I love how straight to the point Bates and Violet are with each other since they never really have anything to do with each other And yet they perfectly understand each other
2:23 i love how he reached to tip his hat - even not really wearing one in this scene - to show respect and send the Dowager off. Attention to details.
I’m hoping we see Mr Molseley and Ms Baxter’s relationship flourish in the movie. He is nearly achieved all his life goals, but I feel his character still feels a desire for a companion.
I feel like they shouldn't be pushed together as a couple. They have a wonderful relationship as friends and that's how it should be. It's not necessary that every man and woman friendship has to turn into a relationship.
@@ashmitkumar3429 that’s exactly my point. I don’t mean that they need to marry or even venture into romance…. But they have a lovely relationship. I’d just like to see it a bit more on the next movie. I like their dynamic and chemistry. Just because someone is a companion doesn’t mean it’s a spouse or even partner, but someone that you can “do life With. I just like the characters and feel like they both deserve someone who they can comfortably be their selves and feel safe with. If that makes sense.
@@ashmitkumar3429 Yeah but I wouldn't mind if they did get married. Most everyone get's married eventually so why not let those two tie the knot since they already know each other? It makes more sense than introducing a bunch of unknown characters to be their spouses and honestly, I'm surprised neither are married yet when they are both on the older end.
I don’t say most, but there were plenty who knew everyone. This was also impressed on them (by their father) while growing up on that estate; they would be responsible for the welfare of every tenant. The latters’ lives depended on the owners supporting their village. I used to think (probably 3 decades ago) why are they so lazy, and can’t these aristocrats dress themselves till I learned in books they were responsible for the employment in the village.
I really hope this next movie gives Mr. Moseley some respect. He's constantly the butt of every joke but he deserves better than that. Let him actually get some respect.
@@stonem0013 Not at all. While in prison Bates learned some skills that, let's just say are Not taught at Oxford or Cambridge. He used those skills to write a note to himself in Mr. Mosely's handwriting to give him the loan from the Dowager Countess. That's why Bates went to see the Dowager. He knew that between the 2-Two of them, they could negotiate a plan to help Mosley settle his debts around the village.
Me too . And the best part is he would help me even if we were not friends . I think he would have helped everyone except o brien . And Green ( unless to step under a bus)
The dowager's 'Sprat can put up with it' attitude.The dowager accepting to see Bates is great! These are some of my favourite Bates scenes. He's so cool!
The Dowager should have let Spratt in on her plan. Spratt got the wrong idea and sabotaged any chance of Molesley getting that job as Lady Shackelton's new butler. Also, John Bates proved himself to be a man of various talents and a good friend to have in your corner!
but if he became the new butler, he might never have gotten the chance to be a teacher at the school! i'm glad things worked out the way they did. although, i do agree, it was frustrating to see spratt sabotage him like that
@@deborahpinkey1264 so what ? It was a bad thing for Thomas to try and sabotage Bates after he took over as valet for real. Here molesley was sabotaged for nothing . And Spratt suffered zero repercussions
I am shocked at Molesley calling out Mr Bates as "not friendly". Maybe all he's seen is how Bates and Thomas interact. My impression of Mr Bates has always been guarded but very friendly.
I find it funny. He’s also most definitely seen how Bates interacted with other characters and came up with the conclusion he didn’t have the friendly cover the other characters visioned.
I love mr bates in stuff like this. It's his own plot lines that are terrible though. Anna same thing. She is amazing with other characters and helping other people, but her own plot lines are just depressing without respite. Anna and John storie bits are the ones I skip every rewatch now. I really wish the writers had done more with them that isnt depressing drama. Like not even fun to watch drama, just depressing. But when Bates uses his skills for good he is so much fun. Showing off his clever side. He should have been able to show it off more. Anna also looks better happy then sad. And should have more meaningfull relations outside of bates and Mary. At least in the beginning she seemed close to Gwen as well. She really needed more on screen friends.
Bates: It concerns Mr. Molseley, The Younger. Dowager: You make him sound like a Greek Philosopher. Not sure who she was referring to: Olympiodorus, The Younger Seneca, The Younger Cato, The Younger
My thoughts immediately went to Pliny the Younger, a Roman magistrate, who wrote about how his uncle Pliny the Elder died in the eruption of Vesuvius in 79.
@@stonem0013 Take off those "rose colored glasses" 🕶️ Spratt thought that Mosley wanted his job. That he would swoop in, show off on front of the Dowager and her guest, only for Spratt to be served his notice. Had Carson behaved in such a manner, he'd be out on his ear in No time and be made a disgrace in the eyes of society. I doubt Lady Mary would come to his aid in that case.
@@m.layfette6249 carson ? Lol . Everyone upstairs thought he was perfect . Guy did not lose his job after literaly driving one of his underlyings to suicide and when he was telling the family to NOT go have tea at Mrs Patmore to help save her business . On the same day . Not even reprimanded
Ingenious way of saving Molesley and his honour/ pride/ integrity. What had Spratt done to him? Sth bad on purpose? Did Molesley get that butler position? He should never drink with that nervous system.
No, Bates changed his mind about going to London and never used the ticket. He knew if he did see the horrible Green he would have killed him, so he went to a pub in York. He didn't want Anna to suffer if he went to jail again. Moseley and Baxter found the pub to prove he never went to London on that fateful afternoon since Mary burned the unused ticket thinking she was helping Bates.
I love how straight to the point Bates and Violet are with each other since they never really have anything to do with each other And yet they perfectly understand each other
facts
Maybe she reasoned that the girls love Anna and if she has any judgement of character, Bates must be a good man.
"You make him sound like a Greek philosopher" I love the dowager 😂
2:23 i love how he reached to tip his hat - even not really wearing one in this scene - to show respect and send the Dowager off. Attention to details.
I’m hoping we see Mr Molseley and Ms Baxter’s relationship flourish in the movie. He is nearly achieved all his life goals, but I feel his character still feels a desire for a companion.
I feel like they shouldn't be pushed together as a couple. They have a wonderful relationship as friends and that's how it should be. It's not necessary that every man and woman friendship has to turn into a relationship.
@@ashmitkumar3429 that’s exactly my point. I don’t mean that they need to marry or even venture into romance…. But they have a lovely relationship. I’d just like to see it a bit more on the next movie. I like their dynamic and chemistry. Just because someone is a companion doesn’t mean it’s a spouse or even partner, but someone that you can “do life With.
I just like the characters and feel like they both deserve someone who they can comfortably be their selves and feel safe with. If that makes sense.
I hope he gets some, too. He really needs it.
@@ashmitkumar3429 Yeah but I wouldn't mind if they did get married. Most everyone get's married eventually so why not let those two tie the knot since they already know each other?
It makes more sense than introducing a bunch of unknown characters to be their spouses and honestly, I'm surprised neither are married yet when they are both on the older end.
I think Miss Baxter has the matter well in hand.
I like how invested Robert and Violet are in the community, and how they know each and every one of them.
They don't
I don’t say most, but there were plenty who knew everyone. This was also impressed on them (by their father) while growing up on that estate; they would be responsible for the welfare of every tenant. The latters’ lives depended on the owners supporting their village. I used to think (probably 3 decades ago) why are they so lazy, and can’t these aristocrats dress themselves till I learned in books they were responsible for the employment in the village.
They own it. Why wouldn't they?
The way the Dowager rolls up the window before Molesly the Elder can finish his goodbyes, is golden. 🤣🤣
Moseley's curtsey to their majesties NEVER GETS OLD!!🥰🥰🥰🥰🤣🤣🤣
I didn't know it was spelt Molesley
That was the most hilarious…it looked as though he split his pants while bowing!
I think Moseley's curtsy beats out Mr. Collins curtsy in Of Pride and Prejudice. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
My twenty-something son, who never watched DA, treated me to the movie because he knew I loved DA. He loved Moseley's curtsy.
I really hope this next movie gives Mr. Moseley some respect. He's constantly the butt of every joke but he deserves better than that. Let him actually get some respect.
Saw the new movie yesterday. It's fantastic in my opinion
You might say, one hopes he has the high ground in the next movie
"What I keep telling you, prison was an education." And what an education indeed Mr. Bates, what an education indeed.
made it sound like he'd swindled/defrauded the money he gave to Molsley lol
@@stonem0013 Not at all. While in prison Bates learned some skills that, let's just say are Not taught at Oxford or Cambridge. He used those skills to write a note to himself in Mr. Mosely's handwriting to give him the loan from the Dowager Countess. That's why Bates went to see the Dowager. He knew that between the 2-Two of them, they could negotiate a plan to help Mosley settle his debts around the village.
@@stonem0013 Mr Bates only uses his powers of forgery for _good_
If there was anyone I'd want to rely on if I was in a tight spot, it'd be John Bates...
Me too . And the best part is he would help me even if we were not friends . I think he would have helped everyone except o brien . And Green ( unless to step under a bus)
@@marionarda2790 i would run over Mr Green or Miss O’Brian any day
@@AC_RDR2_Q Personally I would let Miss O'Brien slip on a bar of bath soap.
@@scipioafricanus5871 LMAO i mean i won’t stop her
The dowager's 'Sprat can put up with it' attitude.The dowager accepting to see Bates is great! These are some of my favourite Bates scenes. He's so cool!
I think the whole family really respects Bates.
The Dowager should have let Spratt in on her plan. Spratt got the wrong idea and sabotaged any chance of Molesley getting that job as Lady Shackelton's new butler. Also, John Bates proved himself to be a man of various talents and a good friend to have in your corner!
but if he became the new butler, he might never have gotten the chance to be a teacher at the school! i'm glad things worked out the way they did. although, i do agree, it was frustrating to see spratt sabotage him like that
@@swimfree-1023 True. The paths our lives take!
I dont get why Spratt sabotaged him though . And why it was seen as funny and not cruel
@@marionarda2790 He thought Molesley was gonna take HIS job as the Dowager's butler.
@@deborahpinkey1264 so what ? It was a bad thing for Thomas to try and sabotage Bates after he took over as valet for real. Here molesley was sabotaged for nothing . And Spratt suffered zero repercussions
I love how old Mr Moseley tips an invisible cap to the Dowager.
I love how Bates Helped Molesley out
I like the little wave violet gives old Mr molsley
He's my favourite character in the show 🥰
My favourite charater ~
Lol so cute
Mr molesley was a favourite character of mine
I am shocked at Molesley calling out Mr Bates as "not friendly". Maybe all he's seen is how Bates and Thomas interact. My impression of Mr Bates has always been guarded but very friendly.
I find it funny. He’s also most definitely seen how Bates interacted with other characters and came up with the conclusion he didn’t have the friendly cover the other characters visioned.
I’m just roughly estimating this is 1924 so just for reference, 30£ back then is equivalent to 2100£ today.
Mr bates literally gave him 2k
Oh my God, you're right :O
Wow!
no, violet gave him 2k.
@@20252c Mr. Bate handed him 2k*****
I love mr bates in stuff like this. It's his own plot lines that are terrible though. Anna same thing. She is amazing with other characters and helping other people, but her own plot lines are just depressing without respite. Anna and John storie bits are the ones I skip every rewatch now. I really wish the writers had done more with them that isnt depressing drama. Like not even fun to watch drama, just depressing. But when Bates uses his skills for good he is so much fun. Showing off his clever side. He should have been able to show it off more. Anna also looks better happy then sad. And should have more meaningfull relations outside of bates and Mary. At least in the beginning she seemed close to Gwen as well. She really needed more on screen friends.
Aah I love this show! Time to watch it again ❤
John Bates, master forger!
It’s been a while since I watched this show - was this the first point in the show where Bates is revealed to be a forger?
The extended part of this episode was one of the few times that Mr. spratt got on my nerves!😑
Bates: It concerns Mr. Molseley, The Younger.
Dowager: You make him sound like a Greek Philosopher.
Not sure who she was referring to:
Olympiodorus, The Younger
Seneca, The Younger
Cato, The Younger
@2:40 😄
My thoughts immediately went to Pliny the Younger, a Roman magistrate, who wrote about how his uncle Pliny the Elder died in the eruption of Vesuvius in 79.
What Spratt did to Mr Mosley was both unforgivable and laughable.
he tried to help poor Mosley by shouting warning! But alas, Mosley was too slow and clumsy and the warning went unheeded
@@stonem0013 Only after he turned up the burners. And what respectable Butler would yell/shout during a dinner party.
@@m.layfette6249 a kind one, who wanted to help his fellow Butler!
@@stonem0013 Take off those "rose colored glasses" 🕶️ Spratt thought that Mosley wanted his job. That he would swoop in, show off on front of the Dowager and her guest, only for Spratt to be served his notice. Had Carson behaved in such a manner, he'd be out on his ear in No time and be made a disgrace in the eyes of society. I doubt Lady Mary would come to his aid in that case.
@@m.layfette6249 carson ? Lol . Everyone upstairs thought he was perfect . Guy did not lose his job after literaly driving one of his underlyings to suicide and when he was telling the family to NOT go have tea at Mrs Patmore to help save her business . On the same day . Not even reprimanded
I like Mr Baits the most he is some suspicious man
Ingenious way of saving Molesley and his honour/ pride/ integrity.
What had Spratt done to him? Sth bad on purpose? Did Molesley get that butler position? He should never drink with that nervous system.
GREAT
Bates definitely killed that guy.
No, Bates changed his mind about going to London and never used the ticket. He knew if he did see the horrible Green he would have killed him, so he went to a pub in York. He didn't want Anna to suffer if he went to jail again. Moseley and Baxter found the pub to prove he never went to London on that fateful afternoon since Mary burned the unused ticket thinking she was helping Bates.
Thomas's face
Good old Downton Shabby ... very shabby ....
💚 😳
I wonder how much £30 is in today's $$$.
About $1,200.00 in 2022. Close to a year's wages (servants also got room and board).
Mr Mosley is the epitome of a good-hearted fool ^~^ (but cringeworthy from time to time)
He's definitely not a fool seeing how he became a teacher eventually, and a good one.
Thomas knew something was up.