how does this still have less than 300 views. this is well researched, thorough, and a wonderful exploration of the origins of the edh format. wonderful work. keep it up
Funny how I've also been a dota player dragged into EDH, and even used to watch your stuff back in the day! Watching ur vids is like revisiting my old house, its cozy and brings fond memories. Glad to see you still exploring games and game design as a whole, keep up the good work :)
Dig the deep dive, and I love the weird, wonderful world of Commander. Glad to have you, and glad to see someone who deeply cares about the history that is so fleeting in this digital age. Best of luck with Kokusho!
Great video, I myself am somewhat of a new player having started in 2017, but if you have only 1 year of experience in Commander it may be hard to grasp the level of power creep the game has been through, I can clearly see Kokusho being a solid strong commander in a world that predates "FIRE design"
I always thought that EDH had the same rules as commander but with 5 dragons as generals. However there was much more to those early version of the format that I didn't know. Great video!
13:01 probably yes but also if those were the center pages magazines would either put posters or full spread ads there because there wouldn't be a crease in the way to mess up the artwork. Just look up other magazines from the time like videogame or cartoon magazines. You were usually encouraged to unstaple the middle section once you were bored with the magazine and keep the posters on your bedroom walls, centerfolds weren't limited to just gentleman magazines 😁
Great vid Baumi. BTW I was almost killed by a lightpaws dealing massive commander damage (that they forced me to track) at a cEDH tournament this weekend, he ended up forcing the table into a draw to prevent kingmaking and getting everyone a point. Just thought you might get a kick out of the frustrations of commander damage in tournament settings haha
in this youtube environment of most videos sounding like they are made by an AI or sourced from one uncredited article, it's so nice too see such a well researched and thorough video.
I started playing EDH back in 2011, and man do I miss it. I miss the weird games, the oddball generals you'd normally never see playing competitive constructed, and being able to play your dollar rares/mythics or cards with walls of text. There was a sense of personalization that's missing now. You would really put your style and personality into a deck before you started tuning it.
Depends on the friends group; if you are playing casual magic you can agree on certain terms. We did "everybody is allowed to buy a commander for 3 bucks and then throws together his bulk or other stuff that isn't used in a real deck". Very fun and you get decks that nobody would play anymore; often with mechanics that just can't compete normally. Sure, it's way slower and pretty janky but you wouldn't play those cards even again otherwise.
My girlfriend built a kokusho deck. it's a solid strategy, but it does so much drain it becomes really difficult to catch up with it after it dies even once, let alone it being looped multiple times. She stopped playing it because it essentially won the game after kokusho died once and she was able to very consistently do it again very quickly, which ends games very quickly. I can understand why it was banned at one point, but there's definitely been a lot of power creep since then that makes the strategy less crazy in the current state of play. Definitely still a very powerful piece that doesn't mesh well with more casual tables.
great video. been playing since 2011 and you brought light to some things i didn't know. One thing i felt that should be added is more sheldon. he has a video which he goes over the history which would have some great soundbites. also maybe go over some of his decks, in particular his "you did this to yourself" list. thanx will share
43:53 They kinda did one other community wide deck building challenge pretty recently. For pride month this year, they made an event in which players were allowed to treat all commanders as though they had the Partner keyword. It wasn’t a change to the ban list and only existed as an event people could attend, but it did add a new spin on the commander format
Man I put your video in the background while doing something and was like "His voice sounds like the dota channel I watch", what a surprise it was to see your face when I put the video back on screen ! Hope this channel becomes as successful as your other one
i think Kokusho's attention stems from the fact that in the era, it was a relatively modern card so proccing her trigger was the most accessible way to turn edh into archenemy with the 20 point life swing against each opponent in a four player game. and it's so easy to build a deck around reanimation that it wasn't the first Koku trigger that ended the game, it was the second one.
That situation when you run into a guy playing magic who has been playing for 10 years and is also younger than the time you've played magic for? Making those of us in our 30's feel ancient?
I stated paying edh in '09 during senior year of high school. And yes, the power level of the format used to be *much* lower and kokusho was a huge pain. If you're curious about it you could try making a predh deck (only cards from before commander 2011)
This was a super enjoyable watch. It feels the opposite of watching the Stories of Dota Video. I've never completed a game of Dota 2, and I've only been watching coverage of that game since around the Introduction of Primal Beast (my fav hero to watch btw), where as in magic I've been playing the game since 2001/2002ish without a break and at some point during that journey I opened a singles store which is now one of the big 3 in New Zealand. So yeah, it's interesting to walk down this memory lane from a perspective of someone who wasn't there. A couple of notes, a lot of my groan moments with Kokusho came from Rite of Replication, a card you couldn't play in Kokusho, but basically every blue deck was running it at the time and a kicked Rite of Replication targeting Kokusho often killed the table on the spot. The Un-Sets being legal in 2017 (wow, was it really that long ago, it doesn't feel like it) was a bit of a disaster. Un-cards should really be a playgroup by playgroup issue. Some people find un-cards a lot of fun, while others have had less than ideal experiences with them. Unhinged was played a lot in our local precursor to Commander, a format called Highlander. 5 Colours singleton, 20 life and the ones people decided to play with most just made games more miserable. Some examples for you. Name Dropping. Good card, makes the entire table stop speaking, which is pretty counter to the social aspect of the game. Cheatyface. This was particularly obnoxious before the clarification that it was only once per turn and only from your hand. It is a card that would basically always be in play and got old REAL FAST. Chaos Confetti. ripping this card up and throwing it over a players board was fun in theory, in practice it knocked one player completely out of the game leading to miserable experiences. Blacker Lotus. There's a lot of jank you can do in magic. One person in our playgroup built a deck where they would steal your card, turn it into a Blacker Lotus and ask if you would like to concede before I rip up your card. One of the bigger (physically) players in our group responded with "Rip it up and I'll punch you in the face." Not a pleasant situation. Entirely Normal Armchair. I nipped this one in the bud pretty quickly after experiencing cheatyface. The Entirely Normal Armchair playmat is pretty funny though. R&D's Secret Lair. Ever had anyone decide it would be a fun idea to see how broken this card actually is? Staying Power. Ever had anyone hit you with a Xantid Swarm and then cast this? I have. In Summary, Un-cards can be fun if your playgroup shares the same idea of fun, but is basically awful for "pub games".
50:30 This made me go check your previous video on the topic, and although it never bothered me personally, I must admit those were some very valid concerns. I didn't enjoy any of your suggestions, but you've got me inspired and brainstorming. I might start testing those ideas around, should be fun. Thank you!
Without question, Commander is the best tcg format ever created, and I say that as someone who played a lot of competitive Standard. Both casual and competitive, it’s just all around a more fun game.
Nice topic! Edh history is largely vague and a bit hard to dig into so kudos to compiling it here. Ps. I can't believe the banned as commander list was 4 cards when it got zapped. I thought it was ten! Maybe I was thinking of French duel commander, hard to say.
i think i've cooked up a way to abolish commander damage without skewing the powerbalance to lifegain decks. what if commander damage was gone but life totals were capped at 50. you can gain life up to that point but trying to go to 51 or 100 or arbitrarily large life gets you to 50.
At about @33:00, I'd disagree. Warhammer tournaments have a few categories of "victory." There is the obvious "beat all opponents," but it is a hobby space too, so best painted army is a category, and there is also a good sportsmanship award too. As stinky (physically and personality wise) MTG players can be, the Warhammer community is probs worse, yet there is a good sportsmanship award.
So when the Fire Nation (WotC) intervened to EDH, it started the formats downfall. IMO, the old original EDH is more unique and complex compared to today's commander set up where everything is just available and allowed. More freedom of card selection means more unbalanced gameplays with too much OP cards and with cards specifically printed for multiplayer gameplay. Having the format divided with the "Casuals" and the "Competitives" means the banlist is outdated. I remember when the format is just for a casual game in my spare time and in a nonbusy weekend, but now the format has now overwhelmed every format with the pressure for you to play competitively so you won't be left behind from your playgroup. Gone are the days when I can just get away from a competitive mtg games, but now every game is just a stream of spiked out decks with auto-includes. EDH has lost it's granduer imo.
I think commander damage should accumulate from all commanders. This gives the table the option to pool together against one player in the lead and encourage the interactions that we love to talk about years later.
I celebrated banned as commanders removal because it wasn't useful then. I want banned as commander now because it would be useful now. We now have dozens of problematic commanders and even some new commander bans that have no problem in the 99. Banned as commander was bad when it was here because problematic commanders weren't common. Now that they are it should be brought back. Tho wotc wouldn't do that.
Wait, 99.9% sure that Griselbrand was on the Banned as a Commander list. Cuz I used to have him in my Shadowborn Apostle deck n would search him up every single time as my 1st demon n he was basically my pseudo commander. Weird, looking up the history of the ban list n ya, it was just banned n never banned as a commander... wut other universe did I come from where that was a thing?? I guess I found another Mandela effect 😹. But while I was there I did see that other cards were on the banned as a commander list but they didn't stay on it for long, whereas Rofellos got unbanned n then rebanned 😹 so that list was kinda treated the same way as the digital temporary bannings on Arena. But ya, it was an extra rule that only effected a handful of cards so y bother making things extra complicated
Engaging the algorithm to make sure this spreads everywhere it needs to go
Really ? I was about to do the same ! 😂😅
Same😊
I’m engaging
Also i laughed out loud at the commander damage reveal. Amazing
how does this still have less than 300 views. this is well researched, thorough, and a wonderful exploration of the origins of the edh format. wonderful work. keep it up
I know right, it's amazing.
19k views
This is an absolutely amazing video. Perfect recap of Commander. Great work!
I might not play magic but I love history videos about games! Especially when they're well researched and presented. Awesome video
AMAZING research, editing, and audio quality. Excited to see this channel hit it big!
Funny how I've also been a dota player dragged into EDH, and even used to watch your stuff back in the day! Watching ur vids is like revisiting my old house, its cozy and brings fond memories. Glad to see you still exploring games and game design as a whole, keep up the good work :)
Excellent presentation and pacing. I've been playing Commander since 2013 and I learned new things. Thank you!
Hey mate, great job on the video. I'm sharing it around (and commenting) in the hope you get the algo traction you deserve.
Thank you for the video Baumi, I'd love to watch more like this one
Really appreciate the bit about preserving modern history, great video!
I love this masterpiece you assembled. It's awesome to learn from the past
İ played about 3 rounds of magic in total and somehow i understood almost everything mentioned good job baumi
I didn't know you had this channel! Love it!
Always full effort from any given topic, great video Baumi
Another banger from baumi great upload
Dig the deep dive, and I love the weird, wonderful world of Commander. Glad to have you, and glad to see someone who deeply cares about the history that is so fleeting in this digital age.
Best of luck with Kokusho!
This is too much quality for a relatively small chanell, this NEEDS to blow up!
Great video, I myself am somewhat of a new player having started in 2017, but if you have only 1 year of experience in Commander it may be hard to grasp the level of power creep the game has been through, I can clearly see Kokusho being a solid strong commander in a world that predates "FIRE design"
Had the pleasure of playing with Sheldon about 5 years ago. He definitely didn’t shy away from playing strong decks
Great video Baumi, you earned yourself another subscriber!!
I always thought that EDH had the same rules as commander but with 5 dragons as generals. However there was much more to those early version of the format that I didn't know. Great video!
13:01 probably yes but also if those were the center pages magazines would either put posters or full spread ads there because there wouldn't be a crease in the way to mess up the artwork. Just look up other magazines from the time like videogame or cartoon magazines. You were usually encouraged to unstaple the middle section once you were bored with the magazine and keep the posters on your bedroom walls, centerfolds weren't limited to just gentleman magazines 😁
Great vid Baumi. BTW I was almost killed by a lightpaws dealing massive commander damage (that they forced me to track) at a cEDH tournament this weekend, he ended up forcing the table into a draw to prevent kingmaking and getting everyone a point. Just thought you might get a kick out of the frustrations of commander damage in tournament settings haha
Great video! Fun to see how stuff that's considered against the "spirit of the format" today like tutors and MLD was commonplace
The casual change to cumbia music was fucking amazing I salute you my friend.
Well done vid brother like your cadence !
in this youtube environment of most videos sounding like they are made by an AI or sourced from one uncredited article, it's so nice too see such a well researched and thorough video.
I started playing EDH back in 2011, and man do I miss it. I miss the weird games, the oddball generals you'd normally never see playing competitive constructed, and being able to play your dollar rares/mythics or cards with walls of text. There was a sense of personalization that's missing now. You would really put your style and personality into a deck before you started tuning it.
Depends on the friends group; if you are playing casual magic you can agree on certain terms. We did "everybody is allowed to buy a commander for 3 bucks and then throws together his bulk or other stuff that isn't used in a real deck". Very fun and you get decks that nobody would play anymore; often with mechanics that just can't compete normally. Sure, it's way slower and pretty janky but you wouldn't play those cards even again otherwise.
My girlfriend built a kokusho deck. it's a solid strategy, but it does so much drain it becomes really difficult to catch up with it after it dies even once, let alone it being looped multiple times. She stopped playing it because it essentially won the game after kokusho died once and she was able to very consistently do it again very quickly, which ends games very quickly. I can understand why it was banned at one point, but there's definitely been a lot of power creep since then that makes the strategy less crazy in the current state of play. Definitely still a very powerful piece that doesn't mesh well with more casual tables.
great video. been playing since 2011 and you brought light to some things i didn't know. One thing i felt that should be added is more sheldon. he has a video which he goes over the history which would have some great soundbites. also maybe go over some of his decks, in particular his "you did this to yourself" list. thanx will share
43:53 They kinda did one other community wide deck building challenge pretty recently. For pride month this year, they made an event in which players were allowed to treat all commanders as though they had the Partner keyword. It wasn’t a change to the ban list and only existed as an event people could attend, but it did add a new spin on the commander format
Glad you posted this to Reddit. Really great stuff and a subject I can't believe hasn't been deeply covered before.
Man I put your video in the background while doing something and was like "His voice sounds like the dota channel I watch", what a surprise it was to see your face when I put the video back on screen !
Hope this channel becomes as successful as your other one
Great research. Amazing video. Thanks a lot for it.
in my opinion, the best Video you released on this channel
i think Kokusho's attention stems from the fact that in the era, it was a relatively modern card so proccing her trigger was the most accessible way to turn edh into archenemy with the 20 point life swing against each opponent in a four player game. and it's so easy to build a deck around reanimation that it wasn't the first Koku trigger that ended the game, it was the second one.
This is amazing! Great breakdown
Dammit Philipp.... U made me find the MTG cards i used to play when i was 14..... And im 33... Thanks I guess? 🤣🤣🤣 Great video! Keep it up!
That situation when you run into a guy playing magic who has been playing for 10 years and is also younger than the time you've played magic for? Making those of us in our 30's feel ancient?
@@monogreen Not just ancient... I feel like relic taht belongs to museum! xD
Really appreciate this video. Thank you.
glad to see this finally out!
I stated paying edh in '09 during senior year of high school. And yes, the power level of the format used to be *much* lower and kokusho was a huge pain. If you're curious about it you could try making a predh deck (only cards from before commander 2011)
I would never have thought you play Magic too.. Nice!
Going on the hour long+ sleep playlist. Thanks!!!!
Kind of funny, as someone who has been playing for 14 years the old RC flat out denied it ever existed
This was genuinely entertaining.
This was a super enjoyable watch. It feels the opposite of watching the Stories of Dota Video. I've never completed a game of Dota 2, and I've only been watching coverage of that game since around the Introduction of Primal Beast (my fav hero to watch btw), where as in magic I've been playing the game since 2001/2002ish without a break and at some point during that journey I opened a singles store which is now one of the big 3 in New Zealand.
So yeah, it's interesting to walk down this memory lane from a perspective of someone who wasn't there. A couple of notes, a lot of my groan moments with Kokusho came from Rite of Replication, a card you couldn't play in Kokusho, but basically every blue deck was running it at the time and a kicked Rite of Replication targeting Kokusho often killed the table on the spot.
The Un-Sets being legal in 2017 (wow, was it really that long ago, it doesn't feel like it) was a bit of a disaster. Un-cards should really be a playgroup by playgroup issue. Some people find un-cards a lot of fun, while others have had less than ideal experiences with them. Unhinged was played a lot in our local precursor to Commander, a format called Highlander. 5 Colours singleton, 20 life and the ones people decided to play with most just made games more miserable. Some examples for you.
Name Dropping. Good card, makes the entire table stop speaking, which is pretty counter to the social aspect of the game.
Cheatyface. This was particularly obnoxious before the clarification that it was only once per turn and only from your hand. It is a card that would basically always be in play and got old REAL FAST.
Chaos Confetti. ripping this card up and throwing it over a players board was fun in theory, in practice it knocked one player completely out of the game leading to miserable experiences.
Blacker Lotus. There's a lot of jank you can do in magic. One person in our playgroup built a deck where they would steal your card, turn it into a Blacker Lotus and ask if you would like to concede before I rip up your card. One of the bigger (physically) players in our group responded with "Rip it up and I'll punch you in the face." Not a pleasant situation.
Entirely Normal Armchair. I nipped this one in the bud pretty quickly after experiencing cheatyface. The Entirely Normal Armchair playmat is pretty funny though.
R&D's Secret Lair. Ever had anyone decide it would be a fun idea to see how broken this card actually is?
Staying Power. Ever had anyone hit you with a Xantid Swarm and then cast this? I have.
In Summary, Un-cards can be fun if your playgroup shares the same idea of fun, but is basically awful for "pub games".
1:10 love that it was called highlander, because THERE CAN ONLY BE ONE
You got yourself another sub here 💪
50:30 This made me go check your previous video on the topic, and although it never bothered me personally, I must admit those were some very valid concerns. I didn't enjoy any of your suggestions, but you've got me inspired and brainstorming. I might start testing those ideas around, should be fun. Thank you!
Stories of commander, lets go!
Takeaway: time to build Kokusho.
Like Kokusho, there are many cards on the banned list that seem like pet peeves. As if they somehow caused personal pain to one of the RC.
Holy the video is out. HYPE
Finally, real history that really matters.
Without question, Commander is the best tcg format ever created, and I say that as someone who played a lot of competitive Standard. Both casual and competitive, it’s just all around a more fun game.
Great work🎉
Nice topic! Edh history is largely vague and a bit hard to dig into so kudos to compiling it here.
Ps. I can't believe the banned as commander list was 4 cards when it got zapped. I thought it was ten! Maybe I was thinking of French duel commander, hard to say.
Never did I imagine hearing cumbia music in a MTG video.
Loved this ❤
Your closing statement is so Blue
I knew I recognized that voice from the DotA days :)
""jyhad: notes from playtesting" -- i want to know more about this
Well done
great video
Great video!
What ever happened to the orignial Eternal Dragon Highlander website?
22:55 aw that rule SOUNDS really cool😢
The ending lmao
What a fun video! The cumbia music at the beginning is topnotch. Which song is it?
greatest mtg vids on the plane
Looks good!
i think i've cooked up a way to abolish commander damage without skewing the powerbalance to lifegain decks.
what if commander damage was gone but life totals were capped at 50. you can gain life up to that point but trying to go to 51 or 100 or arbitrarily large life gets you to 50.
My brain automatically added Legion infront, ahaha.
Let this video explode.
Hey man, great video. Just so you know, when you see the name Jesus written on a Spanish name, it's pronounce "hay-soos" not Jesus
I just realized ur stories of dota 😭😭 I was like WHY is this voice similar
Good video
Never knew that Sheldon was such a toxic player, no wonder that >half of the players are like that
At about @33:00, I'd disagree. Warhammer tournaments have a few categories of "victory." There is the obvious "beat all opponents," but it is a hobby space too, so best painted army is a category, and there is also a good sportsmanship award too. As stinky (physically and personality wise) MTG players can be, the Warhammer community is probs worse, yet there is a good sportsmanship award.
47:16 Magic players will wonder whether this is normal dota.... 😅
YOURE THE DOTA GUY
2nd frick
After watching: What a great video and with a very somber tone at the end as well, thank you.
Baumi what are you doing in magic 😭
Casually and uncaringlly busting out two copies of Brigitte
nice!
“Charizard”
Hey Algo. Give us some rhythm!!
Justice for Kokusho!!
So when the Fire Nation (WotC) intervened to EDH, it started the formats downfall. IMO, the old original EDH is more unique and complex compared to today's commander set up where everything is just available and allowed. More freedom of card selection means more unbalanced gameplays with too much OP cards and with cards specifically printed for multiplayer gameplay. Having the format divided with the "Casuals" and the "Competitives" means the banlist is outdated. I remember when the format is just for a casual game in my spare time and in a nonbusy weekend, but now the format has now overwhelmed every format with the pressure for you to play competitively so you won't be left behind from your playgroup. Gone are the days when I can just get away from a competitive mtg games, but now every game is just a stream of spiked out decks with auto-includes. EDH has lost it's granduer imo.
I think commander damage should accumulate from all commanders. This gives the table the option to pool together against one player in the lead and encourage the interactions that we love to talk about years later.
the worst idea ever
I celebrated banned as commanders removal because it wasn't useful then. I want banned as commander now because it would be useful now. We now have dozens of problematic commanders and even some new commander bans that have no problem in the 99. Banned as commander was bad when it was here because problematic commanders weren't common. Now that they are it should be brought back. Tho wotc wouldn't do that.
Nice
Have an updoot and a comment.
32:00 Sorry, but I do not want bonus stars in my Commander game.
Baumi! I didn't take you for an mtg player.
When I started in 95 we just called bigger, non-competitive decks "Fun" decks lol
Wait, 99.9% sure that Griselbrand was on the Banned as a Commander list. Cuz I used to have him in my Shadowborn Apostle deck n would search him up every single time as my 1st demon n he was basically my pseudo commander. Weird, looking up the history of the ban list n ya, it was just banned n never banned as a commander... wut other universe did I come from where that was a thing?? I guess I found another Mandela effect 😹. But while I was there I did see that other cards were on the banned as a commander list but they didn't stay on it for long, whereas Rofellos got unbanned n then rebanned 😹 so that list was kinda treated the same way as the digital temporary bannings on Arena. But ya, it was an extra rule that only effected a handful of cards so y bother making things extra complicated
13 min into the video and I realized it's baumi, wtf dota baumi from 10 years ago is now on mtg yt?
Poggers