Livesplaining: Did the Pope Change Catholic Teaching on Same-Sex Marriage? + Q&A
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- On the next episode of Livesplaining, we delve into what Pope Francis has recently stated regarding same-sex unions. Are priests now able to authorize blessings for same-sex couples?
Join Fr. Bonaventure & Fr. Patrick tonight at 7pm EST as we explore this weighty subject through the lens of Catholic teaching and tradition, along with a Q&A session where they answer YOUR questions!
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Does the blessing end with “Go and sin no more”?
Yes, it can. It is to be spontaneous, private, and not open to scandal, so our holy priests can most certainly take the opportunity to evangelize to his heart's content!
I think FS is a great document, because it limits those informal blessings to keep them from sneaking into the Churches, like the German Synodal Way is pushing for!
When were homosexuals or anyone denied general blessings in the church? The way is presented now is that homosexuals as a couple can ask a priest for a blessing as a couple. Would they really have intentions for change if they present themselves as a couple to a priest. What if a married man or woman present themselves with their concubine for a blessing, would that be logical?
Yes, question remains, where does ” it”
Stops
Thank you, Fathers! God bless you and our holy Catholic Church.
They know where to get a blessing and conversion--"Bless me, Father, for I have sinned.
True. If anyone wants the best blessing from Christ through His priests they can receive it in Confession. It's guaranteed, with certitude, infallibly defined by the Church, backed by the words of Christ Himself.
This document is unclear enough to be used as approval for those who choose to live in an unnatural relationship.
Exactly!! I wish all priests would simply stop with the explaining and clarifying and JUST SAY THAT MUCH!!
But people need the Grace of God to be able to approach the sacraments, so that they may receive Grace
It's so clear that they continue to clarify the declaration. The African bishops understand how this decleration can cause scandals.
As a lifelong Catholic, this is going to create more confusion, more nonsense that the church did not need
See, i have been a life-long Protestant, and this all makes me say, "let me in!!"... We can trade spots if you wanna... In all honesty, a hot swap like that'd make things easier in MY life, fwiw... Can it work that way? 🤭🤣
@@b8akaratn i'm not going anywhere. Yes you are welcome.
@@tomgjokaj 😅 Nice - whew! Time befuddles me, made me 1hr l8 for Mass not too long ago ... What gives?!? 🤣
As the Fr said this is for the Germans to put them in their place and making very clear that the Holy Sacrament of Marriage is NOT changing EVER.
@@b8akaratnWhat aspect of this document makes you want to join the Catholic Faith?
This is a generous interpretation of the document. I confess that I still have yet to read it, but I will do so. My concern is that it sounds very casuistic and therefore will be confusing and will allow for squishiness in the actual practice.
Marilyn. I read the document yesterday. It twists and distorts Catholic teaching. No where does it talk about repentance from the sin that "cries out to Heaven for vengeance."
@@marccrotty8447 Thank you for that clarification. That is my concern.
@@marilynmelzian7370 It is very strict, conservatives should be rejoicing that this document makes it crystal clear that blessing of gay unions is impossible, and that gay marriage is impossible. It makes no provisions. Read more carefully.
@@marccrotty8447 you need some remediable reading classes then.
@@marccrotty8447 Talk rubbish. It does not and stop pretending it does.
Late to the party, but I'm so glad you guys covered this (I expected you to do it a bit later though)
Thank you for your clarification.
The people trying to change the Church are Protesting the Church, not changing the teachings, Truth does not Change.
Changing practice can sometimes be as bad as changing doctrine. That’s what’s going on here.
Thank you very much for taking the time to review the declaration and discuss its meaning.
The suggestion to think of the declaration in reference to the recent situation in Germany was quite helpful.
Thank you fathers. I love you and Trust you. This is one of a very small safe places to go to whenever there are big scandals. Keep doing what you do. You guys are exactly what the world needs.
The Church needs warriors, not milk toast sophists.
@@stevedoetsch bro go somewhere else with that. If you need some schizzy sede rad dad to tell you the church is on fire go see taylor marshall or church militant. The reason prudent people come to Godsplaining is because virtue is in the middle.
Do you think the German bishops will behave now that everything is so "clear?"
I tremble to think how the German bishops will now be unleashed and weild the "spirit of this document" with impunity.
Lord Jesus, please give us bishops and priests who have the hearts of a true father.
Why do you tremble in fear despite God's clear direction to fear not!?
@@peaceandjoy2568 Lord give us Priests and Bishops that do not fear the Gospels and aren't Pharisees
I think it is a work in progress. The German bishops have to go to Rome 3 times next year to meet with the pope and the Curia.
Dear@@peaceandjoy2568, I see you wrote this before Cardinal Fernandez announced that he is making a trip to Germany soon for "important" meetings. Also that all the German bishops are required to come to Rome for "conversion and deepening." Those who cling to the German Synodal Way will probably be "retired" as soon as the Vatican is sure they will not repent.
Who is the source of all confusion? Which papacy has been rife with confusion for virtually its entirety? I bet a Dominican can figure out the point I’m making.
I feel sorry for LGBTQ...and not judging but sin is sin. When a disordered couple can go get married then head to the priest acting as the representative of Christ for a blessing, there is something wrong here. This isnt saving souls, its blessing sin.
The document specifically forbids the scenario you give. "... this blessing should never be imparted in concurrence with the ceremonies of a civil union, and not even in connection with them. Nor can it be performed with any clothing, gestures, or words that are proper to a wedding..."
@@FrJohnBrownSJ what if they dont disclose the marriage or whatever they want to call the relationship? I get the priest is only blessing the individuals but they are still living and celebrating a sexually disordered sinfull life. Would Jesus tell them to repent and beg for mercy or heres a blessing now go celebrate?
@@FrJohnBrownSJ This document is an attack on marriage and the family. This is the final attack of the evil one
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Then what sort of blessing are they expecting to receive? A blessing to affirm their sinful relationship or a blessing of instruction to repent and turn away from that sin???
What is the purpose for the permission of Priests to 'Bless' same sex couples? What exactly is that 'Blessing' that is administered to them if they have no interest whatsoever in repenting for the sin of Homosexuality and continue to remain as a 'Same Sex Couple'
Jesus told us to love & pray for our enemies & to bless people by praying for their salvation. This applies to every Christian, not just Priests to bless anyone.
This new permission is a contradiction & a violation of the Scriptures!
Let's cut out all the wishy washy semantics on what blessing means. The greatest blessing you can bestow on a person is to pray for their repentance and salvation. So, whether or not it's an unmarried heterosexual or homosexual couple, what sort of blessing is a Priest to bestow on them besides calling them in of course a loving manner, to turn away from their sin and put their faith and trust in Christ?
This is nothing more than a wishy washy step towards the inevitable!
@@FrJohnBrownSJ You are grasping at straws, Father.
Where on Holy See website would the document be under? Thank you and God bless for the video.🙏
Merry Christmas
press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html
Vatican website > Roman Curia > Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith > Documents > Declaration Fiducia Supplicans
@@tummelplatz763 thank you
press.vatican.va/content/salastampa/it/bollettino/pubblico/2023/12/18/0901/01963.html#en
Any blessing will be seen as approval of the situation. Another Peronist statement from #266.
I’m positive you did not read the document? Nor do you understand what the magisterium is
Even though the document states multiple times that that must not be the case?
"Recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help-do not claim a legitimation of their own status..."
"How often, through a pastor’s simple blessing, which does not claim to sanction or legitimize anything..."
“when one asks for a blessing, one is expressing a petition for God’s assistance, a plea to live better, and confidence in a Father who can help us live better.”
Seriously, if you struggle with any sin and ask a priest to bless you because you need God's help to overcome that sin, that somehow means the blessing is aproval of that sin? How does this work?
By calling two people engaged in illicit sexual activity "a couple", and to Bless that Couple, is to Bless the Union. The couple is couple in that Union. So tu say the Church Cannot bless the Union, but Can bless the Couple makes no sense.
In order to provide Mercy and Loving Kindness, the Church can offer Prayer, Education, Guidance, but Blessing a Couple IS blessing the Union, because the fact of that union is what makes them a couple.
Beautifully stated.
The language of the document is "tricky" on purpose.
There are ambiguities in the document, as well as in diocesan messaging. In my diocese, "same-sex couples" has been extended to "LGBTQ+ couples."
Instead of clarifying, the pope has made it murky. Im upset.
It’s very clarifying. As the Fr said this is for the Germans to put them in their place and making very clear that the Holy Sacrament of Marriage is NOT changing EVER.
What about baptizing children of same sex or trans? How can they possibly be raised in the faith?
What's great about your question here is that... when a baby is baptized, the sex may be obvious while the gender is not. Gender is a fluid construct that comes from society to then dictate to society how it should be, and "how I should be" is clearly something an infant can't discern. ...this is just me trying to say how your question actually provides an answer to a different question 😊
Cutting to the chase - the church can now bless mortal sin.
Funny since the document states the opposite. Actually read it.
@@dan_m7774exactly. The document reaffirms the church's view that marriage is between one male and one female.
III.31 "Within the horizon outlined here appears the possibility of blessings for couples in irregular situations and for couples of the same sex, the form of which should not be fixed ritually by ecclesial authorities to avoid producing confusion with the blessing proper to the Sacrament of Marriage."
So Bergoglio's blessing is just virtue signaling like putting gay pride signs in your yard. At best, such a "blessing" signifies nothing.
Blessing those living in mortal sin without firm purpose of amendment to repent and follow Christ.
Has the Rock become quicksand ?
If you’re playing down the monumental significance of what Pope did, it’s not working. “Blessing “is not “spontaneous “, it’s a significant sign of approval of moment in life ! If I’m asked for a blessing of my daughter’s relationship with a man, do I do it spontaneously ? Are you kidding me ?! So disappointed that you avoiding the truth.
Why did the declaration come out days before Christmas a time of joy ,peace and unity. It divided the Catholic Church almost in three peaces . Many were hurt .
You can not bless sinful couple's relationships living in sin.
This is what SATAN'S wants NOT GOD.
NEXT COUPLES NOT MARRIED IN THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LIVING IN SIN WILL WANT TO HAVE BLESSING INSTEAD OF GETTING MARRIED.
SORRY THIS IS SATANIC NOT GOD'S LAW.
Yes, this follows one line of the reading of this document. Yet, it is clearly a document of confusion. That two Dominicans are giving this point of view is understandable. But, it is not a really orthodox reading.... Is it? Basically, doesn't this tear against the fabric of Church?
To all of the Catholics/protestants watching this knowing that this was a terrible decision not in line with true Catholic teaching, please look into the Orthodox Church! There you will find the truth! ☦️
Nope
to Tyler Mancuso, church and state groups as procreation gift roles are helpers of families in their identity-roles whose members comprise church and state groups in covenant, non-presumed reciprocity or inseparability and qualitative equality.
You can't bless sin. A blessing is an affirmation of behavior
Exactly! That is the position Pope Francis takes.
Orwellian double speak. Let your yes be yes
@@publican168so I take it you wouldn't accept a blessing since you,like us all are a sinner? Are blessings only for straight sinners?
Yeah, well I suppose one can put a positive twist on most anything, I mean, Mussolini ensured that the trains ran on time. But this is the same path as the Anglicans walked and how did that work out? Not on paper, in real life; not well! Skip the song and dance routine on "discovering" things we did not know were there. Blessings are liturgical when they are relational and all blessings that are relational are given from God the Father to us through the Son, Christ Jesus. God does not bless sin, period.
I really appreciate you tackling this topic in a timely fashion and doing so respectfully. I certainly don't need anymore doomsayers telling me the world is ending. Is this my favorite pope? Not really, but I trust God to lead his Church in good times and in bad.
Maybe stay off the internet for a while if everything you read just confirms in your own mind that the world is ending?
This is the source of many confusing comments and opposing views on Pope Francis' most recent Declaration on same sex blessings. To me, as a Catholic and a clergy member, there shouldn't be any confusion. It is a well understood view of His Holiness and was a question and many criticisms before October 2023 Synod where there was "no" mention of this issue in the Final Report which means, the teaching of the Catholic Church was not discussed at the 4 week Synod.
I am so confused with members of the clergy in the US for keeping on misleading what the declaration really means. It is a self-explanatory Declaration and very SIMPLE. We, priests are allowed to bless those who come to you known to you as a same sex person, and you should offer the blessing as a sinner who despite his or her sin, needs God as help in its life. But doing it as a blessing of the sinful union that seems to contradict with the Sacrament of Matrimony, it shouldn't be done.... full stop. The marriage between a man and a woman still remains unchanged. SIMPLE AS THAT... I realize that a lot of those opposing people belong to old trad and are not happy with the current Pope. SAD SAD SAD.
Where is the document about blessings for fornicators ?
There is a large book titled Book Of Blessings and the Declaration does not have a text to be added.
How about suggesting Confession which has at the end .. a blessing
The current Pope isn't even Catholic. That's OK with you, Father?
It is very simple. It says priests can bless the intrinsically sinful couple
I question that this "muli" is a Catholic Priest. He is way off.
Thanks again for addressing the issue, and quickly. You guys are so excellent and deeply appreciated.
How is this issue addressed by whitewashing and playing down ? How do you not see the push towards the cliff with this approval ? What else in traditional Catholic teachings about unity of one man and one woman is debatable for you ? Maybe two man and one woman should be blessed? Maybe mistress should be blessed? Relationships with your first cousin should be blessed? … where the “crack”in Catholic teachings stops in your opinion?
@gilbubelis3958 just glad they spoke up soon and did not wait to see what others said. You are correct in every point. This is extremely troubling. Fr Line spoke up a day later and was a bit more cautious about the impending misuse of this Crack in the barrier.
The beginning premise of these fathers states, "individuals" and "person" while utterly ignoring this is a blessing for "couples"! What is the route and meaning of couple.
As always the problem is the open door and can of worms being forwarded by yes men
How easy will it be to disregard your so-called "guardrails." And what is the penalty for its disregard? Who will enforce the guardrails? They are already being disregarded.
Irregular situation indeed!!
Thank you Frs. Yes- German synod- STOP BOTHERING US. What you want is NOT going to happen. It’s really for them.
Really ? Why are the Germans so ecstatic over this document then ?
Why is Fr James Martin overjoyed ? This document elevates and blesses homosexual relationships in the Church. They know it.
Perhaps. Then this should have been a missive addressed to them, not this giant Crack in the simple Law.
It's a very dark day... This is a huge damage within the catholic church... This is how sin enters into the church... This is how Satan enters into the church
As the Fr said this is for the Germans to put them in their place and making very clear that the Holy Sacrament of Marriage is NOT changing EVER.
Yeah, achtung what @paix1234 said. It's just a teeny tiny incremental step... with ginormous shoes... Nothing to really worry about unless yr in Germany!
So, fathers, is there then a moral gulf between sacraments, sacramentals, and this new blessing?
What "new blessing"? FS puts limits on the 2 kinds of blessings it talks about: "Liturgical blessings" cannot be used for blessing any union but that of a traditional marriage. "Informal blessings" cannot be used in any way BUT private, spontaneous, not causeing scandal. (Fr. James Martin's publicity stunt was clearly forbidden in FS.)
To be honest, I still don't understand the document. It seems to me to say "we can't permit it, and we can't and won't change [thank God] the doctrine on marriage and licit sexual relations, so here's a way to 'kind of bless' same sex unions but it's not really 'the real-real' blessing' [pastoral blessing vs. liturgical and ritualized blessing]."
My question is:
What is actually the _PASTORAL_ blessing?
For when I go to, say,a sacristy to ask for additional blessing (such as asking to bless the rosary or a medal, or sometimes I came asking for a blessing regarding specific circumstances), the priest puts on his stole and then blesses. Sometimes uses the text from the book. Isn't it liturgical by definition then, since putting the stole? He's blessing not as a private person, but in his office as a priest, to me it's extension of a liturgical action, and its not his "private authority" but the power of his priestly office, of his ordination. If he weren't a priest, he wouldn't really have the power/authority to bless me, in the sense of imparting the Gods grace in that particular specific way, would he? How can then the blessing be only "pastoral" but not "liturgical"? Would the priest then bless not as a priest (i.e. imparting the God's blessings by the authority of his office), but in some other way? I'm not overly well versed in theological/doctrinal intricacies, so I don't get it.🤷♀️
Please stop trying to pretend this is about blessing individuals. The document mentions the word couples eight times and it talks about being careful not to make the blessing look like a wedding. It is certain that this is talking about a couple being blessed at the same time. We cannot hope or pretend something says what it doesn't and you lead your listeners astray and into confusion if you do not admit that.
The bottom line is that fr. fernandez and the pope are encouraging priests to make ambiguous gestures which are certain to be wrongly interpreted and scandalize people. Any priest thinking of blessing the individuals at the same time should be keenly aware that they are putting their own salvation at risk because we know what the bible says about those who lead children and others astray and engage in behavior that have a 99.99% chance of scandalizing others. A tightrope made up of dental floss over the fiery pit of Gehenna has been set up as a trap for priests and woe to those who venture out onto it. This is not about blessing same-sex couples, it is about using solid Church teachings as a distraction and a weapon to deceive and lead the souls of laity and clergy to hell. In short, the Declaration is PURE EVIL.
These guys are urinating on your head and telling you it's warm rain.
Goodness! I have never seen so much evasion and footwork from Dominicans! Their strained interpretation that it is a blessing of individuals and not couples was not faithful to the document, and it was inevitably repudiated by the further clarifications. A sad day for Dominicans. :(
The Holy Father does not want priests to give anyone the third degree when they request a simple blessing. Blessings must be given to all and this is what this document is about. It’s NOT allowed for any of these blessings to be notorious or scandalous. A simple blessing is all that can be given. Thank you Fathers for this show.
The Priest gives a blessing to all of the faithful at end of Mass. There is no need for a separate gay blessing.
@@marccrotty8447 I have often approached the priest for a blessing after Mass or services. Or during other events.
@@learningCatholic Agree. Read the document. This blessing is for folks in irregular relationships. It is gay "marriage" by another name. Wrong.
@@marccrotty8447 it specifically says that the couple cannot be trying to claim legitmacy for their situation, though: "In such cases, a blessing may be imparted that not only has an ascending value but also involves the invocation of a blessing that descends from God upon those who-recognizing themselves to be destitute and in need of his help-do not claim a legitimation of their own status, but who beg that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationships be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit. These forms of blessing express a supplication that God may grant those aids that come from the impulses of his Spirit-what classical theology calls “actual grace”-so that human relationships may mature and grow in fidelity to the Gospel, that they may be freed from their imperfections and frailties, and that they may express themselves in the ever-increasing dimension of the divine love.
32. Indeed, the grace of God works in the lives of those who do not claim to be righteous but who acknowledge themselves humbly as sinners, like everyone else. This grace can orient everything according to the mysterious and unpredictable designs of God. Therefore, with its untiring wisdom and motherly care, the Church welcomes all who approach God with humble hearts, accompanying them with those spiritual aids that enable everyone to understand and realize God’s will fully in their existence."
@@marccrotty8447 It also says: "36. In this sense, it is essential to grasp the Holy Father’s concern that these non-ritualized blessings never cease being simple gestures that provide an effective means of increasing trust in God on the part of the people who ask for them, careful that they should not become a liturgical or semi-liturgical act, similar to a sacrament."
Is anybody here imagining Jesus blessing unconverted Maria Magdalena and her customer while Peter declaring only the persons are blessed but not the prostitution???!😅
It's all perfectly normal folks.
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Actions speak louder than words. It would be considered ludicrous and duplicitous for a government to forbid cannabis use and also have a law that benefits the cannabis business. You guys are trying to square a circle.
Blessings without repentance? Continuing with what you are doing even if not as per the Word of God, is the church going to encourage same sex marriage.
Actions speak louder than words and the Pope has made it quite clear what he thinks by his actions over the years. No amount of searching through a document trying to find something that proves he’s really a traditionalist can change what we have seen.
Disagree with your sentiment. As the Fr said this is for the Germans to put them in their place and making very clear that the Holy Sacrament of Marriage is NOT changing EVER.
@@paix1234 And the fact that he makes friends with homosexuals and globalists and persecutes traditionalists means nothing?
@@ruthmaryrosedid not Christ do the same? I.e. reaching out to all sinners
@@virginiacharlotte7007 Yes, Jesus reached out to sinners. He made us to be with Him forever in heaven but we can’t go to heaven with unrepentant sin on our souls. He forgave their sin and told them to “go and sin no more.” He did not bless their sin. We must be perfect to get into heaven and sin by definition is imperfection.
@@ruthmaryrose and the Pope specifically states that disordered sexual sin cannot be blessed in this latest document. Also, who is to say that Pope Francis does not express that to the people he meets in these audiences with him?
Does anyone see in section 27 that God is called both father and mother? God does not call Himself mother. Why do that amid people already confused about their gender?
Fiducia Supplicans admits it is innovating the meaning of 'pastoral blessing' to bless anyone regardless of their state of sin to try and invite more people to God. As a result under section III, this definition also includes blessing homosexual couples, not for the purpose of legitimacy, but for their hoped-for conversion. However, since liturgical blessings already exist and can not be given to a homosexual couple, the new innovation is creating 2 different definitions for 'blessing' and resulting in confusion.
The Document goes on to allow the priest to innovate whatever words they want for a pastoral blessing without oversight, adding concerns that extreme priests will create further problems under that protection.
The document does say that marriage can only be between a man and woman and that the pastoral blessing cannot be connected in any way to a civil union. That is good to state. But why refer to them as a homosexual couple if it is not valid? Again, seems to be a bit confusing.
We know many people will not read the document. A likely result is that homosexuals will walk up to a priest in front of others, receive a blessing, and interpret it as approval of their relationship. They won't care about the difference between pastoral or liturgical blessing at that point just approval. Jesus forgave the adulteress but also told her to go and sin no more. With no defined process or oversight, where is the necessary instruction they will need?
And that's the terrific point: where are they being told to repent and sin no more? They will naturally see this as approval to remain in their present state. And if the 'pastoral blessing' is not a sacrament, how will they receive grace to change their ways? Who, along with this 'blessing', is also exhorting them to go to Confession and confess their state of living as a sin and that they need help overcoming it? Such couples can now interpret only that the Church is edifying their 'union', with this as the first step toward validation as matrimony. In fact, were I in such a 'union', I'd think that it not being matrimony yet is actually a persecution upon me and, therefore, a spiritually edifying thing - all while remaining in my current state of sin, of course. What a spectacular confusion this all is! And I'm actually feeling genuinely sad for LGBT Catholics - the Pope has let them down very badly. We must pray for the Pope and ALL of the Church.
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Section III paragraph 31 specifically uses "couples" which is morally ambiguous at best and intentionally used at worst. Father James Martin is already abusing this document openly.
Abuse of a good thing is not proof that it is not a good thing!
And Father James Martin did *not* follow 'Fiducia supplicans', which says the blessing should be spontaneous and unambiguously NOT looking at all like a Marriage!! So, having a reporter and a photographer there, and publishing the photo with the two men holding hands is clearly NOT what the document requires!
I hope that Father's superiors call him on the carpet for that stunt.
@@susand3668 The problem is Rome let's him get away with it.
Dear@@jonathanlaury2585, it's not the job od the Vatican. He was ordained over here in the US, and his US superiors have to figure out what to do with him. Give them time.
Oh, you mean before this? He has always been what my father calls a "slippery cuss."
But this time, he has come out from behind all protection, and will have to do a lot of back-peddling to prove that he is still orthodox!!
@@susand3668 Ultimately it IS the responsibility of the Vatican if his local ordinaries won't take action, which they have not. There is no denying Pope Francis does NOT like conservative American clergy, look at how many he has removed by his own order, and yet Martin continues his heresy unchecked. Pope Francis personally invited him to participate in the Synod after all. No, Pope Francis won't stop him, he's buddies with him.
Dear@@jonathanlaury2585, I understand the intensity of your feelings. Yes, something should be done, and it will be (Jesus has promised to protect His Bride!) Especially now that Fr. Martin has openly defied the pope by disobeying the Declaration, on the very next day.
Be not deceived, this is evil.
Jesus says to love one another. Don't you love our pope? Aren't you praying for him? Andisn't God in charge?
Great explanation about this document, one thing for sure, this document help us to understand the difference between Sacramentals and Sacraments. Very good point, if a couple homosexual ask for blessing to give the blessing individual not as a couple.👍
Efrain. Take this to the bank: The newly "married" gay couple will show up at Church with a freshly printed civil license and flowers on their suit lapels to ask for their blessing. This is the Church endorsing their illicit relationship.
Dear@@marccrotty8447, and the faithful priest will say, "No way! FS specifically says that informal blessings are NOT to be in connection with any ceremony of blessing!"
Please, I think you think you are doing good, but what you are doing is spreading confusion. FS does NOT say what you keep trying to make it say.
And if you say that you zre relying on Cardinal Mueller's ridiculous article in The Pillar, I will have to tell you as an English major I that if I turned in a paper like that I would get it back with an "F" and a note, "Very creative. But not truthful."
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Those couples who showed up as you described them, do not need a blessing, possible they are looking for an exorcism.
@@susand3668The Good Priest at my Latin Mass chapel said this morning that he will not make any such blessings as described in FS. And thank you Cardinal Mueller for your wise analysis of this non-Catholic Vatican document: "Insofar as the priest acts as a priest, he acts in the name of Christ and the Church. Now to claim that one can separate the meaning of this blessing from the teaching of Christ is to postulate a dualism between what the Church does and what the Church says." Christmas 2023.
Dear@@marccrotty8447, that's fine. FS does not insist on *doing* the private blessings -- that's at the discretion of the priest.
I am now reading Cardinal Mueller's book "Benedict and Francis". The love of the Church is on every page! But also the love of the papacy. In his first essay he wrote "Jesus Christ, the true Head of the Church, bestows on the Bishop of Rome, as the successor of the apostle Peter, the fullness of authority to represent Him visibly as the universal teacher and pastor in the pilgrim Church on earth."
In the end (and the beginning and the middle) it is Christ Who rules His Church. In Him is all our Hope and Faith. He is the One Who teaches the Magisterium through the Holy Spirit. It is His voice that we hear in the voice of the pope.
We have been forgetting that. It is time we remembered that we must love the pope, and give our religious submission of intellect and will to what he teaches. From the Code of Canon Law:
"Canon 752 Although not an assent of faith, a religious submission of the intellect and will must be given to a doctrine which the Supreme Pontiff or the college of bishops declares concerning faith or morals when they exercise the authentic magisterium, even if they do not intend to proclaim it by definitive act; therefore, the Christian faithful are to take care to avoid those things which do not agree with it."
FS has been approved by the pope.
"But if the pope teaches heresy?' Can't happen. Jesus promised. Anyone who says otherwise is losing his Faith.
So, I am reading Cardinal Mueller's book as part of my prayer for him.
Each person should come to Christ for help and forgiveness and blessings! I don’t remember reading in the Bible where Christ asks homosexual couples to come together for blessings!
clearly the document speaks of repentance as a way of receiving any blessing
No No No
Francis will have none of that. Francis Church demands that we "accompany" gays in their sin.
Scott. You are reading into the document what is not said. Wrong.
@@marccrotty8447 that is the description of repentance and I think it was intended to slap down the German Bishops and talked a little too much inside baseball, which it should have used generalized specific language
@@Scott-A-Montgomery I think the point from the rest of us is that virtually every time the Pope - and He is and always will be my Pope as long as he lives - speaks or issues a statement or document, he needs to be clarified and justified no end by all of us - and to each other, let alone to the rest of the world. Because of which, it has been seeming to me for a while now that what he says is not clear... and nor is it likely to be just. That's definitely a problem. And not just now but for the ages ahead. How many desperate souls will be lost to a graceless 'union' after pouncing on this document as validation instead of running to the sacraments? What would a future Pope from a 100 years later, yet to be born as of this comment, do after growing up in a faith seeing same-sex couples abound? Would it not seem 'natural' to him to do the 'obvious' thing and 'give' this 'union' the sanctity of matrimony? This is what today's parents and tomorrow's grandparents and great-grandparents are worried about - an urgency that is not at all immediate to the clergy and the religious. (How could it be?)
@@humbledandgrateful7411 well alright, so I have ignore the statement that only people who realize that they are destitute and in need of redemption will seek out blessing, therefore I am supposed to think that those people are not wanting to repent and need help to leave this life of depravity. Does that not seem clear, that is my question because I don’t understand how that embraces homosexuality
I have to go further and express myself by way of analogy, a fictitious soap opera. I would see this soap opera as a tragic comedy, a cross between Breaking Bad, Days of our Lives, and Modern Family, called BREAKING FAMILY. The spontaneous prayer and the justifications for it are taken directly from the document FIDUCIA SUPPLICANS. As far as I know this scenario would meet the requirements of that document.
SEASON ONE: THE BLESSING
EPISODE ONE:
Frank (he/him) and Dick (he/him) come to Fr Pete to bless them in their IRREGULAR SITUATION (they are openly homosexual). They meet at the shrine of the Holy Family. It's a Saturday morning.
Fr Pete points out that he will use his own spontaneous words in the blessing because to ritualize such a blessing "would constitute a serious impoverishment because it would subject a gesture of great value in popular piety to EXCESSIVE CONTROL, depriving ministers of freedom and spontaneity in their pastoral accompaniment of people’s lives."
Furthermore, Fr Pete quotes the Holy Father to give further authority to his own spontaneous words in the blessing, by pointing out that "Canon Law should not and CANNOT COVER EVERYTHING, nor should the Episcopal Conferences claim to do so with their various documents and protocols, since the life of the Church flows through many channels besides the normative ones."
In conclusion, Fr Pete, again quoting the Holy Father makes it clear why he cannot use a ritual from the Book of Blessings for this special blessing, noting that "what is part of a practical discernment in particular circumstances cannot be elevated to the level of a rule” because this “would lead to an INTOLERABLE CASUISTRY."
[SOME DEFINITIONS ASIDE:
casuistry
noun
1. Specious or excessively subtle reasoning intended to rationalize or mislead.
2. The determination of right and wrong in questions of conduct or conscience by analyzing cases that illustrate general ethical rules.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition
Jesuit
noun
1. Roman Catholic Church A member of the Society of Jesus.
2. often jesuit One given to subtle casuistry.
Jesuitical adj. Jesuitically adv.
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, Fifth Edition
These definitions from the American Heritage Dictionary are hilarious and serendipitous because Pope Francis is a Jesuit. If he does not want the blessing of irregular situations to lead to intolerable casuistry, does he prefer subtle casuistry?]
Essentially, Fr Pete explained that the rule is that there is no rule, "Let's not call it THE RULE. Let's just call it the new norm. We're the new normies! Let's just be spontaneous and not follow the rule! I guess that’s the new rule from the Holy F." Frank, Dick and Fr Pete giggle with delight at the thought of their righteous permissiveness blessed by the Holy Father.
Facing the couple, Frank and Dick, Fr Pete makes the sign of the Cross over them, as they hold hands beaming with delight in the shrine of the Holy Family:
“Almighty ever-living God, who in the abundance of your kindness surpass the merits and the desires of those who entreat you, pour out your mercy upon us to pardon what conscience dreads and to give what prayer does not dare to ask. Bless your children, Frank and Dick, and bless their lives together. May they have peace, health, a spirit of patience, dialogue, and mutual assistance, and also your light and strength to be able to fulfill your will completely. We sincerely ask your blessing, dear Heavenly Father, though not with the intention to legitimize anything, rather that they may open their lives to you, to ask for your help to live better, since you never turn away anyone who approaches you. As they place their trust in you and request your blessing, thus they express and nurture openness to your transcendence and mercy, and closeness to God in a thousand concrete circumstances of life, which is no small thing in the world in which we live. And we beg your blessing, O sweet Jesus, that all that is true, good, and humanly valid in their lives and their relationship be enriched, healed, and elevated by the presence of the Holy Spirit, so that their relationship may mature and grow in fidelity to the Gospel, that they may be freed from their imperfections and frailties, and that they may express themselves in the ever-increasing dimension of the divine love. We also invoke the Holy Spirit so that the values of the Gospel may be lived with greater faithfulness. In the Name of Jesus, and all that is holy, Amen!"
Fr Pete beams with delight, as Frank and Dick kiss each other on the lips, and they all applaud. They decide to head off to Starbucks for some mediocre coffee.
NEXT TIME … EPISODE TWO
Sorry, in the opening instructions, you said they "meet at the Shrine"? WAs it spontaneous? Did Fr. Pete bring a copy of 'Fiducia supplicans' with him, or did he have it memorized? (Sorry, the prayer was too long, and I didn't read it. I'm sure it was hilarious.)
Are we the baddies now? - David Mitchell
Vatican basically became like Apple. They have the Pro models, and Lite models.
so in 2023 marriage is two tier according to Vatican.
Marriage Pro - Man and Woman
Mariage Lite - Man and Man, or Woman and Woman.
Very clever, but not true.
Please stop spreading confusion. FS forbids so-called same-sex marriage. It clearly states the only kind of union to be blessed by the Church is one man, one woman, exclusive, stable, indissoluble, and open naturally to the generation of children.
@@susand3668 please help clarify what does the church mean when it blesses unions between same sex people?
Dear@@rolandjosef7961, the Church expressly *forbids* blessing "unions between same sex people."
FS talks about "blessing *couples* in irregular unions". This is the phrase that the German Synodal Way has used to sneak pseudo-marriages between people who are canonically unable to receive REAL weddings. FS demonstrates how this is an untenable position. It shows how blessing *couples* must be PRIVATE. Since weddings are public, this effectively forbids SS weddings.
This means that, while blessings of couples are allowed, because the Church is on earth to be a blessing to all peoples, they MUST be private. No witnesses. No prayers set by the Church. No planning ahead of time etc. If the priest chooses to bless the couple as separate individuals, that's fine. No witnesses to say he did it wrong. It is placing all our trust in God!!
The purpose of FS is to limit blessings, so that they cannot be used by heretics nor cause scandals.
We need to keep our pope in our prayers particularly this coming year as he confronts the German bishops and tries to lead them away from the dissident German Synodal Way and back into the Church.
Hmmm...speaking with forked tongue.
Here comes the *fundamental problem* with *Fiducia supplicans* :The blessing of the couple is aimed to *help them to live in accordance to the gospel* . But what does that mean? *Repentance and chastity* or living out the *practice of homosexuality in a romantic relationship* ...? Orthodox Catholics are allowed to choose interpretation one, but Modernists are allowed to choose interpretation two. Pope Francis is a servant of Satan if he does not go against the Modernist interpretation of "living in accordance with the gospel". And he explicitly stated that no further clarification will be given.
Fr. Advent-ure, nice try at Polish! Miłości i Miłosierdzie.
It is Amoris Latitia all over again.
Now when a good priest refuses to bless a couple in sin, he will ne cancelled like Bishop Strickland or even sued for "homophobia". Francis has again brought terrible scandal into the Church.
Nonsense
@@Ericviking2019 Explain yourself if you can.
@@carolynkimberly4021
What is the purpose for the permission of Priests to 'Bless' same sex couples? What exactly is that 'Blessing' that is administered to them if they have no interest whatsoever in repenting for the sin of Homosexuality and continue to remain as a 'Same Sex Couple'
Jesus told us to love & pray for our enemies & to bless people by praying for their salvation. This applies to every Christian, not just Priests to bless anyone.
This new permission is a contradiction & a violation of the Scriptures!
Let's cut out all the wishy washy semantics on what blessing means. The greatest blessing you can bestow on a person is to pray for their repentance and salvation. So, whether or not it's an unmarried heterosexual or homosexual couple, what sort of blessing is a Priest to bestow on them besides calling them in of course a loving manner, to turn away from their sin and put their faith and trust in Christ?
This is nothing more than a wishy washy step towards the inevitable!
@@Ericviking2019you are either ignorant or gaslighting
Then this is a "scandal" worth following, imo - another incremental step fwd in a more generous and loving direction. You don't know how many times I've heard of someone getting kicked out or disowned from their fam JUST BCUZ GAY/TRANS. ...wth?!? Families are tearing themselves up over this, Protestants & Catholics alike, and world wide too. I saw someone say Sin is Sin; well, Love is Love. Our truisms and maxims haven't been working... Don't you want to try something else, while there is still Time?
REMEMBER what Jesus said Luke 6:37 Don’t condemn and you will not be condemned.Pope Francis DOESN’T allow same-sex marriage, please don’t misunderstand that.❤.we MUST PRAY for them instead of condemn them. We must help them to come back to Jesus. WE MUST BLESS INSTEAD OF CONDEMN. Mark 12:30-31 Love your neighbor as yourself❤️ John 8:7 If anyone is without sin, let him be the first to thrown a stone at her. Jesus died for all of us He paid for all ours sins, He didn’t make a distinction like if you are homosexual you don’t be safe. Blessing doesn’t mean we are agree with your decision It means we can’t condemn ,if you repent God is waiting for you.
As soon as they say "development", you know a heresy is coming.
I vowed not to f-- cats, but when you're a saxon dragon, why not her?
It is very simple. It is heresy. The document literally says about blessing intrinsically sinful COUPLES. You are lying and committing scandal by saying it is about blessing individuals.
So Catholic Priest nowaday blessing those already married rainbow couples 😂. Nice
Fathers, please stick to Godsplaining, Popesplaining leads to moral peril these days. Threading the needle for the pope on this issue is impossible without examining the strong possibilty that he is muddying the waters and weakening our faith in his office. If I share a business with a partner and we formed our partnership to defraud others; can we now have our business blessed? Why not a throuple? We don't bless sin. We don't cooperate with evil; Out a sense of charity we should correct our brothers and sisters.
Is God at work in His Church or isn’t he? Could the coming changes in the Church and yes, the changes are coming, possibly be the work of the Holy Spirit, as Jesus promised? Could Pope Francis be his messenger in all of this?
The principle of doctrinal development in Catholicism allows for the Church's understanding of its teachings to evolve and develop over time while still preserving the core truths of the faith. Some examples of this are Original Sin, the Trinity and the doctrine of Purgatory, the Eucharist, Canon of Scripture, religious liberty, social justice, and the role of women in the Church and society, but to name a few. Should the beliefs of the Church in the area of homosexuality and same-sex unions not evolve when presented with modern scientific evidence that proves otherwise or, should She remain with Her head in the sand in the interest of maintaining the status quo?
Medical experts have stated they can find no studies to show that homosexuality is an abnormality in the human person. Experts now widely agree (American Psychological Association (APA), World Health Organization (WHO), American Medical Association (AMA), World Medical Association (WMA), National Academy of Sciences (NAS), National Library of Medicine, and many other numerous research studies) that homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality rather than a conscious choice made by individuals or an unnatural disorder the homosexual was born with.
Scientific studies NOW conclude that homosexuality will make up 3% of the population, no matter what, and that homosexuality IS part of the natural order. So, it seems our knowledge of this matter has changed. Should not our theology develop and evolve in light of these new findings? After all, aren’t homosexuals made in the image and likeness of God, as we all are? If we are not to dispute the scientific and medical consensus, the question then becomes, are homosexuals not allowed to carry out God’s plan of love and commitment in the best way possible, in loving monogamous same-sex unions? Are they not allowed to participate in true love and commitment that mirrors Christ’s love for us on the cross in the same way infertile couples, who are given dispensations by the Church to marry, even though they cannot fulfil the marriage requirement of procreation? It is through no fault of their own, that gays are who they are. God made them as surely as he made you and me, and we all know, God doesn’t make junk.
No, this would mean the Bible is wrong when it sets the order of one man for one woman. We are all born with desires and other perversions we shouldn't satisfy. We don't accept them and change doctrine because a sin becomes the societal norm. People will always try to justify sins of the flesh. God's word is eternal.
@@thomassandoval8025 Church teaching evolves based on new discoveries. Galileo was confined to house arrest by the Church for his belief that the Earth revolved around the Sun. When the evidence presents itself, the Church must acknowledge the truth.
@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 church teaching about core doctrine really doesnt change. It cant, since the root of the teaching is the objective word of God, and God doesn't change. And that's a poor example since the Bible doesn't say the sun revolves around the earth. Men make mistakes that need correction. The Bible speaks for itself, and is very clear on the subject of homosexuality. Or are you saying the Bible itself needs to be corrected to suit this modern culture?
@@thomassandoval8025 I am afraid you are incorrect in saying “The Bible doesn't say the sun revolves around the earth”. While it is important to note that Galileo's conflict with the Church was more complex than a simple disagreement over these specific biblical verses, his support for the heliocentric model challenged the prevailing cosmology left to the world by Aristotle, and clashed with the prevailing official interpretations of Scripture held by the Church at the time.
Galileo eventually was forced in 1614 to answer the charge that this “new science” was contrary to Scripture. The Church pointed to the Bible that contained statements like, “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed . . .” (Josh. 10:13). This was not an isolated occurrence. Psalms 93 and 104 and Ecclesiastes 1:5 also speak of celestial motion and terrestrial stability. A literalistic reading of these passages, which the Church held at the time, would have to be abandoned if the heliocentric theory were adopted. This obviously presented a problem for the Church as it was contrary to what She believed and if proven correct, would undermine Her authority with the faithful. Let’s take a look at these passages.
"So the sun stood still, and the moon stopped, till the nation avenged itself on its enemies, as it is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky and delayed going down about a full day." (Joshua 10:13) This verse describes an event where the sun and the moon appeared to "stand still" in the sky. Some proponents of geocentrism argue that this verse contradicts the heliocentric model, as it implies that the sun moves around the Earth.
"The Lord reigns, he is robed in majesty; the Lord is robed in majesty and armed with strength; indeed, the world is established, firm and secure." (Psalms 93:1) This verse is often interpreted as emphasizing the stability and order of the world, suggesting that the Earth is fixed and immovable. Some proponents of geocentrism have used this verse to support their position.
"He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved." (Psalms 104:5) Similar to the interpretation of Psalms 93:1, this verse is often understood as emphasizing the stability and immovability of the Earth.
"The sun rises and the sun sets, and hurries back to where it rises." (Ecclesiastes 1:5) This verse is often cited as evidence for a geocentric view since it describes the apparent motion of the sun rising and setting.
At the time, the Church took these passages very seriously and yes, very literally. Today, the Church admits that these verses are part of a historical narrative and are not intended to provide a scientific explanation of the Earth's motion. It is now generally understood as a poetic description of a miraculous event rather than a literal statement about the mechanics of the universe, but Her thinking was far different back then before further scientific evidence was made available and She was forced to “amend” (evolve, develop) her beliefs.
And yes, while you are quite correct, core truths of the faith or doctrine are immutable and unchangeable, as I said in my previous comment, they can develop and evolve as circumstances warrant and new scientific truths are adopted. Again, some examples of this are Original Sin, the Trinity and the doctrine of Purgatory, the Eucharist, Canon of Scripture, religious liberty, social justice, and the role of women in the Church and society, but to name a few. All these beliefs of the Church have developed and evolved over time as cultures changed and new scientific truths were adopted.
@crazyedswonderfulworldofso9370 You can be afraid all you want, but you are still wrong. The verse you posted doesn't say the sun revolves around the earth. It describes an event from the perspective of those present. According to biblical scholars, the Book of Joshua was likely written by Joshua. This isn't someone describing what God said, e.g., "God says the sun moves around the earth." This is Joshua describing what happened on a particular day.
To understand the Bible in more depth, you need to understand what is descriptive language and what is prescriptive language. Joshua is descriptive. Prescriptive is God specifically saying something to a prophet as law or instruction. Homosexuality falls into the prescriptive category as the rules for sexual sin are specifically laid out by God. These cannot change as I've already mentioned. The descriptive interpretations of events are what you seem to be hung up on. These are subject to interpretation.
In summary, God's law and rules do not change. Our interpretation of events in the Bible may change, as long as that interpretation doesn't conflict with God's law.
The gay head of the dicastry of the Faith was the final piece Francis needed to push through his gay agenda.
Splitting hairs instead of clear moral teaching. Francis disappoints the the faithful laity yet again.
Please stop doing the work of satan. Bashing the Holy Father is the work of satan. The document is clear, but it is advanced. This document is a 400 level course opposed to say something like the 2021 document. The 2021 is like a 100 level course
Why is in it clear?
Because it lays out what marriage is, then it goes into what a blessing is, and then it goes into how a blessing is to be given. It’s advanced because the document requires a deep understanding of previous teachings, ie the teaching that you can’t bless sin. If you forget about this then it’s confusing, but when you read what it is saying, and its references then it makes sense. It references the decision, in very clear terms, that you can’t bless sin.
@@nomassgoer8350 Exactly!!! This is deep theology!!!
@@nomassgoer8350
It’s confusing because it is intentionally deceptive. They know full well that doctrine can not be changed. So, they are targeting the practice. Several strawmen are set up throughout the document. By the end of the document, they are approving the practice of blessing the relationships of sodomy. In the meantime, they elevate these relationships in the Church, giving them credence. Very cleverly written. Don’t fall for it.
I want you guys rewind the tape and listen to yourselves. You guys are talking B.S. shame for Dominicans. Expected more.
Such dangerous naïveté.
Hoping that you won't do popesplaining.
Get to the 40's.
This channel should be better called popesplaining… sad so see priests so poorly catechized.
Francis approves of buggery.
As a lay woman I am actively involved in pro-life ministry, therefore, I am personally involved with a major issue of morality and conscience in a practical by rescuing victims, solving their problems of poverty, seeing the immediate needs of women and girls in crisis. Pro-life is involved with restoring the sanctity of life, restoring respect for women and children at all stages from gestation to adult years. The lives of children are threatened with 75 million abortions worldwide each year, a population control agenda, sx exploitation of children and teens, (that services males,) This is the core issue of the times. Safeguarding females from predators so that children will not be killed.
Explaining Pope Francis is a big distraction away from the core issue of protecting the sanctity of life. God grieves over the destruction of His creation.
Pro-life people typically do not get involved with wasting time over non-related issues when actual lives are at stake. We keep our opinions to ourselves about other topics.
Wonderful video guys. I'm thankful you guys aren't blowing things out of proportion like most people but are still being real with potential issues. God bless you.
Do you think that if most people are "blowing the document out of proportion", including Liberal Catholics who want gay blessings, and the World, then perhaps that is literal objective evidence for the fact that the document contains something worth that reaction?
Gas lighters like you have to maintain the bizarre position that the entire World is misinterpreting the document that you alone understand correctly.
Maybe, just maybe, and I know this might sound crazy to you, but in fact everyone else might be right and you might be wrong. Think about it.