Proline Racing's 5200HP Hemi V8 | Secrets Revealed [TECH TALK]

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  • How do you build a 5200HP engine that can handle 85 PSI of boost?
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    It wasn’t long ago that 5200HP would have been seen as a reliably unattainable number from a 520ci V8, but those days are gone and Eric Dillard of Proline Racing (PLR) shares some of his knowledge with Andre on the path to these power levels, and what keeps engines like this together.
    Discussed is the maintenance and checks that are carried out anywhere from being between every run down the strip to every 40-45 runs depending on the part. The benefits of a billet block are also covered in detail including what happens when a rod breaks in a billet block and how it can be repaired compared to a cast aluminum block which might be able to handle the power fine, but will crack and turn into a large paperweight at the first sign of trouble.
    Eric also explains how the aluminium rods used will often only bend instead of breaking saving on time and other components in the event of failure. Wondering why you should use aluminium rods instead of steel rods at all? Watch to find out.
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  • @hpa101
    @hpa101  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @jackkeller3172
    @jackkeller3172 5 ปีที่แล้ว +72

    Give this guy a trophy for Gearhead of the year unbelievable amount of knowledge off the top of his head God bless and keep up the good work

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thanks Jack, appreciate the kind words! - Taz.

    • @Tate6788
      @Tate6788 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      There’s a reason there’s “the Dillard tax” lmao

    • @minhazhaque5340
      @minhazhaque5340 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hpa101 how to contact Eric?& this engine also available for lsr?kindly reply

  • @InIMoeK
    @InIMoeK 5 ปีที่แล้ว +96

    Andre you are one of the better interviewers when it comes to car tech! I like how you chop one fast answer up into multiple ( very ) clear questions! Keep it up

    • @Domas64
      @Domas64 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yes, he always keeps the viewers in mind. Even if he understands the difficult stuff himself.

    • @danielbrealey2924
      @danielbrealey2924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He's very good at it

  • @OrianIglesias
    @OrianIglesias 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Andre is such a great interviewer! He always asks the best questions and never interrupts.

  • @02honeydew
    @02honeydew 5 ปีที่แล้ว +49

    Really good interview especially since he knows so much and isn't trying to bullshit his way through the questions. Really interesting stuff great interview.

  • @vanjabi8827
    @vanjabi8827 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Proline has been killing the game for a while now. Great job guys!

  • @The_Angry_BeEconomist
    @The_Angry_BeEconomist 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    its five years on and the technology has progressed even more now

  • @hpa101
    @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +58

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    • @glennvandenberg3912
      @glennvandenberg3912 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That is a high quality educational comment that we come to expect from you guys. Love your work and the nip shields.

    • @turbochard7355
      @turbochard7355 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just interested why does top fueler make 8-10000hp on these boost levels but this only makes 5200hp? Cheers

    • @turbochard7355
      @turbochard7355 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      alanjrkaminski would you be able to run these engines on nitromethane thanks for reply

    • @rmm2424
      @rmm2424 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      AJPE = Alan Johnson?

    • @Chris_Harris
      @Chris_Harris 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@turbochard7355 First, they ASSUME it's 10,000 for a top fuel. Theres not even a hub dyno that can handle an instant 10,000HP hit so they don't even know. It's a scientific formula that takes all the variables and spits out a number of 10,000-12,000HP.
      Why is it so powerful? Nitromethane has like an 8:1 advantage over 116 race gas in explosive potential. It takes a really hot engine to make it burn which is why they start their engines with Methanol (alcohol) that burns very easily yet still makes the power they need to keep the engine healthy. They NEED that nitromethane after the start...not just for its power but because it cools the engine. Short of oil passages to moving parts, there's nothing cooling that engine other than the blower when they launch and that air ain't cool for very long nor does it cool anything other than an intake valve and a cylinder.
      The result? On the starting line right when they hit the gas, there is INSTANT 10,000 HP if they hold the tires down. (that 5,000HP engine would NEVER be able to generate 5,000HP off the hit without exploding/busting the tires loose...even if they put a top fuel blower on top of it.). A TF/FC engine NEEDS to idle at about 1000HP to keep the nitromethane burning which is why they sit idling and spitting unburned nitromethane on the start line at a high rate. (they burn about 17 gallons of 90% nitro meth/10% Methanol in a single run(burnout etc which is damn near a full gas tank worth of gas on a regular car.). I believe just the roots blower they use needs 500hp just to spin it as I recall.
      They can't use a traditional clutch. They use about 9 plates that over a run get so hot that they physically weld themselves together. That's a new set of clutch plates every single run taken out of the car by a guy with a very thick set of gloves. So that's 1000HP to 10,000HP in a split second. The end result of that is they use a block about once every 15 runs TOPS, any cracks or not, they just pull it out and sell them down the line to less aggressive Hemi users or send them to be reforged into new blocks of aluminum so they can mill another block. Not rods or other high energy parts...some of them get 6-10 runs tops.
      With that 5,000HP Hemi (which only shares the name with a top fuel Hemi because the TF needs a whole lot of extra reinforcement on to keep it from blowing up the aluminum Hemi block needs to have). It idles at a next to no HP. It just sits there gurgling with enough idle and hp to keep a type of gas(116 octane) that would probably burn if you looked at it wrong to keep burning or there's a Methanol(alcohol) version for a lot of cars too but it depends on the race rules. The end result of that you need cooling(not as much for the Methanol) and a bunch of other systems that suck HP out of that engine.
      On the line, every power adder, nitrous, turbo, procharger or screws(the guys with the huge hats on top of their engines with the butterflies) has to try to replicate those NHRA beasts that suck a room full of air into the engine in literally seconds. They obviously can't due to regulations and physical limits of parts. Even a 5000HP car could NEVER accept a portion of the power a TF/FC engine blips in their power supressed burnouts let alone a starting line race launch.
      And now the point of this post. That 5000HP Hemi is WAY different than a top fuel/funny car Hemi in every way other than the hemispherical heads. Most of all, when someone pushes the button, not only would that head explode if they tried 5000HP through it from almost zero but they'd bust the tires loose every single time. They start off with as much power as they think they can put down and not spin and then it slowly works its way up to 5000 down the run as you can add more and more power without spinning the tires (if you can even make that car do 5000 up to 1000ft or even 1320 feet). What the 5000 does do is it gives you the POTENTIAL for 5000 and with a regular car without a $50,000 carbon fiber body of a funny car with all the other things built to allow the car to do as much of 10,000HP as possible off the line. It should be mentioned that with turbos that engine might start at 1500HP but it would take the slow build up of exhaust going down a run for it to build to 5000HP(if they could make that much with the amount of time they need to build boost safely before the race ends).
      It's why you see a turbo car chase a blower or nitrous car down at the end. Nitrous/Blower car has all the power the engine can do for a good part of the run, the turbo cars slowly build and surpass the power of the blowers/nitrous as the turbos spin faster/generate more boost which means they can add more gas. That's really the point of the power adders. More air means more gas means more explosion means faster car. I chance to bet that the Proline Hemi can't do 5k HP with a blower or nitrous or it would explode with the instant power application. Turbos nicely caress an engine faster and faster as the exhaust of the engine gets higher and higher so the faster you go, the faster you can go.
      And yes I'm a turbo guy...unlike Prochargers and screw blowers(which can steal 150HP from an engine just to spin them because the engine itself has to power them), turbos are run from the exhaust. It's like having your cake and eating it too. Burn your fuel and THEN you use the exhaust from that burned fuel to spin the turbos faster and faster to push more air into your engine so you can burn even more fuel and make even more exhaust. It uses next to no HP from your engine and by the end of a race, as the man said, you could be putting 80 pounds of boost in your engine with a turbo.
      80 pounds of boost from a Blower? The first three lines of seating at a race event would be catching hot pieces of aluminum and trying to juggle them until they cooled down when the engine blew up. Enough nitrous into an engine to general 80 pounds of oxygen(nitrous breaks down mostly into pure oxygen when you heat it. They spray as much as an engine will allow into the engine and hope it doesn't burn something or burst a burst plate or just plain blow the intake off the top of the car. If they did 80 pounds worth of boost off the hit and it would both heat the cylinders/plugs to like 1500 degrees AND THEN it would explode parts into the first three rows of seating. Maybe people could play "try not to get burned by the spark plugs now sitting in their hands".
      WHEW sorry for the book. There's probably some inaccuracies or outright lies in there but it's most of the science for you.

  • @ze_german2921
    @ze_german2921 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is the best breakdown of a Billet aluminum block vs everything else

  • @turbomustang8417
    @turbomustang8417 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Eric has come a long way. Brought my first nitrous kit from him at Barnett Performance.

    • @Lowerhaightstreet
      @Lowerhaightstreet 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed that guy really knows his stuff

    • @justinbrown5083
      @justinbrown5083 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Eric has brought on and opened up the industry to RVW and this kind of power from an engine. He came from racing junk small blocks to this. Truly an amazing story of where him and Steve petty started.

  • @ElTyranto
    @ElTyranto 5 ปีที่แล้ว +56

    Very knowledgeable guy ! Insane Technology that goes into making such a beast of an engine

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      100% Always interesting to hear a bit about the process people have been through to find out what works too. Glad you enjoyed the interview :) - Taz.

  • @omarreyes8722
    @omarreyes8722 5 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    Love HP academy always giving in depth information 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks Omar! Couldn't do it without people like Eric jumping in and sharing their knowledge and experience too :) - Taz.

    • @omarreyes8722
      @omarreyes8722 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hpa101 can't wait for more in depth video's keep em coming bro 🤙🏼🤙🏼🤙🏼

  • @HappyJoyKill
    @HappyJoyKill 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Thanks Andre, this was another top level interview with a youngman who really knew his stuff! Appreciate you covering the fact that aluminium rods have that give to act as a designed weakpoint to save against more catastrophic damages. Also the tidbit about a forged rod bending before it will break was insightful. Great choice of interview as well, Proline being so world famous and on the bleeding edge as Eric described. E Kanoo use their engines so that goes to show the level of customer/racer this company caters to.

  • @2JZLS
    @2JZLS 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Taz is a very good interviewer. Salute.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Andre is the chap in front of the camera, but we'll take the compliment! Glad you enjoyed the video :) - Taz.

  • @thewing331
    @thewing331 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow this guy really knows what he is talking about. Loved watching this. Great vid guy's.

  • @brianhofer99
    @brianhofer99 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Excellent interview, and amazing content. 👍

  • @kevintucker3354
    @kevintucker3354 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That brilliant kid is so smart, that cap he’s wearing barely fits!

  • @TheBousouzoku
    @TheBousouzoku 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    These are great series! I love to see running/driving footage at the end of the vid, even if it's for few seconds:)

  • @kaisuhina8024
    @kaisuhina8024 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Excellent video again! These are always interesting to watch.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thanks Kaisuhina! The team enjoys creating them too. You can pretty much learn at least one new piece of knowledge from anyone, but I think I'm up to about 15 from Eric haha Keep an eye out for the next release and feel free to share this one here for now if you feel like it 😎- Taz 👨🏻

  • @ballinthavx
    @ballinthavx 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Excellent video. Lots of great information here. Thanks for sharing.

  • @ITIRICI
    @ITIRICI 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Every question that popped in my head, you asked. Probably thee best video so far that I have seen. Keep up the great content!

  • @tholmesy26
    @tholmesy26 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some amazing info there and surprising the amount of life out of each component at that level of power. Short of a Shane T video there isnt anyone out there sharing the level of info you do Andre much appreciated :)

  • @kyleshady21
    @kyleshady21 5 ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Proline isn’t the real engine builder here, it’s Alan Johnson. The name is right on the valve cover. Proline just bolts it together but Alan Johnson is the R&D behind everything

    • @nosnerd1967
      @nosnerd1967 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      kyleshady21 incorrect sir . They use billet AJE block and heads ( which they suggested and R&D’d the inadequacies)

    • @raymosworld_8062
      @raymosworld_8062 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ha your funny

    • @MrCarnutbill67
      @MrCarnutbill67 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      AJPE is in the cylinder head not the valve cover you engine genius.

    • @ablejohnson738
      @ablejohnson738 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Alan Johnson.... Isn't that the guy way down yonder by the Chattahoochee?

    • @darrenkastl8160
      @darrenkastl8160 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@ablejohnson738 lol ! I'll bite...... It's Allen Jackson! Lol!

  • @justinhiggins2210
    @justinhiggins2210 5 ปีที่แล้ว +31

    I remember the 94 gatornationals when top fuelers were just grazing 5k hp now there making twice that

    • @zuestoots5176
      @zuestoots5176 5 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      try closer to 11-12,000 hp 1 car last year had a theoretical hp of closer to 15k. No dyno ive seen can take that so its basically just calculations at that point

    • @s.v.gadder1443
      @s.v.gadder1443 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The issues always gonna be putting it down

    • @Baard2000
      @Baard2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I remember in Pomana a record was broken, inofficial, of 314mph.....crowd went Nuts..... Now the tracks are 300 feet shorter.... 340 mph!??!?!? Insane....

    • @Baard2000
      @Baard2000 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In 94 that was... Forgot to mention

    • @thefinalgrind
      @thefinalgrind 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @Mr. Morningstar i think you missed the part about them doing that speed with a 300ft shorter track.

  • @leonwatts6134
    @leonwatts6134 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    mechanical engineering knowledge from a reliable source right there

  • @jd14985
    @jd14985 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Awesome Sauce!!! Would Love to drop one of those in My Ram!!! Maybe one Day!!!! Dream Big, Right!!!

  • @kingmal5284
    @kingmal5284 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Amazing stuff! Keep the videos coming!

  • @velvetjones1856
    @velvetjones1856 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    A great explanation of these amazing engines. 85 psi boost is crazy. So is 5200 hp at the wheel.

  • @crazyman1552
    @crazyman1552 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    love this channel!! i always learn somthing new

  • @Thesongstaysthesame
    @Thesongstaysthesame 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best in the Business.
    Eric Dillard knows his stuff.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      He has an impressive wealth of knowledge - Taz.

  • @joecucch8261
    @joecucch8261 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Wedge heads can come close but the more the fuel carries its own oxygen and or cooling features the more the HEMI displays its superior flame travel abilities.

    • @s.v.gadder1443
      @s.v.gadder1443 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's all about the short block

  • @CarHound
    @CarHound 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    this was very informative!

  • @badass6.0powerstroke10
    @badass6.0powerstroke10 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I like how he kept saying "Aluminum"

  • @igqfresh
    @igqfresh 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Awesome content AF as always!

  • @romangod1547
    @romangod1547 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Perfect interview, lots of good information. Would love to also see a Video attached of this beast running :)

  • @ssoffshore5111
    @ssoffshore5111 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another awesome and informative video!

  • @patrickmoore1017
    @patrickmoore1017 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fantastic interview! Very informative for amateur engine "builders" like myself.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad it was helpful!

  • @mewk
    @mewk 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Best interviewer in the game!!!!

  • @everydayirace
    @everydayirace 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Amazing video, thank you.

  • @danielbrealey2924
    @danielbrealey2924 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very interesting stuff. Love Proline

  • @robmotown1
    @robmotown1 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great informative clip!!! Thanks

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Cheers for watching! Still have a bunch to come from PRI so keep an ear our ;) - Taz.

  • @fatangmo5680
    @fatangmo5680 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    excellent interview

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Wayne =) - Taz.

  • @cxbra
    @cxbra ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Its so insane watching car technology over the past 20 years. I started with Best Motoring, with laggy journal bearing turboes.. Now we're talking about direct injection (not in this video though, just saying), billet blocks and aluminum rods. God bless the combustion engine!

  • @RustyWells2
    @RustyWells2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Pro line is literally taken over the game but it will cost you too play!

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @Malcolm Reynolds motorsport has never been cheap - Taz.

    • @JCA-Z
      @JCA-Z 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Steve morris is just about right there with pro line competition makes for some better products that's for sure.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@JCA-Z more creates more! People forget that sometimes - Taz.

    • @RustyWells2
      @RustyWells2 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@JCA-Z I 💯 percent agree with SM motors they are definitely just as good or even better!

    • @dj4monie
      @dj4monie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @Malcolm Reynolds What game? They aren't racing for free. You can always bracket race doesn't take as much power. There is also Factory Stock, Coyote Stock, LS Stock, Hemi Stock, etc, etc. In the V8 world you have choices. Nobody is holding a gun to your head saying you must run Pro Mod/Top Sportsman.

  • @finlay230
    @finlay230 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    very interesting vid as usual, !!!

  • @bigredracer7848
    @bigredracer7848 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    With block design when will you use the old gmc 637 block that come with 5.125 cylinder bore

  • @fabianfranzmann541
    @fabianfranzmann541 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love it. I am druling over these twin 102 mm turbos. They are so astonishing.
    Love you guys.

  • @billallen4793
    @billallen4793 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video thank you for your hard work!!...from Wyoming USA 🔫🤠

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Our pleasure Bill, glad you enjoyed it =D - Taz.

  • @PH1M0
    @PH1M0 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this engine 🙌

  • @kevintucker3354
    @kevintucker3354 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Damn! When a huge billet forged steel crank becomes the “burst panel” of the engine! Damn

  • @Truthcanbeconfusing
    @Truthcanbeconfusing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well spoken dude

  • @alj2264
    @alj2264 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    One of those proline motors most definitely has to go on my wishlist 😯God knows I can't afford one😕 hilarious..!!

    • @adamhurst9491
      @adamhurst9491 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      That Hemi with a twin turbo alcohol efi setup.starts at 106K.

  • @mopar1465
    @mopar1465 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Wonder if that engine will fit in my amc Pacer?

  • @hugoortiz05
    @hugoortiz05 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to hear someone talk about cylinder heads and the port development that goes into making power

  • @LowFastFamous
    @LowFastFamous 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The man!

  • @johnogo7886
    @johnogo7886 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I need one for my 70 Roadrunner!

    • @adamcroteau8711
      @adamcroteau8711 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hopefully you've got a full tube chassis and bulletproof drivetrain, otherworldly you're gonna have a bad time. Or, you can just do 400 mph wheelspeed burnouts

  • @billwelter4101
    @billwelter4101 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Basically Top Fuel block technology. Without a water jacket, and billet, much stronger!

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Bill Welter but crap at drag week. Try doing 10miles let alone 1000miles. Just crap. There are 5000hp cars doing drag week.

    • @WattsUpDev
      @WattsUpDev 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nor Dic Crap! That’s bullshit! Proline have dominated the competition, shit your lazy uneducated mouth.

  • @shoegum7362
    @shoegum7362 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    What about steel vs titanium rods, forged vs billet?

  • @bradpittman5075
    @bradpittman5075 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Super cool.

  • @danmyers9372
    @danmyers9372 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great engine for those with very thick wallets. The hemi engine likes high rpm which is very hard on parts. I believe rods typically are changed out after 20 runs!

    • @kingdommusic5456
      @kingdommusic5456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and stevie fast sometimes after only 15 passes

  • @69NOMAN69
    @69NOMAN69 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    thanks for replacing my roadkill fix.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Man that's a huge compliment mate! Thanks! I miss it too - Taz

  • @tighematthew
    @tighematthew 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Proline the world

  • @J1Z06
    @J1Z06 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5200hp, that's insane!!! I can't imagine the feeling from acceleration. Would a Pro Charger make more?

    • @Procharmo
      @Procharmo 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No only up to 4400hp at the moment. But more control and reliability means faster runs.

  • @dixiemudtoy
    @dixiemudtoy 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wonder if / when we will get to an age of carbon fiber blocks sleeved / affixed with billet or Ti where necessary. Imagine the rigidity and weight reduction on an engine of this size and density if the bulk of it were CF

    • @myfagan
      @myfagan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I like the potential with this idea. I dont see why not unless the vibrations will crack the carbon fiber.

    • @joshreynolds729
      @joshreynolds729 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or melt the shit out of it when the sleeve heats up.

  • @thatspsychotic
    @thatspsychotic 5 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    How long before we see carbon fiber connecting rods in this kind of application? Being able to lay up carbon to provide the lengthwise cushioning of aluminium but with much higher yield strength, thread holding ability, fatigue resistance and significantly lower bob weight sounds like the perfect application for carbon.

    • @02honeydew
      @02honeydew 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Someone has made carbon rods but I think it was for the Coyote platform and I don't think it's for this power level. I wonder if there's carbon rods that can handle this power level out there yet

    • @von...
      @von... 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@02honeydew heres the article about the LS carbon fiber rods: www.lsxmag.com/tech-stories/engine/naimo-composites-developing-ls-carbon-fiber-connecting-rods/

    • @cantho11
      @cantho11 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      02honeydew will the heat fatigue the carbon rod?

    • @02honeydew
      @02honeydew 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cantho11 I'm sure it will depending upon temp but I'm not expert for sure. That's why I'm thinking maybe for this level of racing it may be good because from what little I understand about race fuels, they tend to burn at much lower temp so it should reduce over all engine temp during the combustion cycle at lease (I think) and keep the rods safer running ridiculous power levels like he was saying. I'm definitely not an expert but hopefully we start seeing more carbon rods in the near future and see what they can do.

    • @02honeydew
      @02honeydew 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@von... Not the original rods I had seen before but I really like that someone is taking the initiative to start the technology for a targeted market that doesn't feel like wasting money buying a Lamborghini just to experience this stuff. Really exciting.

  • @twilightsuzuka6252
    @twilightsuzuka6252 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would it be a bad idea to put this engine in a Boss Hoss motorcycle ?

  • @chargeduphellcat4937
    @chargeduphellcat4937 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    not surprised by a hemi v8 these things were always a monster i wish ls wasnt the swap these days hemi should lol but yeah mopar crate engines are kinda expensive in general...

    • @geneticrex
      @geneticrex 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The basic architecture is still 426 HEMI. From the bore spacing, to the intake/exhaust spacing, the dual shaft rockertrain, plug location, chamber shape, pan rail, distributor location, cross-bolted mains, etc., etc. The ONLY engine that plays in this league that still maintains that many similarities to the original design.
      The 481X, that's commonly referred to as the "chevy" style engine, is a FAR cry from the BBC platform in every respect.

    • @geneticrex
      @geneticrex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not a single part of ANY race engine is from the original manufacturer, but the HEMI architecture is FAR closer to it's original design than ANY of the other makes, including the 481X.

  • @bigredracer7848
    @bigredracer7848 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Do you use a 2 3 and 4 7 swap cam firing order

    • @zuestoots5176
      @zuestoots5176 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Believe that was a SBC thing

    • @nzsaltflatsracer8054
      @nzsaltflatsracer8054 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zuestoots5176 I've done it on my 638" turbo'd Keith Black, it's really a HP versus torque decision.

  • @Formula1-Dave
    @Formula1-Dave 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is there a video explaining the whole drive train of drag car. From fuel tank to rubber on the track.

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not from us in one single video sorry. We probably have that across multiple videos although they won't all be exactly the same when it comes to different cars in different classes. Sorry I couldn't help you on that one - Taz.

    • @Formula1-Dave
      @Formula1-Dave 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@hpa101 thank you

  • @whitewalker9622
    @whitewalker9622 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    how does these guys get the power to the ground?

    • @bdubz5150
      @bdubz5150 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The tunes will be constantly changed or adapted to the car/track variables. Check out the 11,000hp TF pro mods that people like Scotty Palmer are playing around with now. I think I have yet to see a full solid pass happen in one of those cars. With race engine technology getter better, and higher and higher HP these days.... like your question implies, how are these guys going to solve the power to ground issues?... Good question, and most relevant. Tom Bailey seems to have a good handle on that with his cars @ 4000-5000 hp, but as HP increases so will traction issues. It'll boil down to IF ever or WHEN and under what conditions you tune it to allow full power to hit the wheels during a run.

  • @cjbert6790
    @cjbert6790 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Holy alla-meen-eeum Batman!

  • @thefngoat2888
    @thefngoat2888 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a stock 392 with twin turbos 5200 HP 👌

    • @dj4monie
      @dj4monie 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No it's billet, Nitro Burner technology funny guy.

  • @kevintucker3354
    @kevintucker3354 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why not titanium rods? Or even pistons?

  • @Garage35Racing
    @Garage35Racing 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool...!

  • @cobrasvt347
    @cobrasvt347 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This engine would be right at home in a Prius.

  • @Themayseffect
    @Themayseffect 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you already done a video on "mirror image" turbos and why they aren't popular yet on average?

    • @Themayseffect
      @Themayseffect 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Never read anything about "shitty" reputation. Just over priced, that company being NRE. Which I would assume is the only reason why most people don't gravitate towards proprietary technology. But Garrett turbos just released a line of "reverse spin" turbines in the recent year or so, but haven't seen a lot of people use these in the public market place.

    • @Whance_Chilkins
      @Whance_Chilkins 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Garrett has mirror image turbos now I believe.

    • @slowvette7189
      @slowvette7189 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Nobody fast runs anything NRE products. Tina pierce is the only person I know that runs his turbos. NRE has a bad rep.

    • @Themayseffect
      @Themayseffect 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      bad rep how? Unreliability or bad service? I haven't seen any actual customer make a notable post on forums or youtube claiming something horrible. I've heard critics say the same thing about bad rep on Steve Morris builds and other notable turbo tuners, yet, no major real world facts surrounding any notable problems. Did this Tina Pierce person claim any issues?

    • @slowvette7189
      @slowvette7189 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Themayseffect It was his customer service after the sale. People couldn’t get tech support from him. I saw a one or two complaints on yellow bullet. Honestly though just look at dragweek, any no prep, Donald longs radials races and tell me how many racers you see with NRE equipment. I haven’t come across any complaints on Steve Morris and his motors but he just rode with a customer in drag week and won first place in big tire or whatever the top category was at drag week.

  • @G5Hohn
    @G5Hohn 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    That’s a serious Kiwi

  • @0zmosis2001
    @0zmosis2001 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    does anybody know if a titanium block has ever been made I know it would be stupid expensive but it would have to be damn near indestructible

    • @kalashnikovcortez1380
      @kalashnikovcortez1380 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not going to happen
      www.quora.com/What-are-the-benefits-and-disadvantages-of-using-an-automotive-engine-block-cast-of-Titanium

    • @5oclockshadowbanned154
      @5oclockshadowbanned154 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kalashnikovcortez1380 what about billet ?

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Even a solid billet 6Al4v, called grade 5 titanium, would never be as hard as a steel block. Titanium has a yeild strength of 150kpsi heat treated and hardness of about Rockwell 39c. That's about as hard as stainless cutlery.
      A billet d2 tool steel block however has a yield strength of over 230kpsi and a surface hardness of up to Rockwell 62c when heat treated. Even annealed it is still nearly as hard and tough as titanium at its maximum. The problem with steel is the weight and with titanium is the tooling to cut it and the cost.
      Aluminum that they use for these blocks in nowhere near as strong, only 23kpsi yield, it is much more walkable, much easier to marching, has a density 60% that of titanium and 40% that of steel and takes shapes better.because it can be cut after.heat treatment. Both titanium and steel would have to be.heat treated after machining and would probably not survive the kiln.
      There as very few aluminum engine blocks that have iron or steel bedplates that are a main bearing girdle that the headstuds anchor into as well.
      There are several exotic aluminum alloys that really come close to 100kpsi yield but they suffer the same fate as titanium. Harder to marching, hard to weld, not as dimensionally stable at temperature.
      Even before the exotic materials ban, take a look at what f1 used for engine blocks and it will be some aerospace aluminum alloy billet block and maybe forged head but prob billet. It just works, and works well.

  • @TheInvertedFollicle507
    @TheInvertedFollicle507 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The power/torque/RPM produced in some of these race engines puts so-called "hypercars" to absolute shame.

  • @timothy7754
    @timothy7754 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    What fuel do they run on those high hp engines?

  • @TheAbrahamsoto01
    @TheAbrahamsoto01 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    On wich engine that 550 Hemi engine is based on? 5.7, 6.1, 6.4 or it's an Hemi build from the scratch.. Or it is not an Gen Hemi at all??

    • @geneticrex
      @geneticrex 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's based on the 1964 426ci HEMI engine with 4.800 bore spacing.

  • @AkioWasRight
    @AkioWasRight 4 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    He kept asking "aluminium" questions just to trigger him.

    • @fokjohnpainkiller
      @fokjohnpainkiller 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Lmao

    • @hoonaticbloggs5402
      @hoonaticbloggs5402 4 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      emdec55
      Good. At least Aussies respect the language 🇬🇧🇦🇺

    • @felix8289
      @felix8289 4 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@hoonaticbloggs5402 Americans don't need to have "respect" for "the language", they have their own way of saying things, just like Aussies. In fact, "aluminium" came after "aluminum", and both came before "alumium". If you wanted to be strict about things, you're pronouncing it wrong. Australians are actually using the most deviated version of it because they've followed the English.

    • @jackzakowski6952
      @jackzakowski6952 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@hoonaticbloggs5402 "Roi-spect 'nd spoike proi-Phah Oing-glish, yah facking Americore! Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi Oi! 'STRAYA, 'STRAYA, 'STARYA, M8TY!!!!"

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Felix as an Ozzie I can understand most of the American language.

  • @doublevanoz
    @doublevanoz 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Does a hemi flow more per L than a LS based V8??

    • @dj4monie
      @dj4monie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Of course billet heads.... Big Block

    • @doublevanoz
      @doublevanoz 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Anthony Thomas sounds more than I can handle. I'll smack up a single cam 6

    • @chrishamilton2559
      @chrishamilton2559 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dj4monie nothing that you said makes any sense. I think the real difference in ability between the LS and Hemi architecture comes down to chamber shapes. If the Hemi does in fact flow more c.f.m. per liter, it would surely be due to this.
      Both engine types have machined billet heads

    • @SSGTA440
      @SSGTA440 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      The hemi Mopar head is of a cross flow design...the LS head is an inline, or what is commonly a "reverse flow" design, that is, the intake/exhaust charge has to change direction as it moves across the piston in the chamber. With the Mopar hemi type or a cross flow type head, the charge goes straight thru. The result here, is that the hemi yields a much higher level of volumetric efficiency, hence the hemi design will also be able to create far higher levels of horsepower. The LS is OK, but is not in the same league as the hemi..

  • @SCC4221
    @SCC4221 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    if I ever win the lotto I won't tell anyone but there will be signs lol...these bad boy motors in my holden street cars

  • @kevintucker3354
    @kevintucker3354 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Turning a piston reciprocal engine into essentially a turbine engine with 5,000 hp. I don’t doubt this type of engine will be streetable in the beer future!

    • @kevintucker3354
      @kevintucker3354 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Ok yeah, I’m drinking beer and meant to say near...you got me!

  • @jasonhervey7400
    @jasonhervey7400 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is that the boosted ego car in the background

  • @Crawlerworkz2023
    @Crawlerworkz2023 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So its a topfuel motor setup with turbos instead of a blower and running nitro

    • @ericrobison8591
      @ericrobison8591 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not sure, but I think it's running alcohol instead of Nitro.

    • @nordic5490
      @nordic5490 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      KsD Hobbies hardly. 2.5L 4 cylinder cars are running 140psi and 3000hp now. The 2 valve head is holding it back.

    • @Al-mx6ru
      @Al-mx6ru 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nordic5490 really weres the video? I dnt think so

    • @grandnatty172
      @grandnatty172 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@nordic5490 hey, so throw 140 psi at this thing and see what she does! Lol also have to remember, it's 85 psi to make 5,200hp to the wheel, not the crank. Probably closer to 6,000 HP to the crank. So I'd say double the psi at 140 psi on a 4 cylinder to make half the power seems realistic lol.

  • @jonahlevenstein9124
    @jonahlevenstein9124 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is This a Charlie Buck product??

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Does he work for Proline? - Taz.

  • @shawnjacobi8717
    @shawnjacobi8717 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    481x making 5600 hp crazy! If you would just run it at 2000 hp would it last 10 times longer?

    • @dj4monie
      @dj4monie 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its not a 481, it's a Billet Chrysler based Hemi. Standard Nitro stuff here just ran on whatever and got turbos attached to it.

    • @popalock85
      @popalock85 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Good question I wish someone would answer...

    • @geneticrex
      @geneticrex 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      No 481X has come close to 5600hp.

  • @mikeg4163
    @mikeg4163 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So the fuel guys had the engine design and cylinder pressure issue soled already... 12000 HP nitro engine platform to the rescue...

  • @DriveSafeDon
    @DriveSafeDon 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Big Chef needs this engine in the crow
    🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸

    • @marcusshivers5231
      @marcusshivers5231 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree

    • @joshreynolds729
      @joshreynolds729 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      I think he has a proline In The crow already I think it's the 481x 572 ci twin turbo set up. Dont think it's this 1 though.

  • @matthewvarnam4302
    @matthewvarnam4302 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I know that pro line engines are but I didn't know they are that good. These engines are built strong I didn't realize how good how strong and durable. I Wonder how much heat temperature it can take and for how long. But I day this pro line engine is just bad a$$. Go Ryan Martin fireball camaro, Daddy Dave, Monza they run a pro line engine twin turbo setup.

  • @THESLlCK
    @THESLlCK 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    the secret to getting American and Australian engines to make power is as simple as adding displacement, and chanting "these damn europeans" right before launch for an extra 500 hp

  • @prtyof4156
    @prtyof4156 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Eric looks like he could be Jeff Lutz's son! LoL

    • @danielbrealey2924
      @danielbrealey2924 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Surprisingly, Jeff Lutz jnr looks nothing like his Dad. He's twice the size

    • @s.v.gadder1443
      @s.v.gadder1443 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Heads to big

  • @thundergod6173
    @thundergod6173 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Be awsome to see where they are in 10 years. Also would love to see instead of 5 thousand then 6,7,8,9,10,000 HP make a 5,000 HP plus motor that you can run hard like a daily driver where you dont need a rebuild every run get 100 thousand miles before you even have to change the plug only wrenching you have to do before that change the oil. Be great.

    • @zuestoots5176
      @zuestoots5176 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      this engine in a street car at about 2000hp would last a long fucking time. Good oil and no racing, i bet it would make 100k or better in a road driving car.

  • @tjpotts7622
    @tjpotts7622 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Show the motor more during the discussion

  • @SR_KSERIES
    @SR_KSERIES 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    BILLET all?

  • @skidmarks5952
    @skidmarks5952 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Eric started proline with doug patton when he was only 26 from memory. He also races pro mods himself. Proline 481x is the only engine to have if u want to compete in promod , radial and outlaw.
    2/3 of street outlaws running proline.
    I was hoping u would do a proline feature. Please try and get an interview with steve petty.( prolines go to tuner)

    • @adamhurst9491
      @adamhurst9491 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Their Hemi the engine they are talking about in this video is better than the 481x. In fact most of Prolines Promod customers use their Hemi. In.fact I can't think of a single one that still runs the 481x.

    • @keefespencer2759
      @keefespencer2759 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@adamhurst9491 Daddy Dave runs a 481x engine

    • @geneticrex
      @geneticrex 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      The boosted HEMI is top dog in Promod and everywhere else maximum horsepower is required as long as the rulesmakers, or the track surface don't hinder performance.
      The 481X is 2nd dog.

  • @69NOMAN69
    @69NOMAN69 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    haas vf 5 5 axis and you can make one

  • @minhazhaque5340
    @minhazhaque5340 ปีที่แล้ว

    Price?

    • @hpa101
      @hpa101  ปีที่แล้ว

      You'll have to ask directly, I'm not sure sorry: www.prolineracing.net/ - Taz.