@@samjo445 wtf is wrong with YOU? Why are you defending MONSTERS? Their son attempted to rape Kristen smart and their whole family participated in protecting him! That makes them accomplices. They terrorized the poor smart family for decades and you have the AUDACITY to come here and ask what is wrong with someone wanting JUSTICE?
So they all are involved. It appears they have moved Kristin 3 times in 25 years....why didn't Paul just tell the truth instead of dragging his whole family in this horrific crime? I pray for Justice 🙏 for Kristin and the Smart Family💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜
He should’ve. I totally agree. He was a grown man at the time, although still young, he was over 18, I would believe? I wish he’d just man up and tell where she is. Although if her remains are scattered in the other town they mentioned, that may be difficult, but still hopefully able to be done. I wonder how they knew she’d been moved 3x and the last time her remains scattered. Good police investing i would imagine? Edit: I couldn’t imagine losing your daughter and not knowing-but having a real gut feeling that Paul was involved but the police could never find her remains. And The Flores’ wouldn’t say anything, only to save their sorry asses. I was THRILLED when they reopened her case and arrested Paul & his father. I have a feeling Mama Flores is gonna go down next. She NEVER should’ve given that interview!! But I’m so thankful she did!! I also have been praying for justice for Kristin and her family!! I couldn’t imagine going ALMOST 3 decades with no answers as to where your child is 😭
His mom needs to be arrested too...a family rented a home from the Flores family said they believed her body was buried on that property. Kristin body still had her watch on it, that went off at 5 a.m. everyday for months. That was her alarm set for her lifeguard job. She was buried under that house.
@@markaurelius3119So true, it’s really creepy to see the lengths people will go. I am so happy that her parents kept the pressure on for 25 years! God Bless them 🙏
'You are from your father the devil'. And 2 tim 3:1-5 describes people in last days 'having no natural affection." But 'just a little while longer and the wicked one will be no more' ps 37: 10,11
My brother in law new Paul and would hang out with him along with other friends. One day my wife whom was a freshman in college was in her room studying with her door open. Paul had come over to their house in Arroyo Grande as they were going out to do something. Paul needed to use the bathroom and went up stairs. It was about '94 or '95......my wife felt a presence so she looked up and Paul was staring at her......expressionless motionless and silent from the open doorway. My wife asked if she could help him and he said he was looking for the bathroom. She said well this isn't it. Everyone thought he was weird and a pervert. Hindsight is 2020.
For some reason I doubt she’s there. I’m sure he rented the San Pedro home. They maybe learned their lesson to stop putting her remains at their houses. Man I hope they find her
If they can prove the other two helped they should be charged with tampering with evidence. Accessory after the fact. If they helped in 2020 then limitations dont apply yet.
The info that is coming out from the police has given me some thoughts and questions. The police said that "Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend worked through the night to move Kristin's body." Well, how do they know who was there? How do they know how long it took? I'm wondering if they either have video from something like a neighbor's doorbell camera or home surveillance system or if MAYBE (crossing fingers as I type this part lol) the boyfriend turned on Susan and Ruben.
@@OhLanie One of the warrants was for gathering the entire families electronic devices even the sister in Washington. They probably have them communicating about it and possibly even gps of them together at a certain time. Who knows
The family is sueing for distress and I hope they take every cent that family has ever accumulated. It still won’t be enough to remove their pain but the Flores family does not deserve anything, they got to walk free for 25 years knowing the smart family was tormented in grief with no closure. And STILL they won’t provide closure by coming clean. Disgusting.
@@cal2035 true and maybe not Paul but sounds like Ruben Flores tried to claim he needed his bail money but they were able to prove by documentation he had more than enough to cover his 250K bail. I’m sure the parents have retirement money but they will try to hide it.
They BELIEVE that is what happened. They don't have PROOF at this point. (Not yelling with the caps, just highlighting the words) That's the same reason they haven't arrested Susan as of yet. With all the movement in this case, don't give up hope. I actually think it's great they think her boyfriend was involved. He may love Susan but he since he's not Paul's father or Step father if they can get some leverage on him he doesn't have any real reason to be loyal to Paul and maybe (I'm crossing my fingers and PRAYING ) he'll turn on them.
@@OhLanie this is first I heard her boyfriend even knew. He was a realtor in the area? Right? It seemed ruben was in cahoots with pd the way they botched so much. Perhaps susan or the boyfriend already made a plea deal. I wonder what the new evidence was that lead to search at reubens in march
@@glorioskey This was the 1st I heard about the boyfriend being in on it too. I believe he is/was a realtor. I am so curious to see this go to trial. With the way these people have been thus far, I don't believe they'll take a plea. (Honestly, if I were the defense attorney I think I would push for trial. The police work in the beginning was crap so they can argue a lot on the early evidence.) The good news is if they go to trial we will get to see and hear what they have. I just hope Kristin's family gets what little closure they can from this. Those poor folks break my heart. Every time I hear the pride in their voice when they talk about her followed by the pain of that loss I can't help but cry.
The authorities announced that the statute of limitations has run out on all related acts EXCEPT MURDER. The mofos who might have helped the perp can’t be charged.
@@valleygirl2530 Wrong but for 1 reason. They believe LAST YEAR mother, father and moms boyfriend dug up and moved the body. If they can prove it they CAN charge them as an accessory after the fact.
They did just find human remains in California, LA area. The news said the area is heavily searched regularly because of missing hikers and the remains appeared to have been there a while/older.
The media and the police are still saying "possible" human remains and that the coroner's office will have to confirm they are human remains. I find that interesting for several reasons. They obviously didn't find a skull since that would make it easily identifiable as human, this has to be a partial set of remains. There must not be any clothing or belongings on or around the remains because that too could identify the remains as human. (And while this is a reach, the news has said the remains were "scattered" which seems to be how these possible remains were found, scattered. If the Flores family disposed of her body, I'm sure they would have removed any clothes or jewelry to make it difficult to identify her.) And finally, if there are only bones the remains had to be there quite a while.
@@OhLanie agreed! Hopefully they have answers soon. But, definitely makes you think. I feel like an ME or coroner would have been called out to the findings, and they would know almost immediately if it were animal bones. Hopefully someone is keeping an eye on the family because it’s pretty coincidental if it’s not Kristin’s remains.
@@heygusgus At least Paul was denied bail. I'm actually surprised given everything they released Ruben and didn't put an ankle monitor on him. The thing that is really making me feel a bit hopeful is that from what the police said it was Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend that "worked through the night" and moved her remains. Well, that made me think. How would police know who was there and how long it took? They have to have SOMETHING to make that statement. Ring doorbell footage from a neighbor? Did the boyfriend talk? The boyfriend being there is what gives me the most hope. He may be in love with Susan but he is not married to her and he is not Paul's step father. (Not to mention, rarely does the current boyfriend really like the ex husband lol) I'm hoping he is the linchpin in this and they can give him immunity to turn them ALL in but I would honestly settle for Ruben and Paul in jail.
Podcast described paul as having a bag one day. Its thought that bag contained her belongings. Besides theres the watch alarm that went off every am at 4;20 when kristin got up. It was in the planter bed under cement. Of which paul said he had to leave questioning to go cleanup. Strange indeed.
Omg if they have her biological material under that house then they don’t need a body. Her biological remains are the same as finding a leg or a skull for that matter! Bingo they got them. She was under their house the whole time How freaking sick! Put them all in Prison for accessories to murder!
Thats what I saying.... so the police found biological material but it was moved? Why didnt the police have it in custody if they found it? Im confused. Hope they update on this case frequently!
Maybe they were listening to all phonecalls or wiretaping through the internet line, then made a big amount of searches around, and after all tracking for next actions of family members
@@Andrew-qb8eh I really hope so. I lived in Shell Beach next to Arroyo Grande when she went missing. She has never been forgotten. I pray that there is justice even though very late. This is one of those moments in time where better late than never truly applies.
FYI: According to the podcast Your Own Backyard and news reports - No one can be charged with any crime Except MURDER in this case. The Statute of Limitations has run on all other related criminal acts in this case. Paul’s family members can provide evidence in this case, even confess to helping hide or dispose evidence, and they will not be charged. I’m betting on the father confessing so he can stay out of prison. What a SICK FAMILY 👹
There is no statute of limitation preventing the wrongful death suit. With any luck, James Murphy wants to make sure they lose EVERYTHING. He has my support!!
The info that is coming out from the police has given me some thoughts and questions. The police said that "Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend worked through the night to move Kristin's body." Well, how do they know who was there? How do they know how long it took? I'm wondering if they either have video from something like a neighbor's doorbell camera or home surveillance system or if MAYBE (crossing fingers as I type this part lol) the boyfriend turned on Susan and Ruben.
My understanding in reading what I can, is that the family emails and phone calls were all being monitored, and that's where a bulk of details are coming from.
The neighbors cotacted police. They took photos of all of their vehicles and reported hearing the 3 of them argue into the night, underneath the deck - they heard digging.
The trial hasn't even started and everyone is so convinced someone is guilty. I've been accused of things in the past I was completely innocent of, yet the linchmod people just like you all were so convinced I was guilty. Let the trial play out as it will..you never know, one day the shoe may be on the other foot. Imagine IF that family is innocent? How horrible to not only lose a young lady,but to also destroy an entire family.. To me,and the very little I know about this case it seems there is very little if any evidence outside of the Circumstantial Variety.and just as you all have your mind made up,one could also argue the law enforcement are trying to force a case where there may not be one..
There was DNA evidence proving he raped women, as well as several women coming forward suspecting they were drugged over the years. He was found in possession of video evidence engaged in sex with women who were not conscious or able to consent. Paul Flores was negotiating 2 different plea deals to disclose where Kristin's body is, in exchange for no prison sentence. Essentially, he has already admitted he is not "totally innocent"
I wish my parents cared about me this much. If I phoned them up in the middle of the night and told them I just murdered a lady I don't think they would have been so understanding.
WHY would a (longtime) ex-wife, the one whose ass you once kicked on a regular, bond you out of jail? I hope the Smart family gets ALL of the Flores' property...including the house in San Pedro. 25-26 year, equity & value doubling & tripling, they're in their 70s & 80s , living far from family, yet they never sold & moved??? Suspect. Susan didn't know initially, but eventually she did. That's probably why they bought the house in San Pedro & banished their son there. They never addressed the son's anger/rage. Like many parents do, they kept rewarding him for his bad behavior. What does the future hold for these elders? They've been in a hell of their own making since the disappearance of Kristen.
@@DMalltheway they would not charge someone with murder despite not having a body if they did not have enough evidence. even if they weren't responsible for her death, their son still stalked and assaulted other women, and deserve every bit of scrutiny coming their way.
@@AP-sh3gr Doesn’t matter, without a body there needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt he committed murder, defense has a solid case they could keep it at a reasonable doubt. They better have enough.
@@DMalltheway again, they do, because they could not arrest him without enough evidence, and would not have filed if they did not feel like they could win this case with the evidence they have.
@@AP-sh3gr Charging and convicting are two very different things, charging does not mean a conviction without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, not enough means not guilty. Let’s not rush to judgement until all facts of case is brought up in court.
Good for them! The Flores family needs to be held accountable for their actions. The police should have been watching these people 24/7, and this could have been prevented. But, then, this police department has a long history of not doing things they should be doing to locate Kristin's body. I hope the Smarts take the despicable parents for all they're worth. Obviously, it won't bring Kristin back, but it's the least they can do to hold the Flores family accountable for the terrible things they have done to the Smart family.
Once you’ve been served with a search warrant, How on earth were the perpetrators then allowed, given time & opportunity to remove the remains of a murdered girl & hide them elsewhere?? Surly this makes search warrants totally invalid if your given notice before it is carried out to remove any incriminating evidence that warrant is coming for???
@@OhLanie I don’t get it as former law enforcement we all know that once you rattle the suspects they will try to hide evidence or make calls ect ect . Some SK visits crime scene to relive incident 🤷🏼
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 There have been SO many "missteps" in this case. It is troubling to say the least. But, I have got so many questions about what they are currently saying/doing. I'm very curious what proof they have that she was buried there. They said in their press release that Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend "worked through the night to move the remains". How do they know who was there, what they were doing or how long it took? Doorbell or security footage? Did the boyfriend turn on them? (To ME that makes the most sense. He may be/have been in love with Susan but they aren't married so no spousal privilege. I could see him turning either because he has a conscience or because the police had leverage of some sort.
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 Interesting and crazy should be on my headstone lol. Kristin disappeared the night of my 21st birthday which I spent being a newly minted drinker. When it hit the national news and I heard about her it just felt unsettling to me. How someone can just vanish off the planet and how easily it could happen to anyone. Ever since then, this case has been in my mind. It got me interested in true crime which has evolved into reading books on how crimes are investigated. Sometimes when I hear hoofs I still think Zebras lol but I try to reign myself in lol.
SLO Sheriff’s Department is extremely lazy. They didn’t even bother to put a tail on Flores after they served him with a search warrant. The S.L.O. County Sheriff had one job to do and he blew it.
I remember when Kristen disappeared 25 odd years ago and they knew then who did it but they were too lazy or incompetent to follow up! Cal Poly police and the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's department are both guilty in that respect!! thank God they have a leader now that has the courage to move forward on this case! Locals are disgusted that right before the last search of the father's property it seems like the body was moved again and who knows where the parts were scattered now?? Paul's mother needs to be heavily investigated also as she has had no empathy for the Smart family's loss of their daughter!! in fact, it sounds like he had other assaults after Kristen Smarts so in a way she enabled her son's perverted ways!! I can't wait for this trial to begin but I imagine that it will be transferred out of here to Santa Barbara or San Francisco but it's my prayer that we get some justice for Kristen & her long suffering family!!
So, did Susan Flores gave that interview before this new development? Before they decided to move Kristin's remains once again? No sure I got the timeline correctly....
It is SO infuriating that he is out of jail. I don't want the Smart family to ever give up. The Flores' need CONSTANT monitoring. Phones, computers, everything. They are ALL guilty, and I don't care what anyone says about innocent until proven guilty. They have lied, lied, lied about everything. Why would they lie if they were innocent?
I think it’s only been announced that they found biological samples at Flors’ home - so it’s evidence she had been there (hopefully more than just cadaver dog scenting) - I haven’t heard that actual bones were found ... will look!
@@hlowrylong oh really? 😢 that is disappointing. I read another account from a tenant that lived in the house. Every morning at like 6:10 or 6:20 am she would hear beeping coming from the backyard. She had an alarm that went off every morning at that time to get to class or work. She said it was eerie.
@@crissytracy8517 I read about that too - something about it being earlier that the alarm would come out - like 5:00am, which correlated to the timing that KS would have had to get up for the early lifeguarding shift - or something like that - that is so eery too ... I’m not sure if that tenant is also reliable enough to testify - since it’s not direct evidence ... but it surely makes sense that there are a lot of weird quasi-evidence pieces ... that poor family and sweet daughter ...
If there is talk of a plea deal, can a complete dig be done of Susan's backyard and total demolition of the garage be done? Cadaver dogs did detect something. A complete search for further evidence should probably be done, preferably before a trial. Evidence strongly suggests this family moved her body maybe more than once. There is a very good chance at least some physical evidence exists here. If not, Susan won't be able to afford to keep the home for long!
The thing that concerns me and has for a long time is that so much of the evidence and clues where known many, many years ago based on what I have read and written by the news. I am under the impression that this could have been solved a long time ago, but for whatever reason, clues were ignored or missed. Is it possible that an investigator back then or the district attorneys office had inexperienced investigators and they didn't know what to do?? One thing I read was that they knew Flores was pouring cement at the house right after this happened, but didn't pursue digging that up even though he was a person of interest? Maybe I read the articles wrong????
I highly recomend the podcast. They admitted that mistakes were made. Which is so sad because seemingly other women were assaulted afterwards. If I understood correctly there was a search warrant which allowed law enforcement to dig up the whole yard. So they started and found nothing when they did get to the concrete part they debated if it was worth a lawsuit or pay the demages afterwards. And they decided against it. They regretted that decision later on but I think legally if you were granted a warrent and didn't search that part by your own choosing you wont get a second chance. However the Floreses filed a civil lawsuit against the smart s and in regards of discovery they had another chance to search the yard but that excluded the concrete I think. Like I said the podcast explains it much better.
1993 Front page slo tribune, " computer hackers tripped up. Then computer case takes a twist". Old slobyts computer club phone number no longer used and then the number was to a dermatologist office. People called the number thinking it was skobyes. When they did the doctors computer shit down. He called the police. Then police made the front page article. In it they said the master mind lives outside of the Area. Once the phone number was identified as the problem denial was still operating. The DA response in the slo tribune was, " we are aware of that theory". Incompetence. Computer clubs were before internet.
Yes if they can break them financially they won't have money for a defense in the criminal case. You know how it goes when people don't have good representation in trial cases. It's such a high profile case now I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers take this case like O.J Simpsons dream team. Look at all the evidence against him and a glove planted at the scene became the notorious if it doesn't fit you must acquit slogan . I am praying for justice for this family to prevail. People shouldn't have to endure such as they have for 25 yrs and not get the closure they deserve. PRAY PRAY PRAY for God's will to be done and all guilty parties be held accountable. I pray too that her body be found and she has a proper burial.
Although I don't doubt it one bit, but how do they know where the remains were taken and that they were scattered? They must have a really REALLY good source if they are confident in releasing this information to the press. They couldn't keep the poor girl together so that maybe one day her family can bring her home? Come on man, how much more sick, heartless and low will this Flores family go. And the dad just gets to go home so he can hang out on his tainted deck and reminisce about old times. They make want to puke.
After the warrant turned up nothing, they should have used hidden surveillance, knowing the search was going to stir up the hornet's nest. As a matter of fact, they could've ensure catching them red handed just by saying, "We will come back, we are getting a new type of ground penetrating radar that can find a bone fragment just an inch long under 50 feet of dirt and rock." Sure, it's a lie, but it would 100% guarantee that they'd dig the body up.
I'm thoroughly disgusted by the rubens lawyers daughter also on the defense team. Sure looks good having a female lawyer. Too bad it's his lawyers daughter. What a sell out.
If you're moving a body it's probably a good idea to take the soil surrounding the body as well as much as you can. Personally I'd have removed the body and torn down the deck and rented a small excavator to be completely thorough. If anyone asks what's going on just tell them you're rebuilding the deck and expanding it and installing gas and electrical lines.
It's about making them pay in any way possible, to pay a debt for what they stole from this girl and her family. Or there's always vigilante justice instead...
Of all the people that very tall drunk girl flew herself around at the frat party, her girlfriend left her, or did she, and they target the guy who escorted her home. Drunk people are very hard to deal with. She was much taller than him.She's 6'1. That whole party of witnesses need to be investigated. What's wrong here is the attacks and harassment the Flores family have endured with by the parents and this lawyer. They have paid the price for something no one has convicted them of. They're innocent until proven guilty. Guess we'll see. No body, no proof.
Just when you think humans can’t get any more stupid. Here comes Skystone with their dumb ass comment. Gold star for you, idiot! “She was tall and drunk so he couldn’t have murdered her” are you absolutely daft? Yes the answer is yes you absolutely are. 🤦🏻♀️ Have you even listened to the podcast? Are you Paul’s friend or something? Cringe.
Lol literally the stupidest explanation of all time. If she was as drunk as it seems she wouldn’t have been able to hold herself up. Let alone defend herself against Flores twerp. You sir are an idiot
@@beccawiinter it’s like Paul’s mom during her interview. “Of course the body isn’t buried here. We don’t have a fence” because you need a fence to have a body buried in your yard. Some people are just weird
They all should be charged.
Ruben studdered. Or his son did lmao.
@@OikPoinFive 😂🤣😂🤣
@@fidneusdiller8123 have you read one of the blogs and podcast? Ruben is absolute evil. No wonder paul is as he is.
What's done in the dark will come to the light.
You can run on for a long time, but sooner or later God will cut you down.
Take every penny they have. They also deserve to do time.
What is wrong with you?
@@samjo445 wtf is wrong with YOU? Why are you defending MONSTERS? Their son attempted to rape Kristen smart and their whole family participated in protecting him! That makes them accomplices. They terrorized the poor smart family for decades and you have the AUDACITY to come here and ask what is wrong with someone wanting JUSTICE?
Oh, they will be..
@@samjo445 what’s wrong with you ladyyyy?! Hope that it never happens to your kids or family then you wouldn’t be commenting such bullsh*t questions.
I suspect a Pattern of Family Pathology in this Case...
I don't see how there couldn't be...
Rotten Apple doesn't fall far from the Tree.
So they all are involved. It appears they have moved Kristin 3 times in 25 years....why didn't Paul just tell the truth instead of dragging his whole family in this horrific crime? I pray for Justice 🙏 for Kristin and the Smart Family💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜☔💜
He should’ve. I totally agree. He was a grown man at the time, although still young, he was over 18, I would believe? I wish he’d just man up and tell where she is. Although if her remains are scattered in the other town they mentioned, that may be difficult, but still hopefully able to be done. I wonder how they knew she’d been moved 3x and the last time her remains scattered. Good police investing i would imagine?
Edit: I couldn’t imagine losing your daughter and not knowing-but having a real gut feeling that Paul was involved but the police could never find her remains. And The Flores’ wouldn’t say anything, only to save their sorry asses. I was THRILLED when they reopened her case and arrested Paul & his father. I have a feeling Mama Flores is gonna go down next. She NEVER should’ve given that interview!! But I’m so thankful she did!! I also have been praying for justice for Kristin and her family!! I couldn’t imagine going ALMOST 3 decades with no answers as to where your child is 😭
His mom needs to be arrested too...a family rented a home from the Flores family said they believed her body was buried on that property. Kristin body still had her watch on it, that went off at 5 a.m. everyday for months. That was her alarm set for her lifeguard job. She was buried under that house.
@@temsbaby2810 Actually the alarm was at 420 every morning since she had to be at work at 5. I found that watch to be VERY damning for Paul.
Crazy people and drug addicted people don't think in logical ways.
@@temsbaby2810 where did you hear this regarding her watch still on her? The podcast?
Omg how are there such evil humans! How could they do this knowing the pain her family was in. So awful.
They are the devil, they have no empathy.. And that is one of a few things that makes us human.
@@markaurelius3119So true, it’s really creepy to see the lengths people will go. I am so happy that her parents kept the pressure on for 25 years! God Bless them 🙏
'You are from your father the devil'. And 2 tim 3:1-5 describes people in last days 'having no natural affection." But 'just a little while longer and the wicked one will be no more' ps 37: 10,11
@@glorioskey Amen 🙏💕🙏
@@glorioskey Exodus 21:20 says you can own and beat slaves so long as they don’t die within a few days.....
My brother in law new Paul and would hang out with him along with other friends. One day my wife whom was a freshman in college was in her room studying with her door open. Paul had come over to their house in Arroyo Grande as they were going out to do something. Paul needed to use the bathroom and went up stairs. It was about '94 or '95......my wife felt a presence so she looked up and Paul was staring at her......expressionless motionless and silent from the open doorway. My wife asked if she could help him and he said he was looking for the bathroom. She said well this isn't it. Everyone thought he was weird and a pervert. Hindsight is 2020.
Wow!!!!! He’s sick!!
I’m glad your wife is ok.
They need to check the San Pedro property and the land that it's backed up to.
Stop dying your hair bytch
@@kidsundance9021 Stop telling people what to do bish 👍
@@xtinamarie_333 I think you hit a nerve ! 👍👍👍👍👍💖
@@kidsundance9021 ok Susan Flores 🙄 stfu
For some reason I doubt she’s there. I’m sure he rented the San Pedro home. They maybe learned their lesson to stop putting her remains at their houses. Man I hope they find her
Finally pls this family needs their daughter.
If they can prove the other two helped they should be charged with tampering with evidence. Accessory after the fact. If they helped in 2020 then limitations dont apply yet.
desecration of a dead body....pretty serious
Exactly
The info that is coming out from the police has given me some thoughts and questions. The police said that "Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend worked through the night to move Kristin's body." Well, how do they know who was there? How do they know how long it took? I'm wondering if they either have video from something like a neighbor's doorbell camera or home surveillance system or if MAYBE (crossing fingers as I type this part lol) the boyfriend turned on Susan and Ruben.
@@OhLanie One of the warrants was for gathering the entire families electronic devices even the sister in Washington. They probably have them communicating about it and possibly even gps of them together at a certain time. Who knows
@@OhLanie ruben studderd! Or his 40 y\o virgin son studders.
The family is sueing for distress and I hope they take every cent that family has ever accumulated. It still won’t be enough to remove their pain but the Flores family does not deserve anything, they got to walk free for 25 years knowing the smart family was tormented in grief with no closure. And STILL they won’t provide closure by coming clean. Disgusting.
Let’s be real. They didn’t accumulate Jack shit
@@cal2035 true and maybe not Paul but sounds like Ruben Flores tried to claim he needed his bail money but they were able to prove by documentation he had more than enough to cover his 250K bail. I’m sure the parents have retirement money but they will try to hide it.
Well if the mothers boyfriend is alleged to have help remove the remains, why is he not charged also?
They BELIEVE that is what happened. They don't have PROOF at this point. (Not yelling with the caps, just highlighting the words) That's the same reason they haven't arrested Susan as of yet. With all the movement in this case, don't give up hope. I actually think it's great they think her boyfriend was involved. He may love Susan but he since he's not Paul's father or Step father if they can get some leverage on him he doesn't have any real reason to be loyal to Paul and maybe (I'm crossing my fingers and PRAYING ) he'll turn on them.
@@OhLanie this is first I heard her boyfriend even knew. He was a realtor in the area? Right? It seemed ruben was in cahoots with pd the way they botched so much. Perhaps susan or the boyfriend already made a plea deal. I wonder what the new evidence was that lead to search at reubens in march
@@glorioskey This was the 1st I heard about the boyfriend being in on it too. I believe he is/was a realtor. I am so curious to see this go to trial. With the way these people have been thus far, I don't believe they'll take a plea. (Honestly, if I were the defense attorney I think I would push for trial. The police work in the beginning was crap so they can argue a lot on the early evidence.) The good news is if they go to trial we will get to see and hear what they have. I just hope Kristin's family gets what little closure they can from this. Those poor folks break my heart. Every time I hear the pride in their voice when they talk about her followed by the pain of that loss I can't help but cry.
The authorities announced that the statute of limitations has run out on all related acts EXCEPT MURDER. The mofos who might have helped the perp can’t be charged.
@@valleygirl2530 Wrong but for 1 reason. They believe LAST YEAR mother, father and moms boyfriend dug up and moved the body. If they can prove it they CAN charge them as an accessory after the fact.
If this is true, it's just sickening...smh Sounds like a screwed up family...smh
They did just find human remains in California, LA area. The news said the area is heavily searched regularly because of missing hikers and the remains appeared to have been there a while/older.
The bones were found in an area that barely had a trail. Anything is possible though!
The media and the police are still saying "possible" human remains and that the coroner's office will have to confirm they are human remains. I find that interesting for several reasons. They obviously didn't find a skull since that would make it easily identifiable as human, this has to be a partial set of remains. There must not be any clothing or belongings on or around the remains because that too could identify the remains as human. (And while this is a reach, the news has said the remains were "scattered" which seems to be how these possible remains were found, scattered. If the Flores family disposed of her body, I'm sure they would have removed any clothes or jewelry to make it difficult to identify her.) And finally, if there are only bones the remains had to be there quite a while.
@@OhLanie agreed! Hopefully they have answers soon. But, definitely makes you think. I feel like an ME or coroner would have been called out to the findings, and they would know almost immediately if it were animal bones. Hopefully someone is keeping an eye on the family because it’s pretty coincidental if it’s not Kristin’s remains.
@@heygusgus At least Paul was denied bail. I'm actually surprised given everything they released Ruben and didn't put an ankle monitor on him.
The thing that is really making me feel a bit hopeful is that from what the police said it was Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend that "worked through the night" and moved her remains. Well, that made me think. How would police know who was there and how long it took? They have to have SOMETHING to make that statement. Ring doorbell footage from a neighbor? Did the boyfriend talk? The boyfriend being there is what gives me the most hope. He may be in love with Susan but he is not married to her and he is not Paul's step father. (Not to mention, rarely does the current boyfriend really like the ex husband lol) I'm hoping he is the linchpin in this and they can give him immunity to turn them ALL in but I would honestly settle for Ruben and Paul in jail.
Podcast described paul as having a bag one day. Its thought that bag contained her belongings. Besides theres the watch alarm that went off every am at 4;20 when kristin got up. It was in the planter bed under cement. Of which paul said he had to leave questioning to go cleanup. Strange indeed.
Omg if they have her biological material under that house then they don’t need a body. Her biological remains are the same as finding a leg or a skull for that matter! Bingo they got them. She was under their house the whole time How freaking sick! Put them all in Prison for accessories to murder!
Thats what I saying.... so the police found biological material but it was moved? Why didnt the police have it in custody if they found it?
Im confused. Hope they update on this case frequently!
@Brian Zhu yep they recently removed her remains after the home was searched. She was buried under the porch the whole time!
Those people are evil
Somebody been watching them for 25 years?
Maybe they were listening to all phonecalls or wiretaping through the internet line, then made a big amount of searches around, and after all tracking for next actions of family members
@@Andrew-qb8eh I really hope so. I lived in Shell Beach next to Arroyo Grande when she went missing. She has never been forgotten. I pray that there is justice even though very late. This is one of those moments in time where better late than never truly applies.
FYI: According to the podcast Your Own Backyard and news reports - No one can be charged with any crime Except MURDER in this case. The Statute of Limitations has run on all other related criminal acts in this case. Paul’s family members can provide evidence in this case, even confess to helping hide or dispose evidence, and they will not be charged. I’m betting on the father confessing so he can stay out of prison.
What a SICK FAMILY 👹
The body was supposedly moved last year, though. So they can all be charged for it.
There is no statute of limitation preventing the wrongful death suit. With any luck, James Murphy wants to make sure they lose EVERYTHING. He has my support!!
The info that is coming out from the police has given me some thoughts and questions. The police said that "Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend worked through the night to move Kristin's body." Well, how do they know who was there? How do they know how long it took? I'm wondering if they either have video from something like a neighbor's doorbell camera or home surveillance system or if MAYBE (crossing fingers as I type this part lol) the boyfriend turned on Susan and Ruben.
My understanding in reading what I can, is that the family emails and phone calls were all being monitored, and that's where a bulk of details are coming from.
The neighbors watched them do it, and filmed them!
@@nikerulz22 YES, that is confirmed 👍
The neighbors cotacted police. They took photos of all of their vehicles and reported hearing the 3 of them argue into the night, underneath the deck - they heard digging.
That is just awful if it's true.
What do you mean IF TRUE? They said they found a part of her remains there and they could tell it had been moved.
@@Eclipse1369 *alleges*
*I hope they lose all of their assets over this monstrous act!* 😖
Take everything they own and give it to charity. Even if they do not end up in jail, let them live the last decade of their lives in destitution.
I do hope the Smarts get it, and use it for their family
The trial hasn't even started and everyone is so convinced someone is guilty. I've been accused of things in the past I was completely innocent of, yet the linchmod people just like you all were so convinced I was guilty.
Let the trial play out as it will..you never know, one day the shoe may be on the other foot.
Imagine IF that family is innocent? How horrible to not only lose a young lady,but to also destroy an entire family..
To me,and the very little I know about this case it seems there is very little if any evidence outside of the Circumstantial Variety.and just as you all have your mind made up,one could also argue the law enforcement are trying to force a case where there may not be one..
There was DNA evidence proving he raped women, as well as several women coming forward suspecting they were drugged over the years. He was found in possession of video evidence engaged in sex with women who were not conscious or able to consent. Paul Flores was negotiating 2 different plea deals to disclose where Kristin's body is, in exchange for no prison sentence. Essentially, he has already admitted he is not "totally innocent"
I hope this lawyer squeezes EVERYTHING out of these scum bags
I wish my parents cared about me this much. If I phoned them up in the middle of the night and told them I just murdered a lady I don't think they would have been so understanding.
Based on that, they definitely care about you and humanity. Thank goodness!
So you crying your parents wouldn’t help you get away with murdering a woman lmfao
@@clamchoder1386 Yes, that's the joke. Very astute.
So tragic! 😔
Good for them! Get ‘em!!!!
WHY would a (longtime) ex-wife, the one whose ass you once kicked on a regular, bond you out of jail? I hope the Smart family gets ALL of the Flores' property...including the house in San Pedro.
25-26 year, equity & value doubling & tripling, they're in their 70s & 80s , living far from family, yet they never sold & moved??? Suspect.
Susan didn't know initially, but eventually she did. That's probably why they bought the house in San Pedro & banished their son there. They never addressed the son's anger/rage. Like many parents do, they kept rewarding him for his bad behavior.
What does the future hold for these elders? They've been in a hell of their own making since the disappearance of Kristen.
I hope that they have actual evidence. They have put the family through so much. It makes me feel for them.
Seriously, cause the defense will have a case if there isn’t enough to convince a jury.
@@DMalltheway they would not charge someone with murder despite not having a body if they did not have enough evidence. even if they weren't responsible for her death, their son still stalked and assaulted other women, and deserve every bit of scrutiny coming their way.
@@AP-sh3gr Doesn’t matter, without a body there needs to be beyond a reasonable doubt he committed murder, defense has a solid case they could keep it at a reasonable doubt. They better have enough.
@@DMalltheway again, they do, because they could not arrest him without enough evidence, and would not have filed if they did not feel like they could win this case with the evidence they have.
@@AP-sh3gr Charging and convicting are two very different things, charging does not mean a conviction without evidence beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury, not enough means not guilty. Let’s not rush to judgement until all facts of case is brought up in court.
How do people live with a body in the backyard.
“Then we’re gonna come after Susan’s ASSests. 😂😂😂😂😂
Love that they got got!!!
Good for them! The Flores family needs to be held accountable for their actions. The police should have been watching these people 24/7, and this could have been prevented. But, then, this police department has a long history of not doing things they should be doing to locate Kristin's body.
I hope the Smarts take the despicable parents for all they're worth. Obviously, it won't bring Kristin back, but it's the least they can do to hold the Flores family accountable for the terrible things they have done to the Smart family.
Once you’ve been served with a search warrant, How on earth were the perpetrators then allowed, given time & opportunity to remove the remains of a murdered girl & hide them elsewhere?? Surly this makes search warrants totally invalid if your given notice before it is carried out to remove any incriminating evidence that warrant is coming for???
So they didn’t do 24hr surveillance after serving warrants and stirring the hornets nest.California cops used to be tops wtf
I was wondering the same thing. I'm equally surprised that the family's private detective wasn't watching either.
@@OhLanie I don’t get it as former law enforcement we all know that once you rattle the suspects they will try to hide evidence or make calls ect ect . Some SK visits crime scene to relive incident 🤷🏼
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 There have been SO many "missteps" in this case. It is troubling to say the least.
But, I have got so many questions about what they are currently saying/doing. I'm very curious what proof they have that she was buried there. They said in their press release that Ruben, Susan and her boyfriend "worked through the night to move the remains". How do they know who was there, what they were doing or how long it took? Doorbell or security footage? Did the boyfriend turn on them? (To ME that makes the most sense. He may be/have been in love with Susan but they aren't married so no spousal privilege. I could see him turning either because he has a conscience or because the police had leverage of some sort.
@@OhLanie that’s interesting and crazy but sounds like you’re correct
@@sheerwillsurvival2064 Interesting and crazy should be on my headstone lol. Kristin disappeared the night of my 21st birthday which I spent being a newly minted drinker. When it hit the national news and I heard about her it just felt unsettling to me. How someone can just vanish off the planet and how easily it could happen to anyone. Ever since then, this case has been in my mind. It got me interested in true crime which has evolved into reading books on how crimes are investigated. Sometimes when I hear hoofs I still think Zebras lol but I try to reign myself in lol.
SLO Sheriff’s Department is extremely lazy. They didn’t even bother to put a tail on Flores after they served him with a search warrant. The S.L.O. County Sheriff had one job to do and he blew it.
I remember when Kristen disappeared 25 odd years ago and they knew then who did it but they were too lazy or incompetent to follow up! Cal Poly police and the San Luis Obispo Sheriff's department are both guilty in that respect!! thank God they have a leader now that has the courage to move forward on this case! Locals are disgusted that right before the last search of the father's property it seems like the body was moved again and who knows where the parts were scattered now?? Paul's mother needs to be heavily investigated also as she has had no empathy for the Smart family's loss of their daughter!! in fact, it sounds like he had other assaults after Kristen Smarts so in a way she enabled her son's perverted ways!! I can't wait for this trial to begin but I imagine that it will be transferred out of here to Santa Barbara or San Francisco but it's my prayer that we get some justice for Kristen & her long suffering family!!
I want to know what really happened. Let the truth be told. She was very inebriated on something, what the f happened to this girl?
Ruben studderd or his son did!
Wish that Australian who saw the attack start actually went up to the window back then to stop it.... wth??!!
It's also suspected she was drugged. As Paul has been accused of doing other times.
@@glorioskey Smart was already heavily drunk at the time Flores allegedly walked her back to the dorms, he likely used that to his advantage.
So, did Susan Flores gave that interview before this new development? Before they decided to move Kristin's remains once again? No sure I got the timeline correctly....
Karma hits so satisfying. This needs to be turn into a movie. Call the Podcast
It is SO infuriating that he is out of jail. I don't want the Smart family to ever give up. The Flores' need CONSTANT monitoring. Phones, computers, everything. They are ALL guilty, and I don't care what anyone says about innocent until proven guilty. They have lied, lied, lied about everything. Why would they lie if they were innocent?
So...do they have her body or not?
I heard they found her body, now, it's scattered somewhere?
I think it’s only been announced that they found biological samples at Flors’ home - so it’s evidence she had been there (hopefully more than just cadaver dog scenting) - I haven’t heard that actual bones were found ... will look!
Years ago someone renting one of their homes found her earring.
@@crissytracy8517 right, but the earring was lost so police couldn’t use it as evidence, or test it for DNA. It was disappointing.
@@hlowrylong oh really? 😢 that is disappointing. I read another account from a tenant that lived in the house. Every morning at like 6:10 or 6:20 am she would hear beeping coming from the backyard. She had an alarm that went off every morning at that time to get to class or work. She said it was eerie.
@@crissytracy8517 I read about that too - something about it being earlier that the alarm would come out - like 5:00am, which correlated to the timing that KS would have had to get up for the early lifeguarding shift - or something like that - that is so eery too ... I’m not sure if that tenant is also reliable enough to testify - since it’s not direct evidence ... but it surely makes sense that there are a lot of weird quasi-evidence pieces ... that poor family and sweet daughter ...
Someone just lost their house
If there is talk of a plea deal, can a complete dig be done of Susan's backyard and total demolition of the garage be done? Cadaver dogs did detect something. A complete search for further evidence should probably be done, preferably before a trial. Evidence strongly suggests this family moved her body maybe more than once. There is a very good chance at least some physical evidence exists here. If not, Susan won't be able to afford to keep the home for long!
The thing that concerns me and has for a long time is that so much of the evidence and clues where known many, many years ago based on what I have read and written by the news. I am under the impression that this could have been solved a long time ago, but for whatever reason, clues were ignored or missed. Is it possible that an investigator back then or the district attorneys office had inexperienced investigators and they didn't know what to do?? One thing I read was that they knew Flores was pouring cement at the house right after this happened, but didn't pursue digging that up even though he was a person of interest? Maybe I read the articles wrong????
I highly recomend the podcast. They admitted that mistakes were made. Which is so sad because seemingly other women were assaulted afterwards.
If I understood correctly there was a search warrant which allowed law enforcement to dig up the whole yard. So they started and found nothing when they did get to the concrete part they debated if it was worth a lawsuit or pay the demages afterwards. And they decided against it. They regretted that decision later on but I think legally if you were granted a warrent and didn't search that part by your own choosing you wont get a second chance. However the Floreses filed a civil lawsuit against the smart s and in regards of discovery they had another chance to search the yard but that excluded the concrete I think. Like I said the podcast explains it much better.
1993 Front page slo tribune, " computer hackers tripped up. Then computer case takes a twist". Old slobyts computer club phone number no longer used and then the number was to a dermatologist office. People called the number thinking it was skobyes. When they did the doctors computer shit down. He called the police. Then police made the front page article. In it they said the master mind lives outside of the Area. Once the phone number was identified as the problem denial was still operating. The DA response in the slo tribune was, " we are aware of that theory". Incompetence. Computer clubs were before internet.
Just no.....
How tf did they get out on bail!
Omg
Yes if they can break them financially they won't have money for a defense in the criminal case. You know how it goes when people don't have good representation in trial cases.
It's such a high profile case now I wouldn't be surprised if lawyers take this case like O.J Simpsons dream team. Look at all the evidence against him and a glove planted at the scene became the notorious if it doesn't fit you must acquit slogan .
I am praying for justice for this family to prevail. People shouldn't have to endure such as they have for 25 yrs and not get the closure they deserve.
PRAY PRAY PRAY for God's will to be done and all guilty parties be held accountable.
I pray too that her body be found and she has a proper burial.
Pigs failed so badly.
Flores were connected to the cops.
I'm so shocked I can breathe just fine
I NEW IT!!!
Eeewwww! So tell me... how have they been moving this dead body around for 25 yrs?
I hope kristen smart is finally at peace now !!🙏 she can rest now that this family is lock up sick ass family !😣
Kristin's DNA in the Soil beneath the deck
Although I don't doubt it one bit, but how do they know where the remains were taken and that they were scattered? They must have a really REALLY good source if they are confident in releasing this information to the press. They couldn't keep the poor girl together so that maybe one day her family can bring her home? Come on man, how much more sick, heartless and low will this Flores family go. And the dad just gets to go home so he can hang out on his tainted deck and reminisce about old times. They make want to puke.
So now the boyfriend is in on it! So that's four people at a house with thousands of eyes on it moving a body. This is a clown show.
After the warrant turned up nothing, they should have used hidden surveillance, knowing the search was going to stir up the hornet's nest. As a matter of fact, they could've ensure catching them red handed just by saying, "We will come back, we are getting a new type of ground penetrating radar that can find a bone fragment just an inch long under 50 feet of dirt and rock." Sure, it's a lie, but it would 100% guarantee that they'd dig the body up.
Shame
The Flores family are monsters.
I'm thoroughly disgusted by the rubens lawyers daughter also on the defense team. Sure looks good having a female lawyer. Too bad it's his lawyers daughter. What a sell out.
All lawyers are crooks.
Sounds like Susan’s boyfriend is talking!
If you're moving a body it's probably a good idea to take the soil surrounding the body as well as much as you can. Personally I'd have removed the body and torn down the deck and rented a small excavator to be completely thorough. If anyone asks what's going on just tell them you're rebuilding the deck and expanding it and installing gas and electrical lines.
Witch hunt... Flores should be suing the smart family for public slander.. this is what you call calling the kettle black
This is not about murder, it's about how much money they can get!🤔🤦♂️
It's about making them pay in any way possible, to pay a debt for what they stole from this girl and her family. Or there's always vigilante justice instead...
It’s about making the flores’ lives as difficult as possible.
Of course a male said this 🙄 shut up
@@lizapetty7853 hmmm.🤔
They don’t have any money to speak of. It’s to properly punish them in case there is no criminal conviction
Of all the people that very tall drunk girl flew herself around at the frat party, her girlfriend left her, or did she, and they target the guy who escorted her home. Drunk people are very hard to deal with. She was much taller than him.She's 6'1.
That whole party of witnesses need to be investigated. What's wrong here is the attacks and harassment the Flores family have endured with by the parents and this lawyer. They have paid the price for something no one has convicted them of. They're innocent until proven guilty. Guess we'll see.
No body, no proof.
Just when you think humans can’t get any more stupid. Here comes Skystone with their dumb ass comment. Gold star for you, idiot! “She was tall and drunk so he couldn’t have murdered her” are you absolutely daft? Yes the answer is yes you absolutely are. 🤦🏻♀️ Have you even listened to the podcast? Are you Paul’s friend or something? Cringe.
Lol literally the stupidest explanation of all time. If she was as drunk as it seems she wouldn’t have been able to hold herself up. Let alone defend herself against Flores twerp. You sir are an idiot
Victim blaming piece of shit. Take your misogyny and shove it.
@@beccawiinter it’s like Paul’s mom during her interview. “Of course the body isn’t buried here. We don’t have a fence” because you need a fence to have a body buried in your yard. Some people are just weird
Hi Susan! 🙋♀️