Nice review Bob but don’t get caught out by what seems a cheap price in America. Unlike the rest of the world Americans never include Tax on their prices as these vary from state to state, there’s also delivery and dealer fees to stump up for plus in the states you very rarely get the first service free. So yes it might be a bit cheaper in the states but after all the add ons I wouldn’t of thought there’s much difference between the one the road price in either country.
@@fibonacho no problem I figured you were thinking pre Covid and surcharges. I been paying attention and this model has had much higher price increases than the rest. Intentionality pushing the entry price up… way up probably knowing the new Sportster were coming so then when they release them the prices doest look like such a big jump…
yes, you are correct. in general, states have sales tax from 0 to 10%. mine is 7%. but that is not all. as you mention, the dealers advertise a net cost that does not include tax, freight, dealer fees and tags. and when talking about Harley, you find that basic 'extras' that anyone would want in a new bike is extra. so a listed 13K USD bike will cost you more like 15K USD out the door. the worst are concert/sports tickets. advertise at say 50 USD/ticket but in reality, you pay 70 USD. the extra 20 usually comes up as a couple line item service fees and sales tax after you have entered your CC but before you submit. a dirty trick!
This bike, this “entry” level bike (which is not an entry level bike at all) costs the same as a softail standard and only a little less than a street bob 114. Ummm, I just don’t get what Harley is thinking here? Are they just trying to make the rebel 11oo and Indian scout more popular with their prices? I waited a while thinking I would trade in my 883 for this bike when it arrived. I’m so glad I didn’t wait and picked up my low rider S instead. At this price point, Harley can keep this one.
As an American, I'm glad HD's finally starting to innovate. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the older designs, but we want to see them compete with the rest of the world, too. I'm a sportbike guy, and I want to root for the home team, but HD doesn't really make anything for people like me (yet). Hopefully they release the Bronx at some point, would love it!
I am very impressed. Harley has really done their homework and finally produced a competitive bike I might actually own one of these Nightsters one day.
I own a 48 and love it. The look, sound and feel of the bike is what made me buy it. It has that authentic old school vibe. Whilst I like the shape of the Nightster I probably wouldn’t buy one because you lose that character. Of course this is all subjective. I’m sure this will appeal to those that like the shape/form of the older sportsters but want something modern feeling…more tech, smoother and a bit more power.
I like the look of the bike, will suit some entry riders. HD are on a hiding to nothing, old school riders hate the fact it's liquid cooled (even though V-Rods had liquid cooling since 2001) and doesn't vibrate like a washing machine. New riders think it's too expensive and will look at other options like Indian and Triumph.
The only reason the last Sportster was considered an entry bike was the 30 year old motor in a 20 year old chassis. Theoretically, you can buy a Yamaha R1 as a first bike, but is it a good idea? Depends on the rider!
This bike just came out and you’re already reviewing it. You sure are in the top of your game! Eager to see what Sportster purists have to say about this one. For me it’s the perfect blend of modern tech with heritage looks in a decent value package, but I’ll have the PanAm any day instead of this for sure. Cheers mate!
The bobble heads destroyed the sportster years ago.... tagging it as a "Girls Only" bike.. Even Harley followed that que.... It killed the line... Now they come out with a bike more expensive than the Soft Tail Standard, that looks like a plastic Japanese bike and they slap the sportster tag on it... Anyone looking to buy a bike like this will get themselves an XSR900 and pocket 3.5 grand...
I really like all these new offerings by H-D. These out-side their norm are much appreciated. We have a '21 Ultra Tri-Glide and it is fantastic for our needs, but if I could have a second bike it may be the Livewire.
I ride an 883 and really like this bike, it's a perfect upgrade to the air cooled version! Would love to see it with a chunky 48 front tire, lift that fake tank, drag bags and chop the fender, cant wait to see the custom versions soon!!
Let me break this down. The Nightster is only 10% cheaper than the Sportster S, and only 3% lighter and yet delivers 28% less torque and horsepower. It has no TFT, onboard mapping, music controls, programmable rider modes, cruise control, lean angle traction control, phone connectivity, adjustable front suspension or hand adjustable rear suspension. What a bargain! I ride my Sportster S in Road mode and it delivers more power than the Nightster does in Sport mode. What is not to love? I am stunned by the price and not for a second regretting the sportster S
But for me the s isn't attractive and I hate the pipes and I was looking for a bike in the 900 - 1000 range that is not crazy fast cause I just want to cruise. So for me it's the perfect bike and it's less expensive than the s. It's a no Brainer for people like me.
Should have came in right at $10k would have been perfect on paper it’s the perfect competitor for the Honda Rebel 1100 which has gotten rave reviews but the extra 3k might be the deciding factor that’s the price of a stage one
Thank you for that very important summary. Man, after reading that I'm thinking wtf, why would anyone want that thing? Flip the seat? Pffft. Fake tank? Pffft. Dunlop tires? Not Scorchers? Does it even have LEDs? I couldn't really tell by the headlight looked like Halogen crap. I liked the full rear fender though.
I'm glad HD is using the RevMax platform to expand their offerings. $13.5k is a tough pill to swallow for all but the most ardent HD supporters though. Scout Sixty is $9k USD, that's quite a difference in price, for a spec sheet that isn't all that much worse than the HD. Sure the Harley is lighter, makes a bit more power, 1 extra gear. Step up to a scout bobber and you're still $2.5K USD cheaper for a bike that's pretty similar, even surpasses the Harley in a few categories. Send one over to me Harely, I'll chuck 2 turbo's on it.
@@jordanjoestar8839 the Harley gets 90 horsepower while only being a 975cc, has no Valve adjustments intervals like the scout, better fuel economy than the scout, its a much more efficient and lower maintenance motor 😉
@@delgande the Softails use the old Air cooled design, and its 700 pounds, the Nightster will be faster, by alot, the M8 motor will sound and feel like a classic harleys though, the Revmax motor doesnt sound or feel like a classic harley, thats up to you whether or not thats a good thing 🤭
I happen to be the owner of a 79 Sportster and I think this is a big step in the right direction. My 79 was behind the times when it left the factory but like a lot of Harley owners I just liked the way it felt to ride that bike. There will always be buyers for Harley’s but they really need to sell to some of the riders that they aren’t getting now. It’s hard to sell tradition to someone that thinks Harleys from the 90’s are old bikes. They want technology, good performance and affordability. It will take a while for Harley to adjust their image but bikes like this will help. And for the Harley riders who like the old bikes there are plenty out there to be found. Good job Harley.
I didn’t see your comment when I’d posted mine. It looks like a Victory Octane and a Honda rebel had a bastard love child. I’ve been an HD fan in the past, seeing this now is absolutely horrifying .
@@alexxbobber71 Thanks for the answer! As a fellow 6'3" small giant, I often fall in love with a midsize standard or bobber, only to fall out of love mid-test ride because my knees hurt... I've gotta try this Sportster and a Speedmaster now, I was all set on a V9 Bobber 🤷🏿♂️
@@mikewin7056 Sometimes I wonder, if along common sense, people also lost what figure of speech means. I have my motorcycle, I am happy with it. And so is my wallet.
$25.5K in NZ. About $5k more than I would expect. And $3k gets the big brother. That rectifier is going to need a cover. Well done Bob on bringing a balanced review.
It's amazing how far HD has come with their fit and finish and refinement of their bikes at least in the way of it's materials and tech etc. I think you started to notice it around 2010. Really impressed with the overall look of build quality. That said, I dislike the sort of Honda Rebel look in the upper part of the frame just behind the front forks where there are these double triangles. It's like it elongates and offsets the overall look of the bike. May be something I have to get used to. Nice review and cool to see a new bike from HD. Cheers!
@@UvidCo HAHAH! Still? Funny how no motorcycle journalist talks bout this. That sounds like a quality control issue which is still a testament to HD and their focus on just the 'look'. Too bad! I was starting to slowly like the brand after years of dogging on it.
I think when it comes to competitors you forgot the Honda Rebel 1100. At least on paper it is a very similar bike: classic cruiser lines and ergonomics paired with a modern engine and design. Power, weight and features are also similar. But it is a bit cheaper with just under 10.000 for the manual version and bit over for the DCT model.
Hey Bob, Jamo from down under here brother. I reckon you're one of the best motorcycle reviewers I've ever heard my man. Keep up the good work. Absolutely loving your videos. I'm a bit more of an old school guy and like the Chrome kind of look and probably something with a bit more punch and power but hey understand that the matte black look is really what's doing it with the young guys these days So I think Harleys going in the right direction in that perspective. Looking forward to more videos man. Keep it up
I really think HD should’ve taken a page out of Triumphs book with the almost “restomodded” modern classics. These new sportster bikes don’t have much identity, like it doesn’t know what it wants to be. HD 48 will always be my favourite Harley. Unfortunately I crashed mine😔
The increased lean angle, reduced weight, and next generation motor are all very exciting aspects of the new bike. The black frame and accents look great, but it would have been nice to see the color options incorporated into the fenders and not just the tank/airbox area. (It looks like black fenders on all 3 color options are standard?) I think it would have been more exciting and impressive to see this model with an $11-12,000 price tag to keep it competitive with the Indian Scout Bobber / Rogue models. After taxes and fees, the high price tag of roughly $14,000-16,000 may scare new riders away from this option until they depreciate. Nonetheless, this is definitely a step in the right direction for Harley.
I think it's wrong w/ all the techy doodads that will go out, and cost money to fix. COMPLETELY unneeded. They need to bring plain versions out, as well.
Last time I checked, the Sportsters are still around and in fact are growing in that line of HD's. HD created the Nightster line for those who want less noise, shakiness and power. The Nightster is an "addition," to the HD line of bike models. I can't wait to get mine.
Very good in depth description, all being said the lack of a rumbling 45 degree V-twin is the deal breaker! It’s not competitive in that sense. I would move on to a soft tail model. So no, this definitely is not a worthy successor to the very cool iconic rumbling 45 degree v-twin air cooled Sportster. No sale!
I passed my CBT last month, theory test this Friday then I'll book my Mod 1 & 2. I bought a new Keeway RKV 125 C after my CBT and I love it especially the seating position, I'm now Learner Bad Ass! Anyway, I'm 56 and will PX my Keeway and have my heart set on a HD. I don't know how long I'll be biking for but I want to have owned a Harley as part of my new passion / hobby. As a newbie fair weather weekend rider, this Nightster seems like a good step on to the HD ladder, yes?
Prices are crazy right now. I bought my softail streetbob from the showroom floor for £12,000 and got my first service thrown in, 2 years later and a sportster is more expensive...
I give it a B+. The most beautiful part of the bike for me is the engine itself and respect to HD for daring to build a performance tuned motor. Past Harleys I've ridden didn't feel like they were meant to go above 60mph. I suppose they call them cruisers for a reason. But they could have done better to preserve the heritage styling - Triumph and even Kawasaki are building way more stylish retro bikes, and for less money. If you charge a premium for brand heritage you have to be the best at it.
Exactly unfortunately this new engine is already getting problems with owners of the pan American. Not cheap to sort out and Harley Davidson not doing recall. Check out MCN issues with the Pan American.
You're thinking about it wrong-the Sportster was never supposed to be an entry or budget motorcycle, it just became a cash cow because of the custom scene holding it aloft by the neck. When a motorcycle needs upgrades from Day One, it's time for a change... That time for the Sportster was when the V-Rod launched, which should have been a Sportster but again, custom sales. Bottom line is that this new Sportster, which looks great with no changes made and appears to deliver a great, fast ride straight from the dealer, is absolutely worth its price because it's not competing with the Scout, it's competing with the Bonneville Speed Twin and the Kawasaki Z900RS Café. It's a sport-standard shaped like a bobber, and it's worth the price.
@@Sr.D Yeah, I know I'm fanboying so hard right now, and I need to stop 🤦🏿♂️ you gotta understand, I've loved the look of the Sportster my whole life, and my whole life I've had to buy other bikes for the performance I wanted - now I have it all, in one package! 😁
That's the problem Way to overpriced. The Evo sportster was more obtainable,income wise ,very basic bike but easy to work on and customise. I was always more interested with classic looking motorcycles my first Harley Davidson 2004 883c £5495. 2006 1200c £7495. If it was now I be checking out those Royal Enfield motorcycles for classic look and Indian motorcycles for American cruiser look and their prices are much better than Harley Davidson.
Why? Because it doesn't sound like a fart? Because it makes enough horsepower to mention, at an RPM that's impressive for a non-diesel? Maybe because it doesn't start twerking mid-corner or try to throw you off... In 5 years, well be saying "THIS is a Nightster, the bike that FINALLY made the whole motorcycling world respect Harley-Davidson!" They're already saying that about the Pan-America, but that's a dad bike, Sportys are FOR THE BOYS!
@@mikewin7056 nope because over five years time engine be a bugger to work on and parts will be difficult to obtain, get yourself a 1998-2002 fireblade or gsxr and enjoy getting parts, which you will at the end of the day. Get a 1998-2002 Harley Davidson getting parts is so much easier and cheaper to obtain also easier to work on.
Don't know where you get your ideas about Harley pricing in America, but I live in Minnesota and called today for pricing on a Nightster: NO HARLEY DEALERSHIPS are MSRP anymore and the out-the door price on a Gray Nightster was $15,250 with the all the extra Harley BS "handling charges/set-up fees" and padding and "I should be grateful for that." The better performing by 11 hp, more beautiful and lighter at 476 lbs Triumph Speed Twin is out-the-door at closer to $13,000. You can buy a LOT of extras for $2250. And, Hey! The Indian Scout Bobber Six goes for $9500 and the infinitely better and cooler base Indian FTR is $12,999, the FTR Rally is $13,999 and the FTR S is $14,999. Alll far better than this new 89hp/$15,250 POS. When reviewing the Nightster (or any Harley) the "mantra" all you "reviewers" keep repeating over and over is: " Great handling...for a Sportster! "Lots of pickup...for a Sportster!" "Good handling....for a Sportster!" Just Go back and listen to your video above, if you doubt me. Stop giving these over-priced/substandard bikes a pass, stop comparing them to other or older Harleys and start comparing them to other motorcycles in their class...maybe Harley will finally wake up as they're going under and stop giving us "1980's Tech at 21st Century Prices!" OMG, Bob! They new Nightster, It's...It's...GASP!...Liquid-cooled!!!" BTW, I've owned 8 Harleys since 1974, and I used to love Harley before they took total advantage of the best and most loyal customer base in American manufacturing history.
A hard bike to gauge since its a long time since I've ridden a Sportster. That almost shook the living daylights out of me. I looked at people who rode those bikes in utter bewilderment. If the fuel tank is under the seat, you can't add a bigger one. 11.7 litres isn't much in Australian terms. It restricts it to the city,town environment unlike the 32 litre tank on my R80GS.
My '09 Sportster 1200 Custom suits me just fine. I really don't like high-revving motors. My bike has the 4.5G/17L tank and it's great for trips or just running to work everyday for two weeks between fillups. About the seat, as soon as the guy said "flip the seat up to fill it", my immediate thought was "there's goes easy seat swaps." And then a fake tank cover? How stupid is that? If it's no longer a tank, why make it look like one when there's the perfect opportunity to really change the game? It's like HD is saying "here's an all new bike but we tried to make it look like the old bike so that you old-timers will buy it too". HD did the same thing with the fake oil tank covers in 2018 with the new Softail chassis.
The rubber mount sportsters don’t shake nearly as bad. They started that in 2004 I think. Anything before that can be rather unpleasant in the vibration department, not to mention the suspension which was never very good. I like the new HD stuff, the charm that is lost is accessibility and customization, but most people looking for a brand new bike want to avoid that kind of stuff. I’d love one of these mew sportys. Especially the S, but the aftermarket for the old ones makes them better IMO.
Just rode one today, it is wayyy fast. The harley rep was riding a low rider s and i out ran him and was only at 5th gear 120mph. Its a 6th speed. This engine is a sportbike engine. I was shocked.
Don't hate it but I also don't really love it. The issue with that? This is replacing the Sportster and I LOVED the Sportster, so that's a loss for me.
You can swap a few parts off of a Street Bob and get a Slim, and there's probably someone out there with a Slim that would love to make that trade... Check out the forums, then consider a Street Bob 114🤷🏿♂️
Why the hell are people talking Scout Bobber vs this? The Scout bobber is against the Sportster S for all I know. Both excellent badass bikes in their own right. I got the sportster S because the added power, and digital display, LED lights, bronze accents. If Indian added more power and the chiefs 4” touch display to the scout bobber and some bronze accents I would’ve easily gotten the Indian. I hope the next Indian scout launches with some new changes soon.
What a stunning looking bike decent power aswell black looks great red would look great also, shame though the tank is so small and shame there is a break disc missing from the front wheel glad though they have put that cool clock up onto the bar which means you won't have to keep looking down to look at it
The previous sportsters had the same 'soft throttle' issue. At low and initial throttle levels, it really felt about the same as pulling the throttle on my Yamaha TW200 (yes, a 200cc engine with 7:1 compression and like 15 hp).
Lol... thats what "Soft throttle" position is supposed to be my friend! Soft throttle! Its very little power ,very good in rainy conditions. I have problems with my 1996 XL883 when its wet ,if you ony look at the throttle it spins and drifts.
@@bobvido9875 To clarify, I'm referring to a significant amount of throttle producing only a small response initially..... And - some of us don't like that. I've had bike with smaller engines, (250cc liquid cooled) and of course larger ones - that had a nice snap if you open the throttle quickly. On that single 250, it felt like I could feel the first (or first couple) firings of the engine with higher throttle and power. I liked that. Also with those bikes, if it's wet or slick and I want only a small engine response, I could turn the throttle only slightly and have low power.
I'm happy to see that (all) Sportsters were not discontinued, like I heard that H-D was going to do! Yes it's true, that the air cooled Sportster engines, have stayed basicly the same since 1957. (I mean; with push rod activated valve train!) I currently own an 08 EFI Sportster Nightster 1200. I'm happy with it, but can imagine what it would do to added fun like; 3 modes, cruise control, and all the other mods they did to the Sportster S. It might be on the expensive side, but I think of all of the mods I've done to my 08 Nightster, in which would make it to almost equal in price to the Sportster S that comes stock with all that I would want! I was checking out a 95 Sportster 1883cc, look it up on TH-cam, it's awesome! There are literally millions, of aftermarket parts you can get for the Sportsters, no matter what year!
Rode one of these and I found a weird cramp in my left hand. Wonder if it may have something to do with having to kinda reach for the turn signal. Either way wasn't a bike that I think I could ride for very long.
Here I am at about 10 minutes after publishing and I think I can sum up the public opinion on it. Long time Harley fans are going to roast it for not being “a true Harley” or something along the lines of abandoning heritage. As someone who currently wants absolutely nothing to do with a Harley, it’s a step they’ve needed for quite a long time. Much like Ducati there hasn’t been a true “beginner” model in the lineup. Before anyone chimes in with “what about the sportster?” think about how many new riders get lambasted over their choice and directed towards another model at twice the price. That “heritage” that long term fans speak of is exactly why people like me want nothing to do with them. If I wanted old technology that hasn’t seen research and development since years started with 19- I’ll stick to a Suzuki (or a KLR). HD needs to make changes before their target demographic dies off. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. The average age of a HD owner has steadily increased over the last two decades and without innovation their customer base will all be on trikes or under a grave marker. Being stuck in the mire of “heritage” leads to boutique status and stagnation, see Royal Enfield. Final thoughts, I’m happy HD is venturing out into new territory. Same thing I said about the Pan American. They can’t hang their dot-stickered half helmet on the glory they once had forever. It is very possible to respect the heritage they’ve established while progressing into a modern company with solid brand recognition.
@@djx3445 that’s the way it should be, ride what you want without a care about how others perceive you. I’ve seen far too many examples of people being upset over their first bikes not being a certain model because they feel like it’s a lesser machine. That goes for anything really. The bottom line is to enjoy the ride however you see fit. Just like you love your sportster others may love their ADV or race replica super sports. I’m glad there’s variety in the market
As a younger man, I like the journey hd is taking with 'new' tech and models. Never too much of a fan of the older bikes and now I'm interested to see what they release in the future, whether it be a new street 500 beginner bike or even a naked brusier like the Bronx. The prices are still pretty steep for most people but at least they garnered attention, good or bad, from other market segments
HD loves to bask in the propaganda limelight that most people believe only HD can make an American style road bike (Cruiser or sportster). People need to pull their heads out of their asses. There was Victory, there is Indian, Suzuki, Honda. Victory made many types of these bikes while pushing the design envelop. Honda has Rebels and Shadows. Suzuki has Boulevards. Indian sells gobs of various Scouts, and now their 2022 Chief lineup, along with others. Triumph Bonneville. Too many people go looking for an American style bike and only think of HD. That's what I see as the source problem - consumers.
@@ZildjianMan30 hmmm consumers are the problem? People can buy what they want and what they like. The problem is smarmy people who think they have all the answers and know what other consumers should buy.
I'm honestly surprised about the "low" torque numbers these new liquid-cooled engines produce. It's just surprising from a HD V-TWIN, but I haven't heard anyone complaining, even a friend of mine who owns a Pan-America said it didn't bother him at all.
I was expecting the Nightster to have dual front brake rotors, swing-arm mounted license plate bracket (similar to Ducati Diavel), and smaller rear mud guards. Otherwise a beautiful looking motorcycle.
Definitely change the plate holder out. Sticking out like Dumbo. Just going to custom mine so the plate is on the other way and if I don’t like it I’ll switch it to a Frisco style mount off the axle
Always Good Review! Loved to own one BUT I hope Harley upgrades their single front disc brakes to two. Now that they evolved to liquid cooled, next should be the breaks 🙏
I totally agree with you. This is the result of a European CEO. This thing won't sell, it looks no different than the street they discontinued,I am disappointed.
14 years ago Honda was able ti make their Fury with a 1300cc engine and managed to hide the radiator between the frame in such a way that most people don't even notice it. I cannot understand why no one else ever makes an attempt to hide the radiators with even newer tech.
I’m interested to see how well this does because the HD fan boys don’t like change or anything that isn’t the same old tech they continually used for the last 10 - 50 years. Add the fact that it doesn’t sound like potato potato potato and it actually handles well without having to add $9000 in aftermarket parts it’s going to be interesting to see if it’s accepted or not
I like that it's more similar to the old Sportster than the Sportster S but I can't recall seeing any uglier liquid-cooler ever. The specs might be better for Harley but this time the design department was working so much better at Indian.
November '22...the '23 Honda Rebel 1100T 'bagger' comes in at £11.300 with DCT, £10.500 manual, so this is away over priced...you get the fairing and hard boxes with the 1100T
Great review! I like the look and this color looks very nice. Does it come with bar end mirrors like that? Is this suppose to be the entry bike to new Sportster S bike? I would check it out.
@@motobob its a nice looking bike in stock condition. The exhaust looks better than the bigger Sportster S. But the exhaust is the only thing that does not match up to the rest. Also, I am curious to know more about the gas tank under the seat. At first I thought I was confused about its location. I would be concerned about wasting gas under the seat. Is this an entry bike to the Sportser? What kind of riding is this bike for and who? Thanks
This was my first video of yours. Really detailed and to the point. Really enjoyed it. But i want to ask if it will suit shorter riders? I am 5'6". And How tall are you sir? Just for the sake of comparison.
I like it, though it looks like a Harley Davidson Rebel! The left side of the bike doesn't look very attractive, that's a shame. Single front disc is sad. Price seems higher than it should be too.
Nice review Bob but don’t get caught out by what seems a cheap price in America. Unlike the rest of the world Americans never include Tax on their prices as these vary from state to state, there’s also delivery and dealer fees to stump up for plus in the states you very rarely get the first service free. So yes it might be a bit cheaper in the states but after all the add ons I wouldn’t of thought there’s much difference between the one the road price in either country.
It’s a fair point mate - I’ll pin for others to see 👍
@@fibonacho the 883 is over $11,000 in 2022 so not 50% but they have been really bumping the 883 up the last 2 years from what it was previously
@@fibonacho no problem I figured you were thinking pre Covid and surcharges. I been paying attention and this model has had much higher price increases than the rest. Intentionality pushing the entry price up… way up probably knowing the new Sportster were coming so then when they release them the prices doest look like such a big jump…
yes, you are correct. in general, states have sales tax from 0 to 10%. mine is 7%. but that is not all. as you mention, the dealers advertise a net cost that does not include tax, freight, dealer fees and tags. and when talking about Harley, you find that basic 'extras' that anyone would want in a new bike is extra. so a listed 13K USD bike will cost you more like 15K USD out the door. the worst are concert/sports tickets. advertise at say 50 USD/ticket but in reality, you pay 70 USD. the extra 20 usually comes up as a couple line item service fees and sales tax after you have entered your CC but before you submit. a dirty trick!
This bike, this “entry” level bike (which is not an entry level bike at all) costs the same as a softail standard and only a little less than a street bob 114. Ummm, I just don’t get what Harley is thinking here? Are they just trying to make the rebel 11oo and Indian scout more popular with their prices? I waited a while thinking I would trade in my 883 for this bike when it arrived. I’m so glad I didn’t wait and picked up my low rider S instead. At this price point, Harley can keep this one.
As an American, I'm glad HD's finally starting to innovate. I don't think there's anything necessarily wrong with the older designs, but we want to see them compete with the rest of the world, too. I'm a sportbike guy, and I want to root for the home team, but HD doesn't really make anything for people like me (yet). Hopefully they release the Bronx at some point, would love it!
I am very impressed. Harley has really done their homework and finally produced a competitive bike I might actually own one of these Nightsters one day.
Crazy cheap too 13k-20k depend on what upgrade you want.
@@davidtirlokhi4954 That's not cheap if you look at the price of the Indian Scout series!
Seems you are the first one to release a review on this motorcycle. Nice job!
I own a 48 and love it. The look, sound and feel of the bike is what made me buy it. It has that authentic old school vibe. Whilst I like the shape of the Nightster I probably wouldn’t buy one because you lose that character. Of course this is all subjective. I’m sure this will appeal to those that like the shape/form of the older sportsters but want something modern feeling…more tech, smoother and a bit more power.
I like the look of the bike, will suit some entry riders. HD are on a hiding to nothing, old school riders hate the fact it's liquid cooled (even though V-Rods had liquid cooling since 2001) and doesn't vibrate like a washing machine. New riders think it's too expensive and will look at other options like Indian and Triumph.
A 975CC bike is not and entry bike. Even the 1200 sportster was never and entry bike.
The only reason the last Sportster was considered an entry bike was the 30 year old motor in a 20 year old chassis. Theoretically, you can buy a Yamaha R1 as a first bike, but is it a good idea? Depends on the rider!
Way too expensive and yes 975 is entry in the us
@@vegasmike that bikes slow asf it’s entry level. 975cc but look at the power numbers😂.
Not a beginner bike and $13,500 isn't a beginner bike price.
This bike just came out and you’re already reviewing it. You sure are in the top of your game! Eager to see what Sportster purists have to say about this one. For me it’s the perfect blend of modern tech with heritage looks in a decent value package, but I’ll have the PanAm any day instead of this for sure. Cheers mate!
There's such a thing as a "Sportster Purist" ???
I DESPISE all the techy doodads they put in these new "Sportsters." Just give me a plain version, w/out modes, etc, and I'll consider it.
The bobble heads destroyed the sportster years ago.... tagging it as a "Girls Only" bike.. Even Harley followed that que.... It killed the line... Now they come out with a bike more expensive than the Soft Tail Standard, that looks like a plastic Japanese bike and they slap the sportster tag on it... Anyone looking to buy a bike like this will get themselves an XSR900 and pocket 3.5 grand...
I really like all these new offerings by H-D. These out-side their norm are much appreciated. We have a '21 Ultra Tri-Glide and it is fantastic for our needs, but if I could have a second bike it may be the Livewire.
The Livewire is amazing. I have one and it changed my world (as a Ducati owner too).
Very good looking indeed and finally less of that “maaaenly old-school” design for old dinosaurs.
Three wheel Harley man?? Learn to ride bro 😎
@@HumanButcher150 yeah, full of hi-tech shit ya don't need 😱
I really like this bike as a replacement but I'll keep my Iron 1200.
I would also.
Don't blame yer, something goes wrong with your Evo be a lot easier to sort out than the new one.
That’s good to know
That proven evo motor will serve you as long as you could ever need.
Found a 2018 Iron 1200 for
$6,750. 1,022 miles. Ain't got a job, but may have to just do it. Been a long while since I had a Sportster.
I ride an 883 and really like this bike, it's a perfect upgrade to the air cooled version! Would love to see it with a chunky 48 front tire, lift that fake tank, drag bags and chop the fender, cant wait to see the custom versions soon!!
Let me break this down. The Nightster is only 10% cheaper than the Sportster S, and only 3% lighter and yet delivers 28% less torque and horsepower. It has no TFT, onboard mapping, music controls, programmable rider modes, cruise control, lean angle traction control, phone connectivity, adjustable front suspension or hand adjustable rear suspension. What a bargain! I ride my Sportster S in Road mode and it delivers more power than the Nightster does in Sport mode. What is not to love? I am stunned by the price and not for a second regretting the sportster S
But for me the s isn't attractive and I hate the pipes and I was looking for a bike in the 900 - 1000 range that is not crazy fast cause I just want to cruise. So for me it's the perfect bike and it's less expensive than the s. It's a no Brainer for people like me.
@@jlrutube1312 yes, the nightster is better looking than the S, but it still doesn't look great.... And it's way too expensive...
@@jlrutube1312 Also, mid controls are included on the Nightster. You would have to pay extra to get them on the S.
Should have came in right at $10k would have been perfect on paper it’s the perfect competitor for the Honda Rebel 1100 which has gotten rave reviews but the extra 3k might be the deciding factor that’s the price of a stage one
Thank you for that very important summary. Man, after reading that I'm thinking wtf, why would anyone want that thing? Flip the seat? Pffft. Fake tank? Pffft. Dunlop tires? Not Scorchers? Does it even have LEDs? I couldn't really tell by the headlight looked like Halogen crap. I liked the full rear fender though.
I'm glad HD is using the RevMax platform to expand their offerings. $13.5k is a tough pill to swallow for all but the most ardent HD supporters though. Scout Sixty is $9k USD, that's quite a difference in price, for a spec sheet that isn't all that much worse than the HD. Sure the Harley is lighter, makes a bit more power, 1 extra gear. Step up to a scout bobber and you're still $2.5K USD cheaper for a bike that's pretty similar, even surpasses the Harley in a few categories.
Send one over to me Harely, I'll chuck 2 turbo's on it.
Agreed. For 2K more you can get a much more capable, feature rich Sporster S and it's also a Harley-Davidson.
The 1200cc Indian DESTROYS this with 100hp and better brakes/suspension. LED lighting etc. 9000rpm.
@@christopherbriggs5074 or for about the same price: Softail Standard and blow it out of the watef
@@jordanjoestar8839 the Harley gets 90 horsepower while only being a 975cc, has no Valve adjustments intervals like the scout, better fuel economy than the scout, its a much more efficient and lower maintenance motor 😉
@@delgande the Softails use the old Air cooled design, and its 700 pounds, the Nightster will be faster, by alot, the M8 motor will sound and feel like a classic harleys though, the Revmax motor doesnt sound or feel like a classic harley, thats up to you whether or not thats a good thing 🤭
I happen to be the owner of a 79 Sportster and I think this is a big step in the right direction. My 79 was behind the times when it left the factory but like a lot of Harley owners I just liked the way it felt to ride that bike. There will always be buyers for Harley’s but they really need to sell to some of the riders that they aren’t getting now. It’s hard to sell tradition to someone that thinks Harleys from the 90’s are old bikes. They want technology, good performance and affordability. It will take a while for Harley to adjust their image but bikes like this will help. And for the Harley riders who like the old bikes there are plenty out there to be found. Good job Harley.
I am absolutely amazed that I can hear you say the T in throttle. Thank you for the video, love it.
Interesting to see HD moving beyond the annual re-release of the same antiques.
Waiting on the smaller Pan America with this motor 👍🏻
HD just made a Honda Rebel
You just made me spit out my coffee in laughter 😃 😀
I didn’t see your comment when I’d posted mine.
It looks like a Victory Octane and a Honda rebel had a bastard love child.
I’ve been an HD fan in the past, seeing this now is absolutely horrifying .
😀
A less powerful rebel
but worst probably
Looks ok, but I will stick with my current 21' Triumph Speedmaster. Great review like usual👌👌👌
Good choice.
Speedmaster, that's a bold choice! What made you choose that over the Bonnie, if you don't mind me asking?
@@mikewin7056 It's a Bonneville Speedmaster... just the look and also I'm 6'3" and I fit better, I added high bars also..
@@alexxbobber71 Thanks for the answer! As a fellow 6'3" small giant, I often fall in love with a midsize standard or bobber, only to fall out of love mid-test ride because my knees hurt... I've gotta try this Sportster and a Speedmaster now, I was all set on a V9 Bobber 🤷🏿♂️
Nice one 👍 obviously you spend your hard earned money wisely 👍
Too expensive.
The change was expected and it had to happen. But honestly, for the price rather get a Scout 20.
Then go ahead and buy it! Just remember that your wallet doesn't have to live with your purchases, you do...
@@mikewin7056 Sometimes I wonder, if along common sense, people also lost what figure of speech means.
I have my motorcycle, I am happy with it.
And so is my wallet.
You're not going to get the riding modes or the traction control or abs. That's why it's more than the scout 60.
Throttle lag. Check TPS voltage. Had the same issue in the past. Closed voltage was .56 volts, changed to .98 volts and stumble went away.
$25.5K in NZ. About $5k more than I would expect. And $3k gets the big brother.
That rectifier is going to need a cover.
Well done Bob on bringing a balanced review.
I was surprised with the price too.
In the Netherlands it is 20.500 US dollar. That is FTR1200 range.
It's amazing how far HD has come with their fit and finish and refinement of their bikes at least in the way of it's materials and tech etc. I think you started to notice it around 2010. Really impressed with the overall look of build quality. That said, I dislike the sort of Honda Rebel look in the upper part of the frame just behind the front forks where there are these double triangles. It's like it elongates and offsets the overall look of the bike. May be something I have to get used to. Nice review and cool to see a new bike from HD. Cheers!
Brand new and they still leak oil. Their fit and finish is still the worst of any motorcycle manufacturer. That even goes for cheap Chinese brands.
looks like they are copying porsches Vrod
@@UvidCo HAHAH! Still? Funny how no motorcycle journalist talks bout this. That sounds like a quality control issue which is still a testament to HD and their focus on just the 'look'. Too bad! I was starting to slowly like the brand after years of dogging on it.
@@MatchBookNotes lol
@@shmac96 Still. I don't think it's as bad as it was but yea. Personally if I was going to buy that type of bike again I'd go Indian.
I think when it comes to competitors you forgot the Honda Rebel 1100. At least on paper it is a very similar bike: classic cruiser lines and ergonomics paired with a modern engine and design. Power, weight and features are also similar. But it is a bit cheaper with just under 10.000 for the manual version and bit over for the DCT model.
Well put sir👍
I'll keep my iron thanks . I can upgrade to 1275 for a couple grand if I feel the need for speed. It is kinda cool and I hope it does well.
Isn't the sportster S a replacement for the old Sportster? Isn't this a new model entirely?
You guys get it for just under 13k gbp, we here in Norway have to pay 225k nok, or 22k gbp converted. Gotta love those Norwegian prices...
Ouch! 😬
Hey Bob, Jamo from down under here brother. I reckon you're one of the best motorcycle reviewers I've ever heard my man. Keep up the good work. Absolutely loving your videos. I'm a bit more of an old school guy and like the Chrome kind of look and probably something with a bit more punch and power but hey understand that the matte black look is really what's doing it with the young guys these days So I think Harleys going in the right direction in that perspective. Looking forward to more videos man. Keep it up
For me, I prefer the Triumph Bonneville's. They retain a more traditional look while being completely modern.
I really think HD should’ve taken a page out of Triumphs book with the almost “restomodded” modern classics. These new sportster bikes don’t have much identity, like it doesn’t know what it wants to be. HD 48 will always be my favourite Harley. Unfortunately I crashed mine😔
The increased lean angle, reduced weight, and next generation motor are all very exciting aspects of the new bike.
The black frame and accents look great, but it would have been nice to see the color options incorporated into the fenders and not just the tank/airbox area. (It looks like black fenders on all 3 color options are standard?)
I think it would have been more exciting and impressive to see this model with an $11-12,000 price tag to keep it competitive with the Indian Scout Bobber / Rogue models.
After taxes and fees, the high price tag of roughly $14,000-16,000 may scare new riders away from this option until they depreciate.
Nonetheless, this is definitely a step in the right direction for Harley.
I think it's wrong w/ all the techy doodads that will go out, and cost money to fix. COMPLETELY unneeded. They need to bring plain versions out, as well.
Wow. First time watching your channel. What a fantastic, concise yet detailed review. Glad I found you.
18" front.
17" back.
New rear shocks marrazochi.
New bannana seat.
Duck tail.
Rear up 2 & 1/2"
Steering rake -3°
Cafe.
Hydraulic link with 2 bias sets front fork damping & brakes.
Front rear brakes linked.
2x mini spool turbo charging.
1 inlet.
Double barrel.
2" top & sides fairing same shape.
Rev counter red line light.
130hp
Eco sports.
I love the new engine. Just wish it would grow to a 1550 and go in a low rider ST kind of bike.
Ewww
Ewww
Last time I checked, the Sportsters are still around and in fact are growing in that line of HD's. HD created the Nightster line for those who want less noise, shakiness and power. The Nightster is an "addition," to the HD line of bike models. I can't wait to get mine.
Comment aged well.
@@vampiresquid Haha. Thank you!
Very good in depth description, all being said the lack of a rumbling 45 degree V-twin is the deal breaker! It’s not competitive in that sense. I would move on to a soft tail model.
So no, this definitely is not a worthy successor to the very cool iconic rumbling 45 degree v-twin air cooled Sportster. No sale!
I passed my CBT last month, theory test this Friday then I'll book my Mod 1 & 2. I bought a new Keeway RKV 125 C after my CBT and I love it especially the seating position, I'm now Learner Bad Ass!
Anyway, I'm 56 and will PX my Keeway and have my heart set on a HD. I don't know how long I'll be biking for but I want to have owned a Harley as part of my new passion / hobby.
As a newbie fair weather weekend rider, this Nightster seems like a good step on to the HD ladder, yes?
Prices are crazy right now. I bought my softail streetbob from the showroom floor for £12,000 and got my first service thrown in, 2 years later and a sportster is more expensive...
Brings me the legendary Street 750 look!
I give it a B+. The most beautiful part of the bike for me is the engine itself and respect to HD for daring to build a performance tuned motor. Past Harleys I've ridden didn't feel like they were meant to go above 60mph. I suppose they call them cruisers for a reason. But they could have done better to preserve the heritage styling - Triumph and even Kawasaki are building way more stylish retro bikes, and for less money. If you charge a premium for brand heritage you have to be the best at it.
Exactly unfortunately this new engine is already getting problems with owners of the pan American. Not cheap to sort out and Harley Davidson not doing recall. Check out MCN issues with the Pan American.
Very successful immitation of the Honda Rebel!
🤣🤣🤣 your blind my friend! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I bought my 883 in 2012 in Spain precisely for 8300€…more than 16k it's just too much. still waiting for a real sportster for about 10k or less.
You're thinking about it wrong-the Sportster was never supposed to be an entry or budget motorcycle, it just became a cash cow because of the custom scene holding it aloft by the neck. When a motorcycle needs upgrades from Day One, it's time for a change... That time for the Sportster was when the V-Rod launched, which should have been a Sportster but again, custom sales.
Bottom line is that this new Sportster, which looks great with no changes made and appears to deliver a great, fast ride straight from the dealer, is absolutely worth its price because it's not competing with the Scout, it's competing with the Bonneville Speed Twin and the Kawasaki Z900RS Café. It's a sport-standard shaped like a bobber, and it's worth the price.
@@mikewin7056 okay...
@@Sr.D Yeah, I know I'm fanboying so hard right now, and I need to stop 🤦🏿♂️ you gotta understand, I've loved the look of the Sportster my whole life, and my whole life I've had to buy other bikes for the performance I wanted - now I have it all, in one package! 😁
That's the problem Way to overpriced. The Evo sportster was more obtainable,income wise ,very basic bike but easy to work on and customise. I was always more interested with classic looking motorcycles my first Harley Davidson 2004 883c £5495. 2006 1200c £7495. If it was now I be checking out those Royal Enfield motorcycles for classic look and Indian motorcycles for American cruiser look and their prices are much better than Harley Davidson.
Software needs a tweek by the sounds of it. Poor low speed fuelling isn't ideal for what might be a first big bike for some?
Well the rain mode is extremely soft so I suppose that might suit a beginner
Unlike the Dyna, Low Rider S, Street Glide, and the outgoing Sportster, this is a bike no one will be excited by 5 years into the future.
Why? Because it doesn't sound like a fart? Because it makes enough horsepower to mention, at an RPM that's impressive for a non-diesel? Maybe because it doesn't start twerking mid-corner or try to throw you off... In 5 years, well be saying "THIS is a Nightster, the bike that FINALLY made the whole motorcycling world respect Harley-Davidson!" They're already saying that about the Pan-America, but that's a dad bike, Sportys are FOR THE BOYS!
@@mikewin7056 Because it is indistinguishable from a Honda Rebel 1100. Only not as cool.
@@mikewin7056 nope because over five years time engine be a bugger to work on and parts will be difficult to obtain, get yourself a 1998-2002 fireblade or gsxr and enjoy getting parts, which you will at the end of the day. Get a 1998-2002 Harley Davidson getting parts is so much easier and cheaper to obtain also easier to work on.
@biblereader Seperate experiences eh, lol. They are as different from one another as are a Civic and an Elantra.
@biblereader it's got two
How can you do a full bike review and not mention the exhaust sound?
Don't know where you get your ideas about Harley pricing in America, but I live in Minnesota and called today for pricing on a Nightster: NO HARLEY DEALERSHIPS are MSRP anymore and the out-the door price on a Gray Nightster was $15,250 with the all the extra Harley BS "handling charges/set-up fees" and padding and "I should be grateful for that." The better performing by 11 hp, more beautiful and lighter at 476 lbs Triumph Speed Twin is out-the-door at closer to $13,000.
You can buy a LOT of extras for $2250.
And, Hey! The Indian Scout Bobber Six goes for $9500 and the infinitely better and cooler base Indian FTR is $12,999, the FTR Rally is $13,999 and the FTR S is $14,999. Alll far better than this new 89hp/$15,250 POS.
When reviewing the Nightster (or any Harley) the "mantra" all you "reviewers" keep repeating over and over is: " Great handling...for a Sportster! "Lots of pickup...for a Sportster!" "Good handling....for a Sportster!" Just Go back and listen to your video above, if you doubt me. Stop giving these over-priced/substandard bikes a pass, stop comparing them to other or older Harleys and start comparing them to other motorcycles in their class...maybe Harley will finally wake up as they're going under and stop giving us "1980's Tech at 21st Century Prices!" OMG, Bob! They new Nightster, It's...It's...GASP!...Liquid-cooled!!!"
BTW, I've owned 8 Harleys since 1974, and I used to love Harley before they took total advantage of the best and most loyal customer base in American manufacturing history.
A hard bike to gauge since its a long time since I've ridden a Sportster. That almost shook the living daylights out of me. I looked at people who rode those bikes in utter bewilderment. If the fuel tank is under the seat, you can't add a bigger one. 11.7 litres isn't much in Australian terms. It restricts it to the city,town environment unlike the 32 litre tank on my R80GS.
My '09 Sportster 1200 Custom suits me just fine. I really don't like high-revving motors. My bike has the 4.5G/17L tank and it's great for trips or just running to work everyday for two weeks between fillups. About the seat, as soon as the guy said "flip the seat up to fill it", my immediate thought was "there's goes easy seat swaps." And then a fake tank cover? How stupid is that? If it's no longer a tank, why make it look like one when there's the perfect opportunity to really change the game? It's like HD is saying "here's an all new bike but we tried to make it look like the old bike so that you old-timers will buy it too". HD did the same thing with the fake oil tank covers in 2018 with the new Softail chassis.
The rubber mount sportsters don’t shake nearly as bad. They started that in 2004 I think. Anything before that can be rather unpleasant in the vibration department, not to mention the suspension which was never very good. I like the new HD stuff, the charm that is lost is accessibility and customization, but most people looking for a brand new bike want to avoid that kind of stuff. I’d love one of these mew sportys. Especially the S, but the aftermarket for the old ones makes them better IMO.
32 L 😲😲 Like a car almost!
@@bill392 Similar setup with HD V-Rod. At least they made that a muscle bike. The Nightster is a city scooter.
Just rode one today, it is wayyy fast. The harley rep was riding a low rider s and i out ran him and was only at 5th gear 120mph. Its a 6th speed. This engine is a sportbike engine. I was shocked.
Don't hate it but I also don't really love it. The issue with that? This is replacing the Sportster and I LOVED the Sportster, so that's a loss for me.
HD is done for. I just wanted a god damn softail slim with a 114.
You can swap a few parts off of a Street Bob and get a Slim, and there's probably someone out there with a Slim that would love to make that trade... Check out the forums, then consider a Street Bob 114🤷🏿♂️
I was unimpressed when it came out but one test ride changed me 180°. I’ll take a red one thank you
Pathetic from HD. Overpriced, ugly looking bike. There is no way this could even replace sportster at all. HD is dead for good.
I hope it’s sooner than later.
@@Heavywall70 people wanted Bronx and they cancelled it. What a shame
Motobob never fails to have early access to new motorcycles
🤙🤙🤙
Why the hell are people talking Scout Bobber vs this? The Scout bobber is against the Sportster S for all I know. Both excellent badass bikes in their own right. I got the sportster S because the added power, and digital display, LED lights, bronze accents. If Indian added more power and the chiefs 4” touch display to the scout bobber and some bronze accents I would’ve easily gotten the Indian. I hope the next Indian scout launches with some new changes soon.
What a stunning looking bike decent power aswell black looks great red would look great also, shame though the tank is so small and shame there is a break disc missing from the front wheel glad though they have put that cool clock up onto the bar which means you won't have to keep looking down to look at it
I like this bike a lot but can't imagine getting this over a newer Rebel 1100.
The previous sportsters had the same 'soft throttle' issue. At low and initial throttle levels, it really felt about the same as pulling the throttle on my Yamaha TW200 (yes, a 200cc engine with 7:1 compression and like 15 hp).
Lol... thats what "Soft throttle" position is supposed to be my friend!
Soft throttle! Its very little power ,very good in rainy conditions.
I have problems with my 1996 XL883 when its wet ,if you ony look at the throttle it spins and drifts.
@@bobvido9875 To clarify, I'm referring to a significant amount of throttle producing only a small response initially..... And - some of us don't like that. I've had bike with smaller engines, (250cc liquid cooled) and of course larger ones - that had a nice snap if you open the throttle quickly. On that single 250, it felt like I could feel the first (or first couple) firings of the engine with higher throttle and power. I liked that. Also with those bikes, if it's wet or slick and I want only a small engine response, I could turn the throttle only slightly and have low power.
I'm happy to see that (all) Sportsters were not discontinued, like I heard that H-D was going to do!
Yes it's true, that the air cooled Sportster engines, have stayed basicly the same since 1957. (I mean; with push rod activated valve train!) I currently own an 08 EFI Sportster Nightster 1200. I'm happy with it, but can imagine what it would do to added fun like; 3 modes, cruise control, and all the other mods they did to the Sportster S. It might be on the expensive side, but I think of all of the mods I've done to my 08 Nightster, in which would make it to almost equal in price to the Sportster S that comes stock with all that I would want!
I was checking out a 95 Sportster 1883cc, look it up on TH-cam, it's awesome! There are literally millions, of aftermarket parts you can get for the Sportsters, no matter what year!
Rode one of these and I found a weird cramp in my left hand. Wonder if it may have something to do with having to kinda reach for the turn signal. Either way wasn't a bike that I think I could ride for very long.
didn't HD try to go away from the 45degree V-Twin layout before...
tank looks softer and curvy , should have continued angular mascular design with new engine
Here I am at about 10 minutes after publishing and I think I can sum up the public opinion on it. Long time Harley fans are going to roast it for not being “a true Harley” or something along the lines of abandoning heritage. As someone who currently wants absolutely nothing to do with a Harley, it’s a step they’ve needed for quite a long time. Much like Ducati there hasn’t been a true “beginner” model in the lineup. Before anyone chimes in with “what about the sportster?” think about how many new riders get lambasted over their choice and directed towards another model at twice the price. That “heritage” that long term fans speak of is exactly why people like me want nothing to do with them. If I wanted old technology that hasn’t seen research and development since years started with 19- I’ll stick to a Suzuki (or a KLR).
HD needs to make changes before their target demographic dies off. It’s not a matter of if, it’s a matter of when. The average age of a HD owner has steadily increased over the last two decades and without innovation their customer base will all be on trikes or under a grave marker. Being stuck in the mire of “heritage” leads to boutique status and stagnation, see Royal Enfield.
Final thoughts, I’m happy HD is venturing out into new territory. Same thing I said about the Pan American. They can’t hang their dot-stickered half helmet on the glory they once had forever. It is very possible to respect the heritage they’ve established while progressing into a modern company with solid brand recognition.
If someone gets "Lambasted" online for buying a Sportster so what. Buy what you like. I have three generations of Sportsters and I love this bike.
@@djx3445 that’s the way it should be, ride what you want without a care about how others perceive you. I’ve seen far too many examples of people being upset over their first bikes not being a certain model because they feel like it’s a lesser machine. That goes for anything really. The bottom line is to enjoy the ride however you see fit. Just like you love your sportster others may love their ADV or race replica super sports. I’m glad there’s variety in the market
As a younger man, I like the journey hd is taking with 'new' tech and models. Never too much of a fan of the older bikes and now I'm interested to see what they release in the future, whether it be a new street 500 beginner bike or even a naked brusier like the Bronx. The prices are still pretty steep for most people but at least they garnered attention, good or bad, from other market segments
HD loves to bask in the propaganda limelight that most people believe only HD can make an American style road bike (Cruiser or sportster). People need to pull their heads out of their asses. There was Victory, there is Indian, Suzuki, Honda. Victory made many types of these bikes while pushing the design envelop. Honda has Rebels and Shadows. Suzuki has Boulevards. Indian sells gobs of various Scouts, and now their 2022 Chief lineup, along with others. Triumph Bonneville. Too many people go looking for an American style bike and only think of HD. That's what I see as the source problem - consumers.
@@ZildjianMan30 hmmm consumers are the problem? People can buy what they want and what they like. The problem is smarmy people who think they have all the answers and know what other consumers should buy.
I still don't understand why they call it the nightster when it still has grey on the engine. My 2011 nightster came with a Grey engine too.
I'm honestly surprised about the "low" torque numbers these new liquid-cooled engines produce. It's just surprising from a HD V-TWIN, but I haven't heard anyone complaining, even a friend of mine who owns a Pan-America said it didn't bother him at all.
I just don't understand the Nightster without a blacked out engine. I wonder if I will even see one at a dealership. Never saw a Sportster S at one.
Your paying for the name,brand,and looking cool
Can it take on old country roads that are dirt and gravel with water and uneven ground?
love the looks of this bike. Great review as always. Really enjoy this channel.
They did like the old Burl tubers as the engine being part of the frame. Idk, the sounds is ok
I was expecting the Nightster to have dual front brake rotors, swing-arm mounted license plate bracket (similar to Ducati Diavel), and smaller rear mud guards. Otherwise a beautiful looking motorcycle.
Definitely change the plate holder out. Sticking out like Dumbo. Just going to custom mine so the plate is on the other way and if I don’t like it I’ll switch it to a Frisco style mount off the axle
How many gears does this have? And did anyone mention cruise control?
6 speed, no cruise
I'm keeping my 2021 Fat Bob👍
So this is the new Sportster 4/12/2022 surprise? I was looking forward to a sportster 131.
Like a vrod with the tank being the air box cover and gas under the seat
Would it fit a 6.2 tall and 265 pounds heavy rider?
Don’t think so. I would go with a street bob
No..But a Street Bob, Fat Bob or LowRider S would.
Nice review. I like this bike, but is there an aftermarket option for LED front light?
Good for entry customer who want try HD. Good review mate!
It’s a mini night-rod special. I bet there’s velocity stacks under the airbox cover.
Always Good Review! Loved to own one BUT I hope Harley upgrades their single front disc brakes to two. Now that they evolved to liquid cooled, next should be the breaks 🙏
Love the bike. As a yank I’m feeling good. Now we’ll see if the HD dealers don’t try to break it off in us. 😢
Take your pounding like a man!
Was there no sound check or did I just miss it?
It's a cool bike, but Sporsters should be traditional, inexpensive and loud.
I totally agree with you. This is the result of a European CEO. This thing won't sell, it looks no different than the street they discontinued,I am disappointed.
I'm almost absolutely sure I want one of these... But I need more raw ride footage! Not to make up my mind, I just need it🥵
Looks like they took the Street 500/750 chassis
With the tank being under the seat, and needing to turn the key to unlock the seat to flip it up to refuel, do any aftermarket upgrade seats fit?
To compete today, HD should have given keyless fuel cap and a full TFT display.
14 years ago Honda was able ti make their Fury with a 1300cc engine and managed to hide the radiator between the frame in such a way that most people don't even notice it.
I cannot understand why no one else ever makes an attempt to hide the radiators with even newer tech.
Shorts and Spandex. Well you made me chuckle.
I’m interested to see how well this does because the HD fan boys don’t like change or anything that isn’t the same old tech they continually used for the last 10 - 50 years. Add the fact that it doesn’t sound like potato potato potato and it actually handles well without having to add $9000 in aftermarket parts it’s going to be interesting to see if it’s accepted or not
I like that it's more similar to the old Sportster than the Sportster S but I can't recall seeing any uglier liquid-cooler ever. The specs might be better for Harley but this time the design department was working so much better at Indian.
I wish they would remake the V-rod…was one of their best bikes imo
From certain angles its got a Honda Rebel 1100 look about it.
If you see someone on the new sportster, point and laugh "money no sense"
No ,its not looking like a Rebel , the Rebel looks like it has a broken frame! 🤣🤣🤣
But both are ugly looking bikes ,with a Rebel win.
November '22...the '23 Honda Rebel 1100T 'bagger' comes in at £11.300 with DCT, £10.500 manual, so this is away over priced...you get the fairing and hard boxes with the 1100T
Great review! I like the look and this color looks very nice. Does it come with bar end mirrors like that? Is this suppose to be the entry bike to new Sportster S bike? I would check it out.
The bar end mirrors are standard yes 👍
@@motobob its a nice looking bike in stock condition. The exhaust looks better than the bigger Sportster S. But the exhaust is the only thing that does not match up to the rest. Also, I am curious to know more about the gas tank under the seat. At first I thought I was confused about its location. I would be concerned about wasting gas under the seat. Is this an entry bike to the Sportser? What kind of riding is this bike for and who? Thanks
@@p-dub7422 I love the exhausts on both of them!
This was my first video of yours. Really detailed and to the point. Really enjoyed it. But i want to ask if it will suit shorter riders? I am 5'6". And How tall are you sir? Just for the sake of comparison.
Thanks! I’m 5’9” - I think you’d be ok. It’s verrrry low in the seat and you could always swap the bars if reach is an issue
@@motobob okay. Thank you sir
Really like some of the features, but I think HD missed the mark with the price, should be around 3k less imo
I like it, though it looks like a Harley Davidson Rebel! The left side of the bike doesn't look very attractive, that's a shame. Single front disc is sad. Price seems higher than it should be too.
What bike is it in the sponsor part early in the videos? It looks so good
Superduke GT :)
I really like it! Classic Sportster style, but modern engine and other up-to-date features! Frankly, like new HD models more than old ones.
Go and buy one then.
I really like the direction Harley are headed. They have done a cracking job in my book! 🤙🏼
Better get down to your nearest Harley Davidson dealership and get one before they Go.
Love your videos! Keep them coming!
What’s going to happen with 48?
Is going to be discontinue model or is going to be a classic and the price for the 48 is going up