I know you said no vanilla but SFK would be a great mythic. Fair length, interesting pulls, neat shortcut opportunities. I'd like to see a low level turned into m+
I always liked Forge of Souls from Wotlk expansion, it's pretty straight forward linear dungeon with 2 bosses that have some mechanics to follow that does not feel Overwhelming and really check people's attention to mechanics. i think it was first real dungeon with such bosses that prevents players from "Not thinking and just kill ASAP"
I liked it but it was intense, you had to watch out for the trash mobs and many groups contained opiniated assholes who wanted to rush through as quickly as possible.
Bruh, why is Magister's Terrace not on this list? I'd love to see the routing through the big trash corridor between the 2nd and 3rd bosses as there are a number of optional trash pulls you can combine together etc. I also think that pending some bug fixes to the Kael'thas fight he'd be an interesting Tyrannical boss.
As a whole, its a pretty linear dungeon, so that's a point against it. Also, the first 2 bosses are pretty boring and the 3rd boss would be unlike anything we've ever seen in M+ before. I don't think its a bad candidate for M+, just that there are other dungeons that would do it better.
Stormstout Brewery is probably my favorite dungeon due to nostalgia and the theme of the dungeon. But MoP was probably my favorite expansion tied with Legion so I have fond memories of a lot of it.
Agreed, Mists of Pandaria is my favorite expansion when it comes to dungeons. Everything about them is appealing from the aesthetics to the music to the storylines.
I love hellfire ramparts, I've ran it probably 1000 times, but I still love it. Just the feel and the bosses, just unique and I will always remember it. For example if I run "newer" dungeons, I get bored so fast, it just doesn't feel right, like the devs created a dungeon just to waste time, not to be enjoyable
They should include classic dungeons in timewalking, not just mythic plus, but regular timewalking, so EVERYBODY can experience them! Cata heroic Deadmines, UBRS, LBRS, but also, bring back some of the original versions, like original UBRS, Original Scholomance, also include Stratholme both sides... I'd say og Sunken Temple... but that dungeon is way too complicated for most people, and i know most players would insta-leave if they get it in their random que... There are so many great vanilla dungeons that people playing today had never done because they are unnecessary when leveling, or only know the new versions... also, the fact that fights such as Vaness VanCleef can only be done in heroic mode, which noone does, and honestly, why would, because you gotta hit lvl.. hell i dont even know what level u need now to do it, and when u get to that level, the next expac opens up anyway... seriously... leveling up is so fucked up with the shrinking of levels... i can't make sense of how new players will get to know any of the game because is all just such a mess.... if u are new you get sent straight to bfa i think? Man this turned into a rant... i'm sorry....
Classic Scarlet dungeons, hands down some of the best dungeons imo, I loved them so much as well as BRD since going through Shadowforge city is just so cool.
Hell yeah, I love End time. Would love for them to feature all bosses, making it fair and have a baseline for gearing and loot tables. Also, I want my axe of tauren chieftains
The mechanics of dungeons in MoP and WoD would work well in M+ with minimal changes, but I do think Blizz would have to spend additional time retuning and redesigning content from Cata and before. I'd still love to see them do it though.
I would love to see SFK and Zul’Aman to be mythic as well. Especially Zul’Aman, that we can complete it and get another mythic Armani bear perhaps. That would be a worthy challenge
This is some very well chosen dungeons! I appreciate the effort you put into the video by doing the research about all of these dungeons and what would make them great for m+ Very solid video as always! For what dungeon I'd like to see as a m+ the most would be magisters' terrace.
Maybe it's the mindset of retail players, but I'd kill for a mythic plus version of Blackrock Depths if I was still playing live. As someone who has been playing classic for the past 8 or so months after a 7-year break from WoW and who just ran BRD for the first time twice yesterday with two full clears and still 6 quest to complete, the unbutchered version of that place is amazing. Is it long? Yes it's long as hell, but it doesn't feel like it, especially when you have a good group. It felt like we were reapplying 30 min buffs every 10 minutes because time was was going by so fast. At the end of the run I didn't feel like I had been in a dungeon for 2 or 3 hours at all
I think, Undead Stratholme would make a good M+. The ziggurats can be done in any order, and it was also designed to have a timer. Back in Vanilla, Rivendare had a hostage that he would execute if the players weren’t fast enough, so converting that to M+ shouldn’t be too hard. The instance itself isn’t that large either, so a wipe wouldn’t be any more terrible than any of the dungeons mentioned on your list. Plus, they could update Rivendare’s Deathcharger, giving players more of a reason to run that dungeon.
I will never understand the fun in rushing dungeons. Coördination, mechanics and playing together are fun. The timers and go-go-go mentality just ruin it completely.
I am Missing Pit of saron. Three cool Bosses with challenging mechanics. Possibility to Change Boss Order for First two Bosses / different Routes. Hard Trashpacks. Little Tunnel Event. Even heal mechanics at the Endboss :) would Love to See that one in m+
As someone who only plays the game a handful of times every few years post lich king, Stormstout brewery has always upset me lol - I can't help but feel old by shaking my head and saying 'not my wow' everytime I go through it haha
Regular timewalking dungeons are wipefests because people think they can just charge through them without worrying about fight mechanics, like they can in current dungeons where everyone is decked out in epic gear. Mythic players at least will expect to have to know the dungeon.
When I level a character, I always skip dungeoning through pandaria, done those dungeons just too many times and honestly, compared to many others, they arent as fun. For me WoD and Wrath has so many dungeons with great potential. Wrath: Pit of Saron(!), Utgarde Keep/Pinnacle, Azjol Nerub, Ahn Kahet Wod: Iron Docks, Grimrail Depot, even Skyreach could be cool + the ones you mentioned. Completely agree with your cata + tbc picks.
Most of the dungeons in Wrath can be an m+ candidate. Pit of Saron makes me laugh every time it is in the rotation. Seeing all the people not understand the mechanics is awesome.
1. TBC The Underbog The Botanica Shadow Labyrinth 2. WotLK Halls of Lightning Utgarde Keep 3. Cata The Vortex Pinnacle Lost City of the Tol'vir Zul'Aman 4. MoP Gate of the Setting Sun Stormstout Brewery Temple of the Jade Serpent 5. WoD Skyreach Bloodmaul Slag Mines The Everloom 6. Vanilla (pre-Cata) Shadowfang Keep Ulduman Zul'Farrak Lower Blackrock Spire
Man, some of these older dungeons would be so cool with recent class abilities like Binding Shot, or DH tanks jumping across the room to kite some bosses to make them a little easier for a bit. I really wish they would use old dungeons like this. I think other dungeons that would be cool to add to a list like this would be The Deadmines, Shadow Labs and Magister's Terrace (with a few adjustments to reduce scripted events and slabs specifically reducing the amount of trash needed to kill in Blackheart's room), Utgarde Pinnacle, and Skyreach. Some would be a little more frustrating but I still think they would be fun. And non of the dungeons mentioned in the video or on my short list contain anything as time-wasting as carrying two orbs across a gauntlet with mobs that steal it from you.
Imo what deserved honourable mentions: Cataclysm Deadmines Dire Mauls (can play WoW ascension to do that) Magister’s Terrace Gundrak Shadowfang Keep (Cata) Grim Batol The Oculus Mana Tombs
A few others I'd add are Gun'Drak and Nexus from Wrath. ZG, Throne of Tides and Shadowfang from Cata. SM Cath from MoP. Grimrail and Skyreach from WoD. Cata ZG I think could be really fun in particular because you don't have to kill all the bosses in it which could influence the order you kill the bosses in on certain weeks depending on your comp and the modifiers.
you should try out WOW: Project Ascension, they have mythic keystone modes for classic and TBC dungeons. They even let you pick what kind of reward you want after completing it. blizz could learn a lot from this mod
Would love to have timewalking be a more important optional part of endgame, and for old cool items to be brought back with a higher ilvl, maybe with a limitation like "Legacy Legendary (1)" or something like that.
@@clintmcbride7830 longs they make raid optional so it doesnt award the highest ilevel gear and even doing a plus 31 still isnt enough for a single 259 peice
@@Vict0rRezn0v pvp and raid, I hate spamming dungeons... period, whether that be while leveling or M+. I just get bored after the second or third dungeon in a row. So I never want to feel obligated to do it.
I want dungeons with no skippable bosses for timewalking. Too many people now just zoom through and skip bosses which means missing out on the Infinite Timereaver mount. It's infuriating
MOP M+ Timewalking would be a dream come true. My only regret was not having more time to do challenge mode on all classes back then. Loved those dungeons, designs, and backgrounds. (Even Siege of Niuzao & Gate which were among the least community favorite)
They would have to either be tuned based on top players, in which case would be inaccessible to most players, or to the lowest common denominator which would make them trivial. Scaling difficulty and the timer is there for a reason.
@@manorid You realize he is referring to a thing that existed already in the game? Your analysis that there can be only 2 options is really invalidated by the fact that we've already experienced a third option.
@@manorid They can scale the difficulty without the dumb timer. Or just make the difficulty roughly in between heroic and mythic raid with mechanic-heavy fights. CC used to be crucial. It worked fine back in the day and was very fun. It shouldn't be easy enough for casuals, but hard enough to feel like a proper challenge without having to be a sweaty world-first mythic raider.
@@ChinnuWoW You cant make the difficulty in any way resembling raid fights, because you have a group of 5 people with 1 healer and 1 tank, and adequate levels of utility 5 people can bring. Also having to CC does not make fights difficult, quite the contrary - it only means that you can trivialize the encounter by locking part of the difficulty out of the fight indefinately. Not to mention without the timer you have no time pressure so any artificially boosted damage can be overcomed with blasting with all your CDs ready every difficult pack.
@@Neomagam you realize hes referring to what has existed in the game 6 years ago, before the m+ was introduced and overall skill level of players was much lower ? M+ is a cheap way of achieving difficulty through scaling, but its also the simplest one. In old model you have binary difficulty making it that either you are good enough to meet the threshold, or you're not and you cant win. In any form that is not properly dumbed down it means alot of players would be left out and crying.
For Bloodmaul Slag Mines, you did not mention Croman, and that he would help with the final boss if you choose to free him... That would be fun if he was a real help in the Mythic version...
I remember having a lot of trouble in MoP in Stormstout Brewery, I hated it so much. I’d be glad to see any Cataclysm dungeons tho, those were awesome, Halls of Origination would be problematic tho.
Not sure if you've done it already but I'd love to see a video about the old MoP scenarios, I feel like a lot of people forgot about them and I have fond memories of running thru them with friends, and even getting "the Scenaturdist" title that I don't ever see other people using.
Personally, I think that Grimrail Depot would be my top pick without a doubt. It's linear, unique, and has some of the best visuals and thematic exploration of any dungeon in the game in my opinion.
i remember Stonecore :) i always try to mark those watcher mob that walk around who can summon a whole room of adds if not killed quickly in the room right before the 3rd boss xD
And tanks can get yelled at by the dps for not doing there specific route Bad enough when tanks get yelled at for not running around and grabbing all the powers before killing the first boss in DOS
Even though Temple of the Jade Serpent was a flop, let's see if they could do it better with Everbloom, nice wishlist/predictions so far! I would love to see End Time as a M+
I always liked the 3 up in tnc netherstorm. The mechanar, botanica and alcatraz. They were fun when they came out, so maybe a mythic reboot would be fun for them
Players hated Gate of the Setting Sun. Most Players hated most if not all of Pandaria's 5-man dungeons for having too much talking/cut-scenes that prevented the dungeon from progressing.
what would be actually good is if all older dungeons were available for timewalking, not to queue into, but u had to fly to the locations. would make the world full again or feel it at least.
I really wish that blizzard would take old content and “remaster” it so that we can all experience them as they were… and it’s so much content that’s just wasted for no reason
@@Ziosove nah, I assume that best dungeons in the game should me in that m+ TW with exceptions mentioned in this video, I would not enjoy Siege of Boralus in any way, no no.
@@avinion that's not what I meant. I mean in tw m+ you don't assume dungeons that you know are gomma be brought back anyways, but instead dungeons who never had a m+ mode to begin with
When I do BRD (Blackrock Depths), I ask the group to link their quests so I can mentally calculate the best, fastest route... ...but now that I think about it... that job would probably be better performed by an addon... ...that not only checks your quests, but also your gear & compares it to the loot that the bosses drop. ...then the addon could automatically calculate the best, fastest route :P
Siege of Nizau Temple could be fun with the ooze buff but I guess either it would be too easy if the timer didn't assume players would stack that or would make every run die if you wiped on the first boss if it did. It does have some RP but you can skip a lot of it with the gong now.
I just want classic scarlet monastery to return.....and make Cathedral Mythic. The absolute sheer fear of over pulling in that dungeon back in the day......so good
I would say a simle way to make the old vanilla dungeons into mythic plus would be to do the same thing they did for mega dungeons such as tazevesh, split them up.
Welp, almost 2 years later and we got jade serpent's and everbloom m+. Let's see if we get anything else from this video. Would love to see them make Scarlet Monastery into m+ personally.
Only problem with some older dungeons like WOTLK or TBC is that the bosses don't have much mechanically going on, meaning it leads to some really easy gear
I LOVE doing Pandaria dungeons on alts during time-walking event. They are short and nice looking (also a beautiful music). I'm sorry, but for me personally, adding Keys will be the best way to start hating these dungeons. =|
you can "timewalk" akk as dps by running cata cromie time and que for classic as if it dose not pop in 5 min your get the option to add everything from classic to legion no matter your lvl .
shadowmoon burial grounds, upper blackrock spire, Grimrail depot, cata deadmines, the blood furnace, Azjol- Nerub, Pit of Saron. possibly auchidon as the rp is still less time waste than running back in DoS just my 2 cents on what lacked in this video.
Blizzard should find a way to integrate every raid into the game. A sort of combination of SoM and retail where hardcore guilds would be competing every month to clear an old raid and a new raid which would leave us with a lot of content every month
How about a new game where hardcore guilds can create their own raids (when they're bored)... That right there would cater to both hardcore players as well as casual players: No need to grind or level-up or prepare for raids... Just queue up (with friends or solo) and pick your role/class and get a completely _RANDOM RAID_ !!! ...oh god... but then you couldn't just look up & be spoon-fed the strats... _YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES !!! Admittedly, you'd probably also want a sort of "Proving Grounds" where players could both learn the class & then pass a test to unlock it. ...ya know... so you don't have players selecting classes & roles that they have no clue how to play, lol.
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Wailing Caverns, with the jump counting as a boss as well.
Laughs in demon hunter double jump+fel rush+glide
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@@levv7258 they will find a way to fail the jump anyways xD
You're a maniac!
lust boss for sure
I'd love for Cata-Deadmines to be a m+ dungeon because it's too damn good to be left behind.
That dungeon was way too long though
@@promero14 no you're way too long!
I would also love to see that. First one that came to mind when I saw the video title
@@mattflub i think that is a compliment though....could be wrong
rather have mythic be the old version. just to have both in the game and to make it more annoying. i really dislike the revamped version, thats why.
I know you said no vanilla but SFK would be a great mythic. Fair length, interesting pulls, neat shortcut opportunities. I'd like to see a low level turned into m+
go play ascension private server, it has vanilla M+
I liked MC exactly because it took a long time sometimes over two nights until you geared up. BWL too.
Technically cata had a heroic version of SFK, so it could be possible.
I always liked Forge of Souls from Wotlk expansion, it's pretty straight forward linear dungeon with 2 bosses that have some mechanics to follow that does not feel Overwhelming and really check people's attention to mechanics. i think it was first real dungeon with such bosses that prevents players from "Not thinking and just kill ASAP"
Pit of Saron would be so good for m+ imo. The place is packed with mobs and you can kill boss in whatever order you want
I personally love Pit of Saron because all the bosses there have great voice acting.
I liked it but it was intense, you had to watch out for the trash mobs and many groups contained opiniated assholes who wanted to rush through as quickly as possible.
Bruh, why is Magister's Terrace not on this list? I'd love to see the routing through the big trash corridor between the 2nd and 3rd bosses as there are a number of optional trash pulls you can combine together etc. I also think that pending some bug fixes to the Kael'thas fight he'd be an interesting Tyrannical boss.
As a whole, its a pretty linear dungeon, so that's a point against it. Also, the first 2 bosses are pretty boring and the 3rd boss would be unlike anything we've ever seen in M+ before. I don't think its a bad candidate for M+, just that there are other dungeons that would do it better.
Stormstout Brewery is probably my favorite dungeon due to nostalgia and the theme of the dungeon. But MoP was probably my favorite expansion tied with Legion so I have fond memories of a lot of it.
Agreed, Mists of Pandaria is my favorite expansion when it comes to dungeons.
Everything about them is appealing from the aesthetics to the music to the storylines.
Bloodmaul Slagmines would be a nightmare on tyrannical. I could just imagine how many runs are killed at the last boss.
It's a nightmare just from chromie time scaling. Enemies and bosses have like 5-10x more health than other dungeons.
I love hellfire ramparts, I've ran it probably 1000 times, but I still love it. Just the feel and the bosses, just unique and I will always remember it.
For example if I run "newer" dungeons, I get bored so fast, it just doesn't feel right, like the devs created a dungeon just to waste time, not to be enjoyable
None from Wrath?! Pit of Saron would be great, Ahn'kahet: Old Kingdom and Gundrak would also be good, although slightly long.
A lot others would also be really good, but did not include as the rest of the good options are all very linear.
Personally as a tank I would love more linear dungeons memorizing routes is really annoying
Imagine black morass & the culling of stratholme for mythic+ dungeons 🤣
Black Morass was Timewalking for the longest time.
Imagine BRD M+ lmao
Violet keep m+
Or Halls of Stone...
@@ChinnuWoW Blackrock Depths Timewalk Mythic+, 1 hour time limit before you are locked to only 1 chest ...
They should include classic dungeons in timewalking, not just mythic plus, but regular timewalking, so EVERYBODY can experience them! Cata heroic Deadmines, UBRS, LBRS, but also, bring back some of the original versions, like original UBRS, Original Scholomance, also include Stratholme both sides... I'd say og Sunken Temple... but that dungeon is way too complicated for most people, and i know most players would insta-leave if they get it in their random que...
There are so many great vanilla dungeons that people playing today had never done because they are unnecessary when leveling, or only know the new versions... also, the fact that fights such as Vaness VanCleef can only be done in heroic mode, which noone does, and honestly, why would, because you gotta hit lvl.. hell i dont even know what level u need now to do it, and when u get to that level, the next expac opens up anyway... seriously... leveling up is so fucked up with the shrinking of levels... i can't make sense of how new players will get to know any of the game because is all just such a mess.... if u are new you get sent straight to bfa i think? Man this turned into a rant... i'm sorry....
Classic Scarlet dungeons, hands down some of the best dungeons imo, I loved them so much as well as BRD since going through Shadowforge city is just so cool.
true to all of this
Id love to get to tackle blackrock depths as a Mythic super dungeon.
Best dungeon they ever made
thanks for including end time - it was on shard where i played during cataclysm - i loved this dungeon
All of them is the correct answer.
You're talking alot about runbacks but in Shadowlands, runbacks have been crazy long in many m+ dungeons
He's prob sub 500 raider.io or maybe not even rated so that checks out
In what dungeons really aside from maybe HOA I cant think of any unless you die in a stupid place where theres 2 weak mobs
And how much fun are those?
Hell yeah, I love End time. Would love for them to feature all bosses, making it fair and have a baseline for gearing and loot tables. Also, I want my axe of tauren chieftains
The mechanics of dungeons in MoP and WoD would work well in M+ with minimal changes, but I do think Blizz would have to spend additional time retuning and redesigning content from Cata and before. I'd still love to see them do it though.
I would love to see SFK and Zul’Aman to be mythic as well. Especially Zul’Aman, that we can complete it and get another mythic Armani bear perhaps.
That would be a worthy challenge
This is some very well chosen dungeons! I appreciate the effort you put into the video by doing the research about all of these dungeons and what would make them great for m+ Very solid video as always!
For what dungeon I'd like to see as a m+ the most would be magisters' terrace.
Maybe it's the mindset of retail players, but I'd kill for a mythic plus version of Blackrock Depths if I was still playing live. As someone who has been playing classic for the past 8 or so months after a 7-year break from WoW and who just ran BRD for the first time twice yesterday with two full clears and still 6 quest to complete, the unbutchered version of that place is amazing. Is it long? Yes it's long as hell, but it doesn't feel like it, especially when you have a good group. It felt like we were reapplying 30 min buffs every 10 minutes because time was was going by so fast. At the end of the run I didn't feel like I had been in a dungeon for 2 or 3 hours at all
Endtime is one of my favorite dungeons ever, I would love it.
Love this video and if blizzard did this I would wanna see some Wrath dungeons like Drak'Tharon Keep or Pit of Saron
The double party-frames though
I think, Undead Stratholme would make a good M+. The ziggurats can be done in any order, and it was also designed to have a timer. Back in Vanilla, Rivendare had a hostage that he would execute if the players weren’t fast enough, so converting that to M+ shouldn’t be too hard. The instance itself isn’t that large either, so a wipe wouldn’t be any more terrible than any of the dungeons mentioned on your list. Plus, they could update Rivendare’s Deathcharger, giving players more of a reason to run that dungeon.
This is a great video with nice suggestions. I love the idea of Everbloom & Slagmines. I would love to see those in the MDI.
I will never understand the fun in rushing dungeons. Coördination, mechanics and playing together are fun. The timers and go-go-go mentality just ruin it completely.
Me too! M+ has never appealed to me and never will. (I thought I was the only one who felt this way!) I also don't do well with timed anything.
A FOURTH CHANNEL, goddamn you must love your job
omg I LOVE Bloodmaul Slagmines, man. It's SUCH a good dungeon.
I am Missing Pit of saron. Three cool Bosses with challenging mechanics. Possibility to Change Boss Order for First two Bosses / different Routes. Hard Trashpacks. Little Tunnel Event. Even heal mechanics at the Endboss :) would Love to See that one in m+
Genuinely thought Grimrail Depot would be here. Personally thought it was possibly the best dungeon from WoD
I agree Grimrail definitely should be on the list. As well as Vortex Pinacle and Cata Deadmines.
As someone who only plays the game a handful of times every few years post lich king, Stormstout brewery has always upset me lol - I can't help but feel old by shaking my head and saying 'not my wow' everytime I go through it haha
I've been saying they need to add older dungeons into the mythic plus pool for years now glad to see someone talk about it in a video now.
Regular timewalking dungeons are wipefests because people think they can just charge through them without worrying about fight mechanics, like they can in current dungeons where everyone is decked out in epic gear. Mythic players at least will expect to have to know the dungeon.
Dude both troll dungeons from Cata (Zul'gurub & Zul’Aman) are forgotten gems! I loved to see those as mythic plus
When I level a character, I always skip dungeoning through pandaria, done those dungeons just too many times and honestly, compared to many others, they arent as fun. For me WoD and Wrath has so many dungeons with great potential.
Wrath: Pit of Saron(!), Utgarde Keep/Pinnacle, Azjol Nerub, Ahn Kahet
Wod: Iron Docks, Grimrail Depot, even Skyreach could be cool + the ones you mentioned.
Completely agree with your cata + tbc picks.
Most of the dungeons in Wrath can be an m+ candidate. Pit of Saron makes me laugh every time it is in the rotation. Seeing all the people not understand the mechanics is awesome.
Halls of Reflection would be amazingly insane imho -- who can run from the LK the fastest
Hirumaredx made a video and blizzard watched it.
1. TBC
The Underbog
The Botanica
Shadow Labyrinth
2. WotLK
Halls of Lightning
Utgarde Keep
3. Cata
The Vortex Pinnacle
Lost City of the Tol'vir
Zul'Aman
4. MoP
Gate of the Setting Sun
Stormstout Brewery
Temple of the Jade Serpent
5. WoD
Skyreach
Bloodmaul Slag Mines
The Everloom
6. Vanilla (pre-Cata)
Shadowfang Keep
Ulduman
Zul'Farrak
Lower Blackrock Spire
For april fools, they could add oculus.
OMFG did you had insider info before you made this video?! Immediately came back to this video after reading exciting news on wowhead!
Love to see positive videos about wow ❤️
Keep it up!
I'd really love to see the updated UBRS on this list too. Such a shame it wasn't in the new list for the upcoming season
Man, some of these older dungeons would be so cool with recent class abilities like Binding Shot, or DH tanks jumping across the room to kite some bosses to make them a little easier for a bit. I really wish they would use old dungeons like this. I think other dungeons that would be cool to add to a list like this would be The Deadmines, Shadow Labs and Magister's Terrace (with a few adjustments to reduce scripted events and slabs specifically reducing the amount of trash needed to kill in Blackheart's room), Utgarde Pinnacle, and Skyreach. Some would be a little more frustrating but I still think they would be fun. And non of the dungeons mentioned in the video or on my short list contain anything as time-wasting as carrying two orbs across a gauntlet with mobs that steal it from you.
Id love Mogu Shan Vaults my favorite panderia dungeon
Imo what deserved honourable mentions:
Cataclysm Deadmines
Dire Mauls (can play WoW ascension to do that)
Magister’s Terrace
Gundrak
Shadowfang Keep (Cata)
Grim Batol
The Oculus
Mana Tombs
A few others I'd add are Gun'Drak and Nexus from Wrath. ZG, Throne of Tides and Shadowfang from Cata. SM Cath from MoP. Grimrail and Skyreach from WoD.
Cata ZG I think could be really fun in particular because you don't have to kill all the bosses in it which could influence the order you kill the bosses in on certain weeks depending on your comp and the modifiers.
Stonecore was awesome 👌
you should try out WOW: Project Ascension, they have mythic keystone modes for classic and TBC dungeons. They even let you pick what kind of reward you want after completing it. blizz could learn a lot from this mod
Shammies should be able to summon an alemental after consuming an alcoholic item.
That would actually be a pretty cool glyph
Could also have something for dhs where you keep your wings out constantly
Or locks can summon drunk demons
Would love to have timewalking be a more important optional part of endgame, and for old cool items to be brought back with a higher ilvl, maybe with a limitation like "Legacy Legendary (1)" or something like that.
As long as it is OPTIONAL M+ is already my least favorite endgame activity
@@clintmcbride7830 longs they make raid optional so it doesnt award the highest ilevel gear and even doing a plus 31 still isnt enough for a single 259 peice
@@clintmcbride7830 what do you do in the endgame then
@@Vict0rRezn0v pvp and raid, I hate spamming dungeons... period, whether that be while leveling or M+. I just get bored after the second or third dungeon in a row. So I never want to feel obligated to do it.
I want dungeons with no skippable bosses for timewalking. Too many people now just zoom through and skip bosses which means missing out on the Infinite Timereaver mount. It's infuriating
MOP M+ Timewalking would be a dream come true. My only regret was not having more time to do challenge mode on all classes back then. Loved those dungeons, designs, and backgrounds. (Even Siege of Niuzao & Gate which were among the least community favorite)
I would love heroic deadmines as a m+ dungeon. It has been ages since anyone set foot in it and it can go with the cata time walking. :)
I wish they’d make heroic dungeons the way they were at the beginning of Cata so it felt like a 5 man raid instead of this “gotta go fast” M+ crap
They would have to either be tuned based on top players, in which case would be inaccessible to most players, or to the lowest common denominator which would make them trivial. Scaling difficulty and the timer is there for a reason.
@@manorid You realize he is referring to a thing that existed already in the game? Your analysis that there can be only 2 options is really invalidated by the fact that we've already experienced a third option.
@@manorid They can scale the difficulty without the dumb timer. Or just make the difficulty roughly in between heroic and mythic raid with mechanic-heavy fights. CC used to be crucial. It worked fine back in the day and was very fun. It shouldn't be easy enough for casuals, but hard enough to feel like a proper challenge without having to be a sweaty world-first mythic raider.
@@ChinnuWoW You cant make the difficulty in any way resembling raid fights, because you have a group of 5 people with 1 healer and 1 tank, and adequate levels of utility 5 people can bring. Also having to CC does not make fights difficult, quite the contrary - it only means that you can trivialize the encounter by locking part of the difficulty out of the fight indefinately. Not to mention without the timer you have no time pressure so any artificially boosted damage can be overcomed with blasting with all your CDs ready every difficult pack.
@@Neomagam you realize hes referring to what has existed in the game 6 years ago, before the m+ was introduced and overall skill level of players was much lower ? M+ is a cheap way of achieving difficulty through scaling, but its also the simplest one. In old model you have binary difficulty making it that either you are good enough to meet the threshold, or you're not and you cant win. In any form that is not properly dumbed down it means alot of players would be left out and crying.
For Bloodmaul Slag Mines, you did not mention Croman, and that he would help with the final boss if you choose to free him... That would be fun if he was a real help in the Mythic version...
ah, Temple of the Jade Serpent. I still hear "Spring to life!" when Im fighting near rivers/fountains even all these years later
I trink they should do something with deadmines , the cata Version is so cool
The first 5: I can see exactly why and you make great points. But I really would hate all of them lol.
I remember having a lot of trouble in MoP in Stormstout Brewery, I hated it so much. I’d be glad to see any Cataclysm dungeons tho, those were awesome, Halls of Origination would be problematic tho.
Not sure if you've done it already but I'd love to see a video about the old MoP scenarios, I feel like a lot of people forgot about them and I have fond memories of running thru them with friends, and even getting "the Scenaturdist" title that I don't ever see other people using.
Personally, I think that Grimrail Depot would be my top pick without a doubt. It's linear, unique, and has some of the best visuals and thematic exploration of any dungeon in the game in my opinion.
Id be happy just to see the older dungeons used again
i remember Stonecore :) i always try to mark those watcher mob that walk around who can summon a whole room of adds if not killed quickly in the room right before the 3rd boss xD
BRD - but you only need to kill last boss, but door to him only opens if you kill 5? other bosses. Routes can get wild :D
And tanks can get yelled at by the dps for not doing there specific route
Bad enough when tanks get yelled at for not running around and grabbing all the powers before killing the first boss in DOS
Even though Temple of the Jade Serpent was a flop, let's see if they could do it better with Everbloom, nice wishlist/predictions so far! I would love to see End Time as a M+
I always liked the 3 up in tnc netherstorm. The mechanar, botanica and alcatraz. They were fun when they came out, so maybe a mythic reboot would be fun for them
Players hated Gate of the Setting Sun. Most Players hated most if not all of Pandaria's 5-man dungeons for having too much talking/cut-scenes that prevented the dungeon from progressing.
Would love to see classic SM cath or armory be a mythic
SM wings have too few bosses for M+, unfortunately
Ramps was awesome, would be a good one for sure
what would be actually good is if all older dungeons were available for timewalking, not to queue into, but u had to fly to the locations. would make the world full again or feel it at least.
This 100% make every dungeon time walking activated by the stone. I’d return to retail wow if they implemented that
Love your content bro
Crazy how the number of dungeons per expansion halved in only a few years
I really wish that blizzard would take old content and “remaster” it so that we can all experience them as they were… and it’s so much content that’s just wasted for no reason
Mechagon was awesome, it should be also included in that "what if m+ timewalking"
Mechagon is a m+ dungeon, i think you assume automatically that every Bfa dungeon will be time walking m+ eventually
@@Ziosove nah, I assume that best dungeons in the game should me in that m+ TW with exceptions mentioned in this video, I would not enjoy Siege of Boralus in any way, no no.
@@avinion that's not what I meant. I mean in tw m+ you don't assume dungeons that you know are gomma be brought back anyways, but instead dungeons who never had a m+ mode to begin with
When I do BRD (Blackrock Depths), I ask the group to link their quests so I can mentally calculate the best, fastest route...
...but now that I think about it... that job would probably be better performed by an addon...
...that not only checks your quests, but also your gear & compares it to the loot that the bosses drop.
...then the addon could automatically calculate the best, fastest route :P
Siege of Nizau Temple could be fun with the ooze buff but I guess either it would be too easy if the timer didn't assume players would stack that or would make every run die if you wiped on the first boss if it did. It does have some RP but you can skip a lot of it with the gong now.
Temple of the Jade Serpent got to be a M+ and I'm very happy about it.
I just want classic scarlet monastery to return.....and make Cathedral Mythic. The absolute sheer fear of over pulling in that dungeon back in the day......so good
That would be so sick... BLIZZ ? Just need to be a ladder for the timewalking dungeon and reward then the game got infinite high end content.
I would say a simle way to make the old vanilla dungeons into mythic plus would be to do the same thing they did for mega dungeons such as tazevesh, split them up.
"Some old dungeons are too long for M+"
*laughs in ascension WoW*
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As someone who is currently playing MoP Remix... the gate of the setting sun can p off
the Cataclysm well of eternity would be lots of fun
I may be weird but my favorite dungeons are BRD and BRS. I love the maze and the adventure in the dungeons in stead og a straight forward experience
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Welp, almost 2 years later and we got jade serpent's and everbloom m+.
Let's see if we get anything else from this video.
Would love to see them make Scarlet Monastery into m+ personally.
Halls of origination from cata was so cool 😎
Pit of Saron, Halls of Reflection, Uldaman, Halls of Origination. to name a few
Every cata dung should be m+ exept fkin grim batol.... hate that sht :D I think cata dungeons were the best blizzard ever did.
Only problem with some older dungeons like WOTLK or TBC is that the bosses don't have much mechanically going on, meaning it leads to some really easy gear
Small correction, Hiruma. The FelOrcs were part of the Illidari, not the Legion.
I LOVE doing Pandaria dungeons on alts during time-walking event. They are short and nice looking (also a beautiful music).
I'm sorry, but for me personally, adding Keys will be the best way to start hating these dungeons. =|
you can "timewalk" akk as dps by running cata cromie time and que for classic as if it dose not pop in 5 min your get the option to add everything from classic to legion no matter your lvl .
Funny that you mention uldaman as too long to be reworked but it did this expansion pack.
Shadowlabs
Draktharin Keep
Cata deadmines and SFK
Blackrock Caverns
Cata ZG+ZA
Oh, and saying the RP in the brewery - STILL better than the 35 second flight in SOA to the last boss.
shadowmoon burial grounds, upper blackrock spire, Grimrail depot, cata deadmines, the blood furnace, Azjol- Nerub, Pit of Saron. possibly auchidon as the rp is still less time waste than running back in DoS
just my 2 cents on what lacked in this video.
Hiru: "Big AoE pulls would be fun!"
Blizzard: AoE caps
No spec is 100% capped at all
Blizzard should find a way to integrate every raid into the game. A sort of combination of SoM and retail where hardcore guilds would be competing every month to clear an old raid and a new raid which would leave us with a lot of content every month
How about a new game where hardcore guilds can create their own raids (when they're bored)... That right there would cater to both hardcore players as well as casual players:
No need to grind or level-up or prepare for raids... Just queue up (with friends or solo) and pick your role/class and get a completely _RANDOM RAID_ !!!
...oh god... but then you couldn't just look up & be spoon-fed the strats... _YOU'D ACTUALLY HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT FOR YOURSELVES !!!
Admittedly, you'd probably also want a sort of "Proving Grounds" where players could both learn the class & then pass a test to unlock it.
...ya know... so you don't have players selecting classes & roles that they have no clue how to play, lol.