I've done exactly the same with my gt10. Actualy in the gt10 as well you have the same interface of moving the different effects (including the S/R ) around the chain. I thought about it myself but now seeing this video I realize I've done the right thing. Very nice of you to demonsrate such ideas Thanks.
But he doesn't explain how to control the last submitted fx in that gain sound. So, how to individually control this reverb, delay and chorus (after the fx-loop) like 3 separate stompboxes? Can you tell me?
Dear Mr Andertons, The four cable method has been used for ages way before the TC Electronic G system came out. The first multi effects units were the Lexicon MP1 and the Boss GX700.
They absolutely do. I have owned a GT-6 and a GT-8. And helped set up my friend's GT-10. You are able to change the order of every effect, including the loop, in all 3.
@ZanesSuccessor. Hi, it sounds a lot less digital than other amp modelling units i've played through and the tone is pretty flexible too so you can dial in a sound that you find pleasing!
I love the Blackstar HT 5 so much, I'm still looking up videos involving it on YT. After watching this video I went and hooked my HT5R into my 2x12 (loaded with a vintage 30 and a greenback) and it's so awesome! I use my hd500x in the 4CM and am in love all over again.
The 4-cable method was also available on the GT-8. It does not have nearly as nice an interface for modifying the effects chain, but it does work nicely in front of a Blackstar.
I did this 15 yrs ago with my Rocktron Intellifex. I built it myself (in stereo) with relays and built a dc supply into my floor mounted switching system all DC 3.5V with DPDT switches and leds to let me know the on/off situation. I even mounted relays over the rev and channel change in the amp. Once the signal was in the amp it stayed there . No Patch leads running down to volume pedals or chains of pedals making all sorts of noise and signal loss.
Q: I'd like to combine the ME unit with a pedal (Fortin GRIND) - where is the optimal position for this pedal in the 4CM chain, as described in this video?
i almost advertise my gt-10 on ebay until i discover 4 cable method almost 2 yrs ago, im mostly using the ht-20 head's drive channel as part of the patch through amp control and add od(ts9) and other effects from gt-10, i liked the sound very much.
4 Cable method can be done as long as your multiFX unit has an FX loop. As well as your amp obviously. Basically makes the preamp section of your amp an effect in the multi-FX.
@TheSupernaut92...I got used to the sound of the GT10 which was different to the GT8, tonally speaking (and i really liked the GT8..i recorded a whole album with it!) the GT100 just feels more responsive than any other unit i've played through. there are some more GT vids on my channel to listen to but...go and play one and hear it for yourself, i'm sure you'll dig it!
I've had GT-3,5 and 8 and never really got on with 4CM partly as my Marshall effects loop is parallel. Tried using just the effects in the loop and not bother with the amp sims but came to the conclusion best way to use GT products are with a full range PA or powered cab. If you like your amp, stick with pedals.
bit late probably but your volume control can be moved the same as the fx loop - I think it shows up as FV on my GT8 in the fx chain. You just have to find out where it is in the chain and move it to the position you want. Either before your amp input or before the reverb and delay in the loop fx which will allow your delays etc to keep sounding if you back off your volume.
Yes - on the GT-10 - you can assign the order of effects & designate which ones are in front or in the effects loop. The interface just looks a little different.
Most Mesas have a MIDI in. You can change channels that way with the GT units. The amp switchers on the GT units are a bit hit or miss with some amps, although not a fault with the unit.
I use the 4CM with a POD HD so I don't know 100% for sure but there should be a way of moving the volume pedal to the front of the signal chain on the GT-10 in order to use it. The GT-10 is a great unit and has to have that kind of flexibility built in to it.
I think it's a matter of preference. I got the GT100 because it's REALLY easy to program and had a 'warmer' sound to me... like really nice, smooth, full sound. The HD500 seemed to model the amps well but were thin to my ears and was harder to program.
Worked fine on my GT-10 too. Also, I had a Vox AD-120 VT (awesome) which is Stereo, so able to have stereo effects (double awesome). Only issue I had was that I had to adjust the system setting tone/presence up a bit. Never used any gain from effects unit (amp was sufficient)., just a bit of compression boost and mostly used the digital effects from the GT-10 and analogue from the amp.
***** I never tried (my gigging days behind me and I used mesa boogie, Boss and ART in those days) but I am sure it would be fine. When you're gigging you want simple unless you have tech's behind you, so actually this might be a sweet setup. If it was me, I would mike up my AD-120 in stereo to the desk.
I have built all my patches using about 4 pre-amps simulations in the GT-100, connected to the FX return (power amp) of my Marshall. Now I would like to change to the 4CM system to be able to use the Marshall pre-amp as well. Do I have to exclude all the pre-amp simulations from my patches in the GT-100? And if I keep them, where is the send S/R (send/return) positioned in the chain, before or after the pre-amp simulations? Please let me know your comments. Thank you.
I've been using the 4 cable method with my GT6 and my HT Stage 100 for about 5 months now. The only downside is that I loose the overdrive/distortion FX's as you have to select the GT6 to external to enable the FX loop. Other than that, it works really well so I might change to the GT 100 when I've got some more cash.
Are the send/return on GT.100 buffered? (Some bad revievs on other similar gear, because they lose signal when running '4 cable method' wit 6m cables on stage setups).
If you are using a Tube Amp multi-effect, how do you set the Tube Amp knobs? And do you disable Tube Amp simulation if you are using this real Tube Amp?
@harro333 I don't believe the GT10 or GT8 had the same ability to assign which pedals worked in front and which worked in the loop. If they did work, it wasn't as simple/obvious as it is on the GT100!
I have doubts that maybe you can help me. At 4 cm chain if I want to connect a bk butlerTube Driver pedal, where do I connect the bk, between fx send (gt100) and amplifier in. Or beteween fx send (amplifier) and return fx (GT100). thanks
Cool video. But I question. Is there a notable difference between using 4CM or plug my guitar in the amps input if I use the clean channel ? It is more obvious for me in the OD channel, but not clear in the clear channel.
I have a GT5, Had it since the 90's. Could move loop point on that. Been a very overlooked feature for years. I still use it and enjoy it, however the s/n ratio is not too great. Does anyone have a comment about the noise floor on this unit?
Lee(The Captain) I like the enthusiasm you put into you videos, informative and enjoyable to watch. Will you do a Gibson acoustic vid. I want some j200, hummingbird and j185 etc comparisons ;)
As far as the channel switching goes, will this work with a Mesa Boogie amp? Mesa's have that weird multi pin type cable. Maybe Boss/Roland could make a cable that could work for that or are there company's out there that make a cable that could work with the GT100 and a Mesa?
Outstanding, Cap'tn, & Lee, While He obviously was still w/ya (pre-Dawsons) The 4 Cable Method is my Answer, & Able to use it w/Other than the GT-100. No other Videos Found that have the ""4 cable method"" laid out like your link to the Andertons page Has 4 us All.... Thnx Again, Remaining A Subscriber to the best Guitars+++ Channel on TH-cam, MarkthShark716.
You can do the 4 cable method on GT-6, you just use the ext distortion instead of a send/receive. Guys with 5150's were doing this 10 years ago with GT-6.
Okay, from what I gather, you are stuck only using your amp's preamp with the 4 cable method with the Boss. With the POD HD 500, you can turn off the loop and use the preamp models from the POD through the the tube amps power section without recoloring it, giving you more options and a nice tube amp feel to modeled preamps. Is this right? I'm just curious because I'm looking at both processors. I've looked at the Boss's manual and can't see how to turn off the loop to do the same.
Hello everyone! question about the type of "output select" we have to choose for this 4 cables method. Do you use "Stack Amp" or Stack Return"? I am not sure beacause Gt100 is connected to both of these inputs. Thanks for your answers.
I recently cycled through Line 6’s HX Stomp and PodGo before exchanging for a Marshall DSL40 (my firsts tube amp), and calling it a day. I want to play a real amp above all else, and retain that feel of raw power and sound while I play. The L6 products did NOT sound good through my FX loop, or any other way. Now that I’ve got a great tube amp that I love-I had also tried a Katana in my journey for tone-I am still wishing to add some tonal variety, possibly alternative amps, and definitely effects into the mix. I liked the Katana’s effects, so it seems logical I may like the GT1000, and their AIRD tech sounds promising as it claims to work intuitively even when plugged into a real traditional amplifier. Is this going to be a let down a la L6? I’m either going to buy a Katana Artist MKII, the big ass foot switch, and run it alongside my dry Marshall with an ABY pedal, or get the GT1000 to augment my Marshall. Which sounds like it’ll be better? I’ve also thought this option is better because I could do the wet dry thing, and have a second amp that is far more versatile with its true modeling approach to add into the overall sound with my Marshall. I’m looking to hit many birds with one stone. Down the line, yes, I’d rather have the real amps, and the real pedals, but for the short-long-term I’ve got the means to either grab a Katana, which I did like, or a GT1000. I love delay, modulation like flanger/phaser, and want looping ability. Both appear to have these. Please help me! 😁 For the record I have mics like SM57 etc, and I do like to record, but as I’ve said the recording bit is secondary to in-the-room tone. I am a millennial, but I favor the traditional amplifier sound and feel. I can’t do headphones unless I’m strictly recording. I’m not inspired much while jamming through a studio headset. I don’t have any flat response speakers. Many many thanks if you actually read this, and thoughtfully considered my dilemma. Thank you.
How do you know that the first sound on the first patch is your amps distortion? I set mine up in the 4cm, and my first patch is some pre made patch on the pedal.....how do you get to your amps distortion?
There is no point asking anyone else because it pretty much all personal, ask yourself: which one has better control options for me? which one do I think is more diverse? which one sounds better? if the answers are all Helix LT then ask yourself, is it 500 dollars better?
I own a GT-10 and you can actually move and see the S/R in the chain. Anyway, the only problem with this 4 cable thing is that I cannot use my pedal as a volume pedal anymore. Any suggestion? Thanks
you have to go into the FX chain set your your pedals which order you want them and then set the loop where you want it ....ie -cs-wha-OD-lp-FX2 dd-ce-REV-..... but Iv,f found that you,ve got to turn the pre amps off cause it makes everything just sound fizzy.... just use the gains on the amp
Seems to work beautifully in a small, enclosed setting such as is shown here. Thing is: for a true stage situation, does it really present no problems to have, say, 20, 40, 50 feet of cable (plus the unit itself) between your pre-amp and power section?
+Leathan Lund "20, 40, 50 feet of cable". This is why I bought 3, 30' cables!!! (Wrapped them together NICELY with that spiral plastic wrap from Home Depot) Pricy cables!!! ($145 USD) I am learning how all this works. The other guitarist in my band is a FREAK about sound. His system works very well in a live setting! From bars to theatre type venues. (hope we get to try it in an arena one day! : / ) But, to answer your question , I am super picky about sound as the other guitarist is, this sounds incredible. Example of our gear to maybe compare if you are interested, MY GEAR: Marshall TSL 100 JCM 2000 w/ foot switch head / Line 6 POD HD 500X Line 6 4x12 stereo cab. His gear: Mesa Boogie trip rec, many individual foot controllers, 2- 2x12 Mesa Boogie cabs. If you are playing more than 40' from your gear, I can't really tell you how the latency plays out!! Scoot back!! HA!
Question for anyone in the know!! What would the proper(if there is one) 'output setting' on the GT100 if your running pedal through... 1: the main input of an Orange CR120 combo? 2:just the return of CR120? 3: four cable method CR120.? All of these are for a live situation! Many thanks you lovely people. 👍
He is giving title of this video is four cables method and just using parameters only...parameters might be different preferences for different people right? ..just if he could explain how electric circuit is prepared in Amp and multi effect box to correspond the fx send and return concept with each other...
many thanks for your reply! :) do i need mono or stereo jack beetwen BOSS and PEAVEY VK ? (can i turn on/off BOOST in my peavey too?) . thanks, ciao :)
Hi, trying to weigh up the best option for live playing; This or changing my ME70 to an ME80. The amp control looks great but will it work with my Blackstar HT100 head (3 channel)? There are two options to control channels; multi pin or 1/4 Jack.... But it is a 3 channel amp. If not I will probably go to an ME80.
What kind of 1/4" cable do you need for the AMP CTL jack for changing amp channels? TRS, or regular instrument cable? Will it work on a Marshall DSL20?
No...You can do it both ways and if you want the preamps from the Boss you just move the Pre in the fx chain to after it's fx loop and before your loop effects. This way, when you switch to a patch with loop off. Line 6 has only just caught with this I gather. You could do this on a GT8 but you might need ground lift cables in the loop connections like a G system.
hello lads ...enjoyed your demo of the new gt100...and the one with the comparison of the gt10 and the gt100 sounds..... you said at the end of this video that you can only use the 4 cable method with the gt10 and 100 ...this isn,t true.... I been useing the 4 cable method with my gt8 going into my DSL 100 ... and a 5 cable method (Right out) to run it to another amp for stereo (run clean) for about 3 years until I got a gt 10 a few months ago..........
I must be doing something wrong because all of a sudden when I have it hooked up to my amp via 4 cable method my clean channel gets distorted. I'm using a Fender Twin Amp
HI Lee could you tell me is the channel your using to demo the 4 cable method a clean or dirty channel also does the 4 c,method work on 3 channel valve amps Thankyou
Hey mate, not Lee but anyway at 1:49 he says he is using the drive channel of the ht5 with no effects, as for how the 4 cable method works it is actually quite simple (the 4 cables are, 1. Guitar to GT100, 2. GT100 to Amp, 3 .Amps effects loop send to GT100 and finally 4. GT100 to amp effects loop return) for example, like you say in one of your other comments your Koch has a great drive channel, you would likely not want to put reverb modulation delay before that (some people do though) because it distorts the effect and you get a "cleaner" sound putting it into the effects loop, so the GT100 essentially allows you to split it in two with your compressor, drive and fuzz etc being able to be sent to the front of your amp in the same way you would usually plug it in and the modulation, delay and reverbs etc going into the effects loop so that the distorted signal goes into them as opposed to them going into a distorted amp, from what I gather from the video moving the effects before (to the left of) the S/R (stands for send and return) means that it will go into the front end and moving the pedal in front (to the right of) of the S/R will put it in the effects loop, my typical setup would be Pitch-Wah-Compressor-Fuzz-Overdrive-Distortion into the front of the amp and Modulation-Delay-Reverb into the effects loop. For your last question it does not matter how many channels your amps has (as long as they share the same effects loop I,E some Mesa Boogie's have two effects loops) you simply chose which channel you want to play through and order the effects accordingly, Hope this helps :).
This 4 cable method was comum in the GT8, i used this way, but the Digitech RP1000 is better, because have two loops, one for the exclusive for the preamp of the amp and another for the pedals.
ANDERTONS MUSIC CO!!! FANTASTIC VID. I am new to the 4CM. I am having problems. MY GEAR: Marshall TSL 100 JCM 2000 w/ foot switch head / Line 6 POD HD 500X QUESTION:I do not understand how the FX work AFTER the amp. If I set my FX Loop at the end of the chain, that simply means I get all FX in front of the amp. Correct? Now if I move the FX loop to the middle of the chain and place more FX behind the FX loop I can not use / activate them. Why? I know I must be doing SOMETHING wrong. I am very new to this 4CM and need help. All my connections are correct and I have working gear. Any help from ANY ONE is GREATLY appreciated!!!
BECAUSE EFFECTS GO INTO THE FRONT OF THE AMP OR IN THE EFFECTS LOOP IF THEY ARE TIME BASED EFFECTS LIKE DELAY AND REVERB, NOT AFTER THE LOOP, AFTER THE LOOP MEANS THEY ARENT EVEN GOING INTO THE AMP AT ALL, WHAT YOUR DOING IS BASICALLY TAKING A PEDAL AND 1 PATCH CABLE AND PLUGGING 1 END OF THE PATCH CABLE INTO THE INPUT AND THE OTHER END OF THE SAME CABLE INTO THE OUTPUT, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE POD FOR JUST EFFECTS ( WHICH I HOPE IS THE CASE IF YOU HAVE A JCM 2000, I HOPE YOUR NOT ONE OF THESE MORONS USING A GREAT AMP JUST AS A CLEAN TONE FOR GARBAGE AMP MODELS) THEN DONT HAVE ANY AMPS SELECTED ON THE POD AND JUST USE EFFECTS AND CONNECT THE POD INTO THE EFFECTS LOOP OF YOUR AMP SO IT DOES NOT GET ALTERED BY THE PRE AMP VALVES (WHERE THE TONE OF THE AMP COMES FROM) I WOULD SUGGEST WATCHING A VIDEO ABOUT THE POD BEFORE YOU TRY ANYTHING, IM PRETTY SURE ROB AND ANDERTONS HAVE VIDEOS ABOUT THE PODS
Did you ever get a reply on answer for your question? I've been having an issue figuring out the same thing. I can't get the "amp ctl" feature to work by using the 1/4in. output.
Med yassine Mankai Hey Med. After messing with the settings, I finally figured out how to get the AMP/CTL feature work. I'm running the pedal through a Blackstar HT Studio 20 (two channel) The way I got the GT-100 to switch between my amps channels was: - Press the "system" button (it's right next to the volume pedal) - On the left screen, turn Knob 4, clockwise, to go to Preferences, it will be labeled "PREF" - Once you're in that setting, look at the right screen of the unit - Turn Knob 7, clockwise, to change the ACCEL/CTL to "System" - Next, exit out of the "system" settings and click the "CTL/EXP" button (its also next to the volume pedal, right underneath the "system" button - The first icon on the left screen will be the "ACCEL/CTL" feature - Look at the right screen - Turn Knob 5, clockwise, and set "Func" to 'AMP/CTL" - Turn Knob 6, counter-clockwise to make sure "MIN" is set to "OFF" - Turn Knob 7 clockwise to make sure "MAX" is set to "ON" - Turn Knob 8 clockwise to make sure "Source Mode" is set to "TOGGLE" Those are the steps I used to get it to work. Once you get into the User Patch, you should be able to use the ACCEL/CTL pedal to switch the channels on your amp. I hope this helps. Let me know.
What's up Aeron! Well, it works for me also, i'm using a Marshall valvestate 60 Watts and after missing with the unit i finaly can change the channels, thanks a lot.
I just bought my GT100 and im using it with the 4 cable method with my Legacy 3 head. The problem is, only my main tube amp is working..The other 3 channels/preamp on my Legacy are disabeled...I though i can use my tube preamp with the boss gt100.
Do not use the speaker simulation into a guitar amp with speaker. You can use the preamp simulations, but then you lock the send/return to your amps preamp, in order to send the signal direct to your amps power amp.
Watch this, it helped me . I have the me 80 as well. I play rock and roll live and ive been searching for a year on how to use it in its full potential.this video helped. th-cam.com/video/U2NxBrKU9co/w-d-xo.html
One trick is to plug your headphones ( not to listen, just plug it in and leave there) in the AUX port. It will instantly activate the me80s secret power
Clear, concise easy to understand explanation of the 4 cable method. In true Anderton's style.
I've done exactly the same with my gt10.
Actualy in the gt10 as well you have the same interface of moving the different effects (including the S/R ) around the chain.
I thought about it myself but now seeing this video I realize I've done the right thing.
Very nice of you to demonsrate such ideas
Thanks.
But he doesn't explain how to control the last submitted fx in that gain sound. So, how to individually control this reverb, delay and chorus (after the fx-loop) like 3 separate stompboxes? Can you tell me?
Pressing the displsy botton 5 times moves you to manual mode.
Aner waitzman What is the display button? You get manual mode by pressing bank down and up simultaneously..right?
Dear Mr Andertons,
The four cable method has been used for ages way before the TC Electronic G system came out. The first multi effects units were the Lexicon MP1 and the Boss GX700.
They absolutely do. I have owned a GT-6 and a GT-8. And helped set up my friend's GT-10. You are able to change the order of every effect, including the loop, in all 3.
Chords are good too.. particularly for demos.
Great guitarist. I loved the clean parts he played.
Hi, thanks! I just improvised them, they were basically open versions of Emin, Dsus4 and CMaj and then finally GMaj. Nothing tricky really! :))
@ZanesSuccessor. Hi, it sounds a lot less digital than other amp modelling units i've played through and the tone is pretty flexible too so you can dial in a sound that you find pleasing!
I love the Blackstar HT 5 so much, I'm still looking up videos involving it on YT. After watching this video I went and hooked my HT5R into my 2x12 (loaded with a vintage 30 and a greenback) and it's so awesome! I use my hd500x in the 4CM and am in love all over again.
The 4-cable method was also available on the GT-8. It does not have nearly as nice an interface for modifying the effects chain, but it does work nicely in front of a Blackstar.
Best explanation of the 4 cable method. Love these pedals. Going to get one to use with my tube amp in the effects loop the same way you guys did.
In my touring days, I had a Marshall dsl200 stack, a boss gt3 and a treble booster set up with the 4 cable system. The sound would move mountains.
When ever you get demo's like this the guitarist always has a massively
I did this 15 yrs ago with my Rocktron Intellifex. I built it myself (in stereo) with relays and built a dc supply into my floor mounted switching system all DC 3.5V with DPDT switches and leds to let me know the on/off situation. I even mounted relays over the rev and channel change in the amp. Once the signal was in the amp it stayed there . No Patch leads running down to volume pedals or chains of pedals making all sorts of noise and signal loss.
Q: I'd like to combine the ME unit with a pedal (Fortin GRIND) - where is the optimal position for this pedal in the 4CM chain, as described in this video?
i almost advertise my gt-10 on ebay until i discover 4 cable method almost 2 yrs ago, im mostly using the ht-20 head's drive channel as part of the patch through amp control and add od(ts9) and other effects from gt-10, i liked the sound very much.
Loving it. Been planning a visit to your store for ages!
4 Cable method can be done as long as your multiFX unit has an FX loop. As well as your amp obviously. Basically makes the preamp section of your amp an effect in the multi-FX.
@TheSupernaut92...I got used to the sound of the GT10 which was different to the GT8, tonally speaking (and i really liked the GT8..i recorded a whole album with it!) the GT100 just feels more responsive than any other unit i've played through. there are some more GT vids on my channel to listen to but...go and play one and hear it for yourself, i'm sure you'll dig it!
I've had GT-3,5 and 8 and never really got on with 4CM partly as my Marshall effects loop is parallel. Tried using just the effects in the loop and not bother with the amp sims but came to the conclusion best way to use GT products are with a full range PA or powered cab. If you like your amp, stick with pedals.
bit late probably but your volume control can be moved the same as the fx loop - I think it shows up as FV on my GT8 in the fx chain. You just have to find out where it is in the chain and move it to the position you want. Either before your amp input or before the reverb and delay in the loop fx which will allow your delays etc to keep sounding if you back off your volume.
Correction on that majestybanduk not majestybankuk just incase you thought the link didn't work!
Yes - on the GT-10 - you can assign the order of effects & designate which ones are in front or in the effects loop. The interface just looks a little different.
Most Mesas have a MIDI in. You can change channels that way with the GT units. The amp switchers on the GT units are a bit hit or miss with some amps, although not a fault with the unit.
Once again nicely done andertons team! You guys rock!!!
I use the 4CM with a POD HD so I don't know 100% for sure but there should be a way of moving the volume pedal to the front of the signal chain on the GT-10 in order to use it. The GT-10 is a great unit and has to have that kind of flexibility built in to it.
I think it's a matter of preference. I got the GT100 because it's REALLY easy to program and had a 'warmer' sound to me... like really nice, smooth, full sound. The HD500 seemed to model the amps well but were thin to my ears and was harder to program.
Hey Folks! If you have any questions about the GT100 i'm happy to try and answer them for you. Cheers Lee ...(the Lee with the beard! lol)
Worked fine on my GT-10 too. Also, I had a Vox AD-120 VT (awesome) which is Stereo, so able to have stereo effects (double awesome). Only issue I had was that I had to adjust the system setting tone/presence up a bit. Never used any gain from effects unit (amp was sufficient)., just a bit of compression boost and mostly used the digital effects from the GT-10 and analogue from the amp.
***** I never tried (my gigging days behind me and I used mesa boogie, Boss and ART in those days) but I am sure it would be fine. When you're gigging you want simple unless you have tech's behind you, so actually this might be a sweet setup. If it was me, I would mike up my AD-120 in stereo to the desk.
I heard that the Gt10 removes some of the saved tones ..apparently..though I don't believe ..but may I ask..is it true?
***** Haha thought so
I have built all my patches using about 4 pre-amps simulations in the GT-100, connected to the FX return (power amp) of my Marshall. Now I would like to change to the 4CM system to be able to use the Marshall pre-amp as well. Do I have to exclude all the pre-amp simulations from my patches in the GT-100? And if I keep them, where is the send S/R (send/return) positioned in the chain, before or after the pre-amp simulations? Please let me know your comments. Thank you.
I've been using the 4 cable method with my GT6 and my HT Stage 100 for about 5 months now. The only downside is that I loose the overdrive/distortion FX's as you have to select the GT6 to external to enable the FX loop. Other than that, it works really well so I might change to the GT 100 when I've got some more cash.
Are the send/return on GT.100 buffered? (Some bad revievs on other similar gear, because they lose signal when running '4 cable method' wit 6m cables on stage setups).
@adanbettencourt hi there! depends on the amp type..but i always try all the output types and use my ears to choose the best one :-)
If you are using a Tube Amp multi-effect, how do you set the Tube Amp knobs? And do you disable Tube Amp simulation if you are using this real Tube Amp?
@harro333 I don't believe the GT10 or GT8 had the same ability to assign which pedals worked in front and which worked in the loop. If they did work, it wasn't as simple/obvious as it is on the GT100!
I have doubts that maybe you can help me. At 4 cm chain if I want to connect a bk butlerTube Driver pedal, where do I connect the bk, between fx send (gt100) and amplifier in. Or beteween fx send (amplifier) and return fx (GT100).
thanks
Can be used with the GT-10 too. Moving the S/R position in the FX chain is possible via the interface ;)
Cool video. But I question. Is there a notable difference between using 4CM or plug my guitar in the amps input if I use the clean channel ? It is more obvious for me in the OD channel, but not clear in the clear channel.
I have a GT5, Had it since the 90's. Could move loop point on that. Been a very overlooked feature for years. I still use it and enjoy it, however the s/n ratio is not too great. Does anyone have a comment about the noise floor on this unit?
Great video. I am really impressed by what that unit can do. Just for the record the DIGITECH curent RP series 500 and 1000 do the 4 cable method.
Lee(The Captain) I like the enthusiasm you put into you videos, informative and enjoyable to watch. Will you do a Gibson acoustic vid. I want some j200, hummingbird and j185 etc comparisons ;)
As far as the channel switching goes, will this work with a Mesa Boogie amp? Mesa's have that weird multi pin type cable. Maybe Boss/Roland could make a cable that could work for that or are there company's out there that make a cable that could work with the GT100 and a Mesa?
what output-select gt100 your use for the 4 cable method?
if u want to use the gt100 as a series of stomp boxes in front of yr amp, don't u put it in2 manual mode?
Would it be possible to add a further stomp pedal downstream of the GT-100?
ie GT-100 FX loop return --> Pedal --> Amp FX return
Would this set up work with a fender blues deluxe?
Outstanding, Cap'tn, & Lee, While He obviously was still w/ya (pre-Dawsons) The 4 Cable Method is my Answer, & Able to use it w/Other than the GT-100. No other Videos Found that have the ""4 cable method"" laid out like your link to the Andertons page Has 4 us All.... Thnx Again, Remaining A Subscriber to the best Guitars+++ Channel on TH-cam,
MarkthShark716.
You can do the 4 cable method on GT-6, you just use the ext distortion instead of a send/receive. Guys with 5150's were doing this 10 years ago with GT-6.
Is it possible to switch the channels in my Peavey Valveking 100W Head using BossGT100?
Okay, from what I gather, you are stuck only using your amp's preamp with the 4 cable method with the Boss. With the POD HD 500, you can turn off the loop and use the preamp models from the POD through the the tube amps power section without recoloring it, giving you more options and a nice tube amp feel to modeled preamps. Is this right? I'm just curious because I'm looking at both processors. I've looked at the Boss's manual and can't see how to turn off the loop to do the same.
Used to do something like this with a GT-3. Didn't have the send or return though. Sounds good
Hello everyone! question about the type of "output select" we have to choose for this 4 cables method. Do you use "Stack Amp" or Stack Return"? I am not sure beacause Gt100 is connected to both of these inputs. Thanks for your answers.
I recently cycled through Line 6’s HX Stomp and PodGo before exchanging for a Marshall DSL40 (my firsts tube amp), and calling it a day. I want to play a real amp above all else, and retain that feel of raw power and sound while I play. The L6 products did NOT sound good through my FX loop, or any other way.
Now that I’ve got a great tube amp that I love-I had also tried a Katana in my journey for tone-I am still wishing to add some tonal variety, possibly alternative amps, and definitely effects into the mix. I liked the Katana’s effects, so it seems logical I may like the GT1000, and their AIRD tech sounds promising as it claims to work intuitively even when plugged into a real traditional amplifier. Is this going to be a let down a la L6?
I’m either going to buy a Katana Artist MKII, the big ass foot switch, and run it alongside my dry Marshall with an ABY pedal, or get the GT1000 to augment my Marshall.
Which sounds like it’ll be better? I’ve also thought this option is better because I could do the wet dry thing, and have a second amp that is far more versatile with its true modeling approach to add into the overall sound with my Marshall.
I’m looking to hit many birds with one stone. Down the line, yes, I’d rather have the real amps, and the real pedals, but for the short-long-term I’ve got the means to either grab a Katana, which I did like, or a GT1000. I love delay, modulation like flanger/phaser, and want looping ability. Both appear to have these. Please help me! 😁
For the record I have mics like SM57 etc, and I do like to record, but as I’ve said the recording bit is secondary to in-the-room tone. I am a millennial, but I favor the traditional amplifier sound and feel. I can’t do headphones unless I’m strictly recording. I’m not inspired much while jamming through a studio headset. I don’t have any flat response speakers.
Many many thanks if you actually read this, and thoughtfully considered my dilemma. Thank you.
Boss gt-100 is amazing and defo worth it. It gets great sounds like the Helix etc
How do you know that the first sound on the first patch is your amps distortion? I set mine up in the 4cm, and my first patch is some pre made patch on the pedal.....how do you get to your amps distortion?
Turn the preamp off In the GT chain.
I got a padded case through the old GT-central forum and was wondering if the 100 is wider than the GT-8.
Hey anybody know where to get the Amplifier cables, like what store.
Because my other one tore and it doesn't work. Plz reply ASAP!
hi i cannot find the 4 Cable Method on the site , please help ! i would like to know how link the gt-100 and my amp .
thanks
Can you use the amp control out put to change channels/patches on the blckstar id series?
I'm trying to decide between the Boss GT 100 and the Helix LT. Is it worth to spend the extra 500 dollars on the Helix LT?
There is no point asking anyone else because it pretty much all personal, ask yourself: which one has better control options for me? which one do I think is more diverse? which one sounds better? if the answers are all Helix LT then ask yourself, is it 500 dollars better?
The gt 8 also supports the 4 cable method, including adjusting the effects chain :) boss have done this for a long long time..
Correct! GT5s and 6s too
I own a GT-10 and you can actually move and see the S/R in the chain. Anyway, the only problem with this 4 cable thing is that I cannot use my pedal as a volume pedal anymore. Any suggestion?
Thanks
You could do with the GT5, 8, 10 and so on.
the four cable method was also available on the GT-5. not sure about the GT6 or 8 but definitely the 5.
you have to go into the FX chain set your your pedals which order you want them and then set the loop where you want it ....ie -cs-wha-OD-lp-FX2 dd-ce-REV-..... but Iv,f found that you,ve got to turn the pre amps off cause it makes everything just sound fizzy.... just use the gains on the amp
yes they did and it was very simple. your demos are great but your really killin me lolz
very tasty playing at 6:17, what chords were they?
Seems to work beautifully in a small, enclosed setting such as is shown here. Thing is: for a true stage situation, does it really present no problems to have, say, 20, 40, 50 feet of cable (plus the unit itself) between your pre-amp and power section?
+Leathan Lund "20, 40, 50 feet of cable". This is why I bought 3, 30' cables!!! (Wrapped them together NICELY with that spiral plastic wrap from Home Depot) Pricy cables!!! ($145 USD) I am learning how all this works. The other guitarist in my band is a FREAK about sound. His system works very well in a live setting! From bars to theatre type venues. (hope we get to try it in an arena one day! : / ) But, to answer your question , I am super picky about sound as the other guitarist is, this sounds incredible. Example of our gear to maybe compare if you are interested, MY GEAR: Marshall TSL 100 JCM 2000 w/ foot switch head / Line 6 POD HD 500X Line 6 4x12 stereo cab. His gear: Mesa Boogie trip rec, many individual foot controllers, 2- 2x12 Mesa Boogie cabs. If you are playing more than 40' from your gear, I can't really tell you how the latency plays out!! Scoot back!! HA!
+Leathan Lund I run 30 feet with a GT-8 and I have no problems.
Question for anyone in the know!!
What would the proper(if there is one) 'output setting' on the GT100 if your running pedal through...
1: the main input of an Orange CR120 combo?
2:just the return of CR120?
3: four cable method CR120.?
All of these are for a live situation!
Many thanks you lovely people.
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Will this also work in the same manner with the older GP 100 ? Thanks.
I tried the 4 cable method just like you said but it killed the punch, gain and the tone a bit. Do you have any solution?
He is giving title of this video is four cables method and just using parameters only...parameters might be different preferences for different people right? ..just if he could explain how electric circuit is prepared in Amp and multi effect box to correspond the fx send and return concept with each other...
Is the fx loop switchable to bypass the amps preamp?
would this work with an earlier BOSS "GT" multi fx?
many thanks for your reply! :) do i need mono or stereo jack beetwen BOSS and PEAVEY VK ? (can i turn on/off BOOST in my peavey too?) . thanks, ciao :)
Hi, trying to weigh up the best option for live playing; This or changing my ME70 to an ME80.
The amp control looks great but will it work with my Blackstar HT100 head (3 channel)?
There are two options to control channels; multi pin or 1/4 Jack.... But it is a 3 channel amp.
If not I will probably go to an ME80.
TheNorthernChris IF the HT100 Head has a midi connection... i believe you can use this to control the channels on your amp.
What kind of 1/4" cable do you need for the AMP CTL jack for changing amp channels? TRS, or regular instrument cable? Will it work on a Marshall DSL20?
You need a stereo jack (TRS) on both ends, and any mic cable will do the job.
No...You can do it both ways and if you want the preamps from the Boss you just move the Pre in the fx chain to after it's fx loop and before your loop effects. This way, when you switch to a patch with loop off. Line 6 has only just caught with this I gather.
You could do this on a GT8 but you might need ground lift cables in the loop connections like a G system.
awesome job lee
Can you do a setup with 2 tube amps for stereo FX
can 4 cable method be used with two amps to create a stereo sound?
Does this work the same for a peavey 6534+?
hello lads ...enjoyed your demo of the new gt100...and the one with the comparison of the gt10 and the gt100 sounds..... you said at the end of this video that you can only use the 4 cable method with the gt10 and 100 ...this isn,t true.... I been useing the 4 cable method with my gt8 going into my DSL 100 ... and a 5 cable method (Right out) to run it to another amp for stereo (run clean) for about 3 years until I got a gt 10 a few months ago..........
I must be doing something wrong because all of a sudden when I have it hooked up to my amp via 4 cable method my clean channel gets distorted. I'm using a Fender Twin Amp
Matt Nardone One of your distortion effects or an amp simulation is on, in the processor.
Matt Nardone Set the send receive output levels...
HI Lee
could you tell me is the channel your using to demo the 4 cable method a clean or dirty channel
also does the 4 c,method work on 3 channel valve amps
Thankyou
Hey mate, not Lee but anyway at 1:49 he says he is using the drive channel of the ht5 with no effects, as for how the 4 cable method works it is actually quite simple (the 4 cables are, 1. Guitar to GT100, 2. GT100 to Amp, 3 .Amps effects loop send to GT100 and finally 4. GT100 to amp effects loop return) for example, like you say in one of your other comments your Koch has a great drive channel, you would likely not want to put reverb modulation delay before that (some people do though) because it distorts the effect and you get a "cleaner" sound putting it into the effects loop, so the GT100 essentially allows you to split it in two with your compressor, drive and fuzz etc being able to be sent to the front of your amp in the same way you would usually plug it in and the modulation, delay and reverbs etc going into the effects loop so that the distorted signal goes into them as opposed to them going into a distorted amp, from what I gather from the video moving the effects before (to the left of) the S/R (stands for send and return) means that it will go into the front end and moving the pedal in front (to the right of) of the S/R will put it in the effects loop, my typical setup would be Pitch-Wah-Compressor-Fuzz-Overdrive-Distortion into the front of the amp and Modulation-Delay-Reverb into the effects loop. For your last question it does not matter how many channels your amps has (as long as they share the same effects loop I,E some Mesa Boogie's have two effects loops) you simply chose which channel you want to play through and order the effects accordingly, Hope this helps :).
thanks so much
ill give it a bash
cheers mate
no worries mate :)
hi, will I be able to record through the GT100 with this setup? Thanks!
as i can only seem to get it on clean no dirt
and my koch studiotone has such great dirty channels
This 4 cable method was comum in the GT8, i used this way, but the Digitech RP1000 is better, because have two loops, one for the exclusive for the preamp of the amp and another for the pedals.
great.big help now to fixing up to Bose Li & tone match.
ANDERTONS MUSIC CO!!! FANTASTIC VID. I am new to the 4CM. I am having problems. MY GEAR: Marshall TSL 100 JCM 2000 w/ foot switch head / Line 6 POD HD 500X
QUESTION:I do not understand how the FX work AFTER the amp. If I set my FX Loop at the end of the chain, that simply means I get all FX in front of the amp. Correct? Now if I move the FX loop to the middle of the chain and place more FX behind the FX loop I can not use / activate them. Why? I know I must be doing SOMETHING wrong. I am very new to this 4CM and need help. All my connections are correct and I have working gear. Any help from ANY ONE is GREATLY appreciated!!!
BECAUSE EFFECTS GO INTO THE FRONT OF THE AMP OR IN THE EFFECTS LOOP IF THEY ARE TIME BASED EFFECTS LIKE DELAY AND REVERB, NOT AFTER THE LOOP, AFTER THE LOOP MEANS THEY ARENT EVEN GOING INTO THE AMP AT ALL, WHAT YOUR DOING IS BASICALLY TAKING A PEDAL AND 1 PATCH CABLE AND PLUGGING 1 END OF THE PATCH CABLE INTO THE INPUT AND THE OTHER END OF THE SAME CABLE INTO THE OUTPUT, IF YOU WANT TO USE THE POD FOR JUST EFFECTS ( WHICH I HOPE IS THE CASE IF YOU HAVE A JCM 2000, I HOPE YOUR NOT ONE OF THESE MORONS USING A GREAT AMP JUST AS A CLEAN TONE FOR GARBAGE AMP MODELS) THEN DONT HAVE ANY AMPS SELECTED ON THE POD AND JUST USE EFFECTS AND CONNECT THE POD INTO THE EFFECTS LOOP OF YOUR AMP SO IT DOES NOT GET ALTERED BY THE PRE AMP VALVES (WHERE THE TONE OF THE AMP COMES FROM) I WOULD SUGGEST WATCHING A VIDEO ABOUT THE POD BEFORE YOU TRY ANYTHING, IM PRETTY SURE ROB AND ANDERTONS HAVE VIDEOS ABOUT THE PODS
Does the Amp ctr fonction controles the channels of any amp, without the MIDI option ?
Did you ever get a reply on answer for your question? I've been having an issue figuring out the same thing. I can't get the "amp ctl" feature to work by using the 1/4in. output.
No buddy sorry, i did'nt had any reply. but i think that the "amp ctr" can control only an amp with two channels, it can maybe help you ...
Med yassine Mankai Hey Med. After messing with the settings, I finally figured out how to get the AMP/CTL feature work. I'm running the pedal through a Blackstar HT Studio 20 (two channel)
The way I got the GT-100 to switch between my amps channels was:
- Press the "system" button (it's right next to the volume pedal)
- On the left screen, turn Knob 4, clockwise, to go to Preferences, it will be labeled "PREF"
- Once you're in that setting, look at the right screen of the unit
- Turn Knob 7, clockwise, to change the ACCEL/CTL to "System"
- Next, exit out of the "system" settings and click the "CTL/EXP" button (its also next to the volume pedal, right underneath the "system" button
- The first icon on the left screen will be the "ACCEL/CTL" feature
- Look at the right screen
- Turn Knob 5, clockwise, and set "Func" to 'AMP/CTL"
- Turn Knob 6, counter-clockwise to make sure "MIN" is set to "OFF"
- Turn Knob 7 clockwise to make sure "MAX" is set to "ON"
- Turn Knob 8 clockwise to make sure "Source Mode" is set to "TOGGLE"
Those are the steps I used to get it to work. Once you get into the User Patch, you should be able to use the ACCEL/CTL pedal to switch the channels on your amp. I hope this helps. Let me know.
What's up Aeron!
Well, it works for me also, i'm using a Marshall valvestate 60 Watts and after missing with the unit i finaly can change the channels, thanks a lot.
Med yassine Mankai
I have a GT10, how do I set it so that I don't use the cab sims and preamp? Cheers :)
They've sort of gone up in a funny order but you'll see the others soon too! Just watch this space - Mark
I just bought my GT100 and im using it with the 4 cable method with my Legacy 3 head.
The problem is, only my main tube amp is working..The other 3 channels/preamp on my Legacy are disabeled...I though i can use my tube preamp with the boss gt100.
Edit: I can still use the preamp/speaker simulator for different overdrive/distortion sounds though.
Do not use the speaker simulation into a guitar amp with speaker. You can use the preamp simulations, but then you lock the send/return to your amps preamp, in order to send the signal direct to your amps power amp.
all right that does it, I'm gettin one of these
Band: Majesty
Song: Spotlight
Great video!. Is there any computer programe that I could create effects on computer (faster and probably easyer to make)? :)
I am pretty sure you COULD do it with the GT-10 AND move where you wanted your FX loop to sit in the chain
Does the BOSS ME-80 support the 4-cable method? Don't think it does. Would be good if someone could confirm. Gracias
It does not unfortunately
Watch this, it helped me . I have the me 80 as well. I play rock and roll live and ive been searching for a year on how to use it in its full potential.this video helped.
th-cam.com/video/U2NxBrKU9co/w-d-xo.html
One trick is to plug your headphones ( not to listen, just plug it in and leave there) in the AUX port. It will instantly activate the me80s secret power
HOLY SHIT!!! What a great guitar player! Honestly! He is just as good as Gilbert and even better than Petrucci!