Andre you are one of the better interviewers when it comes to car tech! I like how you chop one fast answer up into multiple ( very ) clear questions! Keep it up
Really good interview especially since he knows so much and isn't trying to bullshit his way through the questions. Really interesting stuff great interview.
Thanks Andre, this was another top level interview with a youngman who really knew his stuff! Appreciate you covering the fact that aluminium rods have that give to act as a designed weakpoint to save against more catastrophic damages. Also the tidbit about a forged rod bending before it will break was insightful. Great choice of interview as well, Proline being so world famous and on the bleeding edge as Eric described. E Kanoo use their engines so that goes to show the level of customer/racer this company caters to.
Eric has brought on and opened up the industry to RVW and this kind of power from an engine. He came from racing junk small blocks to this. Truly an amazing story of where him and Steve petty started.
Thanks Kaisuhina! The team enjoys creating them too. You can pretty much learn at least one new piece of knowledge from anyone, but I think I'm up to about 15 from Eric haha Keep an eye out for the next release and feel free to share this one here for now if you feel like it 😎- Taz 👨🏻
Some amazing info there and surprising the amount of life out of each component at that level of power. Short of a Shane T video there isnt anyone out there sharing the level of info you do Andre much appreciated :)
Proline isn’t the real engine builder here, it’s Alan Johnson. The name is right on the valve cover. Proline just bolts it together but Alan Johnson is the R&D behind everything
try closer to 11-12,000 hp 1 car last year had a theoretical hp of closer to 15k. No dyno ive seen can take that so its basically just calculations at that point
I remember in Pomana a record was broken, inofficial, of 314mph.....crowd went Nuts..... Now the tracks are 300 feet shorter.... 340 mph!??!?!? Insane....
Its so insane watching car technology over the past 20 years. I started with Best Motoring, with laggy journal bearing turboes.. Now we're talking about direct injection (not in this video though, just saying), billet blocks and aluminum rods. God bless the combustion engine!
@Malcolm Reynolds What game? They aren't racing for free. You can always bracket race doesn't take as much power. There is also Factory Stock, Coyote Stock, LS Stock, Hemi Stock, etc, etc. In the V8 world you have choices. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you must run Pro Mod/Top Sportsman.
Wedge heads can come close but the more the fuel carries its own oxygen and or cooling features the more the HEMI displays its superior flame travel abilities.
How long before we see carbon fiber connecting rods in this kind of application? Being able to lay up carbon to provide the lengthwise cushioning of aluminium but with much higher yield strength, thread holding ability, fatigue resistance and significantly lower bob weight sounds like the perfect application for carbon.
Someone has made carbon rods but I think it was for the Coyote platform and I don't think it's for this power level. I wonder if there's carbon rods that can handle this power level out there yet
@@02honeydew heres the article about the LS carbon fiber rods: www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/naimo-composites-developing-ls-carbon-fiber-connecting-rods/
@@cantho11 I'm sure it will depending upon temp but I'm not expert for sure. That's why I'm thinking maybe for this level of racing it may be good because from what little I understand about race fuels, they tend to burn at much lower temp so it should reduce over all engine temp during the combustion cycle at lease (I think) and keep the rods safer running ridiculous power levels like he was saying. I'm definitely not an expert but hopefully we start seeing more carbon rods in the near future and see what they can do.
@@von... Not the original rods I had seen before but I really like that someone is taking the initiative to start the technology for a targeted market that doesn't feel like wasting money buying a Lamborghini just to experience this stuff. Really exciting.
Wonder if / when we will get to an age of carbon fiber blocks sleeved / affixed with billet or Ti where necessary. Imagine the rigidity and weight reduction on an engine of this size and density if the bulk of it were CF
Great engine for those with very thick wallets. The hemi engine likes high rpm which is very hard on parts. I believe rods typically are changed out after 20 runs!
@@dj4monie nothing that you said makes any sense. I think the real difference in ability between the LS and Hemi architecture comes down to chamber shapes. If the Hemi does in fact flow more c.f.m. per liter, it would surely be due to this. Both engine types have machined billet heads
The hemi Mopar head is of a cross flow design...the LS head is an inline, or what is commonly a "reverse flow" design, that is, the intake/exhaust charge has to change direction as it moves across the piston in the chamber. With the Mopar hemi type or a cross flow type head, the charge goes straight thru. The result here, is that the hemi yields a much higher level of volumetric efficiency, hence the hemi design will also be able to create far higher levels of horsepower. The LS is OK, but is not in the same league as the hemi..
Not from us in one single video sorry. We probably have that across multiple videos although they won't all be exactly the same when it comes to different cars in different classes. Sorry I couldn't help you on that one - Taz.
not surprised by a hemi v8 these things were always a monster i wish ls wasnt the swap these days hemi should lol but yeah mopar crate engines are kinda expensive in general...
The basic architecture is still 426 HEMI. From the bore spacing, to the intake/exhaust spacing, the dual shaft rockertrain, plug location, chamber shape, pan rail, distributor location, cross-bolted mains, etc., etc. The ONLY engine that plays in this league that still maintains that many similarities to the original design. The 481X, that's commonly referred to as the "chevy" style engine, is a FAR cry from the BBC platform in every respect.
Not a single part of ANY race engine is from the original manufacturer, but the HEMI architecture is FAR closer to it's original design than ANY of the other makes, including the 481X.
The tunes will be constantly changed or adapted to the car/track variables. Check out the 11,000hp TF pro mods that people like Scotty Palmer are playing around with now. I think I have yet to see a full solid pass happen in one of those cars. With race engine technology getter better, and higher and higher HP these days.... like your question implies, how are these guys going to solve the power to ground issues?... Good question, and most relevant. Tom Bailey seems to have a good handle on that with his cars @ 4000-5000 hp, but as HP increases so will traction issues. It'll boil down to IF ever or WHEN and under what conditions you tune it to allow full power to hit the wheels during a run.
Hopefully you've got a full tube chassis and bulletproof drivetrain, otherworldly you're gonna have a bad time. Or, you can just do 400 mph wheelspeed burnouts
Even a solid billet 6Al4v, called grade 5 titanium, would never be as hard as a steel block. Titanium has a yeild strength of 150kpsi heat treated and hardness of about Rockwell 39c. That's about as hard as stainless cutlery. A billet d2 tool steel block however has a yield strength of over 230kpsi and a surface hardness of up to Rockwell 62c when heat treated. Even annealed it is still nearly as hard and tough as titanium at its maximum. The problem with steel is the weight and with titanium is the tooling to cut it and the cost. Aluminum that they use for these blocks in nowhere near as strong, only 23kpsi yield, it is much more walkable, much easier to marching, has a density 60% that of titanium and 40% that of steel and takes shapes better.because it can be cut after.heat treatment. Both titanium and steel would have to be.heat treated after machining and would probably not survive the kiln. There as very few aluminum engine blocks that have iron or steel bedplates that are a main bearing girdle that the headstuds anchor into as well. There are several exotic aluminum alloys that really come close to 100kpsi yield but they suffer the same fate as titanium. Harder to marching, hard to weld, not as dimensionally stable at temperature. Even before the exotic materials ban, take a look at what f1 used for engine blocks and it will be some aerospace aluminum alloy billet block and maybe forged head but prob billet. It just works, and works well.
@@nordic5490 hey, so throw 140 psi at this thing and see what she does! Lol also have to remember, it's 85 psi to make 5,200hp to the wheel, not the crank. Probably closer to 6,000 HP to the crank. So I'd say double the psi at 140 psi on a 4 cylinder to make half the power seems realistic lol.
Never read anything about "shitty" reputation. Just over priced, that company being NRE. Which I would assume is the only reason why most people don't gravitate towards proprietary technology. But Garrett turbos just released a line of "reverse spin" turbines in the recent year or so, but haven't seen a lot of people use these in the public market place.
bad rep how? Unreliability or bad service? I haven't seen any actual customer make a notable post on forums or youtube claiming something horrible. I've heard critics say the same thing about bad rep on Steve Morris builds and other notable turbo tuners, yet, no major real world facts surrounding any notable problems. Did this Tina Pierce person claim any issues?
Themayseffect It was his customer service after the sale. People couldn’t get tech support from him. I saw a one or two complaints on yellow bullet. Honestly though just look at dragweek, any no prep, Donald longs radials races and tell me how many racers you see with NRE equipment. I haven’t come across any complaints on Steve Morris and his motors but he just rode with a customer in drag week and won first place in big tire or whatever the top category was at drag week.
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 Americans don't need to have "respect" for "the language", they have their own way of saying things, just like Aussies. In fact, "aluminium" came after "aluminum", and both came before "alumium". If you wanted to be strict about things, you're pronouncing it wrong. Australians are actually using the most deviated version of it because they've followed the English.
omg, quick scroll down the comments, there's at least 3 people that think this is a polished up turboed dodge engine....smh no fellas far cry from any factory dodge motor
Turning a piston reciprocal engine into essentially a turbine engine with 5,000 hp. I don’t doubt this type of engine will be streetable in the beer future!
the secret to getting American and Australian engines to make power is as simple as adding displacement, and chanting "these damn europeans" right before launch for an extra 500 hp
10000rpm is nowhere near out of the question for one of these. I've seen the data logging on all iron SS/AA HEMI engines and on a 160+mph pass, they are over 9200rpm.
Eric started proline with doug patton when he was only 26 from memory. He also races pro mods himself. Proline 481x is the only engine to have if u want to compete in promod , radial and outlaw. 2/3 of street outlaws running proline. I was hoping u would do a proline feature. Please try and get an interview with steve petty.( prolines go to tuner)
Their Hemi the engine they are talking about in this video is better than the 481x. In fact most of Prolines Promod customers use their Hemi. In.fact I can't think of a single one that still runs the 481x.
The boosted HEMI is top dog in Promod and everywhere else maximum horsepower is required as long as the rulesmakers, or the track surface don't hinder performance. The 481X is 2nd dog.
I know that pro line engines are but I didn't know they are that good. These engines are built strong I didn't realize how good how strong and durable. I Wonder how much heat temperature it can take and for how long. But I day this pro line engine is just bad a$$. Go Ryan Martin fireball camaro, Daddy Dave, Monza they run a pro line engine twin turbo setup.
Yea, like 700hp isnt enough for the Shit drivers that buy those cars. No need for that kinda power with no experience in driving. Damn near hit a fucking hell cat the other day. dude left a light, got second and then went sideways across 3 lanes. I was beside him when it got lose, he over corrected, i had to down shift and move out before he got my passenger door
well , I am an experienced driver, and Ive driven cars with 2k-3k HP on the streets. Havent killed anyone yet. lol Plus I wouldnt pull some dumb BS at a traffic light. thats just asking for trouble that was quick thinking on your part, seeing the idiot driver and getting out of the idiots way. I see sketchy crap like that daily!
85 psi boost on methanol is something the tractor pull guys have been doing since the mid-1990's. It's the 10,000 rpm on the Hemi that surprises me. No wonder they can't keep rods in it. But if that's what they have to do to win... I'm just waiting for them to start mixing nitromethane in with the methanol. I've always wanted to see turbos take over in the nitro classes, but the NHRA will never allow it. They can't stand to see the cars go any faster as it is.
It's not that. there isn't a turbo big enough. and hasn't been a proven set up. A blower has the volume to produce those numbers a turbo engine hasn't yet. To make 12,000hp that turbo who be the same size as the engine. Turbo tech hasn't reach there yet.
@@andyharman3022 really? no sir it would have to be massive. Imports n buses run compounding turbos. The fastest imports run them. So do public transportation. They were the first. Then the truck pulling scene did then the imports took it for themselves. They have compounding turbos to make serious boost. A single turbo will not.
@@andyharman3022 look it up. Your gonna be shocked. A blower is 100% proven and a very reliable in making stupid power. Turbos haven't even broken 6,000Hp... belt driving blowers flow n make serious power. Way over any modern turbos set up even compounding turbos. There's no bullshit here my friend. Look it up.
Give this guy a trophy for Gearhead of the year unbelievable amount of knowledge off the top of his head God bless and keep up the good work
Thanks Jack, appreciate the kind words! - Taz.
There’s a reason there’s “the Dillard tax” lmao
@@hpa101 how to contact Eric?& this engine also available for lsr?kindly reply
Andre you are one of the better interviewers when it comes to car tech! I like how you chop one fast answer up into multiple ( very ) clear questions! Keep it up
Yes, he always keeps the viewers in mind. Even if he understands the difficult stuff himself.
He's very good at it
Andre is such a great interviewer! He always asks the best questions and never interrupts.
Really good interview especially since he knows so much and isn't trying to bullshit his way through the questions. Really interesting stuff great interview.
Proline has been killing the game for a while now. Great job guys!
Thanks Andre, this was another top level interview with a youngman who really knew his stuff! Appreciate you covering the fact that aluminium rods have that give to act as a designed weakpoint to save against more catastrophic damages. Also the tidbit about a forged rod bending before it will break was insightful. Great choice of interview as well, Proline being so world famous and on the bleeding edge as Eric described. E Kanoo use their engines so that goes to show the level of customer/racer this company caters to.
Very knowledgeable guy ! Insane Technology that goes into making such a beast of an engine
100% Always interesting to hear a bit about the process people have been through to find out what works too. Glad you enjoyed the interview :) - Taz.
This is the best breakdown of a Billet aluminum block vs everything else
Taz is a very good interviewer. Salute.
Andre is the chap in front of the camera, but we'll take the compliment! Glad you enjoyed the video :) - Taz.
Love HP academy always giving in depth information 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Thanks Omar! Couldn't do it without people like Eric jumping in and sharing their knowledge and experience too :) - Taz.
@@hpa101 can't wait for more in depth video's keep em coming bro 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼
Eric has come a long way. Brought my first nitrous kit from him at Barnett Performance.
Agreed that guy really knows his stuff
Eric has brought on and opened up the industry to RVW and this kind of power from an engine. He came from racing junk small blocks to this. Truly an amazing story of where him and Steve petty started.
Every question that popped in my head, you asked. Probably thee best video so far that I have seen. Keep up the great content!
Wow this guy really knows what he is talking about. Loved watching this. Great vid guy's.
Excellent video again! These are always interesting to watch.
Thanks Kaisuhina! The team enjoys creating them too. You can pretty much learn at least one new piece of knowledge from anyone, but I think I'm up to about 15 from Eric haha Keep an eye out for the next release and feel free to share this one here for now if you feel like it 😎- Taz 👨🏻
Best in the Business.
Eric Dillard knows his stuff.
He has an impressive wealth of knowledge - Taz.
Excellent interview, and amazing content. 👍
Some amazing info there and surprising the amount of life out of each component at that level of power. Short of a Shane T video there isnt anyone out there sharing the level of info you do Andre much appreciated :)
A great explanation of these amazing engines. 85 psi boost is crazy. So is 5200 hp at the wheel.
Proline isn’t the real engine builder here, it’s Alan Johnson. The name is right on the valve cover. Proline just bolts it together but Alan Johnson is the R&D behind everything
kyleshady21 incorrect sir . They use billet AJE block and heads ( which they suggested and R&D’d the inadequacies)
Ha your funny
AJPE is in the cylinder head not the valve cover you engine genius.
Alan Johnson.... Isn't that the guy way down yonder by the Chattahoochee?
@@ablejohnson738 lol ! I'll bite...... It's Allen Jackson! Lol!
These are great series! I love to see running/driving footage at the end of the vid, even if it's for few seconds:)
mechanical engineering knowledge from a reliable source right there
Awesome Sauce!!! Would Love to drop one of those in My Ram!!! Maybe one Day!!!! Dream Big, Right!!!
I remember the 94 gatornationals when top fuelers were just grazing 5k hp now there making twice that
try closer to 11-12,000 hp 1 car last year had a theoretical hp of closer to 15k. No dyno ive seen can take that so its basically just calculations at that point
The issues always gonna be putting it down
I remember in Pomana a record was broken, inofficial, of 314mph.....crowd went Nuts..... Now the tracks are 300 feet shorter.... 340 mph!??!?!? Insane....
In 94 that was... Forgot to mention
@Mr. Morningstar i think you missed the part about them doing that speed with a 300ft shorter track.
its five years on and the technology has progressed even more now
Its so insane watching car technology over the past 20 years. I started with Best Motoring, with laggy journal bearing turboes.. Now we're talking about direct injection (not in this video though, just saying), billet blocks and aluminum rods. God bless the combustion engine!
Fantastic interview! Very informative for amateur engine "builders" like myself.
Glad it was helpful!
Excellent video. Lots of great information here. Thanks for sharing.
Perfect interview, lots of good information. Would love to also see a Video attached of this beast running :)
With block design when will you use the old gmc 637 block that come with 5.125 cylinder bore
Pro line is literally taken over the game but it will cost you too play!
@Malcolm Reynolds motorsport has never been cheap - Taz.
Steve morris is just about right there with pro line competition makes for some better products that's for sure.
@@JCA-Z more creates more! People forget that sometimes - Taz.
@@JCA-Z I 💯 percent agree with SM motors they are definitely just as good or even better!
@Malcolm Reynolds What game? They aren't racing for free. You can always bracket race doesn't take as much power. There is also Factory Stock, Coyote Stock, LS Stock, Hemi Stock, etc, etc. In the V8 world you have choices. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you must run Pro Mod/Top Sportsman.
Wedge heads can come close but the more the fuel carries its own oxygen and or cooling features the more the HEMI displays its superior flame travel abilities.
It's all about the short block
Love it. I am druling over these twin 102 mm turbos. They are so astonishing.
Love you guys.
That brilliant kid is so smart, that cap he’s wearing barely fits!
How long before we see carbon fiber connecting rods in this kind of application? Being able to lay up carbon to provide the lengthwise cushioning of aluminium but with much higher yield strength, thread holding ability, fatigue resistance and significantly lower bob weight sounds like the perfect application for carbon.
Someone has made carbon rods but I think it was for the Coyote platform and I don't think it's for this power level. I wonder if there's carbon rods that can handle this power level out there yet
@@02honeydew heres the article about the LS carbon fiber rods: www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/naimo-composites-developing-ls-carbon-fiber-connecting-rods/
02honeydew will the heat fatigue the carbon rod?
@@cantho11 I'm sure it will depending upon temp but I'm not expert for sure. That's why I'm thinking maybe for this level of racing it may be good because from what little I understand about race fuels, they tend to burn at much lower temp so it should reduce over all engine temp during the combustion cycle at lease (I think) and keep the rods safer running ridiculous power levels like he was saying. I'm definitely not an expert but hopefully we start seeing more carbon rods in the near future and see what they can do.
@@von... Not the original rods I had seen before but I really like that someone is taking the initiative to start the technology for a targeted market that doesn't feel like wasting money buying a Lamborghini just to experience this stuff. Really exciting.
love this channel!! i always learn somthing new
Amazing stuff! Keep the videos coming!
Awesome content AF as always!
Wonder if / when we will get to an age of carbon fiber blocks sleeved / affixed with billet or Ti where necessary. Imagine the rigidity and weight reduction on an engine of this size and density if the bulk of it were CF
I like the potential with this idea. I dont see why not unless the vibrations will crack the carbon fiber.
Or melt the shit out of it when the sleeve heats up.
Best interviewer in the game!!!!
Great engine for those with very thick wallets. The hemi engine likes high rpm which is very hard on parts. I believe rods typically are changed out after 20 runs!
and stevie fast sometimes after only 15 passes
Does a hemi flow more per L than a LS based V8??
Of course billet heads.... Big Block
Anthony Thomas sounds more than I can handle. I'll smack up a single cam 6
@@dj4monie nothing that you said makes any sense. I think the real difference in ability between the LS and Hemi architecture comes down to chamber shapes. If the Hemi does in fact flow more c.f.m. per liter, it would surely be due to this.
Both engine types have machined billet heads
The hemi Mopar head is of a cross flow design...the LS head is an inline, or what is commonly a "reverse flow" design, that is, the intake/exhaust charge has to change direction as it moves across the piston in the chamber. With the Mopar hemi type or a cross flow type head, the charge goes straight thru. The result here, is that the hemi yields a much higher level of volumetric efficiency, hence the hemi design will also be able to create far higher levels of horsepower. The LS is OK, but is not in the same league as the hemi..
Very interesting stuff. Love Proline
this was very informative!
Amazing video, thank you.
Is there a video explaining the whole drive train of drag car. From fuel tank to rubber on the track.
Not from us in one single video sorry. We probably have that across multiple videos although they won't all be exactly the same when it comes to different cars in different classes. Sorry I couldn't help you on that one - Taz.
@@hpa101 thank you
5200hp, that's insane!!! I can't imagine the feeling from acceleration. Would a Pro Charger make more?
No only up to 4400hp at the moment. But more control and reliability means faster runs.
I like how he kept saying "Aluminum"
Great video thank you for your hard work!!...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
Our pleasure Bill, glad you enjoyed it =D - Taz.
not surprised by a hemi v8 these things were always a monster i wish ls wasnt the swap these days hemi should lol but yeah mopar crate engines are kinda expensive in general...
The basic architecture is still 426 HEMI. From the bore spacing, to the intake/exhaust spacing, the dual shaft rockertrain, plug location, chamber shape, pan rail, distributor location, cross-bolted mains, etc., etc. The ONLY engine that plays in this league that still maintains that many similarities to the original design.
The 481X, that's commonly referred to as the "chevy" style engine, is a FAR cry from the BBC platform in every respect.
Not a single part of ANY race engine is from the original manufacturer, but the HEMI architecture is FAR closer to it's original design than ANY of the other makes, including the 481X.
Do you use a 2 3 and 4 7 swap cam firing order
Believe that was a SBC thing
@@zuestoots5176 I've done it on my 638" turbo'd Keith Black, it's really a HP versus torque decision.
how does these guys get the power to the ground?
The tunes will be constantly changed or adapted to the car/track variables. Check out the 11,000hp TF pro mods that people like Scotty Palmer are playing around with now. I think I have yet to see a full solid pass happen in one of those cars. With race engine technology getter better, and higher and higher HP these days.... like your question implies, how are these guys going to solve the power to ground issues?... Good question, and most relevant. Tom Bailey seems to have a good handle on that with his cars @ 4000-5000 hp, but as HP increases so will traction issues. It'll boil down to IF ever or WHEN and under what conditions you tune it to allow full power to hit the wheels during a run.
What about steel vs titanium rods, forged vs billet?
Damn! When a huge billet forged steel crank becomes the “burst panel” of the engine! Damn
One of those proline motors most definitely has to go on my wishlist 😯God knows I can't afford one😕 hilarious..!!
That Hemi with a twin turbo alcohol efi setup.starts at 106K.
I want to hear someone talk about cylinder heads and the port development that goes into making power
Wonder if that engine will fit in my amc Pacer?
Another awesome and informative video!
I need one for my 70 Roadrunner!
Hopefully you've got a full tube chassis and bulletproof drivetrain, otherworldly you're gonna have a bad time. Or, you can just do 400 mph wheelspeed burnouts
does anybody know if a titanium block has ever been made I know it would be stupid expensive but it would have to be damn near indestructible
Not going to happen
www.quora.com/What-are-the-benefits-and-disadvantages-of-using-an-automotive-engine-block-cast-of-Titanium
@@kalashnikovcortez1380 what about billet ?
Even a solid billet 6Al4v, called grade 5 titanium, would never be as hard as a steel block. Titanium has a yeild strength of 150kpsi heat treated and hardness of about Rockwell 39c. That's about as hard as stainless cutlery.
A billet d2 tool steel block however has a yield strength of over 230kpsi and a surface hardness of up to Rockwell 62c when heat treated. Even annealed it is still nearly as hard and tough as titanium at its maximum. The problem with steel is the weight and with titanium is the tooling to cut it and the cost.
Aluminum that they use for these blocks in nowhere near as strong, only 23kpsi yield, it is much more walkable, much easier to marching, has a density 60% that of titanium and 40% that of steel and takes shapes better.because it can be cut after.heat treatment. Both titanium and steel would have to be.heat treated after machining and would probably not survive the kiln.
There as very few aluminum engine blocks that have iron or steel bedplates that are a main bearing girdle that the headstuds anchor into as well.
There are several exotic aluminum alloys that really come close to 100kpsi yield but they suffer the same fate as titanium. Harder to marching, hard to weld, not as dimensionally stable at temperature.
Even before the exotic materials ban, take a look at what f1 used for engine blocks and it will be some aerospace aluminum alloy billet block and maybe forged head but prob billet. It just works, and works well.
Basically Top Fuel block technology. Without a water jacket, and billet, much stronger!
Bill Welter but crap at drag week. Try doing 10miles let alone 1000miles. Just crap. There are 5000hp cars doing drag week.
Nor Dic Crap! That’s bullshit! Proline have dominated the competition, shit your lazy uneducated mouth.
excellent interview
Thanks Wayne =) - Taz.
Pretty much solves the V8 debate.. Mopar is king! 1:30 to 2:15
Another great informative clip!!! Thanks
Cheers for watching! Still have a bunch to come from PRI so keep an ear our ;) - Taz.
very interesting vid as usual, !!!
Would it be a bad idea to put this engine in a Boss Hoss motorcycle ?
So its a topfuel motor setup with turbos instead of a blower and running nitro
Not sure, but I think it's running alcohol instead of Nitro.
KsD Hobbies hardly. 2.5L 4 cylinder cars are running 140psi and 3000hp now. The 2 valve head is holding it back.
@@nordic5490 really weres the video? I dnt think so
@@nordic5490 hey, so throw 140 psi at this thing and see what she does! Lol also have to remember, it's 85 psi to make 5,200hp to the wheel, not the crank. Probably closer to 6,000 HP to the crank. So I'd say double the psi at 140 psi on a 4 cylinder to make half the power seems realistic lol.
Love this engine 🙌
Well spoken dude
On wich engine that 550 Hemi engine is based on? 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 or it's an Hemi build from the scratch.. Or it is not an Gen Hemi at all??
It's based on the 1964 426ci HEMI engine with 4.800 bore spacing.
Proline the world
Have you already done a video on "mirror image" turbos and why they aren't popular yet on average?
Never read anything about "shitty" reputation. Just over priced, that company being NRE. Which I would assume is the only reason why most people don't gravitate towards proprietary technology. But Garrett turbos just released a line of "reverse spin" turbines in the recent year or so, but haven't seen a lot of people use these in the public market place.
Garrett has mirror image turbos now I believe.
Nobody fast runs anything NRE products. Tina pierce is the only person I know that runs his turbos. NRE has a bad rep.
bad rep how? Unreliability or bad service? I haven't seen any actual customer make a notable post on forums or youtube claiming something horrible. I've heard critics say the same thing about bad rep on Steve Morris builds and other notable turbo tuners, yet, no major real world facts surrounding any notable problems. Did this Tina Pierce person claim any issues?
Themayseffect It was his customer service after the sale. People couldn’t get tech support from him. I saw a one or two complaints on yellow bullet. Honestly though just look at dragweek, any no prep, Donald longs radials races and tell me how many racers you see with NRE equipment. I haven’t come across any complaints on Steve Morris and his motors but he just rode with a customer in drag week and won first place in big tire or whatever the top category was at drag week.
Why not titanium rods? Or even pistons?
The power/torque/RPM produced in some of these race engines puts so-called "hypercars" to absolute shame.
What fuel do they run on those high hp engines?
Alcohol I believe.
The man!
This is a stock 392 with twin turbos 5200 HP 👌
No it's billet, Nitro Burner technology funny guy.
insanely knowledge dense interview ,
No water running through motor ? AMAZING !
Someone's making a "wet" hemi recently....from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠
He kept asking "aluminium" questions just to trigger him.
Lmao
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Good. At least Aussies respect the language 🇬🇧🇦🇺
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 Americans don't need to have "respect" for "the language", they have their own way of saying things, just like Aussies. In fact, "aluminium" came after "aluminum", and both came before "alumium". If you wanted to be strict about things, you're pronouncing it wrong. Australians are actually using the most deviated version of it because they've followed the English.
@@hoonaticbloggs5402 "Roi-spect 'nd spoike proi-Phah Oing-glish, yah facking Americore! Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi! 'STRAYA, 'STRAYA, 'STARYA, M8TY!!!!"
Felix as an Ozzie I can understand most of the American language.
omg, quick scroll down the comments, there's at least 3 people that think this is a polished up turboed dodge engine....smh no fellas far cry from any factory dodge motor
Impressive
Turning a piston reciprocal engine into essentially a turbine engine with 5,000 hp. I don’t doubt this type of engine will be streetable in the beer future!
Ok yeah, I’m drinking beer and meant to say near...you got me!
Is This a Charlie Buck product??
Does he work for Proline? - Taz.
Price?
You'll have to ask directly, I'm not sure sorry: www.prolineracing.net/ - Taz.
the secret to getting American and Australian engines to make power is as simple as adding displacement, and chanting "these damn europeans" right before launch for an extra 500 hp
This engine would be right at home in a Prius.
481x making 5600 hp crazy! If you would just run it at 2000 hp would it last 10 times longer?
Its not a 481, it's a Billet Chrysler based Hemi. Standard Nitro stuff here just ran on whatever and got turbos attached to it.
Good question I wish someone would answer...
No 481X has come close to 5600hp.
Why not use titanium rods then?
Jim E probably because alu is softer so it doesnt punch the crank
That's what bearings and oil are for
After seeing how Cleetus treated a Steve Moris' engine, his proline is going to be scrap in less than a season with that maintenance schedule.
change the rods every 10 miles . I am so happy with my 150 hp Toyota lol almost 300,000 miles on it all og
Your Toyota doesnt run 6s in the 1/4 mile...
I'm skeptical of the 5200hp . Would be nice to see dyno sheet. 10000 rpms for v8 hemi seems high. 84 lb of boost is reasonable.
Have a search, there are dyno run videos 😎 - Taz
10000rpm is nowhere near out of the question for one of these. I've seen the data logging on all iron SS/AA HEMI engines and on a 160+mph pass, they are over 9200rpm.
Super cool.
Eric started proline with doug patton when he was only 26 from memory. He also races pro mods himself. Proline 481x is the only engine to have if u want to compete in promod , radial and outlaw.
2/3 of street outlaws running proline.
I was hoping u would do a proline feature. Please try and get an interview with steve petty.( prolines go to tuner)
Their Hemi the engine they are talking about in this video is better than the 481x. In fact most of Prolines Promod customers use their Hemi. In.fact I can't think of a single one that still runs the 481x.
@@adamhurst9491 Daddy Dave runs a 481x engine
The boosted HEMI is top dog in Promod and everywhere else maximum horsepower is required as long as the rulesmakers, or the track surface don't hinder performance.
The 481X is 2nd dog.
Holy alla-meen-eeum Batman!
So the fuel guys had the engine design and cylinder pressure issue soled already... 12000 HP nitro engine platform to the rescue...
I know that pro line engines are but I didn't know they are that good. These engines are built strong I didn't realize how good how strong and durable. I Wonder how much heat temperature it can take and for how long. But I day this pro line engine is just bad a$$. Go Ryan Martin fireball camaro, Daddy Dave, Monza they run a pro line engine twin turbo setup.
if I ever win the lotto I won't tell anyone but there will be signs lol...these bad boy motors in my holden street cars
Is that the boosted ego car in the background
to bad i cant get that in a new Challenger
Yea, like 700hp isnt enough for the Shit drivers that buy those cars. No need for that kinda power with no experience in driving. Damn near hit a fucking hell cat the other day. dude left a light, got second and then went sideways across 3 lanes. I was beside him when it got lose, he over corrected, i had to down shift and move out before he got my passenger door
well , I am an experienced driver, and Ive driven cars with 2k-3k HP on the streets. Havent killed anyone yet. lol Plus I wouldnt pull some dumb BS at a traffic light. thats just asking for trouble
that was quick thinking on your part, seeing the idiot driver and getting out of the idiots way. I see sketchy crap like that daily!
85 psi boost on methanol is something the tractor pull guys have been doing since the mid-1990's.
It's the 10,000 rpm on the Hemi that surprises me. No wonder they can't keep rods in it. But if that's what they have to do to win...
I'm just waiting for them to start mixing nitromethane in with the methanol. I've always wanted to see turbos take over in the nitro classes, but the NHRA will never allow it. They can't stand to see the cars go any faster as it is.
It's not that. there isn't a turbo big enough. and hasn't been a proven set up. A blower has the volume to produce those numbers a turbo engine hasn't yet. To make 12,000hp that turbo who be the same size as the engine. Turbo tech hasn't reach there yet.
@@Al-mx6ru Bullshit. There are turbos large enough.
Can't find a single turbo large enough? Put on 2. Or 3. Or 4.
@@andyharman3022 really? no sir it would have to be massive. Imports n buses run compounding turbos. The fastest imports run them. So do public transportation. They were the first. Then the truck pulling scene did then the imports took it for themselves. They have compounding turbos to make serious boost. A single turbo will not.
@@andyharman3022 look it up. Your gonna be shocked. A blower is 100% proven and a very reliable in making stupid power. Turbos haven't even broken 6,000Hp... belt driving blowers flow n make serious power. Way over any modern turbos set up even compounding turbos. There's no bullshit here my friend. Look it up.