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The Sportster S I found uncomfortable being perched on top and spread out so far but that’s due to nerve damage issues in my spine acquired over a 38 year span of riding everything, dirt, trials, cruiser, cafe you name it. The 2023 Nightster Special has my name written all over it just not my wallet quite yet. Brilliant step forward for Harley despite the complaints of traditionalists. Plenty of air cooled mills left for you guys
Definitely went with the Sportster S; cruise, forward controls, 121 HP, heated grips, tech package, bobber styling, flat tracker exhaust, wind-screen and tail options, were the way to go for me. The down side for me is the fuel capacity. The Sportster S should have a 4.0 gal tank; on the other hand, the firm suspension (although adjustable) is tight enough that you're going to want to get off and walk around every 120 miles or so anyways, so the extra fuel stops are not really a problem. The preload adjustment (knob) on the single rear shock is a win for the Sportster S. Configurable ride modes is pretty hip, on the Sportster S. Although both bikes have LED all around (all modern bikes should follow suit) the pill shaped front lighting aesthetic of the Sportster S is preferable for me, and at night is really superb. marcus
Nice acquisition. I am looking to get a Sporster S as well but all Harley die hards are telling me it’s a girls bike which I don’t understand why because it has over 120hp. I love the blue one and maybe looking to get one this summer. Only downside is that it’s damn expensive. Congratulations on your purchase. It a very nice looking bike.
@@Slopes27 , its also not a "girls bike" because of the seat height and the forward controls. Most women with short inseam will at least want the mid controls; but many will find it difficult to flat-foot the bike, and the forward controls will be out of reach for them. The bike is 500 Lbs. It doesn't have a 5 gallon tank. It feels quite different from my Heritage Springer Softail (850 Lbs). It looks "small" and for those reasons it gets misnomered. Motorcycle fit is more about size than gender. pegging a motorcycle as a "girls bike" is just ignorant. marcus
@@ed.t.hansen6499 , huh, what? Well, for the Sportster S, you're right from the standpoint that when you 3 gal tank is empty your butt is tired anyway, and time to stretch; on the other hand obviously the reason to have a five gal tank is convenience or in rural areas where fuel stops are sparse. There have been plenty of times I wished the tank was 5 gal. marcus
Fantastic vid mate, enjoy watching and listening what you do and say. My wife and I will be looking at these both for us. After riding them we were blown away. These are modern Harley Davidson’s, the most important thing though is they fit us more than all the other bikes we have ridden, regardless of being a Harley or not. Ride safe 😊
Would looove to see a comparison like this between the S and the new FTR1200. Also glad to see the visual comparison on the lean angle. That’s a great first 👍
FTR will be comfortable-Will win the twisty ride sportster S will win the drag race. Every stop people will ask how funny is the suspension and equally will be wondering how you are enjoying it. Both looks good. FTE looks smaller to me. sportster S has great Corbin seat option that will reduce seat height by an inch ( the good feeling is low height stealth machine). FTR is the practical thing. Sportster S in the odd one.
The Nighster is really Harley's reply to the rebel 1100 IMO, except it has most of those features that you actually like on the Sportster S :) (except for blue tooth) I love that the Sportster S looks like a thug 😂
it's interesting that you think the Indian is the true thug. to my eye the S is a bit reminiscent of the Fat Bob; a mean machine. I think that Honda and Kawasaki have missed a trick with their compact cruisers; correct me if I'm wrong but what self-respecting cruiser rider wants to be bothered with a chain? popeye.
@@SB-mw1bg I got a rebel about 2 months ago, and it's a fantastic bike. I didn't try the Nighster, but I heard some people say that it's even easier to ride than the rebel because of the gas container trick, but the rebel is such and easy ride, so I doubt it'd be something that would have convinced me to spend double the amount :)
As an owner of the sportster s and have ridden the nightster I can say I love both bikes. But definitely more bang for your buck with the sportster s. I'll be buying my wife the nightster in the future tho.
thailand nighster S is $17,000 usd. Sporster about the same before you add pillions seats; sissy bar; new handle bar; add $1500.00 usd to make it useable. i hear big differnce in control with fat tires ! Asked the dealer; sit on the seat; stretch the pegs on the sporster and you can't reach the handlebars !! amazing.
I stand at 6'1 as well and ended up going with the nightster mainly because of the handling and torque snapping on faster, I test drove both bikes back to back and the nightster hit 60 faster than the sportster S, maybe it's just me but I believe the nightster was the better buy for ME but everyone will be different. The forward controls on the Sportster S are a little uncomfortable with the handlebars and the ride position will make you uncomfortable after mer minutes on the bike, however, the nightster, I've ridden for 4-6 hours at a time and have never been uncomfortable on it. My only complaint with the nightster is the lack of accessories but it being Covid times, I understand. I simply cannot wait for Screaming Eagle to get some performance parts for the nightster on the market so I can wipe the road with every Sportster S I see. Hope this was helpful.
Thanks very much for sharing your experience Brandon, very useful! That's interesting, I now need to test ride the Nightster as soon as a demo becomes available.
That's a good video but you are terrible at math. The Sportster S produces 35% (34.44%) more power, not 25%! 🤣Beside that, that was a very thorough video and I enjoyed and have learned alot! ☺
Definitely would just spend the extra for the S. I like the taller seating Position, and better lean angle. Also has room to be lifted more and hopefully there will be a rearsets kit someday
Yeah I believe the Sportster S is selling very well! Would explain them being scarce. I know there's a waiting list here in Oz if you want a Sportster S.
Hmmm... Well, I already have an 05, Custom Built, SE1200C, Sportster Bobber that I absolutely luv. And, a 100 Year Anniversary Edition FXTS Softail Springer that I, also, absolutely luv. They're my Cruisers. So, if I was to get another HD, it would be one that's a super performing high horsepower, "Menace to Society," HD that I could just go nuts on. It most definitely would be the Sportster S!!! A Tricked Out, High Speed, Sportster S with Custom Exhaust and High Perfomance Tune. Oh, it would have to be HD Black, too, like my other Bikes... :-) Great comparison! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
I like the bodywork style better on the Sportster S but I I hate the big fat wheels for preactical reasons I would sell the wheels forks and brakes off my S and put a donor front end (Triples and all) all off a nice Liter Sportbike along with a set of forged wheels and correct sized wheels 17" of course....And of course rearsets a lighter exhaust and a lithium battery if it does not have one new. Hopefully all that would remove close to 40ish pounds? with a lot of it being unsprung. My goal would be to finally own a Harley Sportbikej.....too bad Buell isnt still at with Harley as I think the RevMax motor could be ideal for that kind of build!
That was great 👍. Lack of suspension on the S probably explains the balloon tires . When you moved the controls to rear it made me think that a Bronx is still possible. Perhaps a Sportster S with the Nightster suspension or at least the same amount of travel. Any way great job.
The bar end mirrors are a nightmare for anyone commuting as lane splitting will become increasingly limited. Putting a passenger on the Sporty S is a very big expense so make sure you know what you're up for if your gal wants a dink.
I'd put money on Harley making an even larger Rev Max engine for a Tourer or bagger. I think everyone could appreciate a 1700cc-1800cc tourer with near 200 HP. Most sport bikes would think twice about taking one on. It's about time Harley moves on.
Love these bikes… I have a 22 FXLRS but I wouldn’t mind having either one of these to rip around on too. Trying to talk my GF into getting a Nightster so ya know, I can “barrow” it from time to time 😆 Ps. Both are clearly best suited stock for average height individuals 5’8”-6’2”
adjustible suspension; manual vs; triumps tiger GT or tracer 9GT with it being fully automatic depending on load . Lets not even get into that mini round display vs a 7" full color tft that displays all you need !!
I have to admit the variation of the cost of the same model in those countries you mentioned baffles me a bit. I periodically covert prices to U.S. dollars and find the differences glaring. Some of it is understandable due to shipping cost but the tariffs seems to hit Harley especially hard.
Yeah the European countries get hit especially hard Flat Cap. I think in Norway from memory there's a 40% odd tax that needs to be added to the purchase price.
I have rode both of these bikes back to back and prefer the nightster. I am 5'5" and found the Sportster s uncomfortable and couldn't ride that bike for more than 1 hour
Definitely the Sportster S with mid controls, the mini apes and the screen. Both of these bikes are very good. I think Harley deserve plaudits for their work here.
interested in dual persons; riding comfort for the passnger; the seat look like it need to be wider; higher; more comfy. ; Should be cheap options to add the pannier side boxes
I agree. There's something about the Nightster that is very appealing. But having said that the Sportster S takes a big step up looks wise with a different exhaust system. Check out the exhaust system Geelong Harley-Davidson came up with for their Sportster S demo bike. th-cam.com/video/HCpgV0CVkIk/w-d-xo.html
You did mention that the nightster has a move comfortable ride but Does the Sportster S with the higher seat position and Extra suspension adjustability provide more comfort and stability over potholes and bumpy roads with rougher terrain? And does it's more forward seat position provide more stability and less shaky movement over those types of less snooth roads?
I haven't ridden the Nightster but I did sit on the bike at the dealership. I prefer the more sporting riding position of the Sportster S. The Sportster S is very planted in turns and higher speed bends, handles nicely and encourages you to push on a bit. The ride can be hard over bumps but I didn't find it intolerable due to it's more forward leaning riding position. The bumps aren't being transmitted up through your spine as much in this position. But that's my personal experience relative to my own personal body proportions.
I rode both bikes on a limited demo run but if you have the money buy the S but either bike is excellent. I was shocked at how fat the S front tire is but it didn't seem to bother the handling. If you like either one you should definitely take one out for a bit.
@@BikesILike too short of a ride to tell and the streets they had us use were in great shape. I was shocked at how well a single disc on the S slowed the bike. It's better to take a proper ride but this was the Harley demo truck and I thought I should probably use the route they had. I know my local dealers wouldn't care if I took a longer ride.
I should add I have a Vrod and Yamaha Raider (lowered but I bought it that way, not my preference) which are both stiff so almost anything I get on seems better.
can't compare; one for persons under 5'4"; sportster s you can stretched out for long legs. All else; does not matter if you can't ride the nighster S being 6' tall . Dealer also tellls me of heat pouring out on the NS. you can't wear shorts ever !
Sportster S is better option between Nightster 975T and sportster S in Australia with out a question. If you want a cheaper option then Softail standard is the best option( two up ). Nightster S has nothing Harley-Davidson- even the bar end mirrors are plastic- those Nightster Foot pegs are meant for 10 year child. The Nightster is very uncomfortable ( it felt like lying on my face on Nightster S). If you want to save your coccyx and spinal cord go for softail standard + aftermarket suspension.
Depends. If you installed mini apes on the Sportster S along with the forwards, you'd have a nice power bobber. But with those stock handlebars, if I bought a Sportster S I'd want to put rear sets on the bike. The mids option would still be too far forward for me.
The tank on the Sportster S definitely doesn't hold 11.8 liters. The best I can squeeze in is about 10 if I stand it up. I think because you are top filling the Nightster you would likely get closer to that 11.7 where the capacity of the Sportster S leaves air at the top of the tank.
no excuse on eitehr to not have a 15 liter tanks. room is no issue; 4-5 gallon is perfect. What are they thinking. The nighttster "under the seat "may have extra soace wasted in a top tank ar.
@@ed.t.hansen6499 sounds like you ran it dry. I just run off range to empty and calculate from consumption. I have not pushed a tank to empty since I was 17.
this riding positions is the reason I do not understand why Harley doesn't have a Nightster S with the 1250, I personally do not like feet forward riding, and much rather have the 1250 performance, in the Nightster frame with the low slung exhaust.
Harley does have optional mid controls for the Sportster S, although for me I'd prefer rear sets if keeping the stock handlebars. I'd personally keep the forward controls on the Sportster S if I added mini ape handlebars.
advantage over bmw; honda is the forward controls; legs can stretch out. even the kaw. vulcan S is for short riders; legs not out far enough. @@BikesILike
If somebody wants to burn that much money for either, Sportster S is way better and very fun bike, although not very practical for anything. I tried them both. Nightster was complete crap. I can't say one good thing about it other than it being a motorcycle. Pan Am is also great if looking for water cooled Harley.
Except sportster produce 95 nm under 3000 rpm 👍🏻so it will not better launch from idole rpm unless have much shorter first gear 👌🏻 nonless in racing style start sportster achieve 100 km/h much faster 👌🏻its engine in terms of performance = elasticity and max acceleration is muchbetter than nightster 👌🏻lean angle is not results how bike coan fast go into corners : other factor are tire profile width elasticity and center of gravity hight and 2 surprise hear for most car driver ., wider tire at the same lean angle mean you drive in corner slower and 2 lower coff gravity hight also mean you drive in corner slower at the same lean angle cos it work like normal leverage 👌🏻 the higher centrę of gravity hight the biger force is aplied at the same lean angle 👌🏻 try put vertical 1 metres stick from 30 degree angle be grab lowest posiible now try do the same with 2 metres stick be grab ot the same from the same lean angle 😎 2 metre give you much biger resist and you be feel that you must use much biger force to straighten it verticaly 😁 so on bikes lower centrę of gravity hight not necessery mean better for cornering like in car 👍🏻feg suzuki gsxr 1000 have mich higher centrę of gravity hight than h-d vrod 😎 quees which go faster into corner 😜
It's a mixed bag for me too . Harley Davidson has built enough motorcycles to know who they want to sell these new models too . I'll be looking for your fallow up articals with seat time on both models before you fall in love with one . We know you will because everybody knows how louse you are when it comes new model time . Me Too . . . 'There Here' T/C/E
I think the nightster is way overpriced. The Scout looks better, has more power and bigger tank. (No rider modes alrighty but that is unnecessary on a sub 100hp/nm bike imo. The Sportster S is expensive but laden with electronics, has a class leading engine and a unique appeal with aggressive looks. Same price as the FTR S. Okay I might be biased as I have just bought my Sportster S lol
Comparing exchange rates looks like Australia gets flogged hard with Harley Tax and considering these bikes are made in Thailand just look at label on the bikes as I've seen it in person.I love the product but seems like we Aussies always get charged a @#$% load more
I'll check my book but I am certain the bikes are made in Milwaukee. Also don't forget the quoted US price is missing about $2,000+ in on road costs. By the time you factor in exchange rate, on road cost and container freight, it is pretty on par with US pricing. Also the US has a weird system where the dealer can name any price they want. I am hearing that the Sportster S is selling closer to $20,000 US through many dealers
@@ADSCoachSimonB2112 Yes, but the 883 is not the same as the Sportster S. Shit mate, I ride a Triumph America 865 which is the comparison bike to your 883 that I could have purchased at the same price in 2014. So where is this "Harley tax" people talk of? So I own a similar powered bike that was sold the same year at the same price. know because I bought it that year and considered the 883. In hindsight I would have gone with the Harley, but the purchased price on the day was the same.
I came to see a sportster ? Hmm didnt see one , i did see some new harleys but where are the sportsters , lets admit it guys , the air cooled days are coming to an end just like the kick start disappeared , you see the more tech they use the more you have to take it to them to fix ,money money money , thats all that matters , im glad im a real biker and not just a bike rider , after 2004 the sportser went crap , the transmission can only be fixed by totally seperating the cases where as my 96 i can just pull the clutch out and trap door allows me to pull the entire tranny ,super easy and motor doesnt have to be pulled completely apart , it works perfect why change it in 2004 , Harleys days are numbered they make more money from clothing then bikes now , what does that say about thier bikes ......over priced and too little too late , they should have been inovating long ago , now there trying to play catch up but not adjusting pricing .
The Sporster S is by far the better buy. The Nightster is way over priced. That bike should be in the $12,000 range. For what it costs it makes no sense to buy that bike over a Sporster S.
must have forwrad controls and new handlebars; your legs are NOT like in the photo if your 6' . Your knees are higher than your butt; that ruins your back/spine. ; This the sportster must have the use of forward pegs; and then show the salesman that you can't reach the handbars; !!! his solution is to spend 700.00 usd for new handlebars !!! now new $$ for pillion seat/back rest; and pegs !! Those Pass. pegs should be standard !
The Sportster S does have a quirk where if the engine stops at the approach of a compression stroke then it may pause when you try to restart the bike. But another press on the starter button and the bike fires straight to life. It happened once on the many times I started the bike on my test ride. It's not an issue for me.
I have a Nightster 975 and I would recommend spending the extra money for the Sportster S. Nightster 975 is trash biggest mistake I've made all year. Pros: Tank weight low so bike feels light That's it Cons: Constant motor oil leak Low power Uncomfortable riding Heat from motor burns the ankles even through pants and boots Way to expensive Small gas tank Under seat gas tank Legs cramp mid controls to short even for a 5'11 person Cheap riding seat Expensive parts Handle bars controls are the worse I average 130 miles per full tank. Switching between riding modes really takes a toll on mpg. Road mode for street, rain mode on dirt roads, sport mode for freeways.
cons is std items; most items you fix yourself. ; Pro's. good low center of gravity. need forward controls; then move them !! get a new seat. just every other biker !
15k for that? HDMC is doing everything they can to tank the company. I wouldn't give 5k for it. Actually I don't want either. I'll stick to old harleys
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*This is no longer a valid comparison.* The Nightster is US$11,999 while the -Sportster- S is US$16,999.
Hey! You forgot to compare . . . nah, never mind. You got it all. Cheers!
Lol, thanks Guy 😄
Nightster is my choice! Great video. Thanks!
The Sportster S I found uncomfortable being perched on top and spread out so far but that’s due to nerve damage issues in my spine acquired over a 38 year span of riding everything, dirt, trials, cruiser, cafe you name it. The 2023 Nightster Special has my name written all over it just not my wallet quite yet. Brilliant step forward for Harley despite the complaints of traditionalists. Plenty of air cooled mills left for you guys
Definitely went with the Sportster S; cruise, forward controls, 121 HP, heated grips, tech package, bobber styling, flat tracker exhaust, wind-screen and tail options, were the way to go for me. The down side for me is the fuel capacity. The Sportster S should have a 4.0 gal tank; on the other hand, the firm suspension (although adjustable) is tight enough that you're going to want to get off and walk around every 120 miles or so anyways, so the extra fuel stops are not really a problem. The preload adjustment (knob) on the single rear shock is a win for the Sportster S.
Configurable ride modes is pretty hip, on the Sportster S. Although both bikes have LED all around (all modern bikes should follow suit) the pill shaped front lighting aesthetic of the Sportster S is preferable for me, and at night is really superb.
marcus
I think that the nightster looks cooler with the classic Sportster silhouette though.
Nice acquisition. I am looking to get a Sporster S as well but all Harley die hards are telling me it’s a girls bike which I don’t understand why because it has over 120hp. I love the blue one and maybe looking to get one this summer. Only downside is that it’s damn expensive. Congratulations on your purchase. It a very nice looking bike.
@@Slopes27 , its also not a "girls bike" because of the seat height and the forward controls. Most women with short inseam will at least want the mid controls; but many will find it difficult to flat-foot the bike, and the forward controls will be out of reach for them.
The bike is 500 Lbs. It doesn't have a 5 gallon tank. It feels quite different from my Heritage Springer Softail (850 Lbs). It looks "small" and for those reasons it gets misnomered.
Motorcycle fit is more about size than gender. pegging a motorcycle as a "girls bike" is just ignorant.
marcus
no reason to not have a 5 gal. tank !
@@ed.t.hansen6499 , huh, what?
Well, for the Sportster S, you're right from the standpoint that when you 3 gal tank is empty your butt is tired anyway, and time to stretch; on the other hand obviously the reason to have a five gal tank is convenience or in rural areas where fuel stops are sparse. There have been plenty of times I wished the tank was 5 gal.
marcus
Prefer the looks of the Nightster, more of a traditional Sportster look, but it should be much cheaper.
Fantastic vid mate, enjoy watching and listening what you do and say. My wife and I will be looking at these both for us. After riding them we were blown away. These are modern Harley Davidson’s, the most important thing though is they fit us more than all the other bikes we have ridden, regardless of being a Harley or not. Ride safe 😊
Thanks mate great video, looking forward to the nightster ride..
I bought a 2023 nightster S, for my wife, but I myself would prefer the Sportster S
prefer looks of nightster but harley in my opinion doing good job 👏
keeping eye out for rumored small bmw cruiser roctaine.
Would looove to see a comparison like this between the S and the new FTR1200.
Also glad to see the visual comparison on the lean angle. That’s a great first 👍
I'll look into that. 👍
FTR will be comfortable-Will win the twisty ride sportster S will win the drag race. Every stop people will ask how funny is the suspension and equally will be wondering how you are enjoying it. Both looks good. FTE looks smaller to me. sportster S has great Corbin seat option that will reduce seat height by an inch ( the good feeling is low height stealth machine). FTR is the practical thing. Sportster S in the odd one.
@@cisa1622 I"d take the FTR .like the Harley engine don't like the bike.
O came to the same conclusion and just bought my self a 2024 Sportster S 👍👍
The Nightster Special is a great bike which addressed some of the things you didn't like Nightster.
Yes! I will do a video on the Nightster S.
Thanks for all the info, it’s simple, the Sportster S for me, the Nightster for my wife (although I will borrow it once in while)
after this, I'm reading through the 2024 Nightster S vs the Sportster S
thank you kindly sir
The Nighster is really Harley's reply to the rebel 1100 IMO, except it has most of those features that you actually like on the Sportster S :) (except for blue tooth)
I love that the Sportster S looks like a thug 😂
The true thug is the indian scout bobber
it's interesting that you think the Indian is the true thug. to my eye the S is a bit reminiscent of the Fat Bob; a mean machine. I think that Honda and Kawasaki have missed a trick with their compact cruisers; correct me if I'm wrong but what self-respecting cruiser rider wants to be bothered with a chain? popeye.
And the Rebel 1100 is priced much lower than the Nightster.
@@SB-mw1bg I got a rebel about 2 months ago, and it's a fantastic bike. I didn't try the Nighster, but I heard some people say that it's even easier to ride than the rebel because of the gas container trick, but the rebel is such and easy ride, so I doubt it'd be something that would have convinced me to spend double the amount :)
@@Foodgeek The Nightster has it in the "Looks" department, but the Rebel definitely is the smarter buy, IMHO.
As an owner of the sportster s and have ridden the nightster I can say I love both bikes. But definitely more bang for your buck with the sportster s. I'll be buying my wife the nightster in the future tho.
why; i don't see any advantage; cruising with two persons not as comfy;
pannier rails for side boxes ?
thailand nighster S is $17,000 usd. Sporster about the same before you add pillions seats; sissy bar; new handle bar; add $1500.00 usd to make it useable. i hear big differnce in control with fat tires ! Asked the dealer; sit on the seat; stretch the pegs on the sporster and you can't reach the handlebars !! amazing.
I stand at 6'1 as well and ended up going with the nightster mainly because of the handling and torque snapping on faster, I test drove both bikes back to back and the nightster hit 60 faster than the sportster S, maybe it's just me but I believe the nightster was the better buy for ME but everyone will be different. The forward controls on the Sportster S are a little uncomfortable with the handlebars and the ride position will make you uncomfortable after mer minutes on the bike, however, the nightster, I've ridden for 4-6 hours at a time and have never been uncomfortable on it. My only complaint with the nightster is the lack of accessories but it being Covid times, I understand. I simply cannot wait for Screaming Eagle to get some performance parts for the nightster on the market so I can wipe the road with every Sportster S I see.
Hope this was helpful.
Thanks very much for sharing your experience Brandon, very useful! That's interesting, I now need to test ride the Nightster as soon as a demo becomes available.
6' tall riders need the pegs out front so i can situp right just like any cruiser
Just bought a 2024 Nightster Special. Should be here tomorrow, im excited!
Congrats! Enjoy your new ride!
That's a good video but you are terrible at math. The Sportster S produces 35% (34.44%) more power, not 25%! 🤣Beside that, that was a very thorough video and I enjoyed and have learned alot! ☺
cruising wtih two persons; who needs power ! im used to 500cc to 750 in city; and this is perfect for any traveling. Just big in my city
Thank you for this video and I've made my decision, it's the S model, the Low Rider S that is.
Definitely would just spend the extra for the S. I like the taller seating Position, and better lean angle. Also has room to be lifted more and hopefully there will be a rearsets kit someday
Someone's gotta do rear sets. The Sportster S looks much more comfortable with rear sets in my opinion. Especially if you're taller.
There will be rear sets available from HD. as far as I heard. I would go for the Sportster S, personally.
@@zanderkay6632 Ok great! I'll keep an eye out for those, thank you.
@@zanderkay6632 I’ve only seen the mids kit. But I’ll have to look
Very informative video.
I just rode the Nightster so far.
Neither of the 2 dealers i went to today had a Sportster S.
Yeah I believe the Sportster S is selling very well! Would explain them being scarce. I know there's a waiting list here in Oz if you want a Sportster S.
Hmmm... Well, I already have an 05, Custom Built, SE1200C, Sportster Bobber that I absolutely luv. And, a 100 Year Anniversary Edition FXTS Softail Springer that I, also, absolutely luv. They're my Cruisers. So, if I was to get another HD, it would be one that's a super performing high horsepower, "Menace to Society," HD that I could just go nuts on. It most definitely would be the Sportster S!!! A Tricked Out, High Speed, Sportster S with Custom Exhaust and High Perfomance Tune. Oh, it would have to be HD Black, too, like my other Bikes... :-) Great comparison! :-) Peace, Stiletto :-)
Sportster S Power ♥️🤟🔥🔥🔥
I like the bodywork style better on the Sportster S but I I hate the big fat wheels for preactical reasons I would sell the wheels forks and brakes off my S and put a donor front end (Triples and all) all off a nice Liter Sportbike along with a set of forged wheels and correct sized wheels 17" of course....And of course rearsets a lighter exhaust and a lithium battery if it does not have one new. Hopefully all that would remove close to 40ish pounds? with a lot of it being unsprung. My goal would be to finally own a Harley Sportbikej.....too bad Buell isnt still at with Harley as I think the RevMax motor could be ideal for that kind of build!
That was great 👍. Lack of suspension on the S probably explains the balloon tires . When you moved the controls to rear it made me think that a Bronx is still possible. Perhaps a Sportster S with the Nightster suspension or at least the same amount of travel. Any way great job.
The bar end mirrors are a nightmare for anyone commuting as lane splitting will become increasingly limited. Putting a passenger on the Sporty S is a very big expense so make sure you know what you're up for if your gal wants a dink.
yes for sure; need outfront mirrors like some scooters; ez to see quick.
Great job, Paul! Very thorough and I enjoyed it a lot!
I'd put money on Harley making an even larger Rev Max engine for a Tourer or bagger. I think everyone could appreciate a 1700cc-1800cc tourer with near 200 HP. Most sport bikes would think twice about taking one on. It's about time Harley moves on.
Excellent review! I think the Sportster S appeals to me more. With the exhaust placement, there will be no light touring options however.
Thanks Dave!
Love these bikes… I have a 22 FXLRS but I wouldn’t mind having either one of these to rip around on too. Trying to talk my GF into getting a Nightster so ya know, I can “barrow” it from time to time 😆
Ps. Both are clearly best suited stock for average height individuals 5’8”-6’2”
Nightster for me!
Hi, thanks for doing this, very much appretiated!
adjustible suspension; manual vs; triumps tiger GT or tracer 9GT with it being fully automatic depending on load . Lets not even get into that mini round display vs a 7" full color tft that displays all you need !!
Great video . I’m looking to buy my first bike. And you really gave a lot of great information. 💪🏽
Glad I could help!
I have to admit the variation of the cost of the same model in those countries you mentioned baffles me a bit. I periodically covert prices to U.S. dollars and find the differences glaring.
Some of it is understandable due to shipping cost but the tariffs seems to hit Harley especially hard.
Yeah the European countries get hit especially hard Flat Cap. I think in Norway from memory there's a 40% odd tax that needs to be added to the purchase price.
I have rode both of these bikes back to back and prefer the nightster. I am 5'5" and found the Sportster s uncomfortable and couldn't ride that bike for more than 1 hour
Definitely the Sportster S with mid controls, the mini apes and the screen. Both of these bikes are very good. I think Harley deserve plaudits for their work here.
I agree.
interested in dual persons; riding comfort for the passnger; the seat look like it need to be wider; higher; more comfy. ; Should be cheap options to add the pannier side boxes
The 883 is sadly not available in Europe as well :-( very sad bcs I dont like the watercooled engines
Hi nice video do you have any idea how much the maintenance cost for a service
Thank you. No I don't know service pricing sorry.
Thanks so much! Best reveiw Ive seen so far. I think I have found me a bike for my short ass 🙏💐
add a price for Thailand. probably up near 33k usd
For me the Nightster is a better looking bike. 👍
I agree. There's something about the Nightster that is very appealing. But having said that the Sportster S takes a big step up looks wise with a different exhaust system. Check out the exhaust system Geelong Harley-Davidson came up with for their Sportster S demo bike. th-cam.com/video/HCpgV0CVkIk/w-d-xo.html
You did mention that the nightster has a move comfortable ride but Does the Sportster S with the higher seat position and Extra suspension adjustability provide more comfort and stability over potholes and bumpy roads with rougher terrain? And does it's more forward seat position provide more stability and less shaky movement over those types of less snooth roads?
I haven't ridden the Nightster but I did sit on the bike at the dealership. I prefer the more sporting riding position of the Sportster S. The Sportster S is very planted in turns and higher speed bends, handles nicely and encourages you to push on a bit. The ride can be hard over bumps but I didn't find it intolerable due to it's more forward leaning riding position. The bumps aren't being transmitted up through your spine as much in this position. But that's my personal experience relative to my own personal body proportions.
@@BikesILike appreciate the reply and great Content!
@@basselamjad958 Thanks Bassel!
Could you do a comparison of both with the Honda cmx rebel 1100? Interesting to see the performance differences
I would if I knew TH-cam would share the video with my subscribers. Not worth doing for just a couple of hundred views.
I rode both bikes on a limited demo run but if you have the money buy the S but either bike is excellent. I was shocked at how fat the S front tire is but it didn't seem to bother the handling. If you like either one you should definitely take one out for a bit.
How did you find suspension comfort and ride quality on both bikes Davy?
@@BikesILike too short of a ride to tell and the streets they had us use were in great shape. I was shocked at how well a single disc on the S slowed the bike. It's better to take a proper ride but this was the Harley demo truck and I thought I should probably use the route they had. I know my local dealers wouldn't care if I took a longer ride.
I should add I have a Vrod and Yamaha Raider (lowered but I bought it that way, not my preference) which are both stiff so almost anything I get on seems better.
@@davypig571 Ok thanks Davy. I'm really curious to see how the Nightster rides in comparison. Hopefully we're able to ride the Nightster soon.
@@davypig571 Fair enough. If you get a longer ride let me know what you think.
can't compare; one for persons under 5'4"; sportster s you can stretched out for long legs. All else; does not matter if you can't ride the nighster S being 6' tall . Dealer also tellls me of heat pouring out on the NS. you can't wear shorts ever !
Between the 2 it wiuld be the Sportster for sure...with mini apes.
Really useful video - thanks so much
Sportster S is better option between Nightster 975T and sportster S in Australia with out a question. If you want a cheaper option then Softail standard is the best option( two up ). Nightster S has nothing Harley-Davidson- even the bar end mirrors are plastic- those Nightster Foot pegs are meant for 10 year child. The Nightster is very uncomfortable ( it felt like lying on my face on Nightster S). If you want to save your coccyx and spinal cord go for softail standard + aftermarket suspension.
I found one with a TBR exhaust.
Now cost the Sportster S in Germany 19400€ and the nighster 16500€ Thats Crazy 😮
Great stuff, thanks! I like the sportster S
Thanks John! It's a very tempting proposition.
So, does it make sense that the more sporty Sportster S has forward controls?
Depends. If you installed mini apes on the Sportster S along with the forwards, you'd have a nice power bobber. But with those stock handlebars, if I bought a Sportster S I'd want to put rear sets on the bike. The mids option would still be too far forward for me.
The tank on the Sportster S definitely doesn't hold 11.8 liters. The best I can squeeze in is about 10 if I stand it up. I think because you are top filling the Nightster you would likely get closer to that 11.7 where the capacity of the Sportster S leaves air at the top of the tank.
no excuse on eitehr to not have a 15 liter tanks. room is no issue; 4-5 gallon is perfect. What are they thinking. The nighttster "under the seat "may have extra soace wasted in a top tank ar.
10.5 L
@@ed.t.hansen6499 sounds like you ran it dry. I just run off range to empty and calculate from consumption. I have not pushed a tank to empty since I was 17.
Many here in the US are complaining about the high price of the Nightster. A whole lot of plastic components on this bike.
lighter on any bike is more plastic; less metal; falls apart easier. allot of hype in all bike sales pitches; heavier is better !
this riding positions is the reason I do not understand why Harley doesn't have a Nightster S with the 1250, I personally do not like feet forward riding, and much rather have the 1250 performance, in the Nightster frame with the low slung exhaust.
Harley does have optional mid controls for the Sportster S, although for me I'd prefer rear sets if keeping the stock handlebars. I'd personally keep the forward controls on the Sportster S if I added mini ape handlebars.
advantage over bmw; honda is the forward controls; legs can stretch out. even the kaw. vulcan S is for short riders; legs not out far enough. @@BikesILike
Sportster S ❤
Thanks!
Thanks so much Patrick!
For the price of the new Hd line up, i'll rather buy a Beemer(Triumph you name it) and keep on playing with my 2006 sporty 1200.
Ez. Air cooled does not work in climates
i see this years model changed to water cooled ! A different feel between the two and that fat rear tire !
both are water cooled this year.
If somebody wants to burn that much money for either, Sportster S is way better and very fun bike, although not very practical for anything. I tried them both. Nightster was complete crap. I can't say one good thing about it other than it being a motorcycle. Pan Am is also great if looking for water cooled Harley.
Except sportster produce 95 nm under 3000 rpm 👍🏻so it will not better launch from idole rpm unless have much shorter first gear 👌🏻 nonless in racing style start sportster achieve 100 km/h much faster 👌🏻its engine in terms of performance = elasticity and max acceleration is muchbetter than nightster 👌🏻lean angle is not results how bike coan fast go into corners : other factor are tire profile width elasticity and center of gravity hight and 2 surprise hear for most car driver ., wider tire at the same lean angle mean you drive in corner slower and 2 lower coff gravity hight also mean you drive in corner slower at the same lean angle cos it work like normal leverage 👌🏻 the higher centrę of gravity hight the biger force is aplied at the same lean angle 👌🏻 try put vertical 1 metres stick from 30 degree angle be grab lowest posiible now try do the same with 2 metres stick be grab ot the same from the same lean angle 😎 2 metre give you much biger resist and you be feel that you must use much biger force to straighten it verticaly 😁 so on bikes lower centrę of gravity hight not necessery mean better for cornering like in car 👍🏻feg suzuki gsxr 1000 have mich higher centrę of gravity hight than h-d vrod 😎 quees which go faster into corner 😜
Harley 883 iron evolution not a fan of the new nightster
neither... i'd take a Softail Slim or a Softail Standard.
It's a mixed bag for me too . Harley Davidson has built enough motorcycles to know who they want to sell these new models too .
I'll be looking for your fallow up articals with seat time on both models before you fall in love with one . We know you will because everybody knows how louse you are when it comes new model time . Me Too . . .
'There Here'
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I think the nightster is way overpriced. The Scout looks better, has more power and bigger tank. (No rider modes alrighty but that is unnecessary on a sub 100hp/nm bike imo. The Sportster S is expensive but laden with electronics, has a class leading engine and a unique appeal with aggressive looks. Same price as the FTR S. Okay I might be biased as I have just bought my Sportster S lol
nightster is perfect. price ok even in Asia. Cheaper downgrades the HD name and every tom,dick and harrry wll ride one. !
Sportster S wins!
Sportster S
Comparing exchange rates looks like Australia gets flogged hard with Harley Tax and considering these bikes are made in Thailand just look at label on the bikes as I've seen it in person.I love the product but seems like we Aussies always get charged a @#$% load more
I'll check my book but I am certain the bikes are made in Milwaukee. Also don't forget the quoted US price is missing about $2,000+ in on road costs. By the time you factor in exchange rate, on road cost and container freight, it is pretty on par with US pricing. Also the US has a weird system where the dealer can name any price they want. I am hearing that the Sportster S is selling closer to $20,000 US through many dealers
I just felt the last year model 883 iron was better for me and the price difference was huge AUD
@@ADSCoachSimonB2112 Yes, but the 883 is not the same as the Sportster S. Shit mate, I ride a Triumph America 865 which is the comparison bike to your 883 that I could have purchased at the same price in 2014. So where is this "Harley tax" people talk of? So I own a similar powered bike that was sold the same year at the same price. know because I bought it that year and considered the 883. In hindsight I would have gone with the Harley, but the purchased price on the day was the same.
I wouldn't Buy ether one at this point they both have to many compromises for that price.
Sportster is miles ahed of nighster, in every way - specially styling.
for two persons; comfort; ez choice on the nightster.
I came to see a sportster ? Hmm didnt see one , i did see some new harleys but where are the sportsters , lets admit it guys , the air cooled days are coming to an end just like the kick start disappeared , you see the more tech they use the more you have to take it to them to fix ,money money money , thats all that matters , im glad im a real biker and not just a bike rider , after 2004 the sportser went crap , the transmission can only be fixed by totally seperating the cases where as my 96 i can just pull the clutch out and trap door allows me to pull the entire tranny ,super easy and motor doesnt have to be pulled completely apart , it works perfect why change it in 2004 , Harleys days are numbered they make more money from clothing then bikes now , what does that say about thier bikes ......over priced and too little too late , they should have been inovating long ago , now there trying to play catch up but not adjusting pricing .
The Sporster S is by far the better buy. The Nightster is way over priced. That bike should be in the $12,000 range. For what it costs it makes no sense to buy that bike over a Sporster S.
every country has its own pricing; nightster just came down $6k usd in asia.
must have forwrad controls and new handlebars; your legs are NOT like in the photo if your 6' . Your knees are higher than your butt; that ruins your back/spine. ; This the sportster must have the use of forward pegs; and then show the salesman that you can't reach the handbars; !!! his solution is to spend 700.00 usd for new handlebars !!! now new $$ for pillion seat/back rest; and pegs !! Those Pass. pegs should be standard !
Indian scout
If it's a Harley, it's overpriced. Your mileage may vary, of course.
Ok so in NEW ZEALAND that makes them both a Rip Off…!!!
Every review says the starter dont have enough power to turn the engine over everytime !
What a shame!
revzilla review.....
The Sportster S does have a quirk where if the engine stops at the approach of a compression stroke then it may pause when you try to restart the bike. But another press on the starter button and the bike fires straight to life. It happened once on the many times I started the bike on my test ride. It's not an issue for me.
@@BikesILike its a fault of the bike!
The scout,….. wait you’re only comparing turds…
That's not nice.
I have a Nightster 975 and I would recommend spending the extra money for the Sportster S. Nightster 975 is trash biggest mistake I've made all year.
Pros:
Tank weight low so bike feels light
That's it
Cons:
Constant motor oil leak
Low power
Uncomfortable riding
Heat from motor burns the ankles even through pants and boots
Way to expensive
Small gas tank
Under seat gas tank
Legs cramp mid controls to short even for a 5'11 person
Cheap riding seat
Expensive parts
Handle bars controls are the worse
I average 130 miles per full tank. Switching between riding modes really takes a toll on mpg. Road mode for street, rain mode on dirt roads, sport mode for freeways.
cons is std items; most items you fix yourself. ; Pro's. good low center of gravity.
need forward controls; then move them !! get a new seat. just every other biker !
That isn't a sporster or a nightster, i ride a 2007 Nightster 1200, they arent nothing like the sportsters. They are barely a Harley.
Is this comparison even legal? Bro sporster S ANY DAY . Y’all are tripping …….
nightster any day; so much more comfy; passengers can enjoy
I don't like the seat how is my girlfriend going to sit on the back and the weard tail light
Fair point!
cant' figure out how to move it !!
@@ed.t.hansen6499 could take it apart and ship
Id prefer the power nightster seating w the S power
15k for that? HDMC is doing everything they can to tank the company. I wouldn't give 5k for it. Actually I don't want either. I'll stick to old harleys