The MOST Fair 9mm VS .40 VS .45 Ballistic Test You Will Ever See! Underwood Nosler Light for Caliber
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- Testing out the Underwood JHP ammunition with Nosler bullets. The 9mm is a 115 gr+P+ rated at 1,400 FPS, the .40 S&W is a 150 gr rated at 1,300 FPS and the .45 ACP is a 185 gr+P rated at 1,200 FPS. I use 5.0" M&P's for the 9mm and .40 and a 5.3" Glock 41 for the .45 ACP. I am doing a 10% Clear Ballistics test with and without 1/4" medium density fiberboard (to represent ribs or sternum VS no MDF to represent a "gut shot"), as well as a 10 yard practical accuracy drill. Always appreciative of any channel help :) www.patreon.com/user?u=5828221
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I want to take the time to address the same comment I get almost daily on my channel in regards to testing 9mm+P VS .45 ACP VS .40 S&W. People will ask why the 9mm and .45 ACP are +P but the .40 S&W is not. It's pretty simple, the 9mm and the .45 ACP are both over 100 years old and their original design was for guns that could not handle more pressure. Now fast forward over 100 years and modern guns can easily handle more pressure, so under SAAMI specification the .45 ACP maximum pressure of 21,000 PSI was bumped up to 23,000 PSI with +P. The 9mm under SAAMI specification max pressure of 35,000 PSI was bumped up to 38,500 PSI with +P. The .40 S&W was created around 30 years ago well into modern metallurgy times, so it's creation simply started out at what is essentially +P pressure of 35,000 PSI, but not labeled as +P as there's no need to label it as such. There IS NO .40 S&W+P under SAAMI spec, so I do not use what does not exist.
that's a good bit of info, I was wondering that myself.
Ok so why didn’t you use 40+p😂….
You could have used 40 caliber “Buffalo Bore” or “Underwood” ammo which would have simulated +P or +P+ and then it would have actually been a fare comparison/test against the +P+
9 millimeter and +P 45 caliber rounds.
40+P does exist, it is called 10mm and has a SAAMI of 37,500 psi. The 40 S&W is the weakened child of the real caliber.
@@jamesw713 James, no one is arguing that the 10mm is stronger than the 40 cal everyone knows that, but that’s not applicable to this particular test video because he’s comparing the 9mm 40 cal and 45 cal but his conclusions aren’t accurate because he uses “Plus P” or “Plus P Plus” ammo for the 9 & 45 but strategically chose to only use standard ammo for the 40 cal when enhanced ammo is readily available for the 40 caliber. I like all three calibers he compared and I have handguns in all three calibers but my point is, if your going to do a comparison video, than do it equally so that your end results are accurate for the viewers.
.40 s&w is the ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto though, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 155gr/150gr being the ideal bullet weight for the .40 s&w!
Still the best choice in my opinion too.
45 the best
@@504Trey agree to disagree
@@504Trey Try shooting auto glass from varying distances, 45 just does not cut it like other calibers. Its great for soft targets though.
@@rtaggs8178
Why would I be shooting through auto glass?? 🤔💀
A great test! Thank you. I have been a big advocate of 185 grain jhp in the 45 for a long time. Hollow point bullets need velocity to expand and that often means heavier isn't better.
Thanks. I have often wondered if it's velocity, or energy per weight. It's a small bullet lengthwise and a lot of energy on it.
Thats the logik normaly but it is has more to do with bullet design and how hard the alloying is. Sometimes lighter bullets with high velocity dont expand well but slower heavier bullets do.
@@Gieszkanne Indeed sir. Bullet material and construction means a lot more than most people consider. Maybe because it is just not part of the equations on the box, nor is the info readily available.
It's all about bullet design. Some bullets do well at higher velocities, others start to experience all types of failures, like over expansion, no expansion (might clog hard not allowing the expansion), jacket separation, accuracy issues, and under penetration. So it all depends on the bullet. Higher velocity is not always better. It seems counter intuitive, but it is what it is.
@BigBear-- More accurate to say that the vast majority do better at higher velocities. The 45 acp is a very low velocity cartridge and over driving it is near impossible. On the other hand, inadequate velocity to expand happens for many many 45 acp rounds.
Sir, you are much more experienced than I, yet you demonstrated why I do NOT have safeties on my carry weapons.
Second video in this series: th-cam.com/video/XdxpilsGFKk/w-d-xo.html
I’ve owned and loved 45… I switched to 40 because of higher capacity and similar ballistics… I was forced to switch to 9mm because of injuries…. 9mm is the easiest thing to use that still works ok 👍
I agree, absolutely!
i love .40 s&w, it is my favorite and ideal cartridge caliber, but 180gr was always too heavy for the .40 s&w, great for the 10mm auto, between 135gr minimum and 165gr maximum parameters is best, with 180gr bullet weight being ideal
P.S. I hope a couple of your future tests w ammo I am sending will prove that Old School tech bullets still can work great for civilians not as worried about barrier penetration like LE has to as long as it is pushed to a fast enough velocity. Real World results tended to say those worked really well (and better than the same bullets at standard velocity). Old Tech, from longer barrels, at plus p or hot velocity. It's the modern Micro/Subs/Snubs that may need higher newer tech bullets...And in Ammogaddon that might mean the expensive stuff for the short barrels and old school/cheaper for the longer barreled pistols IMO. Thanks again!
What do you think of Federal Hi-Shok? I can always find Hi-Shok 9mm in 115 and 147 grain but have heard that the it doesn't expand reliably.
I agree some old rounds are as good & cost less
@@timrobinson6573 ask Sam...all depends on barrel length. 115 prob ok from 4" or longer 147 who knows...but that's just a guess would need to do your own research. Neither would be carry choice just shtf maybe. 124Plus p one of the top 6 in my 5+1 best ammo choices vid
@@nicholasroberts9618 that stuff is fierce coming out of a snub nose revolver. My hand was numb for three days. I liked it though.
@@totalnewb123 That & the huge blast is why I sold all my 357s . If you shot it in doors with no ear pro it would be ugly . I went to 44 , 45 & 9mm back in the day .
I own a Glock 17, 22, and 27 -- the recoil is a little less with the 9mm. But I would rather carry the .40 S&W. The .40 is a good mix of power and capacity.
the lowish recoil, capacity and good ballistic performance makes the 9mm a winner. I wouldn`t be surprised if the 40 and 45 needs to be made heavier as well due to pressure
Yup
Best test I've found. You used the same Ammo brand, all JHP ammo, and a clear comparison of each caliber. Thank you for taking the time to put this up!
Your videos helped me choose my carry ammunition for my HK45. Thanks for the detailed ammunition reviews.
"Velocity and expansion are variables! Mass and cross section are constants!" The late Colonel Jeff Cooper
Finally, someone addresses sectional density in one of these ballistics gel tests.
Thank you sir. I just bought some underwood 40sw 150g nosler to load in one of my carry pistols(4” barrel). I feel very confident now it packs a punch.
PWC FOR ALL MEASURED IN VOLUME:
9mm - 4.75 cubic inches.
40 S&W - 8.64 cubic inches.
45 ACP - 6.53 cubic inches.
It seems in this test, 40 S&W was far and away the best. Typically we see largest expansion with 45, so this particular 40 S&W load is very good.
That 9mm was hot! Looks like it kicked just as the .40 . But the 40 was the clear winner in the gel!
I love all of your videos, I like how fair and thorough they are as well as how many different things you test, from large bear defense guns to lighter recoil calibers for self defense. I think this really goes to show that with all handgun rounds there is no guaranteed fight stopper, all of these will do the job if placed correctly and none of them are a magic bullet that sends the bad guy flying like in the movies.
Great job! Very thorough, educational, and fun.
Good demonstration. All calibers hit the gel blocks violently. I have all calibers from .45 down to .22, revolvers and semi's. I carry .40 almost exclusively same as I did during my 25yrs as LEO. I will carry a J-frame on special occasions though. Keep up the good work.
Here’s more empirical data that folks may have retired their .40s way too soon. Such a superb street proven round. I choose my Glock .40 over my Glock .45 for HD. Thanks for the great video.
Good results. Great comparison test. Thank you.
I had the same problem with the safety on my M&P 2.0. It ended up breaking so I removed it and put in the frame plugs. It works much better now.
Excellent video. Can't wait for the video your going to put out next.
Nice! I appreciate the test and video. LFC tests are always interesting to me. Those head shots were fun. Good commentary on less than ideal, real world rapid fire (but it happens).
What does this show that GODS Caliber is still relevant 😌
Which 'god' is that?
Except 357 mag wasn't used.. this video was for who's in second place.
@@martinkavanagh9641 God of Israel
Really liked this comparison. Great video. Great shooting too.
Great format for a good video testing light bullets in each caliber, comparing apples to apples instead of apples to oranges. I'm looking forward to the heavier bullet test, and I think I'll subscribe now. 😎
A 🔨 of a test Sam!! Lol awesome demonstration and test 👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks.
That was entertaining. That’s for the efforts.
Thanks for watching!
Interesting vid. Thank you. And thank you for mentioning sectional density. Practically nobody these days talks about it. I think most have no idea what it is. Me being an old time deer hunter, i always think in terms of S.D. Hence my reason for choosing heavier for caliber bullet weights. Not the top weights, since I want some velocity also. But in the middle. 124 for 9mm, 180 for 40sw, etc.
Man those M&P pistols are making my jealous. I got the compact 2.0 but those 5 inch models gotta be great shooters.
Next Sam! The fairest test between .45acp+, .88 magnum +P+, and a 40W laser plasma. Great videos and testing. Well done Sir!🎩☯️♠️
A really nice presentation. I was impressed with you did the comparison camera screen shots.
excellent presentation sir! One of your best I think!
Thank you.
Those were all quite good by modern defensive standards. I’d carry any of them. 45 years ago, the options were pretty much ball, or a 200 cast SWC in .45, and ball or JHP that didn’t work in 9mm. Back then, I chose the .45 and I’d carry a 200 gr.H&G cast SWC now, if it was all I could get. Some of today’s bullets are really good. I still have Federal 9BPLE in my Beretta 92, but science keeps advancing.👍 Thanks.
I tested the 9BPLE a few days ago. Video is still unreleased.
@@GunSam I look forward to it.👍
My G23 shooting 180gr HSTs has better pen(13"-14"), better wound cavity, and better expansion(.68-.73) that the (150-200fps)faster heavier 10mm 200 gr HST from my G20(11-12".... .59-65).
To much speed causes rapid expansion that slows the round faster and then peels the petals back further to quickly, so you lose pen and expansion.
Good video. I agree with Cliff. Take care.
Thank you
Love how everything is on the same playing field in this test
Sam is very considerate unlike other channels which compare "same, " yet the rounds are different in bullet type, grain, and use a suppressor.
+p+ on the 9m ???
@@lewistwist 185 +p about as close as you get to +p+ unless going to 45 super,would require same installing stronger recoil spring and beefing up his mag spring. Most manufacturers won't push 45acp to its potential because of all the unsupported chambers,mainly in 1911s. I could give Sam some super recipes that destroy 10mm though 🤣
@@ratagris21 Same with perception of recoil. People will put their .45 in a heavy 1911 and feel a lighter "push" recoil, then shoot .40 out of a compact polymer Glock and feel a "snappier" recoil and claim that .40 must magically be a worse recoiling round. The reality is that if you read any reloading manual with recipes, you'll see substantial crossover between 9mm, .40, and .45 in terms of bullet weight and powder charge. The rounds are more similar than they are different.
@@Jason608 true, but some people just hype up stuff for an ego trip.
Heck yeah, this is gonna be a good one!
P.S. been said Seal Team 6 had 185 plus p jhp in their Mark24 HK45c as I discussed in my 2 hk45c vids...guessing Golden Saber but who knows. Would love to see what a 185 plus p hst would look like.
Impressive ammunition to say the least and highly consistent. Underwood makes really good stuff. I always see Scott from Kentucky Ballistics using it, or Federal
Thanks again for the great work
Very great Idea ! Thanks for this vidéo. I would like to see non-expensive comparison with g9 n co. And .380.
(I paused during the chrono session to write this so no idea yet how they perform) -- That 9mm loading was giving you, from a pistol, very, very close to what I clocked Federal 9BPLE (115gr +P+) from a 10.5" SMG barrel (Colt 635). That was back probably just over 20 years ago (geez, I'm getting old) so this speaks wonders on what companies have managed to do with powder chemistry.
Amazing video! Those Noslers dump a whole bunch of energy really fast with all that push behind them. Good shooting there Tex. But par for the course with you, sir.
I think the biggest issue as far as choosing 9 vs 40 vs 45 is you can factor out capacity in California. Which sucks.
Thanks for sharing the link to this video. I just acquired an FN FNP-40 and am looking forward to handloading bullets in the 150-165 range. Several candidates with the 150 Asp near the top of the list
even when you handicapped the .40 s&w as much as you did, either on purpose or clumsily, it still performed the best.... by a mile
How was it handicapped?
12:20 that's a beautiful shot. most people would have lied and said yep right where I wanted it to go. lol. props
I’m considering a handgun of home defense and EDC. This video clearly shows the .40 and .45 rounds really tearing up the gel, but it seems that the 9mm holds it own. Your ability to stay on target with the 9mm gives me confidence that the 9mm has plenty of lethality to stop an intruder or attacker. Thanks again.
I used to think the 9mm was great, but real world information really shows it differently. I have seen a lot of evidence in videos of 9mm not working at all and .40 working very well. I haven't seen any .45 videos where I can confirm a .45 was used.
@@GunSam Thanks for your insight. I’m still open to the .40 S&W, Does the issue w/ 9mm failing have to do with quality or just the fact that most have “luger” action?
@@GunSam where can I look for the real world data
Bullet placement is what counts.IMHO
@@Grunt49 , Great in theory but in real world high stress situations accurate placement is a lot harder.
Kudos for matching sectional densities between the 9, 40, & 45 to .130. I think when you match sectional density you get a more fair comparison between dissimilar bullet diameters/calibers vs the common tendency to match bullet weights. Although I'm puzzled why you are measuring to the backside of the bullet on a couple of the shots versus to the leading edge? That aside was a good video, I enjoyed it. Much appreciated.
BTW I doubt limp wristing was an issue with the 40. I've never noticed a 40 to be affected by that with the higher slide thrust they generate.
When you read off the bullet weights I thought "Holy crap this actually is going to be fair".
BEAUTIFUL hat brother Sam
Cool video thanks.
Thanks for comparing pistols ofnsimiliar size and caliber density. Good job and data points
These light for caliber performed well, but I really excited to see how the heavier bullets perform. Thanks for addressing the real world vs. "spray and pray." This thinking that you are unarmed unless you have 15 plus 1 in your gun needs to be debunked.
Mix that with the fact that some people even use .38 Special revolvers which bounces off winter clothing or baby skin. They are truly unarmed.
@@GunSam LOL!
@@GunSam I HATE when that happens lol. My husband carries a 442 smith 1 7/8 barrel and standard pressure 158gr semi wadcutters. He says he can hit with it just fine.
@@nicholasroberts9618 wow! I think I’ll stick with my 230 grain Golden Saber.
@@nicholasroberts9618 Don't try that at home !!!!!
I carry a Glock 32c in 357Sig, but been thinking of changing it to a 40 caliber. I love the 357Sig though!
Thanks for testing these, Sam. They appear to be powerful and effective in all three calibers. I have it on good authority that even in a shorter barrel the 9mm will expand and penetrate about the same as from the longer barrel. Nosler makes good bullets, and IMHO, Underwood loads some excellent ammo.
Based on this presentation, I'd have to agree - very impressive!
Excellent video! Very well presented. Also, you are one helluva good shot! I was impressed with the force of the .45 ace rounds. Fine penetration with perfect expansion. All the rounds did well, but I would say the .45 would have the best stopping power. Love your videos.
Overall not a bad review. I believe with bullet expansion, fpe and penetration I would choose the .40 cal. . Although I normally choose my EDC by season. I have a few in each cal. 9mm, .40 cal. , 45 ACP and 10 mm. 10mm normally when I go hunting as a backup to my rifle or shotgun.
I appreciate that you don't edit out the malfunctions. Shows us that we should shoot plenty of defense rounds through our carry pistols before counting on them. In light of this, I will be taking a few boxes of GD and HST with me to shoot next time I go camping.
Sam, I noticed you have a 1.0 and 2.0 M&P. I have the 1.0 Full Size M&P 4.25 and a Compact 2.0 and noticed a substantial difference in the trigger pull. Did you do any work to the 1. like smooth it out or anything??
I have many pistols in all three of these calibers but I still prefer my Springfield XDs in .45 acp. I use 6+1 185gr Golden Saber rounds which produce 1013fps/422fpe consistently. They have excellent expansion & penetration. My 2nd favorite is my Glock 29 in 10mm, but it gets to heavy and bulky after several hours of carrying.
i do as well. i have the m&p shield pc and its a tack driver for a 3.3 inch barrel.
Dude this 150 gr .40 rocked! This, 165 gr gold dot, or 180 hst which would you pick and which have lowest recoil or all about the same?
it's been awhile so I can't remember the recoil. In this pistol it's difficult to feel a difference in recoil. If I had to pick one I would go 165 gr as if I recall, multiple 180 gr loads fail to expand, so I feel 165 is the better go to weight in any major brand.
also I did this test th-cam.com/video/zp30c66BsD8/w-d-xo.html
@@GunSam thanks so much just finished it and commented
Finally!!! Great video
Hi Sam, ballistics aside, you put a .45 slug in the guy's face, it doesn't get any worse for him :D A suggestion: could you shoot loads at different heights (load A, height X) in the gel? MDF first on the left, without on the right? We would be able to see the cavities better, this way.
You put any of these in someone’s face the effect would be equal across the board…
👍👍Great test!!
Thank you
I was prepared to debate your video title, but I instead agree it was a very nicely done comparison outside of lab conditions. I switched to carrying 10mm and 45ACP after the Live Goat tests that the FBI did way back when I was in the academy but I am starting to concede that modern 9mm is not the crap show that it once was.
The .40 cal.is more expansion than 45 acp and 9mm so the .40 cal.is the best
I’d be happy with any of them. They all produce over 500 foot pounds of energy.
And yet, any pistol is a compromise when it comes to stopping a threat. A simple blast from a common 150gr .30-30 yields 1,903 ft-lb. A rifle isn't always convenient, but boy, do they easily get the job done and reach out to touch something.
@@exothermal.sprocket Boy howdy. I agree 100%. Unfortunately the weapon most people have handy is a pistol. You know the old saying, you use your pistol to fight your way to a long gun.
@@maxmccain8950 Fo sho.
Rifles are vastly superior, but they also penetrate way to much. Shooting through walls is a real issue, handguns or shotguns with buckshot help limit that
@@sleeper.simulant7327 Very much a generalization. I know rifle rounds doing 4000+ FPS that disintegrate on impact, on a critter that's no more than 2" thick. I also know rifle rounds that will go through an elk end-to-end.
What's your take on measuring of the deformed bullets? If a tiny bit of jacket sticks out the measurement is around .90'' for the .40 S&W while between .65 - .70 if a mean was taken. I just bring it up based on the other hp rounds tested that tend to stretch the arms out are either very uniform or wouldn't open at all with or without the fibre board.
What do you consider the middle of the road round when the Nosler open a bit early while others like the Ranger T variants won't open even from the 5'' barrel? I'm looking forward to the 124gr. variant video.
I find it difficult to do an average measurement. SO I just do biggest points, but you're not wrong to think one with more overall expansion has more expansion.
@@GunSam
Biggest & smallest distance /2 quite a bit closer, and perhaps the mean with and without the particle board bone.
I will stick with my .40 Speer Lawman, 165 grain, JHP. It is easier to control and penetrates better/deeper. If it doesn't expand as much it still puts a pretty good sized hole, about .50 plus every time. The .40 you tested expanded to .977 or about that, but penetration in bare gel was kinda weak. IMHO. Love you videos, but not so much these three boutique ammos. Thanks for the great review and info!
Isn't Speer Lawman FMJ??
@@rob.3575 Yeah, you're right. The Lawman are the practice rounds and the Gold Dot are the duty rounds, I misspoke. I have both in the safe and I must be getting old/senile. LOL!
Traditionally , the Lawman sub branding simply meant " normal first quality " brass cased . Before Gold Dots , their conventional bulleted LE ammo was marked as Lawman .
The penetration was exactly as designed/ intended . It's a Feature , not a Fault .
Massive expansion with 12-14 in penetration vs moderate expansion with deep penetration is an eternal debate of Tastes Great vs Less Filling porportions , with near religious conviction on both sides .
If you prefer the later , the 165 Gold Dot doesn't suck .
@@filianablanxart8305 My stash isn't that old. I retired in 2014. When I retired I bought Glock 22 and a Glock 27 because that is what I carried and I feel well armed with when the need arises. My daily carry though is my 640-1 that was my original backup gun loaded with the old Federal 147 grain, jacketed hydrashock, .38 special +p+. Its not as loud as the .357 loads and easier for follow up shots.
Back before Underwood got really big I contacted Kevin Underwood several times. Real nice guy BTW. I doubt you can call him on the phone these days. At that time Kevin used actual firearms while developing all his loads. I was told he used the most common firearm commonly used for the caliber under development unless he was developing a load for a specific platform. I can't say he still does the same these days but my guess is he does. So if you keep in mind what the most common firearms for each given caliber is you should have a good idea of barrel length used to get the FPS stated on the box. Most ammo manufactures use test barrels and you cant extrapolate anything from their rated FPS on the box. In my limited testing Underwood ammo has always hit or exceeded the rated FPS stated on the box when using a standard sized firearm for the caliber. AKA Glock 19 (4 inch barrel) for 9mm and a full sized 1911 (5 inch barrel) for 45 ACP. No .40 here. It's strange the 45 ACP you tested did not make close to its rated FPS in your 5.3 in Glock 41. My Underwood ammo is from back in the day and either uses Speer Gold Dots or Hornady XTP's BTW. Maybe they had to back the 45 ACP down and did not change the rated FPS? Oh well I cant wait to see the testing with standard for caliber bullet weights.
Good video, I like the 9 vs 40 vs 45 vids
Awesome video boss man‼️👍👍👍👍🎯🎯🎯💯💯
Perfect performance all across the board. Take your pick in caliber because they all work great.
Very interesting test. That was the first negative I have seen with your 9 mm M&P 2.0.
You did a fantastic job with your test! My S&W .40 doesn’t have an external Safety.
Still staying with Hornady critical duty.and my Beretta storm.no safety. No malfunctions.
So… shoot what you shoot well, because they aren’t too far apart performance-wise. Just be first to make hits.
Yeah I’ve never seen a +p 40 cal.. makes sense GunSam!!!
When seconds count between life and death. Thanks for sharing why it's best to stay away from anything with a safety.
Very impressive ammo... that 9mm is the same velocity as the .38 Super JHP I use...
Great comparison and excellent reason I don't own any defensive handguns with manual safeties. We all just watched you come in second in a gun fight.
What if you were in a gun fight and other guy shoots at you a couple times and misses An you get your gun out and off safe the shooter is running away You follow him home know where he lives Next day you go to his place follow him down side walk get your gun off safe Can you shoot him cause he fired at you first with a deadly weapon ?
We have all 3 calibers in our home but the 40 sets on my bedside table. Any of these will work fine for self defense but after witnessing first had the damage the 40 does hitting targets, trees, the ground or whatever I feel the 40 has a lot more destructive effect. So it’s my go to piece.
Thanks, You tested that underwood 45 ACP +P 185 grain before and it performed slightly better than rated velocity of 1200 fps and this batch is quite a bit lower so that's kind of puzzling - I think you were using the same pistol...even so it's still a good round!
What i inferred was to use the lightest recoil and controllable round which was the 9mm . It performed about the same on the gelatin as the .45 and . 40. Perhaps the .40 is a good all purpose round when all things are considered. Perhaps the best data would be from hospital emergency rooms and surgeries documenting actual human wounds vs caliber?
PS. I carry .380, 9mm, and .40
I've been looking at the Underwood 9mm 147 +P Nosler sporting hollow points but I don't know anything about Nosler projectiles so I haven't bought the ammo.
You get your money's worth for Nosler Rounds. GB Goods uses the Noslers for accuracy comparison when available because of the consistency in the Quality of the rounds.
People hate on.40 yet it won in my opinion
All three calibers are good. Pick the one you are most accurate with and easiest to control.
I agree with the idea of quality shots over quantity of shots. Fewer deeper shots > more scattershots.
However, to achieve that deeper penetration, I would skew toward heavier loads.
. My point is mostly @ the 40 cal , @3:57 & again later it jammed . When you shoot ammo that is too hot for the DESIGN , bad things can happen . Slide speed is up , I don't recall the track record of THAT 40 . I think all this ammo would work at less Vel , I would feel better about it if it was used in a strong revolver OR rifle . +P can be hard on some guns , I would want to use ammo that's in the middle of the specs for any gun . Cold weather is a time when it's possible more power is OK .
For an auto , I want it to cycle every time , better a FMJ that works , than the best Wiz Bang round that jams your auto .
Those are definitely the hottest 9mm loads I've ever seen
.40 s&w is not a dead round, and in my opinion it should be the top choice and most popular, NOT the 9mm
I have the 115 gr +p at 1300 fps. That’s a hot little pill.
It’s hot but if I want spicy I’ll switch to .357 sig. 1300+ fps from a 3” barrel 😵💫! Lmao
I like the comparison you did. So much similarity between the 3 calibers. Great expansion on all three in full sized guns. Do they work the same in a micro sized gun or is the velocity loss too great to over come like some revolver ammo. IMO it is shot placement that is the key item as long as there is a decent amount of penetration. No handgun is a really good terminal tool for people compared to a rifle and shotgun. But even with those you have to get a GOOD hit. Yeah a wound in the extremity "can" be fatal ( ie femoral artery) but a center punch or cranial hit with at least 8" penetration will do damage to critical organs.
The classic rule of thumb is that +P from a shorty semiauto will be ( at least) equivalent to std vel of same bullet weight from a full size pistol .
You should have more subs!! I’ll definitely point all the .40 haters to this video lmao 🤣 !! Great shooting. Your nickname should be the human bench-rest 😅!
Dude, I've heard other youtubers saying that the 45 super is very similar to a 10mm, do you think that's true?
From what I have seen yes. I think a hot 10mm might be more powerful, but not by a lot. Like 720 ft lbs or so for a hot .45 Super and 750 or so for a hot 10mm.
Exemplary MAC video showing how to make an interesting topic completely boring and unwatchable.
@@GunSam Do you need another barrel for your glock to shoot 45 super?
Same energy (roughly), same sectional density, and you got the same penetration, roughly. Interesting. It makes me wonder if there is a way to model that. For example, what if you take the sectional density as grains divided by diameter in inches, and then multiply that by the calculated energy in ft-lbs. I'm wondering if you will get a number that correlates strongly with the penetration into the bare gel.
Probably, but also the thing you taught me is at play, as I can think of no reason for the .45 to go deeper other than more momentum, which would have to be more even with the same sectional density. But in general I see a lot of the same penetration, if a 124 9mm expands to about .55 with normal ammo", we get around 16" penetration or so, around 450-500 FPE more like 18" penetration if we stay at .55". But then again some HP's expanded are more "talon-ey" and make tumbling from one side being more expanded than the other side, so you never know.
@@GunSam Momentum is tied to sectional density. For a given caliber of bullet, more mass gives more sectional density. Energy is work and is measured in ft-lbs in the American gun world. If you lift 80 lbs of salt one foot, you did 80 ft-lbs, the hot end of 22LR out of pistols. Mind you, things get rather complicated as energy can be spent only once. Deforming a bullet costs energy. Pushing aside gel costs energy. There is also the rate energy is being spent, power.
Things get complicated fast, and we haven't even begun to explore fluid dynamics yet!
your land is beautiful, I cant wait to buy some land.
I don't think I've ever seen such awesome expansion before, that 40 expanded to 0.897! Whay underwood load was that? They have several different loads on their website, anywhere from 100gr to 200gr. I think you mentioned this was a nosler, I'd be curious to see if the 135's, 155's, or 180's have better expansion my guess would be the lighter ones expand faster but penetrate less, where the heavier bullets penetrate deeper at least that's how I've seen 9mm perform typically. I just got my first 40 I'm looking for the best hunting ammo and best self defense / home defense load for it!
Federal HST 180/165 grain in .40 was the go to for a lot of police issued pistols in that caliber when it came out. I still maintain it's one of the best. Can't go wrong with 180 HST. It's my preference just because every shot I've fired has expanded exactly as intended and it slams the target with energy without being too hot to over penetrate. It's really consistent. The 165 is a little more snappy on recoil but still great.
Wish I could get some of this ammo for my 40 MP and my SR1911.