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the way she trained for a 10 years and a half but didn’t even debut..... wow
I swear ... I had to replay that because o was shocked
It's more common than you think.
For every successful idol, there must be 100 who didn't make it, for one reason or another.
It's brutal, and unfair.
Maybe being an idol was not meant for her
If I were her I would have left after like 2-3 years lol
well that's the k-pop industry.
Sucks to hear bad stories in Kpop, but then I remember Hollywood, corporate world, other genres of music, sports, politics, religion, and then I realize it's just a humanity problem and become even more sad:(
yeah especially after the Harvey Weinstein scandal I don't trust Hollywood anymore and I feel that case was just the edge of the iceberg
@@emi-ts1ko Well I can't hold it against Hollywood cuz there's still plenty of good people there, especially the people he took advantage of, and they're probably in the majority anyways. I just say keep the high art and good folks, but feel free to weed out the bad same as with anything.
@@emi-ts1ko yup there is so much more pls explore it way worst what they do to artist it’s sad
Lol, same.😂😂
Its really sad and its even sadder when you know that some people think its common :// people who don't live that are lucky. But hopefully it's true that it's not everyone who are like this. Some are good, I wish them all the best
The way gina talk, i know she is smart...u can tell.
Smart and beautiful too.
if she had debut then, I have a sneaking suspicion that she would be 2nd gen's most eloquent speaker
Yesss
if im not mistaken she went to prestigious school in korea
She's like a older version of Lia from Itzy... the eye smile just remind me of her which is so cutee
yeahh same i thought she really looks like her, Nayeon and Lia 😂
oh myy, trueeee !!! 🥺💗
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to me she looks like wjsn’s Exy
@@yupitsme7574 I was about to say Exy too!
I often worry about idols and artists because you can see how drained they are at times. I wish things weren't as dark as they are.
hoping it will get better🤞🏻
If they just wanted basically some unreliable ....untalented or having no expectations the industry won't have survive 10 years also look well thx to some bad sides u might think unfair
They wt have discovered such good artists with great personality ...I think many many think u need only to dance and be a beauty but how many are prof dancers and being idols are a complete diff level...u have to be an entertainer. ..model ..prob acting like pros too ...they keep pple to match 2gether for their futur role play in a band ...Look at Girls's generation .....they are recognized ....and it proves that its not by chance they chose pple...Then S.Korea has a long History and into a modern society....they are still pushing pple to have unrealistic matching or goals
@@han660namun8 i know, I have been a kpop fan for more then 10 years so I know and heard a lot more then I mentioned. It's just that I worry as artists and idols are also human.
@@MitsukiMimichoe its wht the public , fashion agencies ... ".new world " ....youth are expecting ...tell yourself that Fans need pretty faces , good shaped and cute singers ..
to buy albums stickers or collabs products....and look at your photoshoot ...and so on so there's a few portion of trainees that can suit all those infinite options ....Being an idol isn't interesting at all for me ....You don't need to be such to make a living working rather with composers , small labels , ceo 's being more creative but i admit that some pple were made for that life and enrollment ....The judges felt it....it's because being a fan still works , pple are demanding all that things that agencies are strict and tough...I think IU and newbies are good but what I don't like about is that youngters are taking them as models and having a lot frustration ...Then by last ....There's nothing wrong with those idols , artists to pretty themselves ....it comes with ...I think it enhance their personality and inner self as well. It's really inspiring having idols that have taste and a good sense of beauty and modesty ...I like the fashion and i think everyone likes sweet pretty faces ...it usually comes with a good character in their case. S korean have a good sense of fashion and even women dress with elegance
i’m so worried about younger idols like enhypen
I can see how she's a writer, she's an eloquent speaker.
look at your likes
Damn I commented this forever ago, didn’t realize it amounted to this much 😲
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@@cozykiinss Congrats you deserve those likes
Obviously since she's taking up tons of acting classes
i don't think the industry has realized yet how many former trainees/idols are on youtube now. they are revealing the truth about how the monster eats and breathes. eventually the horrors of the industry will be laid bare and so widely known that it will begin to negatively effect the pool of talent seeking entry into the industry. there will always be people who charge headlong toward their dream despite the trauma that lays ahead, but little by little the best talent will be frightened out of pursuing a field that will eat them alive. kpop is literally scaring away its own future.
but we can't blame the industry, they do this because we ask them to. our demand fuels the monster. it's our fault young people get exploited by really shitty people.
this comment !!!!!!
I mean it's prevalent in most entertainment fields as well but yea is mostly the consumer faults tho we can't really know what's going behind close doors so it is better to just watch the play going outside and don't get too invested into STANNING per say
As much as I know how fked up hollywood and NFL is, I don't think I'll ever stop watching either of em, but yea u make a good point, if everybody gets together and stop consuming it all in one day, kpop or otherwise, they'd have to make some changes, cause we're the ones who's paying their bills... but what are the odds of the actually happening though, wouldn't hold my breath tbh
@@cantersboone3911 there has been changes gradually
The earlier Kpop system was even more harsher and nasty but now the companies know many eyes are on them especially INTERNATIONAL FANS are quick to act and mail the shit out of the companies
We as consumers still can't change the whole landscape yet but we can still impact little by little
@@Sivzram yes that’s what I was thinking. We should start to demand more from the company and less from the idols
I love Gina's way of talking she can do a podcast with Eric Nam.
i agree! ◡̈
Aww thank you😆
Samee
same! she's extremely well-spoken and good at explaining :)
I agree, i like her personality ☺
when she said she should had the same opportunities as the others to achieve her dreams :-( that broke me apart
🥺🥺🥺
Same
All the girls wanting to become trainees should watch this video first
exactly
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i mean i agree, but then that might discourage them and they might have really had a chance and could have made it. They could have been the next Jennie Kim, but after they watched this video they said nope. I think you have to try the things you want to do for yourself, you can’t always count on others’ experiences to guide you
@@user-vt3ce3my5l ?
@🙂Happy Feeling🙃 if u ever debut i’ll be the first to stan
When they talked abt there are no fairness in this industry, suddenly Park Jimin from 15& across my mind.
JYP did them dirty tbh
I guarantee if she had the idol image and personality they would have debuted her in a group. I’m glad she’s doing her thing now solo, jype didn’t help her at all.
@@Thesilentvoice... in a way I'm kinda glad she didn't stay... if she had more success they mightve turned her into a robot in a way. Now that's she's on her own she can be herself and do the music she wants and she is a queen shining every day
Just please refer to her as Jamie, she said that is her artist name and prefer being called Jamie
@@Error-ko6pp Jimin is her real name. Its okay to call her with the name which we've known for years and which is literally her birth name lol. She wants to be called jamie because there are many popular jimins in the industry now (even though she should've been the first one)
The gap in training times is always wild to me. There's idols that train for over 10 years and then there are those who debut after 2 or 3 months of training.
I heard Olivia Hye trained for ONE DAY!! (Loona)
@@pay9011 I heard that she also trained longer before going to bbc
@@illuminari3466 yeah. There's no way training for one day can yield that much talent. But I think it still indicates she's very talented. It's also an impressive factoid. 😄
The people who trained for little amounts of time have probably already been singing or dancing before joining the company.
@@Lizardlarry2000 Yeah, there are idols who had to learn by themselves during a long time.
She trained for 10 years and didn't debut and then there are idols who got this chance just becoz they were good looking 😑
what you on about she is definitely top tier looking
that tells us something doesn't it?
@@juunataku I think they mean she doesn't fit the Korean beauty standards or their beauty standards the companies screw beauty standards its all just for marketing this is why screw the kpop industry seriously they make so much people work so hard just not to make it?
Yeh! Some of them didn't even knew how to speak Korean when they debut
please don't blame idols who have good looks, blame those company
@@junkyupedia7348 It is the company who gives them chance...so yeah it is the company..
The fact that they aren’t even spilling ALL the tea in these videos, means there is So much
"I can't have a career with my fingers crossed all the time" 🙁 that breaks my heart
This is why jokes about “she probably does this or that with the CEO” is not funny. You don’t know what goes behind the scene.
Yeah those comments never sit right with me. I've seen so many boy group fans shame girl group members for "sleeping their way to the top"... like??? is sexual abuse funny to you??? It's sad
why do i get the feeling its April..
@@vacationbonerschool There was a comment someone made that was along the lines of "Why are we shaming women for "sleeping their way to the top"" when we should be shaming men for "withholding a promotion until their get sexual favors" and I think about that a lot.
@@vacationbonerschool "sexual abuse funny to you???"
It's only 'abuse' when you're forced to do something or experienced something against your will. Girls who voluntarily slept with a CEO to get ahead have no right to scream 'abuse'.
@@_kags_ Wow. That really is a powerful statement, I agree 100000% that the double standards are awful. It's rooted in the patriarchy.
The companies dried out Gina's soul and dreams and that's devastating. They took too much from a bright artist 😢
Idk why but I can see Gina becoming an actress😃
Interesting you should say that.
She's auditioned for quite a few musical theatre roles.
What especially disturbs me is how YOUNG so many trainees are when they get caught up in this stuff. As a teenager or young 20-something you are so vulnerable to manipulation and coercion, and I KNOW companies take advantage of that.
Johnny from Nct trained for 10 yrs and was suppose to debut w another group and even then he wasn’t the first lineup for Nct
Johnny trained for 8-9 years but not straight 8-9 years. He would only train in Korea during summer vacations and go back to US after. So approximately its 4-5 years of training which is an average training years of most kpop idols.
@@tealotter5620 actually, if he only trained for 3 months every year, then technically he only trained for 27 months which is like 2 years and 3 months
Edit: I calculated the number of years/months wrong🤡
@@jessicayiting4217 which would explain why he wasn’t in the lineup since the other boys who trained year round probably improved faster form practicing more
he trained to debut in exo !!
rightt :/ so glad. i’m so glad he’s living his dreams
I’m glad Stray Kids can produce their own song
Yess, same with (G)I-DLE!
Even them should go through approval of their music from higher ups before releasing it so i believe there are so many songs that they might want to release but they aren't allowed
There are actually more idols who can produce their own songs, but in the end, the final say isn’t on them.
Also Seventeen!!!!
@@WHAT-pv8pt yes, got7 is the proff of it
They produce their own songs, but jyp didnt like them, so most of the times he changed the songs multiple times
you can't really blame the girl for dating the ceo cause there's no way she did it voluntarily, especially when he's 20 years older than her. She's a victim too. Also even if she did approach him first its crazy how she's the only one being painted as the villian, rich and powerful men get away with everything
Thissssss
15 years training ??? that's insane. And she didn't even debut...
I think she meant a decade and half a year but still that's mad
@@kc2513 actually if you go to her video where she talks about her story, she clarifies that it's 15 years. So it's not 10 and a half years.
She was supposed to debut with wonder girls but she rejected the offer.
@@chekkyjeanfortich9271 well then I guess it’s her fault
it is because she is not good enough to debut and hearing her covers, I can say companies know she does not have the it factor
"there's no fairness in the industry"
got7 is typing...
True 💚💚
@No ThisIsPatrick yeah I am so happy they left jype and got7 are still together 🥰🥰
yeah I'm glad they're doing better now!!
They are now better than ever
@Khushali Joshi i am also curious
8.35 - A much younger trainee dating the much older CEO?
Just like YG (then aged 32 - 33) pursuing his now wife (then aged 20 - 21) who was a member of one of his girl groups?
He admitted that Swi.T flopped, because he failed to put in the required "effort".
How convenient.
Then going on to say she first caught his eye when she appeared on TV as a middle schooler (aged 14 - 15).
And recruiting her as a trainee aged 16.
It's just *gross*
Yg🤢🤢🤢
I understand this feeling... I got terrified at first ...But she fell in love for him too, and she still married and happy with him, have 2 cute kids. And her brother a famous idol from 1st generation, is pretty closer to him and who adores his kids and he is in YG with their group sechs kies. I saw her in an interview and she looked so fine, she kept smiling...don’t know.. we don’t know their story, but they are living happily all this years.
@@makijacki1586 there's this thing...called grooming...might have heard of it?
@@user-vt3ce3my5l To be fair.. we really don't know. Nor do we have any right to declare something to be one when we really don't know what's going on. By this logic, you could really call anyone that is dating someone *particularly* younger than them to be a groomer. So, yes, in the way this was shown in the light, it's disgusting, immoral, but we can't really have a debate or whatever unless there are hard facts. However, I personally don't mind as long as they're both consenting adults.
@@makijacki1586 the issue is, he admitted his interest when she was still just a child and literally failed a group so he could pursue her. If she was a consenting adult the whole time and he didn't ruin other's careers, it would be a different story.
The whole bystander thing was exactly the reason I left my dance crew, it was soo upsetting to see people around being bully and mistreated it made me feel super shitty even tho I wasn’t experiencing the mistreatment myself
O wow, literally same
Sad
I understand you. When I was a member of a dance crew, the “leader” most of the times during rehearsals was pretty rude with us, shouting using bad words to us just because he was mad. He even treat me like If I was trash, he was a complete nightmare and after I quit he never apologized to me or even the other guys and girls that supposedly were his best friends.
That's a sign of a really good empathetic person. Good for you!
same, even tho you aren't being mistreated you feel like the bad person
Everyone here could talk bad about the industry but forgets that the people who consumes this products are actually the ones who are making this bar. Companies always chooses the most beautiful ones because the "visual holes" will always get boycotted by their own fans for being "ugly". Humanity as whole needs to change
Us fans are also the reason why kpop is getting so harsh. The more we demand, the more we make the companies push the trainees until they just can’t. We are also the reason why some trained longer and didn’t debut, and others debuted even with a short training time. Obviously, not ALL fans are like that. But because if most fans who are demanding more and more, we make the companies be really harsh to the trainees.
She is so beautiful, her whole attitude, her face, her facial expressions, everything 🥺
Now I understand why got7 left. Atleast now they get to do their own thing! Love them! They finessed their exit hehe
Yeah.. I came here and was happier that they left.
I don't think this is the right thing to say here. not saying them leaving jype isn't worth celebrating but leaving the industry and a company are two very different things. I'm a got7 stan too and I consider them lucky for being able to debut in that company. if those from big companies get mistreated, imagine those who came from companies that are not visible to the public. it's unimaginable what they are asked to do (I hope this doesn't offend anyone, I am in no way attacking)
@@crystallymoon yep, they are still in better position than the others. Whatever happened in the past, as long as the company adheres to their contractual obligation, then it's all good. Remember that when the members signed the contract (or their guardian) they are aware to all of it, but they still pursue this career.
They didn't even wanted to leave tho, they were gonna sign again but it was jype who said 'we don't want you all' so they decided to leave as a whole, they also sadly left at a really bad time cause they are gonna start enlisting m. Let's hope team Wang manages got7 brand after this.
@@yellowmesh7821 that was a mistranslation. a few of the members were willing to renew their contracts but with the condition of all 7 of them renew. since not everyone want to renew, got7 decided to leave as a whole. for group management, I'm sure they'll figure it out with time. all of them are doing well with their solo stuff now
This is the reality sadly. Not everyone can become famous or a star. Show business is a competition. This is true for not just kpop, but in the USA, U.K., India, etc.
For every star you see on tv or TH-cam there were at least 50 others who didn't make it and who worked just as hard or sometimes even harder.
It's an unfair reality but this is the truth. Not everything is glitz, glam, and fun.
SM gets 300,000 applications a year and they have a 2-3 dozen trainees. Of those, few will debut.
similar odds to winning a lottery.
Wow Gina is so mature and you can tell that she gave it her all and has no regrets. It's so nice to see she knows her worth and isn't gonna sell out just for the sake of being on stage or on screen. Great for you!
I rather listen to these girls who actually have been inside the industry than to any fan-made assumption. Some "fans" are just full of vitriolic poison.
Huh I’ve never seen videos like those
@@shhd2105 there are a lot of “JYP is the worst boss and human being ever” videos or thumbnails that take out of context pictures of idols crying to make it look like they suffer on a daily basis.
@@trodat07 oh I don’t really watch kpop commentary channels if they have the google voice and don’t show their face maybe that’s why I never say that.
@@Anna-hi3zp i mean you really can’t pin-point a certain company but yes the probability of that happening is very very high
When Gina said "2001" I had the same reaction as Coco. I have no idea how old she is but oh my god, she looks like she's 20. If you do a follow-up video, please tell us the secret to eternal youth. :D
Gina is 34 I think ? Coco calls her Unnie, which means she's older than her, so in her thirties.
OMG when you talked about fairness... hit me to the core. I was in the entertainment industry before, quit and started working in a normal job and when people find out that at some point in my life I was in the industry I often get asked why I was not "successful" or why I "gave up".. was it because I was not good at this or that etc. I don't like to talk about it because if I say something like it's not fair it almost makes me seem like a "sore loser" in their eyes. It was the first time in my life where what I heard all my childhood "study hard and get good grades" does not work. Thank you girls
You can tell Gina has reflected on this a lot. No matter what the overall experience was, she definitely took some solid lessons out of it all. Very well spoken about them.
let's just talk about how smart they put the situations into words, i think kpop industry is getting better than before (i hope so) and stop this kind of behavior and system. but we know every industry has kind of dark sides, and hoping it will stop or cut off soon.
hoping the same 🙏🏻 thanks for watching ◡̈
Thanks to bighit it starts to shift
@@meLisa-gp6lo I am not sure about that.
@@alliahrose2878 why? what happened?
@@kairabanzon3928 I'm not an army, so obviously I don't know much, but there are some videos on here analyzing BTS's interactions with their managers which suggest that they're being abused. Don't quote me on that, I'm not an expert, I'm just making a suggestion.
On a semi-related-but-not-really note, one company that I do believe is shifting the k-pop industry in a better direction is Starship Entertainment. They let their idols speak freely about subjects which are controversial in Korea (LGBTQ, BLM, gender roles, the age hierarchy, etc), there's no suggestion of abuse towards their idols, and hell after Wonho left Monsta X they created a sub-company so they could continue to represent him as a solo artist (Wonho used the money from being a k-pop idol to support his family, so they literally made a new company so he didn't have to lose that 😭)
Fun Fact (I just think it's adorable and I need to share): Taeyoung (from CRAVITY) had his hair dyed LGBTQ flag colors including the LGBTQ flag (rainbow), the bisexual flag (blue, purple, and pink), and the lesbian flag (orange, white, and pink) :)
5:19 i’m soooo so proud of you for making the right choices. the music industry in genera is dark sadly. i hope you gain more recognition soon!
thank you 🥺❤️
In my experience, Korea in general has huge issues with criminal activity and unfairness within ANY type of company you work for, K-Pop related or not.
Can you tell me more about it, because I was planning to move to South Korea for my masters.
Woah
Stop spreading fake news about Korea.
yeah and its all covered up by pretty faces
no it does not you actual lunatic
Gina talks so elegantly, and she is very educated and it shows. She speaks very well, and knows how and what to say. Gina reminds me of Astrid from Crazy Rich Asians, because of the way she talks, presents herself, and her vibe in general. Such a beautiful speaker and thank you for us on the dark sides of the k-pop industry.
(Astrid is my favorite character and is beautifully written and I mean this in the best way possible :)
Listening to this makes me respect idols more as they've went through alot
I actually feel like crying when coco said she missed performing in front of an audience. They've been through a lot. I honestly admire their bravery.
Once people come into power, it's like they can't get off without harming another human being or taking someones innocence. How hard is it to just date within your age group, have a happy relationship and stay monogamous. Why is that a fantasy?
Even if someone wants to date outside of their age group, when it's a teenager, esp. a younger teen, it smacks of pedophilia. Make no mistake, the "dating" isn't about shared life/romantic experiences when there's that large an age gap (20+ yrs). It's about taking sexual advantage of someone over whom you hold power.
Not at YG recruiting his now wife as a trainee, when she was aged 16.
Rumour has it he let her group flop, so he could have her.
He obviously stood a better chance with an ex-member of a defunct girl group.
Had he supported Swi.T, they could have gone on to bigger and better things, placing her out of his grasp.
the saddest part is I realized after stepping in real striving working life. There are always dark sides to everything. Things would only look good on the media and there's some kind of silent rule everywhere. This is just sad, we're just trying to live by.
Seriously, hugs to you both for standing up with your morals and standards! Thank you for spillin’ it! Voices needs to be heard, industry needs to be exposed and changes needs to happen.
It's a dark topic because the shady "adults" are targeting kids and exploiting them.
Also, I really like the way Gina says, "EwWw!" She's such a cool person!
There should be a Start Up for singers to help with promotions and fanmeets.
There was an "incident" in the german media last year where around 185 actors and actresses outed themselves as part of LGBTQ+. I sometimes think about how that may be a possibility for kpop idols as well. If they can get enough people who want to "out themselves" or maybe say that they're dating - nobody not even the companies or fans could cancel all groups. There must be at least two idols in each group who could benefit from such a collective scandal that takes away the pressure of a single individual 🤔
when you said "questionable songs that are weird with strange looking stage costumes" and I instantly thought of Red Velvet's "Zimzalabim" 😅😅😅
Yo sameeee! Those outfits were horrendous and I just knew deep down they hated it too. They probably hated the song too.
Yess , I thought the same thing
Wasn't zimzalabim a well acclaimed song by the general public tho? I even heard people say it was a "cultural reset"
@@chaizan9733 it wasn’t received well by the Korean public, it did better worldwide
Yes the outfits were horrendous but the song was very well received by the listeners specifying the uniqueness of the song unlike other kpop songs.
I love the fact that both of you guys tried your best to explain about how and what happened. It must've been hard to keep all of this to yourselves. I find it really interesting to watch videos about how corrupt systems are. Anyhoo I love you both so much ❤❤🥰
So resilient and beautiful. I have no doubt she would have done very well in Kpop, but I'm glad to see her doing something she seems to love! I recommend everyone to watch her video talking about her trainee life. Gina is so, so cool!
“ it shouldn’t be like this, I should have my dream” 😭😭🥲🥲
ok, i got this recommended randomly on my feed. BUT OMG. mad respect for both of you lovely ladies. You guys are amazing for having gone through all that and still be able to talk about it so calmly and with so much perspective. omg. Both of you are soo kind and I can really see that in the way you both don't talk trash and keep things anonymous. not many would care to after being mistreated. This really opened my eyes to the world of kpop. I have people I support, but I really feel bad for everyone in the industry who does not do so well. its heartbreaking, because they really are giving it all that's humanly possible. thank you for making this video. my gosh....I'm still reeling.
It's good to see others with similar understanding of this side of the kpop industry (to a degree) voice their experiences so those who are looking into going into that industry are better prepared beforehand
thank you jae for stopping by❤️
I love Gina, the way she talks and her smile everything about her is so beautiful💙 wow she is amazing
Gina looks so much like Lia from itzy when she laughs or smiles 😭
i love how well spoken you both are! and i could tell you were trying your best to explain your experiences carefully and clearly. i hope people who are thinking of getting into the kpop industry will watch this video and maybe give it a second thought before joining any companies or auditions. kudos to both of u
I’m really proud of you Coco for letting go of the idol world because now you have a lot of people watching your videos on youtube and supporting you without the need to be under a label ❤️ love you
Gina is so very well spoken. I really enjoyed this conversation between the two of you.
that's why kpop idols doesn't necessarily means kpop artists
Edit : some people took my words the wrong way. I was just stating a fact, if you don't create, you're not an artist. Period. But that doesn't mean that those who are just idols are just puppets. *IDOL IS NOT AN INSULT.*
An idol is a music performer and not every music performer can do the same. *not everyone can do what dreamcatcher, stray kidz or loona do for example*.
well said
THANK U
yes, very well said
They're not artists because they don't create anything alone. They're puppets.
@@ALIAOUTSIDERtarotreadings I disagree with that one. Read my edit
gina reminds me of koeun, she trained in sm ent for 10 years and she left the company last year
Oh yes , I remember her and the rest of sr16g who didn't debut. I was waiting for them to debut since they were formally introduced to the public, did some variety shows, and even featured to sing in Shining Star. Its so sad that they didn't got to debut. But I'm still happy with aespa's current line-up.
@🙂Happy Feeling🙃 i don't think that's true, sm always wanted to debut 4 girls as the new girl group and i just have a feeling that they company made it clear to the rest of the girls who made it to the debut line. i think when koeun heard that she didn't make it, she left along with the other ace trainess who are lami (kim sungkyung) and nakamura hina.
Sometimes other trainees outperform you it's life, SM wanted 4 girls who all could sing and dance and had the look Lami and Hina weren't good singers and Koeuns visuals and dancing wasn't up to par for what SM wanted
@@RichRichification well in that case i believe sm lost so many talented beautiful girls. i love and support aespa the way they are right now but they could've been a 9-12 member group!!
@@ghinaanjum9101 again it would depend on the company's vision and plans for the group, bigger groups have a possibility for more fans (a bias for everyone) but it also comes with more costs (more stage outfits with variations). You could say sm could've made Aespa 9-12 members but we could say the same for rv (who debuted between bgs who had more than 10 members) 🤷♀️🤷♀️
thank you guys for this video! Will Gina ever write a book about her experiences in the kpop industry? I think it would be really really interesting as there aren't many English sources on the topic! I would totally buy it!!
wow she should write it in english!! i'll let her know ◡̈
Remember what Ko Mun Yoeng said in It's okay to not be okay, "The one who neglects and turns blind eye to the abuse is worse than abuser."
I wouldn't say it is worse, it is just shitty but not worse, I was abused before and while it was frustrating that people would do nothing but I would still be thankful to them they are not like abusers and at least I could have some nice conversations. They are not friend material but definitely not as bad as abusers, especially when you have no one of your friends around it help to keep sane if you can at least talk with someone without being trashed.
I don't agree to that quote because it does not apply to everyone.
When I was in elementary I had this girl classmate who was being bullied by my 3 other girl classmates. Seeing that, I befriend her and does not let her left alone. After some time guess what? I became the next target. And you know what's worse? the girl that I helped didn't helped me and the remaining girls in my class sided with the bullies (There are only 7 girls in my class including me).
Yes, I am mad at all of them. However, I also understand why the other girls didn't helped me that time because they know the moment they helped me they will be the next target.
And most of the time bystanders are like that. They are also helpless and feel that they aren't powerful enough to stop the abuser. The safe choice for them is to be silent so that they will not be the next victim.
@@tealotter5620 yeah i agree on that. It really depends on the situation.
@Sugaシ Okay so with that reasoning, why doesn't the abused do something about it? If fear is stopping them, maybe fear is stopping someone else as well. Also, because the abuser had a bad/traumatic experience, it's fine for them to take it out on you? And someone who is a bystander is somehow worse than someone who is inflicting the pain? Nah. Doesn't sit right with me. I do agree that it's crappy for people not to help, but if you're going to consider what the bully has gone through, then maybe first consider what the bystander has gone through. Don't take an ounce of responsibility away from abusers. They are first and foremost the bad ones. A bystander could also be bad, but not worse.
I think i just fell in love with her wow she's so elegant and pretty whatttt
i had to watch this video again because i'm just so delighted with how well-spoken these two are, especially gina. and i love seeing insight from people who have been through the grinder and made it out with their sanity.
Gina sounds so mature and i love her genuineness
i love listening to gina talk, she seems like such a genuine person with a good head on her shoulders. my heart breaks for her that she didn't get to debut.
Off topic but her hair is really beautiful 💁🏻♀️
I remember the show roommate from years ago. It's a show where celebs live together for months. And there's this one respected veteran actress. Her roommate was Sunny from Girl's Generation. She said she felt bad for Sunny coz she's been in the industry since she was a kid so she's seen everything. I keep thinking what Sunny saw all through out those years.
I really respect you and hearing your story was moving.
고마워요 언니!!
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In Gina’s personal vlog though, she’s been praising JYPE and said it “feels like home.”
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Got7 case is because their fans over babied them . Its an industry ( in the company eyes ) . JYP himself can't and won't take care of you forever just when you're trainee ( debutee prospect ) or your below 3 years in debut . After your 3 years is between yourself/group and the company .
@@evanyong5871 yh but the company is responsible for them, responsible with promoting them and many other things. Got7 was forgotten.
@@veeveegem could you put the link cause for some reason I couldn't find it
@@evanyong5871 umm no one babied anyone wtf are you talking about?? The fans don’t expect JYP to take care of them forever they expect the company to promote them like they should and give them a bit more artistic freedom
She's so smart. May god gives her abundant reward for being true to herself
Gina, you shine so bright. Everything you did in life made you who you are now and you’re inspirational. Bless your heart ❤️ if you do a Q&A here’s my question: if you knew everything then that you know now, when would you have quit?
Just listening to gina i can tell that she is really smarttt!!!😭❤️
Much respect. As much as I have my favorite idols, groups and songs, so many young people are exploited because of the glitz and glam. Artistry isn't the only casualty of the industry, which is so sad. But I'm glad you still have your passion for music! If you pui it on spotify, (or any streaming service) I'll be sure to give it a stream. I'm glad to see Gina is doing good as well! Best of luck to the both of you.
They lost 15 years... Gina and Coco could have been well-known worldwide
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you two are so strong for going through what you went through and I hope you're proud of yourselves for chasing after your dreams. wish you the best 언니들!❤
I just love these girls so much they're just so wholesome, and I love how they just go to cozy little coffee spots and chat together. Their whole vibe is so cute and friendly. It's so inspiring that even though they didn't become massive idols, they are still doing their passions through alternative means such as film/ lyric writing. Very special, smart and independent women who deserve all the success in the world! Thank you for giving such great advice for younger girls and boys who are looking to a certain path. Love you Coco and Gina
I absolutely love this video. Thanks for sharing a bit more about the industry we all know nothing about. Also it’s a shame you both couldn’t make it to fulfill your dream...but know that there’s people out there liking what you girls do anyway. Gina and Coco fighting!! 💜
i hope it can shed some light to those deciding to devote their lives to this industry! better to know than it all being a surprise.
love love loveeee the way Jina articulates everything!
I was part of a group dedicated to fighting back against the fixed audition competition shows in the US, and I'm disappointed, but not that surprised, to hear that at least one or two Kpop audition competition shows are the same.
Gina and Coco are stunning, real and well articulated. This is the first video I watch from them, one of many...
Omg both of u need a big warm hug especially since its snowing in korea ~~ Kpop industry is a hard place to be big unless u have connections from what im seeing~~
Loves from Singapore!
You guys are both so well articulated and I can feel how sincere you are, thank you for sharing this!! xx
gina is so beautiful and well spoken.
the fact that she also has too pay for those years of training 💀 such a scam
In what minute does he mention it? I couldn't see the full video
In JYP, SM, YG, BH (the big four companies) and some other successful companies you don't have to pay for it, but a lot of them (especially smaller/medium-sized companies) you do. It can put people in crippling debt which is actually terrifying.
She didn't have to repay the debt.
She talks about it in her latest video with Coco.
@@gracienoble2880 the big4 spends money and invest for the trainees, the trainees don't have to pay the company unless they insist to leave even before trainee contract expiration
@@gracienoble2880 before bighit was big , the trainers had a partime job like Suga
This is so sad but so important to talk about.
excited for your album coco!
Awestruck with how eloquent Gina is
You ladies are so strong and beautiful! Thank you so much for sharing your experiences and such with everyone. Hwaiting! Much love 🖤
so much love xo
looking forward to your album and maybe soundcloud/spotify soon!
I could sit and hear u two talk for hours! thanks for sharing your experience in such a light way 💕
Coco, I've been waiting for you! Know that we love your music! 💕
Mad respect to you both. Thank you for sharing your stories
Most of the idols who gets to debut come from a very very rich family so if you come from a rich family you will surely debut
Yes ....... I don't know why nobody talks about it anywhere , esp. when one of grp members come out as a relative/acquaintance of company's boss , i am like WHAT ???? ( It is possible that these rich trainees are nice people , talented , deserving ,etc but still feel bad coz they MIGHT be debuting by paying / bribing companies .....n it happens in every industry )
Agreed. There are 100% going to be exceptions to this (Wonho, IU, Taeyang, Sandara Park, Eunhyuk, and even Taeyoung/V), but you can't ignore the fact that the vast majority of idols grew up privileged. Many took dance and vocal lessons from a young age, and while I would never try to delegitimize their talent and hard work in the industry, they definitely had a leg-up over other people with less opportunities.
@@nevereverigoteyesonyou8377 sounds like a good way for the companies to make money.
Yes say louder.
Yes say louder.
they’re so pretty!! i love to hear her talking all day 🥺
i watched every part of this video and I just gained a lot of respect for all idols, trainees and every artists in the industry. having to go through so much to get to where they are whether they succeed or not.
That was an extract TEA🍵
you guys are amazing!
god bless
😜 thanks for being here early!
@@Rilaccoco just for you❤
COCO I MISSES YOU !! so happy to see you're doing well 💞 I hope you remember that youre super precious and deserve all the love and support in the world !!!
thank you so much 🥺❤️
@@Rilaccoco when im sad your videos always make me feel so much better so I hope i was able to return that feeling even if it was a lil bit !!I hope you have a great day/night !! (P.s. I look forward to your next cover)
wholesome
both of them are so brave and strong, they seem so genuine as well. thank you for this video!
Thank you both so much for these videos. I want to get to them one at a time because I'm a fan of some of the older groups and you can see the effect the industry has had on them, even just through the work culture. Knowing what went on behind the scenes too just makes me like kpop industry even less. I didn't think that was possible 😒