A Very Personal .40 S&W Test - Speer Gold Dot VS Federal HST - Which is Your Favorite?
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- Testing the Speer Gold Dot and Federal HST .40 S&W ammo both in 165 gr from my 5" S&W M&P40 pistol into 10% Clear Ballistics, as well as an important story as to why I am doing this test.
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I wanted to mention because of a lot of comments, that my health is complicated. I am not back in any way. I have been ill for over a month and spent some time in the hospital in December, but I am still very ill with various illnesses and potentially some unknown illnesses. I pushed myself to film the outdoor portion of this video and it took everything out of me. I don't think I can film anything outdoors for some time. I am doing my best but for the time being I cannot film the way that I used to.
Get well soon !
Please take time to take care of yourself!🙏
Hey, hope you get better soon.. great video. I would figure you would have tied this video with save the 40 s&w series. Back in 2012 I carry and used federal hst 165 grain. For personal defense. I used the federal round to incapacitate a pit bull that charged at me. I hit the threat center mass in the chest. As a result, the bullet tumble inside of him and came out its right side of it face. The dog ran off about 25 yards then turn back around to charge at me again. he was about 5 yards again and saw my firearm and ran off for good to his master. From my understanding the dog had to be put down and I was cleared without incident. Good luck hope you feel better. I was hoping you did a stand off between federal. Hst, gold dot. Hornady critical defense. Winchester defender, and remington ultimate defense/ golden Saber 165 grain would have been cool against windshield test/ car door since it's your car/truck gun.
Hoping for speedy recovery and answers to the unknown
Get better. Rest all ya can and heal up.
TH-cam can wait for a wee bit for you to recover.
Of late, I find myself gravitating to .357 magnum for concealed carry.
But.
For many years, my go-to, EDC, was a Glock 27 or 23 .40 S&W.
I've liked the cartridge since its inception and proliferation back in the 90's and feel that it's a lot better than non-+p and most +p 9mm.
It's only in certain loadings in +p or +p+ that 9mm approaches or matches standard .40S&W out in the REAL world.
I have been a range officer for the CHP for 22 years. We currently carry the 180 grain HST, in the SW MP .40. We have been issued ammo in the past from Gold Dot, Remington Golden Saber, Winchester Ranger T-Series, and Winchester Ranger ( last non-premium ammo we carried circa 2004ish). Of those I didn’t like the either of the Winchester, both due to my range performance with it and in OIS, and I wasn’t a big fan of the Remington either. The Sabers had squib load issues and jacket separation problems.
I investigated Officers Shootings (OIS), for about 12 years as a member of a shooting team in two different Divisions, and saw plenty of dead subjects from .40 SW rounds. The Gold Dot did amazing. I saw what they do to stop a threat, in homes, cars or open spaces, and the Gold Dot just flat out does what it is supposed to do. I was so impressed by the Gold Dots I carry Gold Dot’s in my backup/conceal carry 9mm, .38 Special, .357, .380. and .45. to this day.
However, the HST has been our duty ammo for the past five plus years or so, and it does a phenomenal job. CHP tests our ammo constantly and if it doesn’t make our penetration, velocity, and weight retention standards when randomly pulled for testing, then that ammo is replaced by which ever premium self defense .40 SW 180 grain subsonic load will and the search for the new duty ammo will start. So HST is passing random quarterly testing for about five years or so and seems to be the best thing going in .40 SW 180 grain subsonic. Buying either of these and you will be well taken care of.
FYI for our 12 gauge it is the Federal Premium 00 Buck 9 pellet copper coated with Flight Control. I can tell you this stuff is the only defense shotgun ammo you should buy. It patterns like a slug out to about 15 yards from the 870 18 1/2 inch barrel shotgun and will continue to pattern to about a paper plate size spread to about 50 yards.
For the AR15 Patrol Rifle - SigSauer M400 - 20 Round MagPul it’s the 62 grain Gold Dot in .223 Remington and has been that way for about 15 years. Prior it was the Winchester Ranger Series but the Gold Dot .223 in 62 grain has been a solid performer for close to two decades. We had issues of the Winchesters bullet moving within the case as the round was stripped from the magazine and into the breech of the rifle. This movement caused the round to travel further into the breech, thus allowing the firing pin to fall short of the primer or make a lite-strike on the primer. This flaw caused the rifle not to fire. Often during a range session 4-6 rounds from two 20 round mags would fail to fire for this reason. Switching to Gold Dots and the problem went away.
Awesome info, thank you!
This is extremely helpful info. It seems that the HST is a very popular round and this video shows why. I’ll definitely have to get a box, and I will keep your findings in mind with the other platforms.
Little brother was part of the panel that chose Federal HST for the CHP's M&P40 2.0's. If you're stuck in a coffin and have to shoot through cars, they chose HST for it's barrier blindness and terminal expansion.
Great test. .40 S&W really is a good round overall. I was at a ballistics seminar a few years back put on by our local FBI and they way their guru put it, the .40 essentially does what a .45 does but from a 9mm sized gun ... sorta.
We tested HST rounds, 180 and 165 through auto steel, auto glass, clothing, basically their who schtick and it did VERY well. It was one of the most barrier blind .40 rounds we tested. Again, a few years back but I assume things are the same.
I, too, most often have an airweight revolver on me. But I usually have a vehicle gun, too. It may or may not also ride on me, or be secured in the vehicle, but usually the thought there is a bad situation is suddenly WAY worse. Great video!
I like the hst 165 best but I also like the barnes 140 vortx, the vortx doesnt match up ballistically but its solid copper and the expansion is about the size of a penny and the petals are kinda sharp...also expands well out of a short barrel and felt recoil similar to 9mm.
Excellent shooting and testing Sam! .40 cal is still a viable catridge as you've proved it today. Cant go wrong with these two classic rounds.
I loaded my semi-autos with Gold Dots in the '90's, then I switched to HST's in the 2000's, but I will get whichever is in stock at the time. I still load my .357Mag. with 125gr. SJHP's.
I'm glad you are back, and hope your feeling much better, stay healthy my friend.
Sam, 20 years ago I concluded that the 165gr was the best choice for my 40cal and the 155gr was very good weight also, so I carry a
3 loaded magazines two with 165gr HST and one with 155gr Federal Hydra shock .
I have never considered switching from 40cal but if I did it would be 10mm!!
Good video and great choice 👍 Safe travels.
You had a “light bulb “ experience. Good choice in the .40.
Thanks for all your time and effort bringing these videos to us. Everything is so much harder when you’re not feeling well. Pray that you’re blessed with a solution to what’s ailing you, and that you would have the best of health in the future.
I seriously just came inside from fueling up the generator in prep for the "blizzard" and thought "I wonder if Sam put up a new video". What do you know, even a fresh one with snow. Great comparison. I believe the MSP used to carry gold dot and now carry HST, 9mm of course. I think gold dots work great and HST work greater. Glad to see you up and moving around again.
Nothing wrong w HST in gun, Gold Dot 2nd mag, FMJ-FP 3rd mag...just keep the extra mags center console etc. Remember the HK employee that was testing the Ruger AC556 full auto psychos chased for miles finally he had to do work. Glad you came out ok, hope you start feeling better, and I sent an email giving you .327 HST Data straight from Federal I got this week and some others. Go to vistale look up barrier penetration results too.
I actually counted for this test lol. Fired 19 rounds of each so I had 31 of each left. Each mag 15+1. I saw the email but barely read through it. I still have fevers daily and am not really recovering. I have an infectious disease doctor appointment next week and hope to get more insight on what is going on.
@GunSam sorry man....assuming you are already on an antiviral and or antibiotic. Off the wall but Lyme disease and the Lupus I know so well are kinda hidden weird symptoms stuff too if you're not sure you have a accurate diagnosis.
I’m glad you made this one. My son’s friend had his wake up moment when he and his family were in their car being shot at from across the street. None of the 9mm hits penetrated into the cabin. He was a hardcore proponent of 9mm until that incident then switched to 40SW.
Praying for your quick recovery!
357sig even outperforms 40sw when it comes to hard barrier penetration
Wish you well and a speedy recovery
Hey Sam glad to hear your back filming
Probably won't be filming. I filmed one. Depends on how my illness goes if I will film more soon.
@GunSam oh ok....well no rush. Health comes first. I have auto immune issues too. So I understand. But sending you well wishes. But at least your back at home. Hospitals suck
Thanks for doing this for everyone. I will try to keep you in my thoughts and prayers for your health brother.
in and around vehicles, I don't think you could pick a better caliber than 40 for carry. DocGKRs own research concluded it was the best for intermediate barrier penetration, and it tends to do the best through auto doors, laminated glass (windshield) and heavy clothing. 40 also does very well against animals, too. The gold standard for animal testing is a round that does well through the laminated auto-glass test, according to Dr. Roberts. 40 also boasts really good capacity and form-factor size and weight compared to 45 but with much better intermediate barrier penetration than 9 (and on average a 33% larger wound volume).
Gary K Roberts is a dentist .... not a terminal ballistics expert. Just look at his asinine comments about the 357 Sig for starters. The guy is a joke.
He's said 357sig is perfectly fine, albeit expensive to shoot. But I'm assuming you're implying something about his dismissal of ballistic pressure wave voodoo. Remember when Massad Ayoob stated that 357sig would kill snakes just by the bullet passing near them? lol. And just a dentist? Here's a tiny part of his bio.. "Dr. Gary K. Roberts (DocGKR) is currently on staff at Stanford University Medical Center; this is a large teaching hospital and Level I Trauma center were he performs hospital dentistry and surgery. After completing his residency at Navy Hospital Oakland in 1989 while on active military duty, he studied at the Army Wound Ballistic Research Laboratory at the Letterman Army Institute of Research and became one of the first members of the International Wound Ballistic Association. Since then, he has been tasked with performing military, law enforcement, and privately funded independent wound ballistic testing and analysis. As a U.S. Navy Reserve officer from 1986 to 2008, he served on the Joint Service Wound Ballistic IPT, as well as being a consultant to the Joint FBI-USMC munitions testing program and the TSWG MURG program. He is frequently asked to provide wound ballistic technical assistance to numerous U.S. and allied SOF units and organizations, such as the Canadian Armed Forces Weapons Effect and Protection SIPES TDP. In addition, he has been a technical advisor to the Association of Firearms and Toolmark Examiners, as well as to a variety of Federal, State, and municipal law enforcement agencies. He has been a sworn Reserve Police Officer in the San Francisco Bay Area, where he now he serves in an LE training role." He's basically the worlds foremost expert of wound ballistics who picked up after Dr. Fackler's research.@@TERMINAL-BALLISTICS
@@tenmauto
It's amazing how many people blindly refer to the IWBA and Gary Roberts as the de facto authority on ballistics.
Do you know what peer-reviewed journals are and why Gary the dentist doesn't publish in them?
"The peer-review process subjects an author's scholarly work, research, or ideas to the scrutiny of others who are experts in the same field (peers) and is considered necessary to ensure academic scientific quality."
With the exception of a few doctors, the "review" panel of the IWBA is comprised of dentists physicists, criminalists, law enforcement, engineers, ect.
Engineers, physicists criminalists and alike are unequivocally [not] terminal ballistics experts. As such, you can't refer to an independent ballistics source as being the de facto authority. ... * unless the entire review panel are actually experts in the field. *
Gary K Roberts and his completely erroneous comments on the 357 Sig when compared to the 9mm = "At best it offers no gain in bullet penetration and expansion characteristics. What is the point of this cartridge?"
What kind of "ballistics expert" does a hit piece on the 357 Sig with Lucky Gunner and uses a 9mm 147gr projectile to compare ballistic performance with a 357 Sig 125gr? The answer is either an unintelligent one .... or a completely disingenuous one.
The 357 Sig unequivocally outperforms the 9mm in both penetration and cavitation and that is easily demonstrated by shooting the same bullet weight from both weapons into 10% ordinance gelatin.
Oh and Gary the dentist doesn't have even a shred of accredited authority to "dismiss" the dynamics of ballistic pressure waves.
I carry 40 as a truck gun when a shorty cant be hidden. I have another 40 around the house loaded with 165 HSTs. The truck 40 is Xtreme Defenders. Woods gun here in Idaho mountains, is 10mm loaded with hot 200g Hard cast. Pretty content wherever I am from research and testing.
One of your bette videos..and I watch them all. Good health to you!
Good to see you back. I always carry a G19 with a spare mag and never feel undergunned. You have to consider the likelihood of a stop in 5 shots and what could be the capacity of the bad guy's firearm; he could have a g17 and a 33rd magazine.
147gr +p 9mm G2 Gold Dot is a very good barrier penetrator, the same as a 180gr .40 Gold Dot in my experience. The .40 has much greater expansion through barriers like auto glass, wood and sheet metal from deformation. I don't find HST to be the most accurate or available but Gold Dot has been acceptable and always in stock.
A buddy of mine was involved in a defensive firearm use in a road rage situation. He managed to draw on a guy who drew on him first and put a couple of rounds on target from behind through a rear windshield and car seat. The guy drove 15 miles and passed out from blood loss as the police arrived. He survived his injuries and nothing happened to my friend except his firearm was seized and never returned. My friends gun was a Taurus g2c loaded with FMJ of unknown brand/weight
I am not too concerned with another person's capacity. Even with higher capacity, most shootings are stopped with 5 shots or less.
Glad you did this update and i have been wondering how you are. I truly hope things get better for you soon!! Been dealing with alot of medical issues myself and it can be very draining, i wish you the best and to see you at full speed again soon!!
You are an excellent shooter!
Great video.
Great video pray you feel better soon.
Sorry to hear you are not well mate.
Hoping you have a speedy and full recovery 🙏🙏
Thanks, good comparison and review.
Enjoyed as always……..take better care of yourself we need guys like you in our shooting community.✨
One of your best videos! The 165 grain bullets are the best for the 40 S&W. Either the Speer or the Federal worked great. I prefer the HST. The 40 S&W has fallen out of favor but it shouldn't. You made an interesting point about a full sized pistol for the vehicle. I'm glad you talked about legalities to do so. Keep up the great content!
GS. Always a good video. Road rage is for sure a scary situation, just too many crazy people out and about who seem to have no common sense or value of life. Good that you were okay. Thanks for sharing and take care.
Your tests convinced me to try out the 40 a few months ago. Love it. Get better. I hope the infectious disease guy can find answers. Daily fevers kinda sound malarial...
Im praying for you and I hope you have a full and speedy recovery.
Thank you
Hope you are feeling better, Gun Sam. You have a good channel, thank you.
Thank you
Get well soon!
Great testing. Awesome cat tower at the beginning 🐈⬛🐈
I hope you get better soon Sam! The outdoors is everything sorry to hear it’s draining you
Glad you’re ok, and glad to see the shift away from 9mm (not just here).
When I was on the job, the .40 S&W 180 gr. Ranger T worked surprisingly well. Gold Dots and HST are some of my favorites as well.
I’d like to see you run a SIG XTEN Comp. For a 10mm, it’s the nicest recoiling 10mm and pleasant with 180 gr. Defenders (low end Norma spec load).
I have Underwood 165 and 180 Gold Dots… now, for Federal to spice up their 200 HST!
My favorite EDC is the 10mm Auto followed by the .40 S&W.
Stay safe.
I still love 40 and I think you're making a great choice. Stay healthy brother and I hope you get better
Thank you
My carry decision was taken out of my hands when I found a 1000 rounds of 180 gr Speer Gold Dot at $15 a box of 50(police surplus)
Sam I’m wishing you all the best pal. Very sorry to hear you’re unwell. I see the end comfortably in my thinking. But I imagine I’d change my tune if I knew it was coming soon for sure. It is for sure for all of us of course but I hope you get to stay a good while longer. Hang in there and keep us updated. Please.
Been watching your videos for the past 4 years and learning a lot. Glad to see you're back, Sam. We have the same name btw lmfaoo. I have been carrying a 40 for the past 3 years, all my friends carry 9mm. 165gr Gold Dots loaded by Underwood has been my carry load for two years. Along with a spare mag of 115gr Xtreme Defenders. Id love to see a video on 9mm, 40s&w, and 45acp Xtreme Defender/Penetrator. Keep up the good work.
Had a similar road rage incident many years ago. I had a sp 101 with Corbon +p 38. Luckily it wasn't needed but a very stressful situation. Over 30 years ago I didn't even consider anything else as I was a replacement. Times have changed as far as what's available. Glad you are OK
Man, hope you get well soon! I own that same .40, so I appreciate when you do tests with yours - it's what made me feel better about the Critical Defense ammo I bought!
I like 180s, they aren't as snappy - but then they don't hit with as much authority either, since they can't hold as much powder as 165s and lighter.
Momentum! A 180 grain bullet hits plenty hard. One definite thing that was discovered during the Thompson and Lagarde tests back in 1904 yet somehow has been forgotten in just the last few decades by many in the gun community is that the calculated energy on paper (kinetic energy) doesn’t always equal useable energy. While a 165 grain bullet might have more kinetic energy the 180 grain still has more mass as an advantage and I can remember reading many years ago one of the FBI agents involved in the move to the .40 S&W state he wanted the round that would have the same characteristics as a 230 gr. 45 ACP round. Well they ended up determining that it needed to weigh 180 to 200 grains, and travel between 990 and 1050 feet per second (fps). So even back then the FBI understood momentum was more important than kinetic energy. How much of a difference 15 grains really makes I couldn’t say but like you I do like the recoil of the 180 gr better and a lot of law enforcement have used and still use the 180 gr round as well so I just stick with that.
40 s&w is my choice, I never left it I never will. Great choice
I have a friend who started carrying at 21 back in 01 and that was when .40 S&W was the thing. And he still carries it. He started with a Beretta 96, then went onto a Glock 23, then Sig P226 .40 and he's got a bunch more. I got into in a totally different way, I started hearing how 9mm was "king" and how .40 S&W sucks, as about 9-10 years ago people started the nonsense about .40 being terrible. I got into it by being curious, testing it and looking at street data. Considering the fact that it's about as high as you can go for a pistol that still fireds with limp wrists and regularly shows 1-2 shots stopping threats, i'd say it's about as good as it gets.
I am sorry you went through that with the road rager. I hope you get better. As to your video, I too still carry 0.40 cal in my G26. Great video.
Thanks for this review, Sam. I use a 40 S&W for my carry gun quite a bit. I've been really impressed by the accuracy but have never had the chance to fire the ammo at anything other than paper or steel targets so I always wondered about expansion in jell. My firearm is a S&W model 646 and it is amazingly easy to shoot accurately using double action. It points so naturally it is like pointing my finger and is fast to reload.
Never thought I would say this, but I think I was just convinced to buy a .40 S&W. I’ve been debating having a designated car pistol, and after seeing a couple of situations and moreso hearing your story, I need to do it. Wishing you the best, Sam.
👍 Glad you’re safe.
An excellent test and a good choice. If you want to explore alternatives, I would check out the Barnes.
Hope you feel better soon brother prayers go out to you
Thank you
Take care of yourself! Always enjoy your videos. I bought the Ruger LCR 327 myself a few years ago. I pocket carry it on the farm most days while working. Not too concerned about 2 leg varmits there so I usually carry with 32 Long or 32 H&R Mag. It carries pretty easy in my front pocket even when working. But don't often carry it in most other situations. The reason, I am concerned that if I need to protect myself it might be in a situation where I really need more rounds. Your story drives home that you never know when a threat and what type will come up. You really want to be sure that you feel comfortable with wat you are carrying when it comes. So a semi auto makes me feel a bit more prepared.
Stay strong,brother
I’d also lean to the HST but I’d be more than willing to use the Gold Dot if that was what I had. Sorry about your health issues. I’ve been dealing with some health issues for that last six months and still don’t know exactly what is going on. Hope you get that stuff figured out and can get better soon. Thanks for the videos.
I like HST .it always gets good reviews in the tests people do .thanks for testing ,I appreciate the real word scenario. And my local shops sometimes have ,HST but I don't see gold dot ever
That's a very unfortunate encounter you had and I see your reason for reconsidering your cary options. I'm sure either of those 40s would work in the unfortunate event that you would need them. Wishing you a healthier future.
Great choice bud! 👍🏼
HST is my EDC.. Great Round & Awesome Performance across the board.
Thanks for sharing your personal account! I have to agree, 40 S&W is probably the best option for that scenario.
Thanks for the video and ill send some prayers for your health.
My lcr 357 is my “last ditch” pistol. I carry a glock 27 with a 23 mag as my primary, most of the time. I do also have a 19 that sees some carry time, but the 27 sees the most use.
Thank you
I prefer 40s&w M&P first gen and I use 180 grain gold dots. I fell in love with that combo when I was cooking and a buck came very close and my hunting rifle was too far away to recover. I used my pistol with my carry ammo shot that buck at 7 yards. Buck was sideways to me and the round hit a little far back due to human error, missed first set of ribs, went through a lung hit a rib on the far side deflected and punched through the other side but looked like it was pretty much out of energy. Bullet expanded and one round did the job, buck ran and died 50 yards away (ran past my rifle). At this point I 100% trust that ammo so moving to any other ammo that to me is "new" adds a level of doubt that I should not have.
Good test, Sam! I’d lean toward the HST, but it comes down to which functions most reliably and accurately. And, since you envision defense in or from a vehicle, possibly some barrier testing might be in order. Thanks for a fascinating comparison. 👍
I carry a (5) shot revolver on occasion , but hearing your experience makes one realize that there's no substitute for firepower . The FBI concluded that the .40S&W is the best compromise and the statistics confirm it . Great test , I think either one would be good . Sorry to hear you're not completely better , but you'll get there , I'm sure of it .Thanks Gun Sam !
Thank you
Intersting results.
I agree with your assessment of the .40 S&W. My own testing has been very favorable and it remains at the top of my list.
I think it's a great cartridge. A majority of people will tell me that it's dumb and with a 10mm it's the same but better. But they are not factoring in that a 10mm is a .45 ACP frame size and that recoil can make some guns malfunction, in fact I see a lot of malfunctions online with various new 10mm pistols. Seems like .40 S&W is backed off just enough to to always run and still have a lot of stopping power potential.
Thanks Sam and hoping you get your medical issues figured out quick.
I started policework in 1998 and we carried S&W 4006’s and we used the HST ammo. We later went with Glock 21SF, which I hated. It was just big and brick on your hip. We used the HST with that as well. While on the SWAT team we carried Glock 35’s and used HST ammo. Currently we carry Glock 17’s and carry Hornady critical duty ammo. I personally EDC a Glock 23 with the Hornady ammo. Hollow points are illegal in my state.
The .40 is my go to… we still use .40s here.. this sit down talk is great, kinda like Ron Spomer … take care and glad your safe
Thank you. I felt like I had a long story, and when it was 20 degrees outside, i'm gonna rush the test part and tell the story indoors.
Sam - you really do look like it's been a rough past month. Hoping you get up to speed quickly. Had a similar road rage experience. Not sure if it was my horn that triggered it. Trying to honk less these days....😂😂😂😂 Really appreciate your braving the cold for the test!!
Some Highway Patrols tested and adopted the SIG 357 (No Dot) for penetrating car bodies.
Glad you’re feeling better! Scary tale of road rage because you’re not dealing with a rational person. The .40 HST is my pick for carry.
The PoPo in our area have used the HST for years. They seem happy with it.
Chillin ... 15 here now
I think it's probably in the 20's here, but I was looking at the weather app and next week the daytime highs are like 12, 9, 15 lol. That's too cold. Those are the days the furnace does not stop for rests, just runs loud all day.
👍😊 the one that dots the eye i grouping .
Hope you get better soon! I had a couple of young guys in a big lifted pickup try to run me up into the curb and off the road one time because they wanted to cut in front of me into a right turn lane. I guess they were pissed because I knew they were planning to do it and I took off when our light turned green, but they were going to just run right into the side of my car.
I wasn’t interested in being involved in an accident and let them go in front of me. But if they had done anything too crazy, like stop the truck and get out to mess with me, they would have been looking down the business end of a Glock 22 loaded up with Hornady Critical Duty-not a bad choice for car doors and glass.
My 40s are loaded up with Winchester Ranger 165-grain at the moment, just because I bought 500 rounds a while back on sale. It is definitely a good weight for the 40.
Good choice for a "truck gun." I picked up a S&W SD40ve a while back, and I use it for the same purpose. Glad you're ok after the road rage incident. Those can be very scary.
Sorry you had to go through that but it's good to see another person entering into reality as far as their carry gun choice after a real world dangerous situation.
I'm not even going to get into the windshield and car door penetration business. No, I'll just stay with a very general impression of "effectiveness" in my statement of personal observation. I have been known to get wrapped around the axel with all the minutia associated with "this versus that," and "that versus this" when speaking of pistol calibers. Guilty your honor. Then a couple of years ago two guys came across our stainless tables as a duo that had been in a botched home invasion. They both breached the homeowners door consecutively and both were dispatched consecutively. Both characters received two shots each. One took two to the chest and the other, one to the chest and one damn near straight between the eyes. The homeowner released the two from their earthly bonds with a Glock 19. I can't help but think the homeowner is a satisfied customer and likely (although I'll never know) isn't getting himself turned on his head over if he should have been using .40, .357 Sig, 10mm., .357 magnum, .45 acp., a rifle, or a shotgun. What struck me was 2 shots on each perp caused the passing of 2 decedents with 9mm. Luger in this particular case. Double tapping each perp was probably just good training practice but the reality is 2 shots each may not have even been necessary to affect a stop. It was sort of an epiphany for me, the guy who owns and champions all the aforementioned pistol/revolver calibers and still has some strong opinions as to each one's efficacy. It's just that today, those opinions aren't nearly as pronounced since that day.
Glad you are back on your feet! Ready for a blizzard Sam?
I hope you get better man, prayed for you...
Thank you
Sorry to hear about your health issues. I do also have a Ruger 327 federal magnum. Mine is the LCRX version. Love the round and love the gun. May I ask what your carry ammo choice is for that gun? I’m currently carrying the underwood Xtreme defender in mine. Waiting for the HST to be available though.
Sorry you had to go through that, and sorry you are sick! I hope you get better. On a different note, I only buy two kinds of ammo for my 40 S&W, the 165 grain HST, and the G9 defense 95 grain EHP. There is no better ammo as far as permanent wound cavity is concerned than the G9. Look at viper weapons systems testing on it and you will see it performed the best out of every other caliber. But it's accurate as well. If you only had one shot left and you had to make the shot count, G9 it would be for me, and it being barrier blind is a plus
.40 is a great choice brother. Take care and get well so you can get back to "work".
Prayed for ya. Will each time I review one yur vids which is rather a lot cuz it b good stuff, info! Appreciate that. But Appreciate your health more n pray God conts to tend you (n.fam)
Thank you
Federal HST seems to prevail in every "vs" review I have seen. Thanks for the comparison.
Seems like they always expand those very tough copper petals out, and they tend to stay out really big a majority of the time. Number's like .70" expansion is pretty normal or even .80" and .90" expansion for larger calibers is common. I just don't see that with other brands. Winchester T-Series does do that, but Winchester is confusing. They offer 'bonded' and 'T-Series' and other varieties all with different bullets all in the same Ranger blue box so it's easy to get something different than what you wanted. The HST is simple, always easy to get the right one. Probably why they made the name so short lol
You're my 327 Federal Magnum hommie. I got mine right next to me, lol.
I prefer the HST over the Gold Dot myself.
Please take care. I understand what road rage can be like as I had a guy wave a hatchet at me for three miles
I was wondering what you were up to. Take care of yourself. BTW I like the 40SW.
What I was up to? What does that mean? I continually release videos as I always have. If I had not released any videos for some time your comment would make sense, but continually regularly releasing videos and " I was wondering what you were up to" makes zero sense.
@@GunSam Sorry I guess That came out wrong. I have not received a notification indicating a new video came out. I went to your main page and saw that this came out several days ago.
Before I watch the vid... I'm going to say HST 180 grain for me. So now we will see.... but more important - I pray that you heal up and get to feeling better.
They'll figure out what's getting you eventually and start accurate treatment. Your recovery should go quickly after that you're a young guy.
Thanks for the test. I recently went back to .45 but found holsters, parts, and accessories can be difficult or non-existent for .45's that aren't 1911's. But they typically are available for .40's because 9x19's & .40's normally share frames. So I've gone to .40. (Beretta PX4) And I'd chosen HST 165's a few weeks ago.
You'd been fine with the LCR .327. Your mission is only to break contact. At least when you're alone. More gun does give you other options. I have LCR .327's, too, wife loves it. However, while loaded-up .327 Fed from a snub can give up to 9x19 performance, the reduced loadings and .32 mag loadings just provide .380-like performance. That's not very reassuring. Carry "more gun" when you can, as you've decided. Get well soon!
I hope you're doing well Brother
I carry 40s&w also, i use 155gr, 165 and 180gr ...I have a ton of 180gr ...
Glock 32 357 SIG loaded with hst's is my main edc and the Glock 27 for backup....I live in a bad area 😎👊
Back to carrying some .45 hardball, eh?
Get healthy soon brother
Here in Detroit the police still carry 40s. Good idea packing a bit more fire power!
Take whatever time you need, and get better. As for the .40 for a self-defense caliber, good choice. Personally, the 9mm has it's place with the modern bullets and everything, but I'm ready to distance myself from it a bit.
It comes down to what is more accurate in your Chosen Firearm.
I like what you said about the 9mm not that it's a bad round but as you said not as good one shot stopping power but what gets me is some gun channels have a love affair with the 9mm and incest that it's the only gun you need for self defence
I'm left handed, and when I'm in my truck, it's very awkward to point a gun out of the driverside window. A road rage situation would be very challenging.
Federal HST seems to be the Top Contender at the moment
get well.
Being shorter than a 9mm cartridge, you sacrifice valuable powder space with the 180gr. That sectional density could be fun to have in certain situations tho.