Minor correction - they don't require 3 components. As someone who uses a wheelchair, I use my formula v2 wheel with podium shift module and the clutch levers mapped to throttle and brake, so I don't need pedals. The included clutch levers on the mclaren wheel can be used for the same purpose. For the majority of people pedals are required, but just something to note as a great option for those of us with limited mobility :)
I went from a G29 to T300. Basically I went to T300 so I can have wheel options but it is also a wheel with better force feedback and less noisy. This probably makes more sense as an upgrade now than going for any other CSL fanatec option. A CSL elite probably won't be a huge upgrade to the T300, probably a small upgrade, while this is getting into the direct drive territory.
Thanks to you I bought the CSL Elite from a Logitech and loved it. I got the Elite and fell back in love with sim racing. I now have the CSL DD and it’s mind blowing!!! I love it. Love your clear and precise videos with no bull, drama, acting. Just good clear instruction.
I don't know if I would call the upgrade mind blowing, let's not oversell this to potential CSL Elite owners because the difference really isn't earth shattering. Peak torque is for sure greater, that I admit. But holding torque isn't that drastically different, and right now the CSL DD is incredibely buggy. Many steering wheels are incompatible still, and there are electromagnetic interference issues with the wheelbase that I highly doubt will be fixed via firmware upgrades as they are physical hardware issues. If you have an H-Pattern shifter, it's basically unusable due to EMI....
2:46 genuinely had me creasing lol. Informative and soooo helpful as always. I have a CSL elite and have done for almost 3 years. I’ve really enjoyed it on the whole however the more I enjoy sim racing, naturally the more I want to upgrade so this review is really helpful. I put an order in last week so should see it come November time. I suspect a bit like others reported with the DD1, that in time games will become better tuned to the wheel base and vice versa with firmware updates that it’ll only get even better so it’s definitely an investment!
8:04 while the logitech pedals and shifter don't work out of the box without the Logitech base, you can definitely buy adapters which make them compatible, I think this is important to bring up as you can absolutely enjoy the CSL DD and only have to buy a wheel and some adapters rather than spending more hundreds on new pedals and the same again on a new shifter. Personally I recommend the leo bodnar pedal adapter and the same for the shifter adapter, I think they're £25 ish per. The leo bodnar pedal adapter has added benefits of making the pedal travel linear and adjustable using their software.
Nice to know but still. That's already 50£ and the CSL pedals are like 80 US$. Also considering you can sell your complete logitech rig for around 100-150 you might be covered for the whole pedals + shifter package.
@@Laic27 of course it is more. What I am saying is instead of spending half the price of pedals on adaptons, sell everything old and use the money to buy the new stuff.
@@MegaIronica Okay, let's say I sell all my logitech stuff, wheel, shifter, pedals. The most I will get for them at the moment is £250, that's pushing it even. I want a shifter now, that's at least £100 if I get one of the SHH shifters (plus import fees & taxes, so let's call it £120). Now I buy the new fanatec pedals including a clutch, that's £102, plus £20 shipping, plus the £11.50 fee UPS charges, so now we're at £253. Way over what I think I could get for my entire old setup, and *vastly* outside your estimate of $100 - $150. So no, I think if upgrading to the CSL DD from logitech, get leo bodnar adapters for the £45 it's going to cost you, and you can sell them *for almost no loss* when you're finally ready to properly upgrade.
Great video mate, this is what we need a video from someone that doesn't have a dd1 or dd2 and of course this is a slight downgrade, for us Logitech or csl elite owners we need to hear from people that are in the same boat with the wheels they have. I hope to grab one of these soon and appreciate your great review. Keep up the good work mate.
@dannyleeracing okay.. let me start off with the main two bads of this experience. The template on their website is not correct. It's off, and I had to make my own template. The second bad thing is the no including of the M6 screws.. I had to grind two of them down because the DD isn't machined equally, so the outside screws that I had were longer and could have dented the case/body. Other than that.. let me just say.. Whatever TH-camr says that a direct drive won't make you faster... yea that's a lie.. just in the DD alone, I'm able to be accurate on turning beautifully on a corner.. ATM I have it on 3 NM, and I didn't get myself the boost kit. I'll bring it to 5nm next week. I want to see how much of a difference increasing the FFB will show by next week. This tech is nasty, my guy. It's definitely a must-have if you want to sim race or just sit back and run laps by yourself . Waiting on my shifter, I didn't go with Fanatec because I wanted to set myself a budget and not blow it all in one sale, lol I like to upgrade as I go, and it keeps me more attached to the Hobbie. Oh!! And as for the load cell brake.. Messed with the force in their app and got it to where I felt I could manipulate and memorize the brake pressure. 100% did it for me, I'm super confident in low pump of the brakes now and keep the cars inertia as smooth as possible It's definitely a huge game changer, lol
great review, you have a talent to come up with some really silly stuff 2:46, never laughed so much! thank's mate for perfect morning, I'm in good mood zone now!
Thank you Danny, very informative. I just ordered my Fanatec set up with the CSL dd, pedals shifter and handbrake, I have to be patient as it will not be available until mid November. However it is always good to hear that one has done something right as I too have been using a G29 for many years and finally decided to step up to DD. That coupled with my new sim rig Trak racer 180 should be a vast improvement on my previous rig. Looking forward to getting it all put together in time for the annual time trials at my house over the holidays. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
I started with G25 but broke down, bought G27 used both together for 20 years. But today I orderd a csl dd with load cell brake. Wanted it for a real long time. Now it's waiting til I wil receive the package cant wait.
I upgraded from a CSW to the CSL DD. I play mostly ACC and equally I found the improvement marginal but noticeable. I'm happy with the switch to DD, but equally bummed out by the money I lost on selling my 8 month old CSW. My advice for Logitech users, wait for the marketplace to be flooded with CSL Elite and CSWs as the DDs are delivered. You'll have nearly the same experience, for less money.
Re waiting for the market to be flooded, Logitec/Thrustmaster users will still need a Fanatec wheel, so my opinion is that CSW+Wheel bundles should still make good money. Not going to throw away money for such a small difference in performance gain over a CSW.
I got a CSW and F1 carbon wheel usef for a really good price. It is absolutely lovely... besides the DD are still sold out anyways. The previous owner told me long after he sold me his unit he didn't find a big difference comparng the DD with the CSW.
The force feedback in acc was definitely designed mainly for a dd wheel. I have a thrustmaster ts-pc (compared to fanatec, i have heard it's between the csl elite, and csw 2.5, in terms of force feedback) the ffb in acc feels ok on my wheel, but not as good as some other sims in all honesty. But with a dd, i've heard many people said that acc has one of the best, if not the best ffb system.
Yeah I have an accuforce v2 and have never understood some of the complaints about ACC force feedback. I can feel every detail down to the slight rumble of the engine. It puts a smile on my face every time I flip the ignition switch and push the start button on my button box. 😂 on a sim lab cockpit that engine rumble can be felt through the whole chassis and it’s insanely immersive. I’ve even put off getting a bass transducer setup because it’s almost like having one now.
Been using my trusty Driving force gt and thanks to this ill likely be upgrading finally to the csl dd! Used this old wheel on everything from iracing, drifting in assetto, to truck sim driving
I moved from a Thrustmaster T300 base to the CSL DD and with boostkit. I get is so much more information from the wheel and I now understand how vague the belt driven wheels were .. I have also started getting IRFFB optimized to use the CSL DD, so much more alive in iRacing.
Ok so getting ready to buy a DD wheel. I have the T300. & I like the wheel . My real only complaint is I don’t feel the tire/ ground mix. & this is the real reason I want a better wheel. Is it really a night & day experience. I only play Iracing. Thanks for any feedback
Thanks for this review! Really great and detailed review with a clear conclusion! (Too many reviews don't actually include any conclusion) Looks like I'll need to get one!
i upgraded from a g920 to a csl dd without the boost kit. And i can say that everything you said is true, it's is a game-changer. For example in f1 2021 i did a 1 second better lap than my previous best just because of the force feedback (I used g920 with fanatec lc pedals so that is clear). And simracing became something i want to do more often because i enjoy it way more.
I just upgraded to a Fanatec DD wheelbase from a Fanatec Clubsport v1 wheelbase. This means that I already have Fanatec pedals and steering wheels. I use the Fanatec Clubsport desk clamp, and it works much better than I thought it would. The CSL DD is an amazing product. Smooth... smooth... smooth, accurate, crazy detailed feedback, runs cool, etc, and for what these cost, it is the best sim racing bit of gear ever. Wow!
Finally a solid review instead of TH-camrs just trying to sell it so their affiliated links bring them money My question is, is this worth the 2x price tag from a T300rs?
I say yeah, I had the t300rs and it started to show some wear. It still worked but I noticed it would move slightly out of place and I would have to nudge it back center. Also started making more noise. I upgraded to a csl elite and like it a lot better. Would have got the csl DD if I was to upgrade from t300 now. I spent a lot of hours on the t300 and was drifting so that probably contributed to the wear. DD wheels are more reliable also.
Dang it! Thanks to reviews like these, I just dropped my order for the GT DD pro bundle with shifter and hand brake. I’ll keep the G923 for split screen with wifey (yes, she gets to drive the fanatec 😅). Gonna need to re-enforce my F-GT Lite cockpit to sustain the 8nm force feedback! So excited. Cheers!
My CSL DD 8Nm arrived today, I already had VR and rumble feedback. I was using the G29. I played previously on a friend's CSL Elite - I'd say that was more than twice the experience of the G29, I expected the CSL DD to just be better yet. But the CSL DD feels like a whole different thing, the jump is lightyears ahead of my Logitech. I could see a time where I want 25% more force, but only for immersion - it feels like all the detail & force required is there to feel the full effect of the simulation and it's blowing my mind. Even before I tuned in some settings I was a very happy customer.
Thanks for this review! I watched a couple videos about the CSL DD, but this is the one answered all my question. I use the CSL Elite and mostly drive ACC. What finally sold it, was your comment about noise. I too do not like my neighbours to be disturbed by noisy FFB in action, a reason why I had to stay away from many cool racing communities which start at times too late for noise.
I've had G27, TS-PC Racer, and currently CSL Elite. I've tried a Simucube 30nm wheel and was simply blown away by how immediately intuitive and instinctive driving is. I'm going DD1/2 as soon as I can find on this week.
Definately a huge improvement for those who come from Logitech/Thrustmaster wheel bases, also a noticeable improvement for CSL Elite users but a very small change for CSW 2.5 users.., its not worth to sell this base for half of its price having to add extra 250-300€ in order to get the CSL DD 8Nm bundle...
Glad I saw this video! A week ago, I bought a rseat rig and pre ordered the new Fanatec Gran Turismo DD premium bundle. To keep me occupied until it arrives, I bought a used G29. And…. What a disappointment. Almost started doubting if I should have gotten into sim racing. I have had a lot of fast cars, and driven a lot on the Nürburgring, and the Logitech is so not realistic. So I’m happy to hear how BIG of a treat I’m in for. Thanks!
I think you have just sold me on finally upgrading. I've had the Logitech G29 for years and prior to that, the G27. Fanatec just announced the Polyphony Digital licensed GT DD Pro setup for PS/PC and that's what I have been waiting for. A relatively affordable DD setup compatible with PS5 and PC. I love my PC sims but I also love Gran Turismo. Going to preorder the GT DD Pro premium bundle that includes the brake/clutch upgrade and the power boost upgrade. Thanks for making this video!
@@dannyleeracing No sir, I am from the states. I was curious on how the VAT and international shipping is going to work seeing as how I've never ordered internationally or from Fanatec before. Also not certain that will be applicable due to Fanatec having a US based website. Not sure if they distribute from a US location as well...
Yep, I’m the one who started with a G29 and moved up to a Fanatec CSL elite. It was such a huge step in terms of immersion. I was thinking about buying a CSL DD too, but a lot of reviews on here told me that it wasn’t a big upgrade compared to the CSL Elite. Now I just went all in and ordered a DD1, and then I’ll have a rig that doesn’t need any more upgrading!
For sure, if the gap between G29 and CSL Elite is 100% extra, the gap to the CSL DD is more like 25% extra - but for something that replaces the current lineup at the same price, that's a 'free' upgrade. I feel sorry for folks that couldn't get hold of a CSL/CSW all through the summer but now it's coming back into their court with this!
@@dannyleeracing yeah you’re right! My way of thinking was more: If I buy the CSL DD, there will always be a voice in the back of my head saying that there is still something better out there
Coming from the Clubsport base here and also running the CSL DD. Over on the fanatec reddit someone explained it quite well. The Clubsport has more holding torque and feels more like power steering, but it is a bit slower. The CSL DD has slighty less strenght, but it is far, far more direct then the clubsport, but with casual driving this is really not that noticable. Now that i've put some hours in to the CSL DD i've kept slides i would never have dreamt of holding, even in iracing.
People that are getting the absolute best transition are those that were already in the Fanatec Eco system with a Csl Elite or other belt drive unit and can move up to the crisper fidelity of the Csl DD for just the cost of the wheelbase at under $500 as they already own the pedals and have wheels which are compatible. Those still shopping for actual entry level gear at those entry level price points will not spend what it cost for the Csl DD just like they did not spend the entry cost for the original CSL Elite. Those on a tight budget looking to upgrade from the Logitech/ TM 150 class of gear should be able to find some decent prices on used belt driven Csl and Csw wheelbases over the next year or so which will still be a solid upgrade . Still will need to buy the wheel and pedals though. I did the the Logitech to Csl Elite to the 8nm Csl DD path myself and yes I can feel a lot of difference and feel the upgrade was worthwhile. I do mostly play ACC. I had also upgraded from the original Csl loadcell pedals to the v3"s a year or so ago as well. Personally I am going to keep my original Csl stuff stored away as a back up unit rather than sell it. I always like having a back up option available but in todays times with some of the lead times till products come back in stock and available having a backup seems more like a good idea than ever before. Also at this time I have no plans to buy a Playstation 5 and have unhooked and stored my PS4 away but my Csl Elite is PS compatible where my new DD is not if I were to change my mind down the road. I had stored my old Logitech away in its original box as a backup but now I will probably give someone just starting out a decent deal on the the G29 and a GT Omega wheel stand that is doing nothing but collecting dust. I feel that the DD is a good upgrade and for the average sim racer that plans to stick with sim racing the Fanatec line of gear and ecosystem is a good value and of a quality that should satisfy most casual racers. Not everyone wants to invest top tier money for the highest end stuff available to play a racing game on their PC but does want decent gear at an affordable price point. Fanatec can meet the criteria! Honestly starting from scratch this is not inexpensive gear with a 5nm dd wb at $350, wheel at $199 and cheapest non load cell pedals at another $80 you are looking at $630 plus tax and shipping and with the 8nm unit around $760 plus tax and shipping. Not to mention that most people that go to this level of wheelbase will want to add on a loadcell brake option which right now is only available with the V3 pedal option. It will be coming out for the new CSL pedals but no one knows when or its actual cost yet. Good informative video that touches on all the important aspects of doing the upgrade or those considering buying a Csl DD.
Not to mention a rig and chair to put it on. I'm absolutely not confident that a table clamp can handle 5nm, my old TMX's clamp feels like trash already and that wheel's pretty wimpy.
I recently upgraded from a G25 to CSL Elite and you're right, that is a massive jump. It's like going from 480i to 1080p. I reckon the DD would be like going to 4k, which like you say, isn't mind blowing. I kept my G25 pedals and added a Leo Bodnar cable to use them independently. Definitely looking for deals on loadcells now.
I've gone from a G920 to a CSL Elite just shy of a year ago. For the first 6-7 months, it was constant hell with wheelbase, wheel rim and pedal set glitches and game breaking firmware bugs, to the point where I had to reinstall the firmware package and drivers twice. Now that I got the bad stuff out of the way, I have to say everything else is far, far better. The Clubsport V3 pedals are a major improvement in every way. I've found myself becoming much more consistent and even improving my one lap pace with these pedals, the loadcell brakes are amazing. Also, you can say goodbye to pedal flickering, which is something that plagued my old pedals to the point where they were unusable. The wheelbase is leagues ahead with it force feedback, with the G920 you could barely feel any detail beyond a very weak simulation of holding cornering forces, but you can feel so much more with the CSL Elite.
@@samuellp1146 I'm planning to fully revamp my rig with a Simucube wheelbase and Heusinkveld pedals. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade from the CSL Elite to the CSL DD.
Great video, though I'd say: the CSL DD is probably only worth considering if you're already part of the Fanatec Ecosystem and dont have to also buy pedals, wheel, etc. If you're not using compatible Fanatec gear already, it's a full replacement and at minimum 3x more expensive, compared to Logitech. It's definitely NOT entry level gear, no matter how good it is. 1100-1400euro Fanatec setup (base+wheel, pedals, desk-clamp) vs 250-300euro Logitech setup, is out of many people's budget range... especially considering that once you go this route, you'll be more likely to spent a lot more money for a rig/gear. Not something most single-screen, ikea-chair, shakey desk users would do. I'm sure if given the chance, I'd praise it as well, as I do love racing as well, but I dont think this level of gear is worth comparing. One is good build-quality casual driving gear, the other is entry level sim-racing gear. This is like comparing a jet-fighter versus a crop-duster. They both fly and do the job they're designed for, but they're not in the same league.
@@bO0mt0wn Please show me the page where you get that setup. I'd love to see it. But please make sure it's a set with 3 pedals and H patern shifter... coz that's what Logitech offers.
I used a G29 for a decent while, thought it felt fine, till I got a CSL DD recently and it is absolutely light years ahead of the Logitech, completely transformed every single sim I tried, it's just a hundred times better in every way.
I bought the V3 pedals going from logitech and its night and day. I feel like a can acually race and not be scared being close to ppl coming into braking zones and also my consistency and lap times has improved. I now have a DD1 on order to upgrade my g29 wheel and I cant wait to feel how much of a difference it will be compared to the g29.
I upgraded from a CSW 2.5, I mainly play ACC, it's a little upgrade you can definatley feel more and it's much smoother, but the silence..... oh the silence, I love it.
great video with great info, thanks! I drive on the G29, and whilst i'm happy with it, i now crave a DD wheel. Would love to see how this performs in rally and f1
I love myself to make this step about a week ago. So much different. But I am also grateful for my previous 10+ years as a logitech user. I learnt a lot with that as well. I think fanatec is just too much for starting with. it can easily happen that at the end you think simracing is not for you and then you just throw away hundreds of dollars, while if you just keep it low cost to slowly learn what does this hobby mean and how much it would cost to get what you really need you can save a lot. Also, its worth mentioning that logitech is more than you think. I know by experience that you can get much more from a logitech wheel or pedal if you have patience and time. But a regular user wants out of the box solutions and uses logitech as it comes.
It's well worth it,I'm from csl elite and it gives you so much more feel and a complete control over the car,less spinning and track limits under control.you get more consistent lap times without trying to hard.A must buy guys,you won't regret it for a second.
complete opposite for me, is there something wrong with my wheel? I spin out of control on the easiest turns which would never happen with a controller, it even oscillates on straightways where i have to fight the wheel to keep the car straight. real cars dont behave that way. something is not right.
@Danny Lee This is an interesting video. I wish there was more insight behind the choice between the CSW 2.5 and the CSD DD w/ boost kit. Both are 8nm, so how big of a difference is there really? I understand what DD can offer, but my point is the performance gap large enough to go from a CSW 2.5 to a CSL DD. My initial thought it probably not. I suspect the better upgrade for CSW 2.5 customers would be a more powerful DD1 or comparable DD.
You will absolutely love it coming from a G29 - there's no doubt at all that it's made every minute of gameplay better, it's a vast difference especially if you've never tried out a superior wheel. I loved my G29, but I didn't know what I was missing til I'd spent far too much time with it!
I've gone for the new Playstation variant as a replacement for a G920 (the G29 xbox one) so I'm very much looking forward to the results. The nice thing is then I'm only a rim away from also having an xbox wheel so I can Direct Drive Simrace on all viable platforms for about £800. A lot but compared to historic prices not bad.
I had the same experience going from a CSW 2.5 to a direct drive wheel on ACC, seems like the high frequency stuff was getting damped out by the belt or something. Feels like a completely different game!
I have a GT Omega rig and have the same angle problem. It is my understanding that CLS DD will mount using the 20 degree mounting supplied with the ClubSport V2.5 as the holes are in the same place, (rear holes need opening by 1mm.) Could be a few ClubSport Wheelbases on eBay minus the mount? That said, you can still mount the wheelbase using one of the two mounting point options. One of my main attractions to swop is the degrees of rotation being 90-2520 in "Advanced Mode" I drive ETS2 and ATS as well as AC and ACC.
I used a fanatec once on assetto Corsa and it was a whole new world from my g29. I was able to set a record and win a trophy against hundreds of other people, I even bet the owner of that simulator company lol. It just felt so good, I could feel the tyres and the grip and feeling the car let go was so easy to recognize and save. The g29 is just the feeling of the motors and cogs and the car is already sideways before I can feel it. So I guess Logitech you have to learn to use your eyes to keep the car in check as opposed to fanatecs where you can pretty much focus on the racing line and use the feedback in your arms to keep the car in check. G29 isn't a 'bad' wheel. Its a cost effective way for most people to get into wheel sim racing. But fanatecs are just next level
upgrade from G29. gt omega prime w/ nrg 300 seat. pre-order June 8th. with V3 pedal and wrc wheel. received pedal and wheel. but, base will ship after Sep 20th. i can't wait...
When my Logitech G29 failed after 4 months I got Fanatec CSW 2.5 and I have to say that the Logitech crapping the bed so early was actually a blessing because it kept me from trudging on for months or maybe years with it. The CSW 2.5 feels so much better. Now, years later, I am considering the step to a DD wheel and I have to say based on my experiences with the 2.5 wheel that Fanatec is definitely in that conversation.
The CSW 2.5 was a fine old thing, according to folks' views the CSL DD 8nm won't be a great deal different to the CSW 2.5 so if you want an undisputed upgrade you're looking at a full fat DD, but then again your old CSW will sell to make the CSL DD a fair 'sidegrade' for not much money when the old base is sold
Nice podcast. Good review I wish u had at least mentioned thrystmaster even if just to say u haven't compared them. But really good smoth presentation you seem comfortable and enthusiastic so I subscribed.
Hi Danny I like how you have the GT3 wheel looking with the stickers I recently changed to a used CSW2.5 with that rim & the WRC one to run WRC10 & the v3 pedal which are a big step up for my T-GT set up I have kept looking at the CSL DD but could justify it atm love your videos mate very nice & easy to understand & watch & listen to.
great video man! as person who managed to use a logitech momo racing force for over 10 years upgrading to g29 didnt feel as a big improvement as only the functionality rose (more pedals, H pattern shifter and 900deg rotiation) but i got to the point where i feel that the wheel is limiting my progress in sim racing this was a very helpful review, now , when i can lash out a decent sum of money for a rig , CSL DD , and pedals, i will deffinitely get one.
So, I had a G923 for about 2 weeks and I couldn’t stand it. It was loud, clunky, loud, not really strong enough, loud and kinda cheap feeling. Oh, and it was loud. I finally decided to pull the trigger on the Fanatec GR DD Pro. I got the premium bundle, and on top of that I got the same McLaren GT3 wheel seen in the video. And I went deeper still. I decided that if I was going to get a DD, I needed to just commit. So….. I also got a sim rig and a buttkicker. I can’t wait to put everything together when it arrives because I have a feeling with my surround sound (physical and headphone) and VR, it’s gonna be an out of this world experience.
Excellent video bro. Lots of useful info and makes me want one. But i like the simplicity of a console and don't have a suitable pc. The problem is it's a big investment if you are starting from scratch. I have a PS3. So would need at least a PS4 and GTDD. Or a gaming pc and full csl kit. Same price either way. Keep up the great work.
Mine comes tomorrow I had a logitech also for 8 years now I get my fanatec clubsport xbox bundle csl dd (8nm)elite pedals and Podium Button Module and shifter I'll be ordering another wheel rim next week can't wait
In keeping with my cheap nature I was thinking about picking up a 2nd hand club sport, but people still want more than £100 and that is pushing me towards a new or pre owned DD. I already upgraded the Logitech pedals so I don't need everything. Cammus C5 is tempting, although I'm not fully convinced by them yet. C12 goes over budget.
Got curious, despite having a DD2. Its obviously no where near a DD2, however.. what shocked me? Was.. Fanatecs essentially canabilizing its DD1 market. Why? The CSL DD is basically.. the DD1, it feels better than the DD1 for some odd reason, sure, it has less peak torque, but it feels a lot more like a DD2's motor than anything else. Smooth, crisp, responsive and quite abit more feel in the upper ranges with the boost kit. So to anyone looking into the DD1, hold off.. try out the CSL DD, GT DD PRO and the Moza R9, they may deliver pretty much what you desire and then some, whilst costing significantly less. I've gotten to the point of calling the CSL DD and GT DD, basically the Mini DD2. Sure its obviously lacking in a fair number of ways compared to its big brother, but.. its almost like it takes what was the best of the DD2 and the best of the CSL Elite, so. FFB, Feel, Fidelity, Smoothness of the DD2 and the compactness of the CSL Elite. Course now, the Moza R9 honestly.. blows it out of the water, but to get a decent setup with a Moza R9 you'll need a rig, its not a desktop DD aaannnd, its about a 1000 just for the R9 and GS Wheel, not including pedals, but well worth it. So the CSL DD an GT DD, basically destroy the premium belt driven market, utterly so. Why buy a Logi or Thrustmaster, when just for a lil bit more, you could get the CSL DD, a McLaren GT3 Wheel ( Honestly the BEST Budget wheel on the market imo ) and the new CSL Pedals, that are STUPID cheap for how high quality they are and modular.. doneso deal right?
the price doesn't include tax and shipping... (correction, no VAT is included ) so its a rather huge step up up in price from a logitech G27 seeing that i have to purchase pedals aswell. and when you opened that "can or worms" it seems almost kind of wrong not to get a pair of heusinkveld...
480 Euro is including tax. In the EU, tax is included in the price. I didn’t check what shipping costs in the EU, but in the US it was $12… Total was $520. Logitechs are $300-$400, so no $500 isn’t a big step in price. Plus there’s nothing stopping you from using your Logitech pedals. Additionally, if I paid myself minimum wage for every hour i spent dealing with GHUB bullshit my Logitech products cost well over $1000 lol
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad hmmm just checked now, it it does indeed say including tax so thanks for correcting me on that one!, last i checked i could have been sure it said excluding tax... now i just need a 200-300€ stearing wheel and ill be all set ;) Joking aside, i'm extremely tempted...
I had a csl elite and pre ordered the 5nm csl dd. When I got my shipping email I then purchased the 8nm power pack to make sure I got them both as I wanted to try the lower one to see what it’s like. My first impressions was how smooth it was, you literally cannot put it into words. But strait away I noticed the lack of power. I had to jack up the strength settings in iracing for it to feel decent compared to the csl elite. To me it felt like 3/4 of the power of the elite at best. When I installed the 8nm power unit the csl dd came to life. It felt like the power had been doubled. Going from a elite to a 5nm dd is a sideways upgrade at best. All your gaining is the lack of teeth feeling and no free play in the center of the wheel while trading force feed back strength. But I would say that the 8nm csl dd feels like twice the wheel as the elite for just $150 more.
Thanks for taking the time to comment with this, that's really valuable feedback to those who see it - as I ordered it with the boost kit I didn't get the standard power supply to compare as I'd have been interested to see!
Oh mate I just ordered the $800 Ready2Race with 8nm csl elite v2 pedals and the mclaren wheel... I cant wait for it!!! I come from g29 so probably I m getting the same experience as u. So how does it feel a month later, how long did it take u to get used to it?
I wonder if part of the reason that the CSL DD shines in ACC is through the track laser scanning. The DD can accurately transmit all of those extra little track details through to you, the driver, due to its higher fidelity. Great vid btw, super helpful and informative - I've definitely got the CSL DD on my wishlist!
If I can recall, ACC has a max force feedback bandwidth of 333 Hz. This is very good for translating those track details into force feedback granularity. But ultimately, the CSL DD shines in ACC because it is capable of reproducing the full bandwidth given from ACC due to its low moment of inertia and decent torque output.
I just finished setting up my DD CSL this afternoon. I came from a Thrustmaster T300 RS and the DD CSL is a night and day difference to the good. One thing, don't bother with the 5nm base power supply. Do like Danny Lee and get the 8nm Booster upgrade.
Considering the 5nm version comes with 2 years of warranty by default, while the 8nm only comes with 1 year of warranty, really makes me question the longevity of these products.
Just ordered a csl dd with the csl elite wrc wheel as i think the wheel is sunning.feel like i can mow take my sim racing journey to that next level. I play alot of acc on a TM T248 and it’s hard to enjoy it. Hope this is as legit as you say as i can’t wait for it to turn up.
I'm upgrading from G27. To save money, I'll leave my G27 connected for the pedals and Hshifter, but I will assign the CSL DD as the steering input and leave the G27 wheel base in the corner with the pedals and Hshifter connected to it - and it's USB connected to the PC.
7:40 you can still use any 3rd party usb pedal right? (Like TLC-M) You made it sounded like the software set up procedure does not work without a full fanatec set.
Provided you're on PC where compatibility is open, you can use any standalone pedal set, and you can (as it turns out) use your logitech pedals with a leo bodnar cable to make them standalone. Sorry for the confusion!
Bought a G923 to try, love racing with a wheel, but hate the gears and the noise it makes, going to return it soon. Bought a Csl DD, McLaren Gt3 v2, and Csl Pedals, cant wait for july.
2:46 ahh I’ve tried this technique thanks gave me an additional 2 tenths
Hehhehheheh
Ayo I’m crying 🤣 that’s funny
Holy crap it's just in there with no comment.
I was very confused with this moment, is this a calibration method?
@@MattO109 its a joke
Minor correction - they don't require 3 components. As someone who uses a wheelchair, I use my formula v2 wheel with podium shift module and the clutch levers mapped to throttle and brake, so I don't need pedals. The included clutch levers on the mclaren wheel can be used for the same purpose. For the majority of people pedals are required, but just something to note as a great option for those of us with limited mobility :)
Dude this is perfect, so many people are going down this path from a G29, thank you so much for this video!
I went from a G29 to T300. Basically I went to T300 so I can have wheel options but it is also a wheel with better force feedback and less noisy.
This probably makes more sense as an upgrade now than going for any other CSL fanatec option.
A CSL elite probably won't be a huge upgrade to the T300, probably a small upgrade, while this is getting into the direct drive territory.
2:45 this is the hardest i've ever laughed at a youtube video, thank you
2:45 only real men drive like this
at first I thought the DD was loose...
@@okeeedokeee I actually just noticed he isn't actually driving it's on replay
Thanks to you I bought the CSL Elite from a Logitech and loved it. I got the Elite and fell back in love with sim racing. I now have the CSL DD and it’s mind blowing!!! I love it. Love your clear and precise videos with no bull, drama, acting. Just good clear instruction.
I don't know if I would call the upgrade mind blowing, let's not oversell this to potential CSL Elite owners because the difference really isn't earth shattering. Peak torque is for sure greater, that I admit. But holding torque isn't that drastically different, and right now the CSL DD is incredibely buggy. Many steering wheels are incompatible still, and there are electromagnetic interference issues with the wheelbase that I highly doubt will be fixed via firmware upgrades as they are physical hardware issues. If you have an H-Pattern shifter, it's basically unusable due to EMI....
2:46 genuinely had me creasing lol. Informative and soooo helpful as always. I have a CSL elite and have done for almost 3 years. I’ve really enjoyed it on the whole however the more I enjoy sim racing, naturally the more I want to upgrade so this review is really helpful. I put an order in last week so should see it come November time.
I suspect a bit like others reported with the DD1, that in time games will become better tuned to the wheel base and vice versa with firmware updates that it’ll only get even better so it’s definitely an investment!
8:04 while the logitech pedals and shifter don't work out of the box without the Logitech base, you can definitely buy adapters which make them compatible, I think this is important to bring up as you can absolutely enjoy the CSL DD and only have to buy a wheel and some adapters rather than spending more hundreds on new pedals and the same again on a new shifter. Personally I recommend the leo bodnar pedal adapter and the same for the shifter adapter, I think they're £25 ish per. The leo bodnar pedal adapter has added benefits of making the pedal travel linear and adjustable using their software.
Nice to know but still. That's already 50£ and the CSL pedals are like 80 US$. Also considering you can sell your complete logitech rig for around 100-150 you might be covered for the whole pedals + shifter package.
@@MegaIronica the only problem with that is the fact that the fanatec stuff can only arrive in November as of 9/09
@@MegaIronica You'll have to pay even more if you want a clutch compared to just some adapters.
@@Laic27 of course it is more. What I am saying is instead of spending half the price of pedals on adaptons, sell everything old and use the money to buy the new stuff.
@@MegaIronica Okay, let's say I sell all my logitech stuff, wheel, shifter, pedals. The most I will get for them at the moment is £250, that's pushing it even.
I want a shifter now, that's at least £100 if I get one of the SHH shifters (plus import fees & taxes, so let's call it £120). Now I buy the new fanatec pedals including a clutch, that's £102, plus £20 shipping, plus the £11.50 fee UPS charges, so now we're at £253. Way over what I think I could get for my entire old setup, and *vastly* outside your estimate of $100 - $150.
So no, I think if upgrading to the CSL DD from logitech, get leo bodnar adapters for the £45 it's going to cost you, and you can sell them *for almost no loss* when you're finally ready to properly upgrade.
Great video mate, this is what we need a video from someone that doesn't have a dd1 or dd2 and of course this is a slight downgrade, for us Logitech or csl elite owners we need to hear from people that are in the same boat with the wheels they have. I hope to grab one of these soon and appreciate your great review. Keep up the good work mate.
Finally someone covered sound. Thanks a lot for the review. Looks like I’ll be picking one up by the end of the year.
I'm holding off to see what Thrustmaster announces. Likely to beat this on price and lots of retailers to choose from.
@@4879daniel this aged well lol
My CSL DD and kit is on its way =) upgrading from a g920
Come back and let us know how you get on with it! You got the 5nm kit or the 8nm kit?
@dannyleeracing okay.. let me start off with the main two bads of this experience.
The template on their website is not correct. It's off, and I had to make my own template. The second bad thing is the no including of the M6 screws.. I had to grind two of them down because the DD isn't machined equally, so the outside screws that I had were longer and could have dented the case/body.
Other than that.. let me just say.. Whatever TH-camr says that a direct drive won't make you faster... yea that's a lie.. just in the DD alone, I'm able to be accurate on turning beautifully on a corner.. ATM I have it on 3 NM, and I didn't get myself the boost kit.
I'll bring it to 5nm next week. I want to see how much of a difference increasing the FFB will show by next week.
This tech is nasty, my guy. It's definitely a must-have if you want to sim race or just sit back and run laps by yourself .
Waiting on my shifter, I didn't go with Fanatec because I wanted to set myself a budget and not blow it all in one sale, lol
I like to upgrade as I go, and it keeps me more attached to the Hobbie.
Oh!! And as for the load cell brake..
Messed with the force in their app and got it to where I felt I could manipulate and memorize the brake pressure.
100% did it for me, I'm super confident in low pump of the brakes now and keep the cars inertia as smooth as possible
It's definitely a huge game changer, lol
great review, you have a talent to come up with some really silly stuff 2:46, never laughed so much! thank's mate for perfect morning, I'm in good mood zone now!
Glad to be of service man, I admit I do laugh at my own jokes
2:10 watching back after 3 years its really wholesome to hear, knowing the place with sim racing gear you are at right now
@@petke911 Thanks man, I guess I just didn't know how slippery the slope was!
@@dannyleeracing very slippery indeed
Thank you Danny, very informative. I just ordered my Fanatec set up with the CSL dd, pedals shifter and handbrake, I have to be patient as it will not be available until mid November. However it is always good to hear that one has done something right as I too have been using a G29 for many years and finally decided to step up to DD. That coupled with my new sim rig Trak racer 180 should be a vast improvement on my previous rig. Looking forward to getting it all put together in time for the annual time trials at my house over the holidays. Thanks again and keep up the good work.
I started with G25 but broke down, bought G27 used both together for 20 years. But today I orderd a csl dd with load cell brake. Wanted it for a real long time. Now it's waiting til I wil receive the package cant wait.
Have you got you wheel already ?
@@Godzilla-si3mn yes placed the order and 5 days later it arrived
I upgraded from a CSW to the CSL DD. I play mostly ACC and equally I found the improvement marginal but noticeable. I'm happy with the switch to DD, but equally bummed out by the money I lost on selling my 8 month old CSW. My advice for Logitech users, wait for the marketplace to be flooded with CSL Elite and CSWs as the DDs are delivered. You'll have nearly the same experience, for less money.
How many rotation degrees it have?
@@andreschan5601 CSW V2.5 has a max of 900. CSL DD has 90-2520 in advanced settings.
Re waiting for the market to be flooded, Logitec/Thrustmaster users will still need a Fanatec wheel, so my opinion is that CSW+Wheel bundles should still make good money. Not going to throw away money for such a small difference in performance gain over a CSW.
I got a CSW and F1 carbon wheel usef for a really good price. It is absolutely lovely... besides the DD are still sold out anyways. The previous owner told me long after he sold me his unit he didn't find a big difference comparng the DD with the CSW.
Nice video. I almost went CSL DD route. Ended up going Sigmagic Alpha Mini. It's in the mail.. currently have a Fanatec CSL elite v1.1
Excellent analogies to help us understand the difference between the CSL Elite and new DD! Nice roundup.
Completely true about more saturation of older bases showing up on the market. I picked up a CSW 2.5 for $200.
The force feedback in acc was definitely designed mainly for a dd wheel. I have a thrustmaster ts-pc (compared to fanatec, i have heard it's between the csl elite, and csw 2.5, in terms of force feedback) the ffb in acc feels ok on my wheel, but not as good as some other sims in all honesty. But with a dd, i've heard many people said that acc has one of the best, if not the best ffb system.
Yeah I have an accuforce v2 and have never understood some of the complaints about ACC force feedback. I can feel every detail down to the slight rumble of the engine. It puts a smile on my face every time I flip the ignition switch and push the start button on my button box. 😂 on a sim lab cockpit that engine rumble can be felt through the whole chassis and it’s insanely immersive. I’ve even put off getting a bass transducer setup because it’s almost like having one now.
rF2 the best, without doubt
Been using my trusty Driving force gt and thanks to this ill likely be upgrading finally to the csl dd! Used this old wheel on everything from iracing, drifting in assetto, to truck sim driving
I moved from a Thrustmaster T300 base to the CSL DD and with boostkit. I get is so much more information from the wheel and I now understand how vague the belt driven wheels were .. I have also started getting IRFFB optimized to use the CSL DD, so much more alive in iRacing.
Ok so getting ready to buy a DD wheel. I have the T300. & I like the wheel . My real only complaint is I don’t feel the tire/ ground mix. & this is the real reason I want a better wheel. Is it really a night & day experience. I only play Iracing. Thanks for any feedback
Thanks for this review! Really great and detailed review with a clear conclusion! (Too many reviews don't actually include any conclusion) Looks like I'll need to get one!
i upgraded from a g920 to a csl dd without the boost kit. And i can say that everything you said is true, it's is a game-changer. For example in f1 2021 i did a 1 second better lap than my previous best just because of the force feedback (I used g920 with fanatec lc pedals so that is clear). And simracing became something i want to do more often because i enjoy it way more.
I still use an old g27 and it's bloody awful at F1 2021🤣👏
@@M4RK_F I use the G29 and never know where the limits are, like you never know where you can go faster
@@fcblfcbasel3985 indeed. Looking forward to be able to get my hands on a fanatec DD. These g27/g29 are proper shit👏🤣
@@M4RK_F Have to spend about 800 Franks(Switzerland)😭😭
2:46 I love this moment. btw, great vid, just ordered it
Haha, I love that somehow TH-cam plays this clip when you hover over the thumbnail with the mouse on the homepage. It knows. Thanks for the comment!
You can use the logitech pedals with fanatec gear. You use a Leo Bodnar usb adapter for Logitech G25, G27, G29, G920
can you use logitech shifter with fanatec base on console?
I just upgraded to a Fanatec DD wheelbase from a Fanatec Clubsport v1 wheelbase. This means that I already have Fanatec pedals and steering wheels. I use the Fanatec Clubsport desk clamp, and it works much better than I thought it would. The CSL DD is an amazing product. Smooth... smooth... smooth, accurate, crazy detailed feedback, runs cool, etc, and for what these cost, it is the best sim racing bit of gear ever. Wow!
Finally a solid review instead of TH-camrs just trying to sell it so their affiliated links bring them money
My question is, is this worth the 2x price tag from a T300rs?
I say yeah, I had the t300rs and it started to show some wear. It still worked but I noticed it would move slightly out of place and I would have to nudge it back center. Also started making more noise.
I upgraded to a csl elite and like it a lot better. Would have got the csl DD if I was to upgrade from t300 now.
I spent a lot of hours on the t300 and was drifting so that probably contributed to the wear. DD wheels are more reliable also.
My god!! How much i want that upgrade... I own a Logitecg GT Driving Force and still enjoying ACC, can't imagine the upgrade once i'm able. Great Vid.
The shot at 2:50 of you using the fanatec DD as a wheel rim is fucking wonderful
It's actually censored in some countries, far too maverick
I upgraded from a CSL elite to the 5nm version, also a major improvement here. Better FFB, smoother, more detail and enough strength for me.
What if your poor and my logitech was a stretch to buy is it worth another stretch
You have the best review of the dd just don't know of the money is worth it to my budget and I'm on a console
@@sethlouden2529 Only works on Xbox. This is worth another stretch but you'll need a wheel and pedals too. Rather buy bread instead lol
@@sethlouden2529 No offense, but if you're poor, you shouldn't be thinking of a luxury product.
@@kalyanpm6803 or.......hear me out.........life is short.
Super informative and I got a good laugh when you were using the base as the wheel. Subscribed
Dang it! Thanks to reviews like these, I just dropped my order for the GT DD pro bundle with shifter and hand brake. I’ll keep the G923 for split screen with wifey (yes, she gets to drive the fanatec 😅). Gonna need to re-enforce my F-GT Lite cockpit to sustain the 8nm force feedback! So excited. Cheers!
This has been the video I've been looking for.
Been running a G27 for over 7 years at this point, so looking for an upgrade.
Great video, thanks.
My CSL DD 8Nm arrived today, I already had VR and rumble feedback. I was using the G29. I played previously on a friend's CSL Elite - I'd say that was more than twice the experience of the G29, I expected the CSL DD to just be better yet. But the CSL DD feels like a whole different thing, the jump is lightyears ahead of my Logitech. I could see a time where I want 25% more force, but only for immersion - it feels like all the detail & force required is there to feel the full effect of the simulation and it's blowing my mind. Even before I tuned in some settings I was a very happy customer.
Thanks for this review! I watched a couple videos about the CSL DD, but this is the one answered all my question. I use the CSL Elite and mostly drive ACC. What finally sold it, was your comment about noise. I too do not like my neighbours to be disturbed by noisy FFB in action, a reason why I had to stay away from many cool racing communities which start at times too late for noise.
I've had G27, TS-PC Racer, and currently CSL Elite. I've tried a Simucube 30nm wheel and was simply blown away by how immediately intuitive and instinctive driving is. I'm going DD1/2 as soon as I can find on this week.
Definately a huge improvement for those who come from Logitech/Thrustmaster wheel bases, also a noticeable improvement for CSL Elite users but a very small change for CSW 2.5 users.., its not worth to sell this base for half of its price having to add extra 250-300€ in order to get the CSL DD 8Nm bundle...
There is proof that other PSU's in the range of 30-50€ work to unlock 8nm.
T-GT II wasn't an enormous step up tbh
I’ve begun to depend on your videos as i begin my journey into sim racing. Thank you for. your work
Very good video.
For putting the tl;dr first alone, you deserve waaay more views :D
Can’t see any flex later in the video so must just have been me….great video by the way Danny, really like your informative style.
Glad I saw this video!
A week ago, I bought a rseat rig and pre ordered the new Fanatec Gran Turismo DD premium bundle. To keep me occupied until it arrives, I bought a used G29.
And…. What a disappointment. Almost started doubting if I should have gotten into sim racing.
I have had a lot of fast cars, and driven a lot on the Nürburgring, and the Logitech is so not realistic.
So I’m happy to hear how BIG of a treat I’m in for. Thanks!
I think you have just sold me on finally upgrading. I've had the Logitech G29 for years and prior to that, the G27. Fanatec just announced the Polyphony Digital licensed GT DD Pro setup for PS/PC and that's what I have been waiting for. A relatively affordable DD setup compatible with PS5 and PC. I love my PC sims but I also love Gran Turismo. Going to preorder the GT DD Pro premium bundle that includes the brake/clutch upgrade and the power boost upgrade. Thanks for making this video!
Are you a UK customer perchance? Just about to upload a video with important things to know about brexit shipping!
@@dannyleeracing No sir, I am from the states. I was curious on how the VAT and international shipping is going to work seeing as how I've never ordered internationally or from Fanatec before. Also not certain that will be applicable due to Fanatec having a US based website. Not sure if they distribute from a US location as well...
Yep, I’m the one who started with a G29 and moved up to a Fanatec CSL elite. It was such a huge step in terms of immersion. I was thinking about buying a CSL DD too, but a lot of reviews on here told me that it wasn’t a big upgrade compared to the CSL Elite. Now I just went all in and ordered a DD1, and then I’ll have a rig that doesn’t need any more upgrading!
For sure, if the gap between G29 and CSL Elite is 100% extra, the gap to the CSL DD is more like 25% extra - but for something that replaces the current lineup at the same price, that's a 'free' upgrade. I feel sorry for folks that couldn't get hold of a CSL/CSW all through the summer but now it's coming back into their court with this!
@@dannyleeracing yeah you’re right! My way of thinking was more: If I buy the CSL DD, there will always be a voice in the back of my head saying that there is still something better out there
@@JuynBiets but there's still something better than the dd1 if you think that way
@@trevz1048 you’re right. But for us as regular simracers it won’t get much better than the DD1.
I've upgrade from a G29 to the CSL DD and shall we say I haven't stop smiling and I'm so so pleased I took the jump
Coming from the Clubsport base here and also running the CSL DD. Over on the fanatec reddit someone explained it quite well. The Clubsport has more holding torque and feels more like power steering, but it is a bit slower. The CSL DD has slighty less strenght, but it is far, far more direct then the clubsport, but with casual driving this is really not that noticable. Now that i've put some hours in to the CSL DD i've kept slides i would never have dreamt of holding, even in iracing.
People that are getting the absolute best transition are those that were already in the Fanatec Eco system with a Csl Elite or other belt drive unit and can move up to the crisper fidelity of the Csl DD for just the cost of the wheelbase at under $500 as they already own the pedals and have wheels which are compatible.
Those still shopping for actual entry level gear at those entry level price points will not spend what it cost for the Csl DD just like they did not spend the entry cost for the original CSL Elite.
Those on a tight budget looking to upgrade from the Logitech/ TM 150 class of gear should be able to find some decent prices on used belt driven Csl and Csw wheelbases over the next year or so which will still be a solid upgrade . Still will need to buy the wheel and pedals though.
I did the the Logitech to Csl Elite to the 8nm Csl DD path myself and yes I can feel a lot of difference and feel the upgrade was worthwhile. I do mostly play ACC.
I had also upgraded from the original Csl loadcell pedals to the v3"s a year or so ago as well.
Personally I am going to keep my original Csl stuff stored away as a back up unit rather than sell it.
I always like having a back up option available but in todays times with some of the lead times till products come back in stock and available having a backup seems more like a good idea than ever before.
Also at this time I have no plans to buy a Playstation 5 and have unhooked and stored my PS4 away but my Csl Elite is PS compatible where my new DD is not if I were to change my mind down the road.
I had stored my old Logitech away in its original box as a backup but now I will probably give someone just starting out a decent deal on the the G29 and a GT Omega wheel stand that is doing nothing but collecting dust.
I feel that the DD is a good upgrade and for the average sim racer that plans to stick with sim racing the Fanatec line of gear and ecosystem is a good value and of a quality that should satisfy most casual racers.
Not everyone wants to invest top tier money for the highest end stuff available to play a racing game on their PC but does want decent gear at an affordable price point. Fanatec can meet the criteria!
Honestly starting from scratch this is not inexpensive gear with a 5nm dd wb at $350, wheel at $199 and cheapest non load cell pedals at another $80 you are looking at $630 plus tax and shipping and with the 8nm unit around $760 plus tax and shipping.
Not to mention that most people that go to this level of wheelbase will want to add on a loadcell brake option which right now is only available with the V3 pedal option. It will be coming out for the new CSL pedals but no one knows when or its actual cost yet.
Good informative video that touches on all the important aspects of doing the upgrade or those considering buying a Csl DD.
Not to mention a rig and chair to put it on. I'm absolutely not confident that a table clamp can handle 5nm, my old TMX's clamp feels like trash already and that wheel's pretty wimpy.
I recently upgraded from a G25 to CSL Elite and you're right, that is a massive jump. It's like going from 480i to 1080p. I reckon the DD would be like going to 4k, which like you say, isn't mind blowing. I kept my G25 pedals and added a Leo Bodnar cable to use them independently. Definitely looking for deals on loadcells now.
I would buy this in a second if there was a budget option for the actual wheel as well.
The wrc wheel isn't too bad right now.
@@ClvsterDvck McLaren seems better
yeah like FREE, (included)
@@mrbrittas3254 lol that won't happen, but they should have a no frills $100 wheel option
@2:46 :D
2:45 this really caught me off guard 💀😂
I've gone from a G920 to a CSL Elite just shy of a year ago. For the first 6-7 months, it was constant hell with wheelbase, wheel rim and pedal set glitches and game breaking firmware bugs, to the point where I had to reinstall the firmware package and drivers twice. Now that I got the bad stuff out of the way, I have to say everything else is far, far better. The Clubsport V3 pedals are a major improvement in every way. I've found myself becoming much more consistent and even improving my one lap pace with these pedals, the loadcell brakes are amazing. Also, you can say goodbye to pedal flickering, which is something that plagued my old pedals to the point where they were unusable. The wheelbase is leagues ahead with it force feedback, with the G920 you could barely feel any detail beyond a very weak simulation of holding cornering forces, but you can feel so much more with the CSL Elite.
will you upgrade to csl dd?
@@samuellp1146 I'm planning to fully revamp my rig with a Simucube wheelbase and Heusinkveld pedals. I don't think it's worth it to upgrade from the CSL Elite to the CSL DD.
@@EnbyMiata wow that's some serious rig (not to mention pricing), you sound like you are rebuilding from ground up. Please let me know how it goes🙏
@@EnbyMiata curious, you didn't have by any chance sell a Fanatec Clubsport Universal Hub V2 With Quick Release?
Great video, though I'd say: the CSL DD is probably only worth considering if you're already part of the Fanatec Ecosystem and dont have to also buy pedals, wheel, etc. If you're not using compatible Fanatec gear already, it's a full replacement and at minimum 3x more expensive, compared to Logitech. It's definitely NOT entry level gear, no matter how good it is.
1100-1400euro Fanatec setup (base+wheel, pedals, desk-clamp) vs 250-300euro Logitech setup, is out of many people's budget range... especially considering that once you go this route, you'll be more likely to spent a lot more money for a rig/gear. Not something most single-screen, ikea-chair, shakey desk users would do.
I'm sure if given the chance, I'd praise it as well, as I do love racing as well, but I dont think this level of gear is worth comparing. One is good build-quality casual driving gear, the other is entry level sim-racing gear. This is like comparing a jet-fighter versus a crop-duster. They both fly and do the job they're designed for, but they're not in the same league.
u can get a full csl dd setup for around 620€ just saying. still not cheap but not close to 1100-1400 € >.
@@bO0mt0wn Please show me the page where you get that setup. I'd love to see it. But please make sure it's a set with 3 pedals and H patern shifter... coz that's what Logitech offers.
T300 is the best middle ground, almost as good as DD
Got my rig and been using g29 from start as fanatec been sold out for months, ordered my fanatec yesterday with nm boost . Can't wait to try
dropping a like for a nice review, when i get my dd i’ll be coming here for the link to support. great video
Cheers man, thanks for dropping by! Appreciate you taking a sec to pocket the link, it really does make a big impact.
This is the type of review I was looking for!!! Awesome I’m gonna sub!
Awesome, thank you! Cheers for the kind comment
awesome video, im upgrading from a g920 to your same setup, sadly I waited too long to order so I gotta wait until November. still very excited thou
I used a G29 for a decent while, thought it felt fine, till I got a CSL DD recently and it is absolutely light years ahead of the Logitech, completely transformed every single sim I tried, it's just a hundred times better in every way.
I bought the V3 pedals going from logitech and its night and day. I feel like a can acually race and not be scared being close to ppl coming into braking zones and also my consistency and lap times has improved. I now have a DD1 on order to upgrade my g29 wheel and I cant wait to feel how much of a difference it will be compared to the g29.
I did the same thing. I'd read they sucked but I didn't realize just how bad the g29 pedals were until I felt the v3.
so how is the DD1? It’s been 1 month lol
@@vinivarella8508 I canceled the order of the dd1 and got the simucube 2 pro instead and its awesome
I purchased the GT DD Pro which is virtually the same as the CSL DD. Coming from the g923, Im so excited!!
Just ordered mine last weekend and can't wait as upgrading from a g29
It's been a great review. sincere and enlightening. thanks.
I upgraded from a CSW 2.5, I mainly play ACC, it's a little upgrade you can definatley feel more and it's much smoother, but the silence..... oh the silence, I love it.
Amazing video! Thanks for the hard work.
great video with great info, thanks! I drive on the G29, and whilst i'm happy with it, i now crave a DD wheel. Would love to see how this performs in rally and f1
I love myself to make this step about a week ago. So much different. But I am also grateful for my previous 10+ years as a logitech user. I learnt a lot with that as well. I think fanatec is just too much for starting with. it can easily happen that at the end you think simracing is not for you and then you just throw away hundreds of dollars, while if you just keep it low cost to slowly learn what does this hobby mean and how much it would cost to get what you really need you can save a lot.
Also, its worth mentioning that logitech is more than you think. I know by experience that you can get much more from a logitech wheel or pedal if you have patience and time. But a regular user wants out of the box solutions and uses logitech as it comes.
Just took the plunge and bought a CSL DD with the CSL Formula v2.5 wheel. Had a G29 for years so cannot wait to see what DD is finally like.
Exactly the same setup and just ordered Mine today
How long did it take you to get your wheel I just ordered a DD bundle and was wondering how long shipping took
@@dirtysouthracingnetwork8830 It took around 2 months in total. Totally worth the wait though - it's incredible.
It's well worth it,I'm from csl elite and it gives you so much more feel and a complete control over the car,less spinning and track limits under control.you get more consistent lap times without trying to hard.A must buy guys,you won't regret it for a second.
control.you
complete opposite for me, is there something wrong with my wheel? I spin out of control on the easiest turns which would never happen with a controller, it even oscillates on straightways where i have to fight the wheel to keep the car straight. real cars dont behave that way. something is not right.
Little late but hey ...
How does it feel from 6nm to 5nm or you buy the 8nm kit?
8nm 2years later
@Danny Lee This is an interesting video. I wish there was more insight behind the choice between the CSW 2.5 and the CSD DD w/ boost kit. Both are 8nm, so how big of a difference is there really? I understand what DD can offer, but my point is the performance gap large enough to go from a CSW 2.5 to a CSL DD. My initial thought it probably not. I suspect the better upgrade for CSW 2.5 customers would be a more powerful DD1 or comparable DD.
Perfect! Think you’ve made my decision to go from g29
great vid man. im jumping from t300 to the dd pro. have to wait over 3mths tho, and my t300 servo jus packed in.
Cheers man! Ah mate that's bad/good timing...
Can confirm, it was a massive step up and now i gotta get a new rig that does it justice. Just a matter of when not if as you said.....
Most informative, been wondering about how much difference from my g29 set up ,Cheers mate excellent 👍
You will absolutely love it coming from a G29 - there's no doubt at all that it's made every minute of gameplay better, it's a vast difference especially if you've never tried out a superior wheel. I loved my G29, but I didn't know what I was missing til I'd spent far too much time with it!
I've gone for the new Playstation variant as a replacement for a G920 (the G29 xbox one) so I'm very much looking forward to the results. The nice thing is then I'm only a rim away from also having an xbox wheel so I can Direct Drive Simrace on all viable platforms for about £800. A lot but compared to historic prices not bad.
I had the same experience going from a CSW 2.5 to a direct drive wheel on ACC, seems like the high frequency stuff was getting damped out by the belt or something. Feels like a completely different game!
Really? I’ll need to upgrade from my csl elite
making the jump from t300rs to csl dd.. can't wait to see the improvements and differences 😛😛
How was it?
I have a GT Omega rig and have the same angle problem. It is my understanding that CLS DD will mount using the 20 degree mounting supplied with the ClubSport V2.5 as the holes are in the same place, (rear holes need opening by 1mm.) Could be a few ClubSport Wheelbases on eBay minus the mount? That said, you can still mount the wheelbase using one of the two mounting point options. One of my main attractions to swop is the degrees of rotation being 90-2520 in "Advanced Mode" I drive ETS2 and ATS as well as AC and ACC.
I used a fanatec once on assetto Corsa and it was a whole new world from my g29. I was able to set a record and win a trophy against hundreds of other people, I even bet the owner of that simulator company lol. It just felt so good, I could feel the tyres and the grip and feeling the car let go was so easy to recognize and save. The g29 is just the feeling of the motors and cogs and the car is already sideways before I can feel it.
So I guess Logitech you have to learn to use your eyes to keep the car in check as opposed to fanatecs where you can pretty much focus on the racing line and use the feedback in your arms to keep the car in check. G29 isn't a 'bad' wheel. Its a cost effective way for most people to get into wheel sim racing. But fanatecs are just next level
upgrade from G29.
gt omega prime w/ nrg 300 seat.
pre-order June 8th. with V3 pedal and wrc wheel.
received pedal and wheel. but, base will ship after Sep 20th.
i can't wait...
When my Logitech G29 failed after 4 months I got Fanatec CSW 2.5 and I have to say that the Logitech crapping the bed so early was actually a blessing because it kept me from trudging on for months or maybe years with it. The CSW 2.5 feels so much better. Now, years later, I am considering the step to a DD wheel and I have to say based on my experiences with the 2.5 wheel that Fanatec is definitely in that conversation.
The CSW 2.5 was a fine old thing, according to folks' views the CSL DD 8nm won't be a great deal different to the CSW 2.5 so if you want an undisputed upgrade you're looking at a full fat DD, but then again your old CSW will sell to make the CSL DD a fair 'sidegrade' for not much money when the old base is sold
Nice podcast. Good review I wish u had at least mentioned thrystmaster even if just to say u haven't compared them. But really good smoth presentation you seem comfortable and enthusiastic so I subscribed.
Hi Danny I like how you have the GT3 wheel looking with the stickers I recently changed to a used CSW2.5 with that rim & the WRC one to run WRC10 & the v3 pedal which are a big step up for my T-GT set up I have kept looking at the CSL DD but could justify it atm love your videos mate very nice & easy to understand & watch & listen to.
I have the Leo Bodner cable for my G29 pedals, so I assume I can still use them with the CSL DD. Is this true?
Yeah you're good bro :)
great video man! as person who managed to use a logitech momo racing force for over 10 years upgrading to g29 didnt feel as a big improvement as only the functionality rose (more pedals, H pattern shifter and 900deg rotiation) but i got to the point where i feel that the wheel is limiting my progress in sim racing this was a very helpful review, now , when i can lash out a decent sum of money for a rig , CSL DD , and pedals, i will deffinitely get one.
Cheers mate, when that day comes you'll be over the moon, it's simply another world. Oh BOY, the Momo wheel. Memorieeeees!
we are in totally same situation now. I have 2 momo and never used another wheel system. I am looking to buy ts xw or dd
@@lothiradien7641 I'd say go for DD man!
So, I had a G923 for about 2 weeks and I couldn’t stand it.
It was loud, clunky, loud, not really strong enough, loud and kinda cheap feeling. Oh, and it was loud.
I finally decided to pull the trigger on the Fanatec GR DD Pro. I got the premium bundle, and on top of that I got the same McLaren GT3 wheel seen in the video.
And I went deeper still. I decided that if I was going to get a DD, I needed to just commit. So…..
I also got a sim rig and a buttkicker.
I can’t wait to put everything together when it arrives because I have a feeling with my surround sound (physical and headphone) and VR, it’s gonna be an out of this world experience.
Pretty much what I wanted to hear, Thanks.
Excellent video bro. Lots of useful info and makes me want one. But i like the simplicity of a console and don't have a suitable pc. The problem is it's a big investment if you are starting from scratch. I have a PS3. So would need at least a PS4 and GTDD. Or a gaming pc and full csl kit. Same price either way.
Keep up the great work.
Mine comes tomorrow I had a logitech also for 8 years now I get my fanatec clubsport xbox bundle csl dd (8nm)elite pedals and Podium Button Module and shifter I'll be ordering another wheel rim next week can't wait
Excellent review.
In keeping with my cheap nature I was thinking about picking up a 2nd hand club sport, but people still want more than £100 and that is pushing me towards a new or pre owned DD. I already upgraded the Logitech pedals so I don't need everything. Cammus C5 is tempting, although I'm not fully convinced by them yet. C12 goes over budget.
Got curious, despite having a DD2.
Its obviously no where near a DD2, however.. what shocked me? Was.. Fanatecs essentially canabilizing its DD1 market. Why?
The CSL DD is basically.. the DD1, it feels better than the DD1 for some odd reason, sure, it has less peak torque, but it feels a lot more like a DD2's motor than anything else.
Smooth, crisp, responsive and quite abit more feel in the upper ranges with the boost kit.
So to anyone looking into the DD1, hold off.. try out the CSL DD, GT DD PRO and the Moza R9, they may deliver pretty much what you desire and then some, whilst costing significantly less.
I've gotten to the point of calling the CSL DD and GT DD, basically the Mini DD2. Sure its obviously lacking in a fair number of ways compared to its big brother, but.. its almost like it takes what was the best of the DD2 and the best of the CSL Elite, so. FFB, Feel, Fidelity, Smoothness of the DD2 and the compactness of the CSL Elite.
Course now, the Moza R9 honestly.. blows it out of the water, but to get a decent setup with a Moza R9 you'll need a rig, its not a desktop DD aaannnd, its about a 1000 just for the R9 and GS Wheel, not including pedals, but well worth it.
So the CSL DD an GT DD, basically destroy the premium belt driven market, utterly so. Why buy a Logi or Thrustmaster, when just for a lil bit more, you could get the CSL DD, a McLaren GT3 Wheel ( Honestly the BEST Budget wheel on the market imo ) and the new CSL Pedals, that are STUPID cheap for how high quality they are and modular.. doneso deal right?
the price doesn't include tax and shipping... (correction, no VAT is included ) so its a rather huge step up up in price from a logitech G27 seeing that i have to purchase pedals aswell. and when you opened that "can or worms" it seems almost kind of wrong not to get a pair of heusinkveld...
480 Euro is including tax. In the EU, tax is included in the price.
I didn’t check what shipping costs in the EU, but in the US it was $12… Total was $520.
Logitechs are $300-$400, so no $500 isn’t a big step in price. Plus there’s nothing stopping you from using your Logitech pedals.
Additionally, if I paid myself minimum wage for every hour i spent dealing with GHUB bullshit my Logitech products cost well over $1000 lol
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad wait... you can use logitec pedals with DD?
@@TheOfficialOriginalChad hmmm just checked now, it it does indeed say including tax so thanks for correcting me on that one!, last i checked i could have been sure it said excluding tax...
now i just need a 200-300€ stearing wheel and ill be all set ;)
Joking aside, i'm extremely tempted...
@@adhominem_ Yes and no. If you have multiple USB ports free you can leave you Logitech plugged in.
I had a csl elite and pre ordered the 5nm csl dd. When I got my shipping email I then purchased the 8nm power pack to make sure I got them both as I wanted to try the lower one to see what it’s like. My first impressions was how smooth it was, you literally cannot put it into words. But strait away I noticed the lack of power. I had to jack up the strength settings in iracing for it to feel decent compared to the csl elite. To me it felt like 3/4 of the power of the elite at best. When I installed the 8nm power unit the csl dd came to life. It felt like the power had been doubled. Going from a elite to a 5nm dd is a sideways upgrade at best. All your gaining is the lack of teeth feeling and no free play in the center of the wheel while trading force feed back strength. But I would say that the 8nm csl dd feels like twice the wheel as the elite for just $150 more.
Thanks for taking the time to comment with this, that's really valuable feedback to those who see it - as I ordered it with the boost kit I didn't get the standard power supply to compare as I'd have been interested to see!
Just ordered the $400 Ready2Race bundle and I can't wait for it to come in! Currently using a G920 so it's going to be a massive upgrade.
Oh mate I just ordered the $800 Ready2Race with 8nm csl elite v2 pedals and the mclaren wheel...
I cant wait for it!!!
I come from g29 so probably I m getting the same experience as u.
So how does it feel a month later, how long did it take u to get used to it?
I am just about to do the same? How is it?? I think Im gonna get the WRC wheel for looks
I wonder if part of the reason that the CSL DD shines in ACC is through the track laser scanning. The DD can accurately transmit all of those extra little track details through to you, the driver, due to its higher fidelity. Great vid btw, super helpful and informative - I've definitely got the CSL DD on my wishlist!
If I can recall, ACC has a max force feedback bandwidth of 333 Hz. This is very good for translating those track details into force feedback granularity. But ultimately, the CSL DD shines in ACC because it is capable of reproducing the full bandwidth given from ACC due to its low moment of inertia and decent torque output.
@@vinny9152 Ah very cool, very cool! Thanks
@Vinny Science, yo
If this were the case, iRacing would shine too as the tracks are laser scanned as well
@@syLLyTime Ah - I have zero knowledge of iRacing haha so I was unaware
I just finished setting up my DD CSL this afternoon. I came from a Thrustmaster T300 RS and the DD CSL is a night and day difference to the good. One thing, don't bother with the 5nm base power supply. Do like Danny Lee and get the 8nm Booster upgrade.
Considering the 5nm version comes with 2 years of warranty by default, while the 8nm only comes with 1 year of warranty, really makes me question the longevity of these products.
Just ordered a csl dd with the csl elite wrc wheel as i think the wheel is sunning.feel like i can mow take my sim racing journey to that next level. I play alot of acc on a TM T248 and it’s hard to enjoy it. Hope this is as legit as you say as i can’t wait for it to turn up.
I'm upgrading from G27. To save money, I'll leave my G27 connected for the pedals and Hshifter, but I will assign the CSL DD as the steering input and leave the G27 wheel base in the corner with the pedals and Hshifter connected to it - and it's USB connected to the PC.
2:44 What the bloody ell’s going on ‘ere then! 🤣🤣🤣
7:40 you can still use any 3rd party usb pedal right? (Like TLC-M) You made it sounded like the software set up procedure does not work without a full fanatec set.
Provided you're on PC where compatibility is open, you can use any standalone pedal set, and you can (as it turns out) use your logitech pedals with a leo bodnar cable to make them standalone. Sorry for the confusion!
Bought a G923 to try, love racing with a wheel, but hate the gears and the noise it makes, going to return it soon.
Bought a Csl DD, McLaren Gt3 v2, and Csl Pedals, cant wait for july.