Heretic Anthem it may be a while for content.. nobody is racing in the cold.. most guys have put there bikes up for the winter. The gixxer owmer has deployed so i wont see the gixxer for a year
apexhunter2k yes it should. But from what i assume from riding both the is that the gixxer is a better e.t bike but gen 5 is still stronger up top and will have higher trap speeds. Atleast for 9/10ths. That gixxers front half is dam good especially with the quickshifter speed of the R model, ive never felt a shifter faster than that. Almost like u set an aftermarket one to 20ms. So monster midrange, light weight, fast shifts a good tune, flat tq curve and surprisingly good aeros for a bike that narrow and u have a beast on your hands.. but like an h2 it may need a small stretch to tame 1st and 2nd gear unless you do some throttle blade manipulation in those gears thru the ecu to have them closed at certain rpms and ramp in power a certain way to help but now thats cutting back your e.t possibilities. And if u follow my channel youll know i give the most unbiased view of bike performance because i own various makes and models so im not brand loyal and give super optimistic viewpoints of the brand i cling to..i tell it like it is
Excellent Video Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My HP4 wants a piece of your gixxer (with a 220lb jockey riding it) on the filthy streets of Cleveland! Yes, you have the best job in the world!!!! Great Series!
Vignesh Venkataraman Agreed, he definitely breaks it down so everyone can understand. Alot of people watching these vids own other manufacture bikes. Just shows Brocks expertise to capture these people's attention also.
I cannot commend you guys enough for what you did with my ECU I took my bike for a ride tonight and I must say it feels like a total different machine the bike is a monster. I'm truly happy I came across these videos that 2017 GSXR is a force to be reckoned with
Have been running a thinner oil (5w-30)in my bike because of your videos and my own research and it has been running cooler and revving faster. Thanks Brock for all that you do.
Brock another great job ! The gixxer 1k is a beast with mods, thank you for what you do, I'm 6,4 250 pounds And I have a piped 2013 ZX14R (had a 1397 hp built Hayabusa sleeper and 05 GSXR 1k. I'm waiting for the 2019 Hayabusa, due to emission the 2018 bus is 2 years over EPA rules. So suzuki has to make a new bike in 2019 or RIP.
Hopefully when you've reached your end goal (or close to it) I'll finally have my 2017 or 2018 GSX-R1K to mod out with Brock's Performance goodies. Awesome work man!
Wow the horsepower really came out of that thing with the sprint filter. Sounds great with the brock exhaust too. More Power!!! BST Carbon fiber wheel with custom brock single sided extended swingarm!
Wow this is cool for a tech head like me. Love it. Question, Ive always wondered does the ram air effect the mixture at high speed and if so how do allow for it in the tune?
As raceaddict321 commented yesterday, AWESOME!!!! Yes this is the Best Series Going!!! I really like how you explain what you are doing. And in closing, :) You Absolutely Do So Have The Best Job in the World!!!!
is this engine map good for a track use, or for a track day that is not on a drag strip is better another kind of configuration? I don''t know maybe less peak power and a bit more in the mid range. really nice videos by the way ! greets from italy
I like the free flow of that air filter yes👌! But how accurate are the numbers? The bikes not in motion so there’s no pressure in the air box? Ram air plays a big part in hp. From my point of view this thing will probably make more hp going down the track then on that Dyno.
@Brock - Question about oil viscosity. With Suzuki recommending 10W-40 on this bike, is it your experience that engine wear is increased with prolonged use of ultra low viscous lubricants? I was laughing right from the start, "It's like kissing your sister, just too close" - hahaha. The drag & roll-on street guys are going to love that Alien Head exhaust. The F1 filter gain was about 1-2 hp, assuming that translates to the Predator Head exhaust, on pump gas, maybe we're looking at 194-195 hp on a good day. Some ram air effect, a little less viscous oil, and I think road/track racers maybe looking at 196-199. I remember at the beginning asking if 200hp was possible (on pump gas), and dang if it ain't knocking on that door. It just keeps getting better.
@Brock - Very cool. If I'm understanding correctly, less viscous oil increases acceleration, not necessarily showing up on a dyno as HP, but instead in the timeline, just another means of getting from A to B sooner?
It is very hard to believe, that a seethrough filter can protect the engine from dust as well as the oem paper or a foam element. Free flowing and high performance application it is def.
Makes one wonder - why do they keep persisting making these big panel filters without the soft insulating edge. A lot of yamaha and ktm bikes have dust in airbox through the edge etc. Many times we have had to install a soft insulating seal on the side (or both). In comparison to foam filter - ie pipercross or similar - the performance gain/cost/safety is on par - or do You consider this to be more high end performance product?
We do not like any form of oiled media. We find that over-oiling disrupts consistent AFR. They clog up and loose power quickly and they are a PITA to clean, wait etc. Under conditions of misuse, the oil will dry up completely and leave only a dry extremely porous media to filter the air. If our bikes do not have a Sprint Filter...they have an OEM paper element.
Well my question wasn't going to be Suzuki related, but when that new filter is available for the h2 lol.......after a quick check on your site, I see it's there....fantastic ;)
Brock Davidson well brock i have a bone to pick with you.. id love a sprint p08 filter for the 14R. Why is this the only bike it isn't available for. I hate filters that require re-oiling now that ive switched all my bikes over to sprint, plus the mph gains im seeing by using sprint also made me a believer. Hook it up my man.
@Brock sir, this series has made me change my decision from buying akra slip-on with butterfly valve for my 2016 Z800 to something which does not have a butterfly valve. Only if I could get a slip-on for my bike from Brock's.. Sir could you please run a Dyno with your friends Gsxr who has a Yoshi slip-on to show the Afr changes with just a slip-on addition.
Brock, this was a most informative video on the tuning process!! Thank you. So two quick questions, is 13.0 at WOT/100TPS the best AFR to aim for when tuning? Or does this depend on region (4500 feet ASL). And, do you often see the best power gains using 60/40 to the upper injectors? I noticed in Part 2 you had this bike set for 80/20 that led into a 60/40 at highest RPM.
It depends on the bike as well as the elevation. Denser air (closer to sea level) can burn more fuel, etc... On some bikes with upper and lower injectors, 60/40 can work best - especially in LSR. **BUT** since most bikes do not actively monitor and tune the AFR (excluding some BMW's and Ducati's) it's not uncommon for them to over or under compensate at high speeds to account for ram air. This article goes into more detail on the subject: bit.ly/2EJ1zAV
Be carefulwhat you wish for 650ib Brocks clutchand is a beast, i think a swb challenge is in order!!! Brocks vs. 650ib on 2 equally tuned 2017 gsxr 1000's that sounds like some sick gopro videos!!
hey Brock. Your closing comment about the oil got me thinking about coolant. am about to change mine and was researching engine Ice and Evans waterless coolant. the manufactures both state these coolants result in cooler running temperature and more horsepower. would be great to see if you could add that to your testing.
@Tim Vella - Be very careful when using engine ice, water wetter etc. as they can freeze and cause huge problems that are not immediately noticeable. Evans will tell you that the only way their product can make power is if the bike has detonation created by excessive heat (not common in today's sportbikes), but it does work very well. I have used all mentioned and personally prefer ethylene-glycol based coolants, unless racing rules dictate otherwise - when they do, we use this: www.brocksperformance.com/Motul-Mo-Cool-Radiator-Additive-169oz+I553418+C81.aspx
Brock Davidson thanks Brock! i live in a very hot dry climate which rarely drops below 2degrees but that is good to know! i don't race, unfortunately racing has been banned here for over a year. will stick to stock coolant. thanks for dispelling the myths.
@Never4filled - We worked directly with BMW Motorrad, USA and had one of the first 2010 S1000RR's in the country. We certainly don't lack tuning time or expertise with the bike. Everything you see in this series, plus more was done on the RR also - we even backed up our dyno results with drag strip and land speed race results.Check them out here: www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=323&zoneid=25 and make sure you view the article where a dealership in Greensboro, SC installed our performance kit, then jumped on a 700 mile ride to West Palm Beach, FL for some drag racing.
Brock, a few questions on the quickshifter option for the non R model.. since you are enabling the ecu for the quickshifter function does it still allow part to wide open throttle downshifts in similiar fashion as the R model and the 2nd gen s1000rr or do you have to have closed throttle for the autoblip to work. Also does your dyno have a way to read individual kill times per gear at wide open throttle based on the brief pause in acceleration and measure it in milliseconds or do you have a special tool that can measure the ignition kill between shifts from the coil packs or another method..unless ofcourse reading out the ecu thru the flash program gives you the kill times for wide open throttle.. i know on factory quickshifter equipped bikes the kill times are varied based on load and throttle opening. Im just trying to see just how similiar the ft-ecu shifter kit works on the base model gixxer in comparison to the R model. Because the R model is fantastic.
@raceaddict - We don't measure and cant change the kill times with the FTECU shifter. It works very nice, but I don't think you will find a quicker/smoother shifter than the GSX-R model quick shifter. I haven't tried partial throttle blipping, I'll check it next time I ride the bike.
Brock rocks Brock my 2017 GSXR 1000r I know in one part you mentioned a power commander you need to put in first what kind do I need or can I just have it remapped I'm only looking for the blade derestriction I think I think I would be happy with that
Hey Brock i have a 2017 ninja 1000 (same as the z1000) with akrapovic headers and slip ons, K n N filter and has been dyno tuned at proven power in tampa FL. Got the same results you got when u tuned the Z1000. I seen in one of the vids you put MR12 fuel in for fun. Did you need to create a map for that or is that something i can do for fun if i wanted to waste some money. I have this friend with a 2004 R1 who has been whooping me in every race for over a year. Since i got my bike tuned the races have been pretty close. I figured i want to do something just for an edge to beat him 1x. What do you think?
MR12 is highly oxygenated and requires a full remap for maximum performance. These two links are more detailed: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/what-is-savage-mode/ and blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/will-running-mr12-require-mapping-changes-compared-to-brocks-street-maps/
@Brock Davidson. Hey Brock, just placed a order for a full titanium predator system and P08 F185 filter for 17 GSXR1000R. Should i be worried about any kind of damage to my bike running those mods without a PCV or ECU flash? Waiting a month for the PCV and flash.
@Nick Skiver - nothing to really 'worry' about. But, the bike will know you have installed the pipe and will throw emissions codes. If we know you ran with codes before we flash your ECU, we can remove them. If not, you will need to get them cleared by your dealer. Either way, the bike will run fine and not hurt anything until you get the flash and PCV. And THANKS for your purchase!
@Brock Davidson. Ok, great. Thats reassuring. I spoke with someone from sales and they basically told me the same thing, he was very helpful. Just wanted to confirm, thank you for getting back to me.
@Shaun - some bikes respond with greater gains (Ninja H2/ Harley-Davidsons and many 600/750's) but the new GSX-R1000 showed a typical increase for a modern sportbike.
1.74hp GAIN going from Stock Air Filter to Sprint P08 F1-85. Did you fine tune the AFR to squeeze even more out? If yes, what was the overall gain going from Stock to Sprint? DISREGARD: Episode 6 (Part 2) showed 204.19, a total gain of 2.26hp over the stock Air Filter. Cool Beans!! "The Devil is in the Details"
@ Brock, Can you post the acceleration times to compare the completely stock,flashed tuned on pump gas and this last run of 203hp with the sprint filter?
@apexhunter2k, we have runs in derestricted form (basic flash/no fuel tuning), but we would have no use to tune the bike in its stock form. I'll put something together and post it soon.
Brock Davidson ok cool thanks. Agreed, I meant the previous runs you already made completely stock, as the bike sits now but on pump gas without the filter and as the bike sit now but with mr12 comparing the acceleration. Thanks
@apexhunter2k - Time to 14K rev limiter: stock/flashed with PCV on pump (Predator)/Flashed with PCV on MR12 with Alien head and Sprint Filter F1: www.brocksperformance.com/images/Gixzilla_Time.jpg
HI brock just started playing around with mr12 my question I've got is when you drain the mr12 and put normal fuel can you just have it idle for a while or do you need to go and take it for a hard ride so the secondary injectors can start working aswell so normal fuel can go thru it Thanks
Make sure you fill the tank with pump gas enough to completely submerge the fuel pump to prevent the seals from drying out. Let the bike idle for a few minutes, and you are good to go.
Brock i have the same bike and purchased a set of the BST wheels, PCV, ECU flash and your predator, any chance of installing a set of bst wheels and running a dyno, reason i am asking when i replaced them i couldnt belive how heavy the OEM wheels are
That's great, but what if the bike is already over compensating with fuel due to ram air? More Info: blog.brocksperformance.com/ufaqs/how-can-brocks-get-mapping-so-close/
(- couple time customer and couple time comment troll. I just had a thought about the ecm and flash. The speed sensor is off the front wheel so great I don't need a speedo healer but what does mph change. I was thinking ram air compensation? Or timing changes? Also if it hovering the front wheel and tire tire is touch and go on the 60 or 330 will it think wheelie mode? I would wander whY would happen if you set up the sensor on the rear wheel if possible and see if it changes ram air compensation or any of your other dyno charts change? I like the sprint filter maybe helps kick in the ram air affect after the filter sooner possibly giving a bit more mph in standing mile.
@Jason check out this MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAP_sensor - While we have not raced the 2017 GSX-R1000, on other bikes (S1000RR, Ninja H2, etc.) we turn off all nanny controls (wheelie/traction), as we find them too intrusive to produce the quickest results at the drag strip. We have measured increased in MPH with the addition of the Sprint P16 filter. The P08 works closer to stock, but is reusable and very easy to clean with compressed air.
I understand how the map works 20 year diesel tech also it does aid let the computer compensation so it doesn't go lean. My main thought because I want clear was how 5th and 6th on the Mexican racing circuit street coarse would affect the actual air fuel. I know the engineers did a wonderful as did you but they went in the process with building tables with there exhaust and air flow so just wandering if there more mph or power for say the guys in Florida who prefer 9/10th over quarter Mile. What you have done is great I'm just curious to see how off the dyno vs 170 plus mph figure makes a difference. If any. I'm hoping to see another bid series with the gsxr like the original ZX 14 write you did awhile back. Top end and quarter-mile.
I went from the cheapest motorcycle 10w-40 full synthetic oil I could find, to ecstar r9000 10w-40 full synthetic oil which is in relative terms expensive. I didn't notice any performance difference on the ol' butt dyno. There is probably other benefits, but I didn't notice anything performance wise.
Yeah, maybe. It's a controversial subject for sure. Though I did run Castrol GTX in my old FZR600 back in the nineties without knowing any better lol. I personally noticed a difference when I switched my current bike over to Mobil 1 4t 10-40 synthetic and a bigger difference with 5-30 Mobil 1. My current thinking is that clutches are replaceable and my motor and tranny seem to like this oil so we will see what happens. For your situation there are good motorcycle oils in 5-30 you could try like Motul. I'm just a cheap bastard lol and change mine way too often to pay that much. Thinner oils are definitely better even though I used to be a thicker oil guy. Rotella 15-40 was the worst oil I ever used whereas the T6 5-40 was OK. Check out the excellent 540 RAT blog for more info on oil. Mobil 1 scored very high on his oil film psi test, but diesel oils not so much. Peace
Hi Brock need your help please. Bought a power commander v from you for my 2016 zx10r. Installed it straight forward installation. Bike fired up straight away but then the dash started flashing nonstop. Luckily I've got woolich software so I can read the fault code. So it said primary injector #2 open circuit or short. Cleared the fault code same problem. Disconnected the plug both ends reinstalled same problem. Then I only plugged the 2de injector plug from the bike's wire back in leaving the power commander number 2 unplugged in doing this the fault did not come up. Plugged the power commander wire back in straight away dash flashes and same fault code. Will this be my luck with a faulty power commander. Or is there something else I need to check. Thanks
We can't tell you that it is ok to run without your muffler, as it's not something we would ever suggest. Please see our test without the muffler here: th-cam.com/video/MFRNjUMoDn4/w-d-xo.html
Velocity stacks don't make power... They move power. If you want more up top (high RPM) , shorter is better, but mid and low will suffer. Longer stacks move power up in the low and mid... But peak will suffer. The key is to pick where you want to be.
@Raudel - the use of E85 is a trend in the car world and on the Internet. We feel its use in the normally aspirated motorcycle world is a waste of time/effort/money. MR12 will give far better results in the real-world .. that why we use it.
Seen a couple zx10rs with e85 they run good... it’s cheaper than 87 and Mr12 is to expensive but as far longevity I think it’s best to use gas made for the bike 91+ mr12 etc
tatuksa the Sprint and DNA filters are both excellent and will help increase your performance. Personally, I like the easy cleaning of the Sprint Filter.
Awesome... best series out there
When's the new content coming out? I been waiting for the Gen 5 vs 17 Gixxer rematch!
Heretic Anthem it may be a while for content.. nobody is racing in the cold.. most guys have put there bikes up for the winter. The gixxer owmer has deployed so i wont see the gixxer for a year
Definitely the best series out there
raceaddict321 When the weather breaks, i will like to see how my 17 gsxr1000 run against a properly setup Gen 5. It should be very interesting.
apexhunter2k yes it should. But from what i assume from riding both the is that the gixxer is a better e.t bike but gen 5 is still stronger up top and will have higher trap speeds. Atleast for 9/10ths. That gixxers front half is dam good especially with the quickshifter speed of the R model, ive never felt a shifter faster than that. Almost like u set an aftermarket one to 20ms. So monster midrange, light weight, fast shifts a good tune, flat tq curve and surprisingly good aeros for a bike that narrow and u have a beast on your hands.. but like an h2 it may need a small stretch to tame 1st and 2nd gear unless you do some throttle blade manipulation in those gears thru the ecu to have them closed at certain rpms and ramp in power a certain way to help but now thats cutting back your e.t possibilities. And if u follow my channel youll know i give the most unbiased view of bike performance because i own various makes and models so im not brand loyal and give super optimistic viewpoints of the brand i cling to..i tell it like it is
Excellent Video Sir!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My HP4 wants a piece of your gixxer (with a 220lb jockey riding it) on the filthy streets of Cleveland! Yes, you have the best job in the world!!!! Great Series!
@650ib - Let's find a racetrack and I will whoop up on you and your HP4 myself. I'm 215-220 suited (:
Brock Davidson OK!!!! That will be epic!!!!!
beat his ass!!! show em what that GSXR is made of
I love your answer. Shows that you are a professional.
Racetrack? ib on a racetrack? Oh nooooooooz
Factoring 12% drivetrain losses, this engine is making about 228 crank HP. That's seriously impressive.
You explain concepts better than most university professors.Awesome videos!Waiting for more!!!
Vignesh Venkataraman lol, thanks.
Vignesh Venkataraman Agreed, he definitely breaks it down so everyone can understand. Alot of people watching these vids own other manufacture bikes. Just shows Brocks expertise to capture these people's attention also.
I have 8% battery left on a 4 hour bus journey. I'm glad I spent my resources well.
Karnige Vlogs good on ya, safe travels brotha.
I cannot commend you guys enough for what you did with my ECU I took my bike for a ride tonight and I must say it feels like a total different machine the bike is a monster. I'm truly happy I came across these videos that 2017 GSXR is a force to be reckoned with
@mr.white, thank you for your input :) If you wouldn't mind, could you take a moment to post this review in our store?
This was fantastic. I came to know Brock 2 years ago when he started tuning 650ib's bikes. This was a very educational video. Love from Africa.
Brock, you've won me over. I'm going to sell my 2007 "Busa and start shopping for a 2018 GSXR! I'm not getting rid of the ZX-14R, though.
busaking1 hawley hey man! It's against the law to own a Suzi and a Kaw😛
I bought my 2017 GSXR1000 and put a Predator exhaust, Power Commander 5, sprint filter and Brock’s ECU flash and HOLY HELL its amazing the difference.
Same here!.. Wanting 2017 GSXR 1000 in the same color scheme!
now you need to give 650ib a smackdown with that 200hp😁
Favian cosmo ib has it coming to him...lol.
The evolution of this bike is amazing!
Woooo, I want to see what happens next! Never thought about it this way. Thumbs up! One hell of a series!
Whoa, 203 at the rear wheel. Nice tune Brock!
Thanks! We worked very hard to reach this point.
I NEED MORE!!! You’ve created an addict Brock!!
Have been running a thinner oil (5w-30)in my bike because of your videos and my own research and it has been running cooler and revving faster. Thanks Brock for all that you do.
Every time a new Brock video comes out I get excited because I know I’m gonna learn shit
Brock another great job ! The gixxer 1k is a beast with mods, thank you for what you do, I'm 6,4 250 pounds And I have a piped 2013 ZX14R (had a 1397 hp built Hayabusa sleeper and 05 GSXR 1k. I'm waiting for the 2019 Hayabusa, due to emission the 2018 bus is 2 years over EPA rules. So suzuki has to make a new bike in 2019 or RIP.
I love the Series Brock, please keep them coming!!
Hopefully when you've reached your end goal (or close to it) I'll finally have my 2017 or 2018 GSX-R1K to mod out with Brock's Performance goodies. Awesome work man!
The torque gain of nearly 2 lb-ft is impressive.
Getis Realis That caught my eye also. 91lbs of torque from a stock bike is very impressive.
I knew if anybody would tune the hell out of a stock properly for maxium hp bike it'd be you Brock..!
The suspenseful ending ... I cant wait for the next part
Wow the horsepower really came out of that thing with the sprint filter. Sounds great with the brock exhaust too. More Power!!! BST Carbon fiber wheel with custom brock single sided extended swingarm!
Another awesome video. What you guys do. Is amazing. Waiting for the next one...
I love your honesty and step by step proof of what works. Keep up the great vlogs 👍
Another OUTSTANDING video...thank you Brock, your content is fantastic!Can't wait for the next one.
Hey Brock, awesome series, really learning a lot. Please keep em coming
good job brock!! i chose a sprint filter for mine too!! :D
Nicely done, that factory filter was doing a good job.
Wow this is cool for a tech head like me. Love it. Question, Ive always wondered does the ram air effect the mixture at high speed and if so how do allow for it in the tune?
Rob Defire it does, the amount differs per bike. We will cover this when track tuning in an upcoming episode.
As raceaddict321 commented yesterday, AWESOME!!!! Yes this is the Best Series Going!!! I really like how you explain what you are doing. And in closing, :) You Absolutely Do So Have The Best Job in the World!!!!
@liveatvictoria -Thanks and glad you like. We have a good time making them.
Come on Brock drop that next video! Suzuki is making a comeback!
This week (:
is this engine map good for a track use, or for a track day that is not on a drag strip is better another kind of configuration? I don''t know maybe less peak power and a bit more in the mid range.
really nice videos by the way ! greets from italy
awesome. can't wait to see the results of the oil change.
Awesome episode Brock, waiting for part 2
Perfekt explaining an perfekt when you go tenical, you are a good teacher 😃👍
I like the free flow of that air filter yes👌! But how accurate are the numbers? The bikes not in motion so there’s no pressure in the air box? Ram air plays a big part in hp. From my point of view this thing will probably make more hp going down the track then on that Dyno.
is that less then zero oil good for daily riding?? or just racing ? i have a 16' S1000rr
All I could think was, "do you o-ring delete mod" on the chain and try it. Love these vids.
Got that bike hitting smooth!
Brock,
I really like your Info vids like this.. Thank you Very much. !! keep them coming. ! I have a 2016 ZX14R SE.. !
Well done Mr. Brock’s
Yes!! This is so good.
Damnit! why did this video have to end. Good stuff and always very informative Brock.
Great video, love what y'all doing.
@Brock - Question about oil viscosity. With Suzuki recommending 10W-40 on this bike, is it your experience that engine wear is increased with prolonged use of ultra low viscous lubricants? I was laughing right from the start, "It's like kissing your sister, just too close" - hahaha. The drag & roll-on street guys are going to love that Alien Head exhaust. The F1 filter gain was about 1-2 hp, assuming that translates to the Predator Head exhaust, on pump gas, maybe we're looking at 194-195 hp on a good day. Some ram air effect, a little less viscous oil, and I think road/track racers maybe looking at 196-199. I remember at the beginning asking if 200hp was possible (on pump gas), and dang if it ain't knocking on that door. It just keeps getting better.
Getis Realis Read up on the petron additive brock uses and recommends it makes sure that the non weight oil doesn’t increase engine wear
@Thegixxer_boy - Thanks, just got done reading the specs on "
@Getis, great question. One of my friends/long time crewman has used
@Brock - Very cool. If I'm understanding correctly, less viscous oil increases acceleration, not necessarily showing up on a dyno as HP, but instead in the timeline, just another means of getting from A to B sooner?
@getis - Reduced friction can show up on the dyno in the form of increased horsepower. We like the Alisyn
Great job Brock!
And what about ceramic bearings wheels....maby 1 or 2 more horserpower?
It is very hard to believe, that a seethrough filter can protect the engine from dust as well as the oem paper or a foam element.
Free flowing and high performance application it is def.
How well does it filter? blog.brocksperformance.com/sprint-filter-p08-long-term-test-kawasaki-zx-10r-2016/
Makes one wonder - why do they keep persisting making these big panel filters without the soft insulating edge. A lot of yamaha and ktm bikes have dust in airbox through the edge etc. Many times we have had to install a soft insulating seal on the side (or both).
In comparison to foam filter - ie pipercross or similar - the performance gain/cost/safety is on par - or do You consider this to be more high end performance product?
We do not like any form of oiled media. We find that over-oiling disrupts consistent AFR. They clog up and loose power quickly and they are a PITA to clean, wait etc. Under conditions of misuse, the oil will dry up completely and leave only a dry extremely porous media to filter the air. If our bikes do not have a Sprint Filter...they have an OEM paper element.
I wonder how much hp the Yoshimura performance cams could add
You are the best Brock!!!
Wtf 203hp rear wheel power.. Beast😲😲😲
Holy fuck, nice video as usual Brock. Love this series.
Well my question wasn't going to be Suzuki related, but when that new filter is available for the h2 lol.......after a quick check on your site, I see it's there....fantastic ;)
BOOSTEDH2 Hey Adam, we can't show you cool stuff, and then not make it available...that would be mean! Lol.
It would be lol
Brock Davidson well brock i have a bone to pick with you.. id love a sprint p08 filter for the 14R. Why is this the only bike it isn't available for. I hate filters that require re-oiling now that ive switched all my bikes over to sprint, plus the mph gains im seeing by using sprint also made me a believer. Hook it up my man.
raceaddict321 they will be in stock soon 😎
Brock Davidson 🤘👌👍
Man, this os gold. Very nice job!
@Brock sir, this series has made me change my decision from buying akra slip-on with butterfly valve for my 2016 Z800 to something which does not have a butterfly valve. Only if I could get a slip-on for my bike from Brock's..
Sir could you please run a Dyno with your friends Gsxr who has a Yoshi slip-on to show the Afr changes with just a slip-on addition.
Check 5:10 here: th-cam.com/video/MzhlPRSoMho/w-d-xo.html
Brock, this was a most informative video on the tuning process!! Thank you. So two quick questions, is 13.0 at WOT/100TPS the best AFR to aim for when tuning? Or does this depend on region (4500 feet ASL). And, do you often see the best power gains using 60/40 to the upper injectors? I noticed in Part 2 you had this bike set for 80/20 that led into a 60/40 at highest RPM.
It depends on the bike as well as the elevation. Denser air (closer to sea level) can burn more fuel, etc... On some bikes with upper and lower injectors, 60/40 can work best - especially in LSR. **BUT** since most bikes do not actively monitor and tune the AFR (excluding some BMW's and Ducati's) it's not uncommon for them to over or under compensate at high speeds to account for ram air. This article goes into more detail on the subject: bit.ly/2EJ1zAV
Be carefulwhat you wish for 650ib Brocks clutchand is a beast, i think a swb challenge is in order!!! Brocks vs. 650ib on 2 equally tuned 2017 gsxr 1000's that sounds like some sick gopro videos!!
650Ib doesn't have any idea how much he don't want none of that!
hey Brock. Your closing comment about the oil got me thinking about coolant. am about to change mine and was researching engine Ice and Evans waterless coolant. the manufactures both state these coolants result in cooler running temperature and more horsepower. would be great to see if you could add that to your testing.
@Tim Vella - Be very careful when using engine ice, water wetter etc. as they can freeze and cause huge problems that are not immediately noticeable. Evans will tell you that the only way their product can make power is if the bike has detonation created by excessive heat (not common in today's sportbikes), but it does work very well. I have used all mentioned and personally prefer ethylene-glycol based coolants, unless racing rules dictate otherwise - when they do, we use this: www.brocksperformance.com/Motul-Mo-Cool-Radiator-Additive-169oz+I553418+C81.aspx
Brock Davidson thanks Brock! i live in a very hot dry climate which rarely drops below 2degrees but that is good to know! i don't race, unfortunately racing has been banned here for over a year. will stick to stock coolant. thanks for dispelling the myths.
@Tim Vella - racing is banned? Do you mind if I ask where you are located?
Love how you educate the public. I just wish you spent more time tuning and working on a BMW S1000RR 😂😂😂
@Never4filled - We worked directly with BMW Motorrad, USA and had one of the first 2010 S1000RR's in the country. We certainly don't lack tuning time or expertise with the bike. Everything you see in this series, plus more was done on the RR also - we even backed up our dyno results with drag strip and land speed race results.Check them out here: www.brocksperformance.com/brocknm/templates/bpp1.aspx?articleid=323&zoneid=25 and make sure you view the article where a dealership in Greensboro, SC installed our performance kit, then jumped on a 700 mile ride to West Palm Beach, FL for some drag racing.
Brock, a few questions on the quickshifter option for the non R model.. since you are enabling the ecu for the quickshifter function does it still allow part to wide open throttle downshifts in similiar fashion as the R model and the 2nd gen s1000rr or do you have to have closed throttle for the autoblip to work. Also does your dyno have a way to read individual kill times per gear at wide open throttle based on the brief pause in acceleration and measure it in milliseconds or do you have a special tool that can measure the ignition kill between shifts from the coil packs or another method..unless ofcourse reading out the ecu thru the flash program gives you the kill times for wide open throttle.. i know on factory quickshifter equipped bikes the kill times are varied based on load and throttle opening. Im just trying to see just how similiar the ft-ecu shifter kit works on the base model gixxer in comparison to the R model. Because the R model is fantastic.
@raceaddict - We don't measure and cant change the kill times with the FTECU shifter. It works very nice, but I don't think you will find a quicker/smoother shifter than the GSX-R model quick shifter. I haven't tried partial throttle blipping, I'll check it next time I ride the bike.
Brock Davidson ok cool thanks
Brock Which quick shift / auto blip system are you running Since this bike isn’t the “R” model?
Joselyn Espinosa you noticed that, eh? ;) check out out web store for our ECU flash with Flashtune shifter/blipper.
Brock Davidson shifter/blipper is addicting and they are great if your track rider or canyon carver
i use woolich quickshifter/autoblipper on mine.. I LOVE IT!
Good eye...I noticed that as I heard him go thru the gears..
203 hp at wheel .... Whatttttt !!! I wonder how much it makes at the crank
Add about 10%
How about small adjustments to the ignition timing? That should make a couple of hp. 💪
That's a common thought... we cover ignition timing in detail later in this series.
@@BrockDavidson i totally forgot that i watched that ignition timing video, smh i have it cued to be watched again since this morning.
Hello Brock i have a 2017 GSX-R1000 with a yoshimura titanium full system exhaust. Will the Brock Ecu flash/quick shifter work with my exhaust?
Brock rocks Brock my 2017 GSXR 1000r I know in one part you mentioned a power commander you need to put in first what kind do I need or can I just have it remapped I'm only looking for the blade derestriction I think I think I would be happy with that
@Lou, please give us a call for the best suggestions/combinations to fit your needs: 937-912-0054 or sales@brocksperformance.com
It's hard to believe that filter can keep any dirt out of the engine considering your can see right through it.
You should see it stop water ;)
200 at rear wheel that amazing
Hey Brock i have a 2017 ninja 1000 (same as the z1000) with akrapovic headers and slip ons, K n N filter and has been dyno tuned at proven power in tampa FL. Got the same results you got when u tuned the Z1000. I seen in one of the vids you put MR12 fuel in for fun. Did you need to create a map for that or is that something i can do for fun if i wanted to waste some money. I have this friend with a 2004 R1 who has been whooping me in every race for over a year. Since i got my bike tuned the races have been pretty close. I figured i want to do something just for an edge to beat him 1x. What do you think?
MR12 is highly oxygenated and requires a full remap for maximum performance. These two links are more detailed: blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/what-is-savage-mode/
and blog.brocksperformance.com/faq/will-running-mr12-require-mapping-changes-compared-to-brocks-street-maps/
@Brock Davidson. Hey Brock, just placed a order for a full titanium predator system and P08 F185 filter for 17 GSXR1000R. Should i be worried about any kind of damage to my bike running those mods without a PCV or ECU flash? Waiting a month for the PCV and flash.
@Nick Skiver - nothing to really 'worry' about. But, the bike will know you have installed the pipe and will throw emissions codes. If we know you ran with codes before we flash your ECU, we can remove them. If not, you will need to get them cleared by your dealer. Either way, the bike will run fine and not hurt anything until you get the flash and PCV. And THANKS for your purchase!
@Brock Davidson. Ok, great. Thats reassuring. I spoke with someone from sales and they basically told me the same thing, he was very helpful. Just wanted to confirm, thank you for getting back to me.
Yes,,!, Been waiting fr this video
this is great. debunks all stupid and exaggerated claims.
@Shaun - some bikes respond with greater gains (Ninja H2/ Harley-Davidsons and many 600/750's) but the new GSX-R1000 showed a typical increase for a modern sportbike.
Wonder if Blackstone could tell you what type of oil is put in from the factory.
I'm sure they could - but it doesn't really matter as long as we note a measurable increase after changing the oil.
1.74hp GAIN going from Stock Air Filter to Sprint P08 F1-85. Did you fine tune the AFR to squeeze even more out? If yes, what was the overall gain going from Stock to Sprint? DISREGARD: Episode 6 (Part 2) showed 204.19, a total gain of 2.26hp over the stock Air Filter. Cool Beans!! "The Devil is in the Details"
@ Brock, Can you post the acceleration times to compare the completely stock,flashed tuned on pump gas and this last run of 203hp with the sprint filter?
@apexhunter2k, we have runs in derestricted form (basic flash/no fuel tuning), but we would have no use to tune the bike in its stock form. I'll put something together and post it soon.
Brock Davidson ok cool thanks. Agreed, I meant the previous runs you already made completely stock, as the bike sits now but on pump gas without the filter and as the bike sit now but with mr12 comparing the acceleration. Thanks
@apexhunter2k - Time to 14K rev limiter: stock/flashed with PCV on pump (Predator)/Flashed with PCV on MR12 with Alien head and Sprint Filter F1: www.brocksperformance.com/images/Gixzilla_Time.jpg
Brock Davidson Wow, just what I thought. Thanks for that.
HI brock just started playing around with mr12 my question I've got is when you drain the mr12 and put normal fuel can you just have it idle for a while or do you need to go and take it for a hard ride so the secondary injectors can start working aswell so normal fuel can go thru it Thanks
Make sure you fill the tank with pump gas enough to completely submerge the fuel pump to prevent the seals from drying out. Let the bike idle for a few minutes, and you are good to go.
@@BrockDavidson Thank you
Wow that's a lot of money for a filter. 200+
As to old saying goes: "Speed costs money...how fast do you want to go"?
@@BrockDavidson as right now BMC is doing the trick. But 200 dollars difference is hard to justify in speed. Love the series. Keep up the good work.
In europe they come with 200hp! If we use your maps and exhaust we get 220hp!
Haha no they dont. More like 183hp stock
Brock i have the same bike and purchased a set of the BST wheels, PCV, ECU flash and your predator, any chance of installing a set of bst wheels and running a dyno, reason i am asking when i replaced them i couldnt belive how heavy the OEM wheels are
@peter ago - yes. The plan is to set Gixzilla (that's her new name :) ) up identical to Christine, our 2010 S1000RR and test them side by side.
In my part of the world we tune bikes to run 13.1 up until +-10 000rpm then make it rather rich 12.9-12.8-12.7 and we do this because of the ram air
That's great, but what if the bike is already over compensating with fuel due to ram air? More Info: blog.brocksperformance.com/ufaqs/how-can-brocks-get-mapping-so-close/
Didn't know he had a yt channel. bettttt
Is Sprint coming out with the P08 F1-85 filter for the Gen 2 Hayabusa ???
D Man H - yes 😎
Brock Davidson YES !!! do u kno when ?
I don't, but our Customer Service team would. 937-912-0054 or sales@brocksperformance.com
Thanks. your videos are very informative and exciting !!!
I always question filtration when you can see right through the filter medium.
Which is why OEM paper filters are available...and why we win more races.
@@BrockDavidson alright Brock. I wasn't been derogatory mate. No offence. Jeesus
Me either.
@@BrockDavidson Okay, cool. I thought you were being facetious there.
Trade off for winning races. If you want a 100k mile bike, go OEM. Most racers don't use an AF at all.
(- couple time customer and couple time comment troll. I just had a thought about the ecm and flash. The speed sensor is off the front wheel so great I don't need a speedo healer but what does mph change. I was thinking ram air compensation? Or timing changes? Also if it hovering the front wheel and tire tire is touch and go on the 60 or 330 will it think wheelie mode?
I would wander whY would happen if you set up the sensor on the rear wheel if possible and see if it changes ram air compensation or any of your other dyno charts change?
I like the sprint filter maybe helps kick in the ram air affect after the filter sooner possibly giving a bit more mph in standing mile.
@Jason check out this MAP (Manifold Absolute Pressure) sensor definition: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAP_sensor - While we have not raced the 2017 GSX-R1000, on other bikes (S1000RR, Ninja H2, etc.) we turn off all nanny controls (wheelie/traction), as we find them too intrusive to produce the quickest results at the drag strip. We have measured increased in MPH with the addition of the Sprint P16 filter. The P08 works closer to stock, but is reusable and very easy to clean with compressed air.
I understand how the map works 20 year diesel tech also it does aid let the computer compensation so it doesn't go lean. My main thought because I want clear was how 5th and 6th on the Mexican racing circuit street coarse would affect the actual air fuel. I know the engineers did a wonderful as did you but they went in the process with building tables with there exhaust and air flow so just wandering if there more mph or power for say the guys in Florida who prefer 9/10th over quarter Mile.
What you have done is great I'm just curious to see how off the dyno vs 170 plus mph figure makes a difference. If any.
I'm hoping to see another bid series with the gsxr like the original ZX 14 write you did awhile back. Top end and quarter-mile.
@Jason, gottcha. Bikes are a bit simpler than cars/trucks. This might be of additional assistance? www.brocksperformance.com/absolutefm/?f=234
I went from the cheapest motorcycle 10w-40 full synthetic oil I could find, to ecstar r9000 10w-40 full synthetic oil which is in relative terms expensive. I didn't notice any performance difference on the ol' butt dyno. There is probably other benefits, but I didn't notice anything performance wise.
You need to run a thinner synthetic to see a difference. I run Mobil 1 5w-30 car oil with zero clutch slippage.
Yeah, maybe. It's a controversial subject for sure. Though I did run Castrol GTX in my old FZR600 back in the nineties without knowing any better lol. I personally noticed a difference when I switched my current bike over to Mobil 1 4t 10-40 synthetic and a bigger difference with 5-30 Mobil 1. My current thinking is that clutches are replaceable and my motor and tranny seem to like this oil so we will see what happens. For your situation there are good motorcycle oils in 5-30 you could try like Motul. I'm just a cheap bastard lol and change mine way too often to pay that much. Thinner oils are definitely better even though I used to be a thicker oil guy. Rotella 15-40 was the worst oil I ever used whereas the T6 5-40 was OK. Check out the excellent 540 RAT blog for more info on oil. Mobil 1 scored very high on his oil film psi test, but diesel oils not so much. Peace
SCREAMER !!!
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What was the oil you use? Would it be good for trackday riding. Not drag.
We run Alisyn
Awesomeness, ever get 200 out of the R1M???
@trackappeal - on our current dyno, on the SAE scale using MR12 race fuel, our R1 record is 196 and change.
Brock Davidson very nice. Thank you sir. Keep up the great work.
Do the high flow filters rob bikes of low end torque?
@M S no. Low-end torque is not affected by the installation of a high flow filter in modern sportbikes.
Hi Brock need your help please. Bought a power commander v from you for my 2016 zx10r. Installed it straight forward installation. Bike fired up straight away but then the dash started flashing nonstop. Luckily I've got woolich software so I can read the fault code. So it said primary injector #2 open circuit or short. Cleared the fault code same problem. Disconnected the plug both ends reinstalled same problem. Then I only plugged the 2de injector plug from the bike's wire back in leaving the power commander number 2 unplugged in doing this the fault did not come up. Plugged the power commander wire back in straight away dash flashes and same fault code. Will this be my luck with a faulty power commander. Or is there something else I need to check. Thanks
Sounds like a bad pcv? Give dynojet a call
Hi brock I'm in New Zealand it will be difficult for me to call them. Have you maybe got a contact there who you can ask. Will much appreciate it.
If I took the stock muffler off would I run too lean without the back pressure from it?
We can't tell you that it is ok to run without your muffler, as it's not something we would ever suggest. Please see our test without the muffler here: th-cam.com/video/MFRNjUMoDn4/w-d-xo.html
Amazing
Would velocity stacks help make more power?
Velocity stacks don't make power... They move power. If you want more up top (high RPM) , shorter is better, but mid and low will suffer. Longer stacks move power up in the low and mid... But peak will suffer. The key is to pick where you want to be.
Could the gsxr be modified to run e85? And would it gain power?
@Raudel - the use of E85 is a trend in the car world and on the Internet. We feel its use in the normally aspirated motorcycle world is a waste of time/effort/money. MR12 will give far better results in the real-world .. that why we use it.
Seen a couple zx10rs with e85 they run good... it’s cheaper than 87 and Mr12 is to expensive but as far longevity I think it’s best to use gas made for the bike 91+ mr12 etc
Have you done away with the cat in the headers
yes. 0:44 Switched to the Alien Head 2 full exhaust system
Sprint, DNA, or K&N?
i have Zx14r and im using bmc air filter. should i switch to dna or to the f1 air filter
tatuksa the Sprint and DNA filters are both excellent and will help increase your performance. Personally, I like the easy cleaning of the Sprint Filter.
Nice!!!
F*c yeah!
Folk's that's a 230HP bike @ the crank.
Damn close!