I’ve been a Gold Dot fan for years. It’s performed very well in almost every video I’ve seen. I have to tell you though, those HST’s are looking pretty damn good. Those cutting pedals look like they would do some real damage. Great vid as usual sir.
Both of these look like good choices for carry ammo. I personally carry 124gr HST and 135gr Critical Duty in my Glock 19, I stagger my mag 1 HST to 2 Critical Duty, rinse and repeat until full. I hope I never need to use them, but I feel good about them stopping a threat to my life. I also see that this is hip replacement number 2 for Jim in the last 12 months! I am afraid he might spend his old age in a wheelchair at this rate. That’s unfortunate. I also wondered if those were brand new blocks of gel or whether they were recent reconditions that you might’ve done. I know I heard Buffalo outdoors talk about how he use the heat gun and maybe some tool like a spatula to smooth them out when they had wrinkles in them. So take that for whatever it’s worth. Thanks again for another good video, it was very entertaining and informative.
40s&w wins even not best expansion. The bullet weight in pentrashion is key to take down the threat. Try some critical duty in 40s&w like to see how they do.
I agree. Even though it looked like 9mm expanded more, it was just the jacket that expanded and not the lead. 40sw is superior to 9mm in every way, shape, and form. It’s just a fact. It was specifically developed to perform well.
@@SoWavvyy what a moron. .40 is anything but short and weak and it offers a smaller sized profile. Only reason to get a 10mm is for brown bear country. Otherwise the trade offs aren't even worth it. Especially since half the 10mm guns out there keep breaking from the pressures. Plus ammo is reasonable and easy to find everywhere for .40.
Critical Defense is better. 165gr is best for the .40... Velocity does matter ya know.... 180gr is SUBsonic in the .40. for the 10mm it's fine but for the .40 150 - 165 is best!
I thought I heard him say the 40 cal Gold Dot had the biggest wound channel and it went the farthest so how did the other one do better wow I love both calibers but let's be fair I'm a fan of both the 40 is the best
My wife & adult daughter carry the 124 +p 9mm HST in their edc. I have carried the 165 Gold Dot & the 180 HST in my 40s but of late carry the Critical Defense 165. Any and all are good options for the purpose. Thank you.
As far as common 40 loads, the critical defense is the best. I get 1150 fps from a 3.3 inch barrel.. thats a nasty 40 load. Underwood and buffalo bore make even better 40 loads. But they are hard to find
@@TheRealSwampOperator2you just order Underwood online. I do like the critical defense though, its great, and I have like 400 180 gr hst’s and 400 165 gr hst’s stocked up that I got for cheap, but I edc Underwood 135 gr noslers and 155 gr xtp’s.
If you care to go look at pt 1 of this series I run the hst and gold dot reversed. You can compare performances of gold dot vs gold dot and hst vs hst.
I carry the 124 grn +P Gold Dot in my 9mm. i just bought a box of the HST 124 grn +P. but at today's prices and availability, I am hanging on to both. One day when I shoot off the GD to rotate, I will unbox the HST. I am perfectly happy with either, and believe I am armed sufficiently. Not sure if I missed it, but you said the guns have comparable length barrels. What length are they? They look about 3.75 inches. Is that right?
Never seen HST perform like that. Guess I'll go watch that other video now. That said, it performed quite well. The 165 GD performance is pretty much textbook perfect as well. Not sure what more you'd ask for. I personally prefer the 40 in the 155GoldDot, but it's no longer available. It ran 1250fps from a Glock 22. I still have a full case of it, just in case Odd. I scrolled the video back to get the link to the previous review (I saw it pop up the first time through). The link doesn't pop up watching it the 2nd thru 4th times. Guess I'll try to search it on your page. I don't tend to have a great deal of luck with that. 🤞
Yes the 180gr performed better even so it has less velocity. I have observed the same thing with 45 ACP tests that mostly the 230gr bullets open up wider and making a bigger wound chanel vs the 185gr bullets. I think with modern bullet technoligy the velocity arent important that much any more.
😁👍 Always enjoy jell block tests. Unfortunately You are in big trouble. Someone called and you are going to be hearing from the SPCJ! “Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Jim!”
Do you use Hornady at all? My carry ammo is Hornady Critical Duty +P 135gr and the round that I caught was fully opened, and blew up water jug I tried to catch it in. Just wondering?
If you're carrying 9mm, the Critical Duty 135 grain +P is about as good as it gets for the caliber. You're doing just fine. Those rounds perform well through barriers & expand reliably (although not the most extreme expansion out there) & penetrate optimally. I prefer .40 for carry, but when I do carry 9mm, that's the ammo I use.
Lol, I carry 9mm more than 40 nowadays, and usually HST 124gr at that, but I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing in this comparison. Too me the 165gr 40 Gold Dots edged this comparison, even if not by much. I’d be just fine with either one.
Man I felt sorry for you. It hurt just to listen to you! Lol Gold Dots always seen to need an extra 1/4-1/2 inch to perform as well as HST's. Another fine mess you've started Stanley. (Old tv show before your time)
A surgeon wouldn't be able to tell the difference and the same for 45ACP in the wounds left by either, human tissue doesn't react like gelatin. Bullet placement what matters not the caliber, both will do well if they hit critical areas of the body.
Shot placement is a luxury in real life. Bigger bullet, bigger hole, more blood loss. It makes a difference, absolutely. Most people die from blood loss.
I think you are 9 mm fan boy very biased clearly the 40 caliber was deeper and the wound channel was better you even said it yourself wow that's horrible man
I carry 180gr HST for years and ignore all the “it’s not optimized for carry” crap! It’s big. It’s heavy and it will put a big hole in you.
I’ve been a Gold Dot fan for years. It’s performed very well in almost every video I’ve seen. I have to tell you though, those HST’s are looking pretty damn good. Those cutting pedals look like they would do some real damage. Great vid as usual sir.
I’m the same way, been carrying gold dots for many years but you’re right, the hst is tough to beat
Another great video. Both good performers. Always fun watching Jim catch some air.
Thank ya sir. Yeah Jim lives a rough life lol
You should do a T-shirt “Gel Block Jim”…. Showing Jim sitting on the top of the block.
You always do a really good presentation.
Thaks for the video, those jell blocks are really clear.
Love me some .40 cal. I carry the old Ranger non-bonded law enforcement rounds. 155 grain, 1200 fps
I liked those rounds. I don't think Winchester makes them anymore though. It's ashamed...the only 135gr 40 s&w bullet that had good penetration.
Both of these look like good choices for carry ammo. I personally carry 124gr HST and 135gr Critical Duty in my Glock 19, I stagger my mag 1 HST to 2 Critical Duty, rinse and repeat until full. I hope I never need to use them, but I feel good about them stopping a threat to my life. I also see that this is hip replacement number 2 for Jim in the last 12 months! I am afraid he might spend his old age in a wheelchair at this rate. That’s unfortunate. I also wondered if those were brand new blocks of gel or whether they were recent reconditions that you might’ve done. I know I heard Buffalo outdoors talk about how he use the heat gun and maybe some tool like a spatula to smooth them out when they had wrinkles in them. So take that for whatever it’s worth. Thanks again for another good video, it was very entertaining and informative.
40s&w wins even not best expansion. The bullet weight in pentrashion is key to take down the threat. Try some critical duty in 40s&w like to see how they do.
Laughs in 10mm .40 Short & weak. Get a 10mm.
I agree. Even though it looked like 9mm expanded more, it was just the jacket that expanded and not the lead. 40sw is superior to 9mm in every way, shape, and form. It’s just a fact. It was specifically developed to perform well.
@@SoWavvyy what a moron. .40 is anything but short and weak and it offers a smaller sized profile. Only reason to get a 10mm is for brown bear country. Otherwise the trade offs aren't even worth it. Especially since half the 10mm guns out there keep breaking from the pressures. Plus ammo is reasonable and easy to find everywhere for .40.
@@taasch2505 I LOVE 10mm, but you are not wrong. In regards to guns blowing up, that's almost always hand loads.
Critical Defense is better. 165gr is best for the .40... Velocity does matter ya know.... 180gr is SUBsonic in the .40. for the 10mm it's fine but for the .40 150 - 165 is best!
It's almost time for gel block jane!
I like my cake and eat it too. So that's why I prefer the 40 S&W HST ammo over all.
Jim must of had a good surgeon, he is holding up pretty well.
His surgeons name was JB... JB weld lol
Dr. Weld, Dr. J.B. Weld!
I thought I heard him say the 40 cal Gold Dot had the biggest wound channel and it went the farthest so how did the other one do better wow I love both calibers but let's be fair I'm a fan of both the 40 is the best
HST is my favorite bullet on the market due to its performance
My wife & adult daughter carry the 124 +p 9mm HST in their edc. I have carried the 165 Gold Dot & the 180 HST in my 40s but of late carry the Critical Defense 165. Any and all are good options for the purpose. Thank you.
Excellent choices, I carry standard 124 gr. Hst and the wife carries the 147 gr. Hst. Occasionally if I'm carrying my 229 I use 124 gr. +p gdhp ammo.
As far as common 40 loads, the critical defense is the best.
I get 1150 fps from a 3.3 inch barrel.. thats a nasty 40 load.
Underwood and buffalo bore make even better 40 loads. But they are hard to find
@@TheRealSwampOperator2you just order Underwood online. I do like the critical defense though, its great, and I have like 400 180 gr hst’s and 400 165 gr hst’s stocked up that I got for cheap, but I edc Underwood 135 gr noslers and 155 gr xtp’s.
Either will be fine my me in any high pucker factor situation.
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I don’t think you would let down by either bullet but the hst,s are excellent performers
Try Ranger Bonded or Win, Defender in .40 cal. Awesome video!!
I’m gonna say it again lol, HST for the win!!
It would be neat to see how they do when they hit some bone inside the gel.
They are an awesome bullet
HST is much better than gold dot. You should test the same ammo side by side.
If you care to go look at pt 1 of this series I run the hst and gold dot reversed. You can compare performances of gold dot vs gold dot and hst vs hst.
Tough trying to get ammo of the same types for different calibers these days so we do what we can lol
@@thegundungeon Yeah I hear that. Any ammo a guy can get his hands on already costs triple what it should. I appreciate your work either way.
I would like to see hst 9 against hst 40 and even 10 mm . That would be a more fair comparison
I carry the 124 grn +P Gold Dot in my 9mm. i just bought a box of the HST 124 grn +P. but at today's prices and availability, I am hanging on to both. One day when I shoot off the GD to rotate, I will unbox the HST. I am perfectly happy with either, and believe I am armed sufficiently.
Not sure if I missed it, but you said the guns have comparable length barrels. What length are they? They look about 3.75 inches. Is that right?
No easy days for gel block Jim.
Never seen HST perform like that. Guess I'll go watch that other video now.
That said, it performed quite well.
The 165 GD performance is pretty much textbook perfect as well. Not sure what more you'd ask for. I personally prefer the 40 in the 155GoldDot, but it's no longer available. It ran 1250fps from a Glock 22. I still have a full case of it, just in case
Odd. I scrolled the video back to get the link to the previous review (I saw it pop up the first time through). The link doesn't pop up watching it the 2nd thru 4th times. Guess I'll try to search it on your page. I don't tend to have a great deal of luck with that. 🤞
Maybe this will help
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Yes the 180gr performed better even so it has less velocity. I have observed the same thing with 45 ACP tests that mostly the 230gr bullets open up wider and making a bigger wound chanel vs the 185gr bullets. I think with modern bullet technoligy the velocity arent important that much any more.
😁👍 Always enjoy jell block tests. Unfortunately You are in big trouble. Someone called and you are going to be hearing from the SPCJ! “Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Jim!”
Lol poor ol Jim, he has a rough way to go for sure
Do you use Hornady at all? My carry ammo is Hornady Critical Duty +P 135gr
and the round that I caught was fully opened, and blew up water jug I tried to catch it in. Just wondering?
I do, I’ll try to get some more to test as most of my hornady loads are handloads with xtp bullets.
Like critical duty got in their 175gr 40s&w ammo
If you're carrying 9mm, the Critical Duty 135 grain +P is about as good as it gets for the caliber.
You're doing just fine.
Those rounds perform well through barriers & expand reliably (although not the most extreme expansion out there) & penetrate optimally.
I prefer .40 for carry, but when I do carry 9mm, that's the ammo I use.
40 is still better and I think it showed here too though not as dramatic as the 180gr.
i like the .40, in fact i load my .357 ammo to .40 ballistics eg. 158gr at 1200fps
Lol, I carry 9mm more than 40 nowadays, and usually HST 124gr at that, but I’m just not seeing what you’re seeing in this comparison. Too me the 165gr 40 Gold Dots edged this comparison, even if not by much.
I’d be just fine with either one.
Hst will work better in short barrels gold dot better in full size
I can't decide between 165 gr hst and gold dot 40 cal !!!! Help me !!!
Hard to go wrong with an HST… or a gold dot lol 😂
Don't laugh I carry 180 winchester white box
At least your carrying ✊🏽
Man I felt sorry for you. It hurt just to listen to you! Lol Gold Dots always seen to need an extra 1/4-1/2 inch to perform as well as HST's. Another fine mess you've started Stanley. (Old tv show before your time)
.40sw has a lot more potential ... 165/155 grain = sweetspot .... 125/145 = 357sig.... 158/180 = 357 mag
A surgeon wouldn't be able to tell the difference and the same for 45ACP in the wounds left by either, human tissue doesn't react like gelatin. Bullet placement what matters not the caliber, both will do well if they hit critical areas of the body.
Shot placement is a luxury in real life. Bigger bullet, bigger hole, more blood loss. It makes a difference, absolutely. Most people die from blood loss.
I think you are 9 mm fan boy very biased clearly the 40 caliber was deeper and the wound channel was better you even said it yourself wow that's horrible man
Lol ohhhh okay. Even though I literally carry 40 or 10mm most of the time lol 😂