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One of the Best Students I've Ever Had - He's Only Played For 6 Months & Is 3.2k! | BSJ Coaching - เกม
Hey all, I'm the student in this video and I figured I'd post an update since its been like a month. I had actually fallen to Archon V at the time of this session but just hit legend IV today.
I've really been focusing on the offlane vs carry matchup when I'm playing 5 and whether or not I need to babysit them, can I TP away, etc.. and its actually funny, I caught myself TP'ing away from my core when it ended up being bad the next few games after this session and had to actively remind myself not to do it. It's starting to just be instinct at this point and now it's coming down to whether or not I'm right about if I can leave or not, which is way easier to learn, because you just do it and see if it works or not. I'd really encourage any position 5's to listen to the shadow shaman segment, my minute 6-10 has felt much stronger in most of my games.
As far as position 4, the 'shove the wave so we don't get hit' situation that BSJ brought up hasn't happened or I haven't identified a situation it would be good in (but I play 4 maybe 20% of my games), but the 'farm and shove top until your core can do it' has come up and let me tell you it's day and night in the games. Keeping the offlane shoved in (as someone that can shove waves specifically) and being available to tp to relevant fights feels amazing. Sometimes your team flames you for 'afk farming' but that tends to be when they take horrible 2v4 fights or something else but it still helps to analyze afterwards if you should have shown up or not.
Overall active thinking until it just becomes instinct and asking yourself the right questions is the name of the game with DotA, because if you aren't thinking, then how can you actually go back and look at a replay and self reflect on your decision making? If you aren't thinking all you can analyze is how you react to what is immediately in front of you and what buttons you push. If you feel stuck please do yourself a favor and go back and watch a game and ask yourself what you are thinking about throughout the game, if you don't have a next step or a goal then you are probably floundering which is what I've found resulted in that 'waffling' feeling I described in the session. I believe in yall's ability to apply your brain because you care enough to watch youtube videos on DotA so you clearly care enough to try.
I really appreciate the positive comments people have been posting here and a few people asked what I thought about league vs dota. I stopped playing league after season 1 but the biggest thing I like in DotA vs league is the laning stage in DotA. It's actually fun because of all the things you can do to manipulate creeps and control the wave. I do like the the concept of Ability power in league and the teamfights are fun but overall I've enjoyed DotA more than league.
I'd like to hit Ancient by the end of the year but I'm just going to keep doing my thing, playing when I'm feeling it and not playing when I'm not.
Hopefully this 30 year old boomer can hit immortal in a few years if the world hasn't ended by then, hope to see you all there.
Party on, gamers.
Lovely
Lol in 6 months haha,, i have reach 3k in days just by playing pos 4 or pos 3 seriously.. this student of yours is omegalul shite.. imagine in 6 months haha.. this student of yours u dont even know him hes probably toxic as fuck or thrower no wonder why he reach that rank
30 years old legend 4 haha.. epic heral for real
Stop dreaming to hit immortal.... u have no idea how hard to reach that rank
@@markelvina785 wtf is wrong with you?
I've went to 3.1k mmr from 1.8k mmr in 2 months just by applying what BSJ says and I play only support. Thanks man and keep it up.
inspiring
I went from 3.2k playing NP pos3 to 1.1k playing Treant p4 in only a few weeks!
I went from 2.1k to 3.6k in one month just by spamming 3 mid heroes
Well you are fortunate trolls versus smurfs make it super hard I got to 2k from 600 - 1k mmr which was huge for me but I couldnt get any higher
Its interesting.I am 4.6k player and i know how hard and time consuming it is to reach that mmr on your own.Learning with coach is game changer.You get so many important information.Nice
Client: "It's kinda like the quarterback role"
BSJ: "Yeah, except you win; you get no credit"
Lol, pretty true.
Susp are like that..... most of the time at least in EU.
That's a bit of a meme. When a support carries the game with good decisions and spell casting I more often than not see credit given where credit is due after the game. Hell even the mysterious and sometimes questionable MVP algorithm seems to acknowledge supports these days.
@@zachb8012 true, even in pro game, support got mvp more often than core nowadays
This is so not true.. Every one appreciate having a good support and credit is granted.. Even the enemy admit and commend the good support.
@@mhmdethar299 this is a truly rare occurrence in my experience
I improved 1.6k mmr (from 1300 to 2900 mmr) in 4 months after started watching BSJ, gameleap, Jeniks and watching "player perspective" pro and immortal games, playing the 70% of the games as a support!
Playing support is easier coz undont have to fear you have 2 retarded supports, you can only have one 😅. Carries hit creeps so yeh. Support actually determines so much of the flow
@@Dimens1oner I also have to worry about retarded cores who throw away the advantage I give them.
Yeah Jeniks is the man
@@Dimens1oner support is not easy.......
@@youmadbro7973 did you read what i wrote or are u that bot from the other day i played ?
Loved it. Can’t remember the last time I spent a full hour n half watching a video on TH-cam. This was very enjoyable and DotA learning. Keep up the good work BSJ.
"i like casting spells more than right clicking" That's how you know it's a really support player.
not true thb. sf magic is core and spell casting, leshrac, shaker core, tinker core, voker core etc. etc. i dont know where he got that analogy from, but its kinda shitta
@@Wisstihrwas shaker core is a meme, and the others are exceptions... generally cores right click
What? The exact opposite is true. If you don't milk your positioning as support (especially ranged one) for free right-clicks in the first 10 minutes you are being with no exaggeration (but with a few exceptions) useless. Cores meanwhile get to creep aggro and concentrate on last hits which, more often than not, involve not right-clicking for seconds until the right time.
@@straightshootah7550 Carry shaker with good disabler removes heroes...
@@Cross8ow mb in your herald bracket
great content, i think i learned a lot from this video. grats to the student
In April I had 1k MMR and now 3,3k MMR by watching a lot of content and trying to implement it :) thx to BSJ/Speed/Jenkins 🤙
Pos 4/5 only
wut, crazy. I can't bust through 2k to save my life. :(
@@constantringingtech2230 just play like a bracket ahead and don't first pick. Getting the draft advantage will have so much impact. Having huge hero pool helps. If you can play any role, you can easily adapt for every single game.
@@hex-2748 not picking first as a support is difficult. I prefer carry, but I’ve played it all in my bracket to make up for my teams holes. Support is something that’s just been hard for me me as those little things I miss add you. Thanks for the encouragement.
@@constantringingtech2230 if you are pos 5, yes you need to pick first. But that means you will not control the game at your own will. Btw, my tips applies to below 3k solo queue. Knowing the hero of your pos 1 will hell you to choose proper support for him. I only hope for my carry to listen to my calls and I know we have 70% chance of winning. A carry that can farm descently and push when it matters is all I need in solo queue. Pos 5 that wins trade is very good on this bracket because if you kill the enemy 3-4 times in a lane, they will throw for the rest of the game. But obviously it will get harder and harder as you go up in ranks. I'm also a 1k player before and reached 3k. Knowing every role is important to really understand the game and timings.
@@constantringingtech2230 for Carry role, you need to pick a carry that will win lanes and scale well. Longer games usually happens on 3k below, so farming carries are generally good except you faced against a trio or smurf/boosters. Where they usually pick high tempo mid and stomp all three lanes. Communication in low ranks really helps. For carry specific tip, please buy stats, wands and clarities. Don't rush BF with brown boots.
Thanks for all the support content man
THANK You THANK YOU!!! I just want to say you said one of the most important things for a hard support.
today i played 2 games as dazzel. first game
dazzel + drow vslich magnus. i never left the lane why ? because i dont want my drow to die. and i want to make sure magnus doesnt get any farm,
our mid and offlanes crushed it and drow ended the game with 24-2 . there was no need for me to wonder around. stacked heal and repeat over and over and over.
second game.
i was dazzel with PL vs centaur and lion and our mid invoker was having a real hard time vs TA
I left the lane as soon as i got a chance to do so.
i went to help invoker. and i got first blood on lion and sacrificed myself 5 times to help PL get kills. I literally died 5 times just for pl to get kills.
PL ended the game with 12-0 score. but he was alone after level 6-7 why? because centuar cant really kill him. and if he needed help i always had a tp to help him.
but when i pick MK and go safe. man i swear i never understand my hard supports.
anyway this was the most important thing you said in the video. hard supports need to KNOW when to leave a lane. cause first priority is CARRY. second is MID hero.
The last para pretty much sums up 50% or more of the games 3k&below brackets. You get a rubick which forces lane push by constantly AOE-ing, a PoS KoTL illuminating creeps constantly, an earthshaker who wants farm for himself because "you're not worthy carry to farm", a CM which constantly AOEs creeps, rasta shocking creeps and all that shit. Even lion cant position himself to impale to avoid creep damage for harass.... While freezing lane is pretty common concept in LoL, DOTA has complete opposite species who dont know the F of the Freezing the lane near tower.... Plus the pulls.... God! dont get me started on that... These motivational speeches sound alot more BS than actually motivating most of the time
Bro i will apply everything you said , you explain so good and i can adapt pritty fast to your thoughts . Keep it up and thank you so much !!
Thank you so much for posting these coaching sessions and the effort you put!
Subbed and actually temped to pay for a session myself :D Keep it up!
"I'm only 3k, I'm not good at the game"
75% of the DOTA playerbase: :(
Im5.6k and still not good
Im only 4700 I'm not good at the game either. I dont think any of us are good at the game :P
'Welcome to dota, you suck'.
Twisted Scarlett 3k is good. Vlave said the average mmr is 2K so be proud to be 2K. And this confidence will he,o you. Rank up faster when I reached 2K I was very positive and happy and confident cuz I know I’m good at the game now and for, that point of confidence I ranked up even faster and in less than 6 months I went from 2800 to 4700. Be confident especially if you are above 2K cuz you are legitimately good at the game now and know what you are doing
@@KidTrigger Yeah, everyone is comparing themselves to the top 100 when they say "I'm not good", but in reality I imagine most people watching this video are great at DOTA and just don't give themselves enough credit. It's okay to not be the best.
Twisted Scarlett It’s so silly, it’s like if you’d play in your local teen soccer club, and say you suck because you don’t compare to Messi or Ronaldo. There’s such a huge difference at being “good” at something and being an elite professional, but that seems to be the only acceptable level in dota🤦🏼♂️
I love your approach to 'ask the right question' because often we don't have the answer right away but we can get the answer if we just ask the right question every time.
Even simpler, there is no answer if there is no question.
Watching BSJ tutorials reminds me of one of my driving lessons 12 years ago when I was cancelling indicators on a turn instead of steering. “JUST STEER THE FUCKING CAR” - And I never focussed on stupid shit again. Emotive bordering on an angry instructions are so much easier to remember! Thanks for helping the noobs out 🙏
That climb is impressive
I went from Herald to Legend simply by watching BSJ guides and coaching sessions. Absolute game changer.
Damn that intro bro, never gets old
Ty BSJ for coaching support role im also only play either pos 4/5..i really need this..i rank up from guardian to archon after watch your videos..it took me almost 6 month i don't count my games average i play 4-6 games/ day maybe more..communication between ur core really help as a support i provide them vision,smoke and stun/disabler i always pick support that have stun..as a support i always care for lane equilibrium as BSJ said..thank you for your content BSJ..
This is a helpful video, thanks Mr. Banana
The way this guy breaks down the gameplay and asks these great questions just makes me feel like I'm watching the Dr. K of dota
wow, one of the best coaching sessions Ive watched. completely changed my opinion of BSJ where I thought BSJ just hated on everyone.
Just wanted to reiterate what the client said: We get trained by playing against fellow bads. In the dazzle game when you were asking about shadow wave, most offlanes in 2-3k get pissed when you're pushing the wave with shadow wave even if you damage the carry with it. Then they start shitting on you, and they tend to keep you in that shitlist for the whole game. It's dota community conditioning.
it's so satisfying to see bsj not feel so restrained trying to dumb shit down
"when you win you get no credit" I've felt that
I've been playing the game for a year now. In the last 3 months I gained 2k mmr. Now leyend 2, thanks to your work and the work of Speed from Gameleap. I only wish I had come accross with your videos earlier. Ty for all the job and dedication you guys put in every video, helps a lot.
1+hour?! " I'm not gonna watch the whole thing!"..... ended up watching it twice xd
I remember how difficult it was to break that 4k barrier, but after watching a good mix of Jenkins and BSJ, Ive surpassed 4k and hit 4.4k in the past 2-3 months. On to 5k!
Feels like I already heard this. And he was awesome.... Probably twitch.
Yeah he's great!
Thank you!!
"I loke to cast spells nore than right clicking." this is why I support
Hopefully I'll retain this stuff (as a brand new player) I have 10+ years of LoL jungling experience so I get matchups are important and where on the map is my most efficient place to be. They call it "partying" in League. I like the "ask yourself questions" method. It does make the logic easier. I'm still new to Dota so I'm still intimidated but this was what I would consider a very good coaching session. Thanks for the video.
I was stuck at Cruzader 5 with 1.7k mmr and in just 3 months i reach legend 1 with 3.1k (only playing 5 and 4) and still grinding more and more, thanks BSJ god
My carry just simply said "you can leave now, I'm good"
My mmr before was 1400 now im 2520 watching gameleap and pro perspective and my youtube algorithm suggest me this damn road to 10k ❤️
@BananaSlamJamma how would you rank axe or sandking in this 1 10 scale?
3:08 cool loading screen.
20:44 Hit hard m8
I always play pos 4 mostly now. I have a doubt. How to finish games. We get leads, get rosh bust I always have trouble going high ground
As a pos 3 I always try to tell my support when my power spike is and what I think they need. Mostly gets ignored but helps in maybe 2-3 games out of 10
If you want to get better listen to his man when he says critically think about the game im on a 13 game win streak after watching all of his carry videos and applying what I learned from them I went from guardian 3 to crusader 1 I have seen massive improvements
im 3.4k in 1400 hours but i seem to be stuck at this mmr since a long time... ranking up in SEA in solo queue can be very difficult
I'm 3.4K and drop to 1.8K :D SEA is Cancer for sure, especially new update they go meta build and hero instead of focus to win. Wonder why people in SEA try meta and stuff in Ranked Match.
Currently at 2k mmr. Started in July this year. I'm doing best Midland but worse as support.
I enjoy clicking spells and making plays more than warding
bsj what do i do if my teammates are trash and the game is too heavy to carry?
Dam I never thought about tps that way. “If you tp somewhere, you don’t have intent to comeback, tp out of necessity.”expect this 1kbracketboy to move up fam let’s goooo
I calibrated guardian 1 and thanks to gameleap and BSJ in 1 month i reached archon 1 i highly recommend both
How do I purchase a coaching session with bsj
What if instead of mk vs beast it was spec vs beast spec might not have kill potential early so should spec just stay back and farm for spec if he gets early level he can sit in lane and farm better right like he will be slightly more tanky
hey whats the mana item he says on the video? is that another name for the mana boots or the infused raindrops? couldn't get that clear, it would be great if you're talking about a specific item do click on it on the shop, it can help visualize things better!
He was talking about ring of basilius, called it "basi"
What is better than asking so many questions?
Can you state your point without doing that?
Have you thought about it?
Is it possible that is actually doing the opposite effect than the one you intended?
How could you change that?
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPEND TO ME YESTERDAY!
You can buy bucklers still???
I want to hear the BSJ's student how he feels for DOTA compared to LoL
It is actually funny and the only pos 5 to ever get credit is the most consistent player ever is puppy. He is number one
23:29 thank you :)
P5 is like a quarterback. "Yeah, except you win and don't get any credit" lol
Anyone here wanna tell me that all those tips bsj gave us works on sea server 3k bracket?
Well starter around 900 mmr XD and a year after i have reached 4.3k all roels
Haha learned my lesson on listening to BSJ in the car with my kids. "You wanna fuckin shit on their dreams. You want that shit to die"
Yoooo fellow pos 5! Let’s goooooooo
This shaman is really good for his rank he’ll rank up fast
Thanks! I'll keep you updated!
@@theveteran4170 keep working hard buddy :D
beastmaster is scale of 8,9,10. How about timber and sladar?
How can you get coached by BSJ?
bsj what about this situation, u got lane tide vs slark ( lets say sups are kinda 1v1 jungle) so its the situation where slark want to hit you so you need to clean the wave cause u cant rly trade eficient, but theres an other option in which the slark goes on u and gets gushed so the creeps hit him a bit more and u get this 1-2 hits for a bit more ( lvl 1 )
I have 40 mmr, very bad.
DONT LET U R DREAMS BE DREAMS
Just DO IT
MY life :- 29:19
Lmao
BSJ face remind me of Mr Grey...especially when he is thinking....how Analtasia????
we looking for people like you. who can actually PLAY DOTA!
True as fuck. You can single handedly ruin the game for your whole team as a pos 5. I'm saying this as a support main.
People dont realize it, because the consequences of their actions are not immediately obvious.
Amazing coaching session btw, I learnt a ton!
How to get a session.
I played 1 month and got 4.2kmmr , but got stucked forever in 4.2k-4.8kmmr .
Can someone axtually explain me whats the point in maxing your E on SS before Q? TBH if I would see my sup do it I would report him
the disable time on the E far outweighs the spell damage on the Q, and by the time you max it out most carries and heroes you are looking to disable are always too tanky for any damage from the Q to do anything.
tbh if you wanna sustain in lane and fight them at the same time just go 2xtangoes, 2xmangoes, 2xfaerie fire and a salve. Just start hitting them or baiting them into their deaths. Try and bait them into your carry and kill them. With two faerie fire, you can prob hit with high damage and trade with them more efficiently. just try watch your positioning. Windlace starting item is not to say very good as it is costly and you can get more regen items provided you know your positioning.
If you need abit of stats just minus one mango and go for extra two branches. Just make sure to ferry out regen right away once you have gold. Trade and tango up. Don't overextend too much and if you do, make sure you trade kill with your pos1 getting the exp. Good luck.
I doubled my mmr to 4k since i watch....nah i just played the game for years and like to mess up with the games throwing and gaining mmr, bcos the truth is we got certain brackets as our 'limit barrier', everytime i try to break out of ancient to divine i felt like keep meeting up with badly coordinated team, as a support its sometime exhausting and not fun anymore.
Disclaimer, this is not to encourage or discourage anyone, just a simple heartly opinion share 😤😤
I think this is the least I've ever heard bsj flame a student.
Literally crazy how just applying simple tactics and mechanics allowed me to go from 1.9k to 4.1k, now I’m just floating around there and don’t really feel the need to take it to another level. I’m comfortable with my mmr and skill level finally
edit: the climb took 8 months by the way
I always pick 4 or 5 when i play with my friends and its pretty fun. But ofc they are malding me bcs my hero choices. Sometimes i play mars, pango, QoP,puck and even sven for support. But it works very well. I played dota since dota1, so i think i know almost all of the hero mech. The hero that i cant use prob meepo, visage, and medusa (never used it n not interested). Its fun to play using weird hero to support. But when i push rank solo, i always do 3 and i played my best too , 3k mmr now i think
he's 30 too, proves that us old folk can still do it.
im 33, i just go to immortal during the quarantine.
Boomer dota best dota
@@jigzo78 wouldent a boomer be someone born in the 70s or 80s....
@@tokeeeyo only for a woman it is
so do you actually coach people or what? because I want you to coach me
hey BSJ plz talk more about mid to late game with support rule...u always almost only talk about lanining i know its most important thing...but i think the supports needs to know what to do and what to buy in mid to late game ...or even super late game
dazzle naturally kills people when they are stupid.
- the whole reason i spam dazzle since i am still in crusader.
i actually went up 660 from 0 after watching BSJ vids
I followed this from 5k to 3k.
3k Immortal Rank.
Will you make another Slark video?
check out the new slark hero guide!
@@BSJ thank you : )
shout out to my boys in nigeria
banana slam jam. i watch your videos for the intro
❤
Fellow supports and BSJ (in case you see this): 90% of the time I am pulling, my carry feeds and pings on me complaining I'm "jungling" and I should go back to the lane. Even though I signal I am going to pull, and tell them to be careful. This is regardless of the hero, it happens ALL THE TIME, to the point where I don't even want to pull anymore and stay there babysitting them just so I don't get flamed and reported. How to deal with this? This is at 3k mmr.
I went from 2.9k to 3.6k in a week playing support only
can u coach me ? but how ???
What's funny is the carry has the easy job if you ask me, a great support wins the game, I know that goes against what a "carry" is but that's how I see it
I started playing dota around 3 months ago and from learning the game from my friends, now I am teaching them the game xd they are 5-6 years into dota
I just watch a lot of pros on youtube/twitch and try to mimic their game decisions.
-edit: I am 4k atm
This guy's the real face of Dota comunity haha
Classic Beastmaster game:
"Oh, wow. The lane is going great!"
10 minutes later...
"What is this slow bullshit? How does this guy get a pipe? Where the fuck did we go wrong?!"
18:52 Xd
i like to play dota ...and i like to play supports i went from 4k mmr to 200 mmr in the lasts 3months now quitting the game.
is this dude a professional or analyst? i never seen him win a ti. who the hell is this guy?
main stage analyst at The International :)
I am a support player who is stuck between Herald and Guardian. I own my lane in almost 80% of the games. But then my cores decide to all split push and take stupid fights (2v5). I am really frustrated. Like i reached the level of frustration that I don't wonna play ranked anymore.
I play for the team always but there is really nothing i can do when my teammates throw the game....
Living in south africa we have no ranked servers and have to play with 200 ping in eu...
wait ,is there dota community in africa ?
@@ezra7973 south africa the country yes, everyone here plays dota
Lol he is good actually, wish my sups in 4k were like this :p
They are and i am one of them and i can say the other four needs to appreciate them and their decisions instead of ignoring them or flaming them for mistakes
What did it feel like student coaching BSJ? 😂