Why Did The Old Ones Create Humanity? | Warhammer 40K Lore
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00:00 - Intro
01:56 - The War In Heaven
03:07 - Faithful Fodder
07:36 - The Contingency
08:58 - The Ultimate Weapon
18:01 - Outro
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Krorks were not 12 feet tall, they were 12 METERS TALL.
Yep they would be 39ft tall
Yeah my bad
That is absolutely terrifying, their grots and snotlings would be primarch sized
@@LAV-III That point was hillarious
Imagine fighting a four story building that is mobile, armored, and armed with smaller titan level weapons... Now imagine that's the main foot soldier... Yeah. I'd rather the commissar grant me the emperor's mercy. 😂
"Why were pariahs made?"
"Because fuck you"
In the original lore the Pariah Gene is something the Necrons spread through the galaxy in order to infect Old Ones creations and curb their psychic potential
Ever wondered why humans are compatible with the Necron biotransference machines? That’s definitely a good topic to ponder.
Hmmmm good point!
@@livefromtheblacklibraryvideo subject for next week?
@Live! From The Black Library maybe humans were the bio weapon of the necrotyr to fight against the eldar and kroks
@@zeropsaftThis is great idea! Not only answer this why humana are such good for fight with aledari and krorks but also why necrons even like humana(not as much to not kill us all but still) and blanks could destroy Old Ones AND C'tans as mostly spirits but have no effect on necrons who have no soul.
I have an idea I have been shilling to GW. Vampiri based on a dangerous logic thought experiment, everyone built them they are billions of years old, and they want to consume energy just Trynidz and chaos are the focus
Humans really did have the Mantle of Responsibility
It always comes back to Halo
Amen
I like the last theory purely because it's almost scary enough to get the Eldar to stop posturing for few minutes.
YEAH LOL, gotta get them down a peg one way or another
Finally silence from mrwearesuperiornowebitrhslanneshFUCK
Cope harder monkey.
Yeah, but the old ones did not create blanks.
the necrons did
@@bobsterclause342ehh, i dont think the lore ever confirmed that more than suggested it
The irony of Harlequins being defeated by a book.
Get booked clown boy
This book is a great melee weapon!
Still why is there a ... um whatever the Harlequins are that are just psychotic 18th century French clowns?
I am laughing my ass off at how OP Blanks are against Eldar. I legit did not realize how big of a counter they were or how a Culexus assassin made *Eldard fucking Ulthran* basically shit himself
I wanna see PancreasNoWork’s reaction to this.
Wait seriously
Think of it for the elder a blank is like a predator from the movies is to us
@@knightblade0188culexus assassin are the perfect fucking predator for a psychic race
You are missing a big part about human v eldar. Eldar had gotten most of there tech from the old ones and over 60 million years, where as humanity in just like 50k years got atleast somewhat into that ball park by them selves. Humans also got screwed by there ai going rogue, which probably happened cause they tried to plug an ai into the warp without knowledge about chaos ( thanks for telling anyone about that big E)
11:45 Really weird that Eldrad thinks blanks and the Assassinorum blanks will be the ‘doom of humanity’ like in the grand scheme of things they are probably one of the safest things to be around since you’d have no worries about chaos issues just the sorta null aura they have.
Although I suppose an Eldar would think that with Blanks being that much of a threat to them.
Eldrad doesn't actually think that. He was projecting. He knows blanks absolutely demolishes Eldar and their technology and is incredibly butthurt that Humanity have them, while the Eldar have no counter to them. He's, in the quote, basically shitting himself out of absolute terror and just wants to cuss out whoever is responsible. He's basically telling Humanity to "choke on it" in what he believes could be his last moments.
@@SeffyzeroHow does humanity compare to the elf, when they are older than humans and smarter
@@user-cg2tw8pw7jyet they suck human D
@@user-cg2tw8pw7j Humanity is essentially a chosen race, they have pretty much everything and will gain everything if given enough time. They have pariahs and blanks to counter psykers, they have incredible psychic potential far surpassing eldar even at their peak if they reach their pinnacle of evolution, and they're also pretty good at science and regular technology as the golden age of technology has shown us. Basically, if humans survive for another hundred of thousands of years they'll win the setting, quite easily too.
@@user-cg2tw8pw7jwhen they have humans that counter their expertise then the intelligence gap means less
Yeah something that always bothered me about humanity. The Old Ones created humanity near the end of the War in Heaven, when they were losing the war against the C'tan, Necrons and then finally the Enslavers/Daemons of the Warp. The Old Ones response to a problem was to create a new race to deal with it all and then uplift them. Then point them at their problem and let them solve it. The war ends and humanity was never uplifted. But on its own Humanity out nowhere produces three things no other race has. The most powerful Pysker to have ever lived the EoM, true Immortals (perhaps like the Old Ones immortality) in the Perpetuals and Blanks/Nulls. While at the same time being generally a non-pysker race (though producing small numbers of pyskers since rise modern man 90,000 years ago) is said to be linked incredibly close to the Warp and Gods of Chaos even before numbering in the trillions. Then at end of Horus Hersey we have Eldred saying that Humanity is the bulwark against Chaos not the source of it. All suggesting Humanity was intend to be the Old Ones greatest weapon race/biological weapon. But the War in Heaven ended before they use them. But now millions of years later with fall of Aldari, rise of the Orks, wakening of the Necrons, the spread of Chaos and coming of Tyranids. Suddenly Humanity conveniently is the one force capable of saving all life in the galaxy? Suggesting Humanity is the Old Ones greatest creation, where the falling Eldar meets the rise Ork. Humanity may well be the Old Ones Doomsday weapon.
That would mean we are the Perfect weapon
To be fair, I think that the whole reason why Humanity is a seemingly psyker-free race is due to the version of the story of the EoM's creation where all the living psykers of the time sacrificed themselves to combine their souls into him. I think the point of that story is not just to explain the EoM, but also to presumably explain why there are zero psykers in recordered history up to the modern day.
I would assume that It could be possible that say the Eldar could have done something similar (if given motivation to do so and more freedom in their early years of course) to create the Emperor of the Aeldari or whatever and as a result would have had a similar course as humanity where most of them are not psychic but they have one exceptionally powerful leader. And conversely, if Humanity hadn't created the EoM, then psykers would have been much more common in human society and maybe we would have become a similarly purely psychic race as well.
On top of that, The Emperor is already known to have created a number of perpetuals directly, and it's possible that some of those may rarely pass on that gene to further children. So perhaps that aspect as well is simply a result of what humanity did rather than what the Old Ones would have pre-ordained.
So I think that it's more the Blanks that are the most noteworthy members of humanity in this regard, as mentioned in the video. I don't see a reason why humanity would have manifested blanks through their own actions, and it's something that is truly unique to humanity. So perhaps if the Old Ones had kept working with humanity, they would have made Blanks more common
They also made terminators
Which were pretty cool.
@@BlazeMakesGamesif I remember correctly, The way the afterlife works in 40k is that people are reincarnated. The reason why the shamans decided to all reincarnate into the same body of the EOM is because all of these souls of the cycles in humanity were being devoured after death but before they could be incarnated. The way the perpetual's work is that the soul is reincarnated with all of its knowledge and experiences intact. Thousands of souls are sacrificed to the astronomicon every single day. Could it be that the emperor needs to die in order to be reincarnated stronger than he was before?
@@Soloong_Gaybowzerwell, he probably turns into a god instead of reincarnating , but an order or a chaos god...also.if he dies Earth goes by bye
Humans are very obviously a balanced middle ground between orks and eldar as they seem to be extremes of conceptual design philsophy where the old ones took a look at their initial creations and decided to combine the best of both aspects while giving humans time to evolve. I think the problem with both the orks and the eldar is that essentially all their greatness was built into them on a pure instinctual level while humanity has to suffer to develop themselves.
Exactamundo
I think Humans being the counter of the Eldar works. Although I have a theory the Krorks didn't devolve into Orks, but are part of the Orkoid life cycle which requires the Old Ones to activate. Meaning rebelling Kroks would have to rely on the weaker Orks for reinforcements, while Loyalist Kroks would get Krok reinforcements alongside the Old Ones.
Ohhhhh interesting theory! My main theory was that they’re basically inbred at this point
@@livefromtheblacklibrary that is also possible and is the most accepted theory, but it's interesting we never hear about what the other Orkoids such as Grots were like during the time of the Kroks. Even Trazyn doesn't t have a Krork Grot and you would expect him to at least have one to show off the life cycle.
That's a solid design actually. I could see that being built in, and then not working out as intended.
I always thought the krok were sabotaged on a genetic level either by the Eldar or necrons.
There are references to "brainy boys" that are gone now. These "brainy boys" could be the old ones themselves or a another orciod that is no longer produced by the orcs. The source for this reference are the orcs themselves and they do not make for the most reliable source.
A thought, if mankind was made by the old ones, when the younger races woke the Primordial Annihilator, the foces of the annihilator saw what the Old Ones had planned for mankind. And co-opted it.
That could be possible! That or were just incomplete
There is an alternate time line out there, where humanity is used, and after a few 100,000 year mankind spawns an god of sacrifice and deference that helps to smash the necrons.
HOLY SHIT REALLY? I’d love to read that!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It dosent exist I just thought that it should XD
sorry to get your hopes up for nothing
@@Mrwarfull lol you bamboozled him
Just got did 😔
My personal theory was that the old ones uplifted life they found on earth and used it to create the Eldar and Jakero. What was left was either only minorly tampered with or left to evolve on its own. The reason humanity is better than the Eldar is we are the product of natural selection whilst they are a weapon crafted by their masters.
And we didn’t beef the single biggest lead in galactic history
Bro
hold up pause.
What is this splice job you just did?
There is no reason to think the old ones were not natural selection creatures just because some of the creatures they made were not, in fact, the reason they went extinct was because they failed their own belief, which was natural selection, which I imagine is what they came from or wanted to hold up..
See. Though shalt eveolve naturally.
They didn't even determine if it was true, that this was natural.
There creations on the other hand are a different story, but then again, maybe not. all the other life forms that were natural were going extinct.
Humanity was completely natural apparently. In fact, all species might not be fully natural.
And another thing not natural, nore by The Old Ones
he necrons made blanks
That's copy and paste.
You are talking aout litterally creating an anti psycher, which did not exist before.
They did more than just modify life, they created something new. No copy and paste. However they did this, it was a miricle. Imagine necron blanks though.
Here's the thing though, they discarded them.
But they have far more powerfull stuff.
In fact sinc ethey held back the warp, they probably develpoed the ability to destroy the eldar.
They already had better than blanks, or they would have kept them as the best anti psycher.
No.
Humans were not unique, in fact if the necrons made blanks, they probably could just make any species a balnk.
any species could be a blank species if the necron wanted to turn a species into blanks.
It's just garbage tech not worth their time
@@bobsterclause342 there is also a Theorie what Humans are Deamon with Mortal bodys as a old Tale talks about the Deamon king of Tzeentch named Israiel who nearly overtrow him and He and his Followers there cast out of the Warp in the Mortal realm these Deamons setteld down on earth and became the Humans we know these Days Weshammer has a Video on this if you want to know more
@@bobsterclause342🤓
This makes me believe more that at least one of the lost Primarchs had to be a pretty super powerful blank, without the drawbacks of being one, that even the Emperor was weary of.
God I hope Subject XI is actually a primarch that's also the super powerful blank I just mentioned who is only locked up because they could act as another contingency plan if chaos decides to invade Terra itself.
or the cotingency against the eldar if they ever regained their old strength and decided to fight mankind.
@@depressedphantom2552 Knowing of the "Primarchs' souls are lesser warp gods" theory by Majorkill, I'm not surprised if the surviving Primarchs' souls asides from Horus have unpredictable and existentially-threatening powers that neither chaos gods nor Emperor of Mankind could predict nor comprehend
Besides, the theory by Majorkill also argued that it's the reason of why Primarch's bodies are powerful albeit only separate vessels crafted by Emperor and some Terran scientists to contain their souls, hence there's limitations to their potency-benching to being hijacked through very specific rituals and timed temptations by chaos gods that they conveniently got from Emperor's horrible treatments to his own Primarch sons
This on top of how not even Emperor on the Golden Throne (let alone other warp entities, chaos gods or non-chaos warp gods) could predicted the returning Primarchs too adds further to this Majorkill theory of how unpredictable yet Destiny-bound Primarchs' potencies are, they're the literal dark Shounen protagonists (main characters) of Warhammer 40K
You could even say that Warp Sanguinius is more powerful under his two-split of Bright Dante and Dark Mephiston sides after too being worshipped by Sanguinius-oriented sects of Imperial cults after 10.000 years makes him separate yet sitting side-by-side from Mythopoeic power-through-belief worships of Emperor within Imperium, there's a lot of potentials to build something completely new for the settings while progressing the stories and existing lore, making ascended Sanguinius twin-souls akin to Metatron to YHWH of Essenes sect of ancient Judaism that separated itself from jewish Rabbis (Saducees and Pharisees) from Judea, although it's emphasises binitarianism and eve heretical ditheism at least from the Nicene Christian condemnation of their whacky arguments of whether Jesus, being human or "God"
@@ohamatchhams yes infact I'm a firm believer of the Primarchs warp god theory myself...... But that does not mean that the eleventh can't be a blank.... Infact making him a blank for whenever he actually is introduced into the scenario, would provide a lot of storytelling potential.... Imagine a blank among minor warp gods..... They would all be losing their collective shits....
I thought dorn was similar to a blank?
Humans strike me as the support services to the armed forces of Krork and Aeldari. The farmers and wall builders/holders etc.
Yeah! The engines of production to essentially fuel a forever war if it came to that
@@livefromtheblacklibrary So humanity in 40k would then be much older than humanity in our real world then? Man the timeline for the war in heaven is just confusing.
@@jonathanathor117yeah it's too damn far, there weren't even primates 65 million years ago. If it was to fit with paleontology then humanity would have to be naturally evolved rather than a created race in 40k.
A little sidenote for the quote about the eldar beating dark age of tech humanity. The quote says they beat the "soulless legions of your ancestors" last I read it.
So it's very likely that they beat the men of iron during their uprising which also lines up with xenos getting involved in the men of iron uprising.
Also I think the AI thing should also be thought about since the men of iron are very different to even the AI of the tau.
If we think about it humanity is the only other species to create sentient life. The T'au can copy and paste you into a computer, the necrons could do something similar. But humans made a separate species.
THATS TRUE! I had considered that as a possible tangent but I cut it for time
Fair enough then
Because of that quote I always thought the Eldar caused the men of iron revolt
I could see Modern Eldar who are a dying species do that but back when they were such a powerhouse with their own legion of robots (powered by spooky Eldar ghost souls or whatever) I doubt it
@@livefromtheblacklibrary yeah the eldar beat the men of Iron when humanity was already in a war with them, but the Eldar never BEAT humanity, they were more or less in a neutral and apathetic state with humanity, not really caring about them at all.
i like to think that the forgotten primarch was the emperors attempt at creating the ultimate anti psyker. he succeeded but then the sons got scattered so instead of being raised by big E himself as the ultimate weapon, he would end up on a normal planet go through more childhood trauma than kurze, mortarion and angron combined as the entire planet he was on could constantly feel his null aura and would likely unite against him.
I love the dramatic Susan scene. It really clarified a lot of lore that I was curious about
A lot of people forget the Sam O’Nella warhammer plot line tbh
I remembered the Pariah gene as being a product placed into humanity by the Necrons/C'tan, per the 3rd edition Necrons codex, but it's been quite some time since I read it and could be wrong.
I disagree slightly with the idea that humans were meant to be engines of production. I would classify it as more - that old standby, humanity’s greatest strength - adaptability.
The Eldar, the Orks, the Necrons, all are very non-adaptable. They have their ways, and that’s what they do. I mean the Eldar have literally spent millennia slowly dying out instead of simply approaching humanity and saying, “Hey, look. You don’t like us, we don’t like you, but the big bads are worse. How about you let us settle here and do our thing, we stop fucking around with you and assist you in combating our mutual enemy, and that Black Library you want? Let’s work something out.”
Knowledge for peace.
It's a evil deal that every empire has taken. And it is often the death of them. But humans will GLADLY sacrifice an Empire for knowledge.
What are you talking about? the Necrons, Orks and Eldar are adaptable, they wouldn't exist anymore if they weren't.
@@nobleman9393 I think he means is compromise.
I thought the eldar and golden age humans basically had a mutual agreement to leave each other alone as their tech was comparable to each other? I guess they must have fought at some point but for the most part were on pretty good terms with each other. Two huge empires with ludicrous technology, I really want more stories and lore on that period
Eldar : LMAO weak mon keigh can't kill our psychcic !
Human : *accidentally give birth to dark type*
Eldar : Wait, that's illegal
I think originally we were supposed to be the psychic equivalent of chicken or cattle a quick easily farmable force of food (souls) that provides food even in life (faith).
So after we were supposed to help them regrow their numbers and help keep Eldar in line with blanks but they never got to it.
Also humans were not used during the war because they feared necrons replicating blanks.
Interesting points! I hadn’t considered the cattle theory!
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It fits well insade the grimdark
You got Xeno brain, you forgot to mention humanity’s potential, The Man Emperor of the Imperium of Man, he’s the peak evolution of man and rightful rulers of the galaxy
True, how could I forget 😔
If the Emperor is the peak of human evolution then Humanity is superior to the Eldar
@@justinianthegreat1444 duh of course, the galaxy rightful rulers are man
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Emperor a rightfull ruler? Our stance is might makes right?
If you take a war. Or prolonged conflict. Than you win not by special forces. But by the "auxiliaries" or "support". In your videos.
Eldars psy support. Kroks schock troopers. Humans 2 best in effectivity. But best in sustainability. And that's how you grind enemy down.
when Warhammer 50k is finally complete and the franchise is looking for new materials, the war in heaven will be sick, I would love to play krork / elder eldar / old ones
Play kroks
You could easily kitbash a orc and space marine to get a smaller krok.
Actually i might do this a orc who found or built armor in the way of the kroks and works with a eldari to destory necrons and nids
Counter point: The emperor was the blue print for the Old One's planned Humans.
Dude this video was awesome! I love the fact that we as humans are just cannon fodder 🙂
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One point about faith:
Farsights comment is about faith in a cause, not only religious causes have this effect. However both works in the end and your take is interesting, nice grim dark, having humans looking up the Old Ones with 100% fanaticism.
Yeah, like the imperial cult spread even during the great crusade despite Emps best efforts, imagine if all powerful creators leaned into that willingly
A fun theory of mine is that the old ones were interrupted when making humans. They were aiming way higher; think custodes.
But since they were interrupted the project was left unsupervised for millions of years.
The emperor then realised that this shining possible future still possibly could be realised and the ultimate despair possibly avvoided, and along came 30 & 40k.
Sort of.
My head cannon was that humanity was supposed to be a race of god emperors since he was described as the pinnacle of human evolution and potential and the old ones guided and taught the eldar to their full potential and a human equivalent would be a race of god emperors which we also know this possible since it was one of the emperors end goals to eventually ascend everyone into beings like him
Yeah that’s my takeaway also, like we’re almost completed minis that got shelved
I thought in *OLD* lore, the Necrons had actually put the Pariah Gene in humans? Was that retconned into it being rare but innate -therefore intentional by The Old Ones?
What about the theory that Perpetuals are the final evolution of humans?
Do you think the Old Ones would evolve the human species into perpetuals if they truly guided humans into being their weapons?
Because it would make a lot of sense for the Olde Ones to create an immortal species and have them as their canon fodder.
Considering the fact that the war in heaven was fought over sixty million Terran years before the 41st Millennium, and that it has only been 2.5 million years since the appearance of Homo genus, as well as Homo erectus earliest confirmed occurrence being about 2 million years ago, I think the writers were a bit off when it comes to the timeline of events.
imagine if humanity was a independent species during the war in heaven
wait wait wiat wait. what did you mean, human traitors in the tau empire started manifesting a God??
Y E P look it up!
Humans should obviously breed for the pariah gene. Lots of them. Billions. More... Bwahahaha!
FUCK YOU NO MORE WARP
This seems to be a plan for the Custodies except they’re breeding humans through cloning technology.
I don’t think that the Old Ones “created” any race with the exclusion of the Krorks. They just seeded the galaxy with the blueprint for psychic races and waited for evolution to do its course. Once one of the emerging races was advanced enough the Old Ones presented themself to them to give them teaching or to use them as weapons… (I’m still not sold about the Old Ones being the good guys). This would also explain why aeldari, humans and jokaero (and even Orks) are all more or less primates in one way or another, they all developed from the same basic blueprints.
The Old Ones created the Krorks, Jokaro and Eldar. I don’t agree with the this theory of Old Ones creating humans as a weapon. Firstly the Krork being more advanced Orks make better attrition troops than humans. And furthermore, humans blanks are exceedingly rare. And furthermore unlike Orks and Eldar, humans evolved into a psychic race. The Orks and Eldar are inherently psychic. Plus humans (ignoring trans humans and psykers) are much-much less naturally suited to combat than Orks and Eldar.
@@Reyma777 maybe becauase the experiment was interrumped in the end of the war in heaven
@@Reyma777Humans were probably meant to logistics officers. Need food. Human farmers. Need to get something somewhere else on a planets surface, efficiently. Human railworkers. Need technology repaired on the battlefield, fast. Human mechanics.
Also humans intelligence is mid at best. But human ingenuity. Only Orcs even approach it.
It's a shame the Mechanicus is probably holding us back.
They didn't create us like they did the Orks, Jokaero and maybe Hrud.
Butvtgey did tinker with us by adding psychic potential.
They may have done the sane thing with the Aeldari. Unfortunately the War in Heaven ended before they came back for us
Considering how humanity cant help but contribute to the warp and the entities that live therein, could it also be that humanity was created to act as a collective battery on top of their military role?
If the old ones were on the backfoot and the realm of souls was chock-full of human souls, would that allow the old ones to channel said souls into greater and more destructive magics? We would take pressure off the eldar as well, leading to fewer eldar casualties and humabity being the primary fuel in this case. Eldar could strike more freely and use their talents to the fullest. Krork would have their flanks covered and could thusly push deeper into enemy lines, with us bringing up the rear and securing the advance. And the old ones would be able to supercharge themselves to contend with the c'tan.
Personally i think one of the last of the old ones created humanity, there is a theory that somehow 1 old one escaped the milky way galaxy, which is why Orks have an inbuilt legend that a great ork warboss is somewhere beyond the galaxy.
The Krork were the warrior race for the old ones so it would make sense for them to protect the old ones.
3:36 I think this trope in sci fi and fantasy is kind of funny. compared to a lot the other life on earth humans have pretty slow breeding. it takes 9 months for a embryo to fully develop and we don't have litters like a lot of animals, we mostly just have one baby at a time. on top of that it takes like 18 years for us to fully mature. Humans breed pretty slowly compared to most life on earth, but a lot of sci fi assumes that we would breed really quickly compared to most aliens.
Warhemmer fantasy is because they were trying to create the ultimate creature to fight against chaos
First was the lizardmen but they lack free will
Then orc but had to much free will
Then elf but had to much connection with magic
Then dwarfs but had very few conection with magic
Then finally came humans however they were easily computable
Then their greatest creation the ogres their perfect creation to destroy chaos was unfinished so they left
(Also they made giants and hobbit to be the ogres helpers but still also were unfinished together with the ogres) 😅
I really need to get into Fantasy lore
@@livefromtheblacklibrary old ones : ok humans were not so good as such observe chaos my ultimate weapon the ogre breeds faster than humans has magic resistance like dwarf can live forever has the ability to survive even brain damage
The chaos gods: pretty good(trow the curse of hunger then a asteroid ☄️)
Old ones: haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Wait, didn’t giants devolve from the Sky Titans? The ogres have remnants of the sky titans in the form of fuck-off big guns
@@themostmagicskeleton273 yes sky titans are the father of the giant race however because they were forced to do incest they become smaller. But they were made to be used kinda like helpers that’s why they are also found in Albion to protect sacred old ones places and assist other races
Fantasy Greenskins are aliens to the planet. They arrived in the Old One's ships as spores.
Dark age of technology humans would have crushed Eldar, but humans at the time were more peaceful and sought knowledge as opposed to conquest. Hence all the treaties at the time.
I’m not so sure tbh, the Eldar had some fucked superweapons back in the day (there’s a topic for a future video lol)
Humans had weapons on par with the necrons, nano machines that eat space time? Pretty sure Eldar didn't have that.
But I do look forward to your next video. Thank you for all that you do
Ayyy thanks man! Also do you have any sources on DAOT human weapons? That sounds awesome 👀 I heard a few mentions of things called “sun snuffers”
@@livefromtheblacklibrary the ark mechanicus had a Chrono Cannon, for example if the gun were to miss it's target on a Eldar ship, it would literally revert back time seconds later and adjust it's positioning and make sure it doesn't miss again.
"Not super psychically active" isn't that like their whole deal? They create their own psychic energy and can manipulate things in the material as a result?
It’s more of a background thing for them, not really their whole deal and it only matters in like LARGE numbers
@@livefromtheblacklibrary oh I see. Thanks. Good video btw.
I mean, the Necrons would likely have been a threat to humans if the war had continued that long. And the Ctan would absolutely have been.
we are the secret weapon against the old ones :D
Humanity is the secret weapon against humanity
@@livefromtheblacklibrary exactly, only we can defeat us hahaahah
the only strategy that would make sense for me is the one the emperor is already using, the old ones expected to use humanity to empower themselves in the warp
Legit the best lore video I seen in a while, truly awesome deep dive! Especially love your impressive coverage of the obscure and explaining well their relevancy.
Not 12 feet... Kroks could grow to 12 METERS.
WOOPS THATS WHAR I MEANR
12 feet makes more sense, though. Whoever came up with 12 meters obviously never heard of the square-cube law. A being 12 meters tall would need bones of steel, tissue density that defies belief, and a heart capable of squirting blood over a distance measured in kilometers.
IM DA BIGGEST BIR--- er--- ORK!
@@glrasshopper Well, Space Wizards, thats how
My head cannon of the Krork 'devolving' is similar to Jurassic Park 'Life always finds a way.' Basically the dinos were supposed to be kept alive by some chemical as a contingency but they mutated to produce it on their own.
Similarly Krorks were reliant on Old Ones for tech and they basically grew them in vats - they couldn't reproduce on their own. They were flash trained to understand tech but not build it and were flash trained strategy . But when the Old Ones disappeared the Krorks were forced to evolve to survive. Kind of like Ogryns. They didn't devolve they merely redistributed skill points - nerfing intelligence to free up more in toughness. The same is true for Krorks - now they could reproduce and even have a society - they now had squigs and gretchin to fill societal roles. Also arguably they could make tech from scrap now and use more of their latent psychic powers. Also there was something about some special mushrooms that buffed orks when they ate them and create sqiggots by feeding special mushrooms. Maybe they contained the chemistry needed to make them Krorks. Maybe they were old one Dinos after all.
We were made to replace their old creations.
WE ARE THE UPGRADE
If Kroks are like Orks, then they could also make more of themselves faster than humans, plus each individual is much stronger than human armies. Kroks would be so populus, depending on their fungal biology that they might outnumber fighting capable humans and be there for attrition.
humanity and the imperium is a walking talking plot armor . lol
I remember reading a really big fic where a reveal is that Big E is basically the last gambit of an Old One known as The Architect to wage war against chaos
Just found your channel and I have to say I love the content. I’m working my way through your backlog. This one kinda goes along with one of my pet theories. I personally think that the reason that humanity in 40k is wasn’t just a left behind projecting of the old ones but was actively sabotaged by the C’tan. If I remember correctly one of the few motives we actually know of theirs during the war in heaven was to keep the old ones from uplifting any more spices. It’s from one of the Necron books, I wanna say infinite and divine. I can’t remember off the top of my head.
This leads into my other point about the pariah gene. It seems like sabotage to me. Either to make the psychic human race implode or uncontrollable by the old ones, maybe both. It would also explain why there are so many variations of humans. It’s why there is only one big E in human history. Something kinda similar to the Genophage from Mass Effect, but instead of reducing numbers it reduced potential. It feels very on brand for humanity to of been able to have saved the galaxy but never could because their potential was stolen from them out of the gate.
Quite interesting take, haven't seen anyone coming with that up before. You're a good theory-crafter man. Orks were war machines, Eldar were warp/sensor devices, it would be natural that the Old Ones would need some kind of worker ants / cannon fodder duty race, to keep the war going on.
I see the Emperor has Perfected the Old Ones plan to using Humanity as Meat Shields! 🍷
In Cawl: The Great Works a C’tan shard mentions humanity being created by the Old Ones, so it is still in fact canon.
This just pushes how scary Pariahs are even in a WH40k setting. Just being near one makes psykers insane.
While i think the old ones would reasonably have no to very, very, veeeeeery little effect on humans, given they died out millions of years ago. I also know its fiction so that matters little.
My guess is humanity was ment to be an easily adaptable multitool. Every other race in 40k has little to no mutation even after millions of years they are relatively unchanged. With only two exceptions.
First exception being the tau, who intentionally seperated and bred themselves into different subspecies barely diffent enough to count.
And coincidentally enough their partners the kroot, who are more of a band aid force than an actually evolving race. Lose some krorks? Send in the kroot and you have a krork like race to hold till real reinforcements arrive. Same with eldar and any other race.
Now humans, 10k years even without the old ones guidance and you get squats, ratlings, ogryns, fish people, longshanks, plant people and so much more.
But wait! Theres more!!! Who needs a thousands of years when two normal baseline humans can produce a child who's an alpha plus psyker that would make most eldar balk or as you said a pariah that brings terror to all psychics and last but not least fucking perpetuals, immortals capable of returning even if completely disintegrated atom by atom.
I find the idea of the old ones making humans all perpetuals just to spite the necrons hilarious.
Also, as a side note, that was a pretty cool narration from Eldar point of view, nice voice acting man!
It is actually more likely the reverse of what you put on the roles of the Kork and Eldar. The Kork would be the main fighting force with the Eldar allowed to use their full psyker potential being the assault force. There was also the gods fighting and the OO would were even more powerful psykers.
As for the Kork reproduction it is almost certain that they had the same growth rate as the orks. The War in Heaven is the kind of conflict that would require that kind of growth and power. The reason they degraded is likely because most if not all the Kork nit captured were killed off. They lost the war afterall and the Necron decided to sleep because when the finished winning there was no one left to rule or fight. But because the Korks and orks grow from spores the battlefields where they died would eventually spawn new life. But these orks no longer had the leadership or direction so would default to their base programming which was fight and win.
And like other said the Eldar never said they beat Age of Technology Humanity. Just that they fought the Men of Iron which the Humans were also fighting.
Even that is likely a lie since the Eldar of that time were too busy trying to create a new God of Excess so rarely interacted with the Humans. And the current Eldar are the dredges and outcasts that ran because they were smart enough to see the writing on the wall. So they are the bitter remnant of the once ruler of the galaxy. A Shadow so broken that even the other fallen remnant Humanity is doing better than them. They would lie to try and maintain their superiority complex to themselves and Humanity.
I like the idea that humanity is all natural and then both Old Ones and Necrons messed around with humanities dna. you get psyker gene from old ones and pariah gene from necrons, Silent king specifically.
Great video!
I view it more as being a mid point between the orks and eldar not a fungus that releases thousands of spores and not an elf that has one kid every hundred years
Amazing video, very interesting. Subscribed
Thanks!
If I remember correctly I read in an old necron codex ( I believe the one with the necron pariah unit ) that the necron implanted the pariah-gene into humanity. And yes that could be a translation error because I have a non-english book.
Great thought provoking vid. Thanks.
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Damn. I've heard that excerpt about the assassin before, but I never knew it was fucking ELDRAD speaking. The fact that someone like him was so terrified by a single blank says volumes.
When the person from the previous generation you showed a Helldivers crazy frog music video to recognizes the theme from Beverly Hills Cop
I wouldn’t fully believe that humanity at their “peak” wasn’t enough for the eldar considering peak humanity wasn’t even focused on warfare but instead exploration and scientific studies.
Like to imagine the old ones made the humans like a contemporary art piece. Not because we are "beautiful" but because we are weak but strong enough to still be alive. Things that are closest to death at any moment.
The Old One's being the ones who seeded humanity indirectly is an interesting idea but personally; I see this piece of lore as no longer canon due to it being from the 3rd edition Necron codex,before the re-work of their lore in 5th edition. I'm not shitting on the video and the idea but The Old One's being behind everything makes the universe feel smaller. The lore with them creating The Aeldari and Kork is fine but I'm not a fan of the idea they made Humanity or even The Tyranids.
It was a really entertaining video and interesting idea though!
Yeah that’s fair, it was mostly a fun thought experiment
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It was fun to think about! God can you imagine Humans with Old One's tech?
Thats what the emperor said right before the webway project
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Oh god...now I'm glad I have no children
#LorgarWasRight
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Holy shit this video was awesome, really makes me want to start reading 40k
Aren't there necrontized blanks and aren't the old ones highly psychic.
Edit:When it comes to the pariah gene
Wait really? Lemme check on thsr
Weren't those human blanks being turned to the spooky necrons?
@@petra4385yes. Into humans fused with necron technology. So humannecron hybrids
WHHAAAAARRRR - nullification, nice
Also weren’t the Krorc up to 12 meters and not feet? Cuz that picture definitely shows it as more than a couple feet over the necron.
At this time when so many things rely on the warp that there are so many blanks are being born. What if there are enough blanks to shut down whole areas of the warp.
My god. Your voice acting has gotten so much better. Keep it up, dude. Love the content. Please keep making more.
Ayyyy thanks man! I really appreciate that!
Are humans really the best option for high reproduction rates. Limited birthing capacity, long gestation/maturation periods, and short fertility windows. Something more insect like would be a better model(Tyranids perhaps).
I did not expect Salmonella Academy to be here 😂
Brainsblast theory; While the knife ears are more powerful, the OOs linked humanity to their power of faith to make them more psychically flexible/adaptable.
Fun theory video. Humans are indeed terrifying.
Humans being lame in fantasy settings is do overdone lol
i think the Emperor, if this theory comes out to be true, wasnt made by "a shamanistic ritual suicide" but instead as the crux and the crowning achievement of humanity by either the last surviving old one or a group of them to help reset the galaxy to zero
Or the Emperor was the only successful product of the Old Ones efforts. The Emperor really is the man behind the curtain. In different books he appears as whatever he needs to be depending on the viewer. He speaks telepathically in any language he needs to.
With those abilities who is to know the Emperor's true form or identity? Maybe the Emperor is an Old One? Maybe he's an AI? Does the Emperor even know who he is?
@@Drgunzo616 he does know that one stupidly powerful Thu'um like language the old ones are expected to know
The Eldar weren't the old ones' main line, that was the krorks, the eldar were to fight the C'Tan and the Orks the necron.
Also I'd say there's a lot of "misconceptions"? Confusion? The orks did very much spread like a plague and infighting (some cheeky assassination by the eldar) was what led to their downfall. That's why the necron went in to hibernation, because they understood that they couldn't beat the Krorks by fighting them, they're the ultimate weapon, they got stronger, smarter, bigger, with conflict. So depriving them of said conflict would ultimately be their downfall
I thought the EoM created Humanity because it was his pet project towards the end of the WiH and then was himself recreated by Humanity millennia later. Like that whole Ouroboros thing. You know, it's not always a snake. There are some depicting a dragon.
Faith is energy in WH40K
Imagine the power of the Old Ones would have if worshiped as a God by humanity.
Humans could primarily be a backup species for production and manufacture (physical and warp stuff)... with the ability to be used cheaper canon fodder than the korks.
Tau: wait we got a god
Humans who are part of the tau: yeah we created him
Tau: wait what the fuck
Everything you attach to humans is actually the reason for Orks. Nothing, but maybe the nids breed faster than Orks.
This was good.
Humanity is just one of several hundreds of different races, with different combinations of different abilities, that the Old Ones created in an effort to ensure the highest possibility that there would be something that could take on the Necrontyr.
Sad part of warhammer is that never going to end, i wish one day i can see the humanity succeed
It’s over harlequin, i have the high ground
This is my new head Cannon
My personal head canon, is a bit different.
Yes the old ones (still) created humanity, but they did it to inhabit their souls.
The way the old ones became immortal was not by immortal bodies, because any machine will break down soner or later,
but by having their soul go to a new body after their death.
So they created the humans to inhabit their souls.
Unfortunately for them, the project took to long to really start up, so they had to spend a long time in the waiting room (chaos) and in this time forgot what they used to be before they got their new bodies.
This would explain how humanity was able to create at least 2 out of the 4 chaos gods, without the sacrifice Eldars had to do to bring Slanesh into the real world.
"Only humans..." Yet, Eldari create artificial blanks.
Question i never knew i wanted to ask
Not sure why but when you started the "darker purpose" section of the video, I thought "It's food isn't it?" 😆