I know right... I hope I can get my 2019 zx6r tuned by this guy some day... I'm sure it won't be cheap by any means but at least it will be worth it and I will have peace of mind that everything is being done the most professional way possible.
Your attention to detail is second to none you look at things where most other guys wouldn't even think of and that's what sets you apart from the competition. You show such passion in your work
I love bikes but just by seeing what you’re doing and accomplishing with this project makes me love them even more. As soon as winter start to go here in NYC I’ll buy my gixxer 1000 and get all the supplies from you. Brock you rock
After watching this video I feel like NASA should be banging down my door BEGGING ME to tune their "whatever it's" latest and greatest propulsion system to go to Mars. 😂 Awesome work, Mr. Brock ! I know these eat a lot of your time but you better believe it when I say it does a lot for credibility and showing your work ethics.
Ive been telling motorcycle riders for years that have carb/fuel problems to only get gas from separate hose pumps. Some told me i was wasting my time, as they have to clean carbs every spring.
You must tune a zx10 next, try to do a comparison vid, between bazzaz and pc5..also swap the wheels and sprockets( light weight) to see how much hp you'll gain
So Fly and pretty Gain horsepower for swapping wheels and sprockets? You wouldn't gain any HP. You would be lighter and have have a different gear ratio.
which one do you think works better for adjusting timing and fuel ratios ? bazazz or power comander ? and i think the engine should be maped to run at coolest temperature possible like 219 something isnt right there i dont care if the green box is green and not red either timing or and fuel mix is not correct bike should be able to run for miles and not over heat and heat causes detonation and we know what that does to pistons crushes ring lands so rings are stuck no seal like that even worse breaking pistons melting holes no good outcome there i like wiesco pistons they are built right strong they been doing this since i was a baby and thats a hella long time ago!.... im 62
Excellent videos. Just cant get enough of it. Wish i could work for or with you guys. Im no racer or tuner. But its soooo darn interesting what you guys are doing and you explaining hows and the why's. Respect.
A little late we are but thank you Brock sir! This video is very helpful to us as we have just purchased are New Dyno from Dynojet we’re taking notes 📝 thank you greatly 👍🏽
As successful as you are in what you do, it amazes me how you can just share such valuable knowledge to the world in real time. I've learned so much from these videos. This is racers paradise for the race biker world..🤘👍👌
Thanks @Wildman 8964 -I believe that a lack of knowledge can lead to confusion and frustration that can take away from the motorcycling experience. We have always tried to provide detailed information, in addition to quality products. This process is even integrated into our company mission statement: www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp-plain.aspx?articleid=49&zoneid=7
@Brock - HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you and yours! I have a vision, yes, in the near future, my income tax check and those 191hp goodies most assuredly getting acquainted. BTW, saw a 2014 video of Ricky Gadson on his HR2 with Brock's Carbon Fiber Wheels.
LOVE the vids! KEEP THEM COMING!!! As a rider that just hit his 1st year it’s hard to find videos (except 650ib which are awesome) that are informative & allow people to grow there knowledge. Much love.
@Enrique - We will continue to create these videos as long as people are viewing/subscribing. Glad you appreciate them, especially as a first-year rider. We believe that education, combined with an understanding of what is happening when you make a change or add a new product to your bike, makes the entire riding experience more enjoyable.
Excellent video Brock.. you are a smart man. Your business is going to explode if it hasn't started to already. I'm just bummed you can't talk to us CA boys.
I love this channel and these videos you've been producing has been very enjoyable, It's certainly given me confidence when choosing aftermarket brands and tuning, Brocks performance all the way.
@brock Davidson: Man i love this:" Have a look into my tuning" kitchen. This is the kind of (from the lack of a more fitting word) "autistic" level of detail that i One of the main things in my day to day job in the IT business is, being consistent. It shows that people can expect the same level of in and output every day, all year. I can see from your level of ease in how you explain engine tuning, base mapping, even randomly explaining what the secondary injectors functions are, that you are married to your job. This is just pure love, verbally transmitted thru a video. I take my hat off to you Sir. Solid as a rock, from stock to Brock. p.s.: I was contemplating about getting my own FTEcu Benchkit. You convinced me into getting with this video, because it just make sense. Even using the same/proven map, depending where you life there will be differences in ambient temperatures, above and below sea levels and humidity. Having a well rounded custom tuned map, can always be perfected on each owner's bike. I live in the Netherland so, our weather here is everything but consistent. Anyway, keep up the good work and i look forward to your next video! p.p.s.: Sorry about the long post
Really Great!!! Thank you Brock, I am ever greatful for you way of explaining this, so I can understand and from there gain knowledge, I am a type who loves to learn especially what I find interesting in the first place!!! Thank You again!!! :) Wish I had something as valuable to give you. I do pass on your series meaning I tell people to watch, whether they are Motorcycle people or just ones like me who like knowledge. :)
Great video thank you for your dedication and hard work to this sport and helping riders and racers understand more about what goes into this subject matter.
Great video Brock, thanks! This entire series has been awesome and I've thoroughly enjoyed learning about your process. I predict 201.7 hp in your next vid. Best,
Nitrogen is mostly inert. The inert gases are group 18 on the periodic table. Nitrogen is not a member of group 18. Nitrogen is inert to about 75% of known elements/compounds. Nitrogen reacts with water which is why it isn't classified an inert element.
I have a 2017 gsxr 1000r and I bought the full predator exhaust, ecu flash, power commander with street mapping, and sprint filter all from Brock.. Today my bike dynoed 181.7 wheel horse power on pump gas. I was hoping to see somewhere in the 190’s but I guess every dyno and bike is different. I did feel a bit let down even tho 181.7 is plenty of power.
@disarmyou84, we have reports as low as in the 160's and as high as in the 220's. Different brands can vary wildly as well as different versions/models of the same brand. Did your dyno operator think 181 was good for his dyno for your set-up? The operator typically knows if their dyno is 'stingy'.
Brock Davidson i spoke to Steve over there this morning and he cleared it up for me. A lot of factors come into play when it comes to dyno numbers and I did not know that. The guy who dynoed my bike was still impressed with the 181.7
Sco zar yeah man, the 750 is great...awesome balance of weight & power! That's why I wish Brock supported an ECU flash, and a Predator exhaust for them. I like the predator look better than the Alien Head...
D.FRESH. 750 - we do offer a flash for many 750's, they are just not in our current store as we are updating our entire site/store etc. Please e-mail me at bmail@brocksperformance.com with your make/model/year etc.
Hi Brock, Another great episode as usual :). I guess the next stage is to tweak the ignition timing (which is something you didn't address in this video), so for sure you will be able to extract a few more gee-gees to break that magic 200bhp. Will be interesting to me to see how you will listen for det, as I don't know if this particular bike has a built in knock sensor or if you hook up a copper tube and some cans to do it old school :)? I can't wait for the next video. In the meantime, I would just like to compliment you not only on your total transparency - almost unique in the industry (and I only say "almost" to cover myself ;) ), but also the methodical approach and attention to detail for absolute consistency - it is a complete pleasure to watch. I appreciate you're busy (especially considering that anyone with half a brain and one of these bikes will want your tuning kit), but keep the videos coming, they are both entertaining and fascinating in equal amounts. Cheers Mike (from across the pond)
Amaizing series!! So detailed description of such important things! Very interesting because I made Fuel injection on my oilcooled 1100 gsxr and as a base used all wiring and ECU from 1k k7 gsxr. Interesting to know what AFR is the best for a oilcooled engine for a proper tune?
Hi I just happen to drop in on these channels and let me tell you I AM GLUED !!!! Fantastic info and to watch . Don't ever stop ! Best job ever . What do you have for my Victory ?
Brock, great vid. Is the wideband labeled 13.25 in the video calibrated to lambda 1.0 @ 13.25 AFR? Do you use this sensor for pump and MR12 since they have different Stoich values (13.1 to 14.7 for non-ethanol) and if so what target AFR for each fuel since a 13.2 with MR12 on the software would be dead on accurate but a 13.2 on the software with pump gas (non-E) would be 14.7.
@Mike, the sensors are not 'calibrated' - any calibration would occur in the ECU (for emissions tuning only) or in our tuning program. That sensor had been checked with our test gas and previously measured 13.25. Over time, and especially when using leaded fuel, the readings will change. It's not a problem, it's just something we must compensate for in our target settings. Performance tuning targets are typically 12.8 - 13.2 (up to 13.6 on some machines) to 1 for gasoline. 14.7 is far too lean to make proper power...but it works well for increased fuel mileage and decreased emissions readings. We use Innovate products for dynamic (non-dyno) readings - this article explains why Stoich is great in theory, but in practice...it's not where you want to be for optimum performance: www.hotrod.com/articles/innovate-air-fuel-ratio-meter/
Hey Brocks ! When you remap the ECU, does it affect A, B and C mode or only one of them you chose ? Thx. You’re doing a fantastic job, sharing your experience.
Hey Brock I'm loving the vids. Just wondering, you mention 93 pump gas. In Australia we have 98 readily available. Have you sold many units down here? Have you got any feed back from guys running 98?
Great work and info as usual. Once you have a map created, do you recommend leaving the stock 02 sensor on the bike or removing and plugging it? You will definitely get over 200hp with the sprint air filter. I say, final hp numbers with sprint filter and tuning 204.26hp. Could you compare both the P16 sprint race filter and the new sprint P08 F1-85 race filter with the mr12 gas.Im curious to see if there is a air/fuel ratio difference between the 2 and if the P08 F1-85 gives a one or 2 point leaner condition over the P16? I was out having dinner when you new video notification popped up. Dinner was great but I suddenly was full and to tired to drive home so I can be the passenger and watch your video lol!!! I know, I have it bad lol. Needless to say, once Ii get home I'll finish my meal and watch your video again. I can't wait until part 3.
@apexhunter2k - yes, I have been addicted to bikes my entire life ;) No O2 sensor in this bike. We covered this question here: th-cam.com/video/uuwPdWOSGRA/w-d-xo.html
you should make a map thats relative to temperature and tune it to were it runs the coolest temp in all rpms forget the fuel mixture you think is correct and ignition timing use the pair of them to achieve the coolest temp there is were you will find your majic horse power readings and torque try it bet im right!
Brock obviously mr12 works the best but What is the best alternative from vp race fuels that is a unleaded fuel and that won't need to much of a afr adjustment. Say one that you will be able to make a map using auto tune if you have no access to a dyno. What's your opinion on vp mr pro6 Thanks
@Jock, I really can't answer that question. We use MR12 in stock engines and MRX02 in high compression engines. We have not tested any fuel that produces reasonable power gains- worth the additional cost involved (to us) except these two. They are also readily available in our area, which is very valuable since we can't win with what we can't get. I checked out the mr pro6 specs, it's 2 points higher octane than MR12 - so that's a negative for us.
Hey Brock, Firstly huuuuuuggggeeeee fan. Thanks for the amazing videos. Exhaust tuning is sooo complex. Could you tell a bit more about fuel efficiency with the custom map. Because a smoother running bike should actually give more miles . But people tend to think the opposite. Also plz plz plz a video on bazzaz v/s PC auto tune
@sandyroadking - Glad you like our vids - you are correct that a smoother/more powerful bike producing higher fuel mileage. Some bikes will see a sizable increase in fuel mileage. Where we find this typically go unnoticed, or with riders who loose mileage is typically a result of rider style. We add more fuel to create more power, almost everywhere in the map. If the rider is aggressive/has a "heavy hand" the mileage will suffer, (of course). Our Street Maps do a good job of providing the best of both worlds,
Hey Brock question , what will win in a race 2017 zx10r full bolt vs the gsxr 1000 2017 full bolt ons . What are your thoughts for top speed and overall power and performance?
We can't answer that question just yet, as the products to do an apples to apples comparison do not yet exist. That said, the new gixxer is looking very strong at this point.
Told yall that bike was gonna make 200hp. Amazing vid brock. You tune the top end for `12.3 instead of 12.6 and you'll make 203hp Are you going to advance the timing at all?
I'm sure it's matter of opinion but do you think is the better of the 2... the 17-21 gsxr 1000 or the 19-current zx10r? It'd be for street riding/cruising/roll racing.. also I watched your videos on the gsxr s2b is it possible to break the 200 hp mark On the gsxr without going to race fuel or, is the most you'll see is the 191-193 mark? Will a aftermarket filter help get closer to there? I seen the kaw got to 209 hp. Thanks and happy new year!
They are both really good bikes. The ZX-10R has a slight top speed advantage. Neither will make 200 on pump...at least not on our dyno. The 2020 s1000rr will.
Question: how do you know if 13.2 is where the bike makes more power? Is true that there is not a magic af ratio number and some engines at some rpm makes more power at different ratios? (always around safe numbers...)
Brock, is it possible to use the PC interface / software independently on another type of Dyno, rather than dynoJet? I mean, is this solution of 'automatic tune' a self standing product that can be used on any other manufacturer dyno, if connected to the O2 sensor of course?
Not that we are aware of. Of course, you can autotune on any dyno - where dynojet has the upper hand, IMO is the integration and ability to automatically adjust load to match TPS and engine RPM...and simultaneously correct the AFR. The model 250I is the best I have ever used.
It's almost impossible to KNOW your "no ethanol" fuel is actually lacking ethanol these days. This article touches on it a bit: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/
@@BrockDavidson First thanks for taking time to answer.I ask because I see more and more station actually offer 88 labeled no ethanol in the US.At least from May to Oct and it is widely available in EU and other places.Also Ethanol can be taken out by simply mixing with water and it separates from gas while taking ethanol out.Sure the octane will drop like 3 but if you get 93 and take the ethanol out you get 89-90.I think it would worth a try at least how does it do power wise.Thanks
We do not. Our Brock's Performance Exhaust line is primarily focused at 1000cc and above sportbikes. We offer Termignoni for a wide variety of machines: brocksperformance.com/exhausts/termignoni/kawasaki/er-6n/
question you have the stock air filter in or after market and if it is stock how much of a difference is it going to make to that map with an after market air filter
Very interesting) Brock, could you tell me a bit more about acceleration graph? I understand that it measures time from start to peak power, but what is start point? Is it the same all runs? Is it machine controlled or you just try to launch from the same speed? Thank you!
Time (s) scale. Left click(hold) in an area in the low revs that is stable (4-5K) drag the box to the right to an area before the peak limiter disrupts the runs.
Brock I live in Australia where we have 91,95 and 98 octane fuel.I'm purchasing a 2019 Gsx s750 which as stock has 114 bhp..The Yoshi Alpha t adds 2 bhp and 2 torque,, also will an aftermarket air cleaner like KnN with the (say 95 fuel) bring my Bhp to 120 ? Cheers..
@Paul, please read this ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating )to see why your Octane rating is typically displayed 4-6 pts. higher than ours. For the highest performance gain, please see our selection of Sprint Filters for your bike: brocksperformance.com/air-filters/
I have a '14 CBR600RR. I want to dyno tune it with a PCV. To prepare for this I plugged the pair from inside the air box. But I still get exhaust popping (I thought that would be gone after plugging it). So I think there is an exhaust leak. I'm going to check the connections around the de-cat that's on it. But can the exhaust popping throw off the dyno tune readings enough to cause problems? How do I deal with my situation?
@Matt, exhaust popping under deceleration does not affect dyno tuning as it is performed under acceleration. Even with the pair blocked, the addition of a short/free flow muffler can create popping - it happens in the stock muffler also, but it is designed to prevent you from hearing the pop. Exhaust leaks can also cause popping, as well as a lean fuel mixture.
I have a gen one busa with your alien head two full exhaust, pc5 and sprint filter. Is there a need to flash the stock ecu? I always run Sunoco 93. The pc5 have the street map on it.
There is no need to flash your ECU. But, you are wasting $ and leaving horsepower on the table by running 93 in your tank vs. 87 (89 for newer/higher compression machines): Check out this FAQ: www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=392
You should try to install an MWR airfilter then you Will get the last HP without eny more mapping :-) that works for me evry time, but a question, i have this bike but life in Denmark an we have V-power gasoline octane 99 is that better then the American gasoline or What?
We have performed comprehensive testing of the filter you mention... we sell and distribute Sprint Filter and DNA Filters as a result of our testing. Here is info. on higher Octane: www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=392
I watched one of you vids from a few years back, a BMW that had some issues on the dyno. You put back the stock air filter, do you run stock filters in your bikes? I want to flash my ecu and tune my Gsxr 1000 k5. I was going to put in a bmc filter, what are your thoughts?
@Irshad Parak - Hello, please contact sales@brocksperformance.com or call 937-912-0054 for details on your filter question. In a nutshell: until we tested a Sprint Filter in the S1000RR, we had never found ANY aftermarket air filter that worked better than the stock filter for that bike. Remember, just because it's for sale... doesn't mean it actually works better. As far as a flash, yes - we do offer it for your K5, please contact dynoroom@brocksperformance.com for additional details.
It depends on the bike - many times the ignition timing is PERFECT. The engineers who created the bike make sure of this. FYI: This bike has stock ignition timing.
Brock Davidson yeah, the new gsxr timing is pretty smooth, no dips. But? When you put on a full exhaust. You can get away with advancing the timing another degree or two fairly safely. Should easily put you over 200hp. Especially with mr12 being more knock resistant
I ♥️♥️♥️ SAVAGE MODE!!! Excellent video!!!!
Brock is legend now.
Try to install a MWR airfilter Brock, the have an effekt on the power witout mapping eny more than you allready did
Bud Brock i am a houge fan of What you are doing online, you explain it, so evry Body understands it :-)
This channel is literally paradise for people that love racing motorcycles.....please don’t ever stop making these videos. Huge thank you!!!!!
Calibration gas, nitrogen in tyres... Bloody hell that's what I call proper dyno work 😎😎
I know right... I hope I can get my 2019 zx6r tuned by this guy some day... I'm sure it won't be cheap by any means but at least it will be worth it and I will have peace of mind that everything is being done the most professional way possible.
Your attention to detail is second to none you look at things where most other guys wouldn't even think of and that's what sets you apart from the competition. You show such passion in your work
I love bikes but just by seeing what you’re doing and accomplishing with this project makes me love them even more. As soon as winter start to go here in NYC I’ll buy my gixxer 1000 and get all the supplies from you. Brock you rock
Never seen mapping being done real time before... wow thanks Brock!
Brocks is probably in the top 3% of companies that do this type of work. They are so thorough and top notch professionalism.
Who are the other 2?
Cant tell you how much ive learned watching this series...so informative...thanks Brock!
Excellent Mr. Brock,
I got my alien head installed on my hayabusa this year. Along with many other mods. You are the best in the business. PERIOD
These are easily the best videos on TH-cam. Even better than those by Tasty.
Brock Davidson my favorite mad scientist, you truly do have the best job in the world, keep it up my friend.
After watching this video I feel like NASA should be banging down my door BEGGING ME to tune their "whatever it's" latest and greatest propulsion system to go to Mars. 😂
Awesome work, Mr. Brock ! I know these eat a lot of your time but you better believe it when I say it does a lot for credibility and showing your work ethics.
I'm a little late to the party Brock, but excellent video for tech nerd racers that believe there is only one way to do things. The right way.
Ive been telling motorcycle riders for years that have carb/fuel problems to only get gas from separate hose pumps. Some told me i was wasting my time, as they have to clean carbs every spring.
I watched the entire video from beginning to end and was blown away. Great info Brock!
Thanks!
This is an absolutely incredible series, Brock. Good lord.
I used to ALWAYS wonder what went into a dyno tune, this is very illuminating.
@opmike343, glad you like it.
This is the kind of stuff that sells your products. Awesome.
You must tune a zx10 next, try to do a comparison vid, between bazzaz and pc5..also swap the wheels and sprockets( light weight) to see how much hp you'll gain
So Fly and pretty Gain horsepower for swapping wheels and sprockets? You wouldn't gain any HP. You would be lighter and have have a different gear ratio.
which one do you think works better for adjusting timing and fuel ratios ? bazazz or power comander ? and i think the engine should be maped to run at coolest temperature possible like 219 something isnt right there i dont care if the green box is green and not red either timing or and fuel mix is not correct bike should be able to run for miles and not over heat and heat causes detonation and we know what that does to pistons crushes ring lands so rings are stuck no seal like that even worse breaking pistons melting holes no good outcome there i like wiesco pistons they are built right strong they been doing this since i was a baby and thats a hella long time ago!.... im 62
I re-watch your vids over n over. So much info you can never digest it all in one sitting lol.
I️ think 200 is going to be a breeze. Definitely talk more about ecu flashing in combination with fuel tuning systems.
Excellent videos. Just cant get enough of it. Wish i could work for or with you guys. Im no racer or tuner. But its soooo darn interesting what you guys are doing and you explaining hows and the why's. Respect.
Great video very informative so happy the new gsxr is a 200whp plus bike finally back in the game 👍👍
my heart is broken at 41:47, It is a beautiful exhaust system
Hai dang Nguyen Phuoc wow I didn’t know if you click the time stamp it takes you right to it wow 🤩
A little late we are but thank you Brock sir! This video is very helpful to us as we have just purchased are New Dyno from Dynojet we’re taking notes 📝 thank you greatly 👍🏽
add a Brock's decal and you're sure to get over 200HP. great video series
848 EVO It’s all about sticker placement.
lol
Wow 1994 that’s amazing I miss the 90s & early 2000s some of the best times life was just simple
As successful as you are in what you do, it amazes me how you can just share such valuable knowledge to the world in real time. I've learned so much from these videos. This is racers paradise for the race biker world..🤘👍👌
Thanks @Wildman 8964 -I believe that a lack of knowledge can lead to confusion and frustration that can take away from the motorcycling experience. We have always tried to provide detailed information, in addition to quality products. This process is even integrated into our company mission statement: www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp-plain.aspx?articleid=49&zoneid=7
Brock Davidson Very much true & agree my friend..🤘👍
@Brock - HAPPY THANKSGIVING to you and yours! I have a vision, yes, in the near future, my income tax check and those 191hp goodies most assuredly getting acquainted. BTW, saw a 2014 video of Ricky Gadson on his HR2 with Brock's Carbon Fiber Wheels.
LOVE the vids! KEEP THEM COMING!!! As a rider that just hit his 1st year it’s hard to find videos (except 650ib which are awesome) that are informative & allow people to grow there knowledge. Much love.
@Enrique - We will continue to create these videos as long as people are viewing/subscribing. Glad you appreciate them, especially as a first-year rider. We believe that education, combined with an understanding of what is happening when you make a change or add a new product to your bike, makes the entire riding experience more enjoyable.
I love your OCD to detail! My kinda tuning. Top man!
@950 Boy. I mentioned in a previous vid " the Devil is in the details"... it's TRUE! OCD has won us a bunch of races and championships :)
Excellent video Brock.. you are a smart man. Your business is going to explode if it hasn't started to already. I'm just bummed you can't talk to us CA boys.
If only Brock Davidson taught Algebra...i would have been someone in this world.
I love this channel and these videos you've been producing has been very enjoyable, It's certainly given me confidence when choosing aftermarket brands and tuning, Brocks performance all the way.
Great Videos Brock! Thank you for taking the time to make them!
@brock Davidson: Man i love this:" Have a look into my tuning" kitchen.
This is the kind of (from the lack of a more fitting word) "autistic" level of detail that i
One of the main things in my day to day job in the IT business is, being consistent.
It shows that people can expect the same level of in and output every day, all year.
I can see from your level of ease in how you explain engine tuning, base mapping, even randomly explaining what the secondary injectors functions are, that you are married to your job. This is just pure love, verbally transmitted thru a video.
I take my hat off to you Sir.
Solid as a rock, from stock to Brock.
p.s.:
I was contemplating about getting my own FTEcu Benchkit.
You convinced me into getting with this video, because it just make sense.
Even using the same/proven map, depending where you life there will be differences in ambient temperatures, above and below sea levels and humidity.
Having a well rounded custom tuned map, can always be perfected on each owner's bike.
I live in the Netherland so, our weather here is everything but consistent.
Anyway, keep up the good work and i look forward to your next video!
p.p.s.:
Sorry about the long post
Without a doubt you will get 203 to 205 horsepower with no problem....
Really Great!!! Thank you Brock, I am ever greatful for you way of explaining this, so I can understand and from there gain knowledge, I am a type who loves to learn especially what I find interesting in the first place!!! Thank You again!!! :) Wish I had something as valuable to give you. I do pass on your series meaning I tell people to watch, whether they are Motorcycle people or just ones like me who like knowledge. :)
@liveatvictoria Comments like this make our day :) glad you are enjoying the series.
Great video thank you for your dedication and hard work to this sport and helping riders and racers understand more about what goes into this subject matter.
GREAT job.
I say U will get 204 hp.
Congrats again.
Great video Brock, thanks! This entire series has been awesome and I've thoroughly enjoyed learning about your process. I predict 201.7 hp in your next vid. Best,
Nitrogen is mostly inert. The inert gases are group 18 on the periodic table. Nitrogen is not a member of group 18. Nitrogen is inert to about 75% of known elements/compounds. Nitrogen reacts with water which is why it isn't classified an inert element.
Here's some info. for you: bit.ly/3VyhRzq and this one is good also: bit.ly/3LXh1cw
Brock you are the man!!!
Suzuki back in top👌
Love these videos 200+ coming soon can't wait!
Mr. Brock, don't forget to turn on AFR pump next time :)
THANK YOU BROCK, Love this Videos from you!!!
keep up the excellent work!!
I have a 2017 gsxr 1000r and I bought the full predator exhaust, ecu flash, power commander with street mapping, and sprint filter all from Brock.. Today my bike dynoed 181.7 wheel horse power on pump gas. I was hoping to see somewhere in the 190’s but I guess every dyno and bike is different. I did feel a bit let down even tho 181.7 is plenty of power.
@disarmyou84, we have reports as low as in the 160's and as high as in the 220's. Different brands can vary wildly as well as different versions/models of the same brand. Did your dyno operator think 181 was good for his dyno for your set-up? The operator typically knows if their dyno is 'stingy'.
Brock Davidson yes he thought 181 was still great power for a mail in set up. He also said the charts looked almost perfect and that you great job.
Brock Davidson i spoke to Steve over there this morning and he cleared it up for me. A lot of factors come into play when it comes to dyno numbers and I did not know that. The guy who dynoed my bike was still impressed with the 181.7
I definitely say 200+ HP is coming for this bike...love it! You don't do ECU flashes for the 750 though??
I was curious about that too. not that I own a 750 anymore, but may one day own another. love the 750.
Sco zar yeah man, the 750 is great...awesome balance of weight & power! That's why I wish Brock supported an ECU flash, and a Predator exhaust for them. I like the predator look better than the Alien Head...
sometimes, I really wish I had a dyno and the knowledge. I would mess with the 750s ALL DAY!!!! and of course my Hulk!
D.FRESH. 750 - we do offer a flash for many 750's, they are just not in our current store as we are updating our entire site/store etc. Please e-mail me at bmail@brocksperformance.com with your make/model/year etc.
Hi Brock,
Another great episode as usual :). I guess the next stage is to tweak the ignition timing (which is something you didn't address in this video), so for sure you will be able to extract a few more gee-gees to break that magic 200bhp. Will be interesting to me to see how you will listen for det, as I don't know if this particular bike has a built in knock sensor or if you hook up a copper tube and some cans to do it old school :)?
I can't wait for the next video.
In the meantime, I would just like to compliment you not only on your total transparency - almost unique in the industry (and I only say "almost" to cover myself ;) ), but also the methodical approach and attention to detail for absolute consistency - it is a complete pleasure to watch.
I appreciate you're busy (especially considering that anyone with half a brain and one of these bikes will want your tuning kit), but keep the videos coming, they are both entertaining and fascinating in equal amounts.
Cheers
Mike (from across the pond)
That exhaust would look good on a z900rs
once again a great informative video! Thank you brock!
Amaizing series!! So detailed description of such important things! Very interesting because I made Fuel injection on my oilcooled 1100 gsxr and as a base used all wiring and ECU from 1k k7 gsxr. Interesting to know what AFR is the best for a oilcooled engine for a proper tune?
We would tune our oil-cooled to 12.6-12.8 to 1...not sure if it would tune the same when injected? Just have to dyno it and find out.
Brock one question why not 93 octane pump fuel what is the difference between 89 and 93 Besides the obvious the octane rating
@Robert, check out this FAQ: www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=392
Hi I just happen to drop in on these channels and let me tell you
I AM GLUED !!!!
Fantastic info and to watch . Don't ever stop !
Best job ever .
What do you have for my Victory ?
"We like going as fast as possible" - Yup
He is like surgeon of sbk
Thats assuming Confusious's watches dont read both the same...
6488ott I guess he could have a couple atomic clocks ;)
Loving these videos man! keep them coming! very informative and eye opening! following you from Sydney Australia!
Thanks!
you have a new sub came here because of 650ib love your passion would buy your product because of it keep it up.
@joey bello - hello, welcome and thanks for the kind words. 650ib is a great guy and does fantastic work.
Brock ..you're the best.. ;)
Brock, great vid. Is the wideband labeled 13.25 in the video calibrated to lambda 1.0 @ 13.25 AFR? Do you use this sensor for pump and MR12 since they have different Stoich values (13.1 to 14.7 for non-ethanol) and if so what target AFR for each fuel since a 13.2 with MR12 on the software would be dead on accurate but a 13.2 on the software with pump gas (non-E) would be 14.7.
@Mike, the sensors are not 'calibrated' - any calibration would occur in the ECU (for emissions tuning only) or in our tuning program. That sensor had been checked with our test gas and previously measured 13.25. Over time, and especially when using leaded fuel, the readings will change. It's not a problem, it's just something we must compensate for in our target settings. Performance tuning targets are typically 12.8 - 13.2 (up to 13.6 on some machines) to 1 for gasoline. 14.7 is far too lean to make proper power...but it works well for increased fuel mileage and decreased emissions readings. We use Innovate products for dynamic (non-dyno) readings - this article explains why Stoich is great in theory, but in practice...it's not where you want to be for optimum performance: www.hotrod.com/articles/innovate-air-fuel-ratio-meter/
You will hit 201-202 i can feel it
Hey Brocks ! When you remap the ECU, does it affect A, B and C mode or only one of them you chose ? Thx. You’re doing a fantastic job, sharing your experience.
That depends on the bike, but usually we concentrate on the max power mode and leave the lower power modes alone.
@@BrockDavidson , Thanks ;-)
Hey Brock I'm loving the vids. Just wondering, you mention 93 pump gas. In Australia we have 98 readily available. Have you sold many units down here? Have you got any feed back from guys running 98?
Brock...I don't suppose you want to sponsor that full system to little old me ???
blog.brocksperformance.com/racer-support-sponsorship-application/
I love your knowledge!!!
Great work and info as usual. Once you have a map created, do you recommend leaving the stock 02 sensor on the bike or removing and plugging it? You will definitely get over 200hp with the sprint air filter. I say, final hp numbers with sprint filter and tuning 204.26hp. Could you compare both the P16 sprint race filter and the new sprint P08 F1-85 race filter with the mr12 gas.Im curious to see if there is a air/fuel ratio difference between the 2 and if the P08 F1-85 gives a one or 2 point leaner condition over the P16? I was out having dinner when you new video notification popped up. Dinner was great but I suddenly was full and to tired to drive home so I can be the passenger and watch your video lol!!! I know, I have it bad lol. Needless to say, once Ii get home I'll finish my meal and watch your video again. I can't wait until part 3.
i removed my 02 sensor.. pair removed... no problems... it got turned off in the tune..
@apexhunter2k - yes, I have been addicted to bikes my entire life ;) No O2 sensor in this bike. We covered this question here: th-cam.com/video/uuwPdWOSGRA/w-d-xo.html
Brock Davidson rewatched again. OK thanks
You da man Brock
you should make a map thats relative to temperature and tune it to were it runs the coolest temp in all rpms forget the fuel mixture you think is correct and ignition timing use the pair of them to achieve the coolest temp there is were you will find your majic horse power readings and torque try it bet im right!
Doesn't work like that, exactly the opposite on a bike like this.
Brock obviously mr12 works the best but What is the best alternative from vp race fuels that is a unleaded fuel and that won't need to much of a afr adjustment. Say one that you will be able to make a map using auto tune if you have no access to a dyno. What's your opinion on vp mr pro6 Thanks
@Jock, I really can't answer that question. We use MR12 in stock engines and MRX02 in high compression engines. We have not tested any fuel that produces reasonable power gains- worth the additional cost involved (to us) except these two. They are also readily available in our area, which is very valuable since we can't win with what we can't get. I checked out the mr pro6 specs, it's 2 points higher octane than MR12 - so that's a negative for us.
Awesome video thanks again i wait to see these im a big suzuki fan myself!! Do you think this bike will take the crown or be close to christine??
The gen one busa is a 2000 by the way
Hey Brock,
Firstly huuuuuuggggeeeee fan.
Thanks for the amazing videos.
Exhaust tuning is sooo complex.
Could you tell a bit more about fuel efficiency with the custom map. Because a smoother running bike should actually give more miles . But people tend to think the opposite.
Also plz plz plz a video on bazzaz v/s PC auto tune
@sandyroadking - Glad you like our vids - you are correct that a smoother/more powerful bike producing higher fuel mileage. Some bikes will see a sizable increase in fuel mileage. Where we find this typically go unnoticed, or with riders who loose mileage is typically a result of rider style. We add more fuel to create more power, almost everywhere in the map. If the rider is aggressive/has a "heavy hand" the mileage will suffer, (of course). Our Street Maps do a good job of providing the best of both worlds,
Hey Brock question , what will win in a race 2017 zx10r full bolt vs the gsxr 1000 2017 full bolt ons . What are your thoughts for top speed and overall power and performance?
We can't answer that question just yet, as the products to do an apples to apples comparison do not yet exist. That said, the new gixxer is looking very strong at this point.
Told yall that bike was gonna make 200hp.
Amazing vid brock. You tune the top end for `12.3 instead of 12.6 and you'll make 203hp Are you going to advance the timing at all?
Stock ignition timing. We will discuss timing with the ECU flash discussion vid.
Awesome can't wait, Im a big fan!
Learned alot from from your gsxr playlist. I have a 2015 super duke. Do you offer a flash for it?
We don't. Rottweiler seems to be leading the charge on them: www.rottweilerperformance.com/
I'm sure it's matter of opinion but do you think is the better of the 2... the 17-21 gsxr 1000 or the 19-current zx10r? It'd be for street riding/cruising/roll racing.. also I watched your videos on the gsxr s2b is it possible to break the 200 hp mark
On the gsxr without going to race fuel or, is the most you'll see is the 191-193 mark? Will a aftermarket filter help get closer to there? I seen the kaw got to 209 hp.
Thanks and happy new year!
They are both really good bikes. The ZX-10R has a slight top speed advantage. Neither will make 200 on pump...at least not on our dyno. The 2020 s1000rr will.
Hi Brock where do you get the calibration gas , we have been looking for a way of testing our O2 sensor
From Dynojet
Question: how do you know if 13.2 is where the bike makes more power? Is true that there is not a magic af ratio number and some engines at some rpm makes more power at different ratios? (always around safe numbers...)
Hi Brock, Where do you take you calibration gas? I cannot this anywhere. Thanks alot!
We purchase the test gas from dynojet.
Brock, is it possible to use the PC interface / software independently on another type of Dyno, rather than dynoJet?
I mean, is this solution of 'automatic tune' a self standing product that can be used on any other manufacturer dyno, if connected to the O2 sensor of course?
Not that we are aware of. Of course, you can autotune on any dyno - where dynojet has the upper hand, IMO is the integration and ability to automatically adjust load to match TPS and engine RPM...and simultaneously correct the AFR. The model 250I is the best I have ever used.
Did you ever compare pump gas with 10% ethanol and with no ethanol on the dyno?
It's almost impossible to KNOW your "no ethanol" fuel is actually lacking ethanol these days. This article touches on it a bit: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/how-does-octane-affect-my-bikes-power-and-performance/
@@BrockDavidson First thanks for taking time to answer.I ask because I see more and more station actually offer 88 labeled no ethanol in the US.At least from May to Oct and it is widely available in EU and other places.Also Ethanol can be taken out by simply mixing with water and it separates from gas while taking ethanol out.Sure the octane will drop like 3 but if you get 93 and take the ethanol out you get 89-90.I think it would worth a try at least how does it do power wise.Thanks
love the video good info 100 rotten tomatoes !!
Do you guys make full exhaust systems for 2019 Ninja 650? I can't seem to find it in your website. If not, why not?
We do not. Our Brock's Performance Exhaust line is primarily focused at 1000cc and above sportbikes. We offer Termignoni for a wide variety of machines: brocksperformance.com/exhausts/termignoni/kawasaki/er-6n/
Oh I know your gonna get it.
Awesome job! you are very dedicated
Thanks for the tips Brock ..just asking a bit is the bike install the smog block plate..
The PAIR is blocked with a simple plug at the moment - we are working on manufacturing caps to replace remove it entirely.
Thanks for the reply Brock n hv a awesome day...
question you have the stock air filter in or after market and if it is stock how much of a difference is it going to make to that map with an after market air filter
Stock. We will add a Sprint Filter in the next episode.
Such a great video. Lol really wish it was a s1000rr he was working on thou
We have performed all of these tests on the S1000RR also: www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=323&zoneid=25
Oh I believe you. Just would love to watch videos of it is all. Amazing work . Amazing work!!
How about a 2017 S1000RR from 2 weeks ago? th-cam.com/video/u7x-9ynSgLk/w-d-xo.html
Always know how to come thru
Very interesting) Brock, could you tell me a bit more about acceleration graph? I understand that it measures time from start to peak power, but what is start point? Is it the same all runs? Is it machine controlled or you just try to launch from the same speed? Thank you!
This graph shows it well: bit.ly/2WuZbTB
@@BrockDavidson yes, I understand, but how do you choose start (0 second) point? Is it like certain rpm you can choose?
Time (s) scale. Left click(hold) in an area in the low revs that is stable (4-5K) drag the box to the right to an area before the peak limiter disrupts the runs.
@@BrockDavidson thank you!
Brock I live in Australia where we have 91,95 and 98 octane fuel.I'm purchasing a 2019 Gsx s750 which as stock has 114 bhp..The Yoshi Alpha t adds 2 bhp and 2 torque,, also will an aftermarket air cleaner like KnN with the (say 95 fuel) bring my Bhp to 120 ? Cheers..
@Paul, please read this ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating )to see why your Octane rating is typically displayed 4-6 pts. higher than ours. For the highest performance gain, please see our selection of Sprint Filters for your bike: brocksperformance.com/air-filters/
I have a '14 CBR600RR. I want to dyno tune it with a PCV. To prepare for this I plugged the pair from inside the air box. But I still get exhaust popping (I thought that would be gone after plugging it). So I think there is an exhaust leak. I'm going to check the connections around the de-cat that's on it. But can the exhaust popping throw off the dyno tune readings enough to cause problems? How do I deal with my situation?
@Matt, exhaust popping under deceleration does not affect dyno tuning as it is performed under acceleration. Even with the pair blocked, the addition of a short/free flow muffler can create popping - it happens in the stock muffler also, but it is designed to prevent you from hearing the pop. Exhaust leaks can also cause popping, as well as a lean fuel mixture.
I have a gen one busa with your alien head two full exhaust, pc5 and sprint filter. Is there a need to flash the stock ecu? I always run Sunoco 93. The pc5 have the street map on it.
There is no need to flash your ECU. But, you are wasting $ and leaving horsepower on the table by running 93 in your tank vs. 87 (89 for newer/higher compression machines): Check out this FAQ:
www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=392
Brock Davidson wow really? Please explain 87 better than 93.
Brock Davidson thanks for all the knowledge you’re giving back to the motorcycle community
Brock, Awesome videos! Thank you ... I look forward to contacting you directly soon....
I love your vids bro
You should try to install an MWR airfilter then you Will get the last HP without eny more mapping :-) that works for me evry time, but a question, i have this bike but life in Denmark an we have V-power gasoline octane 99 is that better then the American gasoline or What?
We have performed comprehensive testing of the filter you mention... we sell and distribute Sprint Filter and DNA Filters as a result of our testing. Here is info. on higher Octane: www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=392
I'm sure you'll get to 200HP!!!
What about tuning the AFR without a PC and only the ECU?
It's covered in this series. See long description for time stamps.
I watched one of you vids from a few years back, a BMW that had some issues on the dyno. You put back the stock air filter, do you run stock filters in your bikes? I want to flash my ecu and tune my Gsxr 1000 k5. I was going to put in a bmc filter, what are your thoughts?
@Irshad Parak - Hello, please contact sales@brocksperformance.com or call 937-912-0054 for details on your filter question. In a nutshell: until we tested a Sprint Filter in the S1000RR, we had never found ANY aftermarket air filter that worked better than the stock filter for that bike. Remember, just because it's for sale... doesn't mean it actually works better. As far as a flash, yes - we do offer it for your K5, please contact dynoroom@brocksperformance.com for additional details.
When you flash ecu's, do you smooth out and advance the ignition timing?
It depends on the bike - many times the ignition timing is PERFECT. The engineers who created the bike make sure of this. FYI: This bike has stock ignition timing.
Brock Davidson yeah, the new gsxr timing is pretty smooth, no dips. But? When you put on a full exhaust. You can get away with advancing the timing another degree or two fairly safely. Should easily put you over 200hp. Especially with mr12 being more knock resistant
also, it looks like each cylinder ignition timing is unique. and that cylinder 1 and 4 are similar as are 2 and 3 to each other. (ft ecu) software.