I installed a 21+ liter tank in every vmax I have owned. Both first gen & my 2nd gen bikes and it really changed how I rode the bikes. I also added forward pegs on my 09 max and a custom seat along with ISO grips. I swapped out the exhaust and had a "nash flash" done to remap the ecu to new exhaust system. Adding a custom exhaust system easily removes 60lbs of weight making the bike lighter and improving handling. A lot of the design changes on the new Vmax don't make a whole lot of sense. In a lot of ways they just keep up with the looks of the first gen bike. I wish the system status was enabled by default when you start the bike. I also wish you could customize the startup message to be something more personal other than "Time to ride this V-max".
As has my 95 VMax (Canada Model). Centerstand AND self cancelling turn signals. For the Centerstand there is the problem with the exhaust system but the turn signal... no idea.
Nice honest video Jeff. I appreciate that. I was one of the people that YAMA came to visit to inquire about what we wanted in the Gen 2,,and I was somewhat shocked when I saw the unveiling, and I just did not want to pull the trigger to buy one. The 05 is the greatest cycle I have ever owned or ridden, and I really wanted and expected a rework of that legend, and I have written several times of what I wanted to see. Today Yama has two machines I like,, the FJR and the MT10, and if they ever bring the MT10 SP to the USA I might have to buy it. The MT10 with the Moore Mafia Flash and a pipe, for a $660 investment, give's 158 HP RW and 79 Torque RW in a mid 400 + pound machine, close to perfection in the SP model. Both rocking the R1 motor in a naked upright machine. :)
Thanks Jay. I also like the FJR and am considering it as a third bike in a couple of years. However, it is currently behind the 2021 BMW R1250 RT in both looks and technology as far as I'm concerned. Yamaha hasn't upgraded the FJR in a while and that display looks like it came from 1991. 🤣 If Yamaha adds some color choices and a TFT display, I'll give it another look.
@@JeffMarcum Yes Jeff, Yama is very slow to make upgrades, and at times one must wonder what is wrong with their marketing, etc. For instance the MT10 SP is not even offered in the USA, at present, but I am told it may be in 2022. I also think the FJR days are numbered but that 1300 engine could be put to use in another platform, juiced way up and be the new MAX, but I think emission regulations will kill all performance bikes in the very near future. I will take a closer look at the BMW, problem is there are no dealers within 150 miles of me. :)
@@JeffMarcum Jeff, I checked out the BMW and the Base Gold Wing,,the Base Wing is so bad AZZ I would consider no other if I wanted a touring machine!! :) However, if I did not want a machine so heavy and so expensive I would still go FJR, even if the display is not a TFT. But I am not interested in touring, that is why I have the 5x8, and I would most likely go MT10 SP for my next machine. :) BTW, the FJR still has the center stand :)
@@Jay_Hall Hey Jay, The VMAX is the ultimate one-up short distance bike, while the Gold Wing Tour is the ultimate two-up long distance bike. After getting the Gold Wing, I will have both extremes covered. However, I want a sport tourer as something in between as a one-up medium/long distance bike. As for the BMW R1250 RT, I am a bit intrigued by its boxer and would like to give it a try. Each bike will offer a different riding experience, so I shouldn't get bored. 😎 The Beamer also has a center stand, is lighter than the FJR, and sits almost two inches lower than the FJR. Therefore, it's just a better fit for me...considering my size. Oddly enough, both the Beamer and the Gold Wing sit lower than the VMAX.
@@JeffMarcum Jeff, I believe the engine design on the Wing and BMW account for the lower seat height. I guess the real truth will come when you ride them both and do a comparison,I would love to see your response to those test rides. :) In Europe YAMA offers a lower seat for the MAX.
Being a Gen 2 Vmax owner. The only thing I think the gen 2 could do better is the self cancelling turn signals and get a computer to start the engine on the first or second crank. That is just the worst when you have a super long crank to start. The computer system on this bike is made by denso (Toyota). Other then that the bike is near perfect. Have no regrets on riding my gen 1 or gen 2 Vmax!
Two other points. I would like to have cruise control to give my right hand an occasional rest. Yamaha could have included cruise control at practically no cost. The wheel speed sensors are already there because of the ABS brakes. The throttle-by-wire is already there. The computer is already there. The only thing lacking is a couple of buttons on the handlebars and software. I'm not sure Yamaha could have put a bigger fuel tank down there and meet government crash standards. I've seen some of the after-market tank installations. They expand the tank into every nook and cranny, into the side covers, and even right up against the rear fender.
The 1700 VMAX is a fabulous bike in many respects. From sheer build quality, uniqueness, presence, cache .... the list could go on. If I could change anything major though it would be to lose a good 50kg (100 pounds) in weight and put in a larger fuel tank befitting that amazing 1700cc gas guzzling engine. Minor things would be sensibly positioned pillion footpegs and incorporate the gear indicator into the speedometer. I supposed you could say it’s brilliantly flawed, but it’s still brilliant!
Yep I usually fuel mine with 93 octane, ethanol free towards the end of each ride and it’s still off full before I park it. lol. I’m only good for about 100 miles so ok with it’s limited range. 🏍
You know.. you could just get down on your knees, grab the handle grip and lean the bike over to center to check the sight glass. Thays a minor gripe. Same with the break reservoir. Both can be accurately check, off the bike.
Another solution for the Center Stand is having a front tire chock. There are some good ones that accommodates the whole front tire to be flush to the ground which is better than putting the bike on rear stands as it won't give "false" reading by having rear slightly raised...but that's a $$ solution...
Would you have a center stand on a large Harley/heavy cruiser? That part was nit picking... I agree with the fuel tank. I had a Yamaha MT-01 and had the same small tank and low range; so same issue. The instrument panel is more linking it to the old V-Max more than practicality, so "heritage" more than function. Maybe there will be a company that could be able to create a TFT screen for it one day ;P. And yes, I agree, you don't want to look down the whole time to the screen, but the speedo is much better placed and you will watch that more of the time anyway. And again, yes it is a performance cruiser, not a sports bike for the suspension setup. You change it one time and will mostly keep it that way. The panel for the fuse box is also just nit picking. How many key panels will you need just to make your once in a while electrical trouble shooting "easier?" All in all I only agree with the fuel tank that may be too small. The rest is just nit picking really.
I love mine. I agree it needs more range. Self cancel signals..eh.center stand ? Damn heavy as it is. Still it's my second one If there was a gen 3 I'd be in line for it.
VMAX has always been on my radar since I first saw one in the 80s. I’ve waited until I had the proper discipline and respect to get one and I’m there haha. In my future! Thanks for the videos. Just curious. What are your top 3 cruiser choices?
The the coolant level is hard for me to see even when the reservoir is level. Mechanically I love the VMax. Same here with the center stand since I also formally owned a V65. Even if they made one for the VMax with a quick attachment . Not a lot of aftermarket parts to be found either. The VMax is a lonely beast, but it always puts me in a much better place. Take care Jeff🏍
I would add an aftermarket center stand if it were available. I know what you mean about the coolant level. It is hard to see the fluid in the container...it takes the perfect amount of light. A flashlight doesn't help either. I think the reservoir needs to be clear rather than white.
Self-cancelling turn signals? Yes they could have easily done that. My 2005 Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe has them (also the Royal Star Ventures). Oil sight glass? Yep same on my bike. Why not at least make the marks usable when on the factory side stand? Or why not a dipstick attached to the oil filler like most others? Oh well, nothing is perfect. Although I would have loved to have seen them put the 1700 V4 from the V-Max into the new Venture TC and Eluder instead of the 1900 air-cooled.
lol.The oil doesn't register until the bike is almost vertical.Dipstick wouldn't work.Nor a redesigned eye port.Guess ya need to do it the ol fashioned way.Balance the bike at the vertical while checking the sightglass.Either that or place a wood block under the kickstand to bring it almost to vertical.If you've put the correct amount in,then it should always read that in the glass.Remember the mark it's at,and go by that I guess.It IS a cumbersome beast.4 gallon tank?Geez.No thanks.
Do you find that your V-Max was a better choice than other bikes such as the rocket 3, or the diavel. Do you miss items at the others offer like heated grips, USB power port, updated electronics that connect to Bluetooth. Just wondering, I've always loved the VMax and looking for a new bike and considering it. But it seems like the more I research, the more options the vmax doesn't have.
I didn't consider those bikes because there were no dealers near me and I was considered about future service and maintenance issues. Now that I have a trailer that opens up more options during future bike purchases. You are correct, the VMAX has none of today's technology, but I bought it knowing I wouldn't be riding it on long distance trips. I will be getting other bikes in the future for that (Gold Wing, BMW R1250 RT).
The clutch is smooth...as is normally the case with hydraulic clutches. I am planning on a night ride with the camera, so I will, post that when it happens.
@@JeffMarcum I do quite a bit of night riding and find that the low beam is easily over ridden even at lower speed. I may upgrade to a LED if I can find one that’s a perfect replacement that works.
Jeff, I own a 2015 and I would say that one of the things that bother me a bit is sitting at a stoplight, it’s kind of hard to put your legs down as the foot pegs are in the way. Do you have this problem too? Thanks and I think the blacked out version is absolutely beautiful! I blacked out some of mine and was thinking about wrapping it satin black? Any suggestions?!
I know what you mean about the foot pegs. When I was shopping for bikes last year, some got in the way. However, for me, maybe because I'm short, I can put my legs down behind the VMAX foot pegs without interference. As for color, when I was considering changing the color on mine, I was going to swap the fenders and top cover with 2017 VMAX fenders and top cover (red) rather than wrap it.
You hit all my dislikes spot on. But there's one more. When you get around to changing the tires the damn back tire won't fit past the anti rotation hub for the back caliper. You have to remove that to or it won't go past it. Its about 1/4" too long. To remove it you have to use a long extension going through the wheel and the thing is on there!!
danny, make sure the recall on the oil pump was done, there may have also been a tranny gear problem, and wiring harness. Make sure you get a great deal as 1st model year can be a problem child! :)
I have never bought a used bike, so I don't have much to offer. However, I will say that 5800 miles is really low for a bike that age. Now that production has ceased, there is now a finite number of VMAXs available. In case the owner isn't aware of this fact, don't let him know...the price may go up. 🤐
@@JeffMarcum thanks Jeff I was worried about mileage rollback or if the speedo cluster may have been swapped out..he doesn't seem to have to many people that want to buy it.
The Vmax is the king of road. Across all categories. It's simply in a category of its own. I wouldn't even call it a cruiser. It is the Darth Vader of all bikes. I don't think any of the reasons stated in this video are serious enough not to buy this bike. And coming from one of your previous videos regarding the color theme please allow me to say that the black on black in simply epic. Not to mention very rare. So it carries additional value. The only thing that I would change on this bike is that rear tire. It affects the ergonomics and the bike simply will not turn. Not to mention impossible to maneuver around when stopped. I understand it needs the flat curve to simply hold the bike upright but its such a drawback. It is the only reason I decided to buy the Diavel 1260s over the Vmax although I was struggling for a very long time to make a decision. But the Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3 although being a 240 rear tire along with the almost excellent ergonomics of the Diavel 1260s make it so much easier to maneuver. It is very sad as I really loved to have the vmax in my garage although it is getting near impossible to find a new one anymore. Perhaps one day I can get the 2020 model second hand.
Only things I hate about the Gen 2. No self cancelling turns. No center stand. Other than that....nothing needs to be messed with for the most powerful muscle bike to date.
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I installed a 21+ liter tank in every vmax I have owned. Both first gen & my 2nd gen bikes and it really changed how I rode the bikes. I also added forward pegs on my 09 max and a custom seat along with ISO grips. I swapped out the exhaust and had a "nash flash" done to remap the ecu to new exhaust system. Adding a custom exhaust system easily removes 60lbs of weight making the bike lighter and improving handling. A lot of the design changes on the new Vmax don't make a whole lot of sense. In a lot of ways they just keep up with the looks of the first gen bike. I wish the system status was enabled by default when you start the bike. I also wish you could customize the startup message to be something more personal other than "Time to ride this V-max".
yeah heck Jeff, my 1981 Yamaha XS1100 has a centerstand,,,,,,,and "Self-cancelling turn-signals"!
As has my 95 VMax (Canada Model). Centerstand AND self cancelling turn signals.
For the Centerstand there is the problem with the exhaust system but the turn signal... no idea.
Nice honest video Jeff. I appreciate that. I was one of the people that YAMA came to visit to inquire about what we wanted in the Gen 2,,and I was somewhat shocked when I saw the unveiling, and I just did not want to pull the trigger to buy one. The 05 is the greatest cycle I have ever owned or ridden, and I really wanted and expected a rework of that legend, and I have written several times of what I wanted to see. Today Yama has two machines I like,, the FJR and the MT10, and if they ever bring the MT10 SP to the USA I might have to buy it. The MT10 with the Moore Mafia Flash and a pipe, for a $660 investment, give's 158 HP RW and 79 Torque RW in a mid 400 + pound machine, close to perfection in the SP model. Both rocking the R1 motor in a naked upright machine. :)
Thanks Jay. I also like the FJR and am considering it as a third bike in a couple of years. However, it is currently behind the 2021 BMW R1250 RT in both looks and technology as far as I'm concerned. Yamaha hasn't upgraded the FJR in a while and that display looks like it came from 1991. 🤣 If Yamaha adds some color choices and a TFT display, I'll give it another look.
@@JeffMarcum Yes Jeff, Yama is very slow to make upgrades, and at times one must wonder what is wrong with their marketing, etc. For instance the MT10 SP is not even offered in the USA, at present, but I am told it may be in 2022. I also think the FJR days are numbered but that 1300 engine could be put to use in another platform, juiced way up and be the new MAX, but I think emission regulations will kill all performance bikes in the very near future. I will take a closer look at the BMW, problem is there are no dealers within 150 miles of me. :)
@@JeffMarcum Jeff, I checked out the BMW and the Base Gold Wing,,the Base Wing is so bad AZZ I would consider no other if I wanted a touring machine!! :) However, if I did not want a machine so heavy and so expensive I would still go FJR, even if the display is not a TFT. But I am not interested in touring, that is why I have the 5x8, and I would most likely go MT10 SP for my next machine. :) BTW, the FJR still has the center stand :)
@@Jay_Hall Hey Jay, The VMAX is the ultimate one-up short distance bike, while the Gold Wing Tour is the ultimate two-up long distance bike. After getting the Gold Wing, I will have both extremes covered. However, I want a sport tourer as something in between as a one-up medium/long distance bike. As for the BMW R1250 RT, I am a bit intrigued by its boxer and would like to give it a try. Each bike will offer a different riding experience, so I shouldn't get bored. 😎 The Beamer also has a center stand, is lighter than the FJR, and sits almost two inches lower than the FJR. Therefore, it's just a better fit for me...considering my size. Oddly enough, both the Beamer and the Gold Wing sit lower than the VMAX.
@@JeffMarcum Jeff, I believe the engine design on the Wing and BMW account for the lower seat height. I guess the real truth will come when you ride them both and do a comparison,I would love to see your response to those test rides. :) In Europe YAMA offers a lower seat for the MAX.
Being a Gen 2 Vmax owner. The only thing I think the gen 2 could do better is the self cancelling turn signals and get a computer to start the engine on the first or second crank. That is just the worst when you have a super long crank to start. The computer system on this bike is made by denso (Toyota). Other then that the bike is near perfect. Have no regrets on riding my gen 1 or gen 2 Vmax!
You pose a good point! As the owner of a Gen 1, I think the Gen 2 is a significantly different bike.
You almost need to own both versions!!
The only thing I don’t like about it is the lack of a 6th gear and a quick shifter
Two other points.
I would like to have cruise control to give my right hand an occasional rest. Yamaha could have included cruise control at practically no cost. The wheel speed sensors are already there because of the ABS brakes. The throttle-by-wire is already there. The computer is already there. The only thing lacking is a couple of buttons on the handlebars and software.
I'm not sure Yamaha could have put a bigger fuel tank down there and meet government crash standards. I've seen some of the after-market tank installations. They expand the tank into every nook and cranny, into the side covers, and even right up against the rear fender.
Shed a few pounds off the bike and put cruise control on it as well. Still love it anyway.
The 1700 VMAX is a fabulous bike in many respects. From sheer build quality, uniqueness, presence, cache .... the list could go on. If I could change anything major though it would be to lose a good 50kg (100 pounds) in weight and put in a larger fuel tank befitting that amazing 1700cc gas guzzling engine. Minor things would be sensibly positioned pillion footpegs and incorporate the gear indicator into the speedometer. I supposed you could say it’s brilliantly flawed, but it’s still brilliant!
I agree with what you said about the rear foot pegs: they are not comfortable at all. I'm glad I don't ride back there. 😂
@@JeffMarcum My rule of thumb on the MAX,,NO RIDERS allowed,,except I did take my daughter for a ride,,once. :)
Fuel is my main complaint 😳
They love gas too?
Yep I usually fuel mine with 93 octane, ethanol free towards the end of each ride and it’s still off full before I park it. lol. I’m only good for about 100 miles so ok with it’s limited range. 🏍
@@jared2661able put .5 oz 2 cycle oil in gas .gas to dry .make it run smooth
@@KennyG233 I’ve thought about Marvel mystery oil. I use it occasionally in my other vehicles and like u said seems to smooth out
@@KennyG233 ?????
I have trouble putting any bike over 600 lbs on a center stand especially a Kawasaki Concours, I put blocks of wood to level it on the side stand
You know.. you could just get down on your knees, grab the handle grip and lean the bike over to center to check the sight glass.
Thays a minor gripe. Same with the break reservoir.
Both can be accurately check, off the bike.
Another solution for the Center Stand is having a front tire chock. There are some good ones that accommodates the whole front tire to be flush to the ground which is better than putting the bike on rear stands as it won't give "false" reading by having rear slightly raised...but that's a $$ solution...
What I’m looking for is a jack to lift the whole bike. That way I can easily remove the wheels.
Would you have a center stand on a large Harley/heavy cruiser? That part was nit picking...
I agree with the fuel tank. I had a Yamaha MT-01 and had the same small tank and low range; so same issue.
The instrument panel is more linking it to the old V-Max more than practicality, so "heritage" more than function. Maybe there will be a company that could be able to create a TFT screen for it one day ;P. And yes, I agree, you don't want to look down the whole time to the screen, but the speedo is much better placed and you will watch that more of the time anyway.
And again, yes it is a performance cruiser, not a sports bike for the suspension setup. You change it one time and will mostly keep it that way.
The panel for the fuse box is also just nit picking. How many key panels will you need just to make your once in a while electrical trouble shooting "easier?"
All in all I only agree with the fuel tank that may be too small. The rest is just nit picking really.
I love mine. I agree it needs more range. Self cancel signals..eh.center stand ? Damn heavy as it is. Still it's my second one
If there was a gen 3 I'd be in line for it.
A Gen 3 would certainly get my attention as well. Thanks for watching and commenting.
The rear subframe is only 5.5 kilos something. Mine broke and had to be replaced.
VMAX has always been on my radar since I first saw one in the 80s. I’ve waited until I had the proper discipline and respect to get one and I’m there haha. In my future! Thanks for the videos. Just curious. What are your top 3 cruiser choices?
There were no other cruiser choices for me. Other bikes I would have gotten if the VMAX didn’t exist would have been the Gold Wing, FJR1300, R1250RT.
The coolant reservoir needs more transparency.
I had to replace my rear subframe because the back end broke on both sides.
The the coolant level is hard for me to see even when the reservoir is level. Mechanically I love the VMax. Same here with the center stand since I also formally owned a V65. Even if they made one for the VMax with a quick attachment . Not a lot of aftermarket parts to be found either. The VMax is a lonely beast, but it always puts me in a much better place. Take care Jeff🏍
I would add an aftermarket center stand if it were available. I know what you mean about the coolant level. It is hard to see the fluid in the container...it takes the perfect amount of light. A flashlight doesn't help either. I think the reservoir needs to be clear rather than white.
Self-cancelling turn signals? Yes they could have easily done that. My 2005 Yamaha Royal Star Tour Deluxe has them (also the Royal Star Ventures). Oil sight glass? Yep same on my bike. Why not at least make the marks usable when on the factory side stand? Or why not a dipstick attached to the oil filler like most others?
Oh well, nothing is perfect. Although I would have loved to have seen them put the 1700 V4 from the V-Max into the new Venture TC and Eluder instead of the 1900 air-cooled.
lol.The oil doesn't register until the bike is almost vertical.Dipstick wouldn't work.Nor a redesigned eye port.Guess ya need to do it the ol fashioned way.Balance the bike at the vertical while checking the sightglass.Either that or place a wood block under the kickstand to bring it almost to vertical.If you've put the correct amount in,then it should always read that in the glass.Remember the mark it's at,and go by that I guess.It IS a cumbersome beast.4 gallon tank?Geez.No thanks.
New sub here how much does a beautiful motorcycle like this cost?thanks for all your time you put into your channel.
It was $20,000 USD out the door. Thanks for watching and subscribing.
Do you find that your V-Max was a better choice than other bikes such as the rocket 3, or the diavel. Do you miss items at the others offer like heated grips, USB power port, updated electronics that connect to Bluetooth.
Just wondering, I've always loved the VMax and looking for a new bike and considering it. But it seems like the more I research, the more options the vmax doesn't have.
I didn't consider those bikes because there were no dealers near me and I was considered about future service and maintenance issues. Now that I have a trailer that opens up more options during future bike purchases. You are correct, the VMAX has none of today's technology, but I bought it knowing I wouldn't be riding it on long distance trips. I will be getting other bikes in the future for that (Gold Wing, BMW R1250 RT).
Good video, could you tell me about it clutch experience and light on night time? Thanks
The clutch is smooth...as is normally the case with hydraulic clutches. I am planning on a night ride with the camera, so I will, post that when it happens.
@@JeffMarcum I do quite a bit of night riding and find that the low beam is easily over ridden even at lower speed. I may upgrade to a LED if I can find one that’s a perfect replacement that works.
Jeff, I own a 2015 and I would say that one of the things that bother me a bit is sitting at a stoplight, it’s kind of hard to put your legs down as the foot pegs are in the way. Do you have this problem too? Thanks and I think the blacked out version is absolutely beautiful! I blacked out some of mine and was thinking about wrapping it satin black? Any suggestions?!
I know what you mean about the foot pegs. When I was shopping for bikes last year, some got in the way. However, for me, maybe because I'm short, I can put my legs down behind the VMAX foot pegs without interference. As for color, when I was considering changing the color on mine, I was going to swap the fenders and top cover with 2017 VMAX fenders and top cover (red) rather than wrap it.
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You hit all my dislikes spot on. But there's one more. When you get around to changing the tires the damn back tire won't fit past the anti rotation hub for the back caliper. You have to remove that to or it won't go past it. Its about 1/4" too long. To remove it you have to use a long extension going through the wheel and the thing is on there!!
Thanks for sharing that information.
I video recorded everything with my phone even the engine oil level
Hi Jeff I'm looking to buy a 09 vmax seller says it has 5800 miles for a 12year old bike...any comments about this....thanks
danny, make sure the recall on the oil pump was done, there may have also been a tranny gear problem, and wiring harness. Make sure you get a great deal as 1st model year can be a problem child! :)
I have never bought a used bike, so I don't have much to offer. However, I will say that 5800 miles is really low for a bike that age. Now that production has ceased, there is now a finite number of VMAXs available. In case the owner isn't aware of this fact, don't let him know...the price may go up. 🤐
@@Jay_Hall thanks Jay ...I was worried about a mileage roll back by changing the speedo cluster and he doesn't have many people looking to buy it..
@@JeffMarcum thanks Jeff I was worried about mileage rollback or if the speedo cluster may have been swapped out..he doesn't seem to have to many people that want to buy it.
Very good points 👍, some of the engineers need to be fired for being dumb ....
The Vmax is the king of road. Across all categories. It's simply in a category of its own. I wouldn't even call it a cruiser. It is the Darth Vader of all bikes. I don't think any of the reasons stated in this video are serious enough not to buy this bike. And coming from one of your previous videos regarding the color theme please allow me to say that the black on black in simply epic. Not to mention very rare. So it carries additional value. The only thing that I would change on this bike is that rear tire. It affects the ergonomics and the bike simply will not turn. Not to mention impossible to maneuver around when stopped. I understand it needs the flat curve to simply hold the bike upright but its such a drawback. It is the only reason I decided to buy the Diavel 1260s over the Vmax although I was struggling for a very long time to make a decision. But the Pirelli Diablo Rosso 3 although being a 240 rear tire along with the almost excellent ergonomics of the Diavel 1260s make it so much easier to maneuver. It is very sad as I really loved to have the vmax in my garage although it is getting near impossible to find a new one anymore. Perhaps one day I can get the 2020 model second hand.
lol dude stop vmax its perfect lol wtf got 2014 center stand lol
The mile range is fucked up. 100 miles is nothing. Deal braker
Only things I hate about the Gen 2.
No self cancelling turns.
No center stand.
Other than that....nothing needs to be messed with for the most powerful muscle bike to date.
no such thing as a perfect merder cycle
no chrome on it, the lights look cheap...looks like made in China more than Japan. To much plastic..The fuel tank plastic ?
Must be a Harley rider 😂🤣
@@rokhedjo Vulcan 1500 Classic ... chromed out with Carb ...big 4 gallon tank.. upgraded to all LEd lights and Cobra pipes
@@rokhedjo also have 79 Xs1100 Yamaha . has kick start
Chrome? It's not a Harley....
agh chrome is over rated