Surface Grinder Rebuild - part 1
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 3 ม.ค. 2014
- Stumbled into an unexpected machine rebuilt.
Follow along as I try to get more life out of an old grinder.
Note: I'm not a machine rebuilder; not even a hobbyist one.. but I saw no
reason why that should stop me. Comments always welcomed. - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I am here because I worked my way through the last few years of videos. Your videography has gone from this to some of the best on youtube! Great job!
@paul beenis Same here, I would like to see these "slower phase" videos from time to time
I'm good with "this new Tony" I hope my videos have improved just as yours have. Thanks for leaving us your awkward videos!
I soo agree with you mate. He's way more confident now. (Thanks Tony You're a great teacher)
@The King Pop us some links to your stuff bro. Show us how it's done
Haha indeed after binche watching and sometimes sleeping aswell.
I started way back in 1998 .
I read if your here , your halfwaardetijd 🤣👌🙄...lol
Tony my favorite, funny toolmaker on youtube !
Well done budy
Learning alot of you.
Althought i learned 80 % at the technical highschool overhere ☆♡
Grtz from the netherlands Johny geerts
Plenty of other vids on youtube and a bunch of new ones in my sub list. But I'd still rather rewatch some ToT vids
I'm a carpenter. I'm used to errors in the range of 1/16". You are fixing stuff in the thousandths of an inch. Metal working tolerances are insane
Czerno Alpha my engineering tutor told me years ago “Engineers/machinists work in the closest thousandth of an inch, joiners/carpenters work in the closest 16th of an inch and builders work in the closest field”. Stuck with me.
Well, 1/16th" is 62.5 thousandths of an inch, so you're kinda working to thousandths too...just quite a lot of them! Give yourself a break, I'm happy if I drill a hole within 5mm! And that's why the critters in my house use my shelves as slides!
I'm a metal stud mechanic, we have tolerances up to 3/4 of an inch. I can't even imagine being a machinist.
Dont short yourself.. some woods swell 1/16” and back in a single day. And you depending if your a finish capenter or maybe a oldschool cabinet and furniture builder your accounting for those variables..
Try cutting a piece of oak to a thou, then measure it again in a week or so... or even the next morning
I'm always amazed on the similarities in methodologies amongst the trades. Your approach is the same as the first road I built. You used a block of granite and a dial gage to measure the contour of your work. I used a optical level and grade rod. You used a scraper to remove the high spots. I used a motor grader. Your error is in the .001 of a inch. My error is approx 1". Were doing the same thing, just different materials and tools and scale. Very cool! I love your channel!
MrTim3990 ---> Just an inch of error in a ROAD?!?!? Wow, to me, that seems like some serious accuracy!
All that I can say is Thank You! For your unbridled attempt at perfection and also for speaking to me like an adult. So many are, I guess unconsciously patronizing in their teaching. I'm sure that the remuneration would be unsatisfactory for your level of expertise but MAN, if you where a middle school shop teacher the country would maybe produce more desperately needed craftsmen.
O M G
First time seeing whole workshop after years of watching videos. How did this mini-series went under my radar is beyond me. Extremely trippy to watch a video 8 years old from ToT. Lights, camera, angles, format all changed but this rich, deep, amazing voice stayed the same, oh what a sound treat
Sure is interesting!
The pain and unease in your voice transferred to me to the point of nauseum. The feeling that you're out if your depth, but swimming in anyways is so unnerving. Thank you for sharing. As good as any movie!
A surface grinder would have come in handy.. oh
Bob Dylan 😂😂😂😂😂
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Nice
my thought exactly:)
Yeah, I was thinking he might have it sent out to get that work done. I'm sure it must have crossed his mind a few times.
Unlike Ironman, you are the true metal hero. I am a recent subscriber and I can't stop binge watching your videos (as you can tell by the timestamp of this one). Thank you, thank you, TOT!
I basically listen to his videos to sleep now haha. I've been on TH-cam for a while and something like 25% of my total watch time is TOT videos.
This video gives me a sense of just how much you have squeezed into your garage.
I really like this series. As much as I love your new videos, this kind of "ride-along" style that's less scripted is really nice too for a longer format project like this or the CNC or the hydraulic press build
Relatively new follower here. Even these early videos are fantastic because you do such a great job explaining the minutiae of each idea and process. Some spit, shine, and 10x dad jokes later and your videos are now some of the best maker content on the site.
Hey Tony, I know this is an old video, but I'd love to see more in this raw style. The well produced and cut videos are great, but sometimes an unfiltered, unrecut behind the scenes video can be fun.
Wait i love how his humor is exactly the same just without the snappy cuts
your pertinence is amazing chap......I was amazed at how well the scraping worked.....neat I'm new to all the Is metal at 64yrs I'll continue to watch your series from the beginning......Neat.
Wow I think I have really gone down a rabbit hole and landed in a deep end of it with this strange black magic called scraping machine ways, .... Well done video
What a patience testing project. I had never seen this done before. Plan you work and work your plan. Looks like you are making great progress. I look forward to the next installment. Thank you- Fred
Watching these old ToTs really shows how much you've improved in all phases of the game. Your presentation and your video editing skills both 1000% better. In my completely neophyte opinion, your machinist skills are much better too.
Younger Old Tony was such a pure soul compared to current Old Tony. So many jokes were missed here. It makes one wonder what the future holds.
This old Tony drinking game: take a drink every time he says the word "thou"
wrecked by 2 minutes in
Sounds lethal. lol
Im in! lets do it, and now with this Covid living lifestyle we can video chat the live game with ease. Tony can join us!
Hello Tony of the past, I'm Antonio from the 2020, in this video i notice your first joke on camera.
Many thanks for all the wonderful jokes you will come out in the years to come.
Ciao
From your newer videos, I didn't expect your shop to be this bright!
As a beginner in scraping I am really watching how your mapping your work,thanks for the great info and inspiration.
Always love watching you put your knowledge and expertise to work!!! Thanks for sharing!!!
Enjoyed your meticulous approach to this project. I'll keep looking for the next installment!
Very impressive patience and attention to detail. You inspire, thanks.
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Man, starting out with your newer videos then seeing this older one, the difference in quality of the productions themselves is quite huge.
Wow. The style of humour you have now, I can see the seeds of it in this early video. While the production quality and delivery has gone through the roof now, it is great to see how it started. And still timeless, in terms of content.
Every now and then, I come back to your early videos, just to marvel at the evolution of TOT
I just watched your latest video then this popped up in my feed and its amazing how much your monologue and presentation have improved excellent videos keep it up
Just the courage to take on this project is breathtaking. You inspire us all This Old Tony ❤️
Thanks for this series. Bring on more scraping vids!
In just 6 short years a second class hobby machinist graduated to first class stand up comic. :)
TOT - you are teaching us a lot!!
Wav, really a jump into unknown challenges - and you survived - good !
I am so glad I found your site about a week ago, I do love your dry humour, my favourite videos of of machine restorations and improvements of which you provide plenty.
Please keep up the great work.
10/10.
Rich, UK.
Oh my. Amazed how far you've come ToT. One can only aspire to your (now) greatness.
So this is 8 years ago.
Love your videos Tony
Nice! Pretty sweet details here
Tony sounds so scared compared to his recent stuff-- like literally "throwing" work I to a chunk and welding like a madman
Nice work Dick Tracy! This is the kind of stuff I used to do for my dad as a boy. Same problem with grease and oil on what he called our drum sander, it was a manual leveler of some kind, I have no idea what it was, but now that you’ve got me thinking about, I’m gonna look for what it might’ve been.
It may not have been your intention but I gained a better understanding of scraping here than from any of the several other videos I have watched dedicated to the subject.
Great work..especially for a guy who claims he is not a professional anything!! What do you do? What is your skill base Tony? It is all very meticulous and impressive work :)
classic tot, before he signed with a major label and started producing more polished "content", enjoy the entire catalog but who doesn't love a band before they got famous?
The garage years
Before he became a famous studio machinist
Man I wish I was there to give you encouragement and help remove all self doubt
Very nice video, keep up the great work!
WOW! I have never seen that done before... tedious to say the least. Great work man!
sir, I'm so glad I found this on you tube, I have the same machine, and have started to restore it, this is a great help, thank you so much with sharing!!! kind regards keith russell from across ,the pond in the UK....
My pleasure Keith, here's hoping it helps!
I'd kill for your patience and diligence, as long as it didn't take too long.
I have no machine shop, I am at best a semi-competent diyer (in that I can use a hammer, pliers, drill etc.). The thing I find fascinating about these videos is the problem solving. Respect.
Clearly it was previously owned by a absolute genius.
My, my... how far your videos have come, Tony.
I know this is an old video, but for anyone thinking of doing this as Tony did - think about mapping the ways of the mill independent of the table of the grinder. At 8:30 where he talks about the differences in the measurements of the table on the surface plate and on the mill due to the flexing of the of the mill from the weight of the grinder table. This CAN be very accurately known whether you can compensate for the deviation or not. Just use a long enough drill rod or something equally light weight yet precise in dimensions resting on the mill table, indicate along that with the grinder table in place (so that it will produce the effect), then use that information to adjust the Z along the length you intend to mill.
I loved working with some Parker Majestic’s from the 60’s making carbide inserts.
I’m rebuilding a grinder and this was helpful. I do believe there’s a special place in hell for people who put grease on oilers.
Also I miss educational videos like this, entertainment is great but nothing beats problem solving. 👍 thanks for taking the time
Boy.....That's a real nice milling machine..... I'm jealous.....
Hey from 2023.Post Plague addicted to youtube - looking for some of that old school TOT magic, plenty of travel here in the archives so I'
ll be sticking around for a bit to look into that
Straight edge video? It's interesting to navigate these This Young Old Tony videos.
The difference from now and this video is your way more serious in 2014.your one cool dude 📐
It's curious how you're spending time with relatively simple tools to establish precision in a machine that will then be able to reproduce its own precision in any workpiece in much shorter time. It's like you're huffing and puffing towards a milestone where once you're there, your speed of producing such precise surfaces goes up by magnitudes.
The science of precision has always blown my mind. Once upon a time, we couldn't hardly make uniform sticks, and over time, through many iterations of machines, we came to levels of precision once thought unattainable. It seems counterintuitive, I would expect that, if I use an imprecise machine to make something, and then use that something to make a machine, I would be multiplying just how imprecise my measurements are.
Now this is old Tony.
Crazy to see you walking around with the camera. I'm fairly new to your channel. 2 weeks old now... i think. Its nice to have a couple videos per day to watch. Thanks for the beautiful videos to watch while sick at home!
I ended up taking my table top of my mill to people who do this all the time. I had ideas of scraping it flat, but the cost of having it ground was very reasonable.
Ahh, the not so proverbial can of worms......happens every time. I commend your patients. Thanks for the video.
Holy crap, look at all the toys, I would never go inside.
Rescued from certain death. You are the machine's God!
Really nice video...above the regular grind (groan). I'm sorry it just slipped out, sometimes I just can't help myself. Thumbs up.
Scary stuff!
So much light! 🤣👍🏼💯
wow what a difference between your old video and your newer ones, almost didn't recognize it was you :) you certainly have evolved and warmed up to the whole video making thing from where you started, only one very light joke in this whole video :P awesome stuff brother keep up the great work :)
Damn, I can hear the sheer terror in your voice. Relax, it's just a hunk of eye-ron.
THIS YOUNG TONY!!!!
Is it wrong to be so committed to watching a video of metal scraping that you've actually subscribed to the channel....lol. Loving it...remaining single in Nova Scotia....!
I don't know if "wrong" is the right word, but you might want to talk about it with your doctor. ;)
Thanks for watching Mike!
Thanks for providing such informative videos! I'm a first year machining student at our local Community College.... loving your series..!!
omg. I forgot about this video. Thank you. I'm going through a similar thing, with a mill FULL of grease. I thought the thing felt pretty dialed in. Had full movement and even the backlash wasn't aweful. Perhaps it was just cold that day :) How did I not notice the grease? It's getting a teardown and cleaning, and then I'm putting it together to enjoy it. I'm also going to enjoy all this hindsight and experience I've gained, until I'm in a better position to correct it or replace it. I'm still bootstrapping here, and don't even have power. But I'm unemployed so I have some time finally :)
I think everything you do is interesting my wife laughs at me cause I watch you all the time lol
I was always a little curious about the surface grinder's backstory!
I learnt a bunch, but im still stupid though, great video!
I'm jelly over ur shop
I work at a tractor factory in the early 2000. There was a specialized department that re manufactured worn equipment. To repair the the surface as you are showing here, they used another surface grinder, and machine it until the surface was like a mirror.
I'm glad you have the patience for this so I don't have too. 😀
Old Tony, you are going to be the one rebuilding our civilization after it collapses :D
Just put a cocktail napkin under the back-left corner of the table and Bob's yer auntie!
You’ve come a long way baby...
Hi Tony. I have watched and enjoyed many of your videos. I seem to remember 2 in particular that I can't find on your site. One was for a grinding jig kit that I believe came with your Capco or arrived shortly there after. The other is making an insert tool holder. ok, ok I could be wrong but if not a little help finding these gems would be appreciated.
Take Care,
HM
Sorry.....I just realized that's yer OLD Bridgeport....'m lusting over your new Schaublin.13 which I can not afford at my advanced years.
Hah, similar problems with my 1958 Bridgeport. While they had not pumped grease into the Dzerks (I always spelled it with a "D", but google mostly spells it "zerk". Who knows?), but they had "serviced" the quill and managed to misalign the upper gasket oil hole to block oil coming from the cup. Sigh, rebuild the quill...
Then, try to find an oil gun that clamps onto a Dzerk locally (this well before the www). Universally told I was wrong, finally had to finagle something.
Dzus
For future reference, putting a spacer block on the mill's table when corner checking does away with a good portion of the "moon surface" issues. Before getting my table cleaned and scraped, that's how i got round.
The best bit of a surface grinder is that to some extent it can machine it's self into correct geometry.
My two large English made surface grinders use 30 W (industrial oil) in zerk fittings - manual says so. I think a paint pot and a grease hose and fitting on it. Pressurize pot and there you are. I've seen Grease pots that way I wanted to convert to oil.
This is going to be a great series on machine reconditioning. I can't wait to see the process and the results!
17:23, Tony, mill it again and if it reduces equally then you know the tollerances of your milling.
Obviously you want cutting with no heat and no chatter deflection.
Or just drag your mill tooling over face with shims to verify accuracy first.
Finally, never forget the bed ways (installed) , etc. do NOT climb down into a .ooo5 dip, it is not possible with proper shimming.
Thinking you are well beyond novice now with your scrapping! Great video and love the way you challenge yourself and keep on going. Curious how long the table is and if you are going to polish the Gib at the end? If you are down to 3-4tenths in a run that long its a magnificent Job...Well Done! Looking forward to more.
it's really fun to watch these old videos, you can really feel the videos humor developing. The timing is still very off, but the style is unmistakable.
Nice work I'm not sure I would have the patience to do such critical work, this is very interesting.
Can you do a video on your workbench sheet metal brake?
Just watched surface grinder rebuild you have more patience than me I would have junked it. I did enjoy your video and subscribed, will be catching up on your videos thanks for sharing.
For your next subscriber milestone, you should review your old videos!
legend has he's still pinning
Sometimes when you're taking I get flashbacks to M*A*S*H.
ha! Thanks for watching Tom.
xo,
- Hawkeye.
now i can't unhear Alan
Completely! even the sayings you have remind me of that era. That is Gold.
And if you slow down the sound of the milling cutter, you're there
Facepalm, of course. I was really hogging my brain trying to figure out exactly who he remind me of.
dumb question: when you laid the grinder table on the table of the mill, why did you not check corner 2 corner or for warp of the grinder table? seems like it would be a logical first step to do since you want as accurate of a result as you can get