If Lexus Automotive said "We are no longer building Lexus cars, if you want a Lexus, you have to buy a Toyota, and make a Lexus out of it....and it's going to cost you more!" Lexus people are not going to do this, they are going to buy another luxury car plain and simple. Harley Davidson just gave the Honda Gold Wing, and the Indian Challenger a brand new customer base. If the Limiteds aren't selling, then the obvious option is to make less of them, or make it a special order from the manufacturer, but you don't throw away your flagship motorcycle. This is the same mistake Dodge is making with their Charger models.
i have a harley cvo and i love it it is my first Harley now when i say this people might get pissed off but it is true the japs just d o it better the Gold wing is top tier in the touring market
HD and Indian are both on the slow painful road to their own dimise. They will both become parts and service centers only. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now. Aging customer base, prices are over the top for most folks, and the young kids are not interested in them. Most of them don't even know what a Harley is. No BS!
For a company losing customers and selling less bikes, it would seem to be a no brainer that raising prices is the last thing you’d want to do. Good call, HD Corporate. Not. 🤦♂️
@@JohnnyMan316 unfortunately this is the way of life. Everything goes up. I don’t think Harley increase prices just for the heck of it, but to continue to pay for overhead. I did 2 plant tours of Harley and not only are their employees are happy but the equipment is state of the art. Harley is a for profit company so the cost is passed on to the customer. I don’t know any company that drop the cost of their products. Take a look at Honda and Indian price increases.
I love my Harley’s. I also have a Goldwing and it’s a very uncomfortable bike if you have any height. Indian’s vibrate too much at highway speeds leaving my feet and hands numb when I get off them. Harley down the highway with 100,000 miles on my 2017 trouble free.
I’m glad I got to ride during the years that I did. Harley Davidson was still about riders and freedom. It was still an American company. My wife and I shared many moments together riding, our love growing in the wind. I’ll miss those days. I’ll cherish the memories. RIP HD
Harley Davidson is still about riders and freedom. It is still an American company. Don't be taken in by all these losers posting this nonsense on the internet. HD is facing the same challenges as all other motorcycle Companies. Ask KTM and Triumph how they are doing?
Good old stereotypical Yank. A fat bloke with a beard sitting in front of a shitload of guns talking about Harleys😂😂😂 If Harley goes bust then good riddance to the overpriced dinosaurs.
I agree, regardless of whatever brand you ride it’s kind of stupid to buy a new bike frankly. There are so many great bikes that are two and three years or even older with low mileage. You can buy at a fraction of the cost.
Yep. I just picked up a 2021 Street Glide Special. I probably saved almost $10k. I purchased my 1st two Harley’s brand new in the late 90’s. After that I only got used.
While I agree, I still keep an eye on the new stuff, and pray people buy them so I can have something to buy 10 years from now. I’m afraid the used market will suck in 10 years at the rate we’re going.
I just want to thank all the folks that buy these bikes new. I look forward to picking one up in a few years for pennies on the dollar with only a couple grand on the odometer and $10k in accessories.
They are out of their minds with the prices. Maybe they should start making all of their parts in the USA and be a real made in the USA motorcycle again.
@@gardnerwebb3749less of made in the USA? That isnt how that works. It pretty much ALWAYS cost more if something is made in the USA vs cheaper labor companies. That is the entire point of building elae where is to increase profits. Why would they build out of country if it cost more to do so?
@@walkingwolf8072 even if their interested young people can't afford to buy a motorcycle because homes are so expensive now due to many factors. Main reason being international corporations started buying houses off the free market a few years ago and even paying more than fair value so they could turn around and "lease" them to the government to "house immigrants" that are here illegally and legally. If you decrease the supply of any product there is demand for the price will go up fast. This helps illegal alliens and hurts all Americans. If people have less money and you raise the price of a motorcycle less people will buy motorcycles.
@@walkingwolf8072 Even that's way out of reach, housing inflation outstripped everything else so by the time the younger people can afford a home they're not going to be able to even afford a child in a home they may need to share with roommates. Right now all first world countries are suffering vastly with population replacement but no one wants to offer solutions to fix this problem. In fact what may bring about a surge of two wheels is that the four wheel options are starting to price themselves out as well but the two wheel options may freak many out as it's going to be the stand up type of scooters and not gas engine options.
I doubt it, it is a whole different market with the young preferring retro, and sport bikes. Newbies are buying Groms. Unless HD decides to compete, they are toast or government bailout.
Love you stuff. Just left the Valley Harley Davidson in Tridelphia West Virginia, was there for four hours. I got out the door on a 24 black/black road glide for 27,714. Again out the door. Plus a 650 gift card! I’m very excited to ride my first Harley this season!
For one motorcycle?? I bought 4 H-D in past few years for grand total of $10,600. All nice bikes and still own plus they are still worth what I paid or more.
I still feel that they should have like some sort of heritage line to where people don’t want all the electronic garbage can get just a straight up motorcycle
@@thelost_woodsI bought a police model. All the safety features and the 114 with no stereo. Dealer kept trying to upsell me because they couldn’t believe I didn’t care about infotainment.
I have a 2019 road glide ultra that in a year will be worth some bucks lol only kidding I’m keeping my bike it is awesome and when the time comes I’ll look to buy another used bike with low miles and save 10 grand again.
Harley should have never got rid of Buell- Buell, the company & the designer could have taken the company into the future (ICE, electric & sport bikes) appealing to a younger demographic, while keeping the Harley brand smaller & nostalgic. A bad CEO can hurt a company, several bad CEO’s will destroy a company.
Im glad I bought my 2019 road glide special this year (bought it used with 13K miles on it). I looked for a long time before pulling the trigger. I wanted a very specific look and it couldn't be bought as a factory bike from Harley. That concept was a 2019 or 2020 Road glide special in Scorched Orange. It also had to have the tour pack and lowers added. I was specific that I wanted the Special because I wanted the blacked out parts, and also wanted the stretched bag look. FInally pulled the trigger in august and have really enjoyed the bike for touring. We put 5K miles on it in 2 months. As a bonus, it also had the Ohlins suspension front and rear, Klockworks windshield, and Stage 2 audio with minimal engine mods. Yay for me..I have no desire to move up to the 24+ models. I personally dont prefer the all digital gauge package. I like the version I have with the analog gauges AND the screen for map, etc. If they go thru with the concept of a base model Road Glilde/Street glide, and then "upsell the packages" I think its a win for the harley biz, but NOT for the people who want to buy them. Cost will go up to buy the bikes and package them they way they want, AND they wont get that back in resale later if they want to upgrade to a newer model. Just my 2 cents.
been riding for over 45 years I will stick with my older bikes, I can fix them myself, I hate abs, GPS etc, the fun of riding is gone with the new bikes. I have actually spent a year on the road and that was with a Dayna
been building up my 2023 FXST black(at no extra cost) A 2 INTO ONE Trask big sexy exhaust, a 119 C.I. from Screamin Eagle black engine accessories, had my dealer do the work so my warranties are Harley compliant and drag bars. What I wish Harley would make a simpler blacked out Breakout, no electronics to lower cost and less foreign parts. Would be nice to see a bigger RevMax in a soft tail style frame. Thanks for the news.
I'd like to see them do a m8 wide glide. Raked out like the breakout. Wide trees, 5gal tank in flames, normal 180 rear tire with Standards fender, some mini apes.
@@FXFBS540 Then a RE is really cheap when the wage earners have a family to take care of. RE is the number one seller of motorcycles in the world, Honda is the number one in the US. We are going to see a return to the 70's with metric bikes being dominate on the road. Face it, HD's market is dying, literally. And some of us old farts, 70 years old, prefer to ride a RE.
The lowers were around many years before the water cooled heads. Lowers provide protection. I’m going to wait and see what happens in 26. If there’s no new limited I plan to buy a 24 Limited.
Pricing and no limited are big reasons I'm keeping my 2021 Road Glide Limited. All the new tech is cool, however not cool enough to make me want to step up and buy a new bike!
I agree with some of the people in here start making our parts in the USA again what is wrong with that people in this country need to go back to work and stop working from home or living off the government
Maybe they need to focus on quality first. I bought a 2023 street glide. Had it 9 mos. Ive been riding 52yrs. No newbie. First thing the shifter broke off. Then even though it had nothing added from factory the charging system took a shit. They had it 2 mos. Got it back and the lights pulsed. Still charging issues. Kept it 3 weeks and got it fixed. Then I got caught out in the rain. Bike shut down. Turns out water was running down inside the fairing and shorting it out. The handlebars felt notchy in turns at times. Head bearing was bad due to over torque at factory. Still had factory bars so it wasnt me. I sold it at a loss. I didnt trust it to get more than 50 miles from home. Defeating the whole purpose of having a new bike. 1936 miles on it.
Maybe they should build their parts in America where they should be in the first place , I’ll keep riding my old bikes and don’t give a crap what HD does
@@DennisMerwood All you have is snark and smart aleck remarks, and add nothing to the conversation. How about dazzling us with some of your vast, limitless knowledge.
A blank canvas for the price of a Picasso. And then they sell you the "paints" for extra. Harley's not going to get me again with that. Funny how other companies can sell you a whole car for the price that Harley sells a motorcycle. There's something very wrong there. After owning, riding, and working on Harleys I can tell you there's nothing premium about the build of these bikes and definitely not more tech, engineering, or materials cost than a car yet Harley charges the same. Motorcycles used to be way cheaper than a car. I bought my first brand new Harley for $6,500. The biggest lie that we've been sold in the past 20 years is that a motorcycle is a "luxury" item.
I remember the whole purpose for buying a CVO was because it had the nice paint jobs & now they want to charge you $6k extra for two tone paint. GTFOH! I'll probably never buy another Harley. Mine is almost paid off & I think I'll be good.
If you want to check another dealers prices, lmk. We have 4 cvo/st's ready to go. And end of year pricing, overpaying for trades as well. We are in Columbia sc, but can get your bikes delivered to you!
Don’t forget false profits are obtained by layoffs which are then tabled as increased revenues to boost their stocks from the savings of wages unpaid via layoffs.
Get less for more money seems to be the American way.I Bought a new 2009 electric glide Ultra for 21,500 and a new 2017 Road Glide Ultra with few extras for 29,500 and now you got to purchase what they’re calling the long haul package without tour pack speakers and no lights.Why raise the price because Trump is talking about tariffs I don’t think that affected prices when raised tariffs before. Make things in America again.
Dude, love your channel. I dont know how anyone could even be in the market for the new dressers. The internet is packed with posts, threads, and videos of the epic fail that the electrical systems are on the new TV bikes. Also given that HD is jacking the prices on them $3K, there's no reason not to pick up a 2023, there are tons of them left along with used bikes with
The limited isn't going to sell because they haven't changed to the new body style. Why would you buy a limited that looks like a 2020 model in 24 or 25. Now you have to pay more. For the add ons . To make your stg rdg look like a limited. BS!!
Because the new bikes are ignorantly ugly. I was planning on being on the market when i heard there would be a redesign, then i saw them. Im not at all on the market.
The new bikes handle and operates so much better than the Rushmore bikes and it just makes sense in my mind to be able to add the accessories to make it what you want I mean they already have the long haul package which has the sundowner seat and a bunch of quality of life stuff to do the long tours and with the King tour pack added on you have the option to remove it when you don't need it and those accessories come in right at the same price as a limited
You can’t stay in business by getting the largest share of a shrinking market or by steadily pricing your product higher up the average income ladder… I give HD 5 years at their current trajectory.
i worked for harley via dealers for over 40 years, including 8 years near you at Low Country and frankly if Harley Doesn't Fire Jochen Zeitz soon i think Indian will soon be the ONLY American Motorcycle, i've not been to Myrtle beach in a while, but i live not far from Laconia and even my wife noticed it, the custom bike world is DEAD everything looks BONE STOCK and mostly over priced baggers, why i still have my 08 Road King and it may be my last Bike.
They have all but moved nearly all there production to Asia their not American anymore and they seem more interested in progressive politics than making a good product if they don't care about their products why should I.
At this point, it really doesn't matter what we think. HD is just gonna roll on with total abandonment. This is why I purchased an older bike, my second in the stable. Peace!
They still have the DEI CEO and board of directors who don't even ride. Until the company gets rid of those leeches and get people who actually like to ride, they are going to continue to go down the road of Bud Lite.
HD board room "I know how to solve our sales and profit problems." Oh do tell! We just take equipment off the bikes and hike up the prices." But we can't sell them at current prices? Exactly, keep them confused and devoted customers will pay the increase because they always have! What Suckers, lol, says the board.
Harleys have been expensive relative to the competition since the day they came out back in 1903, more or less. The quality is obvious, with the paint, powder coating the engine finish and the overall build quality. It reminds me of Porsche.
It’s a touring bike. I think weight is irrelevant. Harley is going cheap. That’s all there is to it. But they might as well get rid of the altar they got rid of all the rest of the other good bikes. The days of the old are gone Harley system, modern American bike and that’s about it nowadays.
Even if they preparing for tarrifs and even if they dont materialize the consumer will still pay more. At the end of the day riding is a way of life that should remain true for riders of all ages and all income levels. While not perfect they had that with buell. At the end of the day if they keep raising prices year over year new bikes will be strictly for the upper crust. It is what it is though guess you gotta pay to play or buy a metric.
One way for HD to surely go broke ~ try to make bikes of all sizes and compete with the Japanese! HD's are a niche market ~ like Ducati's. And both do very well thank you.
People will go to Indian Harley would like customers to pay for the additional accessories to build the bike they want instead of offering it at a fair price. Harley looking for the consumer to bail them out example lower prices for 2024 to kill the value of anyone with 17-23 bike. I have a 20 and 22 bikes with upgrades crazy amount of money I lost on both. Plan to ride them over the next few years I do all of my own service work.
I can’t help but feel Harley’s priorities are wrong. If they want to stay in business they need to attract new customers at a price point people can live with. I’m from a generation that could afford it but the young people coming into it have to balance living and recreation.
It's ALWAYS been like that, Rodney. HD has never made cheap beginner bikes! If they did - they would go broke competing with the Japanese and soon Chinese!
Companies shouldn’t raise prices for the customers when a CEO makes millions of dollars a year and some companies profiting billions a year and most people buying motorcycles,cars has got to finance it who really should make that kind of money a year or companies profit that kind of money in a year
Looks like every year as of resent times, "HD" is becoming an acronym for Huge Disappointment. The MSRPs are a joke, add like 5 to 10k for the out the door price. I love the bikes and would like to get a touring model but the stick holding the carrot gets longer and longer going from just out of reach to forget about it. Hopefully the find a happy medium between price and value. I would have loved it if only they kept the Standard models of the SG RG and RK, shaving off some of the "gingerbread" would have helped to get more people in the door on the touring frame and they could have stood to have helped dealer service departments to make some money from the people who bought the Standard who wanted to add stuff like tour packs and radios and what not. My wife is still a little timid about riding with me, but wants to take a chance on it and I'd like a bigger bike, so a SG or a RK stripped down would have been a good start for us, but is all but off the table in the form of a new bike at this point.
Answer me this. If H-D can bring a technical marvel of the PanAm to market and is a full size bike with all luggage for a competitive price even when made in USA, Why is the standard touring bike MUCH more expensive? A radio isn't that expensive to add and all of the R&D and tooling has been done for years..
I think Harley should bring in the X350 & X500, (Made in China) and the X440 (Made in India). It's not like Harley has not sold entry level bikes made in overseas before (the Hummers were made in Germany and then there was a whole line of Italian bikes in the 70's). I would then revamp the street series with a 500 and a larger framed 750. These should be American made so you have the foreign entry and a home grown one as well.
Another way to stick it to you, charge more and give you less. Pretty much everything is an add on. Indian's looking better and better. They including everything Harley charges you for. Pass.
The way the economy is currently, looking at KTM going bankrupt and in Europe where motorbike business is essentially collapsing the majority of people just don't have the funds to spend $30k+ on what's essentially an adult toy. The biggest sales market right now are smaller displacement, cheaper, more basic bikes. HD should take note.
They never will go to small displacement bikes. So many people keep saying this. It may work in some Asian markets but those are already locked down by other manufacturers. Harley is working on becoming a low volume boutique brand.
Knowing what I know about the motor company itself and the quality of what they're selling, I'm stupefied that anyone would be interested in anything Harley Davidson sells?
WHAT HAPPENED TO GOOD OLD AMERICAN HARLEY DAVIDSON ??? I will only buy used Harleys. I feel that by going our of country , they ruuned what used to be and they deserve what they get! even used Harleys lost value. 5k used bikes where unheard of when i was growing up ! Its a damn shame ! 😃👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I don't know why some riders like black on black as a color?!? Are they trying to make the bike the same color as the pavement so they don't stand out?? Isn't it better to be visible in traffic?? And you pay extra for this "color", ya right!
Doing away with the touring bikes and making owners buy the extra package is just a way for HD to make more money off the customers. Quit using Chinese parts and keep the price lower.
There is a dealership close to me that still has over 56 2023's on the floor, all overpriced! And now they are raising the prices 2000 for 2025?? really Harley?? Unless the 2025's come with inverted front forks and a painted inner fairing, it will be a rough 2025 for dealerships.
Ahh them taking the ultra and raod glide and making it a package from what i seen it looks like they've been pushing that route this year anyway cause of the daytripper and what not thats been on the site not to surprising but makinging them close to 30k if not more cause of tax and all fun stuff no new rider or old rider gonna wanna spend that now days with how much everything is i own a indian springfield darkhorse i dont know if thier going same way but if so im happy i got it when i did cause i wont by another American bike for how high they are going anymore
It's to bad... I was going to trade in my 2016 CVO Road Glide Ultra with 76,000 miles on it for a trike. We'll after all the shit, RDS problems and Infotament issues, I decided against it. My 2016 is in excellent condition, has everything upgraded. The only thing I'm missing from the new bikes is the RDS system and I don't trust that. I want to be in control of my bike, not my bike trying to over ride me. Harley is trying to make it so you don't have to understand motorcycle riding. Their trying to make it so anybody can just hop on and the bike will correct there mistakes. I decided to have my CVO professionally turned into a trike with features Harley doesn't even offer (independent suspension with sway bar, 10 inches longer for a much better ride (for my wife's back), a second 3 gallon gas tank and a much smoother body with a larger trunk. The BONUS... it was $25,000 less than a new trike!! People say it looks like it came from the factory. Sorry Harley, I'll keep what I've got. There's nothing for me to gain except a monthly payment.
Lots of money for two wheels. Me I am a Harley Fan. Not a MoCo Fan. One can build a pretty amazing motorcycle for that kind of money. Certainly a great bike for a whole lot less.
Hire a woke ceo and get all the problems that go with it - they run companies into the ground. If the limiteds go away Harley loses many millions. Many people won’t want the hassle of buying kits - might as well buy from Indian. If they do go through the hassle why would anyone buy the kit from Harley when there are aftermarket companies that do much better at a lower price.
Harley will lose in the end. The lineup has taken the flagship bike and made it a package because they can make more money that way. Everything from color to chrome or black dressing costs something on every bike making the whole starting at 22k on the website a joke when building a bike. Whats next, select your frame and then nickle and dime you on every little thing added to it? Not too long ago, you bought off the floor at a decent price and then customized it with HD parts and accessories as time and money would allow. That was some of the allure, customize it and make it your own. They are getting too expensive to do that anymore. Glad the used market is healthy, cause the new market is becoming a joke..
HD cries about not enough people buying Harleys while making bikes for the smallest segment in the motorcycling market, charging more for each unit than any other motorcycle manufacturer. Seems like someone skipped Business 101.
Hardly Worthitson needs to un-woke, un-DEI, and do some real hard soul searching before expecting consumers to drop car money on luxury items from a company that Fundamentally Hates Them.
Looking like there will be a lot of 2025 sitting right next to all of the 24s they were not able to sell. I have been looking at new bikes even Indian. I found one HD dealer that has 20 blacked out Road Glides.
I ride with a LEMC group and just like riding my bike. I’m getting so tired of MCs flipping me off on the highway and trying to start fights in bars. I mind myself and stink Diet Coke will defend myself if necessary.
If I was in the market, I'd just get another Heritage. If no one saw the end of the Limited and Ultra coming amidst all the other crap the CEO is doing, y'all missed some key info.
Unfortunately I'll never ever replace the harley I gave away after I saw their dei debauchery just like I've never watched another NFL game after the disrespect given to our national anthem .
If you buy an SG or RG and have to buy a Limited KIT and a seat and floor boards and more to make it a LIMITED, say $5000 of stuff, what do you think your trade in value will be in 3 years at the dealer will be? It will be the same as a strip stock SG or RG. And you think that will entice us to trade up knowing you just through out $5000 of LIMITED accessories ??? and buy another SG / RG and spend another $6000 on a LIMITED kit that will have no value ? We all know that even if you spend $10k on accessories on your bike, it’s money you will never see again. The 2023 Limited did not sell because we’re all waiting for the new fairing Limited. The Limited better come back ! Period !
If Lexus Automotive said "We are no longer building Lexus cars, if you want a Lexus, you have to buy a Toyota, and make a Lexus out of it....and it's going to cost you more!"
Lexus people are not going to do this, they are going to buy another luxury car plain and simple. Harley Davidson just gave the Honda Gold Wing, and the Indian Challenger a brand new customer base.
If the Limiteds aren't selling, then the obvious option is to make less of them, or make it a special order from the manufacturer, but you don't throw away your flagship motorcycle. This is the same mistake Dodge is making with their Charger models.
Poor comparison. Limited and Ultra classic were just tarted up trim levels masquerading as different models.
i have a harley cvo and i love it it is my first Harley now when i say this people might get pissed off but it is true the japs just d o it better the Gold wing is top tier in the touring market
HD and Indian are both on the slow painful road to their own dimise. They will both become parts and service centers only. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now. Aging customer base, prices are over the top for most folks, and the young kids are not interested in them. Most of them don't even know what a Harley is. No BS!
For a company losing customers and selling less bikes, it would seem to be a no brainer that raising prices is the last thing you’d want to do. Good call, HD Corporate. Not. 🤦♂️
Every manufacturer is going to be raising prices, not just Harley.
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@@JohnnyMan316 unfortunately this is the way of life. Everything goes up. I don’t think Harley increase prices just for the heck of it, but to continue to pay for overhead. I did 2 plant tours of Harley and not only are their employees are happy but the equipment is state of the art. Harley is a for profit company so the cost is passed on to the customer. I don’t know any company that drop the cost of their products. Take a look at Honda and Indian price increases.
@@alfonsodennis8450The Hondas and Indians are good bikes
I love my Harley’s. I also have a Goldwing and it’s a very uncomfortable bike if you have any height. Indian’s vibrate too much at highway speeds leaving my feet and hands numb when I get off them. Harley down the highway with 100,000 miles on my 2017 trouble free.
I’m glad I got to ride during the years that I did. Harley Davidson was still about riders and freedom. It was still an American company. My wife and I shared many moments together riding, our love growing in the wind. I’ll miss those days. I’ll cherish the memories.
RIP HD
Harley Davidson is still about riders and freedom. It is still an American company.
Don't be taken in by all these losers posting this nonsense on the internet.
HD is facing the same challenges as all other motorcycle Companies.
Ask KTM and Triumph how they are doing?
Good old stereotypical Yank. A fat bloke with a beard sitting in front of a shitload of guns talking about Harleys😂😂😂 If Harley goes bust then good riddance to the overpriced dinosaurs.
The secondary market is where it's at. I see zero reason to upgrade to the new bikes for so many reasons
I agree, regardless of whatever brand you ride it’s kind of stupid to buy a new bike frankly. There are so many great bikes that are two and three years or even older with low mileage. You can buy at a fraction of the cost.
Yep. I just picked up a 2021 Street Glide Special. I probably saved almost $10k. I purchased my 1st two Harley’s brand new in the late 90’s. After that I only got used.
While I agree, I still keep an eye on the new stuff, and pray people buy them so I can have something to buy 10 years from now. I’m afraid the used market will suck in 10 years at the rate we’re going.
I just want to thank all the folks that buy these bikes new. I look forward to picking one up in a few years for pennies on the dollar with only a couple grand on the odometer and $10k in accessories.
Harley is pricing itself out of the market.
They are out of their minds with the prices. Maybe they should start making all of their parts in the USA and be a real made in the USA motorcycle again.
For the same damn price. It SHOULD really be less if all made in the USA because of all the politics.
@@gardnerwebb3749less of made in the USA? That isnt how that works. It pretty much ALWAYS cost more if something is made in the USA vs cheaper labor companies. That is the entire point of building elae where is to increase profits. Why would they build out of country if it cost more to do so?
Even that won't save them, young people are not interested in spending their income on a motorcycle when they want a home, and possibly a family.
@@walkingwolf8072 even if their interested young people can't afford to buy a motorcycle because homes are so expensive now due to many factors. Main reason being international corporations started buying houses off the free market a few years ago and even paying more than fair value so they could turn around and "lease" them to the government to "house immigrants" that are here illegally and legally.
If you decrease the supply of any product there is demand for the price will go up fast.
This helps illegal alliens and hurts all Americans.
If people have less money and you raise the price of a motorcycle less people will buy motorcycles.
@@walkingwolf8072 Even that's way out of reach, housing inflation outstripped everything else so by the time the younger people can afford a home they're not going to be able to even afford a child in a home they may need to share with roommates. Right now all first world countries are suffering vastly with population replacement but no one wants to offer solutions to fix this problem. In fact what may bring about a surge of two wheels is that the four wheel options are starting to price themselves out as well but the two wheel options may freak many out as it's going to be the stand up type of scooters and not gas engine options.
I hope whatever they do works and none of their workers get laid off.
I doubt it, it is a whole different market with the young preferring retro, and sport bikes. Newbies are buying Groms. Unless HD decides to compete, they are toast or government bailout.
@@walkingwolf8072 truth
your hitting the 40,000 dollar mark its going to be a hard sell
Love you stuff. Just left the Valley Harley Davidson in Tridelphia West Virginia, was there for four hours. I got out the door on a 24 black/black road glide for 27,714. Again out the door. Plus a 650 gift card! I’m very excited to ride my first Harley this season!
Thanks man and Congratulations
For one motorcycle?? I bought 4 H-D in past few years for grand total of $10,600. All nice bikes and still own plus they are still worth what I paid or more.
I still feel that they should have like some sort of heritage line to where people don’t want all the electronic garbage can get just a straight up motorcycle
Exactly why I bought an Electra Glide Standard. My infotainment will never be outdated
@@thelost_woodsI bought a police model. All the safety features and the 114 with no stereo. Dealer kept trying to upsell me because they couldn’t believe I didn’t care about infotainment.
I'm for sure keeping my '21 Ultra Limited now!
Yep I'll be keeping my 2024 Breakout 117
I have a 2019 road glide ultra that in a year will be worth some bucks lol only kidding I’m keeping my bike it is awesome and when the time comes I’ll look to buy another used bike with low miles and save 10 grand again.
I've rode Harleys since I has 17 ,I'm 60 and I'll never buy another new bike from corporate.
Harley should have never got rid of Buell- Buell, the company & the designer could have taken the company into the future (ICE, electric & sport bikes) appealing to a younger demographic, while keeping the Harley brand smaller & nostalgic. A bad CEO can hurt a company, several bad CEO’s will destroy a company.
Im glad I bought my 2019 road glide special this year (bought it used with 13K miles on it). I looked for a long time before pulling the trigger. I wanted a very specific look and it couldn't be bought as a factory bike from Harley. That concept was a 2019 or 2020 Road glide special in Scorched Orange. It also had to have the tour pack and lowers added. I was specific that I wanted the Special because I wanted the blacked out parts, and also wanted the stretched bag look. FInally pulled the trigger in august and have really enjoyed the bike for touring. We put 5K miles on it in 2 months. As a bonus, it also had the Ohlins suspension front and rear, Klockworks windshield, and Stage 2 audio with minimal engine mods. Yay for me..I have no desire to move up to the 24+ models. I personally dont prefer the all digital gauge package. I like the version I have with the analog gauges AND the screen for map, etc. If they go thru with the concept of a base model Road Glilde/Street glide, and then "upsell the packages" I think its a win for the harley biz, but NOT for the people who want to buy them. Cost will go up to buy the bikes and package them they way they want, AND they wont get that back in resale later if they want to upgrade to a newer model. Just my 2 cents.
been riding for over 45 years I will stick with my older bikes, I can fix them myself, I hate abs, GPS etc, the fun of riding is gone with the new bikes. I have actually spent a year on the road and that was with a Dayna
I really enjoy riding my 24 CVO Road Glide ST. Our winter is generally mild and I have heated gear. I get to ride quite a bit.
been building up my 2023 FXST black(at no extra cost) A 2 INTO ONE Trask big sexy exhaust, a 119 C.I. from Screamin Eagle black engine accessories, had my dealer do the work so my warranties are Harley compliant and drag bars. What I wish Harley would make a simpler blacked out Breakout, no electronics to lower cost and less foreign parts. Would be nice to see a bigger RevMax in a soft tail style frame. Thanks for the news.
I'd like to see them do a m8 wide glide. Raked out like the breakout. Wide trees, 5gal tank in flames, normal 180 rear tire with Standards fender, some mini apes.
There's no way I would buy a new Harley. 30k for a new Harley? My first house mortgage in 1984 was only $30,000. I'll keep my four old Harleys.
I agree. I'm still riding my '57 FL I bought in '77 for $1200. Have a '10 FXDC for road trips.
30k in 84 had the buying power of almost 95k in 2024. I'd say HD is pretty cheap compared to the housing market now.
@@FXFBS540 Then a RE is really cheap when the wage earners have a family to take care of. RE is the number one seller of motorcycles in the world, Honda is the number one in the US. We are going to see a return to the 70's with metric bikes being dominate on the road. Face it, HD's market is dying, literally. And some of us old farts, 70 years old, prefer to ride a RE.
The word is.
If you ride the Honda Goldwing.
You're going to throw rocks at a Harley.. . Just saying.
The lowers were around many years before the water cooled heads. Lowers provide protection. I’m going to wait and see what happens in 26. If there’s no new limited I plan to buy a 24 Limited.
Pricing and no limited are big reasons I'm keeping my 2021 Road Glide Limited.
All the new tech is cool, however not cool enough to make me want to step up and buy a new bike!
I agree with some of the people in here start making our parts in the USA again what is wrong with that people in this country need to go back to work and stop working from home or living off the government
Interesting how someone likes that the new bikes weigh less but are over weight themselves.
That's a douche comment. Probably coming from a mid 40's mid life crisis power ranger bad ass. Lmfao
I bet he is pretty snug on that 883 😂
I resemble that remark!!
That is because white collar types like me have to sit all day, in order to earn the money to afford these expensive motorcycles.
Plus the fact that ones maximum earning years for a middle class job is later in your forties and fifties when you are not as fit.
Starting to look like Harley is going to discontinue their way into oblivion.
It's better value just buy a Gold Wing.
People don't want a Gold Wing! They want a Harley.
@@DennisMerwood No they don't Honda is outselling HD by huge numbers. So is Royal Enfield.
Maybe they need to focus on quality first. I bought a 2023 street glide. Had it 9 mos. Ive been riding 52yrs. No newbie. First thing the shifter broke off. Then even though it had nothing added from factory the charging system took a shit. They had it 2 mos. Got it back and the lights pulsed. Still charging issues. Kept it 3 weeks and got it fixed. Then I got caught out in the rain. Bike shut down. Turns out water was running down inside the fairing and shorting it out. The handlebars felt notchy in turns at times. Head bearing was bad due to over torque at factory. Still had factory bars so it wasnt me. I sold it at a loss. I didnt trust it to get more than 50 miles from home. Defeating the whole purpose of having a new bike. 1936 miles on it.
If you think HD is Woke don’t buy from them. Help them go out of business.
Im waiting around for 2027 to by a used 2024 Street Glide.😂
Maybe they should build their parts in America where they should be in the first place , I’ll keep riding my old bikes and don’t give a crap what HD does
And make them even more expensive! You guys are clueless.
@@DennisMerwood All you have is snark and smart aleck remarks, and add nothing to the conversation. How about dazzling us with some of your vast, limitless knowledge.
A blank canvas for the price of a Picasso.
And then they sell you the "paints" for extra.
Harley's not going to get me again with that.
Funny how other companies can sell you a whole car for the price that Harley sells a motorcycle. There's something very wrong there. After owning, riding, and working on Harleys I can tell you there's nothing premium about the build of these bikes and definitely not more tech, engineering, or materials cost than a car yet Harley charges the same. Motorcycles used to be way cheaper than a car. I bought my first brand new Harley for $6,500.
The biggest lie that we've been sold in the past 20 years is that a motorcycle is a "luxury" item.
I remember the whole purpose for buying a CVO was because it had the nice paint jobs & now they want to charge you $6k extra for two tone paint. GTFOH! I'll probably never buy another Harley. Mine is almost paid off & I think I'll be good.
I am trading my 2019 CVO Limited and my wife’s Street Glide for 2 CVO Road Glides. Harley is giving us a good price on our trades.
If you want to check another dealers prices, lmk. We have 4 cvo/st's ready to go. And end of year pricing, overpaying for trades as well. We are in Columbia sc, but can get your bikes delivered to you!
Harley technician here. just noticed you have this channel. awesome! i follow your gun channel
Thanks man and welcome to hegshot rides
Don’t forget false profits are obtained by layoffs which are then tabled as increased revenues to boost their stocks from the savings of wages unpaid via layoffs.
Nonsense! You have no idea what you are talking about, Steve!
Those rev max bikes will never be made in America again. Can’t wait for the made in Thailand 🇹🇭 videos at US dealerships. It’s going to be epic.
Get less for more money seems to be the American way.I Bought a new 2009 electric glide Ultra for 21,500 and a new 2017 Road Glide Ultra with few extras for 29,500 and now you got to purchase what they’re calling the long haul package without tour pack speakers and no lights.Why raise the price because Trump is talking about tariffs I don’t think that affected prices when raised tariffs before. Make things in America again.
You bought TWO bikes and are moaning they are too expensive! Go figure!
Dude, love your channel. I dont know how anyone could even be in the market for the new dressers. The internet is packed with posts, threads, and videos of the epic fail that the electrical systems are on the new TV bikes. Also given that HD is jacking the prices on them $3K, there's no reason not to pick up a 2023, there are tons of them left along with used bikes with
The limited isn't going to sell because they haven't changed to the new body style. Why would you buy a limited that looks like a 2020 model in 24 or 25. Now you have to pay more. For the add ons . To make your stg rdg look like a limited. BS!!
Because the new bikes are ignorantly ugly. I was planning on being on the market when i heard there would be a redesign, then i saw them. Im not at all on the market.
The new bikes handle and operates so much better than the Rushmore bikes and it just makes sense in my mind to be able to add the accessories to make it what you want I mean they already have the long haul package which has the sundowner seat and a bunch of quality of life stuff to do the long tours and with the King tour pack added on you have the option to remove it when you don't need it and those accessories come in right at the same price as a limited
You can’t stay in business by getting the largest share of a shrinking market or by steadily pricing your product higher up the average income ladder… I give HD 5 years at their current trajectory.
Yup, we have been hearing that since 1985 - never happens my Limey friend!
i worked for harley via dealers for over 40 years, including 8 years near you at Low Country and frankly if Harley Doesn't Fire Jochen Zeitz soon i think Indian will soon be the ONLY American Motorcycle, i've not been to Myrtle beach in a while, but i live not far from Laconia and even my wife noticed it, the custom bike world is DEAD everything looks BONE STOCK and mostly over priced baggers, why i still have my 08 Road King and it may be my last Bike.
They won't discontinue the Ultra's, they will upgrade them to the new fairing and 117 intercooled
Downgrade
I'm glad I have my 21 roadglide special
America needs to find something it’s good at and it’s not Harley Davidson
EVERY Japanese company has tried to compete in HD's market - and all have flopped!
They have all but moved nearly all there production to Asia their not American anymore and they seem more interested in progressive politics than making a good product if they don't care about their products why should I.
Bovine excrement, Oscar!
When does the stock price drop?
Seriously I’m soooo underwater on my put options.
At this point, it really doesn't matter what we think. HD is just gonna roll on with total abandonment.
This is why I purchased an older bike, my second in the stable.
Peace!
They still have the DEI CEO and board of directors who don't even ride. Until the company gets rid of those leeches and get people who actually like to ride, they are going to continue to go down the road of Bud Lite.
My loaded pickup truck cost $93k. It's only money. I would never buy a Harley but I love my Honda.
HD board room "I know how to solve our sales and profit problems." Oh do tell! We just take equipment off the bikes and hike up the prices." But we can't sell them at current prices? Exactly, keep them confused and devoted customers will pay the increase because they always have! What Suckers, lol, says the board.
Harley gonna,,, HARLEY!!!!
WORRRD.
They are just de-contenting baggers so the dealer, that have been suffering, can make coin selling you the equipment back.
I'd like to know the price to build a Harley. How much do they profit per bike.
Harleys have been expensive relative to the competition since the day they came out back in 1903, more or less. The quality is obvious, with the paint, powder coating the engine finish and the overall build quality. It reminds me of Porsche.
It’s a touring bike. I think weight is irrelevant. Harley is going cheap. That’s all there is to it. But they might as well get rid of the altar they got rid of all the rest of the other good bikes. The days of the old are gone Harley system, modern American bike and that’s about it nowadays.
Even if they preparing for tarrifs and even if they dont materialize the consumer will still pay more. At the end of the day riding is a way of life that should remain true for riders of all ages and all income levels. While not perfect they had that with buell. At the end of the day if they keep raising prices year over year new bikes will be strictly for the upper crust. It is what it is though guess you gotta pay to play or buy a metric.
One way for HD to surely go broke ~ try to make bikes of all sizes and compete with the Japanese!
HD's are a niche market ~ like Ducati's. And both do very well thank you.
People will go to Indian Harley would like customers to pay for the additional accessories to build the bike they want instead of offering it at a fair price. Harley looking for the consumer to bail them out example lower prices for 2024 to kill the value of anyone with 17-23 bike. I have a 20 and 22 bikes with upgrades crazy amount of money I lost on both.
Plan to ride them over the next few years I do all of my own service work.
You are whining about the cost - and have two! Go figure!
@@DennisMerwoodonly the loss of value made no sense to give one away to low ball offers created by Harley with new prices.
I can’t help but feel Harley’s priorities are wrong. If they want to stay in business they need to attract new customers at a price point people can live with. I’m from a generation that could afford it but the young people coming into it have to balance living and recreation.
It's ALWAYS been like that, Rodney.
HD has never made cheap beginner bikes!
If they did - they would go broke competing with the Japanese and soon Chinese!
This Generation Alfa, or what ever they are, consider a job that pay's less then 400K barely getting by.
Companies shouldn’t raise prices for the customers when a CEO makes millions of dollars a year and some companies profiting billions a year and most people buying motorcycles,cars has got to finance it who really should make that kind of money a year or companies profit that kind of money in a year
Looks like every year as of resent times, "HD" is becoming an acronym for Huge Disappointment. The MSRPs are a joke, add like 5 to 10k for the out the door price. I love the bikes and would like to get a touring model but the stick holding the carrot gets longer and longer going from just out of reach to forget about it. Hopefully the find a happy medium between price and value. I would have loved it if only they kept the Standard models of the SG RG and RK, shaving off some of the "gingerbread" would have helped to get more people in the door on the touring frame and they could have stood to have helped dealer service departments to make some money from the people who bought the Standard who wanted to add stuff like tour packs and radios and what not. My wife is still a little timid about riding with me, but wants to take a chance on it and I'd like a bigger bike, so a SG or a RK stripped down would have been a good start for us, but is all but off the table in the form of a new bike at this point.
You know more than all the professional researchers at HD who research the market fulltime, eh Charles! NOT LIKELY.
Harley sold out when they decided to manufacture over seas. Bring back to the American people. Let us manufacture that American motorcycle
And make them even more expensive!
Answer me this. If H-D can bring a technical marvel of the PanAm to market and is a full size bike with all luggage for a competitive price even when made in USA, Why is the standard touring bike MUCH more expensive? A radio isn't that expensive to add and all of the R&D and tooling has been done for years..
I think Harley should bring in the X350 & X500, (Made in China) and the X440 (Made in India). It's not like Harley has not sold entry level bikes made in overseas before (the Hummers were made in Germany and then there was a whole line of Italian bikes in the 70's).
I would then revamp the street series with a 500 and a larger framed 750. These should be American made so you have the foreign entry and a home grown one as well.
Another way to stick it to you, charge more and give you less. Pretty much everything is an add on. Indian's looking better and better. They including everything Harley charges you for. Pass.
maybe a tad off topic, but at 3:41 you ran a red light
The way the economy is currently, looking at KTM going bankrupt and in Europe where motorbike business is essentially collapsing the majority of people just don't have the funds to spend $30k+ on what's essentially an adult toy. The biggest sales market right now are smaller displacement, cheaper, more basic bikes. HD should take note.
They never will go to small displacement bikes. So many people keep saying this. It may work in some Asian markets but those are already locked down by other manufacturers.
Harley is working on becoming a low volume boutique brand.
@@dhc8guru Gonna need a lot less factory space.
@@dhc8guru 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 These 🤡posting here are clueless!
Zeitz still there, yes, the hell with HD. ZEITZ must go.
Knowing what I know about the motor company itself and the quality of what they're selling, I'm stupefied that anyone would be interested in anything Harley Davidson sells?
When are they going into Bankruptcy?
We have heard they are going broke since the bought the business off AMF. Never happens!
HD is NOT going bankrupt.
WHAT HAPPENED TO GOOD OLD AMERICAN HARLEY DAVIDSON ??? I will only buy used Harleys. I feel that by going our of country , they ruuned what used to be and they deserve what they get! even used Harleys lost value.
5k used bikes where unheard of when i was growing up ! Its a damn shame ! 😃👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Just bought another Triumph Rocket 3. Looks like I'll be getting an Indian Sport Chief instead of a Breakout.
Why? How many motorcycles do you need? I thought you guys are moaning motorcycles were too expensive?
I see Harley-Davidson going bank rupt within the next 5 years.
I don't know why some riders like black on black as a color?!? Are they trying to make the bike the same color as the pavement so they don't stand out?? Isn't it better to be visible in traffic?? And you pay extra for this "color", ya right!
Doing away with the touring bikes and making owners buy the extra package is just a way for HD to make more money off the customers. Quit using Chinese parts and keep the price lower.
Using more American parts will make the bikes more expensive! Clueless!
There is a dealership close to me that still has over 56 2023's on the floor, all overpriced! And now they are raising the prices 2000 for 2025?? really Harley?? Unless the 2025's come with inverted front forks and a painted inner fairing, it will be a rough 2025 for dealerships.
Just to clarify when you said "Made in Taiwan" you really meant to say Thailand.
More craziness from the woke ceo determined to bankrupt Harley.
Ahh them taking the ultra and raod glide and making it a package from what i seen it looks like they've been pushing that route this year anyway cause of the daytripper and what not thats been on the site not to surprising but makinging them close to 30k if not more cause of tax and all fun stuff no new rider or old rider gonna wanna spend that now days with how much everything is i own a indian springfield darkhorse i dont know if thier going same way but if so im happy i got it when i did cause i wont by another American bike for how high they are going anymore
I am more off a stripped down bike kind of guy but longdistance why not a bagger
HD is only relevant after crate engines are installed.
It's to bad... I was going to trade in my 2016 CVO Road Glide Ultra with 76,000 miles on it for a trike. We'll after all the shit, RDS problems and Infotament issues, I decided against it. My 2016 is in excellent condition, has everything upgraded. The only thing I'm missing from the new bikes is the RDS system and I don't trust that. I want to be in control of my bike, not my bike trying to over ride me. Harley is trying to make it so you don't have to understand motorcycle riding. Their trying to make it so anybody can just hop on and the bike will correct there mistakes.
I decided to have my CVO professionally turned into a trike with features Harley doesn't even offer (independent suspension with sway bar, 10 inches longer for a much better ride (for my wife's back), a second 3 gallon gas tank and a much smoother body with a larger trunk. The BONUS... it was $25,000 less than a new trike!! People say it looks like it came from the factory. Sorry Harley, I'll keep what I've got. There's nothing for me to gain except a monthly payment.
Sounds nice ! U should put some pics or a vid on ur YT page so we can admire !
Big boy, I like your smeduum shirt & all those rifles are so manly!
All New Pride Glide 2025
Not complaining just showing the price difference,the customers pay more for less.I guess if I had your money I wouldn’t think about it either
Lots of money for two wheels. Me I am a Harley Fan. Not a MoCo Fan. One can build a pretty amazing motorcycle for that kind of money. Certainly a great bike for a whole lot less.
Hire a woke ceo and get all the problems that go with it - they run companies into the ground. If the limiteds go away Harley loses many millions. Many people won’t want the hassle of buying kits - might as well buy from Indian. If they do go through the hassle why would anyone buy the kit from Harley when there are aftermarket companies that do much better at a lower price.
Harley will lose in the end. The lineup has taken the flagship bike and made it a package because they can make more money that way. Everything from color to chrome or black dressing costs something on every bike making the whole starting at 22k on the website a joke when building a bike. Whats next, select your frame and then nickle and dime you on every little thing added to it? Not too long ago, you bought off the floor at a decent price and then customized it with HD parts and accessories as time and money would allow. That was some of the allure, customize it and make it your own. They are getting too expensive to do that anymore. Glad the used market is healthy, cause the new market is becoming a joke..
Yup, we have hearing this since 1985! HD continues to be great profitable Company. Unlike Victory.
HD cries about not enough people buying Harleys while making bikes for the smallest segment in the motorcycling market, charging more for each unit than any other motorcycle manufacturer. Seems like someone skipped Business 101.
That would be you my friend.
Tiawan and Thailand are NOT the same country.
Hardly Worthitson needs to un-woke, un-DEI, and do some real hard soul searching before expecting consumers to drop car money on luxury items from a company that Fundamentally Hates Them.
Bovine excrement. Your mates at the pub have it all wrong!
Looking like there will be a lot of 2025 sitting right next to all of the 24s they were not able to sell. I have been looking at new bikes even Indian. I found one HD dealer that has 20 blacked out Road Glides.
I ride with a LEMC group and just like riding my bike. I’m getting so tired of MCs flipping me off on the highway and trying to start fights in bars. I mind myself and stink Diet Coke will defend myself if necessary.
I’m a fellow diet coke stinker. Cheers!
😂
Maybe it is because you're LE, not a popular affiliation. Retired LE myself, but don't brag about it...
If I was in the market, I'd just get another Heritage. If no one saw the end of the Limited and Ultra coming amidst all the other crap the CEO is doing, y'all missed some key info.
I wouldn’t want one not made here.
Another good vid!!
Unfortunately I'll never ever replace the harley I gave away after I saw their dei debauchery just like I've never watched another NFL game after the disrespect given to our national anthem .
I love my 2013 XL 1200 C
I’d buy a Triumph from the U.K. before a Harley from Thailand. Those new Sportsters have got to be the ugliest bikes ever.
Unless you want a Speed Triple or a 1200 explorer the rest are made in Thailand
@ The 1200 Explorer is one of the Triumphs I’ve already had. Far better adventure bike than a Pan America.
@@vmonk1474 That 1200 Explorer is a nice bike. About equal to the BMW GS. Harley Pan America a distant third (I've ridden all three many times.)
Just buy second hand!
If you buy an SG or RG and have to buy a Limited KIT and a seat and floor boards and more to make it a LIMITED, say $5000 of stuff, what do you think your trade in value will be in 3 years at the dealer will be? It will be the same as a strip stock SG or RG. And you think that will entice us to trade up knowing you just through out $5000 of LIMITED accessories ??? and buy another SG / RG and spend another $6000 on a LIMITED kit that will have no value ? We all know that even if you spend $10k on accessories on your bike, it’s money you will never see again. The 2023 Limited did not sell because we’re all waiting for the new fairing Limited. The Limited better come back ! Period !
I wasnt waiting on it. The new bikes are ugly from fender tip to fender tip.
This is dead on! Accessories have little to no value on used bikes. Sometimes they actually hurt resale value.
I don’t like the new bikes so I got my self a 2020 cvo so hopefully it will last me another 10 years