SN95 Owner's Guide #11 - Handling Upgrades Part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ธ.ค. 2018
- In this episode we address the mushy suspension in our 1995 Mustang Coupe #sixxer project car. These mods are affordable and apply to any Fox or SN95 Mustang equipped with a solid axle!
Suspension upgrades are an easy way to improve the daily and track manners of your Mustang, why stick with squishy rubber bits from a 45 year old design? We show you the tricks to a smooth install before you setup the jackstands!
#SN95OwnersGuide is the SN95 specific series you have been waiting for! No BS, just pure tech and experience, Darren & Shawn are here to serve the SN95 community and help you get the most out of your 1994-1998 Mustang!
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Really enjoying these. You might have covered this in an earlier video, but what's the ultimate goal for the car? Maintenance type stuff only? Or is there a long-term performance goal?
Great question! For the #sixxer project we haven't quite outlined the goal, we will try to lay that out properly in a future video, but for now it's our demonstrator test bed for mods and installs we feel are important to share with the SN95 community. It does need a lot of maintenance though, years of neglect are pretty plain! Thanks for watching and commenting, we are really glad to hear your feedback and questions. - Darren
I always like to see Sean lube things up .... that part had me dying 😂 good video I have a 94 cobra waiting on my rear lower/upper and front control arms, stabilizer links, bump steer outer tie rods and urethane isolators for current coil springs.
Thank you guys for your videos !!
I did tubular arms in my sn95 V8 and I didn't have to take the mufflers off. Probably because I cut the up and overs off and made 6-in stingers off the mufflers. Which surprisingly is legal here in California LOL
Definitely found a YT channel I can add to my top 5 to watch/subscribe. Don't really care that I know most of this (not a bad thing on your part, I'm sure you are helping thousands of people), just genuinely enjoy the content and the fact that it revolves around fox based cars.
Thanks for the comment and support! We are really quite keen on Mustangs and launched this series after discovering the formerly common knowledge was being lost to newcomers to the hobby. We are in a way, retracing our old steps to share with the new generation of Mustang owner. Hopefully we will hear more from you in the future! - Darren
Really enjoyed the video.IMO I would weld the torque boxes to handle the new stiffer bushings.
I’m running the same springs. Glad you guys opted for BMR instead of Summit’s house brand control arms. My car came with them, horrible...I mean extremely bad. Going with Steeda’s upper / lower control arms. Had them on my show 94 for 17 years....love them.
100% agree on the Summit Racing control arms, for us it was a matter of best (USA made) parts for the lowest possible cost, this is a beater grade Mustang of course but we aren't particularly interested in being super cheap at the expense of quality. Steeda makes quality pieces, we have also run Hotchkis with good success, and consider Maximum Motorsports the gold standard of Fox/SN95 suspension.Thanks for the tidbit on the the Steeda arms, I always like to hear datapoints with different pieces. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
The sixer being lighter than the gt counter part for obvious reasons they make great cars for a fun time in a road corse I have love for the sizers yeah they sound blah but the protean to be a corner carving beast is where it shines
Good stuff guys, really enjoy your videos and am eagerly awaiting part 2
For years I really hated the SN95s. I ended up with a bmw e36 I was planning on dropping a 5.0L in for shits'n giggles... decided to just look for a cheap 94-04 GT but found a great deal on a 95 Cobra and now I love SN95s :P
You guys are giving me tons to look forward to next year... and much for my wallet to dread lmao
Sn95 ftw! Ive had gsr integras w/jspec swap (11.0c/r) and a bmw 535i and yes bmw outhandles, gsr is hard to beat 8.5k shift point w/skunk2 valvetrain...however, brute force is the way to go. 351w swap this biatch and its over. Suspension mods are a must in the 94-04. One word for suspension/steering is Steeda!
Reply above is to zombieslogic-apologies
I just bought a 95 cobra as well lol
Yes my ‘94 Mustang handles like a 4X4 but here in San Franhellhole, it’s absolutely necessary lol. Pothole laden streets require additional ride height making for a smooth drive lmao. Never mind all the poop, pee, and puke,lol.
How'd you get to drive like that?
SF politicians sunk money into social issues instead of city infrastructure so this city has an extensive number of pot-hole laden streets.
Off road driving on Urban streets yeeha! Stock Mustang suspension approved lol
good info
Nice! I'm also sporting a sixxer this year and will be autocrossing & lapping out at castrol with it. See ya out there
Really enjoyed the video guys. Can't wait for part 2.
Thanks! Part 2 is undergoing editing now... does a Friday posting day raise your interest? - Darren
@@GrandTouringConcepts Friday sounds good. No need to rush though. I know how long editing can take, but I'm really enjoying the content. Keep it up.
@@GrandTouringConcepts and I must say that your SN95 in the intro is a beast. Super clean.
@@RidingtheReaper Thanks! I bought it 15 years ago as a 2nd owner car, and have been steadily tinkering with it ever since. When I got it, the early SN95 wasn't very popular, and no one placed much value on them or treated them well. Nowadays, they are somewhat uncommon, and its nice to have a "time capsule" of a car in good condition.
@@GrandTouringConcepts yeah man I know what you mean. I'm all the way out in Cape Town South Africa and there are about maybe 10 -15 of them in total. I bought mine a year ago and it's my lifelong project now and I couldn't be happier.
nice video guys.
Thanks for the support! We are always glad to hear from the viewers directly! - Darren
I went adjustable uppers and weight jacker lowers billet alluminum lower and bmr uppers, I needed the adjustable due to my lateral axle position being off
All my cars are well sorted but WHY THE HELL IS 94/95 SUPPORT SO EXPENSIVE!!!!!!
now that you guys confirmed the internet never lies..or deceives ..i am devastated to learn the Earth is really flat.....
I love the fact you have a sn95 specific vlog! I am a fan that has had many vehicles including integra gsr and bmw 535. However, brute force is the way to go! Any plans on 351W swap on your channel?? Gt40 heads etc??
We do have a yet unintroduced SN95 in the project that has undergone a GT40P swap, look for it in an upcoming video. A 351W swap is a very popular request, and we do have the resources available to cobble one together but there is a lot involved in the swap that not a lot of people realize. We discuss moving a 351W into this car fairly regularly, but it still hasn't won out at the internal "project meetings" Thanks for your comment and question! - Darren
I moved back to rubber bushings for ride quality for a daily. The car has FORD B springs and Bilsteins and rode rough with polys. Now, it rides nicer with rubber isolators with no maintenance.
Not a bad choice really, rubber bushings do have their benefits. With our '84 GT350 build I will likely stay with rubber bushings, at least in the upper mounts.
In New Zealand, and loving my Eibach sportline kit. Roads are awful here, but my 95 Gt is a grewatccar to drive now.
Glad to hear they are working out for you. We rip on Sportlines, not for ride quality, (they ride well) but for how they negatively impact steering geometry (excessive bumpsteer) and they lack the spring rate for good cornering performance. Even the stiffer Pro-Kit which I run is a bit undersprung on a light track day with a moderate tire. For cruising and appearance, Sportlines work as advertised. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment! -Darren
@@GrandTouringConcepts , I find I have very little bumps steer, not enough vertical movement to upset it.
Ordered them online
That takes forever and effort to drill those bushings out. Instead, I heated up the outside of the bushings evenly (the metal of course) and they popped out like a zit!! Best of all, no damage done by a drill bit. Can be a bit messy if you aren't careful. Just nice when all the rubber comes out tho!
Ohh shit y’all from Canada to, I would like to know what I would need to make my car handle really good and stick in ground gold
6:00 ....here we witness a wild creature in its natural habitat
im looking for a soft lowering spring for sn95s i have HR sport lowering springs and just like the ones in this video i can feel the diameter of the pebbles on the road. i need something better.
Fucking finally fuck sakes found a video that can help with what I’m looking I have a new edge will this be the same way? I have coilovers and I need the rest of what I need to keep her planted cause I’m gonna have 800+hp
Hope you get a new keene bell supercharger for the 5.0's that just dropped
We've got of of the OG Blowzilla/Flowzillas on my 1995 Mustang GTS, check out the video on that in the playlist. Thanks for watching and commenting! -Darren
How did the prothane bushings hold up over time?
They have done well, no noticeable problems, right on par with Energy Suspension in our books. Like any poly bushing, periodic greasing might be required if they begin to squeak. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
Are you installing new dampers as well?
We have fresh OE Spectra (Napa Premium) shocks and struts currently in place, but will be looking at an upgrade if these are hording the car back in summer handling testing. Thanks for the question! - Darren
I dont see anti-sway bars...maybe thats in step two for you guys? I have steeda front and rear. They are a lot stiffer than stock gt's
Sharp eye! For now we are sticking with the stock bars, until we have some time to really assess the dry pavement performance of the current setup. As you may well know the swaybars are one of the easiest ways to tune understeer, oversteer, and neutral so it's very important to get it right. We plan to address swaybars and their selection in an upcoming video, and are glad to hear you like the Steeda pieces, they have been in the Mustang game a long time. Thanks for commenting and following the series! - Darren
"Salvage yard"
American Muscle through in a whole suspension with my last order..I already have a whole Hotchkiss set up and SR 2 INCH linear springs. Eibachs suck compared to the AM SR line.I enjoy a firm car. Im 44 and everyone bitches about ride quality in their vehicles....Baffles me.
Part # for the Ford ball joints?
Our Canadian Ford parts lookup uses different numbers, but the USDM part number should be F8AZ-3050-A. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
@@GrandTouringConcepts Thank you sir, keep the videos coming for the SN95s!
Should've upgraded to Eibach sway bars. That rear bar looks like it's one tight corner from snapping in two.
Its a logical idea to upgrade sways as well, but the actual selection process is not quite that linear. Sway bars must be specially selected to match a desired handling dynamic and every car/driver is different. This because in a corner swaybars act as a spring which leverage the unloaded side spring to add more spring rate to the loaded side. What this means is going to the the wrong sway bar might result in heavy understeer or oversteer. Sways must be integrated into the suspension as a tuning aspect of the suspension system, and are the easiest way to dial in oversteer, understeer, or neutral cornering behaviours. The off shelf brands are great parts but should not just be installed blindly based on "additional stiffness" alone, weight transfer is an important factor to tire grip, but being too stiff can result in a car that does turn and just scrubs out. They will behave differently based on vehicle weight, tire grip etc. For the #sixxer we have to baseline how it runs as is first, then decide what bars need to be installed. Typically we settle on a "mismatched" set of bars in our final setups, but the sixxer will be another animal yet. Thanks for watching and the comment! - Darren
@@GrandTouringConcepts Thanks for the info! What bars would you recommend? I'm planning to build my '00 sixxer into an autocross/road course performer and was planning to go with the Eibach sway kit. But if you think it needs something else...
Other suspension components will be:
FRPP springs same as here
Tokico blues struts/shocks
MM Caster/Camber plates
MM Strut tower brace
Steeda shock tower brace
MM rear lower control arms
Does this work with 96 cobra convertible
These same parts and mods would apply to a 1996 Cobra, you might choose different springs depending on what your goals are. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
Don’t they make a took that pops them out? :s
They do, Maximum Motorsports makes them, and we have it, but it pushes the metal shells out as well. We need those OE shells to stay put so we could seat the poly bushings in place without pressing in new shells. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
V8 swap 302?
For this car it's a bit of an undertaking to do properly, and it's a very rough chassis, we are shopping our local area for another V8 car to work with. Once summer comes we have several 5.0L cars already in the project to feature and discuss. Thanks for watching and commenting! - Darren
Dude..Why did u pick up a 6 for build? Only thing worth anything on that car is the tailights..
This car was literally FREE, ran and drove, so we tinkered with it. It was a good mule because the other SN95's affliated with the project have already had their suspension work completed. Thanks for watching and commenting. - Darren
@@GrandTouringConcepts Hey Darren.I didnt .mean to sound disrespectful or rude..You guys are legit good dudes and only want to help out SN95 owners.Not everyone I guess has a 5 litre nor has the knowledge that some of us do regarding cars in general. It's just hard to watch all these good parts going on a free rusted 6 banger.I get the fact it was free but 5.0s are out there..I found one of mine passing a open garage of what turned out to be a 78 year old mans home and he had a MINT COMPLETELY STOCK Vibrant Red 48,000 mile 94 5 speed convertible WITH the interior upgrade which has a black top and interior...I paid $500 U.S. It had only been driven 2 blocks a month for the last 16 years so sure it had a# of quirks such as bad rubber in the Harmonic balancer and a trashed radiator so I had the whole front of the motor updated with a Aluminum 3 row,high flow water pump,double roller heavy duty jackson chain,msd ignition and box,timing chain cover,a custom comp cam,Real GT40 PORTED UPPER /LOWER with aluminum Air Flow Research flowed and swirled heads,,ARP head studs...actually ARP everything,Vortech air to air S-Trim Ive used on 3 cars which was rebuilt and upgraded with a better impeller that will now push over 20psi but I havent gone over 16.Headman longtubes,catless xpipe & Dynomax 6.5 inch X 3 mini race bullets,4.10 gears with a Tremec TKO 600,billet Flywheel?billet distributor,50lb injectors with new rails,Hotchkiss everything except springs which are 2 inch linear SR from AM Street set up for tires/rims are black/machined lip 17x10.5 FR500s wrapped with M/T street comp 315/35/17s in rear and 17x9 275/40s up front,6 point cage.Im making 701to 714 could be more..ya know..Trq is pretty high as well.. to the rear and the HP only varied because of heat soak..Crank,bolts and caps have been done as well..Im 44 now and Ive been wrenching on 5litres for almost 30 years,I can build one in the dark ...even a 351W..If you want the cam duration,head CC,,Fuel pump lph, PSI,clutch,or any exact specs just ask me.I run the friday night drags and im in 2nd with 3 races left so I dont know who reads this.I won the Championship last year and everyone bitches that Im cheating when I win..funny how only the losers accuse. Lol The car is a freak.It put down well over factory #s stock....and we cant figure out what is different but it was the strongest running stock 5.0 i have driven and I have 9 but actually 11 others all Fox Coupes,SN95s and 2 New Edge models.one is my #023 99 Saleen S351 S/C and a 03 Cobra Terminator.I am the original owner of everyone of them except the 94vert...I also have a Strange built rear end with a girdle in the 94.my 1st car was my 91 White/rare black leather interior 5 speed Coupe I picked up on my 16th Bday and I still have it in like new condition.All are manuals..never owned anything auto or front wheel drive..I wont own one.I heard you say you have a 2nd gen Lightning. Thats Very cool !!! I have a white 94 351W with enough mods to notice but my buddy has a red 2nd gen putting down over 1200hp and we cant get anyone that can build a trans to hold it.Its been on tons of magazines.Anyway.Sorry for rambling man.You deserve way more subs man.You keep on grindin and it will pay off BTW I do have a black GTS I ordered new as well. You guys take care.You have a 44 year old dude that knows every damn nut and bolt on these cars watchn ya so youre doing something right!! Two thumbs up man..Colin