Is anyone else horrified as to the amount of cases where the murderer kills once, a crime of opportunity, and goes on and leads a "normal" life with a wife and kids? There are so many of these......who are these "men"??
@funwithFred just last week I thought the same thing. What causes a normal, average person to take someone's life & then just go on living their normal life, being a pillar of the community, and have a family, never getting caught or caught after 20 or more years! 😢
Gary Ridgeway (One of the worst serial killers in U.S. history) had a whole wife and kids. None of them expected him of killing. I know his wife at one point thought he was cheating on her with other women (Which he technically was). He hated women, But fell in love with his wife.
This case happened my freshman year at college. Mandy lived across the hall from my roommates and me. We had just signed to be on her enter mural basketball team. We held a memorial in our dorm common room for her. All of were crying. We couldn’t believe it. It was so sad and heartbreaking. She was beautiful and sweetheart. The world lost a lot when it lost Mandy.
This case has always been a hard one to listen to for me. I can’t imagine what you and your friends went through. She sounded like such a lovely young girl. I’m sure you’re a better person for knowing her in her short life. ❤
What they mean is rich people have the means and do sue over investigations becoming public. So yes law enforcement does in fact make sure they got the right person before making it known they are being investigated. It is your money they are working with, and having to spend a couple miilion to settle lawsuit because you were investigating the wrong person, is not a good thing.
You have to ask what's more likely. The man who made that statement was the "cold case" investigator, and he was offering his explanation and speculation of why the previous investigation didn't look into Bass. What's more likely: The original investigators looked into everyone except Bass. The original investigators didn't look into everyone, including Bass.
Yes, it should have stopped totally in, let's say, 1997. Or in 2006. When did it start? When the first female ran somewhere, 2487 BC, somwhere in today's Angola.
These crime stories can be warnings to take proper precautions and look out for ourselves. However, warnings are almost never mentioned. It's taboo to do so.
Something that ticks me off is when a person is living his best life for decades after killing somebody and then they are found guilty and only serve 20+ years to life! It drives me nuts 😡
Agreed. Unfortunately, with such an old case, the defendant is subject to the sentencing guidelines used when the crime was committed, not modern guidelines.
This ending is why I watch crime stories. The dedication to arrive at the truth always renew my faith on humanity. Thank God for good people behind all successful stories in attaining justice to the victims.
You can tell the homicide of this young girl, Mandy Stavik was and still is a massive point of anguish for this entire community. They all teared up at least once during their interview. When Peter Van Sant asked retired Detective Ron Peterson if he said anything to Mandy as he pulled her lifeless body out of water and he immediately broke down was heartbreaking. 4:26
I implore anyone that has experienced some form of assault as described by the woman where he entered her home under the guise to use her phone….PLEASE report these instances to police. Men like this, this type of behavior is commonly just a stepping stone to more agregious behavior. Police will likely only charge (if they can) if the victim wishes, particularly if there is no physical harm. BUT at least there would always be a record of the incident.
It is so hard to report! Too often the reporter gets treated badly!!! Asked awful personal questions! Kept in an interrogation room! And asked to FACE the perp!!! How absolutely terrifying!
Because Tim was horrible to his brother and wife, they didn't lie to protect him. How many times we hear "I can't believe he did it, he was such a good person ". Being nice to some doesn't mean he's incapable of horrible things to others.
"I've watched those crime shows, & seen how many people go to prison when they give their DNA." Translation: People go to prison when they commit horrific crimes & leave their DNA, so I refuse. lol
Right?! If your DNA won’t match a sample from a crime scene, you ain’t going to prison and I know damn well I would give a sample to get cleared from suspicion or help catch a killer. Unless I was the killer. I guess I‘d refuse then.
@Sharon68 Why do you think police don't take missing women seriously? Because it happens a lot. Men commit & get away with femicide much too often. #EndFemicide
Cops still think these type of guys look like monsters. The sad truth they hide in our cities and neighborhoods. Just remember Bundy,Gacy, and BTK. Professional men, white, families, and church going. It scares you to death if you think about it too much.
No one’s address should be published online, judge or not. “Daniel’s law” should have been for all. Coming from a DV survivor who’s ex husband came after me.
I am at that exact point in the video right now and I thought the same thing. I looked down and saw your comment. ALL home addresses should not be published online. For the times that practice could be beneficial, is outweighed, in my opinion, by people looking up others for not so beneficial reasons.
58:00 not at all placing blame on either friend, but two women were with her and perhaps if they had stayed with her or followed her through getting to her dorm this may never have happened. I am not placing blame on those girls what I'm trying to say is always have a buddy when you go out that you never leave from. My niece was drugged at a party and a guy was trying to leave with her and well blah blah blah-- I'm just saying never leave your buddy that you go with
I know it not a popular opinion but I think you're absolutely correct. We as woman need to make good choices for ourselves. There are wicked people out there. Unfortunately there is evil people willing to hurt and take advantage of other's.
First story - the amount of bulls--t women were expected to put up with from this creep and didn't feel they could talk about unless they had iron clad proof.
@@Cautionary_Tale_Harris exactly, nobody was holding them back from speaking but themselves. If they would have just spoken up when he was being creepy with them, maybe things would have been different.
The things is hundreds of creepy things happen to girls & women as we grew up & the 1st time we speak up we get blamed or asked what we did, it's a misunderstanding or boys being boys or we should just stay away from that individual. Then & there so pretty quickly we learn to shut up about it.
As soon as that cop said they looked for the odd man out of the community, I thought that's a mistake. I mean, sure, that can be the killer but if we've learned anything in true crime, even as fans, we know that many killers are people who knew the victim, or its the most well liked guy in the community, etc.
And Tim kind of was that "type".....I'm wondering if they had asked more of her friends at school........the women.....if his name would have come up, especially, especially given where he lived that had a clear view of her jogging route past his house.
They were actually right, seeing as everyone described the guy as different & weird, but, unfortunately they didn't investigate him. Of course they might not have known about him being different/weird until the ladies at the pool brought it to their attention.
If Mandy was having an affair with a married older man (like the suspect says) you know she would have confided in her sister or a close friend. I don't believe for a minute she was and it pisses me off that he tried to sully her reputation by saying that. The creepy way he acted towards those two women and the lies he asked his family to tell on his behalf only solidifies his guilt to me. I hope Mandy's mom and family have the closure they needed. RIP Mandy 💔
Thank you to the family for not lying to protect him. Even his mom, that think he's innocent. His wife must be so relieved to get the divorce without him retaliating.
I was reading up on the family. They have had so much tragedy. In 1975, in Alaska, she had a son that was shot and killed, which has never been solved. Then the siblings had a stepbrother that was killed in a boating accident. I can't imagine the pain they all had to be in. 😢
Prayers go out for a heartbroken mother & a deceased beautiful daughter. The years of heartbreak before finding out the killer I can not imagine the pain. ❤❤❤❤
The Kristin Smart case still makes me angry because his family continues to move around her remains like it’s a game and they continue to hurt the Smart family and those who love Kristin.
@@batmansymbol3645Lol errmm there was a missing young woman at the time? I don’t think the neighbours were being “nosey”. Maybe don’t act suspicious when there’s a criminal investigation going on tf! 🙄
My two grown kids and I go hiking almost every weekend. We live at the foot of the Appalachians, so there's never a shortage of new trails, and we have over 100 waterfalls in a 75 mile radius. But when my son discovered the dozens of cases of disappearances in the area it gave us pause. I was amazed at the number of unsolved cases, as if this area was a hotbed of serial killer activity. So now we always go armed. It has unfortunately become a necessary evil in this day and age. What the hell has hapened to people? Is it just because there are so many more people? I dont know, but it bothers me. And my kids never, never go hiking alone, and neither should you, no matter how safe you might feel. Please take the advice of someone who has been doing this for many years.
Wow Mrs. Flores could have showed some empathy for Kristin’s family. Cold. Perhaps that is part of why her son turned out to be such a creep. On the flip side go Chris Lambert!
So proud to be a Jersey resident. I'm soo glad our judges information is now protected well it should have been from the moment they are sworn in. But god bless Daniel's soul he died doing what any son would do. And hats off to judge Esther n her husband for staying strong 💪🏽 and thanks 48hrs for covering this.
Agreed! It must be difficult to talk to the police - what if they don't believe or think it's laughable, and fear of retaliation. I can't imagine keeping that to myself though.
Most people enjoy hiding their heads in the sand instead of doing the right thing!! It takes COURAGE to stand up for what’s right!! Most people are cowards.
Ugh how could these two women hold this in for decades !!! Lord knows who else he may have hurt in those years. I don’t want to hear small community, fear this, fear that. They could have called it in anonymously. Cmon ladies!!
That first case where the killer had no respect for women, yet his "woman" boss is the one who gathered his DNA and turned it into LE. KARMA works in mysterious ways.
For the first case , how does the brother of the killer now even have a normal relationship with their mother?, being that he thinks his brother is guilty and their mother thinks he innocent. That has to put a strain on their relationship 💔
I love how they wait until ten minutes into the last one to drop the bomb that the guy they've spent the entire episode glazing up was an absolutely horrific person. They work so hard to get you to care so that they can try to alleviate him being a monster.
I’m now in mid 70s. Sowed untold wild oats in the 60s - so thankful for a long life after so very many poor decisions! 🙏🏼💝💯 I’m not saying Mandy was sewing wild oats … just owning my own stuff. I’ve followed this case for years - so grateful it was solved … her precious mom … 😥
It's so hard to believe that her dog wouldn't protect her. I've had 2 male German Shepherds, they are the most loyal protective dogs ever! Yet loving family dogs. Which I heard but never owned a female that they can be even more aggressive. My current boy is 12 yrs old & know he would protect me if it meant losing his own life regardles weapon or not...he has actually saved my life being followed by a stranger that threatened me. It almost seems as if somebody had known her dog... I am very wary on who I allow him to be friends with.
It also shows how uneducated he is about DNA. Blaming his brother or dad doesn't work😂. Yes they share some common markers but it's like our fingerprints.
Just wished she had the sense not to bring kids into it. Who knows what those kids went through living with him & then the obvious trauma finding out he us a killer & being shunned by the community & friends.
Wow! The behavior of Flores’ parents is very telling. Zero sympathy and/or emotion for Kristen’s family or the circumstances. They look annoyed, rather than distraught as normal parents would be.
This is sad the killer live his life and only got this? I pray the killer of my brother is caught is already 3years and we are still praying. It happened in Accra Ghana. I'm broken living by the grace of God. So i can imagine went through and what they are still going through.
I will pray for you and your family. I’m so sorry for your loss. You all deserve closure and justice to be served. Prayers and love from The Netherlands ❤
@@Z8Q8 you know the painful part of it is that my auntie is a police officer and she is doing nothing about it.i left my country to another African country that that i was born and bred.i just left everything to God.
Majority of these old cases in 48h it's an old man that got married and has family that committed God knows how many crimes when they were 20y/40y and got away.
Her life was literally ROBBED!! What an absolute tragedy!! She was physically and mentally fit to do great things in life- snuffed out by this EVIL CREATURE!!
All of the cases are so sad, and it breaks my heart to see how long the families had to wait for final justice. The documentations of 48 hours are well researched and show a high degree of sensitivity coming along with professionality. They put the victim into the center of attention, telling their storys without exposing them.
Come on.... he's having an affair with her?! Why would she send the dog back home all by itself? That doesn't make any sense. She would have never gone out jogging with the dog if she planned to get down with this disgusting man.
I feel terrible for this judge who lost her son, her heroic son. But this law she advocated for, a law making it difficult to find addresses for judges, should apply to police officers and many other so-called public-servant professions as well. This tragedy could’ve been a platform not merely to the creation self-serving laws, but laws that would help many public servants outside of judges. And that’s what I find disturbing about the lack of vision in this so-called Daniels Law.
It should apply to everyone but if going to say your line of work makes you more likely a target, then at least include others just bad likely to be a target and not just your Profession!
Not to point fingers, but two of Kristen Smarts friends just abandoned her. The second friend shouldn’t have allowed that creep to take Kristen to her room. Knowing that he had a bad rep of being a groper.
Margarita leaving Kristen alone by herself in the parking lot is why she was abducted. My grandma always taught us the buddy system never leave alone anywhere, no matter what. My heart goes to Kristen's family 💜
That's a horrible thing to say. She wanted to go home, but Kristin refused. Are you suggesting that Margarita should have stayed out late when she was trying to be responsible?
@@VioletJoy sorry, she didn’t use good judgment, leaving her newfound friend alone. She admitted she was a wallflower, so it wasn’t a sense of responsibility that made her return to her dorm, but social awkwardness.
So sad. I grew up in WA, class of 89’ & a previous runner,…this cldve easily been me had i not grown more concerned w/the Green River Killer still not caught at the time.
I guess they couldn't bring up his behavior with the other 2 girls because it would prejudice this case. But to me it shows erratic behavior around the time Becky was murdered
Kristin’s story is very sad, campus police shouldn’t have been allowed to take this case they are just at a college! Terrible handling and victim shaming, clearly they weren’t trained for this
This is already heartbreaking 😢😢😢😢 poor sweetheart I am devastated for you all I really am. It's totally unfair I despise low lifes who treat good people this way.
So they didn't look into Mandy's killers family because they were so well liked. WTF! Staying quiet for over 20 years even though you think you know who killed her. WTF! The 'friend' who left Kristin in the parking lot said she was stone sober. Sounds to me like she was drugged at the party. How could the second 'friend' leave her after supposedly being so concerned at first? Why have campus police? They never do anything!
Agree. It's a horrible, almost corrupt way to earn money. Knowing they are guilty and coming up with ludicrous, cruel stories about the victim. Soulless.
Wow, i watch and have watched a lot of these sort of crime stories but this one upset me. What a waste, so sorry for your loss Mum, the dog, the family, the officers, the friends and all who knew her. R>I
The opposite could be said about the friend. Why did she have to leave her friend? If she wouldn’t have left her, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. So it could go either way.
Stop with the whole "it's so safe we leave our doors unlocked." No where is safe. Always be alert🙏🏽 And these 2 woman waiting 20yrs to speak up? Cmon ladies let's do better.
I just watch the one where the guilty person claimed her gsd Jazzy killed her husband. I think she accidently shot the gsd while killing her husband because the gsd came to the defense of the husband. So so so sad. Jazzys remains weren't found.
I wish the police would always take missing people reports serious. Very few people just leave without telling anyone especially without their means to money!
I'm so shocked about the cases where these woman were left alone by their friends or left with men that their friends know are no good. When I was growing up it was girl code that if we came together we all left together what happened to that???!! So many things could be prevented if we look out for each other.
There are somethings that happened to me, like many other young ladies, that I didn't even know how to begin to report. My family was not going to believe me when I tell them my sister's ex boyfriend from high school did the unthinkable. And they don't want the shame of the community, my parents were too egotistical.
I guess we can just mark it up to the girls were young and didn’t have the integrity to stand up with the rights of their friend but it’s pretty sad that people have fear to do the right thing until 20 years later
Im curious to know how on earth did that German shepherd not protect that girl. I usually always always see German shepherds protect their owners and loved ones. Even in over exaggeration. I always see people have German shepherds in their front yard yapping and barking at any little thing that moves.
Agreed but we don’t know that the dog didn’t try to, the cops said it’s likely the man kicked the dog and left it in ditch before attacking the owner, also every dogs are different. I would not hold my dog responsible for the actions of unhinged humans at gunpoint 😂
Is anyone else horrified as to the amount of cases where the murderer kills once, a crime of opportunity, and goes on and leads a "normal" life with a wife and kids? There are so many of these......who are these "men"??
Evil demons more like it!
I think same knowing the killer of my brother maybe somewhere living his life and i here call everyday for the past 3years
@@Emdel237 I'm so sorry for the loss of your brother and I pray law enforcement catches whoever took his life 🙏🏽
@funwithFred just last week I thought the same thing. What causes a normal, average person to take someone's life & then just go on living their normal life, being a pillar of the community, and have a family, never getting caught or caught after 20 or more years! 😢
Gary Ridgeway (One of the worst serial killers in U.S. history) had a whole wife and kids. None of them expected him of killing. I know his wife at one point thought he was cheating on her with other women (Which he technically was). He hated women, But fell in love with his wife.
This case happened my freshman year at college. Mandy lived across the hall from my roommates and me. We had just signed to be on her enter mural basketball team. We held a memorial in our dorm common room for her. All of were crying. We couldn’t believe it. It was so sad and heartbreaking. She was beautiful and sweetheart. The world lost a lot when it lost Mandy.
Sounds like she was an exceptional young woman. Very sad story.
This case has always been a hard one to listen to for me. I can’t imagine what you and your friends went through. She sounded like such a lovely young girl. I’m sure you’re a better person for knowing her in her short life. ❤
So sorry, it seems in most of these videos angels are taken too soon.
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Ugh how terrifying
"We didn't investigate him because they're prminent in the community". WHAT THE ACTUAL PHUQUE???
What they mean is rich people have the means and do sue over investigations becoming public. So yes law enforcement does in fact make sure they got the right person before making it known they are being investigated. It is your money they are working with, and having to spend a couple miilion to settle lawsuit because you were investigating the wrong person, is not a good thing.
You have to ask what's more likely.
The man who made that statement was the "cold case" investigator, and he was offering his explanation and speculation of why the previous investigation didn't look into Bass.
What's more likely:
The original investigators looked into everyone except Bass.
The original investigators didn't look into everyone, including Bass.
I’m sure they realise their error, the local police clearly cared about the case
Two tiered justice system… the ones with the gold make, and often break the rules..
EXCELLENT! Reinventing the English spelling! 🤣🤣🤣🤣 EXCELLENT!
And 30+ years later, women are still being killed while out for a run. What a heart breaking story.
Exactly why I stopped running alone
Yes, it should have stopped totally in, let's say, 1997. Or in 2006. When did it start? When the first female ran somewhere, 2487 BC, somwhere in today's Angola.
@kelseymariel2127 Yes stay safe. We as adults feel we shouldn't be scared to do things alone BUT it's the world we live in.
These crime stories can be warnings to take proper precautions and look out for ourselves. However, warnings are almost never mentioned. It's taboo to do so.
That’s why you stay locked and loaded!!
Something that ticks me off is when a person is living his best life for decades after killing somebody and then they are found guilty and only serve 20+ years to life! It drives me nuts 😡
I couldn’t agree with you more! Doesn’t quite seem like justice to me.
at least he wont be coming out
One of the problems with the time given them is what was on the books at the time of their crime.
Yeah, they got to have a life, get married, and have kids etc.
Agreed. Unfortunately, with such an old case, the defendant is subject to the sentencing guidelines used when the crime was committed, not modern guidelines.
To see the detectives get teary eyed, you know they really care and never forget …. They are wonderful caring men…. 😢❤
The evil is so wrong over and over again. This needs PUBLIC DISCUSSION LOUD AND CLEAR WITH MAXIMUM SWIFT JUSTICE. STOP THE INSANITY!
They are 🙏🏽
God Bless Our LE Everywhere
Thank you 48hrs for featuring Mandy’s case.
God Bless Mandy's Mom with peace that surpasses all understanding. Peace SO Sweet, that it can only come from God.
Seeing her missing her baby breaks my heart 🥺🥺 Like she said people say you're strong but they don't see behind closed doors 😔
Amen and Amen!
Amen
This ending is why I watch crime stories. The dedication to arrive at the truth always renew my faith on humanity. Thank God for good people behind all successful stories in attaining justice to the victims.
Absolutely 😊
His Mother’s attitude, demeanor and facial expression speaks volumes!!!
Susan Flores? Yes, she is very shady
YES! like really? After what he said she says his innocent 🤦♀
Maybe she is the OG Narc of the family& her son is like her.. in her mind golden child.. 😞
@@irierocioShe probably doesn’t want to believe it.
Exactly! She would’ve been better off not saying a thing.
You can tell the homicide of this young girl, Mandy Stavik was and still is a massive point of anguish for this entire community. They all teared up at least once during their interview.
When Peter Van Sant asked retired Detective Ron Peterson if he said anything to Mandy as he pulled her lifeless body out of water and he immediately broke down was heartbreaking. 4:26
Unforgettable moment.❤
This is a cruel world with many cruel heartless people 😢
Exactly Donald old Trump 😢
Lots of good people, too. Don't focus too heavily on the bad.
It's not the world, it's the people in it.
@@Acts-xu7th Yeah, Biden and Harris are so much better than that old Trump. America flourished under Biden Harris!!!! You tell'em @Acts-xu7th
@@jameslomenzo1139 Thank you
I implore anyone that has experienced some form of assault as described by the woman where he entered her home under the guise to use her phone….PLEASE report these instances to police. Men like this, this type of behavior is commonly just a stepping stone to more agregious behavior. Police will likely only charge (if they can) if the victim wishes, particularly if there is no physical harm. BUT at least there would always be a record of the incident.
It is so hard to report! Too often the reporter gets treated badly!!! Asked awful personal questions! Kept in an interrogation room! And asked to FACE the perp!!! How absolutely terrifying!
@@bthomson❤🕊
Because Tim was horrible to his brother and wife, they didn't lie to protect him. How many times we hear "I can't believe he did it, he was such a good person ". Being nice to some doesn't mean he's incapable of horrible things to others.
"I've watched those crime shows, & seen how many people go to prison when they give their DNA." Translation: People go to prison when they commit horrific crimes & leave their DNA, so I refuse. lol
If he was less of a peasant, he would have said: I have seen how police uses DNA to plant it somewhere and frame innocent people.
Right?! If your DNA won’t match a sample from a crime scene, you ain’t going to prison and I know damn well I would give a sample to get cleared from suspicion or help catch a killer. Unless I was the killer. I guess I‘d refuse then.
@@Shekmet13 you have lazy detectives that just want to close the case. Look at Steve Avery.
It really pisses me off that so often cops don't take missing women seriously!!!!
Only 1 in 1,000 cases there is foul play.
That's really not accurate at all. It's just one of those popular things to say.
@Sharon68 Why do you think police don't take missing women seriously? Because it happens a lot. Men commit & get away with femicide much too often. #EndFemicide
SHARON IS BIAS..NEXT TIME SAY MISSING PEOPLE GOOBER
Back then they didn’t but now they do
31:45 "Tim Bass's trial was turning into a family reunion from hell." 🤣😂
RIGHT! 😂😂😂
Haha that was a good one
And he was the devil in disguise!!!! 😢
They got his Mother to lie ..disgusting lawyers
So, the cops ask for dna from every male around town, but not the guy Mandy’s age living 3 miles away 🤦🏼♂️
Cops still think these type of guys look like monsters. The sad truth they hide in our cities and neighborhoods. Just remember Bundy,Gacy, and BTK. Professional men, white, families, and church going. It scares you to death if you think about it too much.
We want to solve this case but are overwhelmed by the (small) number of men in our village. lol
BIG MISTAKE. Small town mentality.
Right? How such a "small" decision can delay a case for decades.
They only took DNA from guys they suspected.
No one’s address should be published online, judge or not. “Daniel’s law” should have been for all. Coming from a DV survivor who’s ex husband came after me.
I am at that exact point in the video right now and I thought the same thing. I looked down and saw your comment. ALL home addresses should not be published online. For the times that practice could be beneficial, is outweighed, in my opinion, by people looking up others for not so beneficial reasons.
@ YES!!
I literally just posted the same thing. Protection for every person!
Yet YOUR BRAGGIN TELLIN EVERYONE YOUR A DV SURVIVOR?? WHY TELL ANYONE
Names and addresses have always been public information. It’s as old as the paper phone book.
Bass gets only 27 years? That is not justice. But I am glad Mandy’s mom was happy with it; she deserves to be happy. She lost the most.
He is scheduled for release 2036
58:00 not at all placing blame on either friend, but two women were with her and perhaps if they had stayed with her or followed her through getting to her dorm this may never have happened. I am not placing blame on those girls what I'm trying to say is always have a buddy when you go out that you never leave from. My niece was drugged at a party and a guy was trying to leave with her and well blah blah blah-- I'm just saying never leave your buddy that you go with
I know it not a popular opinion but I think you're absolutely correct. We as woman need to make good choices for ourselves. There are wicked people out there. Unfortunately there is evil people willing to hurt and take advantage of other's.
Straight facts ❤
Ya I got bad vibes from her friend who ditched her. Not cool.
They were so young, young people never think something can happen to them. Things happen only to other people in some other places.
First story - the amount of bulls--t women were expected to put up with from this creep and didn't feel they could talk about unless they had iron clad proof.
Yes !!
@@dianecripps204
No one expected them to be quiet about their interactions with Bass.
@@Cautionary_Tale_Harris exactly, nobody was holding them back from speaking but themselves. If they would have just spoken up when he was being creepy with them, maybe things would have been different.
@@missmandy2049 That's what I meant. Being conditioned not to speak out.
The things is hundreds of creepy things happen to girls & women as we grew up & the 1st time we speak up we get blamed or asked what we did, it's a misunderstanding or boys being boys or we should just stay away from that individual. Then & there so pretty quickly we learn to shut up about it.
As soon as that cop said they looked for the odd man out of the community, I thought that's a mistake. I mean, sure, that can be the killer but if we've learned anything in true crime, even as fans, we know that many killers are people who knew the victim, or its the most well liked guy in the community, etc.
And Tim kind of was that "type".....I'm wondering if they had asked more of her friends at school........the women.....if his name would have come up, especially, especially given where he lived that had a clear view of her jogging route past his house.
Agreed that was a big red flag to say they focused immediately on a type
They were actually right, seeing as everyone described the guy as different & weird, but, unfortunately they didn't investigate him. Of course they might not have known about him being different/weird until the ladies at the pool brought it to their attention.
@@missmandy2049But it’s usually a family man who blends in well.
I know..I was like what da ?? One of the first things to do is start in the close circle of family then branch out
If Mandy was having an affair with a married older man (like the suspect says) you know she would have confided in her sister or a close friend. I don't believe for a minute she was and it pisses me off that he tried to sully her reputation by saying that. The creepy way he acted towards those two women and the lies he asked his family to tell on his behalf only solidifies his guilt to me. I hope Mandy's mom and family have the closure they needed. RIP Mandy 💔
Thank you to the family for not lying to protect him. Even his mom, that think he's innocent. His wife must be so relieved to get the divorce without him retaliating.
Mandy’s mom is breaking my heart. A mother’s love for her child is boundless, and you can see the pain in her beautiful eyes. 💔
I was reading up on the family. They have had so much tragedy. In 1975, in Alaska, she had a son that was shot and killed, which has never been solved. Then the siblings had a stepbrother that was killed in a boating accident. I can't imagine the pain they all had to be in. 😢
Prayers go out for a heartbroken mother & a deceased beautiful daughter. The years of heartbreak before finding out the killer I can not imagine the pain. ❤❤❤❤
Seeing the detectives so emotional-wow. And hearing her killer talk..about himself. So glad he was finally caught.
The Kristin Smart case still makes me angry because his family continues to move around her remains like it’s a game and they continue to hurt the Smart family and those who love Kristin.
How bout the nosey neighbors reporting activity at someones home instead of minding their own business
@@batmansymbol3645Lol errmm there was a missing young woman at the time? I don’t think the neighbours were being “nosey”.
Maybe don’t act suspicious when there’s a criminal investigation going on tf! 🙄
@@batmansymbol3645our neighbor thinks he's batman too
@@batmansymbol3645Oh hi Ruben Flores! Or are you Susan?
My two grown kids and I go hiking almost every weekend. We live at the foot of the Appalachians, so there's never a shortage of new trails, and we have over 100 waterfalls in a 75 mile radius. But when my son discovered the dozens of cases of disappearances in the area it gave us pause. I was amazed at the number of unsolved cases, as if this area was a hotbed of serial killer activity. So now we always go armed. It has unfortunately become a necessary evil in this day and age. What the hell has hapened to people? Is it just because there are so many more people? I dont know, but it bothers me. And my kids never, never go hiking alone, and neither should you, no matter how safe you might feel. Please take the advice of someone who has been doing this for many years.
Good work everyone! 👏 rest in peace Mandy ❤ from the U K
Wow Mrs. Flores could have showed some empathy for Kristin’s family. Cold. Perhaps that is part of why her son turned out to be such a creep. On the flip side go Chris Lambert!
Beautiful girl, beautiful life lost! RIP Mandy 😥
cadaver dogs are absolutely amazing, and of course animals in general
Excellent work. Thanks very much.
So proud to be a Jersey resident. I'm soo glad our judges information is now protected well it should have been from the moment they are sworn in. But god bless Daniel's soul he died doing what any son would do. And hats off to judge Esther n her husband for staying strong 💪🏽 and thanks 48hrs for covering this.
Beautiful mom and family thankgod they got justice ❤
Blessings to all. 😢❤🙏
It's very important that if someone suspects a person in a crime like this, they come forward even if it seems unlikely.
Agreed! It must be difficult to talk to the police - what if they don't believe or think it's laughable, and fear of retaliation. I can't imagine keeping that to myself though.
Most people enjoy hiding their heads in the sand instead of doing the right thing!!
It takes COURAGE to stand up for what’s right!! Most people are cowards.
Ugh how could these two women hold this in for decades !!! Lord knows who else he may have hurt in those years. I don’t want to hear small community, fear this, fear that. They could have called it in anonymously.
Cmon ladies!!
That first case where the killer had no respect for women, yet his "woman" boss is the one who gathered his DNA and turned it into LE. KARMA works in mysterious ways.
They really fumbled the Kristin Smart case...smh
For the first case , how does the brother of the killer now even have a normal relationship with their mother?, being that he thinks his brother is guilty and their mother thinks he innocent. That has to put a strain on their relationship 💔
I love how they wait until ten minutes into the last one to drop the bomb that the guy they've spent the entire episode glazing up was an absolutely horrific person. They work so hard to get you to care so that they can try to alleviate him being a monster.
@17thknight
Who was a monster?
I’m now in mid 70s. Sowed untold wild oats in the 60s - so thankful for a long life after so very many poor decisions! 🙏🏼💝💯 I’m not saying Mandy was sewing wild oats … just owning my own stuff. I’ve followed this case for years - so grateful it was solved … her precious mom … 😥
Since dad is dead... Can we say dad did it??? Bro, are you available? Somebody, anybody???
"Ok, my son had sex with her, but my husband found out and killed her". lol
Her beloved son inherited psychopathy from her.😒
It's so hard to believe that her dog wouldn't protect her. I've had 2 male German Shepherds, they are the most loyal protective dogs ever! Yet loving family dogs. Which I heard but never owned a female that they can be even more aggressive.
My current boy is 12 yrs old & know he would protect me if it meant losing his own life regardles weapon or not...he has actually saved my life being followed by a stranger that threatened me.
It almost seems as if somebody had known her dog...
I am very wary on who I allow him to be friends with.
The attacker probably beat the dog.
They said the attacker kicked the dog into a ditch.
DNA doesnt lie....finally, justice for Mandy...and Kristin , worst pain losing your child, condolences to the families!
It also shows how uneducated he is about DNA. Blaming his brother or dad doesn't work😂. Yes they share some common markers but it's like our fingerprints.
DNA can lie if evidence is planted. Look up the David Kofoed case.
His wife: "Guilty as hell. I lived in prison with him for 28: years. Now it's his turn." 💞🙏
Just wished she had the sense not to bring kids into it. Who knows what those kids went through living with him & then the obvious trauma finding out he us a killer & being shunned by the community & friends.
Wow! The behavior of Flores’ parents is very telling. Zero sympathy and/or emotion for Kristen’s family or the circumstances. They look annoyed, rather than distraught as normal parents would be.
This is sad the killer live his life and only got this? I pray the killer of my brother is caught is already 3years and we are still praying. It happened in Accra Ghana. I'm broken living by the grace of God. So i can imagine went through and what they are still going through.
Are there no detectives you can afford, and no show like 48 Hours there??
I will pray for you and your family. I’m so sorry for your loss. You all deserve closure and justice to be served. Prayers and love from The Netherlands ❤
@BiancaFaid86 thank you so much God bless you.
@@Z8Q8 you know the painful part of it is that my auntie is a police officer and she is doing nothing about it.i left my country to another African country that that i was born and bred.i just left everything to God.
Majority of these old cases in 48h it's an old man that got married and has family that committed God knows how many crimes when they were 20y/40y and got away.
It breaks my heart to see inocent people died like this 💔
"He was known as Chester the molester," but she trusted him to take a highly intoxicated Kristin to her door room by himself.
These woman don’t deserve any recognition. They waited all that time. I’m disgusted
Tim is most certainly guilty and he should’ve received a life sentence! Glad he was caught and will pay for taking Mandy’s life.
Bravo for his family telling the TRUTH!! Justice for Mandy!! 🥰🥰
Her life was literally ROBBED!!
What an absolute tragedy!! She was physically and mentally fit to do great things in life- snuffed out by this EVIL CREATURE!!
All of the cases are so sad, and it breaks my heart to see how long the families had to wait for final justice.
The documentations of 48 hours are well researched and show a high degree of sensitivity coming along with professionality. They put the victim into the center of attention, telling their storys without exposing them.
“Your own backyard” an awesome podcast! Listen to it!
Absolutely. It’s the first podcast I ever listened to and I didn’t even pause until it ended. Lambert is a real Hero.
So much pain
Come on.... he's having an affair with her?! Why would she send the dog back home all by itself? That doesn't make any sense. She would have never gone out jogging with the dog if she planned to get down with this disgusting man.
I feel terrible for this judge who lost her son, her heroic son. But this law she advocated for, a law making it difficult to find addresses for judges, should apply to police officers and many other so-called public-servant professions as well. This tragedy could’ve been a platform not merely to the creation self-serving laws, but laws that would help many public servants outside of judges. And that’s what I find disturbing about the lack of vision in this so-called Daniels Law.
@@johnmartyn9018
Then why not extend it to everyone?
Amen! It should apply to everyone. Having it apply only to judges shows how superior she thinks she is.
Exactly. It should apply to everyone.
It should apply to everyone but if going to say your line of work makes you more likely a target, then at least include others just bad likely to be a target and not just your Profession!
Not to point fingers, but two of Kristen Smarts friends just abandoned her. The second friend shouldn’t have allowed that creep to take Kristen to her room. Knowing that he had a bad rep of being a groper.
Margarita leaving Kristen alone by herself in the parking lot is why she was abducted. My grandma always taught us the buddy system never leave alone anywhere, no matter what. My heart goes to Kristen's family 💜
That's a horrible thing to say. She wanted to go home, but Kristin refused. Are you suggesting that Margarita should have stayed out late when she was trying to be responsible?
It wasnt anyones fault but the killer.
@@VioletJoy sorry, she didn’t use good judgment, leaving her newfound friend alone. She admitted she was a wallflower, so it wasn’t a sense of responsibility that made her return to her dorm, but social awkwardness.
I agree, always stay in the buddy system, look at Natalee Holloway!!
@@luzvaldes1030 Whatever the case, she was in an uncomfortable position. What would you suggest she do?
So sad.
I grew up in WA, class of 89’ & a previous runner,…this cldve easily been me had i not grown more concerned w/the Green River Killer still not caught at the time.
Everyone..have a wonderful day..blessings and much love to you all ❤
I guess they couldn't bring up his behavior with the other 2 girls because it would prejudice this case. But to me it shows erratic behavior around the time Becky was murdered
Great job to everyone in Mandy’s hometown and all who never gave up on her!!!!
My father was raised in Acme , we floated the Nooksack every summer ! This hit home 😢. RIP Mandy
Kristin’s story is very sad, campus police shouldn’t have been allowed to take this case they are just at a college! Terrible handling and victim shaming, clearly they weren’t trained for this
I have already watched these 3 episodes but I'm gonna watch this Marathon because 48 Hours is my fav show!
Who is cutting onions in here??
This is already heartbreaking 😢😢😢😢 poor sweetheart I am devastated for you all I really am. It's totally unfair I despise low lifes who treat good people this way.
So sad god bless all the people who helped
So they didn't look into Mandy's killers family because they were so well liked. WTF! Staying quiet for over 20 years even though you think you know who killed her. WTF! The 'friend' who left Kristin in the parking lot said she was stone sober. Sounds to me like she was drugged at the party. How could the second 'friend' leave her after supposedly being so concerned at first? Why have campus police? They never do anything!
BLANK is a small, close knit community. Everybody knows each other. This kind of thing just never happens in BLANK
Thank Youuuuu...Greetings from Switzerland
In the first case all the local people seem really lovely ❤ rip
Thank you!
Rest in peace little angels...it's so sad ,sickening how these innocents lost their precious lives
The kind of close-knit community you never hear
about until something like
this happens.
Rest In Power ✝️ Mandy Stavik.
I've never been this early to a video
Those defense attorneys are despicable.
They'd sing a different tune if it were their daughter
Amen
Yes!
THEY WENT 8 YRS TO COLLEGE TO BECOME DEFENSE ATTORNEYS GOOBER. REGARDLESS OF HOW THEY REALLY FEEL
Agree. It's a horrible, almost corrupt way to earn money. Knowing they are guilty and coming up with ludicrous, cruel stories about the victim. Soulless.
God bless all these people
Wow, i watch and have watched a lot of these sort of crime stories but this one upset me.
What a waste, so sorry for your loss Mum, the dog, the family, the officers, the friends and all who knew her.
R>I
Kristin should have gone back with her friend. It's not the friend's fault.
The opposite could be said about the friend. Why did she have to leave her friend? If she wouldn’t have left her, maybe this wouldn’t have happened. So it could go either way.
@ChasRiaStJohn If one wants to go home, both go home. Home is safe and stranger parties are not.
It's not Kristin's fault either.
Stop with the whole
"it's so safe we leave our doors unlocked."
No where is safe. Always be alert🙏🏽
And these 2 woman waiting 20yrs to speak up? Cmon ladies let's do better.
I detest Animal cruelty too , I know that sweet German Shepherd Tyra really attempted to save Amanda 😢😢😢😢 x x x x
I just watch the one where the guilty person claimed her gsd Jazzy killed her husband. I think she accidently shot the gsd while killing her husband because the gsd came to the defense of the husband. So so so sad. Jazzys remains weren't found.
I wish the police would always take missing people reports serious. Very few people just leave without telling anyone especially without their means to money!
I'm so shocked about the cases where these woman were left alone by their friends or left with men that their friends know are no good. When I was growing up it was girl code that if we came together we all left together what happened to that???!! So many things could be prevented if we look out for each other.
Thank you❣️⚖️
To wait 30 years to come forward!! wtf
I am thinking the same thing. Like yes wtf? And they kinda want to pat themselves on the back for speaking up now.
There are somethings that happened to me, like many other young ladies, that I didn't even know how to begin to report. My family was not going to believe me when I tell them my sister's ex boyfriend from high school did the unthinkable. And they don't want the shame of the community, my parents were too egotistical.
I understand defense attorneys have a job to do but idk how some of them can live with themselves
Money and narcissism.
The kudos of winning and building a strong reputation. I don’t know how they do this
HER MOM MAKE ME CRY...
I guess we can just mark it up to the girls were young and didn’t have the integrity to stand up with the rights of their friend but it’s pretty sad that people have fear to do the right thing until 20 years later
They couldve sent an anonymous note or call to the police.. Im sorry, but shame on them for waiting so long.
Flores looks evil 👿
진실은 항상 승리 한다!!! 거짓은 언젠가 탄로 난다!!❤
Im curious to know how on earth did that German shepherd not protect that girl. I usually always always see German shepherds protect their owners and loved ones. Even in over exaggeration. I always see people have German shepherds in their front yard yapping and barking at any little thing that moves.
You watch to much TV and Internet k.
@@kittensncasketno normal
Interactions with German shepherds in real life are no joke
Agreed but we don’t know that the dog didn’t try to, the cops said it’s likely the man kicked the dog and left it in ditch before attacking the owner, also every dogs are different. I would not hold my dog responsible for the actions of unhinged humans at gunpoint 😂
It's awesome that so many people worked together to catch Mandy's killer...No matter how long it takes the truth always comes to light
the kristin smart case, are campus police real cops or are they the equivalent of mall cops?
Mall Cops
@@dinazughyar5898 that explains alot.