Jocko Podcast 307: Don't Love Your Chains, Even if They're Made of Gold.

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  • @jonica7510
    @jonica7510 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

    I really wish these were still closed captioned. I am deaf and love the books. Most of the early podcasts are captioned. The last 2 to 3 months have not been.

    • @b_hazard
      @b_hazard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Someone should shoot echo a tweet? I'm sure he would hop right on it, if he realized it was an issue. There's probably a ton of people that would really appreciate that.

    • @jussim.konttinen4981
      @jussim.konttinen4981 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Subtitles also help foreigners understand unfamiliar words. 1:29:20 We have no "sir" expression in Finnish language. I was called sir for the first time in my life, when I traveled to the Philippines.

    • @Isotempo
      @Isotempo 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Did they disable the auto generated CC? If I’m not mistaken, those are usually available.

    • @b_hazard
      @b_hazard 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Isotempo it says "no captions available for this video" without an option to select auto

    • @internet_internet
      @internet_internet 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jussim.konttinen4981 Kuusi palaa. Vihdoin vihdoin vihdoin. Juoksentelisinkohan. Torille.

  • @CaseyBurnsInvesting
    @CaseyBurnsInvesting 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Discipline is freedom.

    • @codyzimmer9257
      @codyzimmer9257 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I agree. I believe our Joy comes from having discipline. It allows us to have a vision.

  • @markweiser2339
    @markweiser2339 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    In SAC (Strategic Air Command), we had a saying. 'Reward for a job well done was minimal punishment'. I could tell you some stories. My second Aircraft Commander, when he was a copilot, was brought up on charges of munity for rightfully following three engine takeoff data on a training mission and was told he could face the death penalty. True friggin story. The ridiculous case was dismissed, after he and the navigator, also brought up on same charges, hired a civilian lawyer. The AC was an Academy graduate. Both were outstanding officers and operators. Both separated after their first term of service was complete.

  • @sethedward
    @sethedward 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    This show is a masochistic total exposure and erasure of ego, and I love it. One of my new favorite podcasts? Check.

    • @nickdengler2985
      @nickdengler2985 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It's the best man. Enjoy and learn

  • @victorchinchillvas
    @victorchinchillvas 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Talking about the stoic Zebra, it's the freeze part of the fight, flight, or freeze reaction. The mind disassociates from the body during the process of dying. Get some 🤘🤘🤘.

  • @bryanvincent4927
    @bryanvincent4927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    The thought of Jocko grabbing some guy's hair and using it to slam his entire body to the ground is WILD.

  • @johnfire100
    @johnfire100 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    i had three dogs once. everytime we spilled something all we had to say was "CLEAN UP CREW" and our food disaster was solved in less than 3 minutes......

    • @hirumbiffidum9145
      @hirumbiffidum9145 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      YES, that's because doggies and kiitties are not animals they're people they're living creatures that have feelings ! 🐈🐕

    • @mindcraftpoly8869
      @mindcraftpoly8869 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@hirumbiffidum9145 they taste delicious too!
      Ever had a Philippino Puppy?

    • @OurBlackFriend
      @OurBlackFriend 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not sure how this relates to the episode yet. But as a fellow three doggo owner I can relate lol

    • @johnfire100
      @johnfire100 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      pavlovian conduitioning......

    • @globalprofits101
      @globalprofits101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mindcraftpoly8869 yes I've eaten phillepino dogs before. Not bad at all but my favorite is chihuahuas.. now that's real tastey Almost like chicken wings

  • @elbillyota9215
    @elbillyota9215 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I LIKED THE PODCAST! JOCKO IS VERY CLEAR, AND IN THIS ONE, ECHO AND THE GUEST COULD SPEAK AND EXPRESS THEIR OPINIONS , CHEERS FROM ARGENTINA

  • @Thabigchance1995
    @Thabigchance1995 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    " Seize the day or let the day seize you "
    Love from a small youtuber

  • @patrickoberem9109
    @patrickoberem9109 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jocko this book is awesome! I love the analysis your team brings. It's difficult to quantify how valuable your podcast is. Hopefully our young leaders are deeply immersed in all your podcasts. Our enemies should fear the collective value you bring. My family is better off for your input. My son listens quietly every now and then ( carefully chosen sections of the show that just happen to be on when I pick him up from Crossfit.). A thinking man is a dangerous man indeed.... Love your input Echo if your'e the only one reading this.... Obviously Dave is a crazy smart legend!

  • @ViolinViolaMasterclass
    @ViolinViolaMasterclass 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Jordan Peterson’s books (as most of you know!) talks about the importance of walking the thin line between Chaos and Order and that the process of doing that actually CREATES someone with character and skill. The daily tight rope walk of balancing the dark with the light will make you or break you

  • @miltsk5399
    @miltsk5399 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank uou guys for keeping me company and keeping my head stright while im working here in a far land of estonia.. tou guys are awesome

  • @amsalespush
    @amsalespush 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Willink, you HAVE been hypnotized. Your attention and focus have been directed by other people at some point or another. Applies to all of us.

  • @thewize
    @thewize 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loving the return of "back to the book"!

  • @johnhansen4794
    @johnhansen4794 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    "Don't Love Your Chains, Even if They're Made of Gold."
    100% correct brothers and sisters.
    And remember that there are no chains stronger than those made from your own mind set and attitude.

    • @a-t5380
      @a-t5380 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Well put

  • @TwitchClipsUnleashed
    @TwitchClipsUnleashed 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for all your doing. Lots of love from Canada.

  • @AhmetKaan
    @AhmetKaan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *"You will never change your life until you change something you do daily, so the secret in success is found in your daily routine."* 🌅🙏
    _Comment yes if you agree! :)_

  • @jaywalker1883
    @jaywalker1883 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You fellas are awesome, looking forward to meeting y'all in person when the time is right...Please keep up the great work!

  • @cynthiathomas5754
    @cynthiathomas5754 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Human nature seen in corporations and politics. This shows how we have not changed much. We should never forget how human we still are.

  • @travisboothe5670
    @travisboothe5670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    34:47 to 44:35 would be a good excerpt. Masculine vs feminine or short hair vs long hair

  • @cisoperez9423
    @cisoperez9423 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jocko bro, the peanut butter chocolate Mölk is my favorite so far:) Bro, it's ridiculous good 👍 👌

  • @travisboothe5670
    @travisboothe5670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    1:54:33 to 2:03:58 would be a good excerpt. Poor leaders only look out for themselves. Good deal Dave's F35 example of good leadership.

  • @DemetriPanici
    @DemetriPanici 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *"Set your goals high, and don't stop till you get there." - Bo Jackson*

  • @byaringan13
    @byaringan13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    There was once a talk where Jocko was talking about how he met a young CEO and he felt a little intimidated and the guy was a bit brash too...then Jocko detached and dealt with it and turns out the guy was also intimidated by Jocko. Does anyone know where this was from?

    • @gijoey5912
      @gijoey5912 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It’s in his book. Leadership Strategy and Tactics.

  • @connor1402
    @connor1402 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I remember Jocko coming to CAP and talking to us. It was really cool.

  • @coralgrant3739
    @coralgrant3739 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Addicted to these Amazing Energy Drinks!!!

  • @LookingAway359
    @LookingAway359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Listening to Final Spin, and just saying, it would make a great movie.

  • @michaelcoviello1017
    @michaelcoviello1017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Fort Duquesne = "Doo - Cane"
    Great episode gents!! Great to listen to while working

  • @R.Tafolla
    @R.Tafolla 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:28:32 the start of every Jocko Podcast. That’s all these news casters have to do is start watching one episode of the podcast and he introduces himself every time.

  • @fdvboldhjbfv8791
    @fdvboldhjbfv8791 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Keep it up, this is an extremely important topic! Your take on Freud is hilarious though lol

  • @c1w76
    @c1w76 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for your service and all the content you’re putting out thank you 🤙🇺🇸

  • @domhouse1
    @domhouse1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    @jocko - would love you to expand on the “Competitive being good” thing more.
    As someone who was highly competitive myself - i know first hand it comes with a lot of costs. Ego, can’t accept criticism, Needing to win every argument, constantly comparing yourself to those around you (trying to look good relatively rather than focus on your own performance), setting up everything into a competition often at the expense of relationships.
    Competitiveness is masking a need for security - I need to ‘stand out and be seen’, people’s self worth rides on winning or losing. Ultimately it’s an external driver - a need to impress others and therefore they have control over you.
    Instead of Competitive Lets think in Achievement terms: a focus on my own performance excellence, achieving self set standards (rather than a relative ‘competitive’ one), focusing on the long term objective and breaking it down into steps rather than a just a short term focus. A focus on performing the process well rather than exclusively on the outcome. If we do these things well then we will get the results - we’ll win in competitive situations but that isn’t what drives us.
    Maybe this is what you are saying when you say “competitive is good” because I know you also wrote an entire chapter on “check your ego”. But Would be really interested for you to go further into the topic of having a “competitive mindset” vs an “Achievement” mindset as described above.

  • @AnonYmous-pl2id
    @AnonYmous-pl2id 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    35:00 I'm a pretty average guy, but I have never thought men needed admiration or appreciation. I always thought real men did what was necessary regardless of the rewards, kind words, and blessings.
    The stuff about women seems like malarkey as well.
    Although, a warm plate of food is appreciated after a long day.

  • @ElijahoutdoorAdventures
    @ElijahoutdoorAdventures 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    hey Jocko I recently started taking Jiu Jitsu at my local gym in Florida but I wanted to buy a GI from your website bit i went there to find you have no GI's for sale please let me knwo if im missing something

  • @travisboothe5670
    @travisboothe5670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:37:49 to 1:43:04 would be a good excerpt. never forget how you got there. You are not superior. Or stay humble

  • @globalprofits101
    @globalprofits101 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mango all day bro it's my favorite

  • @stuartdamon3610
    @stuartdamon3610 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    😂 I don’t think Jocko’s daughters are down with free buzz cuts.

  • @joepetto9488
    @joepetto9488 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Its strange how in the age of melee combat from the Paleolithic onward to the 1600s, male fighters had long hair. Yet in the age of kinetic weapons and distance fighting short hair became prominent. The first instance of cutting hair in a military was in Alexander's army when they had the Macedonian men (who came from loosely related hill tribes) all cut their hair down to the same length, the reason being to give them a sense of uniformity.

  • @defenderofwisdom
    @defenderofwisdom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That could be the case, we have the insular cortex which wires disgust into moral judgement. So if we have a moral consensus against fleeing and failing to prevent the tribe from being attacked, disgust can cause shame, and so be a catalyst for a tribal code of honour.

  • @travisboothe5670
    @travisboothe5670 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This might be a good excerpt 30:00 to 32:24 criticism

  • @jopo7996
    @jopo7996 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jocko looks like Matt Damon, if Matt never skipped head day.

    • @surfshack2
      @surfshack2 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      If Matt had a set of nuts! 🤣

    • @requited2568
      @requited2568 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Lol

  • @gijoey5912
    @gijoey5912 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1:20 sounds like my kind of doctor

  • @AhmetKaan
    @AhmetKaan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *Sometimes when you are in a dark place, you think that you are buried but you have actually been planted...*
    If you are going through that hard time, *just know that I am cheering for you...* 🖤

    • @pnwghost
      @pnwghost 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      You ever going to stop trying to leech off of Jockos content?

  • @DemetriPanici
    @DemetriPanici 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This message is awesome

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Every one can adapt. Sell preservation.

  • @ViolinViolaMasterclass
    @ViolinViolaMasterclass 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    It’d be neat to hear you discuss the contrast between certain historical leaders…for example certain conquistadors like Cortez and Navarez…the first being an incredible leader and the second responsible for ruining an entire expedition😬 or General Lee and Grant two amazing American leaders…or even some of the Original Texas Rangers who had to adapt their warfare to the times.

  • @Zajuts149
    @Zajuts149 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I so want to hear Jocko play some Eric Clapton on his guitar and sing: "Freud just lied, Freud just lied, Freud just lied. Cocaine!"

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My dad took me to bible study. I was a real rebel. Study that. Military taught me bible. Oldest. And younger siblings really do not know how I really think.

  • @til159
    @til159 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you somehow do a podcast with mirko crocop ? Would be an awesome podcast and quite unique from the other ones.

  • @MarkusLaumann
    @MarkusLaumann 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    3:30 The guy your are thinking of is Andrew Huberman of Huberman Labs. Go find his TH-cam channel. It's pure functional knowledge dumps.

  • @DeathChild7
    @DeathChild7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    We are finding out who loves their chains.

    • @requited2568
      @requited2568 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And those who are gleefully helping build the chains for others.

  • @razxmnazx1031
    @razxmnazx1031 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the fight is eternal.......the stupid must be defeated every cycle,,,,,,be ready.

  • @Vex916T
    @Vex916T 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This military incompetence series is Jocko passive-aggressively telling his audience that we super suck at doing military stuff.

  • @gailvolm3862
    @gailvolm3862 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Truth out of balance is extreme, or heresy. Any one trait/truth removed from the tension of all the other good traits/truths becomes so inflated/extreme as to be false.

  • @cdrtej
    @cdrtej 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think the author is writing for himself at 56:29

    • @cdrtej
      @cdrtej 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      1:48:00 clinging to a drunken father with misplaced, pathetic dependency, eh?

  • @LookingAway359
    @LookingAway359 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Get Andrew Huberman on the podcast.

  • @bobbarker1469
    @bobbarker1469 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This subject is very interesting considering where the military is headed with the "woke" attitude.

  • @parkeranderson5074
    @parkeranderson5074 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    2:38:32

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hate getting my hair cut. Cost me a Benjamin Franklin. And deep cherry red. So I do not care. I'll keep it.

  • @falkaa88
    @falkaa88 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    SJWs and the like should learn from this butch military guy what it means to be tolerant, open - minded and considerate. Thank you Jocko for yet another amazing podcast.

  • @wirenutz7869
    @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are Trader Joe's ( recalled chicken ) PLCs that control machine calibration being hacked ? A small adjustment to the device could make the difference between bone fragments or no bone fragments . Or is this a human issue ? Should devices that perform food processing be accessible online ? Is that why some soda bottle caps are too tight , while others are too loose ? Hello McFly !

    • @wirenutz7869
      @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Are they being punished for honoring Veterans Day ?

  • @lampshad3126
    @lampshad3126 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Andrew Huberman is that guy!

  • @gailvolm3862
    @gailvolm3862 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hair is the glory of woman and the shame of man, is quoted from the Bible by Woolsey.

  • @China_Secret_Police
    @China_Secret_Police 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro!
    ....Snoop Dogg said Deontay Wilder has *"Skinny Knees"*
    ROTFL

  • @angmori172
    @angmori172 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being brave with other peoples' lives and being generous with other peoples' money - the two most dangerous and society-destroying vices there are.

  • @wirenutz7869
    @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    And so the Bell labs / Lucent - - - Johnson & Johnson template is verified

  • @yurielcundangan9090
    @yurielcundangan9090 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was a certified "JoCKo" ClaSSic

  • @joecarlin8387
    @joecarlin8387 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Let’s get BTF Tony back on!!!

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fact. 101 basics.

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well I went to college and some were 12- yr.olds. studying at home. Not about age.

  • @TheShubLub
    @TheShubLub 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    59:55 Meminine confirmed

  • @SurviveProtect
    @SurviveProtect 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    When will you have some Black Navy SEALs on your podcast? There might not be a lot of them but I know they exist. I never hear about the black ones. How well do they do in the SEAL Teams? Also, interview some Black Green Berets too, I'd like to hear their perspectives on business and life.

    • @cdrtej
      @cdrtej 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Jeff Higgs was on just a few shows ago dude!

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Desire. Genesis 1-3.

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Moderation.

  • @nomameswey5453
    @nomameswey5453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

  • @wirenutz7869
    @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fisher Medidata NJ plane crash , Amazon TV AD Lonely Horse ( filmed near space defense contractor in NJ ) , Emile Duyster , Adam Jacob , Untited4Iran ?

  • @toastertyler7435
    @toastertyler7435 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sup joko

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is classroom right here. Yup.

  • @wirenutz7869
    @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    1511 Flowerheads ?

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Snobs never survive.

  • @NickPDX22
    @NickPDX22 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “The only easy day was yesterday”

  • @michaelhicks4196
    @michaelhicks4196 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fort “doo-cain”

  • @jwconstruction9065
    @jwconstruction9065 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    U guys like Donny omally
    Funny as fuck u should have him on

  • @hirumbiffidum9145
    @hirumbiffidum9145 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    That's not fair Jocko. I love my chains ... there made from goofy plastic beads from the arts and crafts stores in order to make phony balogney shoulder chords for that fake crappy purple, gray, black, and white wannabe NAVY/MARINE utility uniform I wear 🤡

  • @claudialsmith2996
    @claudialsmith2996 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Agree. I don't give a B's.

  • @turbowtime9611
    @turbowtime9611 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Bro talk about wtf is happening in Russia/Ukraine/Belarus/Poland right now.

  • @razxmnazx1031
    @razxmnazx1031 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    im sorry son....did you ay warey?

  • @diviningrod2671
    @diviningrod2671 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    "Psycho babble "was the term you were searching for brother.
    " cocaine is a helluva drug" Rick James

  • @privateprivate2268
    @privateprivate2268 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍

  • @ksprh724
    @ksprh724 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jocko should make a podcast about whats going on in his country that he loves and fought for? America is being destroyed. Fucking wake up and see.

  • @wirenutz7869
    @wirenutz7869 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    International THREAD ALERT : Windham Hill Music / Hotels , Ford Auto design & engineering , JolieLED , Disney Cruise .

  • @ExiledSpiritunderground
    @ExiledSpiritunderground 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    YO JOCKO, THEY UNSUBSCRIBED YOU!

  • @ExiledSpiritunderground
    @ExiledSpiritunderground 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WhY Tf AM i hAViNG To "RESUbSCRibE"!! They're fKN YOU JOCKO

  • @rahdevildonut1553
    @rahdevildonut1553 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    RAHH

  • @nomameswey5453
    @nomameswey5453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    First

  • @nomameswey5453
    @nomameswey5453 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Second

  • @DerekJFiedler
    @DerekJFiedler 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Psychologists = brain mechanics.

  • @defenderofwisdom
    @defenderofwisdom 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I mean much like any major academic, he was right and wrong about a whole schlew of things. Outsider looking in... But just like the Spartans didn't know how to use corps or machine guns, when you're earlier to the game you make more mistakes. Like you said earlier, we tend to want to promote the generals who made no errors than the successful ones who made errors. But this doesn't accommodate that errors are part of a move towards academic knowledge just as they are part of the movement towards military success. Blanket assuming everything Freud said was wrong will lump what he was right about into the wrong category.
    Besides that, *many* medical and legal professionals do cocain. Hell: "Nearly 36% of physicians enrolled in physician health programs suffer from opioid abuse." According to other sources, substance abuse problems among doctors and nurses account for the highest workforce addiction rates.

    • @ETHANR26
      @ETHANR26 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol are you really defending Freud? he was a prick, and not a good source of information or research.
      Sure, being a coke head isn't a valid criticism, but PRESCRIBING cocaine as a cure all - is a helluva different story.

  • @ericr2617
    @ericr2617 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    This tip toeing you are doing around being politically correct detracts from the authenticity of your podcast

    • @requited2568
      @requited2568 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is almost painful, you can hear the battle being waged in Jocko's head and the restraint he is having to use to prevent saying anything directly.

  • @douchepos
    @douchepos 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Chains? You mean like coercion via passports to get around society?
    “The hottest places in Hell are reserved for those who in time of moral crisis preserve their neutrality.”‘

    • @kirsakaboom-5960
      @kirsakaboom-5960 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Means your own ego and not caring about anyone else’s wellbeing

    • @Johnzen03
      @Johnzen03 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@kirsakaboom-5960 Ooooooof. Not a great take. Eat healthy, exercise often, and you’ll be fine against COVID. The heavy handed approach by this administration is way overboard compared to the threat the virus provides.