How the Most Hated Dota Hero Won $6 Million
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 พ.ค. 2024
- When Techies was added into Dota 2, many considered him a joke character. But their laughter stopped abruptly when he made a play for The International 5’s prize pool of $6.000.000.
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Slacks said it best. Techies was not about some fancy damage numbers - he was about mindgames, about playing a unique experience
i miss bomberman techies, i was there crying with him when they turned him into jut another hero
Yeah techies was not about dota, but some different game. The worst part is that it takes only 1 player to make a dota game to become not dota game.
Mine-games, if you will.
The early version of techies was a hero that could play an entirely different game while playing dota
Technically Techies makes the other team play an entirely different game while playing dota, which is mine sweeper.
Minesweper
Old techies was just a game delayer. Both teams could just sit in jungle and farm, and then eventually the non-techies team wins because instead of a techies they have a hero who is actually useful in a team fight. The only way old techies actually did anything useful is if the other team is dumb and just wanders around to die randomly to green bombs, for no reason. New techies is way more of a useful hero. There is actually good teamfight utility.
@@anthonymercuri8885 you're wrong on so many reasons.
First of all, old Techies was "bad" because he is just as complex hero as Invoker, Meepo, Chen, Arc Warden or Tinker. Techies just didn't seem like he is complex, so dumb people pick him, thinking "Ooh, place mines, kill enemy, win game" and they lose. The good Techies player knows when and where to place mines, when to be more active with the team, what areas to block off for enemies.
Second, I'm gonna tell you one little thing. The old Techies had the same exact playstyle he has now. Blast Off!, Proxy, Remote and Blast Off!, Proxy, Sticky. See the resemblance? You know why almost noone played like this? It was sub-optimal. It is sub-optimal now. You have much better nukers than Techies. They just butchered his defensive and map control role.
The latest techies is nerfed the proximity mine activation is too long
God, I miss OG Techies... best time i had in Dota over the years... Slacks might be meme-ing but when you picked Techies back in those days you could SMELL the fear and frustration from everyone else in the match..and it was GLORIOUS
Smell the fear? Pah, they didn't even get the time to fear, when Tiny picked them up and threw them on a prepared minefield.
Or a Vengefull walking up to your lane through the forest, swapping your supporter onto 6 mines while taking her sweet time with you.
Imagine we got a video of one hero once a month, we would have over 10 years of great content
we get a video every 2 weeks!
@@Mathster_liveHe said it'll be 1 time a month after the first 2.
Which is fair imo. These vids take time
Considering how well written this is it would be great not to rush these videos.
players didnt aged that well bru
does dota have 100+ heros? Ive only played league as a teenager years ago, never got into Dota but i always thought there were like… 20 characters u could play and part of the reason it was a “better” game is they didn’t break the balance by introducing new characters all the time
I really like siractionslacks being the one you chose to include not pro player. Because dota2 is a unique game where pubs affect pro scene. In my opinion the reason Pudge not getting any significant buff despite showing such a bad performance across pro scene was he had a huge, ginormous pick rate in pubs
I'm glad he never did as it would make low-prio and low tier pubs ever more so insufferable
he's always banned anyways at all ranks below divine
I completely forgot how deadly Tusk and Techies used to be, one of the coolest combos in Dota. Love the video Baumi, keep it up!
magnus/pudge
my buddy and i used tiny+techies, for toss+suicide combo back then. weaker but way more fun.
Used to play tusk techies/tiny techies with my only online/discord friend who was willing to do it. We used to have a great time. RIP Rene
Both Tusk & Techies were my mains back in the day.
The rework made Techies into quite a cool and useful regular hero and a much less annoying opponent. But, like, I expect Techies to be the weird meme hero that plays his own game and ends up reducing the other team to a bunch of nerves afraid of leaving their base. Annoying as it was, Techies used to be really unique. Also I was really surprised to learn that Techies and Pudge could no longer deny themselves when I cam back to Dota after a loooong break, and I think it robbed both heroes of some of their uniqueness (though not so much as the Techies rework).
I think the issue with Techies is that he was almost impossible to balance.
Like the hero HAD to be bad. If it was even close to good people where absolutley infuriated by him
The rework made Techies into another generic nuker.
Techies were never bad before the rework. Pros just didn't play him because it doesn't make sense to spend so much time and effort to learn a completely new play style that doesn't transfer to other heroes.
I feel like right now Techies is in a shitty spot. (58% winrate, 700 techies games). With the removal of the silence and additional blast off range, it has become a lot more difficult to play the nuke/assassin style. In the latest patch i have had a losing streak of 12 using that strat which was amazing the patch before.
Valve forced me to adapt again, and now i‘m as annoying as old techies but with shittier spells. I rush octarine and aghs, when we are losing i deny the enemy access to our jungle, when we are winning i deny them access to their jungle. Before taking an objective i make a safe space for our team near it where they can retreat to during a fight etc etc. i‘m back to the annoying area control and placing mines style, and see there, my winrate since then is around the 60% mark again
@@Tintelinusthe real problem is that techies basically ruined the game, and was simultaneously both terrible and too strong depending on the player
Fundamentally a hero should not be able to hold a whole team from winning the game with unbeatable high ground Def, and he also shouldn't basically become entirely useless if the enemy team knows how to counter him or the player doesn't know exactly how to play him
That's why he was reworked entirely, he wasn't a functional hero
As an ex-techies main this makes me quite nostalgic lol, I miss the old techies, its a shame that we'll never see that version of him again.
man ex techies is the only reason i ever got to divine rank.....they killed the real techies bro 🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
The thing is, he can kill 6 slot hero with no item which is kinnda broken
@@artyaamadman5387 aeon disk is an item
@@artyaamadman5387 get vision, avoid his area, use bkb, get aeon disc
@@teemomain4967 back in the day there is no aeon disk
Dota 2 died for me when techies got murdered. Killed. Reworked into a different champ where they pieced together parts of his remains into something they call a hero. A game within a game was his purpose. That all died and so did the game for me. I look back now and smile at the fun I had and wouldnt want to ruin it with the shadow of a great hero once called Techies. Played and followed dota since it was first started in the battlechest. Great video Baumi!! Made me tear up at the great memories I developed over the span of time.
This video just got recommended to me so I guess the algorithm likes this channel 🔥
A long form video about a family friendly topic? Absolutely TH-cam is gunna push this channel. Glad it got to me
@@trevorstillson8126 There's nothing family friendly about Techies man.
Sir action slacks speech made me cry. You are our leader man. Screw the competitive scene. Fug it I’ll play him ranked bring him back to me.
As a decade old LoL player/viewer, this is the first DOTA video i've ever watched. Not sure why it showed up in my feed, but I'm glad I gave it a chance. You did a fantastic job making it easy to understand, and it was a fascinating video.
I hope your 11th birthday goes well for you!
@@JR-Whiteuncalled for
@@JR-WhiteGrandpa got ptsd from the moba war, please go back to bed
Teemo enjoyer?
I agree with Slacks, we need back the garbage winrate techies that everyone hates be it ally or enemy. The ultimate hostage keeper. Especially on this new big map where mine placement is more nuanced. At least bring the 25 talent for red mine move speed. That would be good enough.
I agree on that. Remove the 252 damage meme talent and give him the mine movement. Or make it his aghs and the minefield becomes a talent
@@tschabow5608 if it's associated with mines, then replace -0.8 delay, because it's useless, when mines is 1 second cd already, and replace with +75 movement speed on mines. And add +253 damage on right talent, instead of 252. Because, else, you remove physical damage and nerf hero further.
I've always been into psychological warfare no matter which game I'm playing. Techies and Meepo are my most played heroes. One to ruin the enemy's mental health, the other to ruin my own. I had like 70% winrate over 100+ matches for quite a long time on Techies. I do understand he broke the game when played correctly but it still feels bad that they just removed him from the game entirely.
Good recap. Though it made me sad.
I miss old Techies. He was fun to play and rewarded you for getting in the opponents heads while also forcing them to adjust how they played and moved unless they wanted to get punished. He wasn't the most fun to play against, but that's not unique among Dota heroes.
I agree with SirActionSlacks, there was always something magical about maining techies back in Dota 1/early Dota 2, thinking about the map as your playground instead of just an arena nade it all the more fun. Without looking at other people's playstyle, you could find new spots that could work in unique scenarios, or different ways to use your mines. Hero synergies beyond just Tiny, Pudge etc.
I wish that there was an interview with Robotvice. His techies was art. I haven't seen him play a game of dota 2 since the the sticky bomb rework
The community whining killed this man
I hate that rework
TpaBoMaH was peak Techies
You mentioned in one of your videos that you liked how much better the videos got as you made them, I absolutely agree, this one is so much better than the pudge one and if it keeps going like this that'll be fantastic.
It seems like his transition to a universal hero, the bigger map, and his aghs rework in 7.33 have given him a new lease on life as a competitive hero, which is nice to see.
I mean also giving him stun by default on blast off is good
i think the bigger map is a disadvantage its more space that u need to worry about and have to move around and control.
@@iamkrazy1 the silence was often much better, especially since support techies will now often get a free shard with tormentor. Old shard gave him not only stun but also more cast range on blast off
@@mrbleepblopguy4638 that's true, but being able to mine Rosh and the twin gates has seemed valuable even for just the vision (at least in pro games)
Techies is really week now ags is easy to counter by just siting in one place
Slacks is such a treasure
Seeing this video makes me want to once again play the old techies, i literaly painted the lanes with mines and they end up so simetrical, it was beautiful, i want the old menace to sociaty back.
What incredible content Baumi. This is what the community needs, and you are the PERFECT guy to do it
oh!
i just realized that ive heard his voice back then when im into dota!
u deserved it baumi!
Funnily enough, Valve had the same issue with Demoman in TF2. I used to play TF2 'professionally' (scene was small), and for the longest time Demoman's sticky bombs completely shaped the game. Demoman could completely hold a choke alone, and he was a great damage dealer in fights, because Demo is so OP he was limited to 1 player while all the other classes could have 2 (besides medic). It was the exact issues that Techies had when they were good. Over the years Valve nerfed the sticky bombs, but they still remained OP. The reason why Demoman wasnt nerfed into the ground like Techies was, is because Demo and his playstyle were there from the start and he was one of 9 playable characters, Valve could not nerf him into irrelevance like they did Techies, who was one of 124 heros. Had Techies been added at the start of Dota 2, and with other heros with the same defensive but offensive abilities, I dont think Valve or players wouldve hated him. But since Techies was added so late, and fundamentally changes the game like no other hero, 'everyone' hates Techies.
I don't think that was the case tho. Techies has always been in Dota 1. The problem often with Techies, especially Old Techies is that nobody plays against him too often for people to get used to him, and nobody plays him aside from genuine psychopaths that wants to make other players have a bad time. If someone does play him, they don't play him to his full potential, hence why Techies is a high skill floor and high skill ceiling hero.
Look at it this way, if you're against a Techies and don't know the ins and outs of the hero, you won't know the ideal mine spots, how to properly kill him, or how to deal when he's mined an area with players ending up being paranoid or overthinking where they walk because they died to mines for the 5th time. If you're playing with him, players laning with a techies doesn't understand that he can be a lane bully, especially when Blast off was introduced. They'll either pick a weak laner like Spectre or play passively where they can't or won't harrass the enemy. Old Techies can't harass as much since he has long range but low damage, but blast off can kill since at lvl1, it deals 300 damage back then plus a silence. There's also bad Techies players that just afk jungles and doesn't contributes to fights which ends up becoming a 4v5 in most cases which loses the game. Another thing that makes players hates him is that he can 1shot a full slotted carry with 5k HP in 1 second from the other side of the map with enough bombs and a lot of people think that's bullshit.
I remember Techies far back in DotA1. Really look forward to this now
can't wait to see a chen video. came to the game relatively late and its crazy to see how many changes they've had. hope the ally teleport feature comes back in some form in the future.
I think Baumi will do every hero. And I think he'll interview either Puppey or Kuro for the Chen vid.
It moved to KotL, I don't think it will come back unless KotL lose his recall.
Another baumi video to watch, always appreciate watching more videos from baumi.
These videos are really well made, and very informative and entertaining, even as someone who has never played a single game of Dota 2. Well done Baumi
SirActionSlacks is just so entertaining to listen to. He's so dynamic when he speaks, it's like everything he says is the thing he believes most strongly in the entire world.
AUI INTERVIEW
PLEASE
I NEED IT IN MY LIFE
I haven't played DOTA2 for years but I clicked because I loved holding games hostage with the old techies. I had a great win rate with him ~65% around the 3500-3800 ELO bracket (not sure if this has changed), with several hundred games played with him. Watching Juggernauts not realize suicide could go through the spin early, early rage quits, existential dread from the opposing team for 60 to 90 minute games (or more) and taunting the enemy team with scores of gems back by your well (think I had 5 in one game) just felt good. It just felt evil and so good. Having an entire team run into a stun trap, or running into a late game techies with billions of CC items is hilarious. Sometimes you would cause losses simply by choosing the hero, but the inverse was sometimes true too.
The old version of the hero really destroyed conventional thinking of how standard games go, and you could easily abuse people at higher ELO brackets. What was typical in standard games wasn't typical in games with techies. You could abuse rotations, conventional timings with creep respawns and ganks/counter ganks with the hero. Lots of malding by players who are use to doing standard things in an attempt to climb MMR when they get sent back to the well early.
I hate what they did to my boy when I looked at changes to him a couple years ago when they made him a more universal hero. It's probably good for the game but it doesn't mean I like it. This hero will always be my favorite and will always be the 'face' of DoTA to me. I loved the death threats, the malding and the rage quits when I played this hero. It was fucking gold.
the slacks interview is hilarious XD
slacks is such a character
Mark my words: This video will make Icefrog put remote mines back into the game
I love these videos! I love that they cover both the heroes history and the e-sport side too good. I hope we can see more of the old characters... Not only that, but I would love to see S̶k̶e̶l̶e̶t̶o̶n̶ ̶K̶i̶n̶g̶
I mean Wraith King covered too!
I mained techies back when dota was a game on WC3.
I've always saw the potential, feels good being ahead of the curve.
What an amazing video. Keep up the great work!! Much appreciation for your hard work.
Even back in WC3 days, there was a guide on split pushing techies using ult. First iteration of stun wards was not team-friendly but stunned a whopping 12 seconds. The build used them to cover escape by stun warding jungle paths to that lane, which were more limited back in the day. Rarely needed to even use self-destruct with boots of travel, 12s is a freaking eternity in MOBAs.
I don't know how good that was in "competitive" play in WC3 DOTA days, but I tried it myself and it was indeed obnoxious and put a lot of pressure on the other teams, especially before creep wave hp got to the point where 1 remote mine can't one shot.
I cant wait to see the next Videos.
This is the TH-camcontent the platform needs, thank you for your effort Baumi
One of my top 3 most played heroes and one of my favorites. Being a complete menace to both the enemy and your team was an experience of its own. I'll miss the old techies dearly.
Das faszinierent mich so sehr, dass der Kanal aus Deutschland kommt! Wegen dir erwachen meine Kindheitserinnerungen, es hilft mir so sehr in solchen schweren Zeiten and die alte gute Dota zu denken! Solche Personen wie du, machen das Spiel lebendig!
Incredible video Baumi.
Perfectly structured and very professional
When the last game you try to play at 2am suddenly have a techie in it.
Your work is outstanding! Godspeed mate!
Um Salve from Brazil. Keep up the good job Baumi, i'm loving these videos.
Another great video! Keep it up man, wish you all the success with the new channel.
ohhhh another week, another quality video from my favorite youtuber! great work as usual!
Bravo, Baumi! Well done, can't wait for the next video. Have a nice day!
I haven't played dota since 2017 so it's a really good time peering back at the glory days. Another enjoyable video
Great content, can't wait for the next one!
wow the interview is so sick, make me to luv both of you guys even more!!!
loving this new content! keep it up Baumi
great series Baumi. Love it.
Oh my god I really was wondering if there was a channel who did competitive retrospectives on dota, literally what I was looking for thanks so much for the cotent mate!
Awesome video, keep ‘em coming
Another banger vid! We love to see it
Another great video, thanks Baumi!
This channel is so good. These long videos with such great content is awesome.
my man tuzki is on point with these edits 🔥🔥 great video guys
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Amazing content, keep up the great work
I love these videos. Been watching baumi's videos since 2016. Great content 10/10 👌
Amazing video, can't wait for more
Daaaaaamn Baumi, thats some quality content! Looking foward The Next one
Didn't expect the next one so soon nice
Really nice video. Loved the action slacks rant you can tell he had so much to say haha I always find it sad when developers decide to remove a unique set of gameplay; I guess they were trying their best to make techies 'work' but instead he just disappeared.
One suggestion I wolud make, honestly that complexity vs IG game was really hype and I think you could have adjusted the mood (music or voice) to represent how exciting it was that techies found a legit strat at the international.
Good I love these videos. Always come back to rewatch them occasionally, despite having never played dota (or any moba for that matter) and never intending to, you just keep them so entertaining and interesting the whole time. Really makes me wanna root for and invest in a hero that I’ve usually only heard of for the first time a few minutes earlier. Love how much you turn each video into a story!
Let's go new video, i love these
really nice work man, keep it up
Some of by best moments playing Dota 2 with a friend (and doing horribly), was the joy of getting to experience said friend playing Techies where they wold chase down the enemy heroes going for that suicide kill.
That 251 damage segment was pure gold ahahaha
Also, Baumi really wasn't kidding when he said the Pudge video was the worst one because this one was somehow more amazing
I can't wait for the Io video, lots of things happened with that boi
I dunno kinda enjoyed pudge more
Old techies was the epitome of the saying “the best defense is a good offense”
Amazing content Baumi!
Incredible vid, subbed right after
Loved the video!
Really sad for techies, he's a shell of his former self now and he doesn't even have a silence anymore
He is like the most meta support in the game atm tho lol
@@Tintelinus because he is not even close to what his identity was, only 1 ability feels same now which is proximity mine.
@@Tintelinus i wouldn't call him meta unless around at minimum 3 pro players spam him in pubs
Oh techies! keep up the great work Baumster! been a fan for what feels like over a decade.
This was super entertaining. Watching it again :)
I dont play Dota but find it fascinating. Thanks for giving so much background info. Looking forward to your next videos.
Dude, another banger! (pun intended). I love these videos. I'm hooked. I'm genuinely shocked by the quality of these videos and how interesting they are. Keep up the good work! Incredible vids.
These videos are great. Keep em coming
Great video!
Great video baumi!!
I agree with sir action slacks completely
Sighhh i truly miss old techies, oh well
"Don't be sad it's gone, be happy it happened"
hey Baumi. yet again a great video from you. I would suggest adding chapters though :) anyway, keep up the good work ! :D
Consider mking this a podcast. Would definitely tune in while driving around. Anyway, Baumi, great video as always. 🤟
hey these stories are amazing! thanks
I need more of this content!
With this momentum of having cameo guests in the clip, Baumi will one day have a chat with lord Gaben. Or Icefrog. We can settle down with Icefrog
Great video
Great video man! Love it!
Great video. I needed something to watch in this game with Techies.
Another great video! Looking forward to io!
Great video keep it up 👍 😊
Verry nice and well made video!
Wow! That interview at the end was God damn amazing!
Give that man a medal!
I really enjoyed this video! I don't play DOTA so much nowadays anymore but as someone who played it with friends so often back in the day, It's nice to see how its evolved. This was very informative and you've earned yourself a new subscriber!
Great work Baumi
Yeeees i needed a channel like this
Love your video ❤
Man. I remember the early days of techies. All players were scared to jungle or stray from the lanes. And taking those last raxx was always super unnerving. Recall the whole team getting wiped sometimes especially if he had that sign posted
Another video another banger, I'm looking forward to the Jugg one, but really I can't wait for Io.
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