Semi automatic with only two rounds capacity. So it is capable of doing the exact same thing as a double barrel but with significantly more complexity and chance for malfunction. Excellent!!
"Hey Charles" "Yeah? " "You gonna put the magazine tube on the shotgun or... " "Nah, I'm just gonna give it two shots and say it's the shotgun of the future! " "Oh... Ok! :3"
@@BType13X2 From what I heard it was to do with the ammo it used at the time. During my days in the territorial's. I could train and use the M16a2 or the FN50 slr. The 16 would jam. Never had a problem with the slr.
Don't forget Most states have a 3 round limit for a hunting shotgun and lot of shotguns come with a plastic rod to limit the amount of cartridges you can get in the tube specifically for hunting, I'm sure this was part of the thought process designing this not as a combat shotgun.
We have seen many different versions of Ian over the years. Civil War Ian, Secret WWI Agent Ian, etc. But this iteration is my favorite so far........Aluminum Salesman Ian.
Hard to load, two round capacity, cheap looking plastic furniture, aluminum barrel, and kicks like a mule? I can't imagine why these weren't a commercial success.
to be fair... considering it hadnt been done before, i'm guessing they underestimated how much it would kick, and how many rounds people put through a shotgun in one sitting. their goal was to make the lightest shotgun possible, and you could say they did that. and the cheap plastic furniture was a compromise made on quite a few guns of that era to save on weight, and polymer wasnt really a thing in guns yet, so i'll even give them a pass on that. but an over engineered semi auto platform with less functionality than a double barrel, thats not forgivable. hell they coulda made the exact same aluminum frame and barrel with plastic furniture on a double barrel and done better
I had two thoughts upon rewatching this: 1. How securely is that second round held in place? It looks like it could shake loose during an active hunt. 2. There's nothing protecting that loading port from mud and dirt. Not a great feature for a gun marketed at waterfowl hunters.
The man in the ad at 2:34 is actor Robert Stack, famous for his appearance in the film Airplane!, and many others. At one time he was shotgunning champion of the United States. This is a very rare though deeply flawed gun, thank you for showing it to us.
It looks beautiful. It seems like it was the inspiration for the golden Shotgun in Prey 2017. But also lol semiauto but 2 shot capacity. Yeah, the channel’s called “Forgotten Weapons”, and it turns out that a lot of these guns were forgotten for *damn good reason.*
It strikes me that ArmaLite's fundamental problem was their top-down focus on lightness. Instead of asking shotgun shooters what they wanted and then designing a lighter gun that would meet those needs, they came up with this freak and then pushed it at people as the shotgun of the future.
I mean, I can see why it would be appealing to competition shooters, as there are shotguns like it today, the idea is you have two rounds on tap, but only one barrel, which means you never have to account for the difference between the sights and the different barrels, which is one less thing to compensate and account for in your head
My uncle had a Remington 1100 shotgun with the fiberglass barrel. It was awesome! It actually had a thin steel sleeve in the fiberglass barrel, but I could shoot skeet better with that gun than my own! I’d give plenty to have that gun, my cousin lost it through some in-law family matters. I don’t know if it was as light as this AR shotgun? But it was light for a semi-auto shotgun.
Read your comment even before the sound comes in the video. Got so triggered, I even felt it in my teeth. This fragging sound of hell. Triggered me so much, I answer a 2 years old comment. Aaargh.
No One Ever: I was kinda looking for an over priced automatic shotgun that 70 year old double barrel shotguns will laugh at. Armalite design team: Hold my beer.
I used to hunt with a friend, a coworker in the 70s and used his AR17 a few times. He was pretty fast at loading a third round. But I recognized a two found shortcoming like an over/under or double (I think a double may be a bit faster). Lighter but recoiled more than my 870. I was issued a M16 in VN so I was used to weapons designed by the company. Thanks for the video.
This is the perfect gun for a Fudd who's a little semi-auto curious, but still needs his inferior shell capacity 'cause positive change frightens his feeble mind.
grins.. did you know that Aluminum didn't get its name by an American.. but a Brit.. Humphry Davy who named the stuff aluminum after his first proposal, alumium got rejected by contemporary chemists all over Europe.. then it changed back n forth a couple of times on both sides of the ocean n by both the public n scientific communities.. often scientists using one spelling n the public the opposite.. it's all quite silly..
@@philipbohi983 eh, they're ok for about 500 rds or so, then they get pretty temperamental. But for less than $200 that's not so bad. Then you can always just beat your assailant to death with the poly brick lol.
it sounds like the gat gun I had as a kid...you kno the one where you press the barrel on the ground to cock it an unscrew a pin at the back to put pellets in....loved my gat
This is by far one of my top favorite videos of all time of this channel for some reason. This gun and it’s history is so appreciatively toy gunnish, futurish, crazy!!👍👍👍👍
I love your videos. Can't believe I have been a gun lover for years and how little I really knew about them. I was given a mint 1929 L.C. Smith trap single shot 12 gauge specialty grade Damascus steel first auto ejector gun. It cost twice the as much as a car in the time. America has made so beautiful weapons. Keep it up
A semi-automatic shotgun that has no magazine tube and relies on what is essentially ghost-loading to hold a second cartridge. All that to save 3lb on a Browning Auto-5.
You say that as if 3lbs isn't a significant amount of weight to shave... But yes it was overly complicated and needed more than 2 rounds to be viable. Perhaps the most-needed improvement was a way to control recoil better. If you've ever fired a light weight shotgun (Like an old single shot slug gun, probably the only gun I wouldn't regret selling) you'd know why the wood and steel models are still popular
Meh 3 lbs is not a whole lot, the Timberwolf I carry weighs 17lbs and I have no issues carrying it around all day. And I am not even that big of a guy. I never understood this lightweight cult some shooters belong to.
+clothar23 guess you aren't that good at math, 3 lbs would not be a huge difference off of 17# but imagine if you shaved 10+ off of yours, I imagine you'd not only notice the difference, but it would make the performance significantly different than what you are used to
Chris Morse That depends on what you are using your shotgun for. If all you do is trap, then you have no understanding of how a shotgun is really used.
@@alaeriia01 double barreled shotguns have a great balance between firepower weight and simplicity. Thats why they're more popular compared to single, triple and quadruple barreled shotguns
double barrel is good for home defense choice. if someone is in your house you can just load 2 in the barrels and be ready and keep 5 shells in your pocket. i can imagine with any other it would take a bit more time to cock and load a shell in ect.
@@FreeAimDog if there are 2 or more intruders that would be a terrible choice. Also if you're physically weaker, a normal shotgun wouldn't be the best choice. As for keeping shells in your pocket, good luck fishing those out when you're high on adrenaline and fine motor skills are out the window and you have 2 seconds before the intruder has a knife to your throat. There's a reason people like mag fed high capacity rifles/pistols for home defense.
Robert Stack at 2:34 held two world records for skeet, and was an American champion at 16: "Get that finger out of your ear! You don't know where that finger's been." (From the hilarious movie "Airplane!", with Leslie Nielsen).
Kinda amazing how far we've come in Shotgun tech since then. My Benelli Ethos weighs 7lbs, has room for 5+1 12 gague 2-3/4in shells, is recoil operated, and kicks like a 20 gague.
My father has a Noble 20 gauge pump shotgun that's all aluminum except for a couple of springs and I would imagine the firing pin. They were made for a company that made aircraft aluminum, just to be given away to people as demonstrations of the strength of the aluminum. It weighs about 3 1/2 pounds. I've never shot it but my father says heavy loads will bring tears to your eyes.
I have a Ithaca 37 with an aluminum receiver and a hollow English style buttstock (which broke), 4.5 lbs even in 20 gauge it's not a nice shooting gun. It feels very "whippystabbypointy " rather than smooth swinging and kicks like a mule.
I don't see the big deal as far as weight is concerned. I have a Benelli M2 that's mostly plastic and aluminum that only weighs around 6.5 lbs and chambered for 3" shells and I'm not recoil sensitive with any load, being thin and only weighing 150 lbs.
The Olympic literally had a warship designed to ram other ships crash into it's stern section and it kept afloat. That hapened while Titanic was still on the warf. The "Unsinkable" bit was how Olympic was hailed by the Press, not White Star Line, but they did cashed in on the free publicity. Who wouldn't? Since Titanic and Brittanic were pretty much the same design, the fame carried over. Everyone knows what happened to Titanic, but Brittanic struck a mine during WWI and sunk because people opened the portholes and water poured in through otherwise watertight compartments. If it wasn't for that, the ship could have survived the breached compartments and the bulkhead doors that stuck open. The original "Unsinkable" Olympic went ahead to serve until the Great Depression made it unprofitable to operate, then it was sold for scrap in 1935. During that time, it earned the nickname "Old Reliable" in WWI after ramming and sinking a german U-boat. During the dismantling of the hull, the dent of a torpedo that failed to detonate was discovered.
@@ThZuao Interesting stories from you and Greg Gallacci. I was thinking of the "unbreakable" Enigma machine, by the way, and it is believed that the plugboard version, with proper operating procedures, would actually not have been breakable, at least with the technology available to the Allies. So, same difference… a good technology used wrongly with disastrous results.
If you're only going to have a 2 round capacity might as well just use a double barrel shotgun. Cheap, reliable, and virtually nothing that can go wrong with it.
stilllife8 probably too heavy. I agree I'd rather just have a break barrel if I'm only getting two shots but I suspect a second barrel would make it impossible to market as "lightest shotgun in the world"
The couple of people I knew who owned and shot these, used them exclusively for trap/skeet shooting. They loved how light and "pointable" they were. Having fired one, I found the recoil "snappy".
@@jballew2239 Trap lends itself to a super light shotgun because it gets tiring to point the bitches after 100 shots. Trap uses a light shell. Wouldn't wanna hunt turkey with a light gun. 2 and 3/4 inch 7 or 8 shot doesn't kick that hard so this is about perfect for trap.
Not necessarily cheep, maybe able to shoot steel or hard shot . Ballancewould be questionable especially compared to American overweight monsters . Light loads for snipe or quail Mayne.
Is one of the major reasons, they, a southasian jungle is another reason. but in a dry test inviroment with a clean gunpowder you i don´t know what else they should clean of.
That "idiot" did not work on the AR - 15 or the Colt M16. Both said that all M16's should be issued with cleaning kits. m.th-cam.com/video/LyXndCxn9K4/w-d-xo.html
The idea of of having only two shots that may or may not cycle when you need them too seems like an idea that never would have made it past the prototype stage
toomanyaccounts I don’t think there is a market for super light shotguns unless it’s being used for less lethal rounds or being carried pistol grip style on the back for breaching like in the marines.
Its not really a gun intended for home defense or combat use. This would only really be used for recreational shooting and perhaps bird hunting. In those contexts, its not really a big deal. Youve plenty of time for a careful reload, and once loaded properly the cycling seemed pretty reliable. Adding some ballast to this so it swings decent would make it a pretty decent gun and make it a little more comfortable to shoot i think.
Can you still find the occasional Dippin' Dots cart at shopping malls today? I haven't been in a mall for over a decade so I haven't seen one in forever.
@@jdisdetermined huh I just gargled dipping dots and I found out there's 2 places still serving in my town. There is a store locator on their website. Who'd of thunk.
O.K. Election Madness has reached its peak. Yup....That's The Ticket... FIRST....you THROW exactly TWO of the Dippin' Dots up in the SKY...so that NO loved and protected A.S.P.C.A. friendly Clay Pigeons will be harmed. Then you shoulder a TWELVE GAUGE SHOTGUN with a near exact match for the Mattel Fan-ner 50 weight ~ toy gun in an effort to show off ~ for your Bobbie Sock wearing 2964 vintage, steady girl and in a nano-second you get the blazes kicked out of your shoulder. I suspect that its hair trigger will allow for a really rapid Double Tap of 12 ga. 2 3/4" (probably # 9 shot) shells.... And there we have the story of how your "Meet George Jetson"... AR-17 Costa Mesa, CA. made shotgun of tomorrow ~ stands ready no doubt, in 2020 and beyond - to launch ONLY California approved Tungsten and Non-Toxic Hevi-Hammer and Winchester Blind Side shells for you. Is that about it????
The M16 ran just fine on decent ammo . Ya use the welfare crap the US Army was in the early stages of Vietnam sure there is going to be problems. But ya can say that about every firearm ever made mate. The M16's has overblown service and maintenance issues, perturbed by useless Soviet fanboys.
I would not put that on Armalite. They never said the AR - 15 did not need cleaning. Neither did Colt when the got the rights to manufacture the M16. m.th-cam.com/video/LyXndCxn9K4/w-d-xo.html
Hi, Ian. Another old video. I like the looks of this shotgun, even though it is too flashy. If it was done in steel with a magazine, I think it would have been a success. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
This thing is beautiful. Having no 'necessary' structural mass, means you have the opportunity to add mass wherever you need it and get the balance where you want it. Instead of being too light, the inertia is completely tuneable.
I got out of the Army in 1978, after 8 years service, and even now, some 40 years later, I think I could still take down an M-16 and clean it so well my Drill Sergeant would pass it on his first white glove inspection!
When the M16 first went to Vietnam for combat trials they did not ship with a cleaning kit because during the testing phase stateside it was ran for x-thousands of rounds without cleaning, so they assumed it would perform the same way under combat trials. Before the combat trials were complete they rushed cleaning kits to Vietnam along with comic strip training manuals on how to properly clean the M16. Two things caused issues in Vietnam. 1st was powder type being used in the original 5.56mm loads but that took a little while to "fix". 2nd was the environment being used in, close tolerance guns do not fare well in jungle environments and when combined with excessively dirty ammo powders the failure rate was pretty high.
@Karl T I believe that the originals also specs called for chrome linings in the bore and bolt carrier. The Administration at the time thought it was too costly and cut that from some early production guns.
Karl T it was a myth that soldiers were told the m-16 didn’t need to be cleaned. It was probably a rumor started by the troops. Cleaning kits were issued but usually lost.
Is it? Between the champagne-tinted aluminum and dollar-store-capgun furniture, I think this thing looks tacky as hell. The engraving is nice, but not anything special.
My brother had one of these for a bit. It was indeed extremely light and handy, but damn when you put heavy duck loads in it. It would kick like you owed it money.
Yeah, looks nice, but has German car levels of overengineering and in the end is only capable of two useful things, those being how many times it can shoot without being reloaded. A double-barrel shotgun is easier. and can do the same thing. They're quicker to reload, too.
Funny, but most people agree that the iPhone is a good phone, except for the price. The action on this thing, on the other hand, looks rather goofy. I guess it was originally designed to be used with a detachable box magazine but regulations killed that idea. I may be wrong…
I know of at least one commercially successful aluminum shotgun, the Franchi 48AL series. My daughter is fairly slight of build, so when she expressed an interest in shooting clays, we went shotgun hunting. We looked at almost every youth shotgun on the market and found none that met her need for left-eye dominant friendly, light, shortish barrel, and 20 gauge. Then we had a chance for her to shoot a Franchi 48AL20. Although the LOP was too long, it met all the other requirements. Fixing the LOP, however, required my making a custom rear stock (for me not a big deal as I repair shotguns and do restocking as a side gig, and yes, I hold an 01 FFL). So she got a custom, adjustable, walnut rear stock 20 gauge that tips the scale shy of seven pounds (I guess 6lb., 12 oz.). An unplanned benefit was the shorter, but heavier rear stock changed then center of balance in a way that actually improved the balance. A quick check online shows they are still available, seven years after I bought hers.
That ribbed rod in the hand guard just brought me back to robotics. They (or an item very much like it) were used as field pieces and sometimes structural bits. We called them churros
Hey, Ian! I don't buy that the two shot capacity was one of the factors in the commercial failure of the ar-17. Another gee whiz shotgun from the era was the Browning Double Auto (designed by Val Browning) which was produced from 1955-71 and sold some 67,000 units. Like the Armalite, the Double Auto had an aluminum receiver (steel was also available), could be had in several anodized colors, and had a two-shot capacity of one in the pipe and one on the lifter. The light two shot autoloader designs of both were to marry the softer recoil and ease of manufacture of a semi-auto action affords but with a similar performance to a an double barrel fowler or skeet gun in a package light enough to carry all day. It was probably moreso the mistrust of new materials for firearms applications and the punishing recoil that did the ar-17 in. To compare the weights, the lightest variant of the Double Auto, the Twentyweight still outweighed the ar-17 at a scant 6lbs. Consumers could accept an aluminum receiver with enough convincing (the Mossberg 500 had debuted just 4years prior), but not a barrel. Additionally, the Double Auto had the nifty-fifties feature of having dry film lubricant-coated internals!
"So 3.25 shells are the standard ammunition." "Hmm. I think just under 5 pounds would be the optimal weight, oh and they should all have aluminum barrels too."
Both of these things you say are completely possible to do because the barrel is simply threat it on and it looks pretty easy to add a magazine system it loads from the bottom like a magazine-fed shotgun a lot like the new Saiga 12
It really does. It'd be nice if he managed to find a variety pack of snap-caps in the semi-obscure chamberings that a lot of the weirder stuff he covers used, being able to see some of the more unique actions in... well... *action* would be super cool. I'd probably just 3D print some and send them in if he had a PO box.
"Just one word..." "Plastics?" "Aluminum." I'm sad now. I find it very interesting that it seems like most of the problems with this gun was in the usage, not the gun itself despite being such a radical concept as an all aluminum gun. Very cool.
Semi automatic with only two rounds capacity. So it is capable of doing the exact same thing as a double barrel but with significantly more complexity and chance for malfunction. Excellent!!
NEVER NEEDS CLEANING!
Brilliant! Just like the early M16's!! How could it possibly go wrong haha
Funny
bUt ItS liGhTeR 😂😂 Such a nice shotgun but only 2 shots killed it 😂
Who ever made this thing should be beat with it
I've always thought the problem with a double barrel shotgun was all the efficiency and versatility.
"The world's lightest shotgun" I could feel my shoulder being dislocated just from the sound of those words.
Ikr? Something like a shotgun benefits from weight. Takes some kick out of the kick.
if i tried to fire this i'd be launched into the air
C r a c k
@Roderick storey you'd want more weight towards the front to help with recoil.
😂😂😂
Is it just me, or does it look like that shotgun was designed to have a magazine and they changed their minds at the last minute?
I'm wondering the same thing, it seems like it would actually be somewhat useful if it had a magazine
And it becomes Spas-12 and AA-12
This shotgun looks like a aluminum barreled Remington 1100, 2 rounds, mine holds 10 rds.
"Hey Charles"
"Yeah? "
"You gonna put the magazine tube on the shotgun or... "
"Nah, I'm just gonna give it two shots and say it's the shotgun of the future! "
"Oh... Ok! :3"
I can think up ways you could make a magazine
"Never needs cleaning!"
damn you armalite. fool me once...
I heard that a bunch of young men in south east asia in the late '60s were told the same thing.
BType13X2 *rolling stones starts playing*
@@BType13X2 beat me to it.
Ha, more like
**CCR starts playing**
@@BType13X2 From what I heard it was to do with the ammo it used at the time. During my days in the territorial's. I could train and use the M16a2 or the FN50 slr. The 16 would jam. Never had a problem with the slr.
Was so excited....
Then he said “2 round capacity”
It just got worse and worse from there
WarMonger Airsoft surely it could have had a magazine...?
Boris Müller you mean like an adapter?
WarMonger Airsoft would that work with that feeding system?
Boris Müller dunno, maybe. You’d probably have to get rid of that bar that holds the reserve round
u realize this is to kill birds or clay?
That's just a double barrel shotgun with extra steps
Rick Sanchez agrees
Hahahahaha
Scrolled down to write this exact thing. Nice one :D
@@cmonkey63 ✊ my man
Exactly what I was thinking... Why not just make a double barrel???
When you make the "shotgun of tomorrow," but it's California compliant before that's even a thing.
Goattacular Truly ahead of its time
God i hate my state for that shit
Red Engineer LOL even in Australia I can pick it up the same day if I’m early enough and that’s registered!!!
HAHA that’s awesome!!!
@@klonoa450 As you should. Vote better
@@MussaKZN I live in Arizona, we can ask in with money, walk out with a gun and ammo. And we don't have to register shit, not even handguns. I love AZ
"Oh I have an idea! Let's make a gun with a complexity of an automatic and the capacity of a double barrel!"
Like the Beretta UGB 25
The full auto slam fire single shot terminator is probably worse.
Again: combat coach gun is not a good idea.
Don't forget Most states have a 3 round
limit for a hunting shotgun and lot of shotguns come with a plastic rod to limit the amount of cartridges you can get in the tube specifically for hunting, I'm sure this was part of the thought process designing this not as a combat shotgun.
@@adventure95004 Sure, but there's no 3rd round.
We have seen many different versions of Ian over the years. Civil War Ian, Secret WWI Agent Ian, etc. But this iteration is my favorite so far........Aluminum Salesman Ian.
Gangsta Ian with a Jennings 9 is my favourite iteration of Ian.
I dunno die CIA pig kinda took the cake for me.
Tin Men
Aluminum gun Jesus of tomorrow
Now we have "cold war spy" ( 007 ) Ian.
See: InRangeTV , 007
"Engravings give you no tactical advantage whatsoever"
You FEEL awesome though. It's psychological.
Rayce Archer its a metal gear reference
Unless you're planning to auction it off... HEY, wait a minute!
Pretty good
It's a nice gun, I'll give you that.
"What gun do you own"
"An ar17"
"An ar15...?"
"No"
@Die Kista sorry lol
Both y'all stfu I'm trying to watch TV.
@@user-tc5br2wx8f Lmao just turn off notifications or make it not vibrate lmao
@@user-tc5br2wx8f have you turned off your notifications yet?
@@user-tc5br2wx8f yeah have you?
"Never needs cleaning!"
Yeah, because no one ever bothered to put more than 50 rounds through it.
Oof
@g % fax
g % would still build up schmoo from firing
@@johnsonp. AVE or just Canadian?
Read crafter AVE
Hard to load, two round capacity, cheap looking plastic furniture, aluminum barrel, and kicks like a mule? I can't imagine why these weren't a commercial success.
Would be cool for a collect5ion, though. And to squik your tough guy friends bt tricking them into shooting it.
to be fair... considering it hadnt been done before, i'm guessing they underestimated how much it would kick, and how many rounds people put through a shotgun in one sitting. their goal was to make the lightest shotgun possible, and you could say they did that. and the cheap plastic furniture was a compromise made on quite a few guns of that era to save on weight, and polymer wasnt really a thing in guns yet, so i'll even give them a pass on that. but an over engineered semi auto platform with less functionality than a double barrel, thats not forgivable. hell they coulda made the exact same aluminum frame and barrel with plastic furniture on a double barrel and done better
@@zevo9314 Give it a removable box magazine and it would be a hit with today's tactical community.
@@AM-hf9kk Until they break their shoulders that is.
Yes I would have bought two of them.
> 2 round capacity
> Cumbersome reload
Amazing combination
Fun fact: AR stands for Assault Rrrrhotgun.
ruh roh
Good to know, I heard the AR-15 was the predecessor of the BR-RRRT9000
Good. Someone else already effectively pointed out the lack of sense in the AR designation of this shotgun.
@@nowthatsjustducky It's a joke. If the name of the original manufacturer was Derptydoo, then it would probably be the DE-17, DE-10, DE-15, DE-24 etc.
@@nowthatsjustducky The prefix "AR" really has nothing to do with assault OR rifle. It stands for Armalite.
The sound of the bolt on the receiver makes my teeth itch
Glad I'm not the only one who found it cringey
I actually liked it
It sounded fine to me
The fact that teeth can itch terrifies me
It ain't the sound that does it. It's the drugs.
As soon as I heard aluminum I thought of the airmen revolver which doubles as a personal disfigurement device
"Never needs cleaning"
That's what they said to the M16 rifle.
Try not cleaning a M16 ? YOU'LL BE STANDING THERE THROWING ROCKS AT YOUR ADVANCING ENEMY. LOL. SEMPER FI
Meanwhile the enemy has a sand-incrusted, mud covered AK and is punching 10 holes per second through you.
@@marc-andreservant201 That's a gun that never - well seldom, but you're not going to live that long in a combat environment - needs cleaning.
No, it malfunctioned because it had a change in powder that caused fowling.
@@NORTH_CAROLINA_REAPER they also said that the original M16 was “self cleaning”
I had two thoughts upon rewatching this:
1. How securely is that second round held in place? It looks like it could shake loose during an active hunt.
2. There's nothing protecting that loading port from mud and dirt. Not a great feature for a gun marketed at waterfowl hunters.
nEvEr nEeDs cLeAniNg!
The mud and dirt is what holds the second round in. Duh.
@@jimjambananaslam3596 that's why you never need to clean it, mud is a vital component.
@@overlorddante its a feature
Almost like this this gun was tailor made to be viewed on Forgotten Weapons... Lol.
They played the long game with this one.
no wonder its a forgotten weapon lol two shots in a semi auto
wtf is the point
The man in the ad at 2:34 is actor Robert Stack, famous for his appearance in the film Airplane!, and many others. At one time he was shotgunning champion of the United States. This is a very rare though deeply flawed gun, thank you for showing it to us.
I shoulda read this before commenting, but my doubt is solved. Txs!!!
Guess you never heard of the Untouchables?
I thought that was him! Unsolved mysteries was the shiznit!!!
Really awkward loading mechanism,
Semi automatic,
2 round capacity...
What.
It's like a double barrel, but more complex and harder to load
At about a quarter of the price of a double gun or less
shut up and take my money 🙃
Gotta admit ....I thought my goose/duck gun with 3 shells was odd!
But of course your not allowed any more than that hunting,,so makes a little sense.
Only a skeet shooter would make a 1-round magazine. Incredible.
It looks beautiful. It seems like it was the inspiration for the golden Shotgun in Prey 2017.
But also lol semiauto but 2 shot capacity. Yeah, the channel’s called “Forgotten Weapons”, and it turns out that a lot of these guns were forgotten for *damn good reason.*
It strikes me that ArmaLite's fundamental problem was their top-down focus on lightness. Instead of asking shotgun shooters what they wanted and then designing a lighter gun that would meet those needs, they came up with this freak and then pushed it at people as the shotgun of the future.
So basically the most unnecessarily complex single barrel double barreled shotgun
at least it's light?
the 12 gauge recoil from that light rifle is hernia inducing.
@Lee Joyner
There is no magazine tube, so you would need to do a lot of redesigning and modification.
I mean, I can see why it would be appealing to competition shooters, as there are shotguns like it today, the idea is you have two rounds on tap, but only one barrel, which means you never have to account for the difference between the sights and the different barrels, which is one less thing to compensate and account for in your head
@@lordilluminati5836 Too light. Recoil bad.
"Light" and "Shotgun" should never be used in the same sentence
My uncle had a Remington 1100 shotgun with the fiberglass barrel. It was awesome! It actually had a thin steel sleeve in the fiberglass barrel, but I could shoot skeet better with that gun than my own! I’d give plenty to have that gun, my cousin lost it through some in-law family matters. I don’t know if it was as light as this AR shotgun? But it was light for a semi-auto shotgun.
"To safely shoot a shotgun, or any gun, you need light." Boom
Armalite scrapped the box magazine idea when they realized how badly this gun bruised you with two shots.
Maybe if they gave it a massive drum magazine that would've solved the lightness issue
At first glance I thought "This looks like a toy." Then Ian began actually loading the thing and I thought "This IS a toy!"
Might feel like a toy too lol
The nail-on-chalkboard sound the bolt carrier sliding on aluminum makes is excruciating.
It reminds me of the sound when people bite their silverware
Will kill it's target if the pellets don't
Read your comment even before the sound comes in the video. Got so triggered, I even felt it in my teeth. This fragging sound of hell. Triggered me so much, I answer a 2 years old comment. Aaargh.
No One Ever: I was kinda looking for an over priced automatic shotgun that 70 year old double barrel shotguns will laugh at.
Armalite design team: Hold my beer.
Arbhall McDougall
Hold my LIKE ! 😲
I used to hunt with a friend, a coworker in the 70s and used his AR17 a few times. He was pretty fast at loading a third round. But I recognized a two found shortcoming like an over/under or double (I think a double may be a bit faster). Lighter but recoiled more than my 870. I was issued a M16 in VN so I was used to weapons designed by the company. Thanks for the video.
This is the perfect gun for a Fudd who's a little semi-auto curious, but still needs his inferior shell capacity 'cause positive change frightens his feeble mind.
So...Joe Biden?
@@The_Ballo Lol
Joe "Two Blasts" Biden
@@Superabound2
All he needs is two.
Guys dont forget the first "shotgun blast" needs to be fired in the air as a warning.
"Never needs cleaning"
Because MAGIC!
It doesnt need cleaning because no one would ever use this
The heaviest part of this shotgun is the ammunition!
FW: I wan't to say one word, Aluminum.
Me, an Englishman: *drops monocle in tea
grins.. did you know that Aluminum didn't get its name by an American.. but a Brit.. Humphry Davy who named the stuff aluminum after his first proposal, alumium got rejected by contemporary chemists all over Europe.. then it changed back n forth a couple of times on both sides of the ocean n by both the public n scientific communities.. often scientists using one spelling n the public the opposite.. it's all quite silly..
I say
ALOO-MINYUM
@@qwertyqwerty6099 but no one says potassum or uranum... it's supremely silly imo.
@@dvkevin smiles.. blame the other scientists who rejected the name alumium..
“Finicky” is not a desirable characteristic in a firearm.
Except for Hi-Point, where it would be a dramatic improvement, from “unpredictable”.
@@philipbohi983 eh, they're ok for about 500 rds or so, then they get pretty temperamental. But for less than $200 that's not so bad. Then you can always just beat your assailant to death with the poly brick lol.
Especially if you have to mess with that finnicky system twice as often as everyone else reloads.
You could say it's pretty
Armalight
You're right.
Just an observation, but it almost looks like the AR-17 was going to take detachable box magazines, but was chucked at the last minute.
You are correct in that assessment.
I wonder if some Colin Furze of guns out there could reverse engineer it to take magazines like it was meant to.
I was looking through the comments for a "it can actually take a mag" comment, but didn't find one. I'll look it up
Nice 4 round mag plus one in the chamber
@@ostiariusalpha Can you provide any link to some information on that?
"Never needs cleaning!"
Props to the marketing department 😂
"you see is it's called the ar 17 because it fits 17 rounds in its tube"
You mean it has one of those deadly '30 magazine clips' ? Oooooh ... scary !!
it has a fully semi auto high capacity assault rifle magazine
Well that would give you a workout
@@Journey_to_who_knows look up the KSG 25 if you think that's heavy
Prank’d
Oof. That aluminum-and-spring squeak just gets right into your soul, doesn't it?
the sound of aluminum scraping against eachother. uuugh...
same i had to stop cause of that
it sounds like the gat gun I had as a kid...you kno the one where you press the barrel on the ground to cock it an unscrew a pin at the back to put pellets in....loved my gat
needs *oil*
This is by far one of my top favorite videos of all time of this channel for some reason. This gun and it’s history is so appreciatively toy gunnish, futurish, crazy!!👍👍👍👍
I love your videos. Can't believe I have been a gun lover for years and how little I really knew about them. I was given a mint 1929 L.C. Smith trap single shot 12 gauge specialty grade Damascus steel first auto ejector gun. It cost twice the as much as a car in the time. America has made so beautiful weapons. Keep it up
A semi-automatic shotgun that has no magazine tube and relies on what is essentially ghost-loading to hold a second cartridge.
All that to save 3lb on a Browning Auto-5.
You say that as if 3lbs isn't a significant amount of weight to shave... But yes it was overly complicated and needed more than 2 rounds to be viable. Perhaps the most-needed improvement was a way to control recoil better. If you've ever fired a light weight shotgun (Like an old single shot slug gun, probably the only gun I wouldn't regret selling) you'd know why the wood and steel models are still popular
Meh 3 lbs is not a whole lot, the Timberwolf I carry weighs 17lbs and I have no issues carrying it around all day. And I am not even that big of a guy. I never understood this lightweight cult some shooters belong to.
+clothar23 guess you aren't that good at math, 3 lbs would not be a huge difference off of 17# but imagine if you shaved 10+ off of yours, I imagine you'd not only notice the difference, but it would make the performance significantly different than what you are used to
John Browning was a smarter man
Chris Morse
That depends on what you are using your shotgun for. If all you do is trap, then you have no understanding of how a shotgun is really used.
Its a pretty gun, but with only two rounds I cant imagine it sold all that well. Considering that double barrels...uh..exist.
Sir Slam Why is it always double barrels and not, say, triple barrels? I'm from Massachusetts, so I don't know these things.
@@alaeriia01 double barreled shotguns have a great balance between firepower weight and simplicity. Thats why they're more popular compared to single, triple and quadruple barreled shotguns
@Bailey Washington I could smell and Ahoy comment from a mile away... good job bro
double barrel is good for home defense choice. if someone is in your house you can just load 2 in the barrels and be ready and keep 5 shells in your pocket. i can imagine with any other it would take a bit more time to cock and load a shell in ect.
@@FreeAimDog if there are 2 or more intruders that would be a terrible choice. Also if you're physically weaker, a normal shotgun wouldn't be the best choice. As for keeping shells in your pocket, good luck fishing those out when you're high on adrenaline and fine motor skills are out the window and you have 2 seconds before the intruder has a knife to your throat. There's a reason people like mag fed high capacity rifles/pistols for home defense.
A whole 2 round capacity, with a loading time that takes longer than a standard shotgun.
Robert Stack at 2:34 held two world records for skeet, and was an American champion at 16: "Get that finger out of your ear! You don't know where that finger's been." (From the hilarious movie "Airplane!", with Leslie Nielsen).
Kinda amazing how far we've come in Shotgun tech since then. My Benelli Ethos weighs 7lbs, has room for 5+1 12 gague 2-3/4in shells, is recoil operated, and kicks like a 20 gague.
My father has a Noble 20 gauge pump shotgun that's all aluminum except for a couple of springs and I would imagine the firing pin. They were made for a company that made aircraft aluminum, just to be given away to people as demonstrations of the strength of the aluminum. It weighs about 3 1/2 pounds. I've never shot it but my father says heavy loads will bring tears to your eyes.
Tears of joy I hope?
a heavy load can often bring tears to your eyes
I have a Ithaca 37 with an aluminum receiver and a hollow English style buttstock (which broke), 4.5 lbs even in 20 gauge it's not a nice shooting gun. It feels very "whippystabbypointy " rather than smooth swinging and kicks like a mule.
Had a Ithaca XL300 20 Gauge weighed 6.75 pounds. Perrrrrrrfect!!!
I don't see the big deal as far as weight is concerned. I have a Benelli M2 that's mostly plastic and aluminum that only weighs around 6.5 lbs and chambered for 3" shells and I'm not recoil sensitive with any load, being thin and only weighing 150 lbs.
"Never needs cleaning" on the advert kills me
Now we know where Outer Worlds got their gun aesthetic.
Needs no cleaning - Armalite
An unsinkable ship - White Star Line 🤔
Truth in advertising - Nobody ever
James Healy "In advertising there's no such things as lies - just expedient exaggerations" Roger O. Thornhill (Cary Grant), North by Northwest
Nice quote, calling a ship "Unsinkable" is certainly quite the exaggeration!
"Advertising is legalized lying" - H. G. Wells
The Olympic literally had a warship designed to ram other ships crash into it's stern section and it kept afloat. That hapened while Titanic was still on the warf.
The "Unsinkable" bit was how Olympic was hailed by the Press, not White Star Line, but they did cashed in on the free publicity. Who wouldn't?
Since Titanic and Brittanic were pretty much the same design, the fame carried over. Everyone knows what happened to Titanic, but Brittanic struck a mine during WWI and sunk because people opened the portholes and water poured in through otherwise watertight compartments. If it wasn't for that, the ship could have survived the breached compartments and the bulkhead doors that stuck open.
The original "Unsinkable" Olympic went ahead to serve until the Great Depression made it unprofitable to operate, then it was sold for scrap in 1935.
During that time, it earned the nickname "Old Reliable" in WWI after ramming and sinking a german U-boat. During the dismantling of the hull, the dent of a torpedo that failed to detonate was discovered.
@@ThZuao Interesting stories from you and Greg Gallacci. I was thinking of the "unbreakable" Enigma machine, by the way, and it is believed that the plugboard version, with proper operating procedures, would actually not have been breakable, at least with the technology available to the Allies. So, same difference… a good technology used wrongly with disastrous results.
If you're only going to have a 2 round capacity might as well just use a double barrel shotgun. Cheap, reliable, and virtually nothing that can go wrong with it.
stilllife8 probably too heavy. I agree I'd rather just have a break barrel if I'm only getting two shots but I suspect a second barrel would make it impossible to market as "lightest shotgun in the world"
The couple of people I knew who owned and shot these, used them exclusively for trap/skeet shooting. They loved how light and "pointable" they were.
Having fired one, I found the recoil "snappy".
@@johncoursey2582 Lightest autoloading. Pick up a H&R single shot.
@@jballew2239 Trap lends itself to a super light shotgun because it gets tiring to point the bitches after 100 shots. Trap uses a light shell. Wouldn't wanna hunt turkey with a light gun. 2 and 3/4 inch 7 or 8 shot doesn't kick that hard so this is about perfect for trap.
Not necessarily cheep, maybe able to shoot steel or hard shot .
Ballancewould be questionable especially compared to American overweight monsters . Light loads for snipe or quail Mayne.
love your videos dude always end up on this channel somehow but never disappointed, really great knowledge on all these weapons
A gem for collectors and tru al it’s shortcomings aesthetically pleasing.
Man that'sa gorgeous shotgun, I want it
Just saw the reloading procedure, now I don't want it 😂😂😂
They could have done that a lot better. Like, open a spring loaded hatch, drop in a shell, and it's ready for the shell to be chambered.
Joseph Dillard its more of a gun case shotgun to apreciate in value.
@2:39 I see the idiot who said the ar-15 didn't need cleaning kits was also in charge of advertising for this gun
it might have worked if some other idiot decided to change gunpowder with out informing those who told the military that it didn´t need cleaning kits.
Exploatores What? Are you saying the powder was the only reason you need to clean an AR?
Is one of the major reasons, they, a southasian jungle is another reason. but in a dry test inviroment with a clean gunpowder you i don´t know what else they should clean of.
That "idiot" did not work on the AR - 15 or the Colt M16. Both said that all M16's should be issued with cleaning kits.
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@@williestyle35 T H A N K Y O U
Held one in my hands today. It was beautiful!
Awesome tactical battle engravings. Makes it even more tacticool.
The idea of of having only two shots that may or may not cycle when you need them too seems like an idea that never would have made it past the prototype stage
toomanyaccounts I don’t think there is a market for super light shotguns unless it’s being used for less lethal rounds or being carried pistol grip style on the back for breaching like in the marines.
Its not really a gun intended for home defense or combat use. This would only really be used for recreational shooting and perhaps bird hunting.
In those contexts, its not really a big deal. Youve plenty of time for a careful reload, and once loaded properly the cycling seemed pretty reliable.
Adding some ballast to this so it swings decent would make it a pretty decent gun and make it a little more comfortable to shoot i think.
@@metamorphicorder Adding some ballast would make it as heavy as gas operated guns on the market...that can hold 5 rounds.
When the shotgun of the future has the same capacity as the shotgun of the 1870s, you know there is a problem.
Once again a rare and interesting firearm, well done video is appreciated.
This was the shotgun of the future like how Dippin’ Dots are the ice cream of the future.
...I wish it was.
I would believe it was the ice cream of the future if it floated in air till then I'm not convinced haha
Can you still find the occasional Dippin' Dots cart at shopping malls today?
I haven't been in a mall for over a decade so I haven't seen one in forever.
@@jdisdetermined huh I just gargled dipping dots and I found out there's 2 places still serving in my town. There is a store locator on their website. Who'd of thunk.
Dippin dots are the stuff
O.K. Election Madness has reached its peak. Yup....That's The Ticket... FIRST....you THROW exactly TWO of the Dippin' Dots up in the SKY...so that NO loved and protected A.S.P.C.A. friendly Clay Pigeons will be harmed.
Then you shoulder a TWELVE GAUGE SHOTGUN with a near exact match for the Mattel Fan-ner 50 weight ~ toy gun in an effort to show off ~ for your Bobbie Sock wearing 2964 vintage, steady girl and in a nano-second you get the blazes kicked out of your shoulder.
I suspect that its hair trigger will allow for a really rapid Double Tap of 12 ga. 2 3/4" (probably # 9 shot) shells....
And there we have the story of how your "Meet George Jetson"... AR-17 Costa Mesa, CA. made shotgun of tomorrow ~ stands ready no doubt, in 2020 and beyond - to launch ONLY California approved Tungsten and Non-Toxic Hevi-Hammer and Winchester Blind Side shells for you.
Is that about it????
The add at 2:32 never needs cleaning that worked out for the m16
The M16 ran just fine on decent ammo . Ya use the welfare crap the US Army was in the early stages of Vietnam sure there is going to be problems. But ya can say that about every firearm ever made mate. The M16's has overblown service and maintenance issues, perturbed by useless Soviet fanboys.
Every gun needs to be cleaned and they were advertising it never needs cleaning, WHY SO SERIOUS?
I would not put that on Armalite. They never said the AR - 15 did not need cleaning. Neither did Colt when the got the rights to manufacture the M16.
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Fantastic video, Ian. I always figure there’s nothing else that could intrigue me in the firearms world but you always find something unique.
Hi, Ian. Another old video. I like the looks of this shotgun, even though it is too flashy. If it was done in steel with a magazine, I think it would have been a success. Thanks for sharing! Stay healthy!
Fascinating. Definitely a forgotten weapon. Thanks Ian.
How to take a great product idea and absolutely destroy its marketability: limit a semiauto shotgun to 2 rounds capacity.
you know whats weird is that it probably wouldn't even have been that hard to make this ting magazine fed
Sam Maill no
We can have 3. 1 in the pipe 2 in the mag
It seems like it was supposed to originally take a magazine. The action looks similar to the ones used in semi-auto handguns and rifles.
3 is all you're allowed for hunting waterfowl. And if you need more than that for pheasant or grouse, then you need more range time, not capacity.
Well it was made in California
"Never needs cleaning!" because it'll break before it does!
I was thinking those exact words.
It's like lifetime transmission fliud
This thing is beautiful. Having no 'necessary' structural mass, means you have the opportunity to add mass wherever you need it and get the balance where you want it. Instead of being too light, the inertia is completely tuneable.
Yanno, I love this channel. Love learning about guns I'll never own :)
"Never needs cleaning!" Yeah just like how the m16 never needed cleaning.
I got out of the Army in 1978, after 8 years service, and even now, some 40 years later, I think I could still take down an M-16 and clean it so well my Drill Sergeant would pass it on his first white glove inspection!
Jerry Ericsson I can flip a pancake pretty well...
When the M16 first went to Vietnam for combat trials they did not ship with a cleaning kit because during the testing phase stateside it was ran for x-thousands of rounds without cleaning, so they assumed it would perform the same way under combat trials. Before the combat trials were complete they rushed cleaning kits to Vietnam along with comic strip training manuals on how to properly clean the M16.
Two things caused issues in Vietnam. 1st was powder type being used in the original 5.56mm loads but that took a little while to "fix". 2nd was the environment being used in, close tolerance guns do not fare well in jungle environments and when combined with excessively dirty ammo powders the failure rate was pretty high.
@Karl T I believe that the originals also specs called for chrome linings in the bore and bolt carrier. The Administration at the time thought it was too costly and cut that from some early production guns.
Karl T it was a myth that soldiers were told the m-16 didn’t need to be cleaned. It was probably a rumor started by the troops. Cleaning kits were issued but usually lost.
"Transparent aluminum?!"
"Aye. That's the ticket lad..."
Wait, you can't just give him the formula like that.
"Why? How do we know he didn't invent the thing?"
@@611_hornet5 Well its obvious these guys didnt😃have the ticket...
Hello computer
Actually, we have that now.
my stoeger m3000 had a rotating bolt as well. inertia driven system. man i miss that thing. so smooth
This guy and The Report of the Week... Different animal same beast.
Holy crap costa mesa? That's my home town. Nothing ever comes out of costa mesa so that's a pretty neat little detail.
What a beautiful, pointless gun.
Is it? Between the champagne-tinted aluminum and dollar-store-capgun furniture, I think this thing looks tacky as hell. The engraving is nice, but not anything special.
pointless definitely beautiful in not so sure
It’s essentially the gun equivalent of a “wall hanger”
@@jasonarmstrong5750 Its a gun for bad hunters that never got a stag head to mount above the fireplace, so instead they hang up the gun :)
@@Elenrai Username out of 10
My brother had one of these for a bit. It was indeed extremely light and handy, but damn when you put heavy duck loads in it. It would kick like you owed it money.
AR-17 just sounds awesome. The bolt reminds me of the Winchester 1300.
And according to that magazine cover at 2:31, it never needs cleaning. Just like the AR15 never needs cleaning.
A golden aluminium shotgun? Shorten the barrel, get some dragon breath shells and you got a cyberpunk weapon.
Glue random cogs onto it and you got a steampunk shotgun
I feel like I got this as a skin for pre-ordering a game.
Shorten barrel, dragon breath shells, holy water. Holy Shotgun?
Someone’s been playing too many video games.
Forgotten Weapons did a video on a gun exactly like that, the Winchester Liberator.
Just got one today. Can't wait to test it
Media: "the ar 15 is evil"
Wait till they find out about the sequel, the ar 17 😳
"The idea of having a fancy gold-colored gun really was an interesting and novel thing."
So basically, it was the gold-colored iPhone of guns?
Yupp.
Yeah, looks nice, but has German car levels of overengineering and in the end is only capable of two useful things, those being how many times it can shoot without being reloaded. A double-barrel shotgun is easier. and can do the same thing. They're quicker to reload, too.
But back then, only 1200 folks were fooled, unlike Apple's armies of fidels
Funny, but most people agree that the iPhone is a good phone, except for the price. The action on this thing, on the other hand, looks rather goofy. I guess it was originally designed to be used with a detachable box magazine but regulations killed that idea. I may be wrong…
I know of at least one commercially successful aluminum shotgun, the Franchi 48AL series. My daughter is fairly slight of build, so when she expressed an interest in shooting clays, we went shotgun hunting. We looked at almost every youth shotgun on the market and found none that met her need for left-eye dominant friendly, light, shortish barrel, and 20 gauge. Then we had a chance for her to shoot a Franchi 48AL20. Although the LOP was too long, it met all the other requirements. Fixing the LOP, however, required my making a custom rear stock (for me not a big deal as I repair shotguns and do restocking as a side gig, and yes, I hold an 01 FFL). So she got a custom, adjustable, walnut rear stock 20 gauge that tips the scale shy of seven pounds (I guess 6lb., 12 oz.). An unplanned benefit was the shorter, but heavier rear stock changed then center of balance in a way that actually improved the balance. A quick check online shows they are still available, seven years after I bought hers.
That ribbed rod in the hand guard just brought me back to robotics. They (or an item very much like it) were used as field pieces and sometimes structural bits. We called them churros
That thing is BEAUTIFUL
Hey, Ian! I don't buy that the two shot capacity was one of the factors in the commercial failure of the ar-17. Another gee whiz shotgun from the era was the Browning Double Auto (designed by Val Browning) which was produced from 1955-71 and sold some 67,000 units. Like the Armalite, the Double Auto had an aluminum receiver (steel was also available), could be had in several anodized colors, and had a two-shot capacity of one in the pipe and one on the lifter. The light two shot autoloader designs of both were to marry the softer recoil and ease of manufacture of a semi-auto action affords but with a similar performance to a an double barrel fowler or skeet gun in a package light enough to carry all day. It was probably moreso the mistrust of new materials for firearms applications and the punishing recoil that did the ar-17 in. To compare the weights, the lightest variant of the Double Auto, the Twentyweight still outweighed the ar-17 at a scant 6lbs. Consumers could accept an aluminum receiver with enough convincing (the Mossberg 500 had debuted just 4years prior), but not a barrel. Additionally, the Double Auto had the nifty-fifties feature of having dry film lubricant-coated internals!
I was going to bring up the double auto as well. I have the steel one and love it!
Now I'll have "Mrs. Robinson" running through my head the rest of the day. Thanks a lot.
"So 3.25 shells are the standard ammunition."
"Hmm. I think just under 5 pounds would be the optimal weight, oh and they should all have aluminum barrels too."
Would make a nice gun for light loads and small game. I remember reading about it back in the day, but was never able to afford one.
This actually wouldn't be a bad idea to revisit provided it have a box-fed magazine and a heavier chromoly barrel.
Both of these things you say are completely possible to do because the barrel is simply threat it on and it looks pretty easy to add a magazine system it loads from the bottom like a magazine-fed shotgun a lot like the new Saiga 12
Seeing the dummy rounds in "action" really improves the demo.
It really does.
It'd be nice if he managed to find a variety pack of snap-caps in the semi-obscure chamberings that a lot of the weirder stuff he covers used, being able to see some of the more unique actions in... well... *action* would be super cool.
I'd probably just 3D print some and send them in if he had a PO box.
Wait this week CNN told me 'AR' stands for 'automatic rifle'.
Breakneck it stands for Armalite. They manufacture guns.
I think they were going for Absolutely Retarded when they invented it 😆
Noo it means attack rifle smh
@ breakneck it actually stands for “ahhhhhhh a republican”
ar-15 simply means assault rifle with clip of 15 rounds
The magazine cover with the AR-17 shows it being held by actor Robert Stack, who was also a national champion skeet shooter.
"Just one word..."
"Plastics?"
"Aluminum."
I'm sad now.
I find it very interesting that it seems like most of the problems with this gun was in the usage, not the gun itself despite being such a radical concept as an all aluminum gun. Very cool.
Baylor Blackwell Yep I pretty sad....I think its gold
Those who forget the future are doomed to repeat it.
Looks like a good baseline for implementing a magazine feed system!
I could see field loading with cold hands being fun.