VW ID.3 70mph Motorway Range Test - how far will it go?
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- Hey guys and thanks for tuning in this week.
Today, I look at the broader market of compact electric vehicles and in particular the Volkswagen ID.3 Family Pro Performance.
Despite being on the market for a couple of years now, the ID.3 has proved very popular as a great electric alternative to VW Golf and similar size vehicles.
This is a very efficient car at shorter ranges and mixed driving, but what is it like on a 70 mph motorway journey? What's it like in winter? Today, we take the ID.3 on my ‘Southwest 70’ test to see what range and efficiencies the vehicle can achieve in near freezing conditions.
I also discuss my opinions on the ride, cabin functionality, materials and of course, the price.
Vehicle: VW ID.3 Family Pro Performance
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Thanks for taking the time and effort to do this. Will help me with planning journeys.
I love these videos. My only criticism is that you should check the gps speed vs the indicated speed to make it fairer. My old LEAF would only be doing 63 mph at an indicated 70mph
Thanks for the positive feedback. I completely understand regarding GPS speeds and your LEAF is great example. However, my belief is that keeping it relative to the consumer is also key, you’ll always work with the figures in-front of you whether they slightly shorter/ longer or slower/faster and as range estimates are inaccurate in general I don’t see a real benefit unless a situation like you mention with your leaf arrises. My MG4 and the ID.3 are fairly accurate. But I will always check to see if it’s a crazy difference which is worth reporting. Thanks again for tuning in 👍
That’s spot on what I experienced driving to Exeter and back Christmas Day in my identical car, recharging at Wincanton and Cullompton.
That’s awesome. How are you getting on with ownership ?
@@stuart_thomas no problems once I adjusted to cold weather driving. I have a heatpump fitted. Drove to Italy Switzerland and Germany last summer on a little road trip with no issues. I miss having lumbar support and blind spot assistance on the door mirrors. Otherwise a great car.
@@tomstringer3951 please to hear it - I bet driving through Switzerland was stunning. One for my list!
I find any EV great cruisers for road trips. I’ve been lucky enough to test ID.3, MG4, Tesla Model 3 and last week Kia Nero-EV and they just eat the miles in comfort.
It’s a medium practical car. It’s a size that’s right in the middle of the range, but it’s not really possible to use as a camper!! My replacement for the Zoe will be a Vauxhall Combo camper converted by Wheelhome in Brentwood.
Great video, what cabin heating did you have on?? (Sorry if you did state it, I was skimming it over lunch break!)😉
No worries thanks for tuning in. 22c and fan speed 1
Thanks for the video. Could you do a test on the Ioniq 38kwh?
It’s on the list Mark 👍
Thanks for that Stuart . The more reviews of electric cars I see , the more I don’t want one . You wake up one morning and it hits you , I’ve never been to Hunstanton ! the only west facing resort on the east coast . Jump in car and via the snake pass , I live in Bury , go there . Look across The Wash to the Lincolnshire mudflats , and see the bright lights of Boston and Skegness in the distance, while eating great fish and chips for tea . A nice drive back in the evening, all with a five minute stop for fuel .
What's the issue you see - range?
@@stuart_thomas range has to be the main issue , not even a comfortable 200 miles is ridiculous. Not possible for me to home charge. The general point I was making is you can’t just get in and go , unplanned.
Hunstanton is nice.
Thanks for the ‘real world’ demonstration. It’s a pity that the car won’t deliver a 200 miles range via motorway driving.
There is a larger battery pack but VW are restricting build due to component shortages. However, summer months will make it possible. Perhaps MG4 long range?
It sounds like a great car. Now what do I want out of my car? I want comfort, reliability and a big enough boot to transport a model railway layout.
Range is not quite there for me yet, but the refresh ID3 is out later next year and VW are talking about aiming for 450 mile ranges and a new 4x4 sporty version looks good, plus the refresh model3 and BYD seal are coming. For me makes more sense to keep my Vaxhall Ampera PHEV for a bit longer and save up some money for a new EV. To me the MG4 is Fugly as hell, hate all the angles and dents, not my thing.
Mileage is absolutely fine if you live in a town and go to work in it, or travel to the next town or village 👍 full tank about £17 quid and lasts a month whats not to like, a short commuter's car , fantastic 👍.
Thanks for the video. Your climate control seems to be set at 25.5 rather than 22 ? I have an identical car and getting slightly better numbers but I run my climate on much lower and use heated seats instead.
Hi Carl thanks for tuning in. I think the 25 figure is for the seat heater. I did select 22 on the screen in the beginning. What temp do you use? 👍
At Gloucester services I would have had to stick some charge in. Have MG4 now but the Peugeot e208 hasn’t convinced me it is worth risking it.
Always be charging as they say Wendy! Totally agree
I drove from West Midlands to Suffolk all motorway in September in an ID3 which was 165 miles and got there with 35% battery remaining
That’s great which battery pack does your ID3 have? If it’s the 58kw usable that’s fantastic
@@stuart_thomas 58kwh only unusual thing is I have the heat pump
The weather was milder and this would have given a greater charge & range?
@@Wendy-cj5yz The outside temperature has a lot to do with the range
Good honest review. Yes MG4 is cheaper but ID3 will have higher resale value. I found the ID3 rear seats have more legroom than the MG4 especially for 6ft passengers and rear seats seemed a bit wider. There are differences in battery chemistry and charging as per manufacturer needs to be followed to reduce degradation of the battery.
Totally agree ID.3 will have a better resale (more expensive car) and there’s also an 18 month waiting list. It is very roomy too which is a bonus if you have taller passengers although I’m not sure how often you might take 6ft passengers in the back? 👍
@@stuart_thomas Yes waiting 18 months is bad. Probably because the wiring looms were being made in Ukraine or so I was told. Rear leg room is a bit better in ID3 but MG price is really good.
@@RB-lt8kt it seems waiting lists are getting longer for all manufacturers including MG too. Unless you want a Tesla!!!
@@stuart_thomas Yes but Tesla £10k plus more for standard range with 50kwh battery.
@@RB-lt8kt i think they’re £48,490 now and that’s a 60kWh LFP battery
I'm looking to move up from a Leaf 40 to either a Cupra Born or Kia Niro. Leased price is almost identical (Niro 3 vs V1) Which would you recommend?
We're a one car family of 4, with growing teenagers and regularly do a long journey of 150 miles.
Also, thanks for doing these 70mph tests. Crucial real-world information, hence subscribed.
Hi Thomas thanks for tuning in and the great question. What a great situation to be in.
Having driven both ID.3 (same car-ish as the Born) and Niro EV, they both drive incredibly well and you’d love both. I would say the cabin is noisier on the Niro which I’m sure you could tell in the video, bearing in mind the ID.3 had panoramic roof too which isn’t normally good for acoustics and that was quieter.
The infotainment in the Niro is much better and regen paddles are fantastic you can jump from city one-pedal driving (you’ll be used to that in the leaf) to least rolling resistance in a second. No one pedal driving on the Born. Niro 3 will also give you vehicle to load capability.
With the born you do get the sporty aesthetics and 130kw peek charging which is great on road trips or if you just get low on charge and need to juice up quickly for 10 mins. Even deep into the charge it will charge quicker than the Niro. But both will do the 150 mile trips effortlessly.
Both have generous boots (watch out for my storage test on the Niro this weekend).
I think out of the two the born might be the more fun to drive being rear wheel drive and that might get my vote but I’d suggest test driving both and see how you feel.
Just out of curiosity, how much more is it for Kia EV6?
@Stuart Thomas thanks for the advice. I'll have to look into EV6 price, I did look someway above my budget in the scheme's menu and didn't see it, I'd think an extra 100 a month at least. Certainly the Ioniq 5 was, it was nearly Tesla money.
@@stuart_thomas £72 a month more. You'd rate the EV6 then?
@@thomaschilds8781 it’s on par with ioniq 5, re: next gen 800volt ground up EV architecture and both can charge as quick as 265kW peek (10-80% 18 mins), biggish boot still and quicker than both Niro and cupra born. It also has more cameras for blind spot checking etc bigger battery (328mi WLTP). If you like to tow it can tow more 1600kg.
I think it’s worth test driving both but it does also come down to budget
Does the ID.3 have an audible reverse warning for pedestrians? Didn't hear anything in this video
Not sure about reverse as the sensors drowned everything out but it does have the pedestrian sounds for crawling pace
How is the ride and handling compared to the MG4?
It’s similar in that they’re well grounded and can chew the miles effortlessly however, I’d say the MG4 ride comfort, suspension and the feel through the steering is slightly better. It’s definitely more nimble. Unfortunately I didn’t have time to drive ID.3 around b-roads and lanes but I’d imagine they would be similar being similar weight and RWD. If you enjoy a quieter cabin the mg4 has better sound insulation but id3 has a lot more glass, I get the same problem with my model 3.
I presume this is the car with the smaller battery? My 58kWh battery is currently giving 290 miles urban and 240 motorway.
Stuart do you still have mg4 ?
I do still have the MG4 👍😊
Considering the price it sounds much noisier than your MG4 and worse consumption it seems? And the heater controls are not lit is that right as well as being haptic etc...
Thanks Mike. It’s definitely a noisier cabin but so is my Tesla and a lot of that is because of all the glass. I guess it’s a trade off if you want the panoramic roof etc. but MG4 is surprisingly quiet. Couldn’t be 100% sure about illuminated buttons as it was the wrong time of day. From what I understand from videos I’ve seen the controls under the infotainment are not illuminated
@@stuart_thomas Do you have post-2020 M3 with double-glazing?
@@chrishyde1216 I do, it’s one of the first batches that arrived with heat pump and new centre console from Fremont
Nice report. You don't seem to have range or charger anxiety. 👍👍
Thanks Richard - I’ve been driving EVs for a few years now and I’m very ‘comfortable’ with it all. We’re actually a two-car EV family now 😊
@@stuart_thomas You give me confidence although still no sign of the ID3 Max. Maybe next year! 🤣
@@DumfriesDik could be a long wait for that one Richard, indeed any Vw group products now. The only ID3 you can buy is the Life spec due to severe component shortages and waiting times are 18 months plus (according to VW). Audi Q4 is also 18 months.
@@stuart_thomas I’ve been waiting nearly 15 months already!
@@DumfriesDik wow that’s a long time. Have you considered a different EV?
2:32 the good news is this is the “premium” art velours fabric, there is a worse spec you can enjoy in the Life model 😂
Is that not discontinued? It must have been really bad
@@stuart_thomas I wasn’t aware of that, good news, I sat in one and it reminded me of a cheap Japanese Kei car (which are very much built to a price and weight, and where you can forgive that kind of fabric choice)
I’m not a fan of the MG4 since it’s lacking the most basic features. Such as light for the back passengers. Type C port. I’ve been ever more impressed with the ID side was wondering the ID3 your driving was it a 45kw or a 58kw as do the same myself more motorway/B roads.
Thanks riceman. Model I drove was the 58kW model. FYI-MG4 does have USB-C but unfortunately it does lack a rear cabin light 👍
@@stuart_thomas Always a pleasure to watch a fellow enthusiast driving an EV. I’m holding back on a 45kw since it’s in my budget. If you have driven an ID3 45kw. Is it enough to do motorway miles and b roads. Otherwise I’d have to go for the ID4 52kw but not liking the interior of brown leather.
@@0ppszee I haven’t driven this one. I think VW are only selling 58kW at this time so worth checking unless you’re considering 2nd hand. If this is your budget id definitely consider MG4
@@stuart_thomas They do sell the 45kw but it’s now sold as second hand. I’m on the fence about buying one. Not liking the MG4 and it’s appearance. It’s budget friendly which takes away important features from the car.
Pretty car!! Sorry, but not quite to my tastes!! My current car is a Renault Zoe, which is hard sprung, has a bad cruising attitude and is great for boot space.
Full charge 159miles range ??? WHAT?
When u do range test, u didn't confirm it is 70 mph Real GPS speed (many different app in smart phone can check this). For most car, u usually have to get to 73 mph indicated speed to reach 70 mph real GPS speed.
Some car is off even more, like getting to 76 mph indicated to get to real 70 mph GPS speed.
So your range test result is not "apple to apple" comparison when comparing between different EV test results.
If you didn't precondition before you set off with these temperatures to warm up the car, then that's why you had low efficiency at the beginning, it was warming the battery for the first few miles. Try doing the same test with your MG4 without preconditioning and at 0.5 degrees start. What temperature was the cabin heating and were you in normal mode. All important bits of info.
Thanks peter. Unfortunately, I didn’t have access to the vehicle when I wanted however, it was charged over night up until an hour before I jumped in it, but quite right it has all the behaviour of coldgating battery to begin with.
Form model 3 perspective. Preconditioning the battery doesn't seem to offer me much efficiency gain. Or the benefit is negligible. I still chew away 30% to 31% charge for 70km stretch with -2 degree C, running falken eurowinter 245/45/R18 with highway speed average at 110km. So, the only justification I can gvove to the battery conditionning on model 3 will be take full advantage of supercharge
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v thanks for tuning in and I’m your comment. I guess every car will be different and the winter tyres will also have an effect on energy usage. Is this a post 2021 standard M3 or dual motor?
I have a LR dual motor with heat pump(which I’ll be testing) but in the UK there’s no need for winter tyres and the heat pump does a great job.
@@stuart_thomas it is 2022 model year rwd, i think they unified RWD to a 60kwh battery pack. I know the winter tire is going to chew off efficiency. But I also crank the heat to 21.5 C for confort. (Not much a choice, need to keep the kids nice and cozy). With average speed 110km, the car is not cruising at a very efficient speed either.
@@user-jh6vt8vx4v indeed. That speed is never going to be efficient for any EV and you can’t turn everything off as you need to be realistic. Does standard range come with heated seats?
Is it worth £11,000 more than the MG4 SE SR or £9,000 more than the MG4 SE LR or £5,000 more than the MG4 Trophy? 🤔
I ordered the Trophy last week, £31,450 waiting time is March/April
For me, I’d stick with an MG4 and my 11k. However, that’s not the cheapest model of ID.3 so that’s minimum savings
@@slimbo689 I collected my Trophy last Friday (9th December) 👍🏻
No, and that’s money that can be spent on solar panels and a battery storage system.
@@cloggsy1971 Congrats, are you happy with it.
This car is unfortunately far too noisy. I have a Fiat Cross Red 1.00 litre 3 cylinder engine and is so much more peaceful.
Bs. It has been tested in many other videos and has been one of the quietest in class.
@@Js-ut9oz not from the video experience shows you can't hear anything else because it's so noisy. If you look and listen as I have. It says it all itself
That's the recording id.3 is really quiet
@@jontallon73 , I'm only able to comment on what I see and hear on your show. Yes?