Don't think so, I have a good friend that sells them. He posts a good number of new ones WEEKLY that he has sold. And he is only 1 of about 10 salesman there., He's doing great. The dealership I just got the latest one from (2 months ago) is moving them like crazy.
I’m glad I got to ride during the years that I did. Harley Davidson was still about riders and freedom. It was still an American company. My wife and I shared many moments together riding, our love growing in the wind. I’ll miss those days. I’ll cherish the memories. RIP HD
Good old stereotypical Yank. A fat bloke with a beard sitting in front of a shitload of guns talking about Harleys😂😂😂 If Harley goes bust then good riddance to the overpriced dinosaurs.
@DennisMerwood Triumph is doing pretty good, actually. KTM needs to get their things together but I don't think they will disappear as a company. Bad Management, same as Harley.
If Lexus Automotive said "We are no longer building Lexus cars, if you want a Lexus, you have to buy a Toyota, and make a Lexus out of it....and it's going to cost you more!" Lexus people are not going to do this, they are going to buy another luxury car plain and simple. Harley Davidson just gave the Honda Gold Wing, and the Indian Challenger a brand new customer base. If the Limiteds aren't selling, then the obvious option is to make less of them, or make it a special order from the manufacturer, but you don't throw away your flagship motorcycle. This is the same mistake Dodge is making with their Charger models.
i have a harley cvo and i love it it is my first Harley now when i say this people might get pissed off but it is true the japs just d o it better the Gold wing is top tier in the touring market
HD and Indian are both on the slow painful road to their own dimise. They will both become parts and service centers only. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now. Aging customer base, prices are over the top for most folks, and the young kids are not interested in them. Most of them don't even know what a Harley is. No BS!
I just bought another fjr and couldn't be happier.still have my gen 1 and 2 though.they don't even make performance parts for the fjr,not necessary.gen one has 142000 miles and the valves are still in spec when I checked them for the second time a month ago.the new fjr is 22,000 out the door and tarifffs have nothing to do with their pricing.go woke go broke.they said they would never make it in thailand like byeden said he'd never pardon that crackhead.
I agree, regardless of whatever brand you ride it’s kind of stupid to buy a new bike frankly. There are so many great bikes that are two and three years or even older with low mileage. You can buy at a fraction of the cost.
Yep. I just picked up a 2021 Street Glide Special. I probably saved almost $10k. I purchased my 1st two Harley’s brand new in the late 90’s. After that I only got used.
While I agree, I still keep an eye on the new stuff, and pray people buy them so I can have something to buy 10 years from now. I’m afraid the used market will suck in 10 years at the rate we’re going.
For a company losing customers and selling less bikes, it would seem to be a no brainer that raising prices is the last thing you’d want to do. Good call, HD Corporate. Not. 🤦♂️
@@JohnnyMan316 unfortunately this is the way of life. Everything goes up. I don’t think Harley increase prices just for the heck of it, but to continue to pay for overhead. I did 2 plant tours of Harley and not only are their employees are happy but the equipment is state of the art. Harley is a for profit company so the cost is passed on to the customer. I don’t know any company that drop the cost of their products. Take a look at Honda and Indian price increases.
I love my Harley’s. I also have a Goldwing and it’s a very uncomfortable bike if you have any height. Indian’s vibrate too much at highway speeds leaving my feet and hands numb when I get off them. Harley down the highway with 100,000 miles on my 2017 trouble free.
I’m a retired Harley mechanic and the things that the public doesn’t know is unbelievable, there are so many warranty jobs that Harley made people pay for thousand of things that were paid for but should have been covered under warranty that’s just one thing the company did and there’s more you just wouldn’t believe they do and are still doing, I don’t know what happened to the company but they sure don’t care about the customer anymore, and they have priced me out of the game, no way I can afford a new Harley , it’s ashame but I’m done with them
I just want to thank all the folks that buy these bikes new. I look forward to picking one up in a few years for pennies on the dollar with only a couple grand on the odometer and $10k in accessories.
You are quite correct. Purchased a 17 Road Glide brand new. 3 miles on it. Dumped 8K in accessories to try and make mine look different. Everyone does this. JD Powers valued my bike retail at 16K. All I could get for my bike that had 36K of money invested counting the 28K purchase price was 15K. I lost 18K on a bike with 4000 miles. Screw HD. Now I see Honda Gold Wings with 20K MILES, 5 OR 6 YEARS OLD selling for 20K easy all day long. They hold value. And this is a stock bike. No 10K in accessories.
I doubt it, it is a whole different market with the young preferring retro, and sport bikes. Newbies are buying Groms. Unless HD decides to compete, they are toast or government bailout.
Unfortunately, with the number of bikes that are going into production now, it's not gonna be enough to offset negative numbers. I worked under contract for them, and i can tell you the quality of these bikes has gone down and there are many design flaws.
Love you stuff. Just left the Valley Harley Davidson in Tridelphia West Virginia, was there for four hours. I got out the door on a 24 black/black road glide for 27,714. Again out the door. Plus a 650 gift card! I’m very excited to ride my first Harley this season!
For one motorcycle?? I bought 4 H-D in past few years for grand total of $10,600. All nice bikes and still own plus they are still worth what I paid or more.
I still feel that they should have like some sort of heritage line to where people don’t want all the electronic garbage can get just a straight up motorcycle
@@thelost_woodsI bought a police model. All the safety features and the 114 with no stereo. Dealer kept trying to upsell me because they couldn’t believe I didn’t care about infotainment.
I have a 2019 road glide ultra that in a year will be worth some bucks lol only kidding I’m keeping my bike it is awesome and when the time comes I’ll look to buy another used bike with low miles and save 10 grand again.
Harley should have never got rid of Buell- Buell, the company & the designer could have taken the company into the future (ICE, electric & sport bikes) appealing to a younger demographic, while keeping the Harley brand smaller & nostalgic. A bad CEO can hurt a company, several bad CEO’s will destroy a company.
@@gordonwrichert8240 Erik Buell, is 74 I think. His former company, EBR was bought in bankruptcy going on 10 years ago. That owner got ahold of the Buell name again at some point and has been trying to build the brand back. He definitely stepped off in different directions with the cruiser and Baja. He is in the price brackets that are likely to stay limited sales. We'll see I guess. The cruiser sure got a lot of buzz so maybe it will be a hit. I'm fine with my old xb so not their target audience unless they also get ahold of the XBRR engine in a streetable form.🤤
They are out of their minds with the prices. Maybe they should start making all of their parts in the USA and be a real made in the USA motorcycle again.
@@gardnerwebb3749less of made in the USA? That isnt how that works. It pretty much ALWAYS cost more if something is made in the USA vs cheaper labor companies. That is the entire point of building elae where is to increase profits. Why would they build out of country if it cost more to do so?
@@walkingwolf8072 even if their interested young people can't afford to buy a motorcycle because homes are so expensive now due to many factors. Main reason being international corporations started buying houses off the free market a few years ago and even paying more than fair value so they could turn around and "lease" them to the government to "house immigrants" that are here illegally and legally. If you decrease the supply of any product there is demand for the price will go up fast. This helps illegal alliens and hurts all Americans. If people have less money and you raise the price of a motorcycle less people will buy motorcycles.
@@walkingwolf8072 Even that's way out of reach, housing inflation outstripped everything else so by the time the younger people can afford a home they're not going to be able to even afford a child in a home they may need to share with roommates. Right now all first world countries are suffering vastly with population replacement but no one wants to offer solutions to fix this problem. In fact what may bring about a surge of two wheels is that the four wheel options are starting to price themselves out as well but the two wheel options may freak many out as it's going to be the stand up type of scooters and not gas engine options.
I currently ride a '22 RG (love it!!), with about $35K invested (Bike, fees , taxes, and upgrades). I was considering moving to a '24 Road Glide. I had an opportunity to ride a '24 RG (rental) this summer, out in the desert in 106 degrees. I was very excited with the performance and handling. The bike never felt hot or over heated.. I went to my local HD dealer (were I bought my '22 RG) to talk numbers. The'24 with fees, taxes and cost of upgrades (intake, exhaust, tuner, amp & speakers), out the door was $37K. My trade in value was $13.5K. That's $20K negative equity. I am really struggling to justify moving to the '24. If I do pull the trigger it will based purely on emotion and the love of riding vs any sound financial consideration.
been building up my 2023 FXST black(at no extra cost) A 2 INTO ONE Trask big sexy exhaust, a 119 C.I. from Screamin Eagle black engine accessories, had my dealer do the work so my warranties are Harley compliant and drag bars. What I wish Harley would make a simpler blacked out Breakout, no electronics to lower cost and less foreign parts. Would be nice to see a bigger RevMax in a soft tail style frame. Thanks for the news.
I'd like to see them do a m8 wide glide. Raked out like the breakout. Wide trees, 5gal tank in flames, normal 180 rear tire with Standards fender, some mini apes.
Sad that Harley is doing away with the limited models. Harley is doing this, not because of sales, but to create another package for the Street and Road glides. They will come up with a limited package that when said and done will cost more than what it currently costs for a limited.
I don't know why some riders like black on black as a color?!? Are they trying to make the bike the same color as the pavement so they don't stand out?? Isn't it better to be visible in traffic?? And you pay extra for this "color", ya right!
The lowers were around many years before the water cooled heads. Lowers provide protection. I’m going to wait and see what happens in 26. If there’s no new limited I plan to buy a 24 Limited.
@@kevindecker9444 idk where you're at but in Iowa My brother in law just bought a brand new 24 street glide cvo st 48k out the door. Still way to expensive for me
Im glad I bought my 2019 road glide special this year (bought it used with 13K miles on it). I looked for a long time before pulling the trigger. I wanted a very specific look and it couldn't be bought as a factory bike from Harley. That concept was a 2019 or 2020 Road glide special in Scorched Orange. It also had to have the tour pack and lowers added. I was specific that I wanted the Special because I wanted the blacked out parts, and also wanted the stretched bag look. FInally pulled the trigger in august and have really enjoyed the bike for touring. We put 5K miles on it in 2 months. As a bonus, it also had the Ohlins suspension front and rear, Klockworks windshield, and Stage 2 audio with minimal engine mods. Yay for me..I have no desire to move up to the 24+ models. I personally dont prefer the all digital gauge package. I like the version I have with the analog gauges AND the screen for map, etc. If they go thru with the concept of a base model Road Glilde/Street glide, and then "upsell the packages" I think its a win for the harley biz, but NOT for the people who want to buy them. Cost will go up to buy the bikes and package them they way they want, AND they wont get that back in resale later if they want to upgrade to a newer model. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the shout out, I am hoping they don't change their mind on the Rev max price cut since the election and tariff talks a have heated up. My info on this came just a few weeks before the election.
I agree with some of the people in here start making our parts in the USA again what is wrong with that people in this country need to go back to work and stop working from home or living off the government
Not every job requires being on sight. Most production in the U.S. is run by a few highly trained operators and kept running by a few technicians. The old days of hundreds of people on an assembly line are long gone and not returning
@ that might be true for cheap commodity type items but not for quality precision parts. There’s a reason we’re all willing to pay more for precision engineering from highly union European factories
Pricing and no limited are big reasons I'm keeping my 2021 Road Glide Limited. All the new tech is cool, however not cool enough to make me want to step up and buy a new bike!
I love my Harley. If you can afford it and want a new bike go ahead and get it. If you want to ride a Harley and don’t want to buy a new one you can find a nice used bike and just make it your own over time. No matter what route you decide to go if it’s sitting in your garage you are missing the point of riding. Get out there and make memories on whatever you can ride and afford!
The really funny thing is that when someone predicts Harley Davidson’s demise, all you need to do is ask them for a date and to put just $100 behind it, and they can’t shut up fast enough.
@@FXFBS540 Then a RE is really cheap when the wage earners have a family to take care of. RE is the number one seller of motorcycles in the world, Honda is the number one in the US. We are going to see a return to the 70's with metric bikes being dominate on the road. Face it, HD's market is dying, literally. And some of us old farts, 70 years old, prefer to ride a RE.
@@walkingwolf8072 I disagree I go to bike nights all the time and it's amazing to see all the younger generations buying new harleys, the fxlrs has been a big hit with the younger generations.
@@RockinJEngraving I have not seen a single, not even one, teenage to early adult on a Harley. Just middle age to old age, and Indian is imposing on that market. The future of any business is the young, Harley is completely ignoring the market.
The limited isn't going to sell because they haven't changed to the new body style. Why would you buy a limited that looks like a 2020 model in 24 or 25. Now you have to pay more. For the add ons . To make your stg rdg look like a limited. BS!!
Because the new bikes are ignorantly ugly. I was planning on being on the market when i heard there would be a redesign, then i saw them. Im not at all on the market.
I like my new road glide, but I’ve recently gotten back into these mid 90’s dynas and softail. The quality was much better and they were definitely American made.
Maybe they need to focus on quality first. I bought a 2023 street glide. Had it 9 mos. Ive been riding 52yrs. No newbie. First thing the shifter broke off. Then even though it had nothing added from factory the charging system took a shit. They had it 2 mos. Got it back and the lights pulsed. Still charging issues. Kept it 3 weeks and got it fixed. Then I got caught out in the rain. Bike shut down. Turns out water was running down inside the fairing and shorting it out. The handlebars felt notchy in turns at times. Head bearing was bad due to over torque at factory. Still had factory bars so it wasnt me. I sold it at a loss. I didnt trust it to get more than 50 miles from home. Defeating the whole purpose of having a new bike. 1936 miles on it.
Don’t forget false profits are obtained by layoffs which are then tabled as increased revenues to boost their stocks from the savings of wages unpaid via layoffs.
@DennisMerwoodI hope this is sarcasm. My local dealer who I previously worked for and still have friends there, recently laid off 50% staff including 90% of sales team who are only commissioned based.
Maybe they should build their parts in America where they should be in the first place , I’ll keep riding my old bikes and don’t give a crap what HD does
@DennisMerwood All you have is snark and smart aleck remarks, and add nothing to the conversation. How about dazzling us with some of your vast, limitless knowledge.
I've been riding for about 13 years now. I've had 4 motorcycles. None of them have been HD. Part of it is just that I tend to be contrarian, but mostly, it's been the cost that has kept me from pulling the trigger. It's hard for me to justify paying 30k for a HD when I could get a comparable metric for half that or less.
Another way to stick it to you, charge more and give you less. Pretty much everything is an add on. Indian's looking better and better. They including everything Harley charges you for. Pass.
HD cries about not enough people buying Harleys while making bikes for the smallest segment in the motorcycling market, charging more for each unit than any other motorcycle manufacturer. Seems like someone skipped Business 101.
Get less for more money seems to be the American way.I Bought a new 2009 electric glide Ultra for 21,500 and a new 2017 Road Glide Ultra with few extras for 29,500 and now you got to purchase what they’re calling the long haul package without tour pack speakers and no lights.Why raise the price because Trump is talking about tariffs I don’t think that affected prices when raised tariffs before. Make things in America again.
At this point, it really doesn't matter what we think. HD is just gonna roll on with total abandonment. This is why I purchased an older bike, my second in the stable. Peace!
They still have the DEI CEO and board of directors who don't even ride. Until the company gets rid of those leeches and get people who actually like to ride, they are going to continue to go down the road of Bud Lite.
Doing away with the touring bikes and making owners buy the extra package is just a way for HD to make more money off the customers. Quit using Chinese parts and keep the price lower.
@@frankfurther3828 garbage pretty much maxed at 25. even the master techs warned me when I first started at a Harley dealer. I'm looking at a career change. been doing it for almost 6 years and I get to walk away with knowledge to fix my own bike 🤷 biggest perks of the job are getting paid to test ride all kinds of bikes
@DennisMerwood You are incorrect. My BMW K1600B would stomp all over a CVO and I dont care what you did to the engine. 160HP stock, Power shift assist, no clutch required, and it weight is 150 lbs less. I kicked HD every day.
What about the Tri Glide? Are they keeping the old front ends, or swapping with the newer? If they do change to newer, why wouldn't they with the Ultra's? My prediction..they will keep them all, but with 121 motors!
Now’s the time to buy a 24. 2,000 off the breakout I just purchased..3.99 on the finance also another 1,200 other savings they added in such as wheel tire and other discounts. I’m loving the bike all I put on was tab slip ons. My 22 street glide hates me. I can’t get off of the breakout.
A blank canvas for the price of a Picasso. And then they sell you the "paints" for extra. Harley's not going to get me again with that. Funny how other companies can sell you a whole car for the price that Harley sells a motorcycle. There's something very wrong there. After owning, riding, and working on Harleys I can tell you there's nothing premium about the build of these bikes and definitely not more tech, engineering, or materials cost than a car yet Harley charges the same. Motorcycles used to be way cheaper than a car. I bought my first brand new Harley for $6,500. The biggest lie that we've been sold in the past 20 years is that a motorcycle is a "luxury" item.
I remember the whole purpose for buying a CVO was because it had the nice paint jobs & now they want to charge you $6k extra for two tone paint. GTFOH! I'll probably never buy another Harley. Mine is almost paid off & I think I'll be good.
@@frankfurther3828 only to those that can't afford one. I love my 2024 Street Glide CVO. Got a great price for my trade and a great deal on the new one...
HD board room "I know how to solve our sales and profit problems." Oh do tell! We just take equipment off the bikes and hike up the prices." But we can't sell them at current prices? Exactly, keep them confused and devoted customers will pay the increase because they always have! What Suckers, lol, says the board.
There is a dealership close to me that still has over 56 2023's on the floor, all overpriced! And now they are raising the prices 2000 for 2025?? really Harley?? Unless the 2025's come with inverted front forks and a painted inner fairing, it will be a rough 2025 for dealerships.
i worked for harley via dealers for over 40 years, including 8 years near you at Low Country and frankly if Harley Doesn't Fire Jochen Zeitz soon i think Indian will soon be the ONLY American Motorcycle, i've not been to Myrtle beach in a while, but i live not far from Laconia and even my wife noticed it, the custom bike world is DEAD everything looks BONE STOCK and mostly over priced baggers, why i still have my 08 Road King and it may be my last Bike.
If you want to check another dealers prices, lmk. We have 4 cvo/st's ready to go. And end of year pricing, overpaying for trades as well. We are in Columbia sc, but can get your bikes delivered to you!
@@kevindecker9444 I think this is an individual choice regarding what they think is a good deal. What good for me may not be good for others. I have friends that refuse to pay $45,000 for a CVO but I’ve purchased 3 of them.
been riding for over 45 years I will stick with my older bikes, I can fix them myself, I hate abs, GPS etc, the fun of riding is gone with the new bikes. I have actually spent a year on the road and that was with a Dayna
Ahh them taking the ultra and raod glide and making it a package from what i seen it looks like they've been pushing that route this year anyway cause of the daytripper and what not thats been on the site not to surprising but makinging them close to 30k if not more cause of tax and all fun stuff no new rider or old rider gonna wanna spend that now days with how much everything is i own a indian springfield darkhorse i dont know if thier going same way but if so im happy i got it when i did cause i wont by another American bike for how high they are going anymore
Dude, love your channel. I dont know how anyone could even be in the market for the new dressers. The internet is packed with posts, threads, and videos of the epic fail that the electrical systems are on the new TV bikes. Also given that HD is jacking the prices on them $3K, there's no reason not to pick up a 2023, there are tons of them left along with used bikes with
They wouldn't have to be concerned about tariffs if they were still made 95% here in the USA, supporting the American worker instead of screwing us out of work. The other 5% was made by our friends in Japan. F Jochen the Destroyer.
In any competitive corporate environment, increasing prices really gives the competition quite an easy opportunity to gain an advantage. In the heavy American bike market, it's really up to Indian to respond. It will be interesting to see what they do.
I love the road glide i own a 2015 RG special. For me and my taste I wasn’t a fan of the road glides this past year. I don’t like not having real analog gages. I also wasn’t a fan of the new headlight design. But that’s just me I’m more of an old school soul with some things.
Looks like every year as of resent times, "HD" is becoming an acronym for Huge Disappointment. The MSRPs are a joke, add like 5 to 10k for the out the door price. I love the bikes and would like to get a touring model but the stick holding the carrot gets longer and longer going from just out of reach to forget about it. Hopefully the find a happy medium between price and value. I would have loved it if only they kept the Standard models of the SG RG and RK, shaving off some of the "gingerbread" would have helped to get more people in the door on the touring frame and they could have stood to have helped dealer service departments to make some money from the people who bought the Standard who wanted to add stuff like tour packs and radios and what not. My wife is still a little timid about riding with me, but wants to take a chance on it and I'd like a bigger bike, so a SG or a RK stripped down would have been a good start for us, but is all but off the table in the form of a new bike at this point.
Harley-Davidson this is what happens when you make the same bike every year there's only so many people that want to ride a cruiser turning sucks on them
You can’t stay in business by getting the largest share of a shrinking market or by steadily pricing your product higher up the average income ladder… I give HD 5 years at their current trajectory.
@DennisMerwood 5 years might be right. Riding for 40 years. I wont buy another HD. These guys who wear their little cuts with their gang crap on the back make me laugh. They walk around acting tough. Nothing but punks.
Hardly Worthitson needs to un-woke, un-DEI, and do some real hard soul searching before expecting consumers to drop car money on luxury items from a company that Fundamentally Hates Them.
The new bikes handle and operates so much better than the Rushmore bikes and it just makes sense in my mind to be able to add the accessories to make it what you want I mean they already have the long haul package which has the sundowner seat and a bunch of quality of life stuff to do the long tours and with the King tour pack added on you have the option to remove it when you don't need it and those accessories come in right at the same price as a limited
Well I’m really not liking Harley right now. I have a 2022 UL with less than 2500 miles on it, I go on vacation come back start her up and check engine light is on throwing 7 ecm codes and several other codes..insane.
I can’t help but feel Harley’s priorities are wrong. If they want to stay in business they need to attract new customers at a price point people can live with. I’m from a generation that could afford it but the young people coming into it have to balance living and recreation.
Answer me this. If H-D can bring a technical marvel of the PanAm to market and is a full size bike with all luggage for a competitive price even when made in USA, Why is the standard touring bike MUCH more expensive? A radio isn't that expensive to add and all of the R&D and tooling has been done for years..
It’s a touring bike. I think weight is irrelevant. Harley is going cheap. That’s all there is to it. But they might as well get rid of the altar they got rid of all the rest of the other good bikes. The days of the old are gone Harley system, modern American bike and that’s about it nowadays.
Harley is pricing itself out of the market.
Don't think so, I have a good friend that sells them. He posts a good number of new ones WEEKLY that he has sold. And he is only 1 of about 10 salesman there., He's doing great. The dealership I just got the latest one from (2 months ago) is moving them like crazy.
@@gdhafely7865the National and international sales figures prove that your friend’s experience is an anomaly.
As if you aren’t the 5 millionth person to say this over the past 24 years - and yet here we are.
I’m glad I got to ride during the years that I did. Harley Davidson was still about riders and freedom. It was still an American company. My wife and I shared many moments together riding, our love growing in the wind. I’ll miss those days. I’ll cherish the memories.
RIP HD
Good old stereotypical Yank. A fat bloke with a beard sitting in front of a shitload of guns talking about Harleys😂😂😂 If Harley goes bust then good riddance to the overpriced dinosaurs.
My first HD was a 63 panhead.
RIP HD Inc, 1903-1999
@DennisMerwood HD today is a joke, and you don't get it.
@DennisMerwood Triumph is doing pretty good, actually. KTM needs to get their things together but I don't think they will disappear as a company. Bad Management, same as Harley.
If Lexus Automotive said "We are no longer building Lexus cars, if you want a Lexus, you have to buy a Toyota, and make a Lexus out of it....and it's going to cost you more!"
Lexus people are not going to do this, they are going to buy another luxury car plain and simple. Harley Davidson just gave the Honda Gold Wing, and the Indian Challenger a brand new customer base.
If the Limiteds aren't selling, then the obvious option is to make less of them, or make it a special order from the manufacturer, but you don't throw away your flagship motorcycle. This is the same mistake Dodge is making with their Charger models.
Poor comparison. Limited and Ultra classic were just tarted up trim levels masquerading as different models.
i have a harley cvo and i love it it is my first Harley now when i say this people might get pissed off but it is true the japs just d o it better the Gold wing is top tier in the touring market
HD and Indian are both on the slow painful road to their own dimise. They will both become parts and service centers only. The writing has been on the wall for a few years now. Aging customer base, prices are over the top for most folks, and the young kids are not interested in them. Most of them don't even know what a Harley is. No BS!
I will be buying a Gold Wing.
I just bought another fjr and couldn't be happier.still have my gen 1 and 2 though.they don't even make performance parts for the fjr,not necessary.gen one has 142000 miles and the valves are still in spec when I checked them for the second time a month ago.the new fjr is 22,000 out the door and tarifffs have nothing to do with their pricing.go woke go broke.they said they would never make it in thailand like byeden said he'd never pardon that crackhead.
The secondary market is where it's at. I see zero reason to upgrade to the new bikes for so many reasons
I agree, regardless of whatever brand you ride it’s kind of stupid to buy a new bike frankly. There are so many great bikes that are two and three years or even older with low mileage. You can buy at a fraction of the cost.
Yep. I just picked up a 2021 Street Glide Special. I probably saved almost $10k. I purchased my 1st two Harley’s brand new in the late 90’s. After that I only got used.
While I agree, I still keep an eye on the new stuff, and pray people buy them so I can have something to buy 10 years from now. I’m afraid the used market will suck in 10 years at the rate we’re going.
For a company losing customers and selling less bikes, it would seem to be a no brainer that raising prices is the last thing you’d want to do. Good call, HD Corporate. Not. 🤦♂️
Every manufacturer is going to be raising prices, not just Harley.
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@@JohnnyMan316 unfortunately this is the way of life. Everything goes up. I don’t think Harley increase prices just for the heck of it, but to continue to pay for overhead. I did 2 plant tours of Harley and not only are their employees are happy but the equipment is state of the art. Harley is a for profit company so the cost is passed on to the customer. I don’t know any company that drop the cost of their products. Take a look at Honda and Indian price increases.
@@alfonsodennis8450The Hondas and Indians are good bikes
I love my Harley’s. I also have a Goldwing and it’s a very uncomfortable bike if you have any height. Indian’s vibrate too much at highway speeds leaving my feet and hands numb when I get off them. Harley down the highway with 100,000 miles on my 2017 trouble free.
my harley will be 20 years old in 2025. Still runs, rides, and sounds amazing.
Mine will be 20 in 2027. I feel the same as you with this.
yup, i got an 04 sportster thats had some cool stuff done to it, its been, an continues to be a hell of a bike.
I’m a retired Harley mechanic and the things that the public doesn’t know is unbelievable, there are so many warranty jobs that Harley made people pay for thousand of things that were paid for but should have been covered under warranty that’s just one thing the company did and there’s more you just wouldn’t believe they do and are still doing, I don’t know what happened to the company but they sure don’t care about the customer anymore, and they have priced me out of the game, no way I can afford a new Harley , it’s ashame but I’m done with them
I just want to thank all the folks that buy these bikes new. I look forward to picking one up in a few years for pennies on the dollar with only a couple grand on the odometer and $10k in accessories.
You are quite correct. Purchased a 17 Road Glide brand new. 3 miles on it. Dumped 8K in accessories to try and make mine look different. Everyone does this. JD Powers valued my bike retail at 16K. All I could get for my bike that had 36K of money invested counting the 28K purchase price was 15K. I lost 18K on a bike with 4000 miles. Screw HD. Now I see Honda Gold Wings with 20K MILES, 5 OR 6 YEARS OLD selling for 20K easy all day long. They hold value. And this is a stock bike. No 10K in accessories.
AKA Posercycles
New rider here gents, don’t guys believe Harley will still
Be around in a few years?
@@Cowboybiker87 Harley: no. Hardley: yes.
@@frankfurther3828 damn. I was hopeful. I really don’t wanna get a shadow aero.
I hope whatever they do works and none of their workers get laid off.
I doubt it, it is a whole different market with the young preferring retro, and sport bikes. Newbies are buying Groms. Unless HD decides to compete, they are toast or government bailout.
@@walkingwolf8072 truth
They closed a plant in Kansas so there you go.
Too late!
Unfortunately, with the number of bikes that are going into production now, it's not gonna be enough to offset negative numbers. I worked under contract for them, and i can tell you the quality of these bikes has gone down and there are many design flaws.
Love you stuff. Just left the Valley Harley Davidson in Tridelphia West Virginia, was there for four hours. I got out the door on a 24 black/black road glide for 27,714. Again out the door. Plus a 650 gift card! I’m very excited to ride my first Harley this season!
Thanks man and Congratulations
For one motorcycle?? I bought 4 H-D in past few years for grand total of $10,600. All nice bikes and still own plus they are still worth what I paid or more.
Enjoy paying the 2K in state tax so add that. Black bikes suck. You must be nuts.
Got my FLHT brand new out the door for thirteen-four. Then Jochen and the golfers discontinued it.
@@randyholcombe4234lol unfortunately yes only one. It’s a nice one though.
I've rode Harleys since I has 17 ,I'm 60 and I'll never buy another new bike from corporate.
Keep in mind. HD will not work on a bike 10 years or older.
@@kevindecker9444 ...or carry parts.
Pans ,shovels,flatheads,sometimes evo
@@kevindecker9444what dealers are you going to? All the dealers around me always trying to work on my 14 year old ultra.
Not true, they worked on my 2004, at least my dealership did.
I still feel that they should have like some sort of heritage line to where people don’t want all the electronic garbage can get just a straight up motorcycle
Exactly why I bought an Electra Glide Standard. My infotainment will never be outdated
@@thelost_woodsI bought a police model. All the safety features and the 114 with no stereo. Dealer kept trying to upsell me because they couldn’t believe I didn’t care about infotainment.
get a fat boy, add a windshield, a sissy bar, some bags and you have yourself a nice bike for a fraction the cost of those
The discontinued FLHS and the discontinued FLHT and new leadership MAY save the "Motor" Company.
That's what the iron 1200 is for
I'm for sure keeping my '21 Ultra Limited now!
Yep I'll be keeping my 2024 Breakout 117
I have a 2019 road glide ultra that in a year will be worth some bucks lol only kidding I’m keeping my bike it is awesome and when the time comes I’ll look to buy another used bike with low miles and save 10 grand again.
yep, my 05 ultraclassic works and rides great.
Harley should have never got rid of Buell- Buell, the company & the designer could have taken the company into the future (ICE, electric & sport bikes) appealing to a younger demographic, while keeping the Harley brand smaller & nostalgic. A bad CEO can hurt a company, several bad CEO’s will destroy a company.
Eric Buel is making new bikes again his cruiser and sport bike now make 186 hp out of a two cylender harley motor for sale by kaplencycle for 24000 us
@@gordonwrichert8240 Erik Buell, is 74 I think. His former company, EBR was bought in bankruptcy going on 10 years ago. That owner got ahold of the Buell name again at some point and has been trying to build the brand back. He definitely stepped off in different directions with the cruiser and Baja. He is in the price brackets that are likely to stay limited sales. We'll see I guess. The cruiser sure got a lot of buzz so maybe it will be a hit. I'm fine with my old xb so not their target audience unless they also get ahold of the XBRR engine in a streetable form.🤤
nobody wants an electric motorcycle..
They are out of their minds with the prices. Maybe they should start making all of their parts in the USA and be a real made in the USA motorcycle again.
For the same damn price. It SHOULD really be less if all made in the USA because of all the politics.
@@gardnerwebb3749less of made in the USA? That isnt how that works. It pretty much ALWAYS cost more if something is made in the USA vs cheaper labor companies. That is the entire point of building elae where is to increase profits. Why would they build out of country if it cost more to do so?
Even that won't save them, young people are not interested in spending their income on a motorcycle when they want a home, and possibly a family.
@@walkingwolf8072 even if their interested young people can't afford to buy a motorcycle because homes are so expensive now due to many factors. Main reason being international corporations started buying houses off the free market a few years ago and even paying more than fair value so they could turn around and "lease" them to the government to "house immigrants" that are here illegally and legally.
If you decrease the supply of any product there is demand for the price will go up fast.
This helps illegal alliens and hurts all Americans.
If people have less money and you raise the price of a motorcycle less people will buy motorcycles.
@@walkingwolf8072 Even that's way out of reach, housing inflation outstripped everything else so by the time the younger people can afford a home they're not going to be able to even afford a child in a home they may need to share with roommates. Right now all first world countries are suffering vastly with population replacement but no one wants to offer solutions to fix this problem. In fact what may bring about a surge of two wheels is that the four wheel options are starting to price themselves out as well but the two wheel options may freak many out as it's going to be the stand up type of scooters and not gas engine options.
I currently ride a '22 RG (love it!!), with about $35K invested (Bike, fees , taxes, and upgrades). I was considering moving to a '24 Road Glide. I had an opportunity to ride a '24 RG (rental) this summer, out in the desert in 106 degrees. I was very excited with the performance and handling. The bike never felt hot or over heated.. I went to my local HD dealer (were I bought my '22 RG) to talk numbers. The'24 with fees, taxes and cost of upgrades (intake, exhaust, tuner, amp & speakers), out the door was $37K. My trade in value was $13.5K. That's $20K negative equity. I am really struggling to justify moving to the '24. If I do pull the trigger it will based purely on emotion and the love of riding vs any sound financial consideration.
been building up my 2023 FXST black(at no extra cost) A 2 INTO ONE Trask big sexy exhaust, a 119 C.I. from Screamin Eagle black engine accessories, had my dealer do the work so my warranties are Harley compliant and drag bars. What I wish Harley would make a simpler blacked out Breakout, no electronics to lower cost and less foreign parts. Would be nice to see a bigger RevMax in a soft tail style frame. Thanks for the news.
I'd like to see them do a m8 wide glide. Raked out like the breakout. Wide trees, 5gal tank in flames, normal 180 rear tire with Standards fender, some mini apes.
Starting to look like Harley is going to discontinue their way into oblivion.
I really enjoy riding my 24 CVO Road Glide ST. Our winter is generally mild and I have heated gear. I get to ride quite a bit.
How much you spend on that money bags
50k
I'd really like it if Harley brought back the Softail Springer.
Sad that Harley is doing away with the limited models. Harley is doing this, not because of sales, but to create another package for the Street and Road glides. They will come up with a limited package that when said and done will cost more than what it currently costs for a limited.
I don't know why some riders like black on black as a color?!? Are they trying to make the bike the same color as the pavement so they don't stand out?? Isn't it better to be visible in traffic?? And you pay extra for this "color", ya right!
The lowers were around many years before the water cooled heads. Lowers provide protection. I’m going to wait and see what happens in 26. If there’s no new limited I plan to buy a 24 Limited.
Harley is shooting itself in the foot. No sympathy for em anymore.
your hitting the 40,000 dollar mark its going to be a hard sell
2024 CVO price tag was 63K. Go mull that over and get back to me.
For a halfcar.
@@kevindecker9444 i know this the 2025 is 65000 in vancouver plus fees and taxes
@@kevindecker9444 idk where you're at but in Iowa My brother in law just bought a brand new 24 street glide cvo st 48k out the door. Still way to expensive for me
@@kevindecker9444 ad in the dealer fees and taxes its even more
Im glad I bought my 2019 road glide special this year (bought it used with 13K miles on it). I looked for a long time before pulling the trigger. I wanted a very specific look and it couldn't be bought as a factory bike from Harley. That concept was a 2019 or 2020 Road glide special in Scorched Orange. It also had to have the tour pack and lowers added. I was specific that I wanted the Special because I wanted the blacked out parts, and also wanted the stretched bag look. FInally pulled the trigger in august and have really enjoyed the bike for touring. We put 5K miles on it in 2 months. As a bonus, it also had the Ohlins suspension front and rear, Klockworks windshield, and Stage 2 audio with minimal engine mods. Yay for me..I have no desire to move up to the 24+ models. I personally dont prefer the all digital gauge package. I like the version I have with the analog gauges AND the screen for map, etc. If they go thru with the concept of a base model Road Glilde/Street glide, and then "upsell the packages" I think its a win for the harley biz, but NOT for the people who want to buy them. Cost will go up to buy the bikes and package them they way they want, AND they wont get that back in resale later if they want to upgrade to a newer model. Just my 2 cents.
Thanks for the shout out, I am hoping they don't change their mind on the Rev max price cut since the election and tariff talks a have heated up. My info on this came just a few weeks before the election.
I agree with some of the people in here start making our parts in the USA again what is wrong with that people in this country need to go back to work and stop working from home or living off the government
Not every job requires being on sight.
Most production in the U.S. is run by a few highly trained operators and kept running by a few technicians. The old days of hundreds of people on an assembly line are long gone and not returning
It's the unions that make it impossible to compete with overseas companies selling the same part...
@ that might be true for cheap commodity type items but not for quality precision parts. There’s a reason we’re all willing to pay more for precision engineering from highly union European factories
Get a Goldwing Tour. It’s all you need without the drama associated with HD
Pricing and no limited are big reasons I'm keeping my 2021 Road Glide Limited.
All the new tech is cool, however not cool enough to make me want to step up and buy a new bike!
I love my Harley. If you can afford it and want a new bike go ahead and get it. If you want to ride a Harley and don’t want to buy a new one you can find a nice used bike and just make it your own over time. No matter what route you decide to go if it’s sitting in your garage you are missing the point of riding. Get out there and make memories on whatever you can ride and afford!
The really funny thing is that when someone predicts Harley Davidson’s demise, all you need to do is ask them for a date and to put just $100 behind it, and they can’t shut up fast enough.
Can I enter the competition, even though I am in the UK?
When does the stock price drop?
Seriously I’m soooo underwater on my put options.
Bought a new Heritage in November, my first Harley. Beautiful ride and zero regrets.
There's no way I would buy a new Harley. 30k for a new Harley? My first house mortgage in 1984 was only $30,000. I'll keep my four old Harleys.
I agree. I'm still riding my '57 FL I bought in '77 for $1200. Have a '10 FXDC for road trips.
30k in 84 had the buying power of almost 95k in 2024. I'd say HD is pretty cheap compared to the housing market now.
@@FXFBS540 Then a RE is really cheap when the wage earners have a family to take care of. RE is the number one seller of motorcycles in the world, Honda is the number one in the US. We are going to see a return to the 70's with metric bikes being dominate on the road. Face it, HD's market is dying, literally. And some of us old farts, 70 years old, prefer to ride a RE.
@@walkingwolf8072 I disagree I go to bike nights all the time and it's amazing to see all the younger generations buying new harleys, the fxlrs has been a big hit with the younger generations.
@@RockinJEngraving I have not seen a single, not even one, teenage to early adult on a Harley. Just middle age to old age, and Indian is imposing on that market. The future of any business is the young, Harley is completely ignoring the market.
The limited isn't going to sell because they haven't changed to the new body style. Why would you buy a limited that looks like a 2020 model in 24 or 25. Now you have to pay more. For the add ons . To make your stg rdg look like a limited. BS!!
Because the new bikes are ignorantly ugly. I was planning on being on the market when i heard there would be a redesign, then i saw them. Im not at all on the market.
Harley gonna,,, HARLEY!!!!
WORRRD.
Im waiting around for 2027 to by a used 2024 Street Glide.😂
maybe a tad off topic, but at 3:41 you ran a red light
most drivers today will run thru a red six cars' lengths away. all while looking or yaking on their phones.
Price is ridiculous and knowing almost everyone will do a stage 1 at the least adds thousands more
Interesting how someone likes that the new bikes weigh less but are over weight themselves.
That's a douche comment. Probably coming from a mid 40's mid life crisis power ranger bad ass. Lmfao
I bet he is pretty snug on that 883 😂
I resemble that remark!!
That is because white collar types like me have to sit all day, in order to earn the money to afford these expensive motorcycles.
Plus the fact that ones maximum earning years for a middle class job is later in your forties and fifties when you are not as fit.
I like my new road glide, but I’ve recently gotten back into these mid 90’s dynas and softail. The quality was much better and they were definitely American made.
Another problem is less about the msrp and how much the individual dealership try to make them up or add on their extra fees.
Maybe they need to focus on quality first. I bought a 2023 street glide. Had it 9 mos. Ive been riding 52yrs. No newbie. First thing the shifter broke off. Then even though it had nothing added from factory the charging system took a shit. They had it 2 mos. Got it back and the lights pulsed. Still charging issues. Kept it 3 weeks and got it fixed. Then I got caught out in the rain. Bike shut down. Turns out water was running down inside the fairing and shorting it out. The handlebars felt notchy in turns at times. Head bearing was bad due to over torque at factory. Still had factory bars so it wasnt me. I sold it at a loss. I didnt trust it to get more than 50 miles from home. Defeating the whole purpose of having a new bike. 1936 miles on it.
Don’t forget false profits are obtained by layoffs which are then tabled as increased revenues to boost their stocks from the savings of wages unpaid via layoffs.
@DennisMerwoodI hope this is sarcasm. My local dealer who I previously worked for and still have friends there, recently laid off 50% staff including 90% of sales team who are only commissioned based.
3:41 blatantly runs a red light 😂
Maybe they should build their parts in America where they should be in the first place , I’ll keep riding my old bikes and don’t give a crap what HD does
@DennisMerwood All you have is snark and smart aleck remarks, and add nothing to the conversation. How about dazzling us with some of your vast, limitless knowledge.
I am keeping my HD for life and I have zero reason to ever walk into a HD stealership again. F Jochen.
I've been riding for about 13 years now. I've had 4 motorcycles. None of them have been HD. Part of it is just that I tend to be contrarian, but mostly, it's been the cost that has kept me from pulling the trigger. It's hard for me to justify paying 30k for a HD when I could get a comparable metric for half that or less.
I'd like to know the price to build a Harley. How much do they profit per bike.
About $76.88 to build, over there.
Think I will go test ride a BMW 1600B
excellent choice -Triumph Owner
Spoon soon
Another way to stick it to you, charge more and give you less. Pretty much everything is an add on. Indian's looking better and better. They including everything Harley charges you for. Pass.
HD cries about not enough people buying Harleys while making bikes for the smallest segment in the motorcycling market, charging more for each unit than any other motorcycle manufacturer. Seems like someone skipped Business 101.
Get less for more money seems to be the American way.I Bought a new 2009 electric glide Ultra for 21,500 and a new 2017 Road Glide Ultra with few extras for 29,500 and now you got to purchase what they’re calling the long haul package without tour pack speakers and no lights.Why raise the price because Trump is talking about tariffs I don’t think that affected prices when raised tariffs before. Make things in America again.
At this point, it really doesn't matter what we think. HD is just gonna roll on with total abandonment.
This is why I purchased an older bike, my second in the stable.
Peace!
They still have the DEI CEO and board of directors who don't even ride. Until the company gets rid of those leeches and get people who actually like to ride, they are going to continue to go down the road of Bud Lite.
Doing away with the touring bikes and making owners buy the extra package is just a way for HD to make more money off the customers. Quit using Chinese parts and keep the price lower.
Harley technician here. just noticed you have this channel. awesome! i follow your gun channel
Thanks man and welcome to hegshot rides
After your training at MMI, what is your hourly rate they pay you?
@@frankfurther3828 garbage pretty much maxed at 25. even the master techs warned me when I first started at a Harley dealer. I'm looking at a career change. been doing it for almost 6 years and I get to walk away with knowledge to fix my own bike 🤷 biggest perks of the job are getting paid to test ride all kinds of bikes
America needs to find something it’s good at and it’s not Harley Davidson
@DennisMerwood You are incorrect. My BMW K1600B would stomp all over a CVO and I dont care what you did to the engine. 160HP stock, Power shift assist, no clutch required, and it weight is 150 lbs less. I kicked HD every day.
Good for you Kevin. You’re the man Kevin.
What about the Tri Glide? Are they keeping the old front ends, or swapping with the newer? If they do change to newer, why wouldn't they with the Ultra's? My prediction..they will keep them all, but with 121 motors!
I just bought my first Harley a 2018 Sportster with 4000 miles and I'm coming from a 2003 shadow I restored that has over 200,000 miles on her
Bought my 2014 FLHTP with 2500 miles for $8k less than the original owner paid for it, love it and have no desire to "upgrade".
Now’s the time to buy a 24. 2,000 off the breakout I just purchased..3.99 on the finance also another 1,200 other savings they added in such as wheel tire and other discounts. I’m loving the bike all I put on was tab slip ons. My 22 street glide hates me. I can’t get off of the breakout.
A blank canvas for the price of a Picasso.
And then they sell you the "paints" for extra.
Harley's not going to get me again with that.
Funny how other companies can sell you a whole car for the price that Harley sells a motorcycle. There's something very wrong there. After owning, riding, and working on Harleys I can tell you there's nothing premium about the build of these bikes and definitely not more tech, engineering, or materials cost than a car yet Harley charges the same. Motorcycles used to be way cheaper than a car. I bought my first brand new Harley for $6,500.
The biggest lie that we've been sold in the past 20 years is that a motorcycle is a "luxury" item.
I remember the whole purpose for buying a CVO was because it had the nice paint jobs & now they want to charge you $6k extra for two tone paint. GTFOH! I'll probably never buy another Harley. Mine is almost paid off & I think I'll be good.
@@theotherrobzombie CVO= Fool's Purchase
@@frankfurther3828 only to those that can't afford one. I love my 2024 Street Glide CVO. Got a great price for my trade and a great deal on the new one...
Harley-Davidson has finally did it they priced their self write out of business
I'm keeping my 2018 then. I do distance and I'm not going to à la cart myself into the poor house
HD board room "I know how to solve our sales and profit problems." Oh do tell! We just take equipment off the bikes and hike up the prices." But we can't sell them at current prices? Exactly, keep them confused and devoted customers will pay the increase because they always have! What Suckers, lol, says the board.
"where did I put my loafers?"
They won't discontinue the Ultra's, they will upgrade them to the new fairing and 117 intercooled
Downgrade
Jochen the Destroyer wants to add 3 more engine variants to the existing 40-engine lineup.
There is a dealership close to me that still has over 56 2023's on the floor, all overpriced! And now they are raising the prices 2000 for 2025?? really Harley?? Unless the 2025's come with inverted front forks and a painted inner fairing, it will be a rough 2025 for dealerships.
i worked for harley via dealers for over 40 years, including 8 years near you at Low Country and frankly if Harley Doesn't Fire Jochen Zeitz soon i think Indian will soon be the ONLY American Motorcycle, i've not been to Myrtle beach in a while, but i live not far from Laconia and even my wife noticed it, the custom bike world is DEAD everything looks BONE STOCK and mostly over priced baggers, why i still have my 08 Road King and it may be my last Bike.
I'm looking at getting a lowrider ST soon. Do you know if they are getting any updates or should I just go for a 24 and older?
The 23 and 24 lowrider st are the same. The only difference is the new color options
@terrykirby6718 I'm aware. Was curious if the 25s will have any changes.
@@kevincrabtree6660 I have not heard that yet
Just bought another Triumph Rocket 3. Looks like I'll be getting an Indian Sport Chief instead of a Breakout.
The Pan-American is the only Harley I would even be interested in owning
I bought a fully loaded 2025 Toyota camry xse last week with and yet Harley CVO Road Glide is 7500$ more expensive. It doesn’t make sense.
I am trading my 2019 CVO Limited and my wife’s Street Glide for 2 CVO Road Glides. Harley is giving us a good price on our trades.
If you want to check another dealers prices, lmk. We have 4 cvo/st's ready to go. And end of year pricing, overpaying for trades as well. We are in Columbia sc, but can get your bikes delivered to you!
Dealers never give one a good deal. Get real.
@@kevindecker9444 I think this is an individual choice regarding what they think is a good deal. What good for me may not be good for others. I have friends that refuse to pay $45,000 for a CVO but I’ve purchased 3 of them.
@@kevindecker9444 My dealer did. Now riding a 2024 Street Glide CVO.. Love it...
been riding for over 45 years I will stick with my older bikes, I can fix them myself, I hate abs, GPS etc, the fun of riding is gone with the new bikes. I have actually spent a year on the road and that was with a Dayna
Ahh them taking the ultra and raod glide and making it a package from what i seen it looks like they've been pushing that route this year anyway cause of the daytripper and what not thats been on the site not to surprising but makinging them close to 30k if not more cause of tax and all fun stuff no new rider or old rider gonna wanna spend that now days with how much everything is i own a indian springfield darkhorse i dont know if thier going same way but if so im happy i got it when i did cause i wont by another American bike for how high they are going anymore
Dude, love your channel. I dont know how anyone could even be in the market for the new dressers. The internet is packed with posts, threads, and videos of the epic fail that the electrical systems are on the new TV bikes. Also given that HD is jacking the prices on them $3K, there's no reason not to pick up a 2023, there are tons of them left along with used bikes with
Those rev max bikes will never be made in America again. Can’t wait for the made in Thailand 🇹🇭 videos at US dealerships. It’s going to be epic.
Bangkok Baggers for 2030. lol Complete with femboy back-seater.
I am more off a stripped down bike kind of guy but longdistance why not a bagger
They wouldn't have to be concerned about tariffs if they were still made 95% here in the USA, supporting the American worker instead of screwing us out of work. The other 5% was made by our friends in Japan. F Jochen the Destroyer.
Pan American has charging problems I hear they couldn't even get that right
Gotta remember more than likely there will be some type of the ultra next year even if it has three wheels.... Tri glide
In any competitive corporate environment, increasing prices really gives the competition quite an easy opportunity to gain an advantage. In the heavy American bike market, it's really up to Indian to respond. It will be interesting to see what they do.
I'm glad I have my 21 roadglide special
I love the road glide i own a 2015 RG special. For me and my taste I wasn’t a fan of the road glides this past year. I don’t like not having real analog gages. I also wasn’t a fan of the new headlight design. But that’s just me I’m more of an old school soul with some things.
Looks like every year as of resent times, "HD" is becoming an acronym for Huge Disappointment. The MSRPs are a joke, add like 5 to 10k for the out the door price. I love the bikes and would like to get a touring model but the stick holding the carrot gets longer and longer going from just out of reach to forget about it. Hopefully the find a happy medium between price and value. I would have loved it if only they kept the Standard models of the SG RG and RK, shaving off some of the "gingerbread" would have helped to get more people in the door on the touring frame and they could have stood to have helped dealer service departments to make some money from the people who bought the Standard who wanted to add stuff like tour packs and radios and what not. My wife is still a little timid about riding with me, but wants to take a chance on it and I'd like a bigger bike, so a SG or a RK stripped down would have been a good start for us, but is all but off the table in the form of a new bike at this point.
HD should look for ways to source parts so they don't pay tariffs and keep the prices down.
Simple,, Make them in the USA like they always should of been anyway
Harley-Davidson this is what happens when you make the same bike every year there's only so many people that want to ride a cruiser turning sucks on them
You can’t stay in business by getting the largest share of a shrinking market or by steadily pricing your product higher up the average income ladder… I give HD 5 years at their current trajectory.
@DennisMerwood 5 years might be right. Riding for 40 years. I wont buy another HD. These guys who wear their little cuts with their gang crap on the back make me laugh. They walk around acting tough. Nothing but punks.
Zeitz still there, yes, the hell with HD. ZEITZ must go.
Hardly Worthitson needs to un-woke, un-DEI, and do some real hard soul searching before expecting consumers to drop car money on luxury items from a company that Fundamentally Hates Them.
After 25+ years of throwing a leg over a Harley, they priced (new/used/parts/labor/QUALITY) me right out of their market. Dad.
The new bikes handle and operates so much better than the Rushmore bikes and it just makes sense in my mind to be able to add the accessories to make it what you want I mean they already have the long haul package which has the sundowner seat and a bunch of quality of life stuff to do the long tours and with the King tour pack added on you have the option to remove it when you don't need it and those accessories come in right at the same price as a limited
Well I’m really not liking Harley right now. I have a 2022 UL with less than 2500 miles on it, I go on vacation come back start her up and check engine light is on throwing 7 ecm codes and several other codes..insane.
Looks like I'll be buying used next time. HD is taking the piss.
I can’t help but feel Harley’s priorities are wrong. If they want to stay in business they need to attract new customers at a price point people can live with. I’m from a generation that could afford it but the young people coming into it have to balance living and recreation.
This Generation Alfa, or what ever they are, consider a job that pay's less then 400K barely getting by.
Answer me this. If H-D can bring a technical marvel of the PanAm to market and is a full size bike with all luggage for a competitive price even when made in USA, Why is the standard touring bike MUCH more expensive? A radio isn't that expensive to add and all of the R&D and tooling has been done for years..
Nope!!! Harley will surprise you in 2025 and get ready for “United we Ride”
It’s a touring bike. I think weight is irrelevant. Harley is going cheap. That’s all there is to it. But they might as well get rid of the altar they got rid of all the rest of the other good bikes. The days of the old are gone Harley system, modern American bike and that’s about it nowadays.
Panataiwanian 😆😂 ROTFLMAO BWWWAAAAAAAHAHAHAAA ROTFLMAO 😆😆 SMFH