Livesplaining: What should we do with Fr. Rupnik's Art? + Q&A | Fr. Bonaventure & Fr. Patrick
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- Livesplaining: What should we do with Fr. Rupnik's Art? + Q&A | Fr. Bonaventure Chapman & Fr. Patrick Briscoe
On this week's live episode, Fr. Bonaventure and Fr. Patrick discuss infamous Catholic artist Fr. Marko Rupnik and his mosaics, which decorate churches from Europe to the United States.
**Note the episode's start time! Fr. Bonaventure is in Europe this week.**
Join us this Tuesday, 7/2 at 2pm EST to hear the friars discuss Fr. Rupnik's art. Fr. Bonaventure and Fr. Patrick will also answer YOUR questions live!
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I was at Fatima last Easter. I didn’t research any of the artwork on display in advance. I was sitting in the Holy Trinity church and was immediately disturbed by the rather large mosaic in combination with an oppressive looking crucifix( Irish artist) A day later it struck me, as I had heard of him, this must be a Rupnik mosaic. Looked it up and was disturbed so much more. I had to attend Mass there, no other option, and just cast my eyes down at the level of the priests. Besides the disturbing aspect it doesn’t really represent the Fatima apparition. I had the privilege of being in Knock, Ireland the previous Easter and that Mosaic was beautiful and more representative of Knock. Sadly I will not return to Fatima because of that Mosaic. I also felt saddened for the Portugal people as they don’t deserve this desecration of their Shrine.
Ask the women he abused what should be done with his art. Continuing to display it seems like a slap in their faces.
Take it down and do not use it. He is a serial abuser and it is a scandal
i would argue that due to the nature of rupniks crimes being against the church is a unique way, and his art being for the church gives greater cause than say tossing out a nazi philosopher
I’m very against cancel culture…. But this is one of those situations wheee he needs to be dealt with. His art needs to be removed if for nothing else respect of the victims. You are in my prayers!
Fr. Bonaventure, love that you're going to Slovakia! Please pray for my Slovak family especially those that have fallen away from the faith.
Rupnik's iconographic style renders his work outright blasphemous. Icons are not said to be painted, but written; their creation is a spiritual exercise with prayer being an integral part of the process.
Rupnik took that holy style and re-founded it on violence against consecrated women. Every work is infused with the sin that inspired it. He is an unrepentant apostate who serially manipulated the vulnerable sisters in his care, causing them to commit grave sins and endanger their souls.
Yes, removing his art will be costly, but anything less is completely unacceptable. He's not Wagner or Bernini, he's something twisted and demonic.
I think continued use and new use of the art in media stuff can be a source of scandal for many. As such, this could be a distraction in places and at times where the church is working to grow holiness and virtue. Out of sight, out of mind?
Safe travels, Fr. Bonaventure! We met in 2022 during the New York retreat about virtues. I was just about to enter my second year of med school then, and you took a moment at the end of the retreat to encourage me. I wanted to thank you - that really made a difference for me. I am presently studying to take my second board exam and apply to residency programs in neurology. If you would, please pray for my studies and discernment during your pilgrimage. God bless!
Be assured of our prayers, Caleb!
Take it down. It's a disgrace. It's different when a secular artist is controversial but makes sacred art, as has been often the case in the past, and nowadays we're so used to it already (e.g. Sistine Chapel, Caravaggio, etc. - and no, I'm not comparing the quality of the art, just the context of being sacral art). But since he's a priest involved in such a scandal and disgrace, and we can still act when it's still fresh, we should.
Consider the background of cover-ups of abuse: an offending priest or religious quietly moved to a new place and even promoted. We've been hearing about these stories, again and again and again, for more than twenty years. Continuing to use Rupnik's art seems like the same old pattern: an unrepentant abuser being protected, the leadership of the church acting in a way that suggests they think abuse is no big deal.
Art that's in place can be covered with plaster or even with curtains, perhaps with paintings hung in their place. Sure, it may be unsightly, but it's not as offensive as pretending that art with this origin is fit for sacred use.
Raping up to 40 nuns is never ok. Raping 1 nun is not ok. There should be NO support of him or his sexually derived artwork! I feel there should have been a clearer and stronger message from you Fathers. Waffling doesn't help anyone!
Thank you so much for your reliable clarity, broadness of scope in considering tough questions, and example of how to hold to our beliefs without brittleness or fear. Thank you for always sharing the nutritious fruits of your contemplations. Praise God from Whom all blessings flow. You Guys and your offerings are Such Blessings to Christendom!
Thank you Fr. Bonaventure and Fr. Patrick. I like the art too. But the man is odious.
The Rupnik conversation going into all the what ifs relative to cancel culture was unnecessary and, frankly, painful. His behavior is antithetical to the Good News his art purports to illustrate. Thank you, Fr. Patrick, for stating the only answer congruent with who we, the Body of Christ, say we are.
As a Catholic I’m quite shocked that there is ANY doubt that the art created by evil should be removed and DESTROYED no matter how lovely the artwork is!!!!
Maybe the person who sees beauty in this artwork should question his or her reasons for seeing beauty in it.
I think it comes down to the Church showing respect to the victims and that the burden of their suffering is something they can lean on the Church to help support them in. The matter of scandal which many will be and especially at Holy Mass, it would be disturbing as it is rather widely known. And the matter of necessity, I do not think it would be hard to find artists willing to create replacement works and I think if there is greater ease of making the change it adds more onus to attempt to make the change for the moral consideration of the other two matters.
I personally liked the way the art looked, but I gladly would sacrifice it, if it can bring relief to those suffering here. I know there are likely some who have gotten spiritual benefit from the art in the past, but the potential for scandal seems to negate that on its own and then we still have the primary matter in favor of its removal from public spiritual spaces if possible.
If not for justice, then certainly for mercy.
Corollary: The proximity, that horrible relation the art has to the matter as well! Knowing that now, I doubt I could like that style anymore.
Alright. Basta! I haven’t heard either of you explain that, besides serial rapes tied to Rupnik’s art, but he also used the confessional to advance his lust for victims who had a conscience. How low can you go?
The figleaf of “like the aesthetics of his art” only covers so much blasphemy. Never mind the trauma of the victims. Geez.
Aquinas on Beauty: Integritas, Claritas, Consonantia ... those murals or whatever you call them are certainly not objectively beautiful.
So great to hear about your summer projects, Fathers. Praying for successful events and fruitful study and prayer!
Something that struck me during Fr. Bonaventure’s description of the bleeding woman touching the hem of Jesus’ robes: why would she be turning from Jesus, when she just spent so much energy fighting the crowds and literally crawling to get to Him? As a former dancer, I appreciate the imagery, truly. But it just doesn’t seem to fit the story.
There's other great Catholic painters out there who could do a better job and don't have controversy like this. Neilson Carlin, raul berzosa, Anthony visco, and others. All devout and practicing the faith, and all talented.
Fr Kunstoventure I would be happy to give you a few Polish lessons.
Just drop into Switzerland
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Does anyone know if the Knights of Columbus re-released their Building up the Domestic Church seried without that art? It seems particularly wrong to have it on such works now.
If not scissors are a thing.
A similar case in the UK is Catholic sculptor Eric Gill ( don't look this up if you might get distressed). I think all his works should come down.
May the Lord bless and keep all the holy virgins who have given their lives to God and for the sake of the Kingdom. And love and blessings on those virgins who are still faithfully waiting for their true love to appear.
Isn't it a matter of Justice? This art is disturbing: the characters have dead eyes, like a doll's eyes. But the artist did evil, sacrilegious things to consecrated women. They sack courageous bishops such as Joseph Strickland yet this person's excommunication was lifted within hours of it be levied. Injustice.
Thank you Frs.
Thank you, Fr. Patrick-Mary Briscoe and Fr. Bonaventure Chapman. This is, to date, my favorite episode of Godspalining.
Kunstoventure! 😄
I have no problem with antisemitism, but there are French philosophers (e.g., Foucault, Sarte, Derida, etc) who if you look into what they did, should definitely not be studied.
Sadly, the fact that low quality art from a checkered artist lasted this long is a reflection of the sins of the laity and priests rather than Fr. Rupnik.
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