let's be real and call the phenomenon by its real name: starvation. this is not dieting, these idols are forced to starve in order to lose weight. it doesn't affect only them but millions of fans as well. i get so sad when i see thousands of videos of people crying themselves to sleep or spending their lives not eating and getting weaker and weaker chasing the idea of becoming skinny. it will take a long time to achieve, but healthy diets are so important as well as someone's own mental health. do not compare your body to someone other's.
It's a real waste to obsess over a body. A body needs to get you places and keep you alive and able to be happy and enjoy your life. Not something miserable that is pretty to look at. (Not saying everyone who is considered body goals is miserable, but if you have to starve and exercise 4 hours that certainly is)
@@phil20_20 it’s horrible, but i really made the media and how the makeup, skincare and plastic surgery industries work with celebrities in order to create more, new insecurities and a new body type that is trending.
I really hate it when some people normalized starvation in order to achieve their ideal body while lots of people out there being starve without any options especially those who lived in poverty. I know so well being starve, not eating for several days while trying to maintain energy in our body is ABSOLUTELY torturous. It wasn't even an option, it was something that I had to go through for years. Seeing these idols had to choose between dieting for perfect body and fame, or to leave the entertainment industry and shattering their dreams to become an artist- singer, dancer, actors, actress, performers..
Like, I will never understand why they don't do that. I mean, they place such a heavy emphasis on idols staying fit and healthy yet they don't even seem to have dieticians or nutritionists that can help them with that. Like, singing and dancing at the same time for a long period requires a lot of strength, energy & stamina but instead of companies encouraging their idols to keep fit in a healthy way & allowing them to have muscles, they must be as slim as possible. Then they wonder why their idols were fainting on stage😭
@lifeissobeautiful6404 what they're doing is nowhere near healthy. And unfortunately most people think skinny=healthy. I would understand a drastic short-term cut (I do it all the time for weightlifting meets) but in the long term it's terrible mentally and physically for the idols. They should be treated Iike athletes if they want long term success
@@lifeissobeautiful6404 bc they're supposed to be idols, someone who's beauty is almost unachievable for the normie. That's part of their appeal. It's wrong on all levels but I bet that's the reasoning. They don't want the idols to be a healthy weight, bc they wouldn't be considered idol-like anymore. Just look at the fat shaming in kpop, fans demand this look.
I've dropped about 20 lbs (9k) in about 2 years. Changing the diet, walking more and dropping sodas and my doctor was thrilled. No "sudden" weight loss, but steady improvement is so much better. For dancers, and athletes, your body should be heavy, muscle is heavier than fat, so weight isn't a reliable accurate way to judge health. Now that my weight is down and I do more walking and workouts, my weight is going up, but I'm in better shape. Weight isn't the only factor.
Muscle is more dense but does not necessarily weigh more than fat. It just takes up less space and helps speed up your metabolism the more you develop them. Overall it is more important to incorporate exercise that helps to build muscle while also having a proper diet (as nutritious and less caloric dense foods as possible) that supplements nutrition for exercise but also encourages weight loss of fat overall. Which is more important than just losing weight (which means you can also lose important muscle weight not only fat). Great job on the proper weight loss.
Muscle is more dense than fat, but does not weigh more. A pound of muscle is equal to a pound of fat. A pound is equal to a pound. It's just like the old math question of which is heavier, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? A pound is still a pound. It will take a lot of feathers to equal a pound, and not many bricks to equal a pound, but a pound is still a pound.
@@ashley_smithis weighs more for the amount of room it takes up. That’s why you should go by measurements/clothing sizes instead of weight alone. That’s what people mean when they say muscle weighs more than fat. Some people work out and get smaller, but their weight stays the same and they get discouraged and stop trying because they’re not “losing weight” That’s what op is referring to.
In my perspective, 4 hours of exercise daily is not healthy. It's definitely NOT average. I can understand if your goals are to look a certain way for an idol career, but average people living their lives as non-idols should NEVER. NEVER try to replicate this diet and goal without the supervision of a VERY experienced and highly esteemed professional trainer. It's just not the norm to have this type of physique. Average non-TV, non-celeb people should always consider this before attempting a diet or physique change.
Well you’re an athlete so it makes sense. For those who work in the office 9-5 should not work 4 hrs a day since they usually take anywhere from half an hour to an hour and a half to get to work, make breakfast and dinner (at least 30 min for each). Working out 4 hours will make regular workers overly fatigued.
I think that's subjective. Four hours of exercise could be unhealthy if- 1) the person does not eat enough food to fuel their body and is overly restrictive, or 2) if they are pushing themselves too much and injuring their body or are unable to do basic movement for the rest of the day. As an athlete or someone training for a sport, it doesn't seem to be much to me. There are also some people who don't play sports that work-out this much but that's because it's at their level like a long distance runner. I get your point though but I don't think the time matters since intensity could vary by a lot. What I think matters more is balance. If someone wants to exercise that much, they have to eat more obviously and may need to sleep more as well. That's the main issue with it.
4 Hours of exercise may not be average, but ultimately pretty healthy. Exercise doesn’t necessarily mean heavy workout. Pilates, yoga, light stretching is very beneficial for the body and overall health. And actually, everyone should do some strength exercises regularly. And you can really improve your productivity when you integrate exercising into your day. Ever since I started with a morning routine/stretch, it’s so much easier to get up and be fit in the morning. Then again, I the evening I do a stretch to relax my muscles and therefore I will fall asleep faster (also because my body just knows after this routine, it’s time to sleep). For lunch break, I always try to walk some, even when I just walk around without any goal. That’s also a good way to get some time for yourself, listen to music and think about stuff. Then if you have a sports hobby where you might even meet with friends regularly, that’s another plus. So all in all, it’s definitely possibly to include four hours of exercise into a daily routine. And again, exercise doesn’t mean to do a heavy workout. You just have to get moving. Also, ever since I adapted this routine I don’t have back pain anymore
Abruptly cutting to working out 4 hours a day would be a big shift for your body, it's a good idea to involve a doctor or trainer if you're working up to that. It's not unhealthy to move a lot every day, farmers, athletes, landscapers, etc, do it all the time. It's better for you than sitting all day. The real question is are you straining your body, are you straining tendons or muscles. And, alongside that, for your mental health you don't want to sacrifice 1/4 of your waking hours to exercise to "get skinny so I'm good enough and worth existing". That hurts so deeply, and you miss out on socialization time and having fun and doing anything but punishing yourself.
I think an issue too is that instead of having kpop trainees lose weight in a moderate calorie deficit, they are often forced to eat at an extreme deficit, like less than a baby would need to eat. Teens/kids who are trainees shouldn’t restrict calories at all, but if they absolutely have to it would be better to have a much more moderate deficit. I think this completely messes up their metabolism to the point where any time they eat normally, even if it’s a “normal” amount of food, they will gain weight. So they are pretty much in a cycle of gaining weight/binging and then taking extreme lengths to lose weight quickly for an appearance or come back, and rarely do idols have an actually consistently healthy routine. I feel like this is especially horrible in wealthy companies that could afford the best dieticians and personal trainers to help their trainees.
This is what I don't understand, at this point agencies know that extreme diets are not a good way to loose weight. It is detrimental to your health and it doesn't work in a long run, idols will get fat easily by doing this isntead of loosing weight. Moreover they will be in hiatus because of health issues, as it is the case for a lot of idols today. so I really can't understand why they continue to force idols to do it.
@@gwenbar8144 I think it’s due to control and abuse tbh. If they were well nourished and eating regular meals and had a healthy relationship with food and their bodies they would think more clearly and be harder to control, abuse, and manipulate. I do also think this probably happens to at least some extent in the western entertainment industry as well, but here it would be more taboo here for a celebrity to promote eating under like 1200 calories atleast
@@gwenbar8144 it’s also crazy because say a trainee is supposed to eat 800 calories per day, if they are dancing and singing all day the amount of calories they don’t burn off and actually consume is probably even lower
I fitted the Korean idol weight calculation when i was sick in hospital with anorexia so that minus 120 thing is crazy. I’m 173cm and weighed 49-52kg during my eating disorder teen and uni days, when I look back at photos I was a walking skeleton. I could never imagine going back to that and seeing as “ideal”. That was BMI of 16-17, and obviously no periods, so dangerous expectations
omg i get u!! i used to scroll on pinterest and see all those korean n chinese diets and started being very anxious of my weight and appearence. i was also a teen and was 158 cm tall and at my lowest point was 38 kg..also i lost my period for 1 5 years, it was super scary..my parents told me i looked like a walking skeleton then😢
I'm the same height as you and built broad, shoulder for days. When I was at my lightest I can remember I was about 60kgs and looked so sick. It messes me up mentally that there are male idols my age and height, who only weigh about 50kgs. Who preform nonstop, travel nonstop, train nonstop and are clearly not eating enough. It makes me sad, like why did no one protect any of them? How are these full grown men and women the same weight I was when I had an eating disorder in my teens? Its crazy and hurts my heart. Being an idol seems depressing.
I have lost a lot of weight bec of my kpop addiction. Now I am 43 kg and underweight. It was really hard I almost starved myself and workout a lot. I felt uncontous one day and found myself in hospital I see what they are suffering :(
@@taeechaee Yup definitely both! The agencies made this skinny look the "norm", and now the public complains when they actually see a normal body because they're so not used to it.. it's sad, honestly
@@colombiageminis exacto, además si te fijas justamente cuando los idols se vuelven más y más delgados es que empiezan a ganar atención, y se vuelven 'viralres por su visual"
The public is QUICK to jump on someone who doesn't look aesthetically ideal to them, especially when it shows up in the face. And quick to reward thinness. We're part of the problem.
The real problem by the agencies but the only way to really change it is for the fans to put pressure on them because it affects their sales and we all know the agency's only really care about money not the idols
Stop buying their records then. Some companies don't force their idols to diet. They achieve this by hiring skinny people in the first place, then they screen them for talent.
Idols today are still doing the same crazy diets, they just don’t talk about it as publicly because fans today don’t react well to hearing about their idols starving themselves. No one can maintain a figure that slim in a healthy way, and this comes from a someone with an ed.
As a competitive bodybuilder, I take off about 40 lbs in 12 weeks while eating a full and healthy diet. The lengths these idols go to to lose weight can be totally changed to be healthier while achieving better results.
The thing is that they don't find atractive bodies with muscular mass, (at leasr on girls) they prefer the skinny "weak" look and very visible bones especially on the upper body, so the goal to them is not lose weight and become stronger and healthier, i think that's what they go on a calorie déficit all the time and starve
@@1rat4belle I'm just saying it's possible to lose weight to achieve their goal in a more healthy way but I do agree with what you said. Talking to my girl friends in Korea, there does seem to be a increase in girls working out for muscle though. At least from what I've heard
@@Chili.512 may I ask does dancing one hour a day at home do anything good to my body? I have anxiety and cant go to gym, comfort eating too much and its a bad spiral because now i feel terrible with my body. What do you snack on that it good for your muscles and health?
@@Chili.512 It really is possible indeed ! But unfortunately the problem with these ideols is that they're not aiming to lose 40 lbs in 3-4 months reasonably, they want the results within a few days, 2 weeks at most! And there's no way you can drop that much weight that fast the healthy way :/ this is mostly the companies' fault, terrorizing them with the weekly/mostly weigh-ins. I've literally seen clips of trainees crying in relief because they were supposed to reach a certain weight goal at a set date(otherwise they wouldn't be able to debut) and they made it by literally not even drinking water. It's terrifying, really
They are trying to achieve underweight weight because they want to look better on TV. Usually for any person who is normal weight may look slightly heavier on TV. This is also the issue with the entertainment world trying to make underweight the desired quality for artists.
The focus should be on body recomposition not weight loss. You can stay the same weight and look smaller if you increase your muscle mass and decrease your fat percentage. This is because muscle is very dense and compact, it will also put strain on your bones which makes them stronger and more dense as well! If you only restrict your calories you will look soft and bony and your bones will be weak, muscle is what makes you look sleek and elegant!
The kpop industry does not support high muscle mass on women. Their goal is having very little amounts of body fat and not a lot of muscle as well. Think of big strong thighs - not accepted unfortunately.
I really wonder if one day when KPOP idols retire they will write a book about being an idol in KPOP and exposing the whole industry. And what it took to be an idol and live this lifestyle. I would be very interested.
Thank you for making this video.🙂 As a Korean-American, I used to be naturally thin in my teens and early 20s. However at 29, I gained quite a bit of weight due to my eating habits and not exercising. Now at 41, I try to eat healthier and exercise almost daily. Also, I try to focus on the way I look and feel, instead of the number on the scale.
It's looks like they are so happy BUT in reality everyone has problems. I hope everyone who is watching this Don't loose hope do your best ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
They would stop it if it was reflected in sales figures and fan comments. But as long as fans condemn a few grams here and there and praise only those who just look unhealthy thin, nothing will change. It's up to the fans, not the companies. They only sell what the market asks for, and if the market only asks for skinny young girls, they will be delivered.
It's crazy because I'm 157 cm and when I went down to 43 kg, all of my bones stuck out and I looked so physically sick, and felt awful a lot. And I had health issues. I look and feel a lot better between 47 and 50 kg, depending on where I'm at in life. I'm 30, and I am on my feet at work, plus I do Zumba regularly. I eat healthy, with fun stuff thrown in sometines. If I drop too low, it means I'm really sad. Everyones body is different. What looks okay on an idol surely didn't look healthy or good on me at all.
@@sandrajayandran it was sort of unintentional, my dieting just really spiraled. It went from just wanting to slim down and be healthy to some pressure to meet higher and higher standards.
Extreme stuff (no matter is it diet or most of other things) is never good, physically and mentally. The trick is to keep stable "golden middle" in activities and hobbies, it does allow to achieve needed results while keeping equilibrium (body and psyche must adapt slowly anyways, or lifespan will shorten greatly) in everything else. Takes longer, of course, but it is surely safer.
This is not dieting this is starvation. Dieting means eating often and little but just consuming less calories than you did before, you eat healthy and clean but they do not,they don't even eat or they would eat only one meal which is a salad or a detox drink and they also practice about 8 hours, they need food for energy to dance and sing all day all week . This is the dark reality behind the kpop industry. We can't change it even if we want because it is based on the companies but let's try change it as much as we can by protesting online against this and let kpop idols do whatever they want and staying healthy. Let's not support this kind of starvation by saying now the idols became happier after losing weight they might be happy but this is dangerous.
I’m doing OMAD (one meal a day) but that’s because I’m older and my metabolism has slowed. I totally forgive myself if I eat something outside of that meal because traditionally I ate three meals a day on a sedentary lifestyle. That’s a hard habit to break, especially when it’s comfort eating. My body is receiving quality nutrition and I think that shows in my face.
I hate the headspace of being in eating disorder mind or even crash dieting. I get obsessed with diets and food and cooking and not even eating the food after. Been dealing eith this my whole life! I hate these expectations! I'm tired of it
All I see is sadness or just somebody who is not happy.Maybe someone who just existing and not really living cause.That's what it's like to be starving yourself. So every time I see those girls I just feel bad for them.
I'm part Chinese, but I am mostly a Canadian white girl. Soh I have this weird expectation of myself that if I'm thin. And small chested I should be extremely thin because it's being skinny. Fat is a weird word that's shaming people... I've been calling myself skinny fat for a long time and only just realized how strange it sounds.
Starving and doing super low cal diets might not affect you that much when you're 20 but if you do it long term and into your 30s the damage is bound to catch up
This is great insights Rachel! As a former dietitian, it's quite shocking to see the toxic diet culture in kpop idol world that has such a big impact on their fans/audience as well. Hoping to see more kpop idol portaying a healthy food relationship! ❤
Most of the "recovered" or "balanced" Idols are still far from that. First, a diet that is low in calories and carbs is definetly harmful for a kpop idol's lifestyle which requires a lot of energy expendature. I read Joy's new "Healthy" diet which is *still* not healthy. She eats mainly vegetables to fill herself up and goes low fat and low carbs, which yea, probably supress her appetite, but she still undereats, the same as many other idols. Second - they're still at a very low bodyweight, and low BMI. Yeah, BMI isn't a good measurement tool for people with much muscle, but when someone is at such low BMI, like most Kpop Idols, it definetly means that it's not healthy. No chance that ALL idols have "long legs and high metabolism" and are that skinny AND healthy. I'm tired of the lies and covering up the actual truth. A kpop Idol that eats the amount that a SEDENTARY TODDLER needs is NOT healthy. Even if it's more food that protein shake a day.
Exactly!! Even saying that Jihyo's lifestyle is healthy now since she doesn't starve herself and exercises 4 HOURS A DAY was mindblowing to me! Like hello?? that's not normal at all
I just looking for this comment. I mean, I saw a Jihyo interview where she says, when she have schedule soon, only eats 1 meal a day because do diet its difficult to her. Maybe I am mistaken, but it impressed me in a bad way
@@yuqui.2188 I'm pretty sure many americans have a busy scheduele but they still managa to grab chips or a chick fil a. Loaded with money, they can still manage to take a healthier takeout with them. Straving is not the solution. Manipulating your calorie intake and excusing it with "I don't have time" is bullshit.
@@רומיבלן Yes. Jihyo was saying that because she doesn't like "diet food" and therefore prefers to restrict her calories to 1 meal a day. But it seems to me a very dangerous practice even though they say you can get used to it.
Part of kpop training should be teaching the trainees about healthy eating and regular exercise. They take classes for singing, dancing and acting so why can't kpop companies add a nutrition and fitness class. If the companies only care about money, you would think they would keep their trainees/idols healthy and strong so they can work.
you had me curious, so i did the height math... for me i would need to be 32kg/70lbs... even for my short height that is still VERY underweight! its insane that korea has these "standards". you don't have to be stick thin to be talented, pretty, handsome, etc. i'd rather have an idol be themselves and be "bigger" then have them be a robot and be "thinner".
Ladies- losing too much weight can royally eff up your hormonal balance. It goes far beyond losing one's menstrual cycle. Your hair can thin and fall out, you can experience intense bone and joint pain, memory loss, depression, and more. Additionally, losing too much weight breaks down the collagen in your skin- including your face. You may be able to pull it off in your early-mid 20's- but once you start hitting the later 20s and beyond that lack of collagen will age you significantly.
First of all, agencies must STOP BEING SO TOXIC TOWARDS IDOLS. If idols have health issues, they can't perform properly and collapse on the stage. Let idols eat proper food and stay in healthy bodies and minds.
We hv to understand dat over exercising is also a form of anorexia..not just starving! Also Skinny doesnt always mean healthy! Plz do everything in moderation and learn to love ur body!!!
Weird to see that in my "best anorexia era" I was fitting the formula perfectly... apart that my heart wasn't beating enought with pacemaker risk, and I didn't have any period anymore. Happy to hear through that many cases recovered and realized how to feel good WITHOUT starving, it gaves me faith and positive examples!
I loved your video, it was very educational and your final words were charming. Extreme diets are serious and sadly, they’re more common than before. I hope every person, mainly young people, know about their risks and consequences.
Idols lie all the time about their diets I remember watching a gg eating a Lot of food they said " we eat everything we want and we barely exercise..." then after one weak the same gg revealed their harsh diets....same with karina
I remember that months ago I had an inconsistent diet, some days I would only have one meal and others I would seemingly devour the whole pantry, I was destroying myself. It was an unhealthy never ending cycle of hell. I’m glad this didn’t last long but I can’t imagine what it would be like if it did go on.
At the lowest point of my self esteem, I was 49kg/108lb and my waist was ~56cm/22inches and still felt the need to lose weight. I was 171cm or 5'7 tall. I'm the heaviest I've ever been now but feel so much happier with myself. I used to look at myself in the mirror and legitimately and unironically hate the way I looked. I felt like a whale(not to insult them) and constantly compared myself to Asian celebrities who were like 45kg/99lb or less. My tail bone would rub against chairs and it would be uncomfortable to sit down sometimes. Lol I was an idiot!
When you are young your body can take a lot of damage and bounce back. But just because it bounces back does mean there is not lasting damage being done that will show up later in life. Both diet and sleep are very important. Agencies, record labels and managers abusing their talent is not unique to Korea that's for sure. Fans are always going to have unrealistic expectations. The agencies should be policed more to ensure they are actually caring for and protecting their talent.
and what does the agency have to do with it if you yourself say that idols gain popularity only if they lose a lot of weight. It's the beauty standards of netizens and they're fatshaming and bodyshaming idols, aren't they? Like the agency just has to adjust to it.
Shhh... you're not allowed to speak truth. The netizens won't like that. Always blame the agency and never the netizens!!! ......sarcasm (in case anybody can't read into this)
All these idols went on starvation 'diets' and then only after losing the weight came out saying they are now eating a 'healthy diet'. I find it really hard to believe them. It just seems like they extreme diet to get skinny then claim they are now being healthy so that people will stop talking about it.
They didna study where the had two groups. Each group was given a photo and they were told the photo was the beauty standard. One group had a skinny model and the other group had a curvy model. They were given time to study the photo then they were given a collection of photos with a variety of figures. The photo they studied was shown to have had a singnificant influence on what each group thought was attractive.
WEIGHT DOES NOT MATTER LIKE LITERALLY, THAT NUMBER MEANS NOTHING. I have a friend who is a dancer, she has been doing dance for the past 12 years of her life. She is really thin, has no body fat whatsoever, and she looks skinnier than I am. We are almost same height. But I am 7 pounds lighter than she is, and she still looks thinner than me. At the beginning of the day, I may be X pounds, and after eating breakfast and lunch I'll gain like 3 pounds. And when I go take a shit, I may lose 2 pounds. But i look the same.
Almost always, people say that idols eat very well and are healthy. It's important to see that there are people who are open to telling the truth and seeing the truth...
Ooh dear God 😮 I'm 181,5cm tal and that minus 120 makes 61kg holy cra....when I was 65kg the doctor askt me if I'm trying to kill myself straight to my face
The rule is more 1 kg per cm above one meter. For non bulkier bodybuilder styles. And that's for average men, women can be 0.8/0.9. you should be fine around 72kg. But that will depend also in your body type and lifestyle.
I was 75 kg at my peak physical shape as a man at 178 cm. Your doctor held nothing back haha. Hope you have since found a happy weight you maintain from 65 kg!
Thank you Rachel for speaking about issues that matter. It is like a breath of fresh air. These issues make people really think about life . Love your content , as it is so different from the mindless topics I come across on TH-cam. 💕
In my opinion the idols that say they focus on exercising and being healthy are lying to not worry the fans, they're still dieting and they work out a way more than the average person and spend hours dancing, it's still not healthy in my opinion, that's why a lot of them smoke like ballerinas
If I look at my 90s Gen X school pictures most of us would have been considered underweight. Average BMI in Korea is going up, Obesity is going up. Like everywhere else. These K-pop stars are basically training like athletes. Any professional competing dancer is super slim. Nobody is forcing them to participate.
It's all very well being skinny....but when your periods stop, you can't have babies and when you are older your bones snap easily....you will regret being skinny.
According to the “formula” I would have to weight 81lbs…that’s the same weight as a 10 year old…. And in order to to reach 81lbs, I must chop my off my 2 legs. I don’t see how anyone can lose 23lbs otherwise….it’s so sad that they focus on a number on the scale rather than overall health and fitness
It feels bad when I see kpop idols who are teens like me doing diet, when I am just enjoying my life , eating whatever I want. Teenagers should eat sufficient food because these are their growing years. I am healthy, not too skinny..... I hope they get to live their life more, as we get it only once.
I went from 80 kg to 58 kg & it took me 1.5 years (18 months) 😭 I'm still trying to lose more. My goal is to reach 54-52 kgs after which I'll stop being on a calorie deficit (My height is 154 cm btw). I'll be real with you. It has been such a hard journey. For me, there was one thing I always kept in mind. I wanted to change my lifestyle to a healthier one instead of ruining my relationship with food, but also lose weight in the process. I ate as much healthy food as I could throughout the week by cooking at home. I would also excercise regularly for at least 40 minutes (alternating between cardio & strength). However, I didn't deprive myself of "junk food" or higher calorie foods & would indulge from time to time. I knew that my social life will be affected if I get too strict about what I can or cannot eat. When I went out with friends, I'd usually opt for a salads & juices. However, for instances like parties, official events or when I had lunch/dinner with friends or family during special events, I'd go and eat whatever they had to offer. First of all, if someone makes food for you or organizes an event, I feel like it's so disrespectful to turn down the food they serve (unless you have restrictions due to health issues or don't eat certain things due to religious or ethical reasons, which is understandable). These are the main factors that made me adamant on not going overboard. I've realised that it's actually a very hard thing to commit to. I felt like giving up so many times when I wouldn't see the scale move. The temptation to just starve myself was intense, but I knew that it's an addictive path; once I get into that cycle, getting out would be very hard. When you are on your weight loss journey, the initial weight you lose is very fast, but after the initial 1-2 months, progress becomes painfully slow. That's when the urge to start starving kicks in. You want the same results you saw in the first month. However, it's natural for weight loss to slow down because the initial loss is usually water weight. You CAN lose weight without going overboard. It is possible, but it just takes a lot of time, patience & consistency. Aim for 1.5-2kg per month, that's the healthiest. Honestly, I lost 3 kgs in the initial 1.5 months of my journey & after that, although I target 1.5-2kg, I end up losing a maximum of 1 kg each month 😂 It's because I have my lazy days or days when I let lose & you know what?? I don't feel guilty about it at all. A girl deserves to have fun haha Personally, I didn't consult any dietician or join a gym. I researched and did things on my own. If anyone wants to know about my diet & excercise routine in detail then please free feel to reply to this & ask questions. I'd be more than happy to help. Remember: You can do it! Every body type is different so your journey will look different. Just stick to it. If you have a week or month where you didn't follow your routine, then don't punish yourself for it. Just get back on track & start again. It's a process that involves learning, fumbling & getting back up again. However, an overall healthy lifestyle will not only physically, but mentally as well. Focus on that. Discipline can go hand in hand with fun. Forming a new habit takes time. Be kind to yourself.
I also 80kg and become 60kg in a year, and yes now it's getting harder to lose weight. i'm stuck at 60kg for months now, i need to lose at least 5kg to get my ideal weight. but i'm totally okay with my slow progress, since i dont starve myself, eat healthy, and exercise almost everyday. my body is healthy, my mind is healthy, this is more than enough. i started my diet for my appearence, but now i focus more on my health. some people around me still say i'm too fat, but i truly dont care now :))
I'm obese then. I'm 1.57m and 57 kilo but I guess 37 is the number🫠 some fogget that muscle weighs more then fat. And some fat is indeed needed sometimes.
The thing about Jimin is that so many people bashed him for his appearance, and then how can it be a surprise he's going on extreme diets. I'm sure it's similar for the other idols. These idols may be better now, but I'd be hesitant to believe they are not dieting extremely from time to time. For his comeback Jimin was dieting again, he said so himself. He didn't say what he's eating but he had dropped a lot of weight. I wish people would stop commenting on other people's bodies in general, but especially for idols. If you body shame them, it's easier for them to believe it because seeing yourself on screen all the time can drive you crazy and you notice every imperfection. Then idols that are skinny say they're fat and the kids watching them learn that behaviour too. Please be kind to others, it does come back around.
This is all so fascinating to me. I watched my little sister's deal with trying to conform to the trends and beauty standards of 2000's Canada but this stuff is intense
Something else not mentioned about the female idols - most of them won't even have periods they are that malnourished and underweight. This is extremely dangerous and can lead to osteoporosis as well as many other health conditions. But apparently looking like skeletons is worth it ?
There is a lot of sh*t your idols go through . They might be idols to you but to the companies they are a project and $ signs. That's the harsh reality. A lot of them start out in really bad conditionions not getting paid sleeping in small apartments and a lot of judgement from others. It's all very sad and more. That's why idols like Hwasa and Hyorin (I believe that's how u spell it) that defy the norms are so important, they are few but they show how their standards are unrealistic. And "ugly" people can be just as talented
The problem is not only they are doing pretty unhealthy diets but most the goals of that diets are not a healthy weight but mostly being underweight. Most of the idols that went on extreme diets weren't even overweight in first place. The problem are the unrealistic beauty standards of kpop.
6:00 I did the same thing for three months and nothing changed actually. I lost like 3 kg and i was drained out of energy, so it was absolutely useless, plus it ruined my health and relationship with food.
sadly its also a cycle, from the fans to the angency to the image that people plant on them. sk fans put such a high standard on idols to look a certain way and make them have unrealistic standards which leads to fans also doing the same thing. if things don't change they won't make anything any better
I may b going out on limb here but I can’t help but see a correlation between how idols starved thin bodies are reminiscent of nearly prepubescent bodies (small hips, small chest, loss of period, weakened strength) and the huge market for “Lolita” and “school girl” mangas and anime and other related medias
Just the fact that it is somehow OK to be over 1.60cm and to weigh anywhere around 40kgs is INSANE to me. I'm 1.65 and at one point in my life I weighed around 53kgs and I often had to buy XS in clothes sizes. Not to mention I was feeling rather on the weak side. I cannot even imagine how it feels to be 10kgs less than that which is the standard for female idols.
Frankly I think a large part of this stems from the way idols are forced UNrealistically to try and fit into so called "Ideal Korean Cultural Beauty Standards" which often lean heavily towards *thin, *skinny, *Pale, *Narrow..etc These kpop companies literally use starvation along with plastic surgeries as a process to try and force chisel down Idols to fit those cultural beauty standards.. All these idols that are suddenly having bad health problems is the fallout from this practice.
I mean ...being on a diet alone isn't good for your health, but idols also need to practice their dance choreographies which is physically exhausting, especially if you don't have the energy food would normally give you.
I used to be the biggest out of all my siblings and it made me depressed so I wouldn't eat or eat less then 500 calories a day for days to weeks. I did end up losing about 80lbs but was still hot happy and wanted to lose more.i did have less energy but it wasn't extreme. Then I gained all the wait plus more back when I went to college and after I dropped out I became stressed that I gained it all back so I went back to what I did before and it took a couple years but I lost a little over 100lbs and was very malnourished and just went to work then sleep but I still wasn't happy and wanted to loose about 10 more pounds which would be considered the lower number of the "normal mbi weight"of someone my height. Around this time I figured barely eating wasn't helping and stated to exercise which helped but wasn't getting the body I wanted so I had to put more protein in what I ate and slowly I started to gain muscle but everytime my legs got bigger I had to stop eating. I didn't want to go over a certain size cause I thought I would just keep going until I was at my highest weight again. But now I do struggle some times but if I really want to eat or binge eat I don't really care if I gain a little weight I'm more confident now that I'm what works for me in a healthy way to get to a decent weight for myself and thank God I didn't really get any heath problems from it other then digestive issues
To be honest... Fasting is so healthy! I think if they do these for just 10 days it's actually very beneficial to their health! However... yes! The pressure in Korea is very toxic! They shouldn't feel so much pressure!
I remember how little I ate and how hard i excercised to become 45kg... physically I felt horrible. I felt weak and cold all the time, I remember I even became insecure of my thigh gap when previously i was insecure of my thick thighs.. how fast things had changed. I don't regret gaining weight to become more healthier at al! I am now 54-55kg, and my height is 166cm
let's be real and call the phenomenon by its real name: starvation. this is not dieting, these idols are forced to starve in order to lose weight. it doesn't affect only them but millions of fans as well. i get so sad when i see thousands of videos of people crying themselves to sleep or spending their lives not eating and getting weaker and weaker chasing the idea of becoming skinny. it will take a long time to achieve, but healthy diets are so important as well as someone's own mental health. do not compare your body to someone other's.
It's a real waste to obsess over a body. A body needs to get you places and keep you alive and able to be happy and enjoy your life. Not something miserable that is pretty to look at. (Not saying everyone who is considered body goals is miserable, but if you have to starve and exercise 4 hours that certainly is)
We've been trying to get past this in the U.S. for a long time. Each generation starts it all over again.
@@phil20_20 it’s horrible, but i really made the media and how the makeup, skincare and plastic surgery industries work with celebrities in order to create more, new insecurities and a new body type that is trending.
I really hate it when some people normalized starvation in order to achieve their ideal body while lots of people out there being starve without any options especially those who lived in poverty. I know so well being starve, not eating for several days while trying to maintain energy in our body is ABSOLUTELY torturous. It wasn't even an option, it was something that I had to go through for years. Seeing these idols had to choose between dieting for perfect body and fame, or to leave the entertainment industry and shattering their dreams to become an artist- singer, dancer, actors, actress, performers..
Yeah all bodies are different and one should follow healthy diets according to their body's needs.
Agencies should really hire legitimate dieticians or strength and conditioning coaches for the long-term for their clients.
Like, I will never understand why they don't do that. I mean, they place such a heavy emphasis on idols staying fit and healthy yet they don't even seem to have dieticians or nutritionists that can help them with that.
Like, singing and dancing at the same time for a long period requires a lot of strength, energy & stamina but instead of companies encouraging their idols to keep fit in a healthy way & allowing them to have muscles, they must be as slim as possible.
Then they wonder why their idols were fainting on stage😭
@lifeissobeautiful6404 what they're doing is nowhere near healthy. And unfortunately most people think skinny=healthy. I would understand a drastic short-term cut (I do it all the time for weightlifting meets) but in the long term it's terrible mentally and physically for the idols. They should be treated Iike athletes if they want long term success
They don’t hire dietitian because they know their idols are healthy. They want unhealthy thinness, which dietitians wouldn’t approve of… it’s so toxic
@@lifeissobeautiful6404 bc they're supposed to be idols, someone who's beauty is almost unachievable for the normie. That's part of their appeal. It's wrong on all levels but I bet that's the reasoning. They don't want the idols to be a healthy weight, bc they wouldn't be considered idol-like anymore. Just look at the fat shaming in kpop, fans demand this look.
Dieticians would never allow these idols to go on these diets. That's probably why.
I've dropped about 20 lbs (9k) in about 2 years. Changing the diet, walking more and dropping sodas and my doctor was thrilled. No "sudden" weight loss, but steady improvement is so much better. For dancers, and athletes, your body should be heavy, muscle is heavier than fat, so weight isn't a reliable accurate way to judge health. Now that my weight is down and I do more walking and workouts, my weight is going up, but I'm in better shape. Weight isn't the only factor.
Muscle is more dense but does not necessarily weigh more than fat. It just takes up less space and helps speed up your metabolism the more you develop them. Overall it is more important to incorporate exercise that helps to build muscle while also having a proper diet (as nutritious and less caloric dense foods as possible) that supplements nutrition for exercise but also encourages weight loss of fat overall. Which is more important than just losing weight (which means you can also lose important muscle weight not only fat). Great job on the proper weight loss.
Muscle is more dense than fat, but does not weigh more. A pound of muscle is equal to a pound of fat. A pound is equal to a pound. It's just like the old math question of which is heavier, a pound of bricks or a pound of feathers? A pound is still a pound. It will take a lot of feathers to equal a pound, and not many bricks to equal a pound, but a pound is still a pound.
walking is a good exercise, but walking 10k steps a day make butt smaller too. Right?
@@Y3llow_Submarin3 Not if you walk uphill.
@@ashley_smithis weighs more for the amount of room it takes up. That’s why you should go by measurements/clothing sizes instead of weight alone. That’s what people mean when they say muscle weighs more than fat. Some people work out and get smaller, but their weight stays the same and they get discouraged and stop trying because they’re not “losing weight”
That’s what op is referring to.
In my perspective, 4 hours of exercise daily is not healthy. It's definitely NOT average. I can understand if your goals are to look a certain way for an idol career, but average people living their lives as non-idols should NEVER. NEVER try to replicate this diet and goal without the supervision of a VERY experienced and highly esteemed professional trainer. It's just not the norm to have this type of physique. Average non-TV, non-celeb people should always consider this before attempting a diet or physique change.
Well you’re an athlete so it makes sense. For those who work in the office 9-5 should not work 4 hrs a day since they usually take anywhere from half an hour to an hour and a half to get to work, make breakfast and dinner (at least 30 min for each). Working out 4 hours will make regular workers overly fatigued.
I think that's subjective. Four hours of exercise could be unhealthy if- 1) the person does not eat enough food to fuel their body and is overly restrictive, or 2) if they are pushing themselves too much and injuring their body or are unable to do basic movement for the rest of the day. As an athlete or someone training for a sport, it doesn't seem to be much to me. There are also some people who don't play sports that work-out this much but that's because it's at their level like a long distance runner. I get your point though but I don't think the time matters since intensity could vary by a lot. What I think matters more is balance. If someone wants to exercise that much, they have to eat more obviously and may need to sleep more as well. That's the main issue with it.
4 Hours of exercise may not be average, but ultimately pretty healthy. Exercise doesn’t necessarily mean heavy workout. Pilates, yoga, light stretching is very beneficial for the body and overall health. And actually, everyone should do some strength exercises regularly. And you can really improve your productivity when you integrate exercising into your day. Ever since I started with a morning routine/stretch, it’s so much easier to get up and be fit in the morning. Then again, I the evening I do a stretch to relax my muscles and therefore I will fall asleep faster (also because my body just knows after this routine, it’s time to sleep). For lunch break, I always try to walk some, even when I just walk around without any goal. That’s also a good way to get some time for yourself, listen to music and think about stuff. Then if you have a sports hobby where you might even meet with friends regularly, that’s another plus. So all in all, it’s definitely possibly to include four hours of exercise into a daily routine. And again, exercise doesn’t mean to do a heavy workout. You just have to get moving. Also, ever since I adapted this routine I don’t have back pain anymore
I read somewhere that according to experts 30 minutes to 1 hour of regular moderate exercise is enough for an average person.
Abruptly cutting to working out 4 hours a day would be a big shift for your body, it's a good idea to involve a doctor or trainer if you're working up to that. It's not unhealthy to move a lot every day, farmers, athletes, landscapers, etc, do it all the time. It's better for you than sitting all day. The real question is are you straining your body, are you straining tendons or muscles. And, alongside that, for your mental health you don't want to sacrifice 1/4 of your waking hours to exercise to "get skinny so I'm good enough and worth existing". That hurts so deeply, and you miss out on socialization time and having fun and doing anything but punishing yourself.
I think an issue too is that instead of having kpop trainees lose weight in a moderate calorie deficit, they are often forced to eat at an extreme deficit, like less than a baby would need to eat. Teens/kids who are trainees shouldn’t restrict calories at all, but if they absolutely have to it would be better to have a much more moderate deficit. I think this completely messes up their metabolism to the point where any time they eat normally, even if it’s a “normal” amount of food, they will gain weight. So they are pretty much in a cycle of gaining weight/binging and then taking extreme lengths to lose weight quickly for an appearance or come back, and rarely do idols have an actually consistently healthy routine. I feel like this is especially horrible in wealthy companies that could afford the best dieticians and personal trainers to help their trainees.
This is what I don't understand, at this point agencies know that extreme diets are not a good way to loose weight. It is detrimental to your health and it doesn't work in a long run, idols will get fat easily by doing this isntead of loosing weight. Moreover they will be in hiatus because of health issues, as it is the case for a lot of idols today. so I really can't understand why they continue to force idols to do it.
@@gwenbar8144 I think it’s due to control and abuse tbh. If they were well nourished and eating regular meals and had a healthy relationship with food and their bodies they would think more clearly and be harder to control, abuse, and manipulate. I do also think this probably happens to at least some extent in the western entertainment industry as well, but here it would be more taboo here for a celebrity to promote eating under like 1200 calories atleast
@@gwenbar8144 it’s also crazy because say a trainee is supposed to eat 800 calories per day, if they are dancing and singing all day the amount of calories they don’t burn off and actually consume is probably even lower
@@HM-cq2rv wow I'd never thought of that, maybe that's a reason, yes, but in this case it's really frightening.
@@gwenbar8144 also it just saves the company money
I fitted the Korean idol weight calculation when i was sick in hospital with anorexia so that minus 120 thing is crazy. I’m 173cm and weighed 49-52kg during my eating disorder teen and uni days, when I look back at photos I was a walking skeleton. I could never imagine going back to that and seeing as “ideal”. That was BMI of 16-17, and obviously no periods, so dangerous expectations
omg i get u!! i used to scroll on pinterest and see all those korean n chinese diets and started being very anxious of my weight and appearence. i was also a teen and was 158 cm tall and at my lowest point was 38 kg..also i lost my period for 1 5 years, it was super scary..my parents told me i looked like a walking skeleton then😢
I'm the same height as you and built broad, shoulder for days. When I was at my lightest I can remember I was about 60kgs and looked so sick.
It messes me up mentally that there are male idols my age and height, who only weigh about 50kgs. Who preform nonstop, travel nonstop, train nonstop and are clearly not eating enough. It makes me sad, like why did no one protect any of them? How are these full grown men and women the same weight I was when I had an eating disorder in my teens?
Its crazy and hurts my heart. Being an idol seems depressing.
bmi 17 isn’t that thin though .. it’s not life threatening. most people i know fit that naturally since they were kids
@daiuelle We have an anorexic here
@@lavayuki what? how is a mental condition related to me??
I have lost a lot of weight bec of my kpop addiction. Now I am 43 kg and underweight. It was really hard I almost starved myself and workout a lot. I felt uncontous one day and found myself in hospital I see what they are suffering :(
Glad you recognized the situation and hope you’re working on a better you! You’ve got this! 화팅
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I am 43kg too but that’s not so little for me because I am only 160cm
@joey9646 thank you so much I am better right now ^^
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May be an unpopular opinion but i don't think that the culprits of idols dieting are the agencies but the public itself
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@@taeechaee Yup definitely both! The agencies made this skinny look the "norm", and now the public complains when they actually see a normal body because they're so not used to it.. it's sad, honestly
@@colombiageminis exacto, además si te fijas justamente cuando los idols se vuelven más y más delgados es que empiezan a ganar atención, y se vuelven 'viralres por su visual"
The public is QUICK to jump on someone who doesn't look aesthetically ideal to them, especially when it shows up in the face. And quick to reward thinness. We're part of the problem.
The real problem by the agencies but the only way to really change it is for the fans to put pressure on them because it affects their sales and we all know the agency's only really care about money not the idols
I think the real problem is the korean culture.
Stop buying their records then. Some companies don't force their idols to diet. They achieve this by hiring skinny people in the first place, then they screen them for talent.
Idols today are still doing the same crazy diets, they just don’t talk about it as publicly because fans today don’t react well to hearing about their idols starving themselves. No one can maintain a figure that slim in a healthy way, and this comes from a someone with an ed.
It's possible if they eat and exercise so their metabolism is high. Starving only bring metabolism down.
But how do they have the energy to dance on stage after being starved? I still don't get it
@@Fearless.cat1209they could be taking pills or caffeine
As a competitive bodybuilder, I take off about 40 lbs in 12 weeks while eating a full and healthy diet. The lengths these idols go to to lose weight can be totally changed to be healthier while achieving better results.
The thing is that they don't find atractive bodies with muscular mass, (at leasr on girls) they prefer the skinny "weak" look and very visible bones especially on the upper body, so the goal to them is not lose weight and become stronger and healthier, i think that's what they go on a calorie déficit all the time and starve
@@1rat4belle I'm just saying it's possible to lose weight to achieve their goal in a more healthy way but I do agree with what you said. Talking to my girl friends in Korea, there does seem to be a increase in girls working out for muscle though. At least from what I've heard
@@Chili.512 may I ask does dancing one hour a day at home do anything good to my body? I have anxiety and cant go to gym, comfort eating too much and its a bad spiral because now i feel terrible with my body. What do you snack on that it good for your muscles and health?
@@Chili.512 It really is possible indeed ! But unfortunately the problem with these ideols is that they're not aiming to lose 40 lbs in 3-4 months reasonably, they want the results within a few days, 2 weeks at most! And there's no way you can drop that much weight that fast the healthy way :/ this is mostly the companies' fault, terrorizing them with the weekly/mostly weigh-ins. I've literally seen clips of trainees crying in relief because they were supposed to reach a certain weight goal at a set date(otherwise they wouldn't be able to debut) and they made it by literally not even drinking water. It's terrifying, really
They are trying to achieve underweight weight because they want to look better on TV. Usually for any person who is normal weight may look slightly heavier on TV.
This is also the issue with the entertainment world trying to make underweight the desired quality for artists.
It can be for plastic surgeries too. They might be hidding the fact that they're getting procedures to alter their appearances behind health reason
The focus should be on body recomposition not weight loss. You can stay the same weight and look smaller if you increase your muscle mass and decrease your fat percentage. This is because muscle is very dense and compact, it will also put strain on your bones which makes them stronger and more dense as well! If you only restrict your calories you will look soft and bony and your bones will be weak, muscle is what makes you look sleek and elegant!
The kpop industry does not support high muscle mass on women. Their goal is having very little amounts of body fat and not a lot of muscle as well. Think of big strong thighs - not accepted unfortunately.
@hayleylovesolar4390 but you gotta have some to be healthyyyyh
@@רומיבלן health isn't what they want..
I really wonder if one day when KPOP idols retire they will write a book about being an idol in KPOP and exposing the whole industry. And what it took to be an idol and live this lifestyle. I would be very interested.
It already happened, I read a book about it was in shock. The conditions are terrible
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Thank you for making this video.🙂 As a Korean-American, I used to be naturally thin in my teens and early 20s. However at 29, I gained quite a bit of weight due to my eating habits and not exercising. Now at 41, I try to eat healthier and exercise almost daily. Also, I try to focus on the way I look and feel, instead of the number on the scale.
The older you get the more your metabolism slows
@@bdh711 Well, duh! 🙄
It's looks like they are so happy BUT in reality everyone has problems.
I hope everyone who is watching this Don't loose hope do your best ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
It is so scary the way agencies try to make idols like puppets.
Weight loss like this is really scary..
I hope they stop this type of things .
They would stop it if it was reflected in sales figures and fan comments. But as long as fans condemn a few grams here and there and praise only those who just look unhealthy thin, nothing will change. It's up to the fans, not the companies. They only sell what the market asks for, and if the market only asks for skinny young girls, they will be delivered.
But how do they have the energy to dance on stage after being starved then? It looks healthy if she can do it right? I still don't get it.
What are the health risks??
"You are already a sparkly person in your own unique way". I couldn't agree more! Thanks for nice video :)
great message at the end
It's crazy because I'm 157 cm and when I went down to 43 kg, all of my bones stuck out and I looked so physically sick, and felt awful a lot. And I had health issues. I look and feel a lot better between 47 and 50 kg, depending on where I'm at in life. I'm 30, and I am on my feet at work, plus I do Zumba regularly. I eat healthy, with fun stuff thrown in sometines. If I drop too low, it means I'm really sad. Everyones body is different. What looks okay on an idol surely didn't look healthy or good on me at all.
Why would you want to weigh 43kg though? Was it unintentional or you wanted to lose weight
@@sandrajayandran it was sort of unintentional, my dieting just really spiraled. It went from just wanting to slim down and be healthy to some pressure to meet higher and higher standards.
Extreme stuff (no matter is it diet or most of other things) is never good, physically and mentally.
The trick is to keep stable "golden middle" in activities and hobbies, it does allow to achieve needed results while keeping equilibrium (body and psyche must adapt slowly anyways, or lifespan will shorten greatly) in everything else. Takes longer, of course, but it is surely safer.
This is not dieting this is starvation. Dieting means eating often and little but just consuming less calories than you did before, you eat healthy and clean but they do not,they don't even eat or they would eat only one meal which is a salad or a detox drink and they also practice about 8 hours, they need food for energy to dance and sing all day all week . This is the dark reality behind the kpop industry. We can't change it even if we want because it is based on the companies but let's try change it as much as we can by protesting online against this and let kpop idols do whatever they want and staying healthy.
Let's not support this kind of starvation by saying now the idols became happier after losing weight they might be happy but this is dangerous.
The thing is, I was in Japan and the majority of girls were idol thin. Now I’m not entirely sure if some people are just naturally like that 🤣
I’m doing OMAD (one meal a day) but that’s because I’m older and my metabolism has slowed. I totally forgive myself if I eat something outside of that meal because traditionally I ate three meals a day on a sedentary lifestyle. That’s a hard habit to break, especially when it’s comfort eating.
My body is receiving quality nutrition and I think that shows in my face.
I hate the headspace of being in eating disorder mind or even crash dieting. I get obsessed with diets and food and cooking and not even eating the food after. Been dealing eith this my whole life! I hate these expectations! I'm tired of it
All I see is sadness or just somebody who is not happy.Maybe someone who just existing and not really living cause.That's what it's like to be starving yourself. So every time I see those girls I just feel bad for them.
I'm part Chinese, but I am mostly a Canadian white girl. Soh I have this weird expectation of myself that if I'm thin. And small chested I should be extremely thin because it's being skinny. Fat is a weird word that's shaming people... I've been calling myself skinny fat for a long time and only just realized how strange it sounds.
Starving and doing super low cal diets might not affect you that much when you're 20 but if you do it long term and into your 30s the damage is bound to catch up
seriously true.
This is great insights Rachel! As a former dietitian, it's quite shocking to see the toxic diet culture in kpop idol world that has such a big impact on their fans/audience as well. Hoping to see more kpop idol portaying a healthy food relationship! ❤
Most of the "recovered" or "balanced" Idols are still far from that.
First, a diet that is low in calories and carbs is definetly harmful for a kpop idol's lifestyle which requires a lot of energy expendature. I read Joy's new "Healthy" diet which is *still* not healthy. She eats mainly vegetables to fill herself up and goes low fat and low carbs, which yea, probably supress her appetite, but she still undereats, the same as many other idols.
Second - they're still at a very low bodyweight, and low BMI. Yeah, BMI isn't a good measurement tool for people with much muscle, but when someone is at such low BMI, like most Kpop Idols, it definetly means that it's not healthy. No chance that ALL idols have "long legs and high metabolism" and are that skinny AND healthy.
I'm tired of the lies and covering up the actual truth.
A kpop Idol that eats the amount that a SEDENTARY TODDLER needs is NOT healthy.
Even if it's more food that protein shake a day.
Yeah, the gaslighting is real
Exactly!! Even saying that Jihyo's lifestyle is healthy now since she doesn't starve herself and exercises 4 HOURS A DAY was mindblowing to me! Like hello?? that's not normal at all
I just looking for this comment. I mean, I saw a Jihyo interview where she says, when she have schedule soon, only eats 1 meal a day because do diet its difficult to her. Maybe I am mistaken, but it impressed me in a bad way
@@yuqui.2188 I'm pretty sure many americans have a busy scheduele but they still managa to grab chips or a chick fil a. Loaded with money, they can still manage to take a healthier takeout with them. Straving is not the solution.
Manipulating your calorie intake and excusing it with "I don't have time" is bullshit.
@@רומיבלן Yes. Jihyo was saying that because she doesn't like "diet food" and therefore prefers to restrict her calories to 1 meal a day. But it seems to me a very dangerous practice even though they say you can get used to it.
Part of kpop training should be teaching the trainees about healthy eating and regular exercise. They take classes for singing, dancing and acting so why can't kpop companies add a nutrition and fitness class. If the companies only care about money, you would think they would keep their trainees/idols healthy and strong so they can work.
you had me curious, so i did the height math... for me i would need to be 32kg/70lbs... even for my short height that is still VERY underweight! its insane that korea has these "standards". you don't have to be stick thin to be talented, pretty, handsome, etc. i'd rather have an idol be themselves and be "bigger" then have them be a robot and be "thinner".
Ladies- losing too much weight can royally eff up your hormonal balance. It goes far beyond losing one's menstrual cycle. Your hair can thin and fall out, you can experience intense bone and joint pain, memory loss, depression, and more. Additionally, losing too much weight breaks down the collagen in your skin- including your face. You may be able to pull it off in your early-mid 20's- but once you start hitting the later 20s and beyond that lack of collagen will age you significantly.
First of all, agencies must STOP BEING SO TOXIC TOWARDS IDOLS. If idols have health issues, they can't perform properly and collapse on the stage. Let idols eat proper food and stay in healthy bodies and minds.
We hv to understand dat over exercising is also a form of anorexia..not just starving! Also Skinny doesnt always mean healthy! Plz do everything in moderation and learn to love ur body!!!
Weird to see that in my "best anorexia era" I was fitting the formula perfectly... apart that my heart wasn't beating enought with pacemaker risk, and I didn't have any period anymore. Happy to hear through that many cases recovered and realized how to feel good WITHOUT starving, it gaves me faith and positive examples!
I’m crying for the final, it’s very motivational for me 😢❤
besides the topic addressed, I want to comment on how cute and sweet Rachel is 🥰 thank you for being such a kind person :)
I loved your video, it was very educational and your final words were charming. Extreme diets are serious and sadly, they’re more common than before. I hope every person, mainly young people, know about their risks and consequences.
Idols lie all the time about their diets I remember watching a gg eating a
Lot of food they said " we eat everything we want and we barely exercise..." then after one weak the same gg revealed their harsh diets....same with karina
Another awesome and interesting video, Rachel! Thanks for input.
I love the ending message! ♥
I remember that months ago I had an inconsistent diet, some days I would only have one meal and others I would seemingly devour the whole pantry, I was destroying myself. It was an unhealthy never ending cycle of hell. I’m glad this didn’t last long but I can’t imagine what it would be like if it did go on.
This is literally me rn.sometimes i feel like I don't wanna eat anything and sometimes I'll just eat anything junk. so yeah lol💀
I love how informative this video is....subscribing now
At the lowest point of my self esteem, I was 49kg/108lb and my waist was ~56cm/22inches and still felt the need to lose weight. I was 171cm or 5'7 tall.
I'm the heaviest I've ever been now but feel so much happier with myself. I used to look at myself in the mirror and legitimately and unironically hate the way I looked. I felt like a whale(not to insult them) and constantly compared myself to Asian celebrities who were like 45kg/99lb or less. My tail bone would rub against chairs and it would be uncomfortable to sit down sometimes. Lol I was an idiot!
When you are young your body can take a lot of damage and bounce back. But just because it bounces back does mean there is not lasting damage being done that will show up later in life. Both diet and sleep are very important. Agencies, record labels and managers abusing their talent is not unique to Korea that's for sure. Fans are always going to have unrealistic expectations. The agencies should be policed more to ensure they are actually caring for and protecting their talent.
working out 4 hours a days is harmful, that is self punishment and disordered behavior to appear to fit a beauty standard
i love using these kpop diet videos as an instruction manual
🙏i want to hug these people from this industry sooooo bad
and what does the agency have to do with it if you yourself say that idols gain popularity only if they lose a lot of weight. It's the beauty standards of netizens and they're fatshaming and bodyshaming idols, aren't they? Like the agency just has to adjust to it.
Shhh... you're not allowed to speak truth. The netizens won't like that. Always blame the agency and never the netizens!!!
......sarcasm (in case anybody can't read into this)
Fr, this will change only when consumers start placing less importance on weight and looks
All these idols went on starvation 'diets' and then only after losing the weight came out saying they are now eating a 'healthy diet'. I find it really hard to believe them. It just seems like they extreme diet to get skinny then claim they are now being healthy so that people will stop talking about it.
By that formula, I should weigh 60kg as a grown man 😳. Scary.
❤ thanks for sharing. it's a tragedy that this happens. take care and have a good upcoming week.
They didna study where the had two groups. Each group was given a photo and they were told the photo was the beauty standard. One group had a skinny model and the other group had a curvy model. They were given time to study the photo then they were given a collection of photos with a variety of figures. The photo they studied was shown to have had a singnificant influence on what each group thought was attractive.
WEIGHT DOES NOT MATTER LIKE LITERALLY, THAT NUMBER MEANS NOTHING.
I have a friend who is a dancer, she has been doing dance for the past 12 years of her life. She is really thin, has no body fat whatsoever, and she looks skinnier than I am. We are almost same height. But I am 7 pounds lighter than she is, and she still looks thinner than me.
At the beginning of the day, I may be X pounds, and after eating breakfast and lunch I'll gain like 3 pounds. And when I go take a shit, I may lose 2 pounds. But i look the same.
Almost always, people say that idols eat very well and are healthy. It's important to see that there are people who are open to telling the truth and seeing the truth...
the ice cubes diet is RIDICULOUS. ladies, stop. that's so messed up.
Ooh dear God 😮 I'm 181,5cm tal and that minus 120 makes 61kg holy cra....when I was 65kg the doctor askt me if I'm trying to kill myself straight to my face
The rule is more 1 kg per cm above one meter. For non bulkier bodybuilder styles. And that's for average men, women can be 0.8/0.9. you should be fine around 72kg. But that will depend also in your body type and lifestyle.
I was 75 kg at my peak physical shape as a man at 178 cm. Your doctor held nothing back haha. Hope you have since found a happy weight you maintain from 65 kg!
Thanks for the motivation for a healthy diet! ♥️ I was on a harsh one too (sadly)
Thank you Rachel for speaking about issues that matter. It is like a breath of fresh air. These issues make people really think about life . Love your content , as it is so different from the mindless topics I come across on TH-cam. 💕
In my opinion the idols that say they focus on exercising and being healthy are lying to not worry the fans, they're still dieting and they work out a way more than the average person and spend hours dancing, it's still not healthy in my opinion, that's why a lot of them smoke like ballerinas
If I look at my 90s Gen X school pictures most of us would have been considered underweight.
Average BMI in Korea is going up, Obesity is going up. Like everywhere else.
These K-pop stars are basically training like athletes. Any professional competing dancer is super slim. Nobody is forcing them to participate.
It's all very well being skinny....but when your periods stop, you can't have babies and when you are older your bones snap easily....you will regret being skinny.
According to the “formula” I would have to weight 81lbs…that’s the same weight as a 10 year old…. And in order to to reach 81lbs, I must chop my off my 2 legs. I don’t see how anyone can lose 23lbs otherwise….it’s so sad that they focus on a number on the scale rather than overall health and fitness
It feels so heartbreaking when beautiful people with perfectly normal way diet in such dangerous way.
It feels bad when I see kpop idols who are teens like me doing diet, when I am just enjoying my life , eating whatever I want.
Teenagers should eat sufficient food because these are their growing years.
I am healthy, not too skinny.....
I hope they get to live their life more, as we get it only once.
I like how you tackled this topic. I instantly subscribed.
I went from 80 kg to 58 kg & it took me 1.5 years (18 months) 😭 I'm still trying to lose more. My goal is to reach 54-52 kgs after which I'll stop being on a calorie deficit (My height is 154 cm btw). I'll be real with you. It has been such a hard journey.
For me, there was one thing I always kept in mind. I wanted to change my lifestyle to a healthier one instead of ruining my relationship with food, but also lose weight in the process. I ate as much healthy food as I could throughout the week by cooking at home. I would also excercise regularly for at least 40 minutes (alternating between cardio & strength). However, I didn't deprive myself of "junk food" or higher calorie foods & would indulge from time to time.
I knew that my social life will be affected if I get too strict about what I can or cannot eat. When I went out with friends, I'd usually opt for a salads & juices. However, for instances like parties, official events or when I had lunch/dinner with friends or family during special events, I'd go and eat whatever they had to offer. First of all, if someone makes food for you or organizes an event, I feel like it's so disrespectful to turn down the food they serve (unless you have restrictions due to health issues or don't eat certain things due to religious or ethical reasons, which is understandable). These are the main factors that made me adamant on not going overboard.
I've realised that it's actually a very hard thing to commit to. I felt like giving up so many times when I wouldn't see the scale move. The temptation to just starve myself was intense, but I knew that it's an addictive path; once I get into that cycle, getting out would be very hard.
When you are on your weight loss journey, the initial weight you lose is very fast, but after the initial 1-2 months, progress becomes painfully slow. That's when the urge to start starving kicks in. You want the same results you saw in the first month. However, it's natural for weight loss to slow down because the initial loss is usually water weight.
You CAN lose weight without going overboard. It is possible, but it just takes a lot of time, patience & consistency. Aim for 1.5-2kg per month, that's the healthiest. Honestly, I lost 3 kgs in the initial 1.5 months of my journey & after that, although I target 1.5-2kg, I end up losing a maximum of 1 kg each month 😂 It's because I have my lazy days or days when I let lose & you know what?? I don't feel guilty about it at all. A girl deserves to have fun haha
Personally, I didn't consult any dietician or join a gym. I researched and did things on my own. If anyone wants to know about my diet & excercise routine in detail then please free feel to reply to this & ask questions. I'd be more than happy to help.
Remember: You can do it! Every body type is different so your journey will look different. Just stick to it. If you have a week or month where you didn't follow your routine, then don't punish yourself for it. Just get back on track & start again. It's a process that involves learning, fumbling & getting back up again. However, an overall healthy lifestyle will not only physically, but mentally as well. Focus on that. Discipline can go hand in hand with fun. Forming a new habit takes time. Be kind to yourself.
I also 80kg and become 60kg in a year, and yes now it's getting harder to lose weight. i'm stuck at 60kg for months now, i need to lose at least 5kg to get my ideal weight. but i'm totally okay with my slow progress, since i dont starve myself, eat healthy, and exercise almost everyday. my body is healthy, my mind is healthy, this is more than enough. i started my diet for my appearence, but now i focus more on my health. some people around me still say i'm too fat, but i truly dont care now :))
so real so good , important message !!
ive been a kpop fan for 3 years by now and i haven't fell into an ed stage yet, i almost did though cause shin yuna that womans waist is SNATCHED
I follow Han So Hee and Suzy. I noticed they have lost a lot of weight and it looks dangerous, they don't look prettier nor healthy and it's a shame.
I'm obese then. I'm 1.57m and 57 kilo but I guess 37 is the number🫠 some fogget that muscle weighs more then fat. And some fat is indeed needed sometimes.
The thing about Jimin is that so many people bashed him for his appearance, and then how can it be a surprise he's going on extreme diets. I'm sure it's similar for the other idols.
These idols may be better now, but I'd be hesitant to believe they are not dieting extremely from time to time. For his comeback Jimin was dieting again, he said so himself. He didn't say what he's eating but he had dropped a lot of weight.
I wish people would stop commenting on other people's bodies in general, but especially for idols. If you body shame them, it's easier for them to believe it because seeing yourself on screen all the time can drive you crazy and you notice every imperfection. Then idols that are skinny say they're fat and the kids watching them learn that behaviour too. Please be kind to others, it does come back around.
Haven’t been off TH-cam and social media for a whole year and I’ve noticed they have gotten much more skinnier than when I last was ON!!!!
This is all so fascinating to me. I watched my little sister's deal with trying to conform to the trends and beauty standards of 2000's Canada but this stuff is intense
Something else not mentioned about the female idols - most of them won't even have periods they are that malnourished and underweight. This is extremely dangerous and can lead to osteoporosis as well as many other health conditions. But apparently looking like skeletons is worth it ?
There is a lot of sh*t your idols go through . They might be idols to you but to the companies they are a project and $ signs. That's the harsh reality. A lot of them start out in really bad conditionions not getting paid sleeping in small apartments and a lot of judgement from others. It's all very sad and more. That's why idols like Hwasa and Hyorin (I believe that's how u spell it) that defy the norms are so important, they are few but they show how their standards are unrealistic. And "ugly" people can be just as talented
Thank you so much for this video🥺🙏
I never tried to do a Kpop diet because I know I wouldn’t make it past breakfast
The problem is not only they are doing pretty unhealthy diets but most the goals of that diets are not a healthy weight but mostly being underweight. Most of the idols that went on extreme diets weren't even overweight in first place. The problem are the unrealistic beauty standards of kpop.
A Star cannot be normal. Overvoming all strugglings makes someone who is eager to be a Star with talents
I feel soo sorry for korean actresses and idols.... They are sometimes sooo thin. It's unbelievable an adult could be that thin...
6:00 I did the same thing for three months and nothing changed actually. I lost like 3 kg and i was drained out of energy, so it was absolutely useless, plus it ruined my health and relationship with food.
sadly its also a cycle, from the fans to the angency to the image that people plant on them. sk fans put such a high standard on idols to look a certain way and make them have unrealistic standards which leads to fans also doing the same thing. if things don't change they won't make anything any better
I may b going out on limb here but I can’t help but see a correlation between how idols starved thin bodies are reminiscent of nearly prepubescent bodies (small hips, small chest, loss of period, weakened strength) and the huge market for “Lolita” and “school girl” mangas and anime and other related medias
What the hack? I am 158cm.
158-130 = 38 kg??????????
I'm 55kg so I would need to loose 17KG?????
Impossible
And close the window! I’m worried the clock will fall and hit someone!
The singer Nessa Barrett brings this topic, how someone has to look like, to the public with her song "dying on the inside".
Rachel i looked up beauty in the dictionary and saw your picture!
Just the fact that it is somehow OK to be over 1.60cm and to weigh anywhere around 40kgs is INSANE to me. I'm 1.65 and at one point in my life I weighed around 53kgs and I often had to buy XS in clothes sizes. Not to mention I was feeling rather on the weak side. I cannot even imagine how it feels to be 10kgs less than that which is the standard for female idols.
Actually, there are some benefits to fasting. Eating once a day or fasting for 24 to 48 hours.
Exercising and eating healthy is the way! Lost 15lbs in 6 months like that :)
Frankly I think a large part of this stems from the way idols are forced UNrealistically to try and fit into so called "Ideal Korean Cultural Beauty Standards" which often lean heavily towards *thin, *skinny, *Pale, *Narrow..etc
These kpop companies literally use starvation along with plastic surgeries as a process to try and force chisel down Idols to fit those cultural beauty standards..
All these idols that are suddenly having bad health problems is the fallout from this practice.
I mean ...being on a diet alone isn't good for your health, but idols also need to practice their dance choreographies which is physically exhausting, especially if you don't have the energy food would normally give you.
I used to be the biggest out of all my siblings and it made me depressed so I wouldn't eat or eat less then 500 calories a day for days to weeks. I did end up losing about 80lbs but was still hot happy and wanted to lose more.i did have less energy but it wasn't extreme. Then I gained all the wait plus more back when I went to college and after I dropped out I became stressed that I gained it all back so I went back to what I did before and it took a couple years but I lost a little over 100lbs and was very malnourished and just went to work then sleep but I still wasn't happy and wanted to loose about 10 more pounds which would be considered the lower number of the "normal mbi weight"of someone my height. Around this time I figured barely eating wasn't helping and stated to exercise which helped but wasn't getting the body I wanted so I had to put more protein in what I ate and slowly I started to gain muscle but everytime my legs got bigger I had to stop eating. I didn't want to go over a certain size cause I thought I would just keep going until I was at my highest weight again. But now I do struggle some times but if I really want to eat or binge eat I don't really care if I gain a little weight I'm more confident now that I'm what works for me in a healthy way to get to a decent weight for myself and thank God I didn't really get any heath problems from it other then digestive issues
To be honest... Fasting is so healthy! I think if they do these for just 10 days it's actually very beneficial to their health! However... yes! The pressure in Korea is very toxic! They shouldn't feel so much pressure!
I remember how little I ate and how hard i excercised to become 45kg... physically I felt horrible. I felt weak and cold all the time, I remember I even became insecure of my thigh gap when previously i was insecure of my thick thighs.. how fast things had changed. I don't regret gaining weight to become more healthier at al! I am now 54-55kg, and my height is 166cm
I need to be 35kg LOL that's a BMI of 14.5 😨
actually, i'll be 46kg with their formula, i'm 166cm and honestly it's my goal weight
92 lbs😳That is the weight of a 10yr old. OMG!
Gomawoyo Rachel Kim!!!
This is not a diet. This is torture.
And Jimin even passed out after performing with a friend!!!!!! There's a video of that!!!!