@The Sixto Show Rewired Yes, there is kerchunking and also kerplunking which is similar but focuses more on plunking rather than chunking - as the name implies.
@@SonsOfLorgar Nicely put in a consice but engaging manner. I assume TL;DR means 'too long ; don't read' but to me your paragraphs landed like falling cherry blossoms on the page of life. There is of course kerflunking which is a failure to make any kind of sound at all, as in "I really kerflunked that one" or "its a right kerflunker" - you get the idea.
You know, the pre-Saiga 12 days are amazing to me. The amount of effort into just making a functional semi-auto shotgun, and without a tube magazine. And then the Russians just slap a box mag into an AK, and it works so much better.
Continue since I didn't actually mean to post that comment yet. the saiga 12 initially was just an AK with extra room made for ejection port and a larger barrel in a larger magwell and all that stuff. interesting ly they started with the better straighten certain magazine and downgraded to the rock and lock because that's what American market thought an AK should be. The problem was most first guns barely worked. They were so finicky about ammo. eventually they did some tuning with gas Port size and the big change was ditching the AK long stroke piston system and replacing with a tappet system. After they put in the tappet the guns worked. But they still had a limited range of animal that they worked with. the next development was put in a 2 position gas restrictor. that made them work with virtually everything so long as you got a gun that was assembled properly. these were refined by the American competitive market and improved a lot and some of those changes eventually made their way back into the izhmash guns as well as the Molot clones. Oddly their flagship model which is now closest to the Iz433 series prioritize in AK style rear sight block and removable gas tube in the process of incorporating that they removed the gas setting restrictor, which is a real down grade. The vepr 12 is cloned from that variant and originally shipped with the saiga-12 "police" magazines. For that reason the veprs also lack the gas restrictor.
Yeah, no kidding... By the time you figure out how to drop 12 shells of #00 out that thing and empty your usuable and decent .40 S&W full size sidearm with at least one spare 14-15 round mag and your subcompact backup with 13 and 10 capacity of 9mm... and you're doing things solo while attemping this... just go ahead and place between legs and kissing ass goodbye because the zombies or Bereauracy have overrun whatever hope you had.
@@TheWhoamaters Umm... anyone who deems the .40 S&W as weak needs a lesson. Those who know, and knowing is half the battle. If ya want something weaker, enroll junior s*** like a .32 ACP.
I mean, hey at least the "destructive device" motif actually makes some amount of sense. *"Oh no, this isn't a shotgun. Its a firearm."* Oh no, this isn't an SUV. Its a vehicle.
@@nooneinparticular5256 You're not wrong, it kind of is. At least it seems to mirror the mythology of the sword/messer thing, the reality of that situation is hard to verify.
@@MrYfrank14 😂👌 Im Canadian, and our gun laws are literally FUCKED. Count yourself Lucky. We had a version of your Mini 14 semi-auto we could buy I really wanted.. or just a Regular SKS for target shooting.. Now the Gov. whats to ban all semi-autos because the look deadly!!! Can't even have mags w. More than 10 rounds. My Grand-grandfather had a collection piece, a Small palm pistol almost, and the government made him replace the barel and firing pin with a piece of plastic.. instead of telling him to take the course, years ago when they changed laws.. They just want to take whats ours if its not good for them. Fight for your Rights, we have lost ours here...
@@JackLeMetis - they banned mags over 10 rounds here in the state of CT because a fruitcake shot up a school with a 30 round mag. They said if he had to reload, they could have jumped him. Police report said he fired 300 rounds. Bet you didnt know you could stuff 300 rounds into a 30 round mag. The rounds double in power if the mag is black.
In the early nineties I lived in the centre of Johannesburg then regarded as the murder capital of the World. I acquired the South African ARMSEL PROTECTA model that you mentioned for use in situations such as car hijacking and CQB for which it proved it invaluable. In a Country where the Police advised Citizens not to stop at red traffic lights at night outside the city centre it was comforting to have the Protecta sitting safely on the floor between the seats. The 90 deg. pivot of the front grip was quick and positive and I never had any kind of malfunction when using a mix of buckshot or slugs. At that time I also used the 9mm BXP machine pistol also a Rhodesian design produced in South Africa (No review yet ?) and the Stechkin
Most important was compactness together with high capacity. Then it was of a very simple mechanical (non gas) design very easy to maintain and repair if necessary. For usage, it comfortably operated at the shoulder aim position or from the hip stance. Finally, in my experience, the gun was totally reliable and a great confidence booster.
i would need to consider and then answer you but the most basic reasons it was a mix of local and national politics, a sense of having no future to better yourself by the black majority. you can also throw tribal rivalry and common criminality into the mix@@spazzypengin
I love how everyone came up with these super intricate designs and thought they'd be able to sell them to cops (who would break them by looking at them), only to have some drunk Russian go "What if AK, but shotgun?"
@@kingofthings7929 thats mostly british arms,3 guys in a shed made the Arctic warfare, and so on Soviet engineering needs lowpaid labor, low ethics, and a swig of vodka
Funny thing is that in the US at least, it is constitutionally legal to own "destructive devices". There was an actual case where a shipping merchant sent a letter to James Madison asking if he could put cannons on his ship to protect him from pirates and state navies that didn't recognize the US and Madison said it was perfectly fine.
Great info on change to DD status ......I love that it was the secretary of treasury that signed off. He's in charge of money so obviously he is a firearms expert.
I'm often curious as to where guns in games come from, especially when based off of real guns. In the STALKER game series, this gun shows up as the "Eliminator", and is very useful for dealing with groups of mutants. Still takes a while to reload, though, so you'd better be reloading the moment you get a chance. That said, it's fun to see that there's some sort of real research put into some of these games, even if they are just fiction in the end.
I saw the street sweeper video and personally I really think this one seems like a decent shotgun. It auto ejects the shells, it looks like its made of higher quality materials too
I believe why the Striker was banned while the Saiga wasn't would be due to the time period these exist. The Striker came into the market during the gun-control happy period with its name and marketing aggravating it; the AA-12 came while the battle for gun rights wasvon the offensive...
Funny story, my sister was playing resident evil 4 for the first time. I was guiding her all the way to where you meet the merchant telling her that you will meet one of the few friends you will have in this game. His introduction scenes begin. She forgets or does not get where he went even though the cut- scene just show her. I tell her on the side of shack she goes there see the merchant, scream, shoot him in the head; which is surprising to me because she found the control difficult and thus her aim was horrendous. She miss 99% of her shots. I start to scream why; she said that she thought it was a monster. I tell her that you just saw his cut- scene she said she forgot and I was more dumbfounded. I just sat there and said to myself "in all the way she took him down it was a head shot. A quick one too" then broke out laughing at the realization of all of our events. Good times. *Edit* I remember the incident being more stupid so I went to see the whole scene and there a second cut scene where you are then put in the sell menu. Meaning she conducted a transaction with him left the sale menu forget who she looking at scream and shoot in the face. I am going to show her this so I make fun of her again.
@@Gnarfendorf this seems like bait but hey, I'll bite. What makes this worse than any other semi-automatic shotgun, or any other shotgun for that matter? People who want guns like this banned largely don't know anything about guns, their functions, abilities, downsides, or even the gun laws we currently have. If it's because of the drum magazine, the reload time is prohibitively long, to the point a traditional magazine-fed or even tube-fed option would often be easier, faster, and more efficient as a result. It's literally only because it's scary-looking that anyone carea.
Exactly. I have a VR80 shotgun that looks like Usas 12 which was banned, made a destructive device, the main reason for buying the vr80 was it looked fun and like a large m16 I carried in the millitary and since the right to own Usas was taken from me I plan to buy at least 2 20rd drum for it.
@@jamesricker3997 Unfortunately criminals don't care about laws. I doubt that any criminal who is cruel enough to shoot innocent people has problems with owning illegal things.
No way! I was wanting more videos on this family of shotguns for a long time, the streetsweeper one is still one of my favorites because of how much you hate it (and make it obviously so during the video). I can't believe this hasn't shown up on my feed as it's already five days old and I just saw it for the first time, and immediately jumped on it to watch it. I was going to ask before long if you were interested in doing more videos on the family, so I'm glad I didn't waste my time asking that. I'm quite pleased.
I remember stomping the MF yard with this in MW2. Got all the Commando kiddies raging about HAX like it didn't hit with the full force of a wet noodle past 30 feet and they couldn't just, y'know, SHOOT me!
Lowkey, can we all just appreciate what a marvel of engineering this thing is, the guy was like, i have a drum, but no way to unload it, what if it unloaded itself?
I remember when your street sweeper video came out, it was the first video I ever saw on your channel. Back then you had 300k subs. You’ve come a long way Ian keep up the great work!
I can see the advantages of the Striker as a breaching weapon, but I like the idea of having two of them. You could potentially swap an empty Striker off to a partner, who'd give you a fresh one while they go through the full reloading process in a cleared area.
I mean the gun came from a Rhodesian man who then emigrated to south africa, "you know, 'cuz" the gun wasn't exactly designed for anything good or reasonable
5:51 Now I finally know why Leon (or whatever character you're playing as) does that weird twist with the front grip when reloading the Striker in RE4. Edit: An example at 5:47
Had a street legal one of these, bought new. Had violent recoil. Sold it to an individual before they were made a taxed item. ATF never contacted me to determine it's disposition. It wasn't a terrible weapon, but the recoil was greater than I wished to endure. Had a rather open pattern with buckshot, which could be advantageous in close quarters.
I had four of them .....I traded 3 for 3 Spectre assault pistols....9mm, 40 sw ,and 45 acp. Still have the spectres today. I use to set up at the local gunshows and my tables were the draw. My knife and gun collection was second to none around Jackson Ms. However after one of the venders that had a direct line to trijicon, were followed home ,all their firearms stolen and killed in Arkansas, I stopped setting up at gun shows. Have not been to one after that crime.The other one I had was traded for a set of corbra 428 heads.
I believe the British Arwen 37 came a out a few years before this would have. 5 round 37mm rotary drum for anti riot rounds/less lethal, although they aren't conventional 37mm grenades. Still in use too. Edited, Arwen not a Anwen.
The Penn arms/deftech 37mm and 40mm launchers use pretty much the same mechanical system save for a top break loading design instead of a fixed drum with a loading port.
I've lived near Ridgway my entire life and never knew the US Striker 12 was made there. I legitimately freaked out when I saw the manufacturers mark. It's so awesome to learn that such an iconic and infamous shotgun was produced so close to where I live.
I am from South Africa, and I used one of these, the fold over stock model without the auto eject. It is a very dangerous weapon to handle. Accidental discharges were plentiful. Picking up a Striker without the safety on, had a discharge. (it was issued that way, the issuing officer was on the other side when it went of, no injuries) put it too hard with the butt on the ground, it fired. (No injuries) Unloading it, also went off (no injuries). Otherwise my weapon of choice till today. Compact, easy to handle in close confined spaces, easy to sling over your shoulder. A great weapon to have in a vehicle. Little to no recoil.
They out to market it in 410 gage and call it the Striker 30 with an 18" barrel and folding stock to get around the destructive device designation problem. Great for those pesky squirrels.
If it was chambered for .410 then you could do the opposite of the Taurus Judge - a shotgun with .45 LC as a backup rather than the other way around. Just in case, for example, a bear got upset at the noise you were making while potting squirrels. Or the hyper evolved squirrel with kevlar fur, whichever you think is most likely :P
thanks for the review. nice special piece there. would be more practical for the user to reload in stress if they did a spring assisted revolver shotgun that could break open to manually remove used slugs. imagine you press a button to rotate open the cylinder pull a lever to half push/eject rounds then manually replace used rounds to lock back for action. keeping that manual spring intact to help with trigger weight.
The Saiga is simply a box magazine fed shotgun. Available drums are accessories. If you designed and submitted a new integral drum shotgun, the BATF would designate it as a destructive device. Great Video!
I find it deeply amusing how similar this thing is to like...drum-fed Nerf guns. They usually have some kind of button for cycling the drum so you can put darts in, just like this gun.
As a breacher, I would find the capacity to be just a bit much, 8 rounds would make the drum more compact and practical for that job. What it would be really practical for would be introducing gas, either into a house through ferret rounds, or into a crowd. 40mm is better, but the rounds are expensive and heavy. With this you could carry around 50 rounds, allowing you to push a crowd around quite a bit with OC-loaded impact munitions.
I love the engineering on this, so simple and efficient. Doesn't look very accurate or focused, but hey. Just don't bring it to a hostage rescue mission.
Ian, Please talk about your hatred of SBR's/AR pistols. I dont understand why you hate them so much and i cant find any q&a's where you discuss it. Thank you!
TOBA Tim maybe he’s just a pragmatist. AR pistols are just toys with no good use. Clumsy, loud, and too short of a barrel to take advantage of the rifle cartridge. SBRs for the same lack of barrel length for no real gain(sub 16”)
From InRange, that I understand it - Part of it is that 5.56 relies on velocity to be an effective round (that we all understand), part of it is that where Ian and Karl live they see the world in distance-shots for their SHTF arms. If one accepts both points, and relies upon a 16" or 18" barrel for 5.56, then 300 blackout, and other more apt cartridges for shorter barrels, just don't come into play - and, thus, aren't their focus. Meanwhile, the maximum distance I can see shooting, or even see, if I'm not up on top of a building, is about 100 to 150 yards. So an AR pistol (300 BO, or 11.5" or greater 5.56 barrel) is all I need, or ever foresee using here.
@@alexanderstrickland9036 How are they "clumsy"? They are more compact and have the potential to weigh less than a rifle or carbine. That is the rationale they used in the WWSD project when they settled on the 16" and 14.5" barrels over the 18"-20"+. You could argue that the braces aren't ideal and are uncomfortable compared to stocks (which most people would agree with), but some of the more modern adjustable ones come pretty damn close to a proper stock. Not to mention, a lot of places you could keep an ar pistol as a truck gun if you have a concealed carry license, where a long gun might cause a problem, specifically with regards to how the ammunition and firearm are being transported (a lot of places require them to be stored separate, in the trunk usually or something similar). Cartridges like 300 blackout can definitely perform well in shorter barrels. A 10.5" blackout will still have about the same energy as a 16" 5.56, and a 12" will have more (depending on how everything is loaded of course). I'm not completely sold on 5.56 from shorter barrels (
He's just a practical guy. I recall GJ saying the same thing on inrange TV or a q&a about bump stocks. The AR pistols do make fine suppressed machines with the right ammo!
It's impressive and a very clever design, I wonder why the rear of the ejection port wasn't curved to help throw out the spent cartridges (and help to feed new ones)?
i absolutely love Rhodesian firearms. they're just so shady and and "zip gun"esk even when it's a legitimate business lol. i would love a full auto komando btw if anyone's holding
10:07 i cite this as an example for the fund's who think their shotguns are safe from the ban hammer the look on their faces when they realize stroke of a pen their 870 is in the same class of weapons as a bazooka they look a little worried until they remember football season starts in a week and forget every word I just said to them.
Blood trail outdoors Survival i mean, the shells are called “birdshot” for a reason, so i’m assuming you can use it to hunt ducks just as long as you use birdshot.
very smart design in a compact pack, this is what weapons should have aspired to be, easy to produce, reliable and compact, like the akm and the scorpion.
I purchased this 25 years ago used. It jammed once in a while until I took it apart and realized it was put back together wrong. There is a long pin that goes through the cylinder and if the last 1/4 inch is not pushed through into the other side the cylinder isnt supported properly. Since I figured this out it hasn't jammed once in hundreds of rounds.
I just saw a copy of this at my local gun shop and if my country didn’t limit the amount of semi-auto guns we can own, I‘d definitely buy it just for the coolness factor. But sadly that‘ll have to wait a few more years until I get more spaces on my firearms license.
You truly can't expect ignoramuses and hoplophobes to care, much less learn any sort of nuance. The world view of gun control supporters is driven primarily by emotion because no one told them as a child that they can't just cry at a problem to solve it. Any sort of reasonable dialogue is largely lost on them, because they lack the objectivity required to approach the subject logically. As for the politicians, they're either covering their ass to keep a paycheck and not get voted out by said supporters, or they truly lack any sort of empathy, trust, or good will for their constituents.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime.htm I like how you generalize everyone because they don't want guns LOL. Come and argue your point and show me how guns are better for society because this link says otherwise.
ulfenburg oh yes so much better... hmm hey Chicago you have the strictest gun laws in the us right??? But you have the worst gun crime almost 20+ people killed a day. Oh hey Britain you can’t own any guns, but now you have people getting stabbed and acid thrown on them.
@@ulfenburg7539 try composing your own arguments instead linking what someone else told you to believe. Be your own man not an avatar for your ideology
"the whole cylinder goes kerchunk" I love how technical Ian is
Kerchunk is the technical term!
@The Sixto Show Rewired Yes, there is kerchunking and also kerplunking which is similar but focuses more on plunking rather than chunking - as the name implies.
Very onomatopoeic
@@SonsOfLorgar Nicely put in a consice but engaging manner. I assume TL;DR means 'too long ; don't read' but to me your paragraphs landed like falling cherry blossoms on the page of life. There is of course kerflunking which is a failure to make any kind of sound at all, as in "I really kerflunked that one" or "its a right kerflunker" - you get the idea.
@@afrog2666
You seem to have left out the ever dreaded grrrrrrr sound sometimes followed by a screeeeech.
Forget about Morphy Auctions, I would only buy this from a shady, trench coat wearing Australian, or possibly kiwi, in the middle of rural Spain
w0t are you boyin'??
w0t are ya sellin?
NOT ENOFF CASH, STRANGAH!!!
Heh heh heh, thank you.
I see you have an eye for things. Gun's not just about shootin. It's about reloadin. You'll know what I'm talkin about
You know, the pre-Saiga 12 days are amazing to me. The amount of effort into just making a functional semi-auto shotgun, and without a tube magazine. And then the Russians just slap a box mag into an AK, and it works so much better.
You see, Ivan, when replace boolets with shells, AK make more holes in enemy.
imagine thinking saigas are good
Bigger ejection cut in the dust cover and piston rod and a bit streighened front end of a reciever, that's about all the difference.
As a bit of an expert on the saiga 12 itself, that's not really an accurate representation at the development.
Continue since I didn't actually mean to post that comment yet. the saiga 12 initially was just an AK with extra room made for ejection port and a larger barrel in a larger magwell and all that stuff. interesting ly they started with the better straighten certain magazine and downgraded to the rock and lock because that's what American market thought an AK should be. The problem was most first guns barely worked. They were so finicky about ammo. eventually they did some tuning with gas Port size and the big change was ditching the AK long stroke piston system and replacing with a tappet system. After they put in the tappet the guns worked. But they still had a limited range of animal that they worked with. the next development was put in a 2 position gas restrictor. that made them work with virtually everything so long as you got a gun that was assembled properly. these were refined by the American competitive market and improved a lot and some of those changes eventually made their way back into the izhmash guns as well as the Molot clones. Oddly their flagship model which is now closest to the Iz433 series prioritize in AK style rear sight block and removable gas tube in the process of incorporating that they removed the gas setting restrictor, which is a real down grade. The vepr 12 is cloned from that variant and originally shipped with the saiga-12 "police" magazines. For that reason the veprs also lack the gas restrictor.
“Lengthy reloading process”
If 12 rounds of buckshot isn’t enough, I’m not making it out either way lol.
True:D
Yeah, no kidding...
By the time you figure out how to drop 12 shells of #00 out that thing and empty your usuable and decent .40 S&W full size sidearm with at least one spare 14-15 round mag and your subcompact backup with 13 and 10 capacity of 9mm...
and you're doing things solo while attemping this... just go ahead and place between legs and kissing ass goodbye because the zombies or Bereauracy have overrun whatever hope you had.
@@SuperEvilmonkey88 Who bothers to carry .40 Short and Weak
@@TheWhoamaters
Umm... anyone who deems the .40 S&W as weak needs a lesson.
Those who know, and knowing is half the battle. If ya want something weaker, enroll junior s*** like a .32 ACP.
@@SuperEvilmonkey88 It's not a substantial enough difference to make a difference compared to 9mm
I mean, hey at least the "destructive device" motif actually makes some amount of sense.
*"Oh no, this isn't a shotgun. Its a firearm."*
Oh no, this isn't an SUV. Its a vehicle.
*laughs in shockwave*
“This isnt an sbr,this hole makes it a brace and now a pistol” wippppeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
What, is this that whole sword/messer thing, again?
@@nooneinparticular5256 You're not wrong, it kind of is. At least it seems to mirror the mythology of the sword/messer thing, the reality of that situation is hard to verify.
Ahh the street sweeper
(Pictures people waking down street shooting at leafs, drains, trash)
Now this is what America was made for!
I would love to do the public a service by using blanks as a leaf blower lol
Do they look like Charles Bronson, Steven Segal and Dirty Harry?
*CASELESS BLANKS INTENSIFIES*
@@blackwoodsecurity531 who will clean up your casings them?
Another guy with a street sweeper behind me. Duh.
Us Congress: These shotguns are destructive devices!
Me: *laughs in Saiga 12
*Vepr 12
CT banned the AR-15 but not the mini 14.
apparently, .223 is only a deadly military round when fired from a black gun.
color increases the velocity.
@@MrYfrank14 just like a red car making it go faster. if it has a red dot sight and adjustable stock its for killing children and police officers.
@@MrYfrank14 😂👌 Im Canadian, and our gun laws are literally FUCKED. Count yourself Lucky. We had a version of your Mini 14 semi-auto we could buy I really wanted.. or just a Regular SKS for target shooting.. Now the Gov. whats to ban all semi-autos because the look deadly!!! Can't even have mags w. More than 10 rounds. My Grand-grandfather had a collection piece, a Small palm pistol almost, and the government made him replace the barel and firing pin with a piece of plastic.. instead of telling him to take the course, years ago when they changed laws.. They just want to take whats ours if its not good for them. Fight for your Rights, we have lost ours here...
@@JackLeMetis - they banned mags over 10 rounds here in the state of CT because a fruitcake shot up a school with a 30 round mag. They said if he had to reload, they could have jumped him.
Police report said he fired 300 rounds.
Bet you didnt know you could stuff 300 rounds into a 30 round mag.
The rounds double in power if the mag is black.
That one disliker is still reloading this gun.
Lol
Now there is 2 that forgot to wind it.
I never used it in Modern Warfare 2 for that very reason, you fire a few rounds and die on reload.
@@xmm-cf5eg to me it's ammo capacity makes it worth using
KAMIKAZE 😂😂😂😂
In the early nineties I lived in the centre of Johannesburg then regarded as the murder capital of the World. I acquired the South African ARMSEL PROTECTA model that you mentioned for use in situations such as car hijacking and CQB for which it proved it invaluable. In a Country where the Police advised Citizens not to stop at red traffic lights at night outside the city centre it was comforting to have the Protecta sitting safely on the floor between the seats. The 90 deg. pivot of the front grip was quick and positive and I never had any kind of malfunction when using a mix of buckshot or slugs. At that time I also used the 9mm BXP machine pistol also a Rhodesian design produced in South Africa (No review yet ?) and the Stechkin
so they got rid of apartheid and it became the murder capital of the world? huh
ANC why do you think it was so dangerous?
Sorry, I mean "And."
Most important was compactness together with high capacity. Then it was of a very simple mechanical (non gas) design very easy to maintain and repair if necessary. For usage, it comfortably operated at the shoulder aim position or from the hip stance. Finally, in my experience, the gun was totally reliable and a great confidence booster.
@@barryfeagan3969 yeah I meant ANC why do you think ZA was so dangerous. A play on words because of how bad the ANC ruined ZA.
i would need to consider and then answer you but the most basic reasons it was a mix of local and national politics, a sense of having no future to better yourself by the black majority. you can also throw tribal rivalry and common criminality into the mix@@spazzypengin
I love how everyone came up with these super intricate designs and thought they'd be able to sell them to cops (who would break them by looking at them), only to have some drunk Russian go "What if AK, but shotgun?"
Saigas did have a lot of RnD to get it realiable, so not exactly a vodka swig and a night in the shed, but at least it's a proven platform
@@ArcturusOTE I always figured the Russian definition of RnD was a swig of Vodka and a night in the shed.
@@kingofthings7929 thats mostly british arms,3 guys in a shed made the Arctic warfare, and so on Soviet engineering needs lowpaid labor, low ethics, and a swig of vodka
What is RnD if not a bottle of your national liquor and long nights in the shed
@@kingofthings7929 🤣
Funny thing is that in the US at least, it is constitutionally legal to own "destructive devices". There was an actual case where a shipping merchant sent a letter to James Madison asking if he could put cannons on his ship to protect him from pirates and state navies that didn't recognize the US and Madison said it was perfectly fine.
Yeah what year
that was before democrats.
You can buy black powder cannons now at least in some states. Our local internet gun fourm has a civil war one right now for $15000.00
@@az12223 rights do not change based on time
Yeah all these weapon laws are unconstitutional
"A _baby_ Striker12."
*Awww*
It's the Maggie Simpson of the firearm world!
Instead of goo goo gaga it makes that adorable little "kerchunk".
Missed the chance to name this video "Neater than the Streetsweeper".
Can change the video titles
“Ladies’ Home Companion but actually thought through and not made by someone that would lose a chess match to a half-eaten bowl of oatmeal.”
Neatsweeper?
You can be a king or a streetsweeper, but you all gonna dance with the grim reaper
"Sweeter than the streetsweeper" is another alternative.
Great info on change to DD status ......I love that it was the secretary of treasury that signed off.
He's in charge of money so obviously he is a firearms expert.
I'm often curious as to where guns in games come from, especially when based off of real guns. In the STALKER game series, this gun shows up as the "Eliminator", and is very useful for dealing with groups of mutants. Still takes a while to reload, though, so you'd better be reloading the moment you get a chance. That said, it's fun to see that there's some sort of real research put into some of these games, even if they are just fiction in the end.
Neat game bruh.
I still remember this being in Max Payne 2 where Max could insta-reload(the drum is treated as detachable) it while doing a John Woo spin in slo-mo.
@Philosophy is pain yup jackhammer.
@Philosophy is pain that is on Max Payne 1
While spinning in "Bullet Time"tm (lol) with doves flying (why not)
@UC9asFyJ7bMb18cd_MNG57tQ still are fantastic. I still loved no.3.
@@brunoss6969 Correct.
"You can load it on Sunday, and still be loading it all week long". Take that Henry Rifles.
If they had your marketing prowess, they'd probably still be around
@@pieterse4075 better get pump action..with little bit of modifications 4-5 rounds in single load..
But you'll still spend all sunday loading it.
Have Fun when emptying your drum
Even More fun when loading it
What can ye say? Haha
@@pieterse4075 how ironic of *you* to say that
Wish we could have these in the UK. Imagine turning up to a pheasant shoot in a tweed suit with one of these puppies.
Could show up with a section 1 saiga 12, that'd turn some head, especially with the 24" barrel on the UK legals version
Hunter from LXG movie: "Dashed Unsporting! Probably Belgian" (proceeds to shoot at enemy with a shotgun...)
"Cheerio lads!"
BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM
Hell, try taking it for clays
@Viscous Shear The tweed boys fudds are why the laws are as bad as they are in the UK
I saw this and immediately heard “Whaddya buyin’?”
huh
stranger...stranger now that's a weapon
exactly
"HEHEHEHEH, _thank you!"_
Not only will you need cash, but you'll need GUTS to buy that weapon!
I saw the street sweeper video and personally I really think this one seems like a decent shotgun. It auto ejects the shells, it looks like its made of higher quality materials too
Stryker/"Street Sweeper"; ILLEGAL ILLEGAL DESTRUCTIVE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Saiga 12 w/ drum; ayyyyyyyyy.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you America.
Clever McGenericName good ole dumb gun laws
AK "pistol" is ok, this isn't.
Reasons.
I believe why the Striker was banned while the Saiga wasn't would be due to the time period these exist. The Striker came into the market during the gun-control happy period with its name and marketing aggravating it; the AA-12 came while the battle for gun rights wasvon the offensive...
America poisoned by socialists.
@@calvingreene90 I am not going to argue with that topic because you won't even like my answer for that...
RAMIREZ! TAKE DOWN THE ENTIRE RUSSIAN MILITARY WITH THIS STRIKER 12!
Worth stealing one on Honey Badger for the house clearances.
I miss the Ramirez memes
> THIS :D
@@Wenjo936 We all do my friend :(
*DEFEND BURGERTOWN!*
AHHHH, illl buy it at a high price.
"Wottaya boyin?"
No inof cash! Streeennger!
RE4
BAM! KHERCHING! BAM! KHERCHING!
Funny story, my sister was playing resident evil 4 for the first time. I was guiding her all the way to where you meet the merchant telling her that you will meet one of the few friends you will have in this game. His introduction scenes begin. She forgets or does not get where he went even though the cut- scene just show her. I tell her on the side of shack she goes there see the merchant, scream, shoot him in the head; which is surprising to me because she found the control difficult and thus her aim was horrendous. She miss 99% of her shots. I start to scream why; she said that she thought it was a monster. I tell her that you just saw his cut- scene she said she forgot and I was more dumbfounded. I just sat there and said to myself "in all the way she took him down it was a head shot. A quick one too" then broke out laughing at the realization of all of our events. Good times.
*Edit* I remember the incident being more stupid so I went to see the whole scene and there a second cut scene where you are then put in the sell menu. Meaning she conducted a transaction with him left the sale menu forget who she looking at scream and shoot in the face. I am going to show her this so I make fun of her again.
It’s insane to me that this is still listed as a Destructive Device while there are way better shotguns available
It appeared in Call of Duty. That's the deciding factor
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Just shows how little gun grabbers actually know about guns. They don't ban guns for function. They ban them because they look scary.
@@grenworthshero Maybe, but you gotta admit, this gun has no proper purpose on the civilian market, why would you want it to be not be banned?
@@Gnarfendorf this seems like bait but hey, I'll bite. What makes this worse than any other semi-automatic shotgun, or any other shotgun for that matter? People who want guns like this banned largely don't know anything about guns, their functions, abilities, downsides, or even the gun laws we currently have. If it's because of the drum magazine, the reload time is prohibitively long, to the point a traditional magazine-fed or even tube-fed option would often be easier, faster, and more efficient as a result. It's literally only because it's scary-looking that anyone carea.
"The Street Sweeper" "What is it's intended use?" "Protest defusi- I mean home defence with a big drum mag"
Thats what I knew it as. The Street Sweeper
Best shotgun in STALKER Call of Prypiat
For when a Chimera is decidedly too far into your comfort zone.
And no RPG's available either.
Еест брат
@@DGARedRaven That's what underbarrel grenade lauchers were for.
@@Arthurzeiro Try to get grenade launcher ammo without buying.
Unique Winchester ftw!
Who remembers Ian's old vid on the street sweeper
We all do. We remember EVERTHING!
Firing it is Unpleasant but I'll do it for you guys :)
"It's true.... all of it"
Pepperidge Farms remembers
Oli Pepridge Farm remembers. haha 🤣
"Not for sporting purposes" aka it's fun to use
They must have a different version of the constitution we want have, mine doesn't have the words sporting use in it.
be great for home defence.
Exactly. I have a VR80 shotgun that looks like Usas 12 which was banned, made a destructive device, the main reason for buying the vr80 was it looked fun and like a large m16 I carried in the millitary and since the right to own Usas was taken from me I plan to buy at least 2 20rd drum for it.
They were becoming popular in drive-by shootings. Lots of innocent civilians were getting shot.
@@jamesricker3997 Unfortunately criminals don't care about laws.
I doubt that any criminal who is cruel enough to shoot innocent people has problems with owning illegal things.
I kept one of these in the trunk of my cruiser along with other specialized weapons ... great stuff!
No way! I was wanting more videos on this family of shotguns for a long time, the streetsweeper one is still one of my favorites because of how much you hate it (and make it obviously so during the video). I can't believe this hasn't shown up on my feed as it's already five days old and I just saw it for the first time, and immediately jumped on it to watch it. I was going to ask before long if you were interested in doing more videos on the family, so I'm glad I didn't waste my time asking that. I'm quite pleased.
Ah yes, I remember when this shit was overpowered in MW3
The good old days
Gerarghini Huzzah! A man of quality!
I remember stomping the MF yard with this in MW2. Got all the Commando kiddies raging about HAX like it didn't hit with the full force of a wet noodle past 30 feet and they couldn't just, y'know, SHOOT me!
I was always an AA-12 man myself, god the AA was ugly in MW3.
@@xmm-cf5eg I was a mp7 man
Lowkey, can we all just appreciate what a marvel of engineering this thing is, the guy was like, i have a drum, but no way to unload it, what if it unloaded itself?
Also, what if we make it spring operated instead of mechanically, but not like a slide?
I remember when your street sweeper video came out, it was the first video I ever saw on your channel. Back then you had 300k subs. You’ve come a long way Ian keep up the great work!
Stanger...stranger! Now thats a weapon!
"for all its association with Cobray and stupidness"
Cobray in one sentence.
I can see the advantages of the Striker as a breaching weapon, but I like the idea of having two of them. You could potentially swap an empty Striker off to a partner, who'd give you a fresh one while they go through the full reloading process in a cleared area.
I had one of these for several years, wish I had kept it. Honestly I would prefer this for home defense vs a shockwave.
"this neat gun came out, and then some politicians ruined it for everyone."
As they do with relative regularity
Mossberg and Remington hate competition. Just fuck the established indistries deep inside.
Thing is that it's not much of a loss, Its a horrible gun to use. Only thing interesting is the novelty of it being a revolver like shotgun.
I mean the gun came from a Rhodesian man who then emigrated to south africa, "you know, 'cuz" the gun wasn't exactly designed for anything good or reasonable
They just ruin all the fun
Another of my fave firearms of all time.South African small arms came out with some great stuff
"Cobray and stupidness, [but I repeat myself]"
I'm a big fan of Cobray myself. Gotta admire a company that had so many of its products banned and regulated. 😁👍
Cobray is my favorite American arms manufacturer
The ATF hated Cobray, which makes me love them lol
I actually got a chuckle out of that statement 😆
5:51 Now I finally know why Leon (or whatever character you're playing as) does that weird twist with the front grip when reloading the Striker in RE4.
Edit: An example at 5:47
Yes, that os Leon
Honestly have never reloaded the striker in re4
I don't normally like shotguns, but I liked this one a lot. Thanks, Ian.
Had a street legal one of these, bought new. Had violent recoil. Sold it to an individual before they were made a taxed item. ATF never contacted me to determine it's disposition.
It wasn't a terrible weapon, but the recoil was greater than I wished to endure. Had a rather open pattern with buckshot, which could be advantageous in close quarters.
I had four of them .....I traded 3 for 3 Spectre assault pistols....9mm, 40 sw ,and 45 acp. Still have the spectres today. I use to set up at the local gunshows and my tables were the draw. My knife and gun collection was second to none around Jackson Ms. However after one of the venders that had a direct line to trijicon, were followed home ,all their firearms stolen and killed in Arkansas, I stopped setting up at gun shows. Have not been to one after that crime.The other one I had was traded for a set of corbra 428 heads.
I'm from South Africa and had the Protecta model of this. Was common back in the day but hardly see them now.
Time to speedrun RE4 with this bad boy and the Ditman Glitch.
That's a clever design. I wonder if that's where the grenade launcher design came from.
I believe the British Arwen 37 came a out a few years before this would have. 5 round 37mm rotary drum for anti riot rounds/less lethal, although they aren't conventional 37mm grenades. Still in use too. Edited, Arwen not a Anwen.
I remember picking this gun up in the Burger Town MW2 mission has a kid and wondering why wasn't the grenade launcher blowing things up :D
The Penn arms/deftech 37mm and 40mm launchers use pretty much the same mechanical system save for a top break loading design instead of a fixed drum with a loading port.
“Hey, check out this neat semi-automatic revolving shotgun!”
“That’s cool, but how can we make it fuck even more shit up at once?”
@@metallicarchaea1820 the Hawk Engineering MM-1 grenade launcher was featured in the Christopher Walken movie The Dogs Of War for anyone interested
Just another big ass revolver from South Africa like the MGL. It must in some future Terminator movie.😎
The first thing I did when MW3 came out was trying this gun without Sleight of Hand perk...
*It's still reloading the first cylinder*
Maybe instead of playing modern warfare you should learn how to spell “ cylinder”
@@thatoneblackpriorthatbeatuonfh tell that to sulinders parents g
“Cobray and stupidness” is my new favorite line
That's a really cool shotgun. Well designed with a cool operating mechanism.
When I buy from auctions I only by guns that have been blessed by gun Jesus. Peace be with you.
Amen and blessings be upon you.
@@grendelgrendelsson5493 and also with you.
Praise Jesus! 👍
When do we get a Steyr TMP review? :D I would love to know way more about that gun!
Tronnus mmmmm.......Steyr
Also curious when he’ll get around to a Fn Five seveN
Yes! I've been asking for that for a year!
@@jasonarmstrong5750 the channel is FORGOTTEN weapons, not super popula right now weapons. If you forget the FiveseveN, tell me and I'll remind you
I've lived near Ridgway my entire life and never knew the US Striker 12 was made there. I legitimately freaked out when I saw the manufacturers mark. It's so awesome to learn that such an iconic and infamous shotgun was produced so close to where I live.
I am from South Africa, and I used one of these, the fold over stock model without the auto eject. It is a very dangerous weapon to handle.
Accidental discharges were plentiful. Picking up a Striker without the safety on, had a discharge. (it was issued that way, the issuing officer was on the other side when it went of, no injuries) put it too hard with the butt on the ground, it fired. (No injuries) Unloading it, also went off (no injuries). Otherwise my weapon of choice till today. Compact, easy to handle in close confined spaces, easy to sling over your shoulder. A great weapon to have in a vehicle. Little to no recoil.
Just love how Ian says "KCHONK"
I remember how overpowered this weapon in Call Of Duty and Resident Evil games
All I think of when I see it is mag dumping a squad of Russians in a Gas Station
Always thought this gun was South African. Unless sth Africa has a really really similar gun...
It's in RE4.
MW2 and MW3 had decent stats and realism of it.
Grubby bum Rhodesia / South Africa as explained in the video.
The idea is solid, had the thing had (quickly) detachable magazines, it would have been a seriously viable shotgun for quite a while.
It's a damn shame that it's not a very good shotgun, because I really like the aesthetic of it.
When Ian says the words South Africa and firearm in a presentation, you know shit is about to get real.
Interesting video as always....i hope you’ll eventually do a video on the USAS-12 and AA-12. my favorite full auto shotguns.
They out to market it in 410 gage and call it the Striker 30 with an 18" barrel and folding stock to get around the destructive device designation problem. Great for those pesky squirrels.
Still has the scary name though - change it to "Church Charity Turkey Shoot 30" and give the stock a faux wood grain finish and you're good to go.
If it was chambered for .410 then you could do the opposite of the Taurus Judge - a shotgun with .45 LC as a backup rather than the other way around. Just in case, for example, a bear got upset at the noise you were making while potting squirrels. Or the hyper evolved squirrel with kevlar fur, whichever you think is most likely :P
What's wrong with squirrels?
I had thought to perhaps re-do it into 16 gauge or perhaps 20 for the wimpy among us, thus avoid the 1/2 inch designation.
They pretty much did, but as a .45/70 pistol that could chamber .410, Ian has a video on one, the Cobray Lady's Home Companion
We all know this gun from call of duty. This gun was a beast in the games
thanks for the review. nice special piece there. would be more practical for the user to reload in stress if they did a spring assisted revolver shotgun that could break open to manually remove used slugs. imagine you press a button to rotate open the cylinder pull a lever to half push/eject rounds then manually replace used rounds to lock back for action. keeping that manual spring intact to help with trigger weight.
You bring us great firearm knowledge and that's what I appreciates about ya
The Saiga is simply a box magazine fed shotgun. Available drums are accessories. If you designed and submitted a new integral drum shotgun, the BATF would designate it as a destructive device. Great Video!
I find it deeply amusing how similar this thing is to like...drum-fed Nerf guns. They usually have some kind of button for cycling the drum so you can put darts in, just like this gun.
"Here it has a rail for some laser mount..."
A normal laser for such short-barrel shotguns is a red light bulb with sieve on it)))
I always call this thing the "Cuckoo clock shotgun" because of the winding mechanism in the drum. It's beautiful.
I wish I had one. It’s beautiful!
As a breacher, I would find the capacity to be just a bit much, 8 rounds would make the drum more compact and practical for that job. What it would be really practical for would be introducing gas, either into a house through ferret rounds, or into a crowd. 40mm is better, but the rounds are expensive and heavy. With this you could carry around 50 rounds, allowing you to push a crowd around quite a bit with OC-loaded impact munitions.
I love the engineering on this, so simple and efficient. Doesn't look very accurate or focused, but hey. Just don't bring it to a hostage rescue mission.
Ian, Please talk about your hatred of SBR's/AR pistols. I dont understand why you hate them so much and i cant find any q&a's where you discuss it. Thank you!
TOBA Tim maybe he’s just a pragmatist.
AR pistols are just toys with no good use. Clumsy, loud, and too short of a barrel to take advantage of the rifle cartridge.
SBRs for the same lack of barrel length for no real gain(sub 16”)
He has talked a fair bit about it, perhaps in specific gun videos but perhaps more on his InRangeTV content.
From InRange, that I understand it - Part of it is that 5.56 relies on velocity to be an effective round (that we all understand), part of it is that where Ian and Karl live they see the world in distance-shots for their SHTF arms. If one accepts both points, and relies upon a 16" or 18" barrel for 5.56, then 300 blackout, and other more apt cartridges for shorter barrels, just don't come into play - and, thus, aren't their focus.
Meanwhile, the maximum distance I can see shooting, or even see, if I'm not up on top of a building, is about 100 to 150 yards. So an AR pistol (300 BO, or 11.5" or greater 5.56 barrel) is all I need, or ever foresee using here.
@@alexanderstrickland9036 How are they "clumsy"?
They are more compact and have the potential to weigh less than a rifle or carbine. That is the rationale they used in the WWSD project when they settled on the 16" and 14.5" barrels over the 18"-20"+. You could argue that the braces aren't ideal and are uncomfortable compared to stocks (which most people would agree with), but some of the more modern adjustable ones come pretty damn close to a proper stock.
Not to mention, a lot of places you could keep an ar pistol as a truck gun if you have a concealed carry license, where a long gun might cause a problem, specifically with regards to how the ammunition and firearm are being transported (a lot of places require them to be stored separate, in the trunk usually or something similar).
Cartridges like 300 blackout can definitely perform well in shorter barrels. A 10.5" blackout will still have about the same energy as a 16" 5.56, and a 12" will have more (depending on how everything is loaded of course). I'm not completely sold on 5.56 from shorter barrels (
He's just a practical guy. I recall GJ saying the same thing on inrange TV or a q&a about bump stocks. The AR pistols do make fine suppressed machines with the right ammo!
I have a soft spot for unique gun designs.
What a cool gun. "Used" it in different games.
Bank robber to police: "Time out" I gotta wind my gun up.....
It's impressive and a very clever design, I wonder why the rear of the ejection port wasn't curved to help throw out the spent cartridges (and help to feed new ones)?
'less lethal rounds because.. you're the police'
Urm HKPF would like a word
Spicy
Killing civvies with a QBZ like there's no tomorrow.
@Magni56"𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥 15 𝘴𝘰𝘤𝘪𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘵 𝘱𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵"
@Magni56 what about any social credit system at all, without all the additional specifiers you added?
Well technically to maim and destroy is less lethal as long as no one dies...
Gun God Ian you know so much we all thank you for sharing your knowledge of the lost an forgotten
I had a street sweeper back in the day. Loved it!
Wait...is this a reupload XDXDXD
Of course I'm kidding. Still, it has been years since his last cover of the Protecta and "Lady's Home Companion"
"intended for law enforcement use"
I've seen the movie Zulu. I understand exactly what it's intended for.
Meanwhile Call of duty cold war :
let me hold a stunt grenade and run around with a laser holding it with one hand
the streetsweeper and striker 12 are different
Man i love Forgotten weapons its basically the history channel for guns
Using this in the modern warfare games was awesome
i absolutely love Rhodesian firearms. they're just so shady and and "zip gun"esk even when it's a legitimate business lol. i would love a full auto komando btw if anyone's holding
Kiss your wrist goodbye
10:07 i cite this as an example for the fund's who think their shotguns are safe from the ban hammer the look on their faces when they realize stroke of a pen their 870 is in the same class of weapons as a bazooka they look a little worried until they remember football season starts in a week and forget every word I just said to them.
That last bit is too damn true. Bread and circuses...
Dude cool gun I wish that was in my arsenal. (I wonder if u could go duck hunting with that)
Too many rounds
Fuck no. Too clunky and bulky and not very ergonomic.
Hunting rifle would do the job better than this gun.
You can go duck hunting with anything if you're brave enough. *loads cannon*
Blood trail outdoors Survival i mean, the shells are called “birdshot” for a reason, so i’m assuming you can use it to hunt ducks just as long as you use birdshot.
very smart design in a compact pack, this is what weapons should have aspired to be, easy to produce, reliable and compact, like the akm and the scorpion.
"Secretary of the treasury" made the decision. You gotta be fucking with me
MW2 lied to me about how this gun is reloaded
That one also had a stock, so who knows
I think a lot of the reliability problems with self loading shotguns are due this huge differences in shotgun ammo.
I purchased this 25 years ago used. It jammed once in a while until I took it apart and realized it was put back together wrong. There is a long pin that goes through the cylinder and if the last 1/4 inch is not pushed through into the other side the cylinder isnt supported properly. Since I figured this out it hasn't jammed once in hundreds of rounds.
but if you upgrade it it'll hold 99 shells and you practically never have to reload again!
I just saw a copy of this at my local gun shop and if my country didn’t limit the amount of semi-auto guns we can own, I‘d definitely buy it just for the coolness factor.
But sadly that‘ll have to wait a few more years until I get more spaces on my firearms license.
I adore Ian's very objective presentation of restrictive laws and such. Not really expressing opinion as much as the way that it just *is*.
The typical let’s ban it bc it sounds and looks “scary”
You truly can't expect ignoramuses and hoplophobes to care, much less learn any sort of nuance. The world view of gun control supporters is driven primarily by emotion because no one told them as a child that they can't just cry at a problem to solve it. Any sort of reasonable dialogue is largely lost on them, because they lack the objectivity required to approach the subject logically. As for the politicians, they're either covering their ass to keep a paycheck and not get voted out by said supporters, or they truly lack any sort of empathy, trust, or good will for their constituents.
@@Hanzer-ns5bh people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime.htm
I like how you generalize everyone because they don't want guns LOL. Come and argue your point and show me how guns are better for society because this link says otherwise.
ulfenburg oh yes so much better... hmm hey Chicago you have the strictest gun laws in the us right??? But you have the worst gun crime almost 20+ people killed a day. Oh hey Britain you can’t own any guns, but now you have people getting stabbed and acid thrown on them.
@@ulfenburg7539 try composing your own arguments instead linking what someone else told you to believe. Be your own man not an avatar for your ideology
Our politicians are obsolete.
Ramirez, grab that shotgun and stop the Russian Invasion!
This Gun mentioned and used in Resident Evil 4 by Leon S. Kennedy
Really makes me appreciate how simple my Saiga 12 is to load... and unload
This doesn't seem that bad at all... With practice it seems like it would be easily reloaded in under a minute.
@@TheFrogInYourClosetWatchingYou Oh yeah, it's like loading a revolver. Just not quite as quick as modern box magazines are lol
Very cool, never really wanted one, but I love how u break down the origins and laws around everything.
I smell Modern Warfare 2/3 in this video
Lorenzo De Nicola Resident Evil 4
Lorenzo De Nicola Army of Two DAO-X