110 PSI At 80,000 RPM Turbo Speed | Worlds Quickest 4 Cylinder | Jett Racing [TECH TALK]
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ค. 2024
- This is what the worlds quickest compound turbocharged 4 cylinder drag car looks like 😳
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Jett Racing recently reset the world record with a 6.20 at 229 mph with their 2200HP, 110 PSI compound turbocharged 4g63 monster. Collin Willshire gives Andre a huge amount of detail on the Garrett GT4240 primary and GTX55 secondary turbo setup and the advantages it gives over their previous single turbo setup. Also discussed are compressor maps/turbo efficiency and heat issues along with how the new compound setup is only operating at around 80,000 RPM at 110 PSI compared to the previous system that saw the system that hit 120,000 and much higher heat levels.
With a Bullet Race Engineering billet block, in house produced billet cylinder head, pistons and rods, HKS camshafts and a MoTeC M150 ECU is all built and tuned to safely withstand the abuse and Collin drops some interesting points on the interchangeability of the aftermarket heads and block with factory variants.
Collin also gives us some details on the monster methanol fueling setup which includes a Kinsler mechanical pump and 2750cc Siemens Deka injectors, which there are 5 of…..for each cylinder!
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I love this guy's format of interviewing racers. He knows his stuff and sometimes the interviewee is not really prepared for how much he knows.
Good stuff.
Best regards,
Jim Stanley
Ex AMG Powertrain Engineer.
When he's not trying to kill Superman, he's really passionate about vehicle performance.
A man of many talents - Taz.
I like how when you interview some dudes, they act like your just some car reporter until you whip out some shit that makes them think lmao Then there's the phase were they're trying to catch up to your questions and then they just dont stop talking engines, its awesome lol Thank you for the information you provide us with! Keep up the hard work!
Why would they think that? If they are familiar with Andre's company and remember he had the fastest AWD EVO in the world at one point, so lots of people in AU/NZ know who he is anyway.
@@dj4monie I was gonna put a caveat saying "I dont know what Andre's relation to any of these people or what they know of him" but it seems like it happens more than once when he interviews. I'm not bashing anyone, especially the team guys, it was just an observation. Shit, I watch almost all of Andre's videos and didn't know he was AWD king (Sorry and Go Andre!)
We've known Colin for probably around 10 years now and this might be the third time we've interviewed him (I think...) so he's fortunately quite familiar with my style and line of questioning :) Andre
@@hpa101 Well I was completely mistaken then lol Disregard!
I'm still trying to make sense of 22 odd injectors to run this thing and a possible (inevitable) 5sec pas from a 4 cylinder. Amazing.
It's cool when even Andre is blown away with 5 injectors per cylinder. That reaction was priceless.
I love the idea of using what is essentially an electronic throttle body as a BOV!
their BOV "throttle body" is bigger than the actual throttle body on my 3.0l Inline 6 lmao
Content like this should be the reason why TH-cam exists. Even though I only understand half of the information offered, the quality and depth of it is evident. Keep up the great work.
Also I could watch these videos for the accent alone, so intriguing.
It is the reason why the internet exist. I can't speak for those that rather be entertained, I find this very entertaining.
Brilliant work as usual Andre and a Huge Thanks and Thumbs Up to Collin for the free flowing insight !!!!
5 injectors per cylinder...wow!
Think about it, 500 hp per cylinder, when you need (1 per cylinders) ID2000's to get 500+ hp out of all 4 cylinders
you do not need 2000cc injectors to make 500+ on a 4 cyl but it also boils down to the type of fuel you are running. you need a monster fuel system if you run on alcohol at high hp levels. my current set up on my civic is 1000cc injectors on a 450 pump and the car currently make 502whp on 91 pump gas.
@@trickdacy6865 he means 500 hp PER cylinder, not the whole engine. so 2000hp in total
@@trickdacy6865 2000hp, not 500hp. It's also not just about the output but also reliability, accuracy, fuel choice and 'driveability' when it comes to injector set-ups - Taz.
High Performance Academy I wonder what sort of electrical drain running that many injectors has?
This is cutting edge shit of the highest quality!,5 injectors per cylinder,120psi!! boost.you the man Colin, and you to Andre!
Andre, once again your interviews are a joy to watch and listen to - and this vid being no exception to your knowledge and articulate nature to your questions.
Thanks also to Colin for sharing all the great information in this video!
It's amazing to see this race tho the 5's between Mazworks and JETT. Both Shane and Collin are Tuning God's. It soooooo cool to get a peek into their minds, and see that compound turbo charging has been on their minds for a few years, and each figuring it out. Thanks Andre for asking all the right questions in these interviews! Makes a backyard tuner like myself feel a lil more professional hearing these guys have the same thoughts we do! AWESOME INTERVIEWS GUYS!!
Outstanding coverage guys. Love the content.
Thanks for the indepth interview Colin and Andre, as always fantastic questions and amazing detail by both men. Amazing where the industry is going or more precisely that they keep coming up with ways to go faster and faster!!!
Great interview. I’m fascinated by these compound turbo set ups
As someone who met Ak Miller, and was turbocharging a 2 liter back in 1980, I found this absolutely fascinating. I really wish there had been more information and help back then. The whole idea of compounding has been on my mind for years, but never saw more than a few photos until now.
G Kuljian Ak Miller (NHRA co-founder, Bonneville and Pikes Peak Hall of fame member, etc.) built my and a lot of the import drag racing pioneer’s (Honda) turbo kits in Los Angeles, California in the 90s. He went 200mph+ in a turbo Ford Pinto at Bonneville.
Imagine where we'd be now if we had this kind of data back in the 80's.
I can remember Ak Miller's articles in Hot Rod magazine mostly on the factory turbo cars of the time, the Corvair and the Olds F85 with the 215 aluminum V8. I can remember him discussing methanol/ water injection in dealing with pre ignition. Not much if any recollection of intercoolers or BOV's but i do remember waste gates being mentioned. I remember the prevailing belief that the sizing of turbo to engine was a critical consideration. As i recall there was a belief that there was not much leeway.
Loving these vids!
Thanks for these quality interviews!!
Great, love these in depth interviews. They're actually educational. Thanks Hp
Andre always asked the right questions.
#nailedit! Thanks Dub! - Taz.
Phenomenal tech info again!! Thank you!
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Had A prototype that made my car able to run full timing advance at full throttle. It's like running very high octane fuel.
Made A video about it on my page.
After the video, I destroyed the prototype but I can always build A new one.
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Not a big fan of watching people talk but these videos are absolutely professional and informative. I find myself clinging on every sentence excellent interviews and break down of information for us simpletons! Thank you for your contribution to the boosted community
I'm at a lot of conferences, myriad of topics. The one thing that holds true; get a speaker who is charismatic and an expert in their given field and you'll find your attention span widen significantly.
Edit: oops. These two are no exception. Great interview.
All the interviews he does is great
Very informed and interesting...
Thanks mate! Glad you enjoyed it :) - Taz.
Wow! That is crazy. Compounding a 2ltr 4 cylinder, Gale Banks would be proud. Also 5 injectors per cylinder!! Epic.
Mazworx Shane T has the sr20 which is three turbo.
Really?! I wonder if that is beginning to be overkill on the sr20?
@@boosthit811 Why, Andre talked to Shane about, you didn't get a notification???? Compounding for ultra high output 4 cylinder is the next logical step you can only go so big with a turbo before response is impacted negatively even with anti-lag, 2 steps and nitrous oxide. I run nitrous oxide to get next frame turbo output out of a smaller turbo that is still responsive enough to be fun for daily use.
No I haven't seen that video. Sound good tho.
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No no, the next logical step would be starting to work with something that has a bit higher oxygen percentage than air, maybe pure oxygen. Now, i know this sounds completlx insane but let me ask you this question: what is more insane, trying to compound a little 4 cylinder to get over 110 psi, wich are around 7,58 bar or just enhance the oxygen percentage so much that you could run without a secondary turbo ;D? I mean, regular gas needs around 14,7:1 fuel-air ratio and nitromethan needs around 1.7:1, so probably would benefit a lot from that, if there wouldn't the high corrosion risk :D. I read about some guys that used an oxygen-CO2 mixture to prevent to much damage .
Interviewer doing a brilliant job!
What a great in depth conversation. Well done guys.
Wow what a great insight to an awesome Aussie race car and team well done Jett Racing and thanks HPA
I love this channel. Keep up the great work.
Thanks mate! - Taz.
Simply insane power from a 4 cylinder.Great interview and totally understandable for non tech heads.
Incredible, great job guys! Thanks for content!
Thanks for the kind words mate! Glad you enjoyed it :) - Taz.
I love this channel ❤. So intricately informative.
Great stuff. Surprised you don’t have more subscribers!
Everytime I'm going through my vehicle performance/technology subs as soon as I hear that it's this channel (yes I hear it) I think, "Great, this will be thoroughly informative yet not impossible to understand for a layman like myself." 👍
2750cc times 5 per cylinder! is there any room for air left?
That's just insane
Sure 100+ psi @ likely 100-110 cfm is a ton of air...
Id guess about 10 liters. in 6 seconds.
5gal/.25miles. Lol
James Nichols I live my life 5 gallons at a time.
This channel is really great, thanks for getting some of the details out of these folks.
Cheers for watching Brian! - Taz.
It's great hearing Shane T's approach with the charge air cooling with coolers vs evaporative cooling of methanol that Jett uses. Great Interview as always!
But it's not really a debate, charge cooling or cooling with fuel. Jett cools with fuel, nothing wrong with that but burns up a ton of fuel. I doubt the Mazworkz car runs that many injectors. Indy car used to run pre-turbo methanol injectors for cooling since they didn't use intercoolers in those days.
That's not Shane T tho? am I missing something?
@@nickacelvn Shane t talks about an SR he tunes where first thing he did was re fit the intercooler.
Great interview.
The level of detail was incredible.
extreme tuners listen up! 2200whp off a fully LEGIT 4g63
Yeah that is not a 4g63. It has the dimensions of a 4g63, but the block and head materials, engineering, strength etc, is a very long way from a Mitsubishi 4g63.
Still, awesome.
@@stevenkelby2169 ik what u mean. its all billet and not a stock 4g cast but its still a rough 4g design made from a stronger better material so i consider it a 4g. im not one of those ppl that just calls it a "dart block" or "bullet block" its a race application of mitsubishi's core design hence 4g
@@ogswagkillapbeastmode694 What he means is there is hardly anything left of the original engine. It just has the same basic dimensions and component locations.
When you're making a whole new billet block + all forged internals + all new head it hardly even matters what engine you started out with. People have done this sort of thing with Honda engines, Nissan engines, Toyota engines, VW engines, basically any engine there is a good supply of aftermarket parts for. When you've got 50k$+ to spend on an engine you could make a Lada produce 1000+hp.
Great interview 👍
It’s crazy how much power 4 cylinders put out and many are more reliable then bigger engines
Thanks for the interview.
also something to note is that when you add pressure to the inlet of the secondary turbo, the pressure ratio across the secondary's compressor can remain the same but you can achieve much higher boost pressure. in other words this means you can keep your secondary compressor within its optimal pressure ratio zone while drastically increasing its volumetric output (pressure, flow)
also, you can think of compounding as turbocharging a turbo that is turbocharging the engine
Madness !! What a monster
Awesome build and enter view
Andre makes it very easy to understand the tech.
Great interview
Another great video. Lots of info, be very interesting to know how all the air pipe plumbing works too
Picture a garden hose for each cylinder, 4 hoses, at full bore!
Really love these tech talks
Again i am amazed. This is madness but it is the greatest madness i have ever seen. I would love to help working in such an amazing piece of technologie. Sadly Drag Racing isnt as big in germany as i would like it to be. Also i am living a rural part and there are no drag strips or tuners. Thank you for showing me the amazing world of drag racing technologie and engine tuning. Love you guys.
Move.... We can always use more people in the hobby. You have to move mountains in some places, don't bother with that. Europe as a whole is more interested in circuit racing where rules are always limiting power to try to keep a level playing field. Drag Racing has already been what you got and do you have enough?
Dont move, you have the Nurburgring. Circuit racing is far more skilful for the driver and puts the car under more strain than 8-12sec of WOT in a straight with no lateral G forces trying to starve your engine of oil
It's amazing to finally see compounding turbo charging slowly enter the gas engine cars. Clearly its the future. This is historic.
Truly awesome!
Wow yes! Takes a lot of Methanol to make 2200hp out of only a 4cyl engine and I could imagine how long that engine would last with running 110psig +10,000 rpm!
A lot of people are not good interviewees. Especially people with a lot of information floating around in their heads like Collin. It's easy to go off on related tangents. A good interviewer tracks this and corals the interview back on path. A great interviewer does all of that plus understands the concepts, translates for the viewers, and keeps the interview productive and moving forward.
Andre did a great job here. This is my first time watching this channel.
Thanks for kind words Joe! I'll make sure Andre sees your comment and I hope you enjoy getting stuck into some of the other videos we have. The Proline Racing (Eric) and Shane T interviews from the same event are where I recommend you start if you enjoyed Collins interview here =) - Taz.
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Awesome conversation again, really interesting. Still blows my mind thinking about 2lt engines making over a couple thousand hp.
Tdl Australia 1.5L F1 engines made 1500hp in qualifying 30years ago making full noise for more than1 entire minute not 6secs.
I was actually folly enough not to immediately notice that the RPM was in reference to the turbo. I clicked on this video so fast thinking "bollocks there's an engine that revs even half that high" only to realize in the first few seconds "oh wait, but turbos can"
Good stuff.
F1 fans would have eaten him alive for his secrets 😂😂😂
yeah looking forward for jett racing team to finally break the 5 second mark with the 4g63 eclipse, and would like to see them work on a 6g72 engine as well hehe.
Why do you do it?
@@dj4monie why the not?, or better yet on a 6g75 mivec engine , the heads on those engine have been said to flow better than an LS7
Fantastic video! Do you think we can get a video on the rb26 engine running vvt
How do u think an s2000 motor f20c v-tec would go in an all billet block and head with a compound set-up colin ?
What a/r double v band housing does the gt4202 have on it? I’ve seen quite a few different a/r sizes on those and 1.01 1.15 1.28 etc what sizing and what is the reasoning behind choosing that? What size compressor wheel and why?
What a crazy engine!
(In a good way crazy)
4g63 design still kicking ass! DSM!!!
What sort of ignition system is used ? presumably still single plug
whats the difference between a biturbo and a compound turbo application wise?
What do they use for a harmonic balancer for that engine?
have no idea about anything that was said, but it's interesting and liked the video
its nice too see old school trix in the top runners compound turbo's, injecting fuel too keep cool
Now this is an amazing feat indeed.
CANT GET OVER HOW MANY TIMES HE SAID "YEA LOOK BLLAHA BLHA BLAH"
No better interviewer on TH-cam
Good, old Mitsu!
As a V8 guy. This is incredibly impressive. Excellent interview.
Cheers! Glad to hear you enjoyed it and cheers for the comment. There are people doing amazing things out there with engines, big and small 😎 - Taz.
how about a Variable Geometry compound turbo set up has anyone tried doing that?, that would really help spool the turbo a lot faster and could possibly eliminate turbo lag .
All hail the 4G63
Is it still a 4g63????I don't think so
Dirk Diggler if it’s same dimensions it’s the same
@@lucassturgin8710 it's a billet block......lots of billet stuff on it???So tell me more how 4g63 is it???
It’s literally all 4g63 internals just cause it’s a got a block strong to make more power doesn’t make it not a 4g63 if the motor never existed non of his parts would exist either it’s a 4g63
@@lucassturgin8710 Okay if you say so.Let's just say it's a Billet 4g63.....They run electric waterpump....external oil pump blah blah.Go put the billet block next to the Factory Block and tell me how much alike they are....I'm not hating here its very impressive.I think these guys run a billet Head too thats designed way different than OEM...
very inspirational air
4g63 powahhh.. Wuuuu
4g63 Mad scientist
Goddamn this is so good. It's like crack. Nobody does this better. Addicted.
More Cylinders ?! Marty, where we’re going we don’t need more cylinders.
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Holy shit! 5 injectors per cylinder😯😯😯🤯
And then! Some in the intake too😯
Andre, just curious, why did you leave your previous business/job of creating drag monsters like this one? I remember you mentioned it in your webinar. I'm sorry if this has been thoroughly discussed earlier.
Great build nonetheless!
He mentioned the 2.4 liter briefly, what is defining the displacement, bore, and stroke geometry? Is it regulations on shared componentry with production stuff, convinience, or strength?
Aheitchoo the Mitsubishi 4G63 is a 2.0ltr engine, and there was also a 4G64 that was the 2.4ltr you mentioned.
Mazworkz s15 is on the corner with the new setup.....lets see.....
As soon as some of the better tracks open for the season, it's ON.
don't worry as collin willshire said they are currently on the developmental stage of these new compound turbo set-up, they are still trying to look for the best combination to make these thing work perfectly, goodluck to your mazworx team mate =)
Wow that’s crazy
There are a few that have gone faster now I believe but they're all working at this level to do so. Glad you enjoyed this one - Taz.
@@hpa101 Taz, thanks for the reply, and thanks to everyone at HPA you folks are doing the lords work. They don’t teach you about compound turbos in school. At least, not any school I went to.. 🤣
Can you get these guys on the street outlaws circuit?
No power under 9000rpm?? Wow
I'm not trying to bicker with you quoting the billet 4G63 block has the OEM DNA, but IMO its more like 4G63 design. Because as from my understanding, there are no OEM material actually in that billet block.
the weakness off the orginal 4G63 had been redesigned for this billet item and super improved to not lift heads without a headgasket at that power and boost.
It's a prettu amazing piece really.
Why is this non-important fact like to be debated until the cows come home? The real issue is serious output is out of the reach of the average enthusiast. It always has been, because leading edge technology comes at a price and you have to be willing to get to a point to where you need help from people smarter than yourself. There is no reason really to have more than 500 hp in a 4 cylinder car on the street. In-fact it would be fun at 350-400 hp and you can keep the majority of your stock parts. I have goals that require 600-650 hp and I don't close doors otherwise I try to apaise purist while they don't donate a dollar to help me.
"yee we rawn 5 injectahs peh cylinda" his mouth drops lololol 20 minutes marker
My daily driver has a very narrow power band , in fact its so narrow I haven't even found it yet , I drive a Rolls Canhardly > Rolls down hills and Can hardly get back up them
Does anyone know if he’s now running in the 5s?
At some point, you wonder why the 4-cylinders or any number of cylinders are still there? At 110 psi boost that is a 8.5:1 compression ratio without ANY pistons or cylinders. Just take that the air, run it into a can, spraying in the fuel and burn it! Then run the exhaust to the turbos' exhaust turbines. Take the turboshafts and run it to the gear box. Voila! You got yourself a turboshaft engine. They can be made very power dense. How dense? Something 200kg in weight -- about the same as a chevy smallblock V8 or a turbocharged V6 -- and about the same size can get you about 3000shp. Not bad!
Why not try a mitsubishi 6G75 engine made of billet bullet engine block technology(crankshaft ,piston rods ,piston ,cylinder head) capable of 5000 hp and put your design on that one using a compound turbo and let see how it turns out to be.
80000 rpm WOW
you fall under your power band spray mos into the compressor side of turbo so the force of the nos spools up the turbo eliminateing lag
4:23 is that guy the “rabid old man” from that video of him barking all crazy like?
The worlds Quickest and fastest 4 cylinder is Larry McBrides Top Fuel Bike 5.61 @ 249 mph but has gone as fast as 258mph
When I saw the title, I was wondering how the hell you find a fuel pump that can handle that on a 4cyl.
Very secretive about crankshaft choice😎 I'm sure it was none of the names he mentioned haha
Winberg is the best 4g63 crank i know of so either that or a Bryant
looks like its a winberg
@@Realtime1501 marine crankshafts are up there also
I used to do some panel work on this car im pre sure its inhouse crank like the block and head
Forged unobtainium.