I'll die on this hill saying Lissandra wasn't at fault for the watcher control deck. Trundle's pillar and spectral matron made summoning watcher and leveling lissandra way too easy. I am so glad Trundle has moved out of standard
@@ReigoVassal The real issue is the pay off. Having a 11/17 body is nice but he don't have any keyword. For is effect, he needs to be able to attack and it isn't as easy as it sound + it's still just a timer. For exemple Maokai trigger on the spot and it isn't that 'great' either. It's more like a alternative wincon for Deep against control deck if thing go sour.
It was literally just matreon, all they had to do was add the text "that costs 10 mana or less" and all would have been fine, especially since all the following releases countered the deck anyways, so it would have gotten indirectly nerfed eigher way.
It is actually so weird that Lee Sin was allowed to exist for so long. Ionia was meant to be a stall region with no wincon, otherwise it would have been unfair to play against. Like, Karma has a gamewinning effect but Ionia itself doesn't have spells worth being doubled. And Lee Sin was a real Ionian wincon. Surely, prior to Ionian hooker, Ionia couldn't give him overwhelm or scout to be a real threat but he still could hit face for about 10 damage and cheap elusives could do the rest. Only after rotation Lee Sin was re-imagined as Sett, who'se focus is purely removal and not making you quit the game.
so if ionia had 0 win con how u ment to win then ? just stall until the other player runs out of cards? u had yasou with his stuns for a some board clears
@@bl4ckhearts802 Back then Ionia had a unique feature "you can include cards from another region in your deck during deckbuilding". Don't know if they still have it, haven't played runeterra for a while.
The reason why is that entrenched and established gameplay elements tend to be looked at in a biased way. Even if they're broken, they're excused for being fitting to the meta despite of it, with the reasoning behind it being different depending on your viewpoint. If you're a tournament player, the reasoning would be that Lee Sin is good (i.e. broken), therefore it's good to use in the tournament, therefore they want to use it. It's oxymoronic if you consider balance, but this is especially how one would feel if you're comfortable with the deck or you feel an appeal to authority to those who are comfortable with the deck. A developer might see it as an established gameplay quirk and not deliberately broken, sorta like how you might see Ravenous Flock in Noxus. A casual player might just like the deck and therefore feel that justifies Lee Sin. It's very clear though that if you looked at holistically and saliently, Lee Sin was broken. If you ever see that the reasoning about why a card is or is not broken differs a lot from viewpoint to viewpoint, it's a sign that that card isn't being assessed properly.
This video is very much about broken decks highlighted by a single card as the culprit. Irelia could easily be added to this list, requiring an entire game mechanic to be altered for balance.@@PanPan-ml1ip
You’ve forgotten the Irella/Azir deck, which also happened to be given as a deck recipie in the shop, which needed to be nerfed multiple times in a row
Fantastic video! I do think it'd help to have a more lengthy transition between points, since it can get difficult to follow along when one thing changes to another, and the ending felt so abrupt that when the next video autoplayed I thought it was part of this one. In any case I'd love to see more scripted videos
Wow, will we just skip the dominance of Azirelia and the Concurrent Timelines - Lendros combo? Also Ez/Kennen when Kennen was first released should be in here.
I was curious too that the list is not complete maybe there is a part 2 or a tier list that broke runeterra entirely cause the vid is only as almost broke runeterra
Ez/Kennen wasn't at all op because of Kennen. It was Ezreal carrying that deck, plus it was INSANELY hard to run that deck optimally at high ladder. One slip and the whole thing just fell behind. As for Azirelia I've always stood by it was strong, but not entirely broken when compared to the other broken cards on this list. These were cards that had to be completely rotated out or gutted of their identity in order to stop. Azirelia was mostly Irelia's fault, and on top of that Irelia was really only dominant in that list. Things like pre-nerf Bandle tree or Ezreal pre-rotate were constantly bouncing around all regions and combo's that even slightly enabled them. Kai'sa pre second skin nerf was impossible to truly stop. Her champ spell on top of shurimas slow down meant she was oppressive with not only Demacia, but her Bilgewater list with the scouts from that region was respectably strong if underplayed due to it struggling against demacia from lack of tough.
I think if the watcher could be mentioned due to its card interactions we could also certainly mention Zephyr sage, which was a force prior to its card text being changed to exclude itself.
@@dragonic22 oh I forgot she was shurima. Still I felt that azir/Irelia might have just been as bad as Kai'sa when that was at full full power or even worse. But I remember that format very vaguely just the t3-t4 wins.
@@flamecloud19 The way I understand it, the video is going over 1 or 2 almost game killing cards per region. Like PanPan said: Azirelia was an entire deck. Unless there were 1 or 2 standout cards I'm forgetting? I remember a lot more than 2
@@dragonic22 I get that and for game killing card I was think just Irelia but I guess there was worse cards in that deck that also got nerfed. I just remember that azir was ok to play before the Irelia cards came out but when they did come out it made the format so fast. But I got idea wrong thinking it was just Irelia's fault.
I think some good honorable mentions would be The Arsenal, Concurrent Timelines (Ledros, Dreadway combo), The Veiled Temple, Unyielding Spirit, Wiggly Burblefish (with 1 mana Rummage).
What he said about Kai'sa, that the game became more about rushing your win con rather than interacting with your opponent, has been true since way, way earlier than that. It was true already during the release of Shurima, with broken shit like Azirelia winning on turn 5 and TLC winning on turn 8, then Sivir/Akshan with flurry of fists killing you in one turn.
The difference I think is that in those eras there were still viable decks that looked to interact and counter your opponent wincon. In the kaisa era, basically all meta decks looked to just do their own thing faster than the opponent, because interacting with kai'sa was impossible (read: very high chance for your removal to be blocked, putting you into an even greater deficit) and Kai'sa would always win by turn 6-7 so the only other viable decks were those that seek to win sooner than that.
I'd say a shout out, but it was waaaay less frustrating then Lee Sin. Azir/Irelia had retreat and homecoming as their only protections in most cases so Shadow Isles was still favorable, or at least somewhat more able to weather the explosive start. Agreed that it sucked though.
@jerianaleonarcturus6759 there's certainly an argument that peak Lee was more powerful for sure, I suppose the popularity of it was a big factor. Having 2/3 of the games per day be against Azirelia really plants it into my memory
Honestly imo another part of overloaded cards that are FUN to USE that no one talks about is how frustrating it is when a player (especially frustrating when its a new/casual player) may spend weeks building decks around that card only for it to get nerfed into oblivion,like i remember starting to play last year and i absolutely loved Nami (before you call me cringe i played Lux Nami,sometimes Fizz Nami but only vs AI cuz i feel like im too bad to play normal LOL) and when she got nerfed i felt like quitting the game because i had spent all of my resources and weeks of grinding into a champion that was now dead,i felt like quitting the game but then Seraphine released,i grinding again and literally the day after i got her the patch notes were released,and i actually quit the game until glory in Navori and idk if i would have started playing again if it wasn’t for the fact that i love Samira so i just had to be here when she got added into the game bruh And yet again i spent weeks grinding for Siren Song decks and again,2 days after i got my meme Azir Evelynn Siren song deck the card just gets absolutely annihilated. Like it just sucks when fun cards that you grind hard for get nerfed into the ground,like it’s so not fun :/
I understand how you feel, but honestly every single one of those cards you mentioned were broken and needed nerfs, and it wasn't like they didn't have plenty of time in the spotlight for anyone to make use of them. I agree with you that some cards don't tend to get the opportunity to bring out their potential before they're relegated, but Nami, Seraphine and Siren Song aren't really one of those cards.
@@Yous0147 My point isn’t that they didn’t have enough time in the spotlight,my point is that it’s so annoying and not fun when you spend weeks of grinding and all of your resources on a card/deck and then when you get it it gets nerfed to the ground,and sometimes you have no choice but to get the broken card/deck so that you can keep up with the rest of the meta,or you’re just someone looking for a admittedly broken but fun deck and when you finally get it it gets nerfed into absolute oblivion and is no longer fun,it just feels so bad.
If you keep up with the community, it's pretty easy to see which cards are going to get nerfed almost instantly, so just go for another deck. As a personal example, I saw that everybody thought Siren Song was too strong, so I crafted Neeko-Demacia and managed to climb pretty high with it Avoiding cases like the ones you mentioned are just a case of keeping up with the meta
@@fenrirastrid3363 Problem is that: 1. I mentioned how some people just want to have fun vs AI/normal matches and don’t care about the meta,it feels so bad to just want to have fun with a admittedly OP card,spend all of your resources and time in a deck surrounding that card and then when you get it the card immediately gets nerfed and you can’t have fun anymore. 2. It really _isn’t_ actually that easy to know which cards are gonna be immediately nerfed,i mean sump monument and Epic Scraptraption have been steering up quite some uproar and haven’t gotten nerfed,and even if it’s obvious that a card/deck needs to get nerfed it’s still not obvious when it will get nerfed,let’s not forget Karma Sett who was basically untouched for four months.
Can't wait for snnuny to dunk on Nami. Totally ignoring fleet admiral shelly and burblefish. The rest of namis package were fun meme cards, so he won't talk much about them. So I expect he wants Nami to rot for the rest of time, never wanting her to ever even get reworked.
I loved playing Kindred, but I absolutely despised Lee Sin. So when they were both rotated, I accepted the sacrifice of Kindred to never have to play against overwhelm Lee Sin again.
i remember these days man. times were indeed tough. i couldnt even play lor because they got broken card meta that lasts 2 weeks straight. now the game is actually playable again
@@garoluis7366 So that the video can be as short as possible ? It's a great strategy imo , i was hooked in the 10 mins without pausing the video at all
Ezreal was a fair and reasonable card before the play/cast merge. That rules change was a horrendous change that never should of happened. Also, what back and forth gameplay? LoR hasn't had a back and forth since 2021.
I know that it would’ve likely been more complicated, but I really feel like Aphelios could’ve generated equipment, with on play or on attack effects. Obviously that would change a lot of the details in his play - equipping doesn’t go on the stack, you’d keep the weapons in hand after it’s user dies, etc. So things would have to change but still. Also - I still can’t fathom why evolve has no interaction whatsoever. It’s not keywords on board, it’s not attacking with keywords or anything else. It’s just having spent the mana on the units at some point during the game, regardless of whether they did literally anything besides being summoned or not. Kai’sa would be so much more manageable if there was any way to interact with evolving.
Ezreal and Lee Sin are still at the top when it comes to being designed by a dead orangutan, because a game known for interactivity and back and forth really needed burst lethal and the easiest OTK ever.
To be fair ezreal was designed way before the play/cast merge. Before that, you could actually remove/silence ezreal before the spells went off and take 0 damage from him.
HP buff will always be broken cuz it making removal cards becoming weak which is bad because trading a card for a unit is how thing supposed to work fairly. If they spent 1 more card to protect it, it's a fair trade because you forced opponent to use 1 more card which will make them will ran out of gas. Nami and aphelios landmark goes beyond that by generating infinte value and broke the power scale which is still not that worse compare to siren song as you just play 1 card and all your 1 cost unit got +1+1
The transition from one topic to the other is scary....everytime i'm like "yahh its time to skip this video" BAM the next one is in and I cant not watch it now that it's introduced can i?
I don't know if it's just me but I want to say that I like the EQ on your voice in this video! Compared to your other videos or at least the scripted intros to your VODs
You left out the most infamous card: Irelia with her blade dance archetype attacking 3-4 times in the enemy turn by turn 6. We had to suffer that shit for like 6 months. Ever since then the game went downhill.
The video is great, but it's a bit too fast paced and Imo would be better with some transition, less text on the screen and maybe some jokes. But it doesn't mean the video is bad. I would love to see more videos like this, and you're my favorite lor content creator for a reason :)
One more note about Poppy is that she's highly overpowered with Zed and Taric to the point where her stats is from 4/3 to 2/3. And ANY buff will make her broken again, considering her as sleeping dragon
They become problematics if you play them in specific deck. For example azirelia, its a miserable deck but if you play irelia without azir its kinda trash
i like this style of vid. but if u want any feedback, the transitions feel to quick. maybe its just me but after u say the sentence to tie the first card to the next maybe put an extra 2 seconds inbetween and like a picture of the card itself.
Great video but I think a little breathing room between could help. The transitions didn't really allow the viewer to conclude their own thoughts on each segment. Maybe a lil 2-3 second 'title card', containing a hint or joke towards the next champ/playstyle kinda element between each part with no voice over. Otherwise though, great as always
Ok snnuy so, i see why you didn't mention azirelia because it was an entire deck to play against, but how come you didn't put the first version of Grand Plaza or Hush?
tbh sion's deck was never an issue. jinx has always been a problem. by the time they nerfed his decks sion was actually already starting to decline naturally without any direct nerfs just because of the way the meta was moving ahead. twinblade currently is probably one of the most mediocre cards in the game, given that in some cases actually playing it is sometimes lower value than just discarding it a second time. this is also not to mention some other cards from his package like the reckoner being nerfed for its play outside of sions deck. again. his spells have been nerfed, his card has been nerfed, some of his cards have been buffed, but in ways that just dont matter. at one point they gave lady of blood an extra attack point. this never mattered, since she's not even meant to block or attack. his landmark, the grey apothecary, is best played outside of a deck like his. god sion is in such a sad state man. give twinblade challenger. give him his two attack back.
It's kinda sad how Kennen and many other cards and archetypes are not allowed to be playable in their actual decks because Ezreal would just snatch them up and make it all about himself
Bandle City killed the game for me. I haven't played since the whole Bandle Tree debacle. I really, really hate the pivot to randomness that LoR took during that time, as I was not interested in playing Hearthstone 2.0.
I will forever stand by Maokai is just the uninteractability of Ezreal combined with the effect of the Watcher- And its miserable to play against. Made me quit the game when he came out, and I have no idea why people somehow think he's so much better design. Theres nothing I can do to interact with my opponent going deep, they just play solitaire to do that. What am I gonna do, kill their minions? That also levels maokai. He doesnt even need to be on the field to level, so I cant kill maokai himself. He just comes down and the game is over. Burst speed on minion play. I'd rather fight a thralls deck every time, at least you can kill the watcher before it attacks.
They really need to buff lee again. I dont mind him being in the meta at a healthy level, at his prime he was disgusting. But holy shit I'd rather take 20 lee sin metas than elites or karma sett. They nerfed his problematic interactions (tellstones, double casting) why can't they just buff him back to needing 8 spells played. He's in eternal man
I dont even play this game anymore, but I still your videos. Keep it up! P.S. remember to take pauses. It felt like you were just rambling for 11 mins straight in this video, regardless tho. Its still a great video
???? There is so much misinformation and gross exaggerations in this video... Aphelios was still tier 1 even after the nerf, along with TF Fizz they made up more than 50% of played decks at high elo. "Completely unplayable" lmfao
This was a great video, Sunny, but I found some of the early transitions in the skript a bit jarring. It gets a lot better after Ezreal but I found the earlier segways a bit rough. "While this region did this thing, this champion (from a completely different region) did this thing" felt weird because of the disconnect. I think, it'd be better if you had written it in a way that was more about the effects rather the champions. So, "While (Region A)'s ability to suddenly do (...), this next regions ability to (...). (Card from the next region) was able to..." would probably make more sense. But I love the scripted content you've pushed out so far. Hope this feedback helps!
I'm pretty sure the meta we're in right now isn't better ... I'm fed up going up against nasus and shadow isles in general with their infinite removal spells ... Something needs to be done about it
@@ricardo64329 yes. Because the card that is broken not the combo. azirelia its not. Blade dance is broken not azir nor irelia... If you say "blade dance escaped this one XD" then it would be a valid comment reffering to the context
Bro during ezfucker/Serashit meta i would just play the game until i go against a reptile who plays the deck then i would just ALT+F4 and repeat the second day
You'd see me on that hill shouting that Lissandra was and is a very fair and balanced card that promoted slow control gameplay to transition into her wincon, The Watcher. She was never at fault. Its all the other bullshit she was paired with that made her go off the rails. And don't get me started with Irelia. First released Irelia was too oppressive that it was hard to beat her on curve with Azir on board. I was there during those dark ages, we don't speak of those dark ages and I hope to God we don't go back to those dark ages. Because that was a time of depression and blade dance was a mistake. Lee Sin was a fun champion to use; Got real boring when every other match was playing a near identical version of his deck. Poppy was nightmare fuel. Nerf her again and make her unplayable please Riot because I don't want to see her again. Shes the resident sleeper that can and will ruin my year. Yasuo was the early version of difficult but nothing you couldn't beat. WHEN THEY ADDED THAT LANDMARK (We won't speak of that hideous thing) thats when things got a little too naughty and I hope Riot reflects on that because don't do that again. Windswept Hillock in POC on the other hand is very spicy, I love bullying Veigo and Galio with it. Then theres Seraphine. I will not comment on this. I dare not comment on that thing because she nearly broke everything. Good Game Riot.
I'll die on this hill saying Lissandra wasn't at fault for the watcher control deck. Trundle's pillar and spectral matron made summoning watcher and leveling lissandra way too easy. I am so glad Trundle has moved out of standard
Too bad that The Watcher is still just a gimmick that can never trully be build around.
@@kiorodjirane8517 you can use the darkin fan to speed up the summon. Still not as fast as matron.
@@ReigoVassal The real issue is the pay off. Having a 11/17 body is nice but he don't have any keyword. For is effect, he needs to be able to attack and it isn't as easy as it sound + it's still just a timer. For exemple Maokai trigger on the spot and it isn't that 'great' either. It's more like a alternative wincon for Deep against control deck if thing go sour.
It was literally just matreon, all they had to do was add the text "that costs 10 mana or less" and all would have been fine, especially since all the following releases countered the deck anyways, so it would have gotten indirectly nerfed eigher way.
They should've tied the watchers effect to play somehow to avoid the synergy with spectral matron
It is actually so weird that Lee Sin was allowed to exist for so long. Ionia was meant to be a stall region with no wincon, otherwise it would have been unfair to play against. Like, Karma has a gamewinning effect but Ionia itself doesn't have spells worth being doubled. And Lee Sin was a real Ionian wincon. Surely, prior to Ionian hooker, Ionia couldn't give him overwhelm or scout to be a real threat but he still could hit face for about 10 damage and cheap elusives could do the rest. Only after rotation Lee Sin was re-imagined as Sett, who'se focus is purely removal and not making you quit the game.
Ionia Tellstones had Health Potion in it. With Karma, a single Tellstones equated 4 Health Potions.
so if ionia had 0 win con how u ment to win then ? just stall until the other player runs out of cards? u had yasou with his stuns for a some board clears
@@bl4ckhearts802 Back then Ionia had a unique feature "you can include cards from another region in your deck during deckbuilding". Don't know if they still have it, haven't played runeterra for a while.
@@misteltein3420 u literally can use 2 regions in any deck i played runeterra when it came out thats nt a unique feature
The reason why is that entrenched and established gameplay elements tend to be looked at in a biased way. Even if they're broken, they're excused for being fitting to the meta despite of it, with the reasoning behind it being different depending on your viewpoint. If you're a tournament player, the reasoning would be that Lee Sin is good (i.e. broken), therefore it's good to use in the tournament, therefore they want to use it. It's oxymoronic if you consider balance, but this is especially how one would feel if you're comfortable with the deck or you feel an appeal to authority to those who are comfortable with the deck. A developer might see it as an established gameplay quirk and not deliberately broken, sorta like how you might see Ravenous Flock in Noxus. A casual player might just like the deck and therefore feel that justifies Lee Sin. It's very clear though that if you looked at holistically and saliently, Lee Sin was broken. If you ever see that the reasoning about why a card is or is not broken differs a lot from viewpoint to viewpoint, it's a sign that that card isn't being assessed properly.
No mention of the Azir Irelia nightmare… and honestly I prefer it that way
Because azirelia is DECK not a CARD. this video context is CARD that broke runeterra not DECK that broke runeterra
We'll have to wait for the deck archetype version of this video before he mentions the Dark Ages of Azirelia
This video is very much about broken decks highlighted by a single card as the culprit. Irelia could easily be added to this list, requiring an entire game mechanic to be altered for balance.@@PanPan-ml1ip
Irelia azir, sett karma, lee sin alone himself, teemo zoe
Pink region is truly something
You’ve forgotten the Irella/Azir deck, which also happened to be given as a deck recipie in the shop, which needed to be nerfed multiple times in a row
You can block it and lose everything, or just take free damage 5 times a turn in either case, it's not very fun to be on the end of that deck.
Every time riot releases a card that scales hp, there’s always an expiration date as to how long it’ll last.
Temple
Nami
Grand Plaza
Siren Song
Hush 1st version
Sharp sight
it's the HP AND ATK. The scaling HP is nothing without the scaling ATK.
And they still haven't learned.
Fantastic video! I do think it'd help to have a more lengthy transition between points, since it can get difficult to follow along when one thing changes to another, and the ending felt so abrupt that when the next video autoplayed I thought it was part of this one. In any case I'd love to see more scripted videos
i agree
Yeah everytime he was Meta he made the game miserable
Please make more videos like this! As a long time player, this is kinda history content is so nice to see!
Wow, will we just skip the dominance of Azirelia and the Concurrent Timelines - Lendros combo?
Also Ez/Kennen when Kennen was first released should be in here.
I was curious too that the list is not complete maybe there is a part 2 or a tier list that broke runeterra entirely cause the vid is only as almost broke runeterra
Dreadros was a 50% win rate deck, it was just toxic and unfun, but by no means op
Ez/Kennen wasn't at all op because of Kennen. It was Ezreal carrying that deck, plus it was INSANELY hard to run that deck optimally at high ladder. One slip and the whole thing just fell behind. As for Azirelia I've always stood by it was strong, but not entirely broken when compared to the other broken cards on this list. These were cards that had to be completely rotated out or gutted of their identity in order to stop. Azirelia was mostly Irelia's fault, and on top of that Irelia was really only dominant in that list. Things like pre-nerf Bandle tree or Ezreal pre-rotate were constantly bouncing around all regions and combo's that even slightly enabled them. Kai'sa pre second skin nerf was impossible to truly stop. Her champ spell on top of shurimas slow down meant she was oppressive with not only Demacia, but her Bilgewater list with the scouts from that region was respectably strong if underplayed due to it struggling against demacia from lack of tough.
yeah ez kennen was killing ironia alliegance card.
@@zanosolfox I thought the teemo deck was more responsible for that, but still not kennens faukt
I think if the watcher could be mentioned due to its card interactions we could also certainly mention Zephyr sage, which was a force prior to its card text being changed to exclude itself.
Was shurima talked about. Because I thought azir/Irelia was game warping when it first came out.
Kai'sa was talked about
@@dragonic22 oh I forgot she was shurima. Still I felt that azir/Irelia might have just been as bad as Kai'sa when that was at full full power or even worse. But I remember that format very vaguely just the t3-t4 wins.
Azirelia is deck not a card
@@flamecloud19 The way I understand it, the video is going over 1 or 2 almost game killing cards per region. Like PanPan said: Azirelia was an entire deck. Unless there were 1 or 2 standout cards I'm forgetting? I remember a lot more than 2
@@dragonic22 I get that and for game killing card I was think just Irelia but I guess there was worse cards in that deck that also got nerfed. I just remember that azir was ok to play before the Irelia cards came out but when they did come out it made the format so fast. But I got idea wrong thinking it was just Irelia's fault.
Absolutely loved this video! The ammount of effort and dedication that you put into it really shows!
TLC being strong was never the watcher’s fault, spectral matron was the real problem in this deck.
It's so interesting to hear from someone who had kept constant updates of your game
I think some good honorable mentions would be The Arsenal, Concurrent Timelines (Ledros, Dreadway combo), The Veiled Temple, Unyielding Spirit, Wiggly Burblefish (with 1 mana Rummage).
And Yordle Explorer, Nerfed in less than 4 days after his launch...
addition of az-irelia meta, where flawless duet was 1 mana,
Acolyte landmark
Concurrent Timelines? It's LedDread
Fiora was also once a busted card
What he said about Kai'sa, that the game became more about rushing your win con rather than interacting with your opponent, has been true since way, way earlier than that. It was true already during the release of Shurima, with broken shit like Azirelia winning on turn 5 and TLC winning on turn 8, then Sivir/Akshan with flurry of fists killing you in one turn.
The difference I think is that in those eras there were still viable decks that looked to interact and counter your opponent wincon. In the kaisa era, basically all meta decks looked to just do their own thing faster than the opponent, because interacting with kai'sa was impossible (read: very high chance for your removal to be blocked, putting you into an even greater deficit) and Kai'sa would always win by turn 6-7 so the only other viable decks were those that seek to win sooner than that.
the background music and the voice over tone sounds like "top 10 ghost appearance in public" type of video. but the content is awesome.
Why did you make me remember the Bandle city and Seraphine metas... Awesome video though, besides flashbacks, 15/10
Dude, this was an amazing video. Thank you 🫡
Gotta give a shoutout to Azir Irelia as the deck that was sooo close to making many of us quit
I'd say a shout out, but it was waaaay less frustrating then Lee Sin. Azir/Irelia had retreat and homecoming as their only protections in most cases so Shadow Isles was still favorable, or at least somewhat more able to weather the explosive start. Agreed that it sucked though.
@jerianaleonarcturus6759 there's certainly an argument that peak Lee was more powerful for sure, I suppose the popularity of it was a big factor. Having 2/3 of the games per day be against Azirelia really plants it into my memory
I did quit and came back after months
Ezreal my beloved
Honestly imo another part of overloaded cards that are FUN to USE that no one talks about is how frustrating it is when a player (especially frustrating when its a new/casual player) may spend weeks building decks around that card only for it to get nerfed into oblivion,like i remember starting to play last year and i absolutely loved Nami (before you call me cringe i played Lux Nami,sometimes Fizz Nami but only vs AI cuz i feel like im too bad to play normal LOL) and when she got nerfed i felt like quitting the game because i had spent all of my resources and weeks of grinding into a champion that was now dead,i felt like quitting the game but then Seraphine released,i grinding again and literally the day after i got her the patch notes were released,and i actually quit the game until glory in Navori and idk if i would have started playing again if it wasn’t for the fact that i love Samira so i just had to be here when she got added into the game bruh
And yet again i spent weeks grinding for Siren Song decks and again,2 days after i got my meme Azir Evelynn Siren song deck the card just gets absolutely annihilated.
Like it just sucks when fun cards that you grind hard for get nerfed into the ground,like it’s so not fun :/
I understand how you feel, but honestly every single one of those cards you mentioned were broken and needed nerfs, and it wasn't like they didn't have plenty of time in the spotlight for anyone to make use of them. I agree with you that some cards don't tend to get the opportunity to bring out their potential before they're relegated, but Nami, Seraphine and Siren Song aren't really one of those cards.
@@Yous0147 My point isn’t that they didn’t have enough time in the spotlight,my point is that it’s so annoying and not fun when you spend weeks of grinding and all of your resources on a card/deck and then when you get it it gets nerfed to the ground,and sometimes you have no choice but to get the broken card/deck so that you can keep up with the rest of the meta,or you’re just someone looking for a admittedly broken but fun deck and when you finally get it it gets nerfed into absolute oblivion and is no longer fun,it just feels so bad.
If you keep up with the community, it's pretty easy to see which cards are going to get nerfed almost instantly, so just go for another deck. As a personal example, I saw that everybody thought Siren Song was too strong, so I crafted Neeko-Demacia and managed to climb pretty high with it
Avoiding cases like the ones you mentioned are just a case of keeping up with the meta
@@fenrirastrid3363 Problem is that:
1. I mentioned how some people just want to have fun vs AI/normal matches and don’t care about the meta,it feels so bad to just want to have fun with a admittedly OP card,spend all of your resources and time in a deck surrounding that card and then when you get it the card immediately gets nerfed and you can’t have fun anymore.
2. It really _isn’t_ actually that easy to know which cards are gonna be immediately nerfed,i mean sump monument and Epic Scraptraption have been steering up quite some uproar and haven’t gotten nerfed,and even if it’s obvious that a card/deck needs to get nerfed it’s still not obvious when it will get nerfed,let’s not forget Karma Sett who was basically untouched for four months.
Play Evellyn with Jayse. It's funny)
Surprised blade dance with azir wasn't listed. That meta didn't get addressed for like 8 months
cant believe i played every single deck from this deck...with the addition of Azirelia
Now that sir... was a trip down memory lane
Can't wait for snnuny to dunk on Nami. Totally ignoring fleet admiral shelly and burblefish.
The rest of namis package were fun meme cards, so he won't talk much about them.
So I expect he wants Nami to rot for the rest of time, never wanting her to ever even get reworked.
Admiral Shelly was (and still is) another part of the problem, but Idk if she was from Nami's package
I completely forgot about Lee Sin combo deck. That was by far one of my favorite decks aside from zombie Anivia
Sunny why didn't you include Fiddlesticks? I can't believe you would do him like that.
I love your videos about the old meta, iconic decks, etc.. Please keep bringing this type of videos
Im so happy that clip got shared to a wider audience
I remember before that I can't buy 3 lee sin copy and still managed to reach diamond with only 1 Lee Sin copy in my deck
I loved playing Kindred, but I absolutely despised Lee Sin. So when they were both rotated, I accepted the sacrifice of Kindred to never have to play against overwhelm Lee Sin again.
I love these type of Sunny’s videos the most !
aye love to see it man was really wanting a video like this and it’s blown back my expectations cheers snnuy for the great content
i remember these days man. times were indeed tough. i couldnt even play lor because they got broken card meta that lasts 2 weeks straight. now the game is actually playable again
The video was very good and informative, but I think it would have been nice to hear Snnuy's opinions as a conclusion.
Yeah it kinda felt like the video ended ubruptly
@@ephraimcarter7918 He is also going too fast imo. Like man, breathe between regions at least.
@@garoluis7366 So that the video can be as short as possible ? It's a great strategy imo , i was hooked in the 10 mins without pausing the video at all
Im surprised it was lost souls mentioned rather than legion deserter... that deserter viego deck was insane.
i remember when poppy was nerfed, some people are HELLA MAD for some reason..
Ezreal was a fair and reasonable card before the play/cast merge. That rules change was a horrendous change that never should of happened. Also, what back and forth gameplay? LoR hasn't had a back and forth since 2021.
TF/Fizz was the only thing in its time to really be able to say that it broke the game. And by far.
I know that it would’ve likely been more complicated, but I really feel like Aphelios could’ve generated equipment, with on play or on attack effects. Obviously that would change a lot of the details in his play - equipping doesn’t go on the stack, you’d keep the weapons in hand after it’s user dies, etc. So things would have to change but still.
Also - I still can’t fathom why evolve has no interaction whatsoever. It’s not keywords on board, it’s not attacking with keywords or anything else. It’s just having spent the mana on the units at some point during the game, regardless of whether they did literally anything besides being summoned or not. Kai’sa would be so much more manageable if there was any way to interact with evolving.
Ezreal and Lee Sin are still at the top when it comes to being designed by a dead orangutan, because a game known for interactivity and back and forth really needed burst lethal and the easiest OTK ever.
To be fair ezreal was designed way before the play/cast merge. Before that, you could actually remove/silence ezreal before the spells went off and take 0 damage from him.
nobody talked about having immortal barrels and basically permanently boost ur spell dmg
HP buff will always be broken cuz it making removal cards becoming weak which is bad because trading a card for a unit is how thing supposed to work fairly. If they spent 1 more card to protect it, it's a fair trade because you forced opponent to use 1 more card which will make them will ran out of gas. Nami and aphelios landmark goes beyond that by generating infinte value and broke the power scale which is still not that worse compare to siren song as you just play 1 card and all your 1 cost unit got +1+1
One might argue they did kill the game. This just kept happening over and over until too many people gave up.
Love these type of videos Sunny!!
Great video, thanks for all the time you put in
If i hade a nickel for every time aphelios broke a game on riots ip I would have two which is not a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice
Feels weird to watch a Snnuy video which is structured similarly to SunnyV2
I enjoyed it nonetheless
i watch you since 2020 @snnuy, but this... this is your best video every created, in my opinion
Dam he looks like a Link
While I like playing with Veigar ad Rumble, Bandle City was a mistake
Ezz, just like my name.
ive actually won against a lissandra deck with watcher on board after about 5 turns
The transition from one topic to the other is scary....everytime i'm like "yahh its time to skip this video" BAM the next one is in and I cant not watch it now that it's introduced can i?
How is it just now that I realized that Rubin Zoo looks so much like Brad Pitts... le mao
I don't know if it's just me but I want to say that I like the EQ on your voice in this video! Compared to your other videos or at least the scripted intros to your VODs
You left out the most infamous card: Irelia with her blade dance archetype attacking 3-4 times in the enemy turn by turn 6. We had to suffer that shit for like 6 months. Ever since then the game went downhill.
The video is great, but it's a bit too fast paced and Imo would be better with some transition, less text on the screen and maybe some jokes. But it doesn't mean the video is bad. I would love to see more videos like this, and you're my favorite lor content creator for a reason :)
I understand the change of BandleTree but that change just killed it.
Love the concept! Constructive criticism: have a little bigger of a pause between each segment of the video-the narration feels a tad bit rushed atm
One more note about Poppy is that she's highly overpowered with Zed and Taric to the point where her stats is from 4/3 to 2/3. And ANY buff will make her broken again, considering her as sleeping dragon
More specifically, she had to be nerfed TWICE since she was still by far the strongest champion as a 3/3.
And there was other champs being problematics: akshan pantheon, aatrox vayne, azirelia, ahri kennen, gnar, bardo, samira fizz...
They become problematics if you play them in specific deck. For example azirelia, its a miserable deck but if you play irelia without azir its kinda trash
i like this style of vid. but if u want any feedback, the transitions feel to quick. maybe its just me but after u say the sentence to tie the first card to the next maybe put an extra 2 seconds inbetween and like a picture of the card itself.
FIORAAAA! Remember those days where all deck was based on her
Great video but I think a little breathing room between could help. The transitions didn't really allow the viewer to conclude their own thoughts on each segment. Maybe a lil 2-3 second 'title card', containing a hint or joke towards the next champ/playstyle kinda element between each part with no voice over. Otherwise though, great as always
Snnuy forgot about more beginners guide
I like how there is no fiora shen
Thats easy to deal with, just kill fiora
Incredible how the first 10 seconds just describe very common yugioh cards
Is it just me or this video has the sunnyv2 style of video
Ok snnuy so, i see why you didn't mention azirelia because it was an entire deck to play against, but how come you didn't put the first version of Grand Plaza or Hush?
tbh sion's deck was never an issue. jinx has always been a problem. by the time they nerfed his decks sion was actually already starting to decline naturally without any direct nerfs just because of the way the meta was moving ahead.
twinblade currently is probably one of the most mediocre cards in the game, given that in some cases actually playing it is sometimes lower value than just discarding it a second time. this is also not to mention some other cards from his package like the reckoner being nerfed for its play outside of sions deck. again. his spells have been nerfed, his card has been nerfed, some of his cards have been buffed, but in ways that just dont matter. at one point they gave lady of blood an extra attack point. this never mattered, since she's not even meant to block or attack. his landmark, the grey apothecary, is best played outside of a deck like his.
god sion is in such a sad state man. give twinblade challenger. give him his two attack back.
It's kinda sad how Kennen and many other cards and archetypes are not allowed to be playable in their actual decks because Ezreal would just snatch them up and make it all about himself
Flavor win though
Im surprised not seeing blade dance featured here
Because azirelia is a DECK not a CARD
Bandle City killed the game for me. I haven't played since the whole Bandle Tree debacle. I really, really hate the pivot to randomness that LoR took during that time, as I was not interested in playing Hearthstone 2.0.
is crazy see how give life to a unit is something wrong if is infinity, nami and poppy were very opresive because you cant kill hers unity
I am suprised there is no blade dance in this video
Because azirelia is a DECK not a CARD
I’m confused, where’s irelia azir
I will forever stand by Maokai is just the uninteractability of Ezreal combined with the effect of the Watcher- And its miserable to play against. Made me quit the game when he came out, and I have no idea why people somehow think he's so much better design. Theres nothing I can do to interact with my opponent going deep, they just play solitaire to do that. What am I gonna do, kill their minions? That also levels maokai. He doesnt even need to be on the field to level, so I cant kill maokai himself. He just comes down and the game is over. Burst speed on minion play. I'd rather fight a thralls deck every time, at least you can kill the watcher before it attacks.
They really need to buff lee again. I dont mind him being in the meta at a healthy level, at his prime he was disgusting. But holy shit I'd rather take 20 lee sin metas than elites or karma sett.
They nerfed his problematic interactions (tellstones, double casting) why can't they just buff him back to needing 8 spells played. He's in eternal man
You didn't mention timeline the commander ledros and the dreadway,one of the broken combo in the game
I dont even play this game anymore, but I still your videos. Keep it up!
P.S. remember to take pauses. It felt like you were just rambling for 11 mins straight in this video, regardless tho. Its still a great video
What happened to ez in the thumbnail lol
Doesnt feel like Runaterra is still alive tho
You can just say IONIA and your video would be done. Seriously, almost no Ionian card is made to be interactive, just to deny ingeraction.
The fact you didn’t include irelia/azir just makes 0 sense lol
I want so badly to play lee sin again, I love this champion
???? There is so much misinformation and gross exaggerations in this video... Aphelios was still tier 1 even after the nerf, along with TF Fizz they made up more than 50% of played decks at high elo. "Completely unplayable" lmfao
bro was playing hearthstone and confused it for LoR 💀
Ey, no siren song??
This was a great video, Sunny, but I found some of the early transitions in the skript a bit jarring. It gets a lot better after Ezreal but I found the earlier segways a bit rough.
"While this region did this thing, this champion (from a completely different region) did this thing" felt weird because of the disconnect. I think, it'd be better if you had written it in a way that was more about the effects rather the champions.
So, "While (Region A)'s ability to suddenly do (...), this next regions ability to (...). (Card from the next region) was able to..." would probably make more sense.
But I love the scripted content you've pushed out so far. Hope this feedback helps!
It's been a wild ride! Wonder what's gonna break the game next
I'm pretty sure the meta we're in right now isn't better ... I'm fed up going up against nasus and shadow isles in general with their infinite removal spells ... Something needs to be done about it
You afraid of nasus? Use targon to silence their nasus
I love this type of videos.
So to sum it up, Demacia has been the most balanced region in the game :D
Azirelia escaped this one XD
Because azirelia is a deck not a card
@@PanPan-ml1ip Ezrral is a combo with other cards, but it doesn't matter , just a silly TH-cam comment
@@ricardo64329 yes. Because the card that is broken not the combo. azirelia its not. Blade dance is broken not azir nor irelia...
If you say "blade dance escaped this one XD" then it would be a valid comment reffering to the context
I loved playing Nami and havent played her since the plus2 plus 0 change. Regret buying the skin.
Bro during ezfucker/Serashit meta i would just play the game until i go against a reptile who plays the deck then i would just ALT+F4 and repeat the second day
You'd see me on that hill shouting that Lissandra was and is a very fair and balanced card that promoted slow control gameplay to transition into her wincon, The Watcher. She was never at fault.
Its all the other bullshit she was paired with that made her go off the rails. And don't get me started with Irelia. First released Irelia was too oppressive that it was hard to beat her on curve with Azir on board. I was there during those dark ages, we don't speak of those dark ages and I hope to God we don't go back to those dark ages. Because that was a time of depression and blade dance was a mistake. Lee Sin was a fun champion to use; Got real boring when every other match was playing a near identical version of his deck. Poppy was nightmare fuel. Nerf her again and make her unplayable please Riot because I don't want to see her again. Shes the resident sleeper that can and will ruin my year. Yasuo was the early version of difficult but nothing you couldn't beat. WHEN THEY ADDED THAT LANDMARK (We won't speak of that hideous thing) thats when things got a little too naughty and I hope Riot reflects on that because don't do that again. Windswept Hillock in POC on the other hand is very spicy, I love bullying Veigo and Galio with it.
Then theres Seraphine. I will not comment on this. I dare not comment on that thing because she nearly broke everything. Good Game Riot.
Funny how Aphelios was so broken in both LoL and LoR and got nerfed until no one plays them