal BC of Oswald the Lucky Rabbit (I know Disney owns Oswald new a days since 2006 but I don't want to go down that Rabbit hole,) not to mention how both Disney and Universal has theme parks resorts
Nintendo and Universal would have to go though legal though legal troubles to get the rights to third party characters and Sora for the Super Smash Bros. movie, I'd rather if Nintendo just focus make stand alone pictures for their IPs with Universal and have T.V. shows on Netflix and partner with IDW Publishing for the Super Mario comics and Dark Horse Comics for The Legend of Zelda, Metroid and Star Fox comics.
I’m not saying that a Smash movie is likely to ever happen, but I disagree that it’s impossible. Several of the issues you talked about at length were pretty much explicitly solved by the first phase of the MCU. Despite your insistence, they could and SHOULD narrow it down to just a handful of franchises. Give MOST of them (not all of them) solo movies to set up most of the main characters that would be in The Avengers. We’ve already got Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, DK, and a bunch of supporting cast set up in just the Mario Movie, so it’s not like it would take that many distinct franchises added to make for a sizeable enough cast to make the first Smash movie.
Some of them could be introduced in a different franchise’s movie. Hawkeye introduced in Thor? Sure, why not. Introduce Black Widow in The Avengers? Worked out great, certainly far better than the solo movie she eventually got. Game and Watch and Ice Climbers for example, really don’t need their own movie. They’re so simple you can just toss them in wherever and it should be fine as long as they don’t get main-character treatment.
Some franchises should be left out entirely, even if they make a huge expansive sequel like Infinity War. Third-party rights are just way too complicated to make those characters a focus in the movie. As huge a Xenoblade fan as I am, I don’t think it could seriously be included in a satisfying way, so don’t try to force it. I’ll wait for the Xenoblade anime that’s never happening instead.
Basically, the trick is to start small, and keep it simple until you have the resources and groundwork laid out to go bigger. If something is too complicated, or doesn’t mesh well, leave it out.
My friend actually sent me an essay on why the ncu wouldn’t work what are your opinions on it?
“There are so many people who I’ve seen constantly saying that Nintendo needs to make a Zelda, Kirby, Metroid, and Star Fox movie. And some even legitimately think that there needs to be a Smash Bros movie. There are some video game movies that have done well financially like Detective Pikachu (even though that was a fluke because Ryan Renolds carried that movie). But there are a multitude of reasons why I think it would be impossible to make those movies good as opposed to the successful Mario and Sonic movies so let’s go down the list.
Smash Bros: Let’s start off with the Smash Bros movie. This idea is just so beyond ridiculous that I don’t have anything to say about it. There was actually a comment on youtube I saw that perfectly summarized my feelings on this concept so I’ll just copy it here. “Jesus man, the amount of people I've seen thinking that an "NCU" and a Smash Bros movie would be good is shocking. Like, are you kidding me? That's a HORRIBLE idea! You have all these different characters from completely different self-contained universes with no recurring or cohesive themes, plots, or hell, even art styles, somehow being in one single cinematic universe for the purpose of a single movie where they beat the shit out of each other. It doesn't make any sense how someone could think that's a good plot. Not only does it disrespect the self-contained lore and story of each franchise involved, but if some writers did manage to come up with reasons for Nintendo characters to fight, it would be the most muddled, convoluted plot of any movie I can think of. It would be so haphazard and it doesn't make any sense. You know why that works as a non-canon fighting video game? Because as a video game, IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO MAKE SENSE! It's just FUN to watch and play a game where a bunch of innocent Nintendo characters beat each other up. But once you add the element of story, you're already taking it too seriously to function. On that note, I guess I could settle for some kind of Smash Bros series of animated shorts, kinda like what Smash 4 had with its bonus movies. But a full-length feature film? That idea sucks ass.” Not to mention that in Subspace Emissary nobody actually talked in that and the whole thing was based on the characters being trophies which was a video game mechanic, I don't think it’s possible to incorporate any of that into a whole movie. I don’t need to say anymore on why this is such a bad idea.
Star Fox: Next up is the Star Fox movie. In my opinion, this is actually the only movie that I think would work well. You have an established universe with characters that interact nicely with each other. I could see it being like a Guardians of the Galaxy style movie. However the Star Fox franchise is practically dead at this point (just like F-Zero) and I don’t see Nintendo wanting to revive it anytime soon so that immediately shoots that idea down.
Kid Icarus: Another movie that could potentially work. Except that Nintendo doesn’t even care about this series so why in the world would they make a movie about it? And who would even be the villain? Hades?...Again?
Fire Emblem: The Fire Emblem games are movies enough on their own. Nintendo doesn’t need to waste time making an actual one.
Metroid: Now we have the Metroid movie. A lot of people want this one but they seem to be forgetting that the one game where Samus actually talked nobody liked (Other M). Even in Metroid Prime 3 where the bounty hunters were speaking to Samus, it always felt so awkward when she didn’t respond back in any way. And unless they want to watch a doom-like movie with Samus running around and shooting things for 2 to 3 hours, they probably shouldn’t be asking for it.
Kirby: Now let’s address the idea of a Kirby movie. Most of the things I said about the Metroid movie apply here, except it’s even worse because none of the main characters usually talk (with a few exceptions). The only reason why “Kirby Right Back At Ya!” worked was because it was a TV show with a villain of the day. And if King Dedede wasn’t the main bad guy then they would need to explain why Kirby is running around brutally murdering waddle dees (which they never do). In the end it would take way too much work to make it watchable and it probably wouldn’t even be worth it.
Legend of Zelda: And finally we come to the Legend of Zelda movie. This is the one that people won’t stop begging Nintendo to make. But nobody seems to be taking into account the fact that Nintendo would have to decide whether to use a past variation of Link for the movie or create an entirely new version like what they did for Hyrule Warriors. And another big problem would be including dungeons in the movie. In the Zelda manga, the dungeons were completely removed because trying to incorporate them into the manga would ruin the flow of the story. I am certain that this issue would remain the same for the movie. But unfortunately, if the dungeons were removed from the movie, all the old-school Zelda fans would get pissed and instantly hate all of it. Also Link speaking would be kinda cursed wouldn’t it?
Instead of jumping to other Nintendo franchises, I think that they should spend more time expanding on the “Mario Cinematic Universe” and work on introducing more characters like Wario and Waluigi, Rosalina, and Bowser Jr. and the Koopalings. Imagine if Nintendo made a Donkey Kong movie where they bring King K. Rool into the Mario Universe and have him going up against the Kongs, it would probably be hilarious! Or what if they made a Luigi movie where he goes to Sarasaland on another adventure and meets Daisy for the first time? (I don’t want a Luigi’s Mansion movie because I don’t want video game movies that just copy and paste the entire plot of the games. That’s also what the Sonic movies had to avoid doing.) Nintendo has hit a goldmine with the Mario movie, and I think they should sit on it for at least a little longer before moving on to other things.”
i think a Kirby movie would only work if it did NOT focus on Kirby. A story that uses more in-depth characters the series does have (Magolor, Taranza, Susie, the three Mage-Sisters, hell even Meta Knight or King Dedede) would work a lot better.
Schaff: That's what I'm saying!
I don’t see it as a movie but an animated series yes that should happen but it’ll be difficult having IP from both Nintendo and non Nintendo property.
I think this is also a symptom of a larger issue in the game industry. That folks see it as a lesser form of art than film. All this clamoring for a smash movie when smash itself already fufills what the appeal of a smash film is. But for some folks they see a movie as a step above, even if not really consciously and think that smash "NEEDS" a movie to... Well I'm not sure what purpose they'd think it serve. Plus all the intrinsic behind the scenes issues simply getting started on one would entail that you very wonderfully touch on. Point is, Nintendo is a game company first and foremost and they're the only one of the current big 3 first party publishers that still appreciate games as games and not as a wannabe film makers 2nd avenue. They got that Nintendo animation studio or whatever its called going on, but i doubt that's gonna be for whole ass feature films, most likely stuff in scale to what pokemon already does with its web series like generations, twilight wings, poketoon etc. At most maybe OVAs or small shows of the series that have the lore and world building potential to back it up like Star Fox, Kid Icarus, ARMS, Splatoon, Metroid. I only see them doing feature films for DK honestly (and of course Mario sequels introducing characters not in 1st film). Even Zelda i think would be better serviced as an animated series to really take it's time.
And for the folks that go "it doesn't have to be a cinematic universe, just make a film with just the characters interacting" I say that would basically become what a lot of folks already criticize the Mario movie of being, as just a 90 minute Nintendo nerd reference fest. But it would actually be the case because smash doesn't have any substantial lore in itself to service a movie like you could do with Mario's 40 years of media and connected series. Smash is just a crossover for crossovers sake, with no attempt at really explaining any of the series its crossing over outside trophy descriptions. For general audiences, the MCU approach would be required but we already know the many obstacles that would keep that from happening. Its just a fun what if idea riding off the high of Mario's film.
Let me be clear, I do not want a Smash Brothers movie. For pretty much all the reasons listed in this video.
However, once my friend asked how I would do it, cause we're both creatives. Despite me not wanting one, I threw together a pitch.
- Give Movies or TV shows to the Original 8 (12 if we feel daring) from Smash 64. Simple enough there.
- Smash Bros. Movie then. First Smash kept relatively simple with its narrative and crossover.
- First 2/3 is seemingly a Tournament Arc, as Master Hand brings the Smash 64 group to HIS world (the World of Trophies?) to take part in a competition to see who is the best. In between bouts, you develop relationships between each character. Samus gets respect for Link, Falcon has a crush on Samus, Mario and Luigi form an odd friendship with Kirby, stuff like that.
- Link and Samus think Master Hand has other plans in mind. They get the Mario Brothers to help investigate. Kirby maybe tags a long, despite not being asked to.
- Later, in the Tournament Finals (which Mario is partaking in), Link and/or Samus discover the final details of Master Hand's plan. They try to get back to warn them, but are captured.
- Mario or whoever his final opponent wins, but victory is short lived. The entire competition was to A) Learn about their abilites, B) Learn how they can be used against them via the fights C) Gauge how strong they are D) Something to that effect or whatever. He chose the Smash 64 cast as they had the greatest potential in the universes he scanned.
- Master Hand's plan is to merge all realities into one and rule over it as a tyrant and force those he wants to fight for his amusement.
- About half the cast are rushed by Master Hand's army and captured, while the rest escape.
- The remaining venture towards Master Hand's lair to rescue everyone and save reality. Some setpieces are based on the Metal Mario fight, Race to Finish, and Battlefield from Smash 64.
- Only a set few make it to Final Destination, while the others are held back to rescue others or hold back Master Hand's Army. I'd say maybe the final battle consists of Mario, Link, Samus, and Kirby against Master Hand.
- They win, Master Hand explodes, and the destruction of Final Destination destroys his Lair and sends everyone back to their own realities (but not before goodbyes)
- Maybe a mid or post credits scene establishes Master Hand survived, or near death, and is revived by his brother Crazy Hand.
If you were going to make a Smash Brothers movie, it needs to start small. Try doing something with an Ultimate ot even Melee sized roster, only a handful will probably get to do anything.
That's another reason I feel and SB movie would be difficult. I agree with everything everyone has said against making a Smash movie. Above is just what I'd do if I had to make one. It's fun to speculate, but I doubt it will EVER happen, especially if film or show rights are split between multiple companies.
For me I always felt like the biggest argument against a smash movie happening is the realistic impossibility of it. We all know about the legal hassles for third party characters and such but for sake of this argument let's step down to not even Melee's but 64's roster. Let's go over all of the 12 characters and how likely they would be to get their own movies or even shows/how well they would perform to warrant inclusion in such a movie.
Mario - No analysis needed
Luigi - Luigi's Mansion would do quite well if it gets made, which is highly possible, though even then you can't have Mario without Luigi
DK - Another major co-star in Mario's billion dollar movie (and with how prevalent his franchise's elements were I'd argue a DKC movie is inevitable), absolutely getting included
Link - A Zelda movie would obviously be successful and rumors say one is already in pre-production, his inclusion is a no-brainer
Samus - Metroid is really the last franchise represented in 64 that I feel could succeed (financially) as a movie, would be included if one gets made
Yoshi - Not really popular enough to get his own movie but possibly his own silent comedy sort of thing like Angry Birds Toons, unsure of his inclusion
Kirby - You'll hate me for this but I don't think he's popular enough for his own movie (though I personally would love to see Right Back At Ya! get a reboot), zunless his inclusion being his introduction to this supposed NCU is one of the selling points in the movie he won't be there
Fox - Neither popular enough for a movie or a show, the more relevant Metroid sort of cannibalizes Star Fox's space appeal, likely not getting in
Pikachu & Jigglypuff - Pokemon is obviously big enough for a movie, BUT licensing hassles due to the split ownership could prevent them from appearing
C. Falcon - LOL
Ness - Also LOL
From this tally, the only characters from 64's basic roster we can for sure say will appear are Mario, Luigi, DK, Link, and POSSIBLY Samus and Yoshi. Kirby wouldn't be included if not made one of the selling points of the movie, and the Pokemon have issues of their own. The rest just aren't popular enough. If they want a "cinematic universe", pretty much every major character has to at least co-star in a major movie if they don't have their own, seeing as 64's roster would be the equivalent to the original Avengers if we're following Marvel's strategy, possibly barring Kirby. If in this movie, you can't even get more than half of 64's roster, what makes you think we'd get an adequate amount of characters from Melee and onwards? Even if you're willing to accept these cuts, the movie inherently fails as a Smash Bros. movie as it undermines the entire appeal of the franchise due to its minimal roster and the majority of whatever characters it has coming from Mario's universe and Zelda's.
TL;DR: the flaw with a smash movie is that if a cinematic universe were to happen barely half of even 64's cast is popular enough to at least co-star in a major movie, and such a movie fails as a smash movie if all of these cuts have to be made
As if the the *competing* video game companies would allow that.
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Well in a way no one can ever think of.
Ok I would love a smash movie but it’s definently unlikely because of copyright for example
Mario, Luigi, Bowser, donkey Kong, peach: Ilumination and universal
Sonic The Hedgehog: Paramount pictures
Pikachu, Charizard, Pokemon trainer, squirtle, Greninja etc
And plus the upcoming mega man, minecraft, Pac-Man and metal gear solid movies Ofc but i don’t think it would happen honestly sadly
I mean, they can do separated film on several IPs, not connected at all, not even need to keep the same artstyle, and then, make a Smash Movie, connecting all their previous movies in one with one specific artsyle for the whole movie and every character adapted to this artstyle.
They can make a Smash movie without making a cinematic universe
If Nintendo is going to do is a smash Bros movie then they sure base it off of Captain in the game masters
I allways though that an argumental idea they could use for an Smash Movie could be that Crazy/Master Hand could be some kind of God of Chaos who in a bizarre fashion, he brings the nintendo characters opening different dimensional portals, then the rest is story
I agree, I want them to focus on making great movies/shows/anime of their franchises and not on making them share a universe.
While I think at least a "Nintendo Cinematic Universe" could work it certainly is premature to talk about it since you need at least one movie for a couple of series just like every other "cinematic universe" did so yeah, I absolutely agree that even if it were in Nintendo's plans it would take a decade if not more before it could happen (and no, Detective Pikachu and the Sonic movies don't count, they wouldn't fit because they're way too different).
And regardless I'd also take standalone movies for other Nintendo franchises first, thanks!
Not to mention all the voice work needed to do it. Like are we using new actors or the ones in the game. Like I don’t think people would accept an American VA for Shulk or the mess that is going to be Link’s VA.
I personally feel if Smash had to be adapted, a tv show, comic, or series of web shorts would work much better. Still it's best left alone.
What non-sense, a Smash movie would probably be the highest grossing animated film ever.
Avengers totally prove that Smash can work as a film.
@@RuuyG No the Marvel properties have always been the same unverse unlike Smash
@@sonicfanboy3375 so what? The main cast should be just the Nintendo characters, maybe with Sonic. And 3rd parties would be more Easter eggs.
Wreck it Ralph and Ready Player One had many characters from third parties.
@@INFERNO95 you don't like to think, do you? The Mario movie just did one billion, Smash is going to do a least the same. Your argument is completely irrelevant, I never said Smash would be as big as Avengers, I just said Avengers is an example that crossover films can work.
Also, Pokémon is much more popular than any Marvel character.
I honestly don't think a Smash movie would work, there's just too many characters and imagine all the voice actors they would have to get for it! But at the very least I think there should be future movies based on other Nintendo franchises. I just hope Nintendo doesn't only have Illumination work on them, I'd be ok with them handling Kirby or Pikmin maybe but I don't think I trust Zelda, Metroid or even Star Fox with them-
Marvel planning the whole first 3 phases from the beginning was great and should teach a lesson on how to start from the beginning with the end in mind, but indirectly made lots of harm sure to companies not understanding why it did work in the first place, like, is clearly a really hard thing to do and marvel didn't succeed first try because they initially practiced with the comics which were adapted, Nintendo attempting it with no previous practice would just became a painful failure
A smash bros universe can work as it’s own universe, where all these characters from different universes are sent to this one universe by some otherworldly presence who will be the main villain, and the villian will hire bowser, ganondorf, and maybe another villian to collect the hero’s and eventually the villains will work with the hero to destroy the villian. This is all basically subspace emissary but with extra details, and I think that could work if they did it
1:06 earthbound baby I’m ready for a earthbound movie!!!!!!!!!!!
This will be a mess if it happens
Schaffrilla thinks anyway that illumination wouldn't work to make a zelda, starfox and metroid movie
Personally I think a Smash Bros movie could still happen but more so as a non canon crossover movie. Doesn't have to be part of a cinematic universe.
It doesn't need to be a cinematic universe, but a simple one off movie or movies is fine, subspace worked and that's all it needs to be. I disagree that it can't be done well. What needs to happen is not to overcomplicate shit, don't fire off why all these verses cross, just have it being something simple like toys come to life and leave it at that and it all can be set under the same tone so it's not issue. Subspace works BECAUSE it's divorced from all events in the universe. Just do that and make 1 to 2 movies without feeling need to make up all this lore and do all this extra crap to poorly justify a loosely connected universe.
Its should be a anthology movie showing each of the characters and their world.
I think another issue might be that some people are beginning to misuse the term "cinamtic universe" or "shared universe" to describe any film franchise or sub-genre of movies, regardless if they have any crossover event like the Avengers or not. There were times where I heard someone call all the Harry Potter and Pirates of the Caribbean movies a cinamtic universe.
I think there's a difference between what is a cinamtic universe and what is just a trilogy or quadrillogy or film *series.*
A super smash bros movie could be eh.
It could be actually good but it definitley could be a huge mess. Even if it was a shared universe and that's a huge no for me.
Not everything needs to be a shared universe.
I think a smash bros could (maybe) work, if it is a standalone movie.
I don't need a smash movie but I would be upset if there's no crossover nintendo film of some sort. If Bowser and Ganon team up for a movie event people would be hype, I know I would be. Or give us a Metroid meets Star Fox movie after both get their own films. No need for a smash end game, but crossovers are my jam.
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Could results in making parody characters of those like them.
A lot of people seem to be on the same boat that Smash Bros. won't work as a movie. I personally don't agree with that.
I'm being a complete contrarian when I say this, I understand, but I'm generally a contrarian most of the time anyway. People gave the MCU a fair shot, even though not all the films were great. I feel everyone should do the same for a potential Smash Bros film, or even a series through Netflix or Paramount Plus, something like that if making the whole series into a film is too much work. I think everyone is already forgetting that a lot of people didn't want the recent Mario Bros film to be made, because Illumination was going to handle it, and because Chris Pratt was voicing Mario. Well, the film has been out for several weeks, it did surprisingly well, so that means possible film and series based on other properties by Nintendo will be made in the future. And I can only guess that all those people who didn't want the film to be made are bawling their goddamn eyes out, and feeling like idiots.
I know the movie has its fair share of skeptics, but that happens with every film that comes out, good OR bad. It kind of scares me that some people really wanted this particular movie to fail, and are just mad because of it having as much success as it got.
I want it to be made especially clear that I love the Smash Bros series, except maybe 4, I don't think that one was very good personally. I'm being especially hard on those who don't think Smash Bros could work as a crossover film, but... I think it can. I guess what I'm trying to say is this: Don't be so fucking quick to judge. I know most of you can't help it, but I feel it can be done. It's just a matter of if it can be done well enough, but I already think it can, in the right hands.
At least Schaffrillas isn’t the only one who thinks a Smash movie is a bad idea.
18:52 considering sora is a semi-disney IP to get the right to use a one character
Sakurai says that it was bit hard to get sora
Well really good points but in the end of the day only time will tell what will happen next
Getting them to fit together in one world would be insanely easy. All they have to do is make it so that each Nintendo franchise is set in its own universe however those universes connect to each other via green warp pipes
Nintendo going the "NCU" route would be the least Nintendo move ever
Why always movies? Why not tv series? I would be hype for an alternate telling of FE 3 houses/hope story through an animated series. Or a series following up the event of HW age of calamity. (We got Pokémon, kirby and sonic already doing it fine)
I honestly don’t know whether people are thinking way too hard about it or not hard enough. If a Smash movie DOES happen, who said it has to be EXACTLY like Marvel? A shared universe, a movie dedicated to every single character and/or character development. Not even the Super Mario Bros movie cared about character development too much. Screw it, there’s a laundry list of unused Marvel heroes and villains so why do you think the Smash Ultimate roster is all vital too? I’m perfectly fine with a Smash movie in the style of Who Framed Roger Rabbit or The Lego movie where it’s indeed a crossover but they know you know these characters already, all these major characters coexisting yet not being main characters does not matter at all. Heck, we’re you expecting Batman in the Lego Movie to be the same one from The Dark Knight? Honestly, if Nintendo ever did express desire to start the project, I would feel confident they would at least have an idea in mind
It should be a show
there can be a kingdom hearts movie
Only MCU that needs to be established is the Mario Cinematic Universe, that’s all I’m looking forward to since the Mario Movie hit $1B in the Box Office.
Bro so many character would look awful, I don’t even wanna think about how villager, Game and watch, Pac-Man, and Kirby would look
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Why not be like a toy story like miniseries once in awhile?
Yes, but he's talking a a feature movie wouln't work
@@sonicfanboy3375
Well even I know it may not work even if they end up making some necessary deviations.
8:48
Like a record of Ragnarok?
I can only see two ways how It could work. Either it's like The Lego movie but with amiibo coming to life with the CGI team that makes the trailers. Or it doesn't have any third party characters, or second party. Which removes Pokémon, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Kirby, Earthbound, etc. At that point, there is no point.
Asking for a Smash Bros movie is the equivalent of having a Justice League movie.
I don’t know about a Smash Bros. Movie, either, but I would absolutely love to see an Earthbound anime movie. Not only does that have a ton of potential, it would give Earthbound the second chance that franchise really deserves.
Even if this would take a long time to actually work, I honestly am all for the wait. Call it insane but, I legitimately think these things can work with a lot of time.
People are trying to Rush perfect.
Rome wasn’t built in a day, let alone a year.
8-10 years from now, I definitely see a smash movie at least being developed.