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I think skins are eay to fix cerate a token for different values of skins if product you bought skin for gets out of standart then you get your token back to spend on something else. You won't get it back untill its rotates out so becareful because if it comes back next year and new skin doesn't rotate out then that mean you can't access your old skin anymore either
Me a dead Nautilus main and trying to make unique deck because i just love nautilus and kinda sea monsters but its just hard to build Combination with other heroes so trying to build solo nautilus with other legions other than shadow isles but can't find it so i get bored in game and delete it and download it again and again so i can build my own nautilus deck: huh what you guys talking about? 🧐
I actually don't even play competetiv, soo nothing is changing, but ounly what worry me is if they will release a reworked champion they will maybe delete old wariant
Removed? I'd rather see Sion/Jinx or some discard card rotated first. Card draw is... Overpowered in simply more than TF. I kinda liked how he was a bit of a gatekeeper in this regard. I guess we'll see? I love the champs rn personally. Fiora, Draven, so many classics. I don't think Darius needs to exist? At least not in his current state. Neither does Yuumi. But I'd love to see them return or be rebalanced. Illaoi I can see them rotating and it in general being a healthy thing for the game (remove champ-associated cards? How do you justify cards like Eye of Nagakaborous for example staying meta after a champ leaves?)
I would be all for Rotation where the cards are actually coming back. So not the last X years/expansions but specific list of X cards should be playable. It should contain all newer cards and a variaty of old ones.
yeah they say the cards will change every time they rotate but keep the same amount. maybe during one rotation Irelia will be back, but Azir is gona be gone per example since the two have the same niche we dont need the 2 at the same time
Yeah. They've been reworking champions with every patch and having an entire re-release of a champion would be a really cool addition to an expansion. I'd be fine if it was temporary, but having them gone more than 2 seasons (or forever) would be kind of annoying.
Incident here meaning, i'm assuming, left to play the infinatly more enjoyable game where you dont wanna blow ur brains out every time you q into aggro
@@pedrovilar6123 nooooooooooo, i can't play my fair and balanced decks that surely doesn't upset anyone because of aggro. yeah man, better play a game where 60% of the matches are won by pure location luck and the other 40% is because they got better lootboxes than you.
@@pedrovilar6123 it's not even aggro abusers ,as snuuy already mentioned in this video lor has a meta problem ,riot releasing 3 champs every update, they either turn out to be broken or unplayable
Because it's not Kayn that's broken. It's Vayne. That's like saying the Demacia scout barrier follower is OP when in fact it was launch version Kai'sa that was the problem.
@@iatwiatw of course, but the second champion is still Kayn. so he is the best champion for this archetype to support (mostly) backline Vayne, better than all the other on attack benefactors including demacia champs like Quinn (as an example). people could have gone 3 Vayne 2 Quinn 1 Kayn, if Kayn was only in there for the cultist region but they are not
@@goldenrevolver4460 quinn goes wide, and I don't think this deck goes wide enough for her. Kayn gives you the free draw, the interaction, the cultist cards, all to carry vayne. Have you seen that deck when they don't draw vayne? the winrate drops like crazy when you don't draw her, even memes decks can beat it
@@martinrodriguez1329 I agree with everything you said. You do agree though that that makes Kayn one of of, if not the best champ to pair with Vayne though right? Maybe after Vayne nerfs we can meme about Kayn again but right now he is doing great
LoR has a lot of great content creators, but these documentary-esque videos are really on another level. So well put together and important for this community. Awesome job Snnuy!
Gangplank is my favourite champion in LoR and in general for league related stuff, but I hope he gets rotated and remade into a new form. I mean they got that snazzy new Gangplank the Betrayer skin they can use for his base, and him dying to come back is kinda thematic for him at this point.
Knowing Riot policy, they will just straight up *remove* some cards and release their ,,reworked" versions, just like in league, so you better play your favorite cards while you can, because some will be gone forever.
I think it would be fair if Riot would give something like a wildcard skin token if the champion you bought a skin for gets rotated. So then you can apply it to any skin for any champion with the same cost until the previous champ is back. Also + respect for Undertale music
I remember a video from Khodok talking about card game mechanics and 'sins', and specifically about rotation how it does serve a purpose for rotating out toxic mechanics and giving the devs leeway to experiment and make things better. The only counterpoint about rotating that I remember was that a banlist would already fix this and that it could be seen as an excuse to sell more product... The difference is that LoR is a digital card game, and cards could be reworked, which they have done to various degrees of success, and the second part is that LoR is such a generous card game that I don't really see rotation as a problem. Now, I have to say that my perspective is one from someone who had been playing the game nearly non-stop since beta and I have the full collection + spare to complete at least a couple expansions more. That is not a fair representation for people who aren't on my situation or that are thinking about jumping into the game before rotation comes out. In my opinion, they should establish a safety net for people jumping into the game close to rotation so they can experience the game, but refund them some shards when rotation comes out so they don't feel like they just spent a bunch of resources for a bunch of cards that are pretty much going to be useless soon after.
The partial refund suggestion is a great idea, and one that should apply to cosmetics for rotated champs. Or maybe you could get a token that can let you swap one skin for another skin, one card back for another card back, etc.
I like the idea of reworking champions. Card games like mtg release legendries multiple times that are the same character but sometimes with a different themes and even with different color identities. Might be neat to see champions get reworked and maybe even have their themes changed. It is sad to compare champions like vlad to sera :( give the blood-boy a new design.
I'm a bit disappointed the 'get rotated' meme with the shark wasn't used in this one 😅 Otherwise I agree with most things you said, rotation is gonna be a huge opportunity for the devs. There are also some non-champion cards that could get rotated to change the meta big time.
On the pyke topic, I think we just need more variety of lurk cards in other regions. I had an idea about a piltover&zaun lurk card called the sewer monster that gave rally everytime you discard like 2 cards per round or when you don't have any cards on hand. The same goes with deep cards
I always hope for Ionian ninjas to be the new lurk. Possibly with akali and returning to hand or deck so you can synergy with her KDA spell and with attacking again (especially if you could trigger lurk again) so she and Pyke could be a thing.
I think you explained it all very well. Overall rotation is a matter that I’m very hesitant with, it sounds like a concept that could easily be screwed up and make things a lot worse, but your reasoning for why it’s necessary is very solid. In the end, I can only hope Riot does it justice, but overall I think it’ll benefit the game.
I’ve gotta be honest I think that some skin lines would actually work great as “alternate champions” where they count as the same champion as the original, but they have different card text
Yeah, as a person who plays MTG, I'm still surprised there is only one version of each champion after this long. I hope they do release different versions of champions one day like how Magic does with Legendaries and Planeswalkers
Before the video: I disagree with TF being rotated. I've seen Riot's argumentation, but as for me it is totally fine for a CARDMASTER to be a strong and unique card in a card game.
They could always reprint him in another form later but it's true that every draw cards effect can break TF. And you could still play him in 'Eternal' format.
I also would like for tf to stay in standard, I dont even play him, but I feel he keeps draw mechanics in line, drawing in a card game is op and power creep can take the game in annoying directions
Love this kind of videos, gameplay is fun and I always enjoy seeing you play, but you talking about the game in general is fascinating too. (Edit: Sorry my english is bad)
People: "omg all these metas are crazy good and awesome!" me still winning 67% of the time with the exact same celestial deck i've played since expansion 3:
One thing i've been wondering. Many card games with set rotation only have 2 formats. "Standard" and "Everything goes". It could also be fun to see the potential of a rotating mini-format. Like a weekly challenge containing only a few champions and their associated cards at a time. Almost similar to the free champ rotation in League. This could be a fun little way to force people out of the box. Give us quinn without mf for example. See what people can come up with in a heavily limited cardpool. Will this be balanced? Probably not, but it might be a fun side-format.
I actually have been waiting for this, it's going to make the game feel really fresh. I don't care about ranked too much so playing eternal is also not a problem when I want to experience my favorite champs again.
I'd like to see Lurking cards get more options but that being said, that's my favourite deck and I love Pyke and Rek'Sai the way they are. Will cards that get rotated out see re-works or will they just rot? Irelia isn't in a good game state so what's the point in bringing her back if she doesn't see changes?
Cool and insightful video! While it's sad to see some champs go, I hope that these rotations can create more room for creative and exciting cards which can reinvigorate LoR and its players!
My name is even "twist of fate" on runeterra and i mainly play decks that shape around tf its Just so sad to see that they will be rotating him... He was my main since i started to lor.
The most fun I had in Runeterra was when it first came out and I had no idea you could view cards you didn't own at least 1 copy of already. I knew you could buy additional copies of a card you'd already got in a chest, but didn't know you could buy a first copy without randomly finding it first. It may sound annoying to some of you but back then there wasn't much of a meta so it was actually really fun because every chest would potentially have brand new cards and effects that I'd never seen before. I remember when I saw snapvine for the first time and my brain exploded with all the possibilities of new decks I could build but I was so constrained by the small number of cards that I had that there was a genuine problem-solving element to deck building which was really fun! Now I look at all the cards in my collection and there's multiple cards that could fill the spot, usually with one clear meta choice - card rotations sound like they might put some artificial constraints into the game that will (counter-intuitively) allow for more creative deck building with otherwise unused cards. Sounds like a good thing to me.
What I would also like to see is changing the identity of a region to better go along with the theme of the year. Just like HS changes the core set nowadays. I am tired of the pink region bouncing back my units (deny and nopeify are fine) and probably shift it from being a combo region (getting kicked in the face hurts).
Wow! I love Pyke. Never really thought of the gold sharing passive from Pyke. It would be incredible if Pyke can generate coins per kill after Lv2. Rework on levelling him up is something Riot can work with. But still, great perspective, Snnuy :)
I don't think rotating a champion or set of cards because they only work in X deck/format/archetype/whatever is really a good reason for some champions to be rotated. Anivia only works in one deck and it's where she dies, a lot, and that's her whole thing. Reworking or rotating out some or any of the cards she would use would kill her, a lot more than she already is dead. Even rotating out Anivia doesn't do anything to solve the issue either. Rotate out Pyke and his package and then what does Rek'sai do? Nothing, the answer is nothing, no one would play Rek'sai or even consider her, unless they played the deck Snnuy did that one time. There are a number of champions like this where if even a part of their package is gone, they're just dead in the water and won't see play. As for the question of who I want removed: Viego, he caused me too much stress when I first started playing that I want him deader than he already is. Vice versa I'd be sad if they rotated out Riven, Shyvana or Taliyah since I love all of them the most and frequently play them.
I rather like the idea of ban lists over rotation. I get it would take a lot more work and certain archetypes would def feel kneecapped a bit with certain cards gone, but having entire archetypes just gone entirely just makes for more chances for stuff to go unanswered if a absolutely busted ones comes out when the counter got pushed into that eternal game mode
Ban is a dangerous road but if there is a free for all format acailable i don't mind. And if something is really OP, i think limitation is the way, like it with black lotus and moxes in mtg vintage, but it's not compatible with the region system of runeterra. Second time i'm typing this here but : You have to aknowledge the fact that the game you've been playing all along will still exist in the eternal format. If you do'nt agree with riot's decision it's even more a pertinent fact. And if you're not blizzard HS, rotation means that new expension won't have to keep powercreep to be interesting. So that's nice. And eternal synergie will take sometimes building up. I'm far more concern about the return of eternal champion in the standar format, since it never have been made in a good game, but why not.
The fact that the devs are open to bringing rotated cards BACK to Standard is great news. There will always be casualties in rotation, with or without skins, card backs, and other cosmetics. But at least there's hope that old cards can return in a healthier or more interesting environment. I am interested however in what people think about having the option to select one or two champs or even cards to ban before queuing in multiplayer. In other words, if you ban Seraphine for that session, you won't run into players that are currently queuing with a Seraphine in their deck. I saw that suggestion in a comment in another TH-cam video. That might be a good way to prevent burnout in between patches and expansions, but that could also lead to long queue times for certain decks.
I usually don't comment too much, but the quality of your videos keeps on increasing! I'm sure you'll be partnered when rotation comes. A true 2023 LoR buff. You make the game more fun for me, so thanks for that. Keep up the good work!
The way you see rotation making stuff viable will either help small fraction of underpowered cards, or will require removing third of all card pool. It will never be good. This will be just another irreversable design mistake like shurima and play/cast merge.
They could delete half the game but remove Lee-Sin and I'd still consider it a positive. You will not be missed. (As an aside your prepared content is top notch, looks like a ton of work but its entertaining and informative, keep it up, appreciate the effort).
I play yugioh as well as LoR and where as in ygo being no rotation, there's a banned and limited list instead which (should) get updated about every 3 months. This probably would not work for LoR but a card game can definitely stay alive despite having no rotations
Very excited for more ways to play runeterra, i think limiting the cards and rotating them in and out is healthy for LoR. I'm also excited about their limited modes. Would love to see something like competitive draft, sealed, or commander formats added... Even the chance to create your own custom rule set for friendly matches would make the game way more fun.
I wanted to return to LoR after taking a break of it to play Master Duel. So I updated the game, open it, saw tons of new stuff, got excited to upgrade my old decks, then I saw they added rotation... sure I could still play in the Eternal mode... but it doesn't feel right, is not even a separate ladder, that's like creating a duel room in Master Duel with the ban list off... so I closed the game, and sadly probably will never play it again. The worst part about it is that as far as I understand: -you can't dust your old cards to craft newer ones -there were no new levels added to level up regions. -the weekly vault can still drop rotated cards... all in all, the first impression I get from rotation is to get players to buy the wild cards and structure decks. If it is for balancing purposes, then maybe Riot should start adding restrictions to cards, and creating less generic cards.
I think a good way to think about rotation is that Eternal is not the format that's getting added - Standard is. The game as we play it right now is not going anywhere, and if you want to keep playing your favorite champion, you can still do it. Sure, it might not stay viable as more and more cards get added, but that's already the world we live in, as your pet decks remain at the mercy of the meta (like that Nasus example). On the other hand, on the off-chance that your main does not get rotated, it might actually get an opportunity to shine with a smaller card pool. I suppose someone might not like the gameplay that's usually associated with eternal formats, with faster games and uninteractable combos, but that change is inevitable and has nothing to do with rotation, so you will have to deal with it either way. Better do it sooner rather than later. Also, even such an insane card game as Shadowverse got a perfectly viable midrange deck that's legal in their eternal format, so I wouldn't discount entire playstyles just yet.
I have never heard of set rotation that removes cards from all playable modes in any game. There will most likely be 2 formats (standard and whatever the hell they call the non-rotating one).
if u think LOR alread have multiple copies of the same character, but diferent - we have Sena 2 times , one as a follower and one as a champion, we have 2 kahiri ( the young one and the old one), and we Have all the timeline of Citria from novice to general. and we have all the timeline of proff von yipp too
Don't like this idea. Why remove champs that people adore for obvious reasons?? Why not just rework them?? I swear if they touch viktor, aphelios, jayce, kayn, and recently coming out sett I'm gonna be very disappointed. Tbh I'm hoping it just stays for rank only and leave the rest alone since I don't play rank anymore
Yeah the only champ you can removed is Brokenrelia But Zoe Vlad and TF is kinda stupid because TF only is Broken BECAUSE Riot loves 2 DRAW CARDS per Region
@@Morfe02 i know the reason which is fine but I feel like they could've added a banning system like league if they are broken. I just don't like the idea of champs being removed because I'm very attached to them 😅
The reason I’m worried about rotation is I don’t care about what my champs I enjoy do, I care about who they are and if they’re playable and if they’re not in the game, then they’re not playable. And sure eternal format exists but what I worry about with the eternal format is that the LoR team doesn’t have the resources to balance that and won’t care to do so once rotation hits. They’ll focus entirely on the cards they want to put into the rotation and everything else will be untouched. So Poppy? I don’t think that my favorite champ in Runeterra and LoL will ever see a much needed buff following the Rally nerfs unless she’s one of the *very lucky few* to get touched up for Rotation.
fiddle better be in game by the summer of 2023. also just as an fyi league did have a total of 1 champ removed from all play for a total of 1 week (that wasn't bug related) that was GP during the burning tides event
As long as champions aren’t permanently rotated out skins won’t be useless and ppl can still play their favorite champions if they’re reintroduced reworked. It’s better than never seeing them in standard again
You cannot approach Runeterra rotation the same way as other card games because Runeterra releases packages and not sets. Every "set" in LoR, is literally just several champion packages and a smattering of cards for older champion packages. If you rotated, say the base set, suddenly all of those cards printed later that exist almost solely for Ashe synergy or Poro synergy, etc. will all become uselessly adrift in the metagame. You have to rotate packages, not sets, even when those packages are strewn over multiple sets.
What I am curious about is if certain archetypes get rotated and no similar strats take their place. I would feel less worried about Poppy getting rotated because demacia is full of a bunch of “play minions, buff them, attack” decks, but if something like Teemo got rotated would another very fun *though not really that meta* strategy like puffcaps come along to take its place?
I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like they do with some prestige skins and such in league, just re-releasing a champ with updated stats and effects. I mean, we already have two Sennas, so, why not, ya know? Some might be a bit more complicated to "rework", like Jhin for example, to keep them fresh, but I'm sure something's possible there.
The only thing between this and all other card games is this game has major balance patches and can remake cards (which is the same as your proposed replacing poorly designed champs). Card games with rotation just release the same cards with different artwork over and over again. I do think they could release multiple versions of the same champion just treat them kinda like Planeswalkers, where u can only have 1 champion of the same name out at a time. With rotation, LoR removes one of their biggest selling points, if you like a deck, you can play it.
I was against rotation, but seeing the snap incident made me realise how much anger inducing lor can be, we have a ton of cards and at the end of the day it's the same decks that outperform others, I hope rotation fixes this problem by having less possibility in deckbuilding but maybe it will be more fair
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Let me know what you think about Rotation and what champions you want to see REMOVED.
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I think skins are eay to fix
cerate a token for different values of skins
if product you bought skin for gets out of standart then you get your token back to spend on something else. You won't get it back untill its rotates out so becareful because if it comes back next year and new skin doesn't rotate out then that mean you can't access your old skin anymore either
Me a dead Nautilus main and trying to make unique deck because i just love nautilus and kinda sea monsters but its just hard to build Combination with other heroes so trying to build solo nautilus with other legions other than shadow isles but can't find it so i get bored in game and delete it and download it again and again so i can build my own nautilus deck: huh what you guys talking about? 🧐
I actually don't even play competetiv, soo nothing is changing, but ounly what worry me is if they will release a reworked champion they will maybe delete old wariant
Maokai
Removed? I'd rather see Sion/Jinx or some discard card rotated first. Card draw is... Overpowered in simply more than TF. I kinda liked how he was a bit of a gatekeeper in this regard. I guess we'll see?
I love the champs rn personally.
Fiora, Draven, so many classics.
I don't think Darius needs to exist?
At least not in his current state.
Neither does Yuumi. But I'd love to see them return or be rebalanced.
Illaoi I can see them rotating and it in general being a healthy thing for the game (remove champ-associated cards? How do you justify cards like Eye of Nagakaborous for example staying meta after a champ leaves?)
Im sad about Vlad rotating because scargrounds is my favourite mechanic that was never good, its just so different from all other decks
I would be all for Rotation where the cards are actually coming back. So not the last X years/expansions but specific list of X cards should be playable. It should contain all newer cards and a variaty of old ones.
yeah they say the cards will change every time they rotate but keep the same amount. maybe during one rotation Irelia will be back, but Azir is gona be gone per example since the two have the same niche we dont need the 2 at the same time
Kind of similar to the TeamFight Tactics sets
@@kaasboyzz yeah that is rigth. actually a good comparison
Yeah. They've been reworking champions with every patch and having an entire re-release of a champion would be a really cool addition to an expansion. I'd be fine if it was temporary, but having them gone more than 2 seasons (or forever) would be kind of annoying.
The mogwai SNAP Incident 🤣🤣
Lootboxes got mog acting unwise
I miss him :(
Incident here meaning, i'm assuming, left to play the infinatly more enjoyable game where you dont wanna blow ur brains out every time you q into aggro
@@pedrovilar6123 nooooooooooo, i can't play my fair and balanced decks that surely doesn't upset anyone because of aggro.
yeah man, better play a game where 60% of the matches are won by pure location luck and the other 40% is because they got better lootboxes than you.
@@pedrovilar6123 it's not even aggro abusers ,as snuuy already mentioned in this video lor has a meta problem ,riot releasing 3 champs every update, they either turn out to be broken or unplayable
The Kayn joke didn't age well with Kayn Vayne being the number 1 staple deck of worlds
more likely due to free attack being a broken mechanic.
Because it's not Kayn that's broken. It's Vayne. That's like saying the Demacia scout barrier follower is OP when in fact it was launch version Kai'sa that was the problem.
@@iatwiatw of course, but the second champion is still Kayn. so he is the best champion for this archetype to support (mostly) backline Vayne, better than all the other on attack benefactors including demacia champs like Quinn (as an example). people could have gone 3 Vayne 2 Quinn 1 Kayn, if Kayn was only in there for the cultist region but they are not
@@goldenrevolver4460 quinn goes wide, and I don't think this deck goes wide enough for her. Kayn gives you the free draw, the interaction, the cultist cards, all to carry vayne. Have you seen that deck when they don't draw vayne? the winrate drops like crazy when you don't draw her, even memes decks can beat it
@@martinrodriguez1329 I agree with everything you said. You do agree though that that makes Kayn one of of, if not the best champ to pair with Vayne though right? Maybe after Vayne nerfs we can meme about Kayn again but right now he is doing great
LoR has a lot of great content creators, but these documentary-esque videos are really on another level. So well put together and important for this community. Awesome job Snnuy!
“The snap incident” had me rolling haha
I just hope that rotation isn't an eternal "so long" but an actual rotation where cards come and go
well riot say in the devblog that rotatated cards will come and go, nothing is permanent
I told Riot in the survey that if they do rotations, I'm leaving.
Gangplank is my favourite champion in LoR and in general for league related stuff, but I hope he gets rotated and remade into a new form. I mean they got that snazzy new Gangplank the Betrayer skin they can use for his base, and him dying to come back is kinda thematic for him at this point.
Knowing Riot policy, they will just straight up *remove* some cards and release their ,,reworked" versions, just like in league, so you better play your favorite cards while you can, because some will be gone forever.
I think it would be fair if Riot would give something like a wildcard skin token if the champion you bought a skin for gets rotated. So then you can apply it to any skin for any champion with the same cost until the previous champ is back.
Also + respect for Undertale music
I remember a video from Khodok talking about card game mechanics and 'sins', and specifically about rotation how it does serve a purpose for rotating out toxic mechanics and giving the devs leeway to experiment and make things better. The only counterpoint about rotating that I remember was that a banlist would already fix this and that it could be seen as an excuse to sell more product...
The difference is that LoR is a digital card game, and cards could be reworked, which they have done to various degrees of success, and the second part is that LoR is such a generous card game that I don't really see rotation as a problem.
Now, I have to say that my perspective is one from someone who had been playing the game nearly non-stop since beta and I have the full collection + spare to complete at least a couple expansions more. That is not a fair representation for people who aren't on my situation or that are thinking about jumping into the game before rotation comes out. In my opinion, they should establish a safety net for people jumping into the game close to rotation so they can experience the game, but refund them some shards when rotation comes out so they don't feel like they just spent a bunch of resources for a bunch of cards that are pretty much going to be useless soon after.
The partial refund suggestion is a great idea, and one that should apply to cosmetics for rotated champs. Or maybe you could get a token that can let you swap one skin for another skin, one card back for another card back, etc.
Que o Ezreal seja levado pela rotação, amém!
Ezreal the champion killer, killed every single champion paired with it
Que o Ezreal coma nossos cus
amém!
Não matem meu boy riot
Ninguém aguenta mais esse loiro
I like the idea of reworking champions. Card games like mtg release legendries multiple times that are the same character but sometimes with a different themes and even with different color identities. Might be neat to see champions get reworked and maybe even have their themes changed. It is sad to compare champions like vlad to sera :( give the blood-boy a new design.
The question is, do we need rotation to do this? I have no idea why rotation is necessary instead of just reworking/balancing cards.
I'm a bit disappointed the 'get rotated' meme with the shark wasn't used in this one 😅
Otherwise I agree with most things you said, rotation is gonna be a huge opportunity for the devs. There are also some non-champion cards that could get rotated to change the meta big time.
Get rotated
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Idiot
On the pyke topic, I think we just need more variety of lurk cards in other regions. I had an idea about a piltover&zaun lurk card called the sewer monster that gave rally everytime you discard like 2 cards per round or when you don't have any cards on hand. The same goes with deep cards
I always hope for Ionian ninjas to be the new lurk. Possibly with akali and returning to hand or deck so you can synergy with her KDA spell and with attacking again (especially if you could trigger lurk again) so she and Pyke could be a thing.
The snap incident... 😭😭
I think you explained it all very well. Overall rotation is a matter that I’m very hesitant with, it sounds like a concept that could easily be screwed up and make things a lot worse, but your reasoning for why it’s necessary is very solid. In the end, I can only hope Riot does it justice, but overall I think it’ll benefit the game.
It will be the same as Hearthstone, turning the game into a PTW shiteshow that doesn't even end up being any more balanced. Mark my words.
The kermit bit is just a editing masterpiece at its finest
I’ve gotta be honest I think that some skin lines would actually work great as “alternate champions” where they count as the same champion as the original, but they have different card text
Yeah, as a person who plays MTG, I'm still surprised there is only one version of each champion after this long. I hope they do release different versions of champions one day like how Magic does with Legendaries and Planeswalkers
It all depends on whether riot is going to do a good job or not. I'm all for rotating a champion and bringing him back in a new form later.
Bro, it's riot. They're gonna find a way to F-up this.
The absolver was a mistake. Hell, giving overwhelm on burst is a mistake.
Make it focus and we're good.
Amazing writing and editing, as always. It's clear how much love you put into videos like this one, man
Hi snnuy! I'm in plat now thanks for all of the videos and advices in LOR.
Feels like rotation is a good excuse to completely forget about buff/reworking unplayable cards
Then don't talk about a prominent champion. It seems all over the place and not really focused.
What am I gonna do with my Treasure deck once tf is rotated >:(
Before the video: I disagree with TF being rotated. I've seen Riot's argumentation, but as for me it is totally fine for a CARDMASTER to be a strong and unique card in a card game.
That there is not just flavor over function, flavor just killed function, buried them in an unmarked grave and danced on the salted earth😊
this is the dumbest take i have heard
Delusional
They could always reprint him in another form later but it's true that every draw cards effect can break TF. And you could still play him in 'Eternal' format.
I also would like for tf to stay in standard, I dont even play him, but I feel he keeps draw mechanics in line, drawing in a card game is op and power creep can take the game in annoying directions
"Rotating cards is pretty much inevitable for any card game."
The Yu-Gi-Oh! TCG: "The f*ck it is! Watch me invent a new summoning mechanic next year!"
"amazing metas"
*Shows the meta where Lee Sin, Grand Plaza, Go Hard and Feel the Rush were the best decks in the game by a giant margin*
Love this kind of videos, gameplay is fun and I always enjoy seeing you play, but you talking about the game in general is fascinating too.
(Edit: Sorry my english is bad)
I’d always make really gimmicky Irelia decks like Hallow Blade Dance but I guess that’s gone now :(
People: "omg all these metas are crazy good and awesome!"
me still winning 67% of the time with the exact same celestial deck i've played since expansion 3:
One thing i've been wondering. Many card games with set rotation only have 2 formats. "Standard" and "Everything goes". It could also be fun to see the potential of a rotating mini-format. Like a weekly challenge containing only a few champions and their associated cards at a time. Almost similar to the free champ rotation in League. This could be a fun little way to force people out of the box. Give us quinn without mf for example. See what people can come up with in a heavily limited cardpool. Will this be balanced? Probably not, but it might be a fun side-format.
Beautiful video! Everything you said was on point, I'll be sharing this to anyone with questions about rotation 🙌
I would prefer a banlist like in Yu Gi Oh rather than rotation. I love how in YGO I can play with a 20 year old card whenever I want.
Let’s all remember that sunny is occasionally sponsored by Legends of Runeterra
I actually have been waiting for this, it's going to make the game feel really fresh. I don't care about ranked too much so playing eternal is also not a problem when I want to experience my favorite champs again.
your video quality is so good snnuy!! keep em coming
I'd like to see Lurking cards get more options but that being said, that's my favourite deck and I love Pyke and Rek'Sai the way they are. Will cards that get rotated out see re-works or will they just rot? Irelia isn't in a good game state so what's the point in bringing her back if she doesn't see changes?
Cool and insightful video! While it's sad to see some champs go, I hope that these rotations can create more room for creative and exciting cards which can reinvigorate LoR and its players!
Irelia going bye bye is music to my ears.
I can now expect Talon Azir Blade Dance.
My name is even "twist of fate" on runeterra and i mainly play decks that shape around tf its Just so sad to see that they will be rotating him... He was my main since i started to lor.
The most fun I had in Runeterra was when it first came out and I had no idea you could view cards you didn't own at least 1 copy of already. I knew you could buy additional copies of a card you'd already got in a chest, but didn't know you could buy a first copy without randomly finding it first. It may sound annoying to some of you but back then there wasn't much of a meta so it was actually really fun because every chest would potentially have brand new cards and effects that I'd never seen before. I remember when I saw snapvine for the first time and my brain exploded with all the possibilities of new decks I could build but I was so constrained by the small number of cards that I had that there was a genuine problem-solving element to deck building which was really fun! Now I look at all the cards in my collection and there's multiple cards that could fill the spot, usually with one clear meta choice - card rotations sound like they might put some artificial constraints into the game that will (counter-intuitively) allow for more creative deck building with otherwise unused cards. Sounds like a good thing to me.
Awesome detailed video Snnuy. I really enjoy these.
Big production value as always. Keep up the good work sir
What I would also like to see is changing the identity of a region to better go along with the theme of the year. Just like HS changes the core set nowadays. I am tired of the pink region bouncing back my units (deny and nopeify are fine) and probably shift it from being a combo region (getting kicked in the face hurts).
Rotate. Every. Rally. Card.
Music for the hears
im all about champions getting rotation changes with or without a new package, I dont want champions to get "removed"
I was thingking about champions switching regions lol
Love these video essay type videos snnuy, keep up the good content :D
is that my jam Boutique from X and Y?
The Kermit sync up killed me 🤣
I'd like Pyke to have a pull effect where he forces an enemy to attack.
this video is making me excited to play runeterra again. every time I lose faith in this game you give me hope. thank you :,)
That QUALITY version of a cyber world at the end tho 👌🏻
Wow! I love Pyke. Never really thought of the gold sharing passive from Pyke. It would be incredible if Pyke can generate coins per kill after Lv2. Rework on levelling him up is something Riot can work with. But still, great perspective, Snnuy :)
I'm hoping they only rotate non-champion cards. I would like to see champions played differently rather than deleted.
Another Snnuy banger, keep making the incredible content man!!
I don't think rotating a champion or set of cards because they only work in X deck/format/archetype/whatever is really a good reason for some champions to be rotated. Anivia only works in one deck and it's where she dies, a lot, and that's her whole thing. Reworking or rotating out some or any of the cards she would use would kill her, a lot more than she already is dead. Even rotating out Anivia doesn't do anything to solve the issue either. Rotate out Pyke and his package and then what does Rek'sai do? Nothing, the answer is nothing, no one would play Rek'sai or even consider her, unless they played the deck Snnuy did that one time. There are a number of champions like this where if even a part of their package is gone, they're just dead in the water and won't see play.
As for the question of who I want removed: Viego, he caused me too much stress when I first started playing that I want him deader than he already is.
Vice versa I'd be sad if they rotated out Riven, Shyvana or Taliyah since I love all of them the most and frequently play them.
I rather like the idea of ban lists over rotation. I get it would take a lot more work and certain archetypes would def feel kneecapped a bit with certain cards gone, but having entire archetypes just gone entirely just makes for more chances for stuff to go unanswered if a absolutely busted ones comes out when the counter got pushed into that eternal game mode
Ban is a dangerous road but if there is a free for all format acailable i don't mind. And if something is really OP, i think limitation is the way, like it with black lotus and moxes in mtg vintage, but it's not compatible with the region system of runeterra.
Second time i'm typing this here but :
You have to aknowledge the fact that the game you've been playing all along will still exist in the eternal format. If you do'nt agree with riot's decision it's even more a pertinent fact.
And if you're not blizzard HS, rotation means that new expension won't have to keep powercreep to be interesting. So that's nice. And eternal synergie will take sometimes building up. I'm far more concern about the return of eternal champion in the standar format, since it never have been made in a good game, but why not.
The fact that the devs are open to bringing rotated cards BACK to Standard is great news. There will always be casualties in rotation, with or without skins, card backs, and other cosmetics. But at least there's hope that old cards can return in a healthier or more interesting environment.
I am interested however in what people think about having the option to select one or two champs or even cards to ban before queuing in multiplayer. In other words, if you ban Seraphine for that session, you won't run into players that are currently queuing with a Seraphine in their deck. I saw that suggestion in a comment in another TH-cam video. That might be a good way to prevent burnout in between patches and expansions, but that could also lead to long queue times for certain decks.
I usually don't comment too much, but the quality of your videos keeps on increasing! I'm sure you'll be partnered when rotation comes. A true 2023 LoR buff. You make the game more fun for me, so thanks for that. Keep up the good work!
Great vid as always man, always wanted to get into runeterra. Rotations might be the push I need to try it
The way you see rotation making stuff viable will either help small fraction of underpowered cards, or will require removing third of all card pool. It will never be good.
This will be just another irreversable design mistake like shurima and play/cast merge.
Bro U are the best. delivering super informational video and making me laugh my ass off at the same time. Awesome humor awesome editing.
What a well made video! Thank you Snnuy man.
3:08 or that weird dangly thing, what's its called again?...Fiddlestroodle?
I play Cultist + Weaponmaster, so Kayn is MUCH better than Varus for me lol
They could delete half the game but remove Lee-Sin and I'd still consider it a positive. You will not be missed. (As an aside your prepared content is top notch, looks like a ton of work but its entertaining and informative, keep it up, appreciate the effort).
I'm sure rotation will save us from broken unfun metas. Just ask Magic and Hearthstone players I'm sure they'll agree
Oh god phew, my evelynn Soraka and miss fortune survived this round of elimination in the hunger games. I feel like I dodged a bullet
I play yugioh as well as LoR and where as in ygo being no rotation, there's a banned and limited list instead which (should) get updated about every 3 months. This probably would not work for LoR but a card game can definitely stay alive despite having no rotations
I'd love to see Renata and Silco get added at the same time. And I want Renata to have discard synergy
The mogwai snap incident kkkkkkk
I do think the current meta is really good to be fair
Very excited for more ways to play runeterra, i think limiting the cards and rotating them in and out is healthy for LoR. I'm also excited about their limited modes. Would love to see something like competitive draft, sealed, or commander formats added... Even the chance to create your own custom rule set for friendly matches would make the game way more fun.
how will they define rotation and will eternal develop it's own meta?
I wanted to return to LoR after taking a break of it to play Master Duel. So I updated the game, open it, saw tons of new stuff, got excited to upgrade my old decks, then I saw they added rotation... sure I could still play in the Eternal mode... but it doesn't feel right, is not even a separate ladder, that's like creating a duel room in Master Duel with the ban list off... so I closed the game, and sadly probably will never play it again.
The worst part about it is that as far as I understand:
-you can't dust your old cards to craft newer ones
-there were no new levels added to level up regions.
-the weekly vault can still drop rotated cards...
all in all, the first impression I get from rotation is to get players to buy the wild cards and structure decks. If it is for balancing purposes, then maybe Riot should start adding restrictions to cards, and creating less generic cards.
I think a good way to think about rotation is that Eternal is not the format that's getting added - Standard is. The game as we play it right now is not going anywhere, and if you want to keep playing your favorite champion, you can still do it. Sure, it might not stay viable as more and more cards get added, but that's already the world we live in, as your pet decks remain at the mercy of the meta (like that Nasus example). On the other hand, on the off-chance that your main does not get rotated, it might actually get an opportunity to shine with a smaller card pool. I suppose someone might not like the gameplay that's usually associated with eternal formats, with faster games and uninteractable combos, but that change is inevitable and has nothing to do with rotation, so you will have to deal with it either way. Better do it sooner rather than later.
Also, even such an insane card game as Shadowverse got a perfectly viable midrange deck that's legal in their eternal format, so I wouldn't discount entire playstyles just yet.
I have never heard of set rotation that removes cards from all playable modes in any game. There will most likely be 2 formats (standard and whatever the hell they call the non-rotating one).
if u think LOR alread have multiple copies of the same character, but diferent - we have Sena 2 times , one as a follower and one as a champion, we have 2 kahiri ( the young one and the old one), and we Have all the timeline of Citria from novice to general. and we have all the timeline of proff von yipp too
"The champions that are being rotated are:
Me: Pls dont be Gankplank or Twisted Fate!
"Yesnt."
Don't like this idea. Why remove champs that people adore for obvious reasons?? Why not just rework them?? I swear if they touch viktor, aphelios, jayce, kayn, and recently coming out sett I'm gonna be very disappointed. Tbh I'm hoping it just stays for rank only and leave the rest alone since I don't play rank anymore
Yeah the only champ you can removed is Brokenrelia
But Zoe Vlad and TF is kinda stupid because TF only is Broken BECAUSE Riot loves 2 DRAW CARDS per Region
@@Morfe02 i know the reason which is fine but I feel like they could've added a banning system like league if they are broken. I just don't like the idea of champs being removed because I'm very attached to them 😅
I hope with each expansion they rotate cards in and out, so no cards will forever be gone.
The reason I’m worried about rotation is I don’t care about what my champs I enjoy do, I care about who they are and if they’re playable and if they’re not in the game, then they’re not playable.
And sure eternal format exists but what I worry about with the eternal format is that the LoR team doesn’t have the resources to balance that and won’t care to do so once rotation hits. They’ll focus entirely on the cards they want to put into the rotation and everything else will be untouched. So Poppy? I don’t think that my favorite champ in Runeterra and LoL will ever see a much needed buff following the Rally nerfs unless she’s one of the *very lucky few* to get touched up for Rotation.
fiddle better be in game by the summer of 2023. also just as an fyi league did have a total of 1 champ removed from all play for a total of 1 week (that wasn't bug related) that was GP during the burning tides event
As long as champions aren’t permanently rotated out skins won’t be useless and ppl can still play their favorite champions if they’re reintroduced reworked. It’s better than never seeing them in standard again
You cannot approach Runeterra rotation the same way as other card games because Runeterra releases packages and not sets. Every "set" in LoR, is literally just several champion packages and a smattering of cards for older champion packages. If you rotated, say the base set, suddenly all of those cards printed later that exist almost solely for Ashe synergy or Poro synergy, etc. will all become uselessly adrift in the metagame. You have to rotate packages, not sets, even when those packages are strewn over multiple sets.
What I am curious about is if certain archetypes get rotated and no similar strats take their place. I would feel less worried about Poppy getting rotated because demacia is full of a bunch of “play minions, buff them, attack” decks, but if something like Teemo got rotated would another very fun *though not really that meta* strategy like puffcaps come along to take its place?
I wonder if Riot will rotate strong cards out instead of rotating based on time. Let’s them naturally lower power level
Yes, that's why they're rotating tf and irelia
Absolutely great vid! Very good edit, good script, ffs - good! :)
the snap incident, rip. i miss mogwai content, havent been able to get into snap though so :/
Every ccg fan thinks that THIS time there won't be a rotation
I wouldn't be surprised if they did something like they do with some prestige skins and such in league, just re-releasing a champ with updated stats and effects. I mean, we already have two Sennas, so, why not, ya know? Some might be a bit more complicated to "rework", like Jhin for example, to keep them fresh, but I'm sure something's possible there.
The only thing between this and all other card games is this game has major balance patches and can remake cards (which is the same as your proposed replacing poorly designed champs). Card games with rotation just release the same cards with different artwork over and over again. I do think they could release multiple versions of the same champion just treat them kinda like Planeswalkers, where u can only have 1 champion of the same name out at a time. With rotation, LoR removes one of their biggest selling points, if you like a deck, you can play it.
If they rotate cards I hope there is a way to claim the shards of the cards that are rotating for people that don’t plan on playing wild
I was against rotation, but seeing the snap incident made me realise how much anger inducing lor can be, we have a ton of cards and at the end of the day it's the same decks that outperform others, I hope rotation fixes this problem by having less possibility in deckbuilding but maybe it will be more fair
Very beautiful and well edited video...a good watch ❤❤