Soldering is not a strong mechanical bond. Just a surface bond. It Melts at temperatures below 200F. It cracks under force, heat cycles or vibration and therefore needs strain relief to prevent joint failure. Usually only copper to copper joints in plumbing or electrical connections. Brazing is much stronger, enough that it can be structural. Is done at much higher temperature and can join several metals even dissimilar ones with a strong joint often as strong as welding. So, no. They’re not essentially the same.
It's a terrible joke. When you are really dirty and you take a bath, you can leave a ring of grime around the tub. The first one in is the leader, hence "ring-leader".
Also, since there are multiple people in the tub, obviously somebody had to come up with the idea and convince the others to bathe with him. Thus, double-entendre.
Matthew Montgomery. Yup. And if it were a given that the audience would understand the idea of sharing baths, this really dates the book. Do we have to rename the channel 'this archaic Tony'?
I like the longer videos. You aren't asking for 15 minutes of our time, you're granting us 15 minutes of yours. Now admittedly I'm not in your average viewer but I'm certainly happy when I see a longer video anyway.
It’s interesting to read all the “ringleader” joke theories posed here, and they’re likely proof of why people fail to understand the actions of their predecessors in history. For all the clever suggestions, the joke is certainly simple, was utterly obvious at the time, and would have been funny then. In an age when most of the population was rural, electricity and gas weren’t yet universal and were often quite rare, and therefore heating water was difficult and expensive, entire families shared bath water, which probably also had to be drawn by bucket from a well or hauled from a creek. People worked farms and “dirty jobs” industries, in the heat, got really dirty, and in many cases bathed only weekly. Where you might eventually make a dirt ring at the waterline today, the ring was “quick & dirty” then, pun intended-grime, oils, soap. So the first person in the tub, perhaps the head of household, was definitely the ringleader. Everyone used the word in its usual senses, so the pun was obvious. It’s been said that after a family of 10 finished bathing in the same water on a Saturday night, the water was opaque with dirt. Since children often bathed last, finishing with the youngest, the saying arose, “Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.” Its meaning is philosophical now, but then it was a joke that referred to the fact that the baby was practically invisible in the filthy water. Sounds disgusting, but after a week without any bath...maybe not. Many more people were poorly educated. A seventh-grade formal education wasn’t uncommon a century ago. Life necessitated work, not more school, but while they were behind us in formal education, they were often ahead in practical skills. Nonetheless, times were simpler and so was humor, so the ringleader joke would have been a lot funnier. It’s enlightening to hear old Vaudeville routines from those days. Their uproariously funny humor is beyond corny now, yet there’s a lot to be said for it in contrast to today’s comedy. As for modern interpretation of the ringleader joke, it’s easy to make the same errors people easily make when looking at any historical item. If you don’t know its context, you’ll inevitably judge it (distort it) by modern expectations, analyze aspects into it that never existed, subject it to your own biases, and reach a faulty conclusion. You have to be careful and thoughtful with the past. In some cases, people have forgotten that.
Thanks for that. I grew up on a dairy farm, and vaguely recall hearing this joke as a kid. Honestly, it probably fell as flat to me then as it did to me now, and had to be explained then as well. Your explanation seems correct. Matter of fact, the "dirt ring" was the thing that immediately popped into my head when I heard this joke for the first time, again(?). Indeed, the humor is probably lost without proper cultural and historical context. It was probably only because of my rural upbringing that I even managed to connect the dots to make this joke make sense. To most of the populace nowadays, even explaining the that it's a "dirt ring" would have left blank stares as taking a bath is far less common, much less sharing the same bathwater. Bathing. Reminds me of th-cam.com/video/dPmBle0Dljw/w-d-xo.html
Did you just come here to tell us how stupid us "muricans" are? I suppose you consider This Old Tony is in the same boat for simply posing the light-hearted question. What a miserable human being you must be, either delighting in the trolling of perfect strangers, or casting aspersions on others' intelligence simply because your cultural history differs from theirs. Perhaps both. Regardless, neither speaks well of your own intelligence or ability to see things from others' perspectives. Maybe if you use a few more swear words, you'll sound more intelligent and win people over to your argument.
Older cast iron bathtubs had a tendency to be cold around the edges and back in our day it was common (because it was so much work to heat up water on a wood stove) to not throw out the water from the first bather but simply heat it up with an extra pan of water. After a few bathers (normally kids in a family) there would be a waxy/greasy ring around the edge of the tub. Based on that, it’s amusing at best an appropriate for a 7 year old joke book from the early 30’s.
Yep my mom told me stories of half a dozen kids taking baths in the same water, and the younger kids had to go last as they were presumed to be more likely to pee in the tub.
The blue is surface impurities trapped by the flux from the cobalt matrix of the insert. You made Smalt, Cobalt Alumilite, where we get the famous Cobalt Blue.
Cobalt Glass! ?! Makes sense, if the "cemented" carbides are cemented with cobalt. Then you get cobalt oxides, which dissolve in the flux along with the other oxides, making your own custom bits of glass!
He seems to be, this isn't the first time...and he's talking about short videos. He's coo-coo. 3 fries short of a full meal, 9 horses behind the ring leader, one chip besides the shoulder...
My favorite part is him taking the time to specifically explain to us that brazing is not welding and then proceeds to refer to it as welding several times. Our minds are funny that way. Great video.
I remember those books! One of my favorite books was called "The Boy Electrician," or something like that. It was published in the 1940s and still in our library and contained safe and sane things you could do at home, like getting ahold of an old x-ray tube, building a high-voltage power supply, and using it to make radiographs of your hand, your sister, or whatever. It was probably that book that finally convinced me the grownups really were out to kill us. Well, that and the A. C. Gilbert Home Atomic Energy Lab, that contained a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber, maybe a Geiger counter, and, of course, samples of radioactive materials to make it all work.
can I just say. I'm going to school for mechanical engineering and I'm one year from graduation. Before this video I had no idea what the application of braising was. Thank you for putting the time in to teach guys like me, It has made me a way better designer and all around engineer. love this channel!
You are solidly in the #1 spot in my que. I had one teacher, once, during my formative years, that was able to deliver useful information with high-quality humor. This burned the info into my head and I still remember that Masvingo is the capitol of Zimbabwe. I LOVE Diresta, AvE, Tips from a Shipwright, Abom79, SV Seeker, Clickspring, etc., but you are #1 in my (current) book. Thanks a ton.
Not necessarily, in the country of Zimbabwe both the Province and Capital are Masvingo (province). So it's the capital of the province of the country? Confusing because there is just a town Masvingo as well, not Masvingo Province. OK I'm sleepy now
My dad was a career welder but he wasn't super great at explaining it to his spaz of a son. Thanks for going into detailed differences between silver soldering and silver brazing -- probably saved me a year in therapy right there.
I really enjoy (and learn from) your videos. But as a metallurgist, I have a few comments. "Soft solders" include the 96Tin-4Silver replacement for various Tin-Lead alloys. These alloys lack sufficient shear strength for tooling applications. "Hard solders" are brazing alloys, defined by the American Welding Society defines as having liquidus (flow) temperatures over 840F. Silvaloy 450, Safety-Silv 45 and other BAg-5 alloys are 45Ag-30Cu-25Zn and flow at ~1330F, plenty hot enough to soften high speed steels. When building carbide tipped tools with large surface area or corner/slot constraint, consider one of the trimetal shim preforms available from Lucas-Milhaupt. Silver-copper-silver (1-2-1)composites manage thermal stresses better and avoid carbide cracking. Obviously, the filler material and flux are in place before the torch is lit. Also, joint clearance is important. For the BAg-5 alloy, 0.003" per side is optimal and provides highest joint strength.
I work in band instrument repair. I fell down the rabbit hole of your channel because we do a lot of lathe work to make our own tools. Brass instruments are held together with solder, so we do a lot of that as well. My experience has mostly been with 94/6 and 96/4 tin/silver solder for what we call "soft" soldering. Something that we want to be able to take apart again some day. We tend to use the terms "hard soldering" "silver soldering" and "brazing" interchangeably, even though our soft solder is technically also a silver alloy. Silver soldering is for things we don't want to come apart again ever (broken parts or homemade tools, usually). It's interesting to learn more about soldering applications that I can bring to the shop. My friends and I love your content and humor. Keep it up! (:
I am late to this one but wanted to say that this was one of the most straight forward explanations of what Flux does when soldering I have come across. Thanks!
It must have fallen off the table... The one that has his vise mounted on... He might keep his "stick" in it and could get stuck... With a stuck "stick", how can you reach the top drawer? I mean not everyone is blessed with a large vise ...
Don't you ever dare apologizing for chit-chatting and long videos. I would never complain if the videos had more chit-chatting and were longer. They're good now too, matter fact, everything you upload is good. Keep it up!
Don't take this as a insult. I totally watch all your videos for their content. However your chill attitude and relaxed canter help me unwind and go to sleep. Thanks for the amazing videos. Seriously
Long videos are awesome. I love long youtube videos from any/all of my favorite creators because it means that there's a lot of content that they put time and knowledge into and I learn so much from the longer videos. It also works out when I can sit down with one video on my lunch break, rather than flipping through four or five, to fill the time.
Your videos are always a highlight of my day/week/month regardless of length! Just want to say thanks for what you put in to them because I love every second of them. Always brightens the day.
As someone who lived in an old country farmhouse and took baths in a big galvanized steel tub with water heated by cook stove, I can confirm that when multiple people take baths where you use the same water, there is a visible dirt ring left after the first person bathes which gets more pronounced as subsequent people take their baths... Is that simple. I already have a lifetime subscription to the channel so having my initials: RKP stamped under a handmade tool data plate will be reward enough.
I learned to braze when I was 12 years old. My Pop had a nice torch which used propane and compressed air. Lots of fun and functional too! Great video, thumbs up.
I had a "Puffin Joke Book" when about 7 yrs old (43 yrs ago) and can only remember one joke from it to this day: I'd tell you about the shark infested custard, but you'd never swallow it.
Tony, I hardly know anything about all of the wonderful things you talk about, honestly, but there's just a certain kind of enjoyment in watching your videos that is unbeaten by anyone else, thank you, this is just too pleasing.
If there is a better TH-cam videographer out there, please let me know. I spend most of my life here learning, laughing and loving everything I see and hear. I now know exactly what I cannot do. I know what I want to learn to do, and what I need to sell the house to afford to buy. When I am finished, This Old Tony will be the Dearly Departed Tony. God forbid. Geez, Heaven is gunna need a bigger workshop.
Tony, I love your vids, but this has got to be the best vid I have seen on silver brazing. You completely demystified the flux and filler material. Thanks
Okay, I have to make a confession: I have used Oxy-Acetylene to solder copper pipes. You have to be really gentle, though. I tried to show someone else how to do it -- he said he knew how to braze, so I assumed he could also solder. I looked away, and when I looked back the entire joint was glowing. He actually managed to fuse the copper joint together. Goes to show, don't assume that people know what you mean.
In German brazing is „Hartlöten“ and the other is „weichlöten“ „Weichlöten“ goes to 450 „Hartlöten“ goes to 1200 „Schweißen“ is all over 1200 Measurement is in Celsius Good day together
> Good day together German confirmed! (Guten Tag zusammen) In English you don't use "zusammen" to refer to the people present. It's more normal to say "all" or "everybody".
So coming back to this later and not sleep deprived, a good tip is to clamp the high speed steel into copper or aluminum blocks to help absorb the heat at the cutting edges which can be good if you really want to weld hot.
You need to also take into account that Baths were universal and showers weren't a thing until fairly recent. Like 1950's, so the "ring" would have been far more common knowledge.
I like how Scott from Essential Craftsman put it. He will make the video however long it needs to be to effectively convey the information that he needs to convey. If the topic takes 2 minutes to convey, the video will be 2 minutes. If the topic takes 40 minutes to convey, the video will be 40 minutes
Tony, you can have as much of my time as you are willing to take. night shift gets boring and you provide the entertainment that keeps me as sane as I can hope to be.
Appreciate the cameo from Alex French Guy Cooking. He sent me here. *gasp* I would never have found you without Alex. We have so much to thank him for...
Brazing, contrary to old timer assumptions, is not mechanical there actually is chemical fusion although the base parts aren't melted the atoms near the surface do diffuse and alloy. I think the term brazing actually [originally] referred specifically to hard soldering with brass and bronze, current common use is just a synonym for all hard or high temp soldering. Metallurgically speaking fusion welding also doesn't need more than an atom or two of penetration to achieve full strength, the hitch is in practically accomplishing that such precise fusion in a real world joint without significant flaws.
Excellent discription, yes, brazing temperatures does alloy with parent material, soldering does not. I am not sure in the regard to the sintered carbide, does it alloy, or does it penetrate the sintered structure. May I ask your opinion on this. Regards John.
Great video Tony as always! Mapp gas and a turbo torch would do the joints you did with no problem. anything bigger your right you need the oxy-acetylene. High speed steel brazes fine with safety-silv 56 which has a liquidus of 1205F which is in the realm of the red hardness range of high speed steel. The safety-silv 45 has a liquidus of 1370F so it would not be ideal. I only buy the 56 because it works better on just about everything. ATB, Robin
Reminds me of the bathtub joke on Sesame Street: Bert: “Ernie, why do you call the bathtub Rosie?” Ernie: “Well Bert, every time I have a bath, I leave a ring around Rosie” It’s jokes like these that left me isolated and alone as a child.
Jeeby creeby Ton the profanity has been off the charts in this and the last vid. You said BUM. Frankly, i'm appalled. What next, gentleman sausage in worktop clamping equipment?!
The first person in the bath creates the dirty ring around the water line, as others hop in, the water goes up, but the first guy was the ring leader. he started it. Love your show btw.
Theres not much i can say. I just love your vids to bits man. So enjoyable. So plain but so well done. So profound and interesting. Simply great entertainment. Thanks tony
Coincidentally, for me anyways, I just read a few days ago that the “mapp” gas in little yellow tanks isn’t true mapp gas of olden days but just a marketing name now. It’s temp is similar to propane. Environmental laws outlawed the good stuff.
Technically, it wasn't environmental laws. The components of true MAPP gas were originally essentially waste products, but then became valuable as feedstock for the plastics industry. Businesses being out there to make a profit, they stopped selling MAPP, and sold the gas to the plastics industry instead for a higher profit.
Hugh Jafro old news, MAPP hasn't been made in North America for years now, funny how they take propane add a couple additives and make you think it's real MAPP
Yes, the tungsten carbide is crystals in a cobalt matrix, a bit like carbon in steel. The cobalt forms oxides on the surface, and these are dissolved into the molten flux, forming a bluish glas.The green colour on the stainless shaft may be the nickel, iron and/ or chromium oxides also dissolving into the flux.
Small correction, carbon steel isn't carbon crystals in an iron matrix. The carbon is fully dissolved and thus part of the iron crystal lattice. Over 0.8% carbon(the eutectoid point) some of the carbon will combine with iron to create iron-carbide aka cementite which is separate particles in a steel matrix. In alloy steels tungstain, vanadium, and chromium are all strongly carbide forming alloys. (and why Cr must be over about 12% dependent on carbon content, before enough free metallic Cr is available to make stainless steel ) The border between steel and "iron" [in the blacksmith material sense] is that in steel all of the carbon can dissolve into the crystal structure (at the appropriate temperature) when allowed to reach chemical equilibrium, this has a maximum of about 2.0% carbon. (a few exotic alloys with lots of carbide formers can go a bit higher) Cast iron has about 4-5% carbon(the eutectic point) and so forms graphite particles that make grey cast iron grey when fractured and easy to machine being self lubricating and nice-chip forming This high carbon makes tons of cementite in "white" or "chilled" cast iron making it extremely abrasion resistant. (Molds are cooled and made with heat conductive materials to quench straight from the molten stage, this is not allowing chemical equilibrium.) White cast can formed on just one portion of a cast as well kind of like a case hardening, or it can then be heat treated further to convert the cabides back to carbon and make ductile or nodular cast iron. (I forget which one is made from white as I get the two mixed up. Nodular for sure has rounded nodules of graphite making it a bit more ductile than grey.)
The first thing I look at when seeing one of your videos is the timeline to see how long it is....anything less than 20mins and I am ever so slightly disappointed, but nonetheless still very happy to see one of your productions! Great video Tony, although I am still wondering what 'soddering' is....(I am British..) Thank you!
It appears that in the American language, any use of the letter L after an O gets dropped.... I watch another youtube channel of some guy in new york fixing laptops, and the amount of soddering he does is amazing....
Never mind sawdering, our great American cousins have started to pisspronounce Height incorrectly, listen closely and a good number say HEITH, drives me mad.
That Oatley stuff isn't silver solder. It's lead-free soft solder, mostly tin with a frisson of Ag to lower the melting point. Your silver blazing wire is silver solder, exactly what a jeweler would use.
It's absolutely still silver solder, just not the silver solder you're thinking of. There's a world of difference between what the jewellery, plumbing, and electronics industries consider "silver solder" to be. None of them would want to use the stuff from one of the others.
James Churchill No, there's no application where someone could specify silver solder where that Oately stuff would be acceptable. HVAC silver solder is at least 15% Ag, higher for joining dissimilar metals. That Oately stuff is lead-free soft solder for potable water connections. Usual composition is about 97-98% tin and 2% silver.
I said nothing about where they were applicable, I commented *only* on the industry-specific nature of the nomenclature. So I don't know what you're trying to argue against.
You need to be old school to get this one, you are correct, it was a nuns joke book ;-) it is talking about the bath ring left by unbathed people taking a bath (big issue in the old days) , leader, first in the bath sigh!@ do I need to explain this.
I was tool repairman for 3 years at a very large tooling company (I believe 26 worldwide locations?) My daily work load consisted of removing old, worn out guide pads and cutting inserts from tools, cleaning out the pockets, then cutting new carbide pieces or using precut PCD (diamond) cutting inserts and brazed them into the pockets before I sent them off to our wire EDM department, where they would cut the PCD inserts into shape. Our reamers had guide pads, which would precisely guide the tool through the bore that the cutting insert just created, and they would be ground within 3 microns. Whole shop had to be temperature controlled for accuracy on the machines. It was a fun job for a while, but now I never want to braze anything for as long as i live, lol. They paid me extremely well for doing it though.
Skip the chit-chat?! That's the whole reason why I watch these videos mate
Which is his ironic joke because the whole vid is talk.
Soldering is not a strong mechanical bond. Just a surface bond. It Melts at temperatures below 200F. It cracks under force, heat cycles or vibration and therefore needs strain relief to prevent joint failure. Usually only copper to copper joints in plumbing or electrical connections.
Brazing is much stronger, enough that it can be structural. Is done at much higher temperature and can join several metals even dissimilar ones with a strong joint often as strong as welding.
So, no. They’re not essentially the same.
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Hmmm , But your still good with the "Step into sexy" moment , right ?
It's a terrible joke. When you are really dirty and you take a bath, you can leave a ring of grime around the tub. The first one in is the leader, hence "ring-leader".
That's what I thought it must be as well.
Also, since there are multiple people in the tub, obviously somebody had to come up with the idea and convince the others to bathe with him. Thus, double-entendre.
Matthew Montgomery. Yup. And if it were a given that the audience would understand the idea of sharing baths, this really dates the book. Do we have to rename the channel 'this archaic Tony'?
I was thinking the same as well as filling once and then cycling people through, one at a time nobody else will have a higher ring on the tub.
I was thinking something to do with a circus.
I like the longer videos. You aren't asking for 15 minutes of our time, you're granting us 15 minutes of yours. Now admittedly I'm not in your average viewer but I'm certainly happy when I see a longer video anyway.
so, very, well said :) You're as awesome as TOT himself.
How can you have 1000 Subscribers and no videos?
Heron Guarezi India.
1400+ subs and no videos. Huh
Agreed.
It’s interesting to read all the “ringleader” joke theories posed here, and they’re likely proof of why people fail to understand the actions of their predecessors in history. For all the clever suggestions, the joke is certainly simple, was utterly obvious at the time, and would have been funny then. In an age when most of the population was rural, electricity and gas weren’t yet universal and were often quite rare, and therefore heating water was difficult and expensive, entire families shared bath water, which probably also had to be drawn by bucket from a well or hauled from a creek. People worked farms and “dirty jobs” industries, in the heat, got really dirty, and in many cases bathed only weekly. Where you might eventually make a dirt ring at the waterline today, the ring was “quick & dirty” then, pun intended-grime, oils, soap. So the first person in the tub, perhaps the head of household, was definitely the ringleader. Everyone used the word in its usual senses, so the pun was obvious. It’s been said that after a family of 10 finished bathing in the same water on a Saturday night, the water was opaque with dirt. Since children often bathed last, finishing with the youngest, the saying arose, “Don’t throw out the baby with the bath water.” Its meaning is philosophical now, but then it was a joke that referred to the fact that the baby was practically invisible in the filthy water. Sounds disgusting, but after a week without any bath...maybe not.
Many more people were poorly educated. A seventh-grade formal education wasn’t uncommon a century ago. Life necessitated work, not more school, but while they were behind us in formal education, they were often ahead in practical skills. Nonetheless, times were simpler and so was humor, so the ringleader joke would have been a lot funnier. It’s enlightening to hear old Vaudeville routines from those days. Their uproariously funny humor is beyond corny now, yet there’s a lot to be said for it in contrast to today’s comedy.
As for modern interpretation of the ringleader joke, it’s easy to make the same errors people easily make when looking at any historical item. If you don’t know its context, you’ll inevitably judge it (distort it) by modern expectations, analyze aspects into it that never existed, subject it to your own biases, and reach a faulty conclusion. You have to be careful and thoughtful with the past. In some cases, people have forgotten that.
so to put it simply its pretty much a "so why did the chicken cross the road - to get to the other side" joke
Thanks for that. I grew up on a dairy farm, and vaguely recall hearing this joke as a kid. Honestly, it probably fell as flat to me then as it did to me now, and had to be explained then as well. Your explanation seems correct. Matter of fact, the "dirt ring" was the thing that immediately popped into my head when I heard this joke for the first time, again(?). Indeed, the humor is probably lost without proper cultural and historical context. It was probably only because of my rural upbringing that I even managed to connect the dots to make this joke make sense. To most of the populace nowadays, even explaining the that it's a "dirt ring" would have left blank stares as taking a bath is far less common, much less sharing the same bathwater.
Bathing. Reminds me of th-cam.com/video/dPmBle0Dljw/w-d-xo.html
I thought this was a rick and morty "theoretical physics joke" meme.
Did you just come here to tell us how stupid us "muricans" are? I suppose you consider This Old Tony is in the same boat for simply posing the light-hearted question. What a miserable human being you must be, either delighting in the trolling of perfect strangers, or casting aspersions on others' intelligence simply because your cultural history differs from theirs. Perhaps both. Regardless, neither speaks well of your own intelligence or ability to see things from others' perspectives. Maybe if you use a few more swear words, you'll sound more intelligent and win people over to your argument.
VΛPOR SCUM Damn dude! You shut him right up! Lol, nicely put.
Pfff....don't worry about length. I released a 47min video, just to see what would happen, but really anything over 7 seconds is pushing it.
It will be relished!
And 2.5 hours of planing a log didn’t push it? 🤷♂️
I'm really gonna need you to write shorter sentences. I keep forgetting the start by the time I get to the end.
My exes said that same thing, "don't worry about length."
Seriously the best videos on TH-cam.
Hi Jerry!
Check out Filmmaker IQ. For the subject matter, they are on the same quality level.
I agree with you there, funny and educational.
Never skip the Chit chat Tony, you are a master at it. Truly love your work and have learned a lot from you. Many thanks and keep um coming.
Older cast iron bathtubs had a tendency to be cold around the edges and back in our day it was common (because it was so much work to heat up water on a wood stove) to not throw out the water from the first bather but simply heat it up with an extra pan of water. After a few bathers (normally kids in a family) there would be a waxy/greasy ring around the edge of the tub. Based on that, it’s amusing at best an appropriate for a 7 year old joke book from the early 30’s.
Yep my mom told me stories of half a dozen kids taking baths in the same water, and the younger kids had to go last as they were presumed to be more likely to pee in the tub.
Sounds about right to me!
The blue is surface impurities trapped by the flux from the cobalt matrix of the insert. You made Smalt, Cobalt Alumilite, where we get the famous Cobalt Blue.
Cobalt Glass! ?! Makes sense, if the "cemented" carbides are cemented with cobalt. Then you get cobalt oxides, which dissolve in the flux along with the other oxides, making your own custom bits of glass!
The boron in the fux made a nice green flame. (Sorry, I had to add this somewhere)
Why would I skip? You crazy?
Master of None no skipping allowed anyway.
Me, too!
I could listen to Tony all day
He seems to be, this isn't the first time...and he's talking about short videos. He's coo-coo. 3 fries short of a full meal, 9 horses behind the ring leader, one chip besides the shoulder...
Tony for President of youtube!
My favorite part is him taking the time to specifically explain to us that brazing is not welding and then proceeds to refer to it as welding several times.
Our minds are funny that way. Great video.
and then welds it with a tig at the end.
I remember those books! One of my favorite books was called "The Boy Electrician," or something like that. It was published in the 1940s and still in our library and contained safe and sane things you could do at home, like getting ahold of an old x-ray tube, building a high-voltage power supply, and using it to make radiographs of your hand, your sister, or whatever.
It was probably that book that finally convinced me the grownups really were out to kill us. Well, that and the A. C. Gilbert Home Atomic Energy Lab, that contained a spinthariscope, a cloud chamber, maybe a Geiger counter, and, of course, samples of radioactive materials to make it all work.
I remember "The Boy Electrician " with great fondness. My copy is no longer with me, but that book shaped my future.
"Don't eat the flux" needs to be on a t-shirt.
can I just say. I'm going to school for mechanical engineering and I'm one year from graduation. Before this video I had no idea what the application of braising was. Thank you for putting the time in to teach guys like me, It has made me a way better designer and all around engineer. love this channel!
You are solidly in the #1 spot in my que. I had one teacher, once, during my formative years, that was able to deliver useful information with high-quality humor. This burned the info into my head and I still remember that Masvingo is the capitol of Zimbabwe. I LOVE Diresta, AvE, Tips from a Shipwright, Abom79, SV Seeker, Clickspring, etc., but you are #1 in my (current) book. Thanks a ton.
I forgot "Hand Tool Rescue". But I am drinking my Friday cocktails. Sorry.
Pity your teacher's geography sucked... 😁
...and his English... apparently. Only Washington DC has a capitol... everywhere else has a capital. Yw.
Not necessarily, in the country of Zimbabwe both the Province and Capital are Masvingo (province). So it's the capital of the province of the country? Confusing because there is just a town Masvingo as well, not Masvingo Province. OK I'm sleepy now
So great to see that I'm not the only one with the very same twisted favourites! :D
Even if you made two hour videos every day, I'd happily watch every minute of your content. Your videos are absolutely awesome!
Skip the chit-chat?! Are you mad?
we cum here for the jokes and info.
Barking mad, I say.
'Dont eat the flux' would make a brilliant welding mask or tool box sticker.
I'm a plumber and I highly recommend only eating flux if you chase it with bleach. It's like a jack and coke speedball.
Flux and Draino. 😂😄
You'll need to chase him with an alkaseltzer
I need a t-shirt!!!
My dad was a career welder but he wasn't super great at explaining it to his spaz of a son. Thanks for going into detailed differences between silver soldering and silver brazing -- probably saved me a year in therapy right there.
I really enjoy (and learn from) your videos. But as a metallurgist, I have a few comments. "Soft solders" include the 96Tin-4Silver replacement for various Tin-Lead alloys. These alloys lack sufficient shear strength for tooling applications. "Hard solders" are brazing alloys, defined by the American Welding Society defines as having liquidus (flow) temperatures over 840F. Silvaloy 450, Safety-Silv 45 and other BAg-5 alloys are 45Ag-30Cu-25Zn and flow at ~1330F, plenty hot enough to soften high speed steels. When building carbide tipped tools with large surface area or corner/slot constraint, consider one of the trimetal shim preforms available from Lucas-Milhaupt. Silver-copper-silver (1-2-1)composites manage thermal stresses better and avoid carbide cracking. Obviously, the filler material and flux are in place before the torch is lit. Also, joint clearance is important. For the BAg-5 alloy, 0.003" per side is optimal and provides highest joint strength.
Thank you! I'm really grateful, you don't find this type of informations just everywhere! 😊✌️
two videos in one week? Sweeeeeet!
Right. Now we only get 1 every couple months
U are not the conventional TH-cam channel where I would skip the bits I don't care about but I care about everything in ur videos.
This channel has got to be one of - if not THE - best, most educational and entertaining channel around. Thank you for your effort.
Thanks! and thanks for watching Philip. I appreciate it.
I work in band instrument repair. I fell down the rabbit hole of your channel because we do a lot of lathe work to make our own tools. Brass instruments are held together with solder, so we do a lot of that as well. My experience has mostly been with 94/6 and 96/4 tin/silver solder for what we call "soft" soldering. Something that we want to be able to take apart again some day. We tend to use the terms "hard soldering" "silver soldering" and "brazing" interchangeably, even though our soft solder is technically also a silver alloy. Silver soldering is for things we don't want to come apart again ever (broken parts or homemade tools, usually). It's interesting to learn more about soldering applications that I can bring to the shop.
My friends and I love your content and humor. Keep it up! (:
I am late to this one but wanted to say that this was one of the most straight forward explanations of what Flux does when soldering I have come across. Thanks!
The floor is no place to keep that Avon79 sexy cream! Gotta keep it in the top drawer!
It must have fallen off the table... The one that has his vise mounted on... He might keep his "stick" in it and could get stuck... With a stuck "stick", how can you reach the top drawer? I mean not everyone is blessed with a large vise ...
No doubt affiliated with the "hand cranking"
Lol ya that was funny along with the hand crank joke. Some men carry there girlfriends with them at all times LMAO
Don't you mean Abom79 Hand cream? We all saw the video in the bathroom...:)
“Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity.”
-Simone Weil
And no matter how long the video you will always have our full attention.
Don't you ever dare apologizing for chit-chatting and long videos. I would never complain if the videos had more chit-chatting and were longer. They're good now too, matter fact, everything you upload is good. Keep it up!
Extremely professional, always high quality content and pure gold sense of humor.
Don't take this as a insult. I totally watch all your videos for their content. However your chill attitude and relaxed canter help me unwind and go to sleep. Thanks for the amazing videos. Seriously
I come here for the slope of the tangents.
Long videos are awesome. I love long youtube videos from any/all of my favorite creators because it means that there's a lot of content that they put time and knowledge into and I learn so much from the longer videos. It also works out when I can sit down with one video on my lunch break, rather than flipping through four or five, to fill the time.
Your videos are always a highlight of my day/week/month regardless of length! Just want to say thanks for what you put in to them because I love every second of them. Always brightens the day.
so it took you almost 6 minutes to intro this brazing video, that is quite unprecedented, and thank you, I loved every second!!!
As someone who lived in an old country farmhouse and took baths in a big galvanized steel tub with water heated by cook stove, I can confirm that when multiple people take baths where you use the same water, there is a visible dirt ring left after the first person bathes which gets more pronounced as subsequent people take their baths... Is that simple.
I already have a lifetime subscription to the channel so having my initials: RKP stamped under a handmade tool data plate will be reward enough.
The thing I hate about your videos is that they end.
Hand cranking jokes? AvE hanging around your shop recently.....
I'm still not convinced that they are different people
Great lesson!!
thanks JD! hey.. you ever done any brazing?
This Old Tony Jimmy left you on read for two years 🤐 He’s not saying LOL
@@jaredj631 maybe hes been learning brazing so he can show TOT that he can do it. But I think the magic is in the sexy cream
I learned to braze when I was 12 years old. My Pop had a nice torch which used propane and compressed air. Lots of fun and functional too! Great video, thumbs up.
I had a "Puffin Joke Book" when about 7 yrs old (43 yrs ago) and can only remember one joke from it to this day:
I'd tell you about the shark infested custard, but you'd never swallow it.
Well, I'd tell you the funny story about the eel who fell in the bucket of motor oil, but I doubt you could handle it.
@@GenoLoma variation II: "grasp it".
The longer the better!
That's what she said
PinkPonyOfPrey freakin stole my punchline
length dont mean anything if you don't have the girth to back it up though
It isn't about the size of the boat, it's all about the motion of the ocean. That's why our Navy only has really small ships...
Oh wait...
The only channel where youtube's auto-gen subs actually subtitles the mill's sound as [Applause]!
Hah yeah, I saw that on another video and I had to pause it from laughing too hard.
Tony, I hardly know anything about all of the wonderful things you talk about, honestly, but there's just a certain kind of enjoyment in watching your videos that is unbeaten by anyone else, thank you, this is just too pleasing.
298hep23879asb845 try Food Wishes
I've been watching TOT videos for 8 hours and still can't stop. You rock thank you for what you do
If there is a better TH-cam videographer out there, please let me know.
I spend most of my life here learning, laughing and loving everything I see and hear.
I now know exactly what I cannot do. I know what I want to learn to do, and what I need to sell the house to afford to buy. When I am finished, This Old Tony will be the Dearly Departed Tony. God forbid.
Geez, Heaven is gunna need a bigger workshop.
Tony, I love your vids, but this has got to be the best vid I have seen on silver brazing. You completely demystified the flux and filler material. Thanks
Okay, I have to make a confession: I have used Oxy-Acetylene to solder copper pipes. You have to be really gentle, though.
I tried to show someone else how to do it -- he said he knew how to braze, so I assumed he could also solder. I looked away, and when I looked back the entire joint was glowing. He actually managed to fuse the copper joint together.
Goes to show, don't assume that people know what you mean.
But did the joint hold water?
In German brazing is „Hartlöten“ and the other is „weichlöten“
„Weichlöten“ goes to 450
„Hartlöten“ goes to 1200
„Schweißen“ is all over 1200
Measurement is in Celsius
Good day together
Good ol german over engineering.
Exactly. Hard soldering,soft soldering and welding.
This is 2018. Why do you archaic heathens refuse to use Kelvin?
(this is humor if there is a translation problem)
wolfedog99 Close only counts in horseshoes buddy.
> Good day together
German confirmed! (Guten Tag zusammen)
In English you don't use "zusammen" to refer to the people present. It's more normal to say "all" or "everybody".
By far the most thorough and well-explained video on this subject. Thank you for stuffing some knowledge into my brains!
You’re videos keep me interested during the day and lull me to sleep at night. The wonderful balance of machinist TH-camrs
this made my friday evening! Cheers from Iceland!
Sigurbjörn Gauti Rafnsson Bjork for president
So coming back to this later and not sleep deprived, a good tip is to clamp the high speed steel into copper or aluminum blocks to help absorb the heat at the cutting edges which can be good if you really want to weld hot.
18:43 "I just used a zip disk..." And then all the retro computer dorks were confused.
I'm very well established in this field and I very vaguely have a clue what he's talking about lol. A grinder cutting disc is where my money's at. 😂
And if that doesn't cut through the HSS you use a Jaz disk instead.
@@totallynotabot151 If you don't have a Dremel on hand, a Clik! disk works too
Tony, I could sit and listen to you all day. I look forward to all your new videos, please keep them coming.
Plumber here, soldering (>450°f) doesn't have the PSI rating that brazing (
I think ‘the ring’ refers to the ring of dirt left around a bathtub which marks the high tide.
atho9e that makes the most sense out of the other explanations I read. Highest ring due to water displacement. Superb observation sir.
That's where I am with the joke as well.
I was going to say the same thing!
You need to also take into account that Baths were universal and showers weren't a thing until fairly recent. Like 1950's, so the "ring" would have been far more common knowledge.
I like how Scott from Essential Craftsman put it. He will make the video however long it needs to be to effectively convey the information that he needs to convey. If the topic takes 2 minutes to convey, the video will be 2 minutes. If the topic takes 40 minutes to convey, the video will be 40 minutes
If the book had such an impact on your life it might be that the joke’s on you.
Tony, you can have as much of my time as you are willing to take. night shift gets boring and you provide the entertainment that keeps me as sane as I can hope to be.
Appreciate the cameo from Alex French Guy Cooking. He sent me here. *gasp* I would never have found you without Alex. We have so much to thank him for...
I really enjoye the longer video's keep the good work up 🤘
Reminds me of that movie with two guys walking up a mountain to destroy a ring. Brokeback mountain.
I see what you did there
BOO!
Jim Alley
No, your thinking of hump crack mountain 😂
Thank you for stopping to explain the difference between silver soldering and silver brazing. I had wondered about that.
Who is here at the end of 2020?
Never will I ever use any of this info, but its just interesting to watch and listen. Thank you!
You are great!! Thank you for talking the time to show us how to do things in a manner that is so entertaining!
That step into sexy joke was pretty brazen.
I'm till trying to picture the Avon 79. Perhaps the 7 is just a sharpened 6. Speaking of tools...
The set-up to which is forshadowed at 1:05, and again at aprox 1:45.
Brazing, contrary to old timer assumptions, is not mechanical there actually is chemical fusion although the base parts aren't melted the atoms near the surface do diffuse and alloy.
I think the term brazing actually [originally] referred specifically to hard soldering with brass and bronze, current common use is just a synonym for all hard or high temp soldering.
Metallurgically speaking fusion welding also doesn't need more than an atom or two of penetration to achieve full strength, the hitch is in practically accomplishing that such precise fusion in a real world joint without significant flaws.
Excellent discription, yes, brazing temperatures does alloy with parent material, soldering does not. I am not sure in the regard to the sintered carbide, does it alloy, or does it penetrate the sintered structure. May I ask your opinion on this. Regards John.
Great video Tony as always! Mapp gas and a turbo torch would do the joints you did with no problem. anything bigger your right you need the oxy-acetylene. High speed steel brazes fine with safety-silv 56 which has a liquidus of 1205F which is in the realm of the red hardness range of high speed steel. The safety-silv 45 has a liquidus of 1370F so it would not be ideal. I only buy the 56 because it works better on just about everything.
ATB, Robin
I don't care if the videos are long, i want to watch videos that are 30 min, it's nice to have something to watch.
Oh my gosh French Guy Cooking, I’ve watched him for like 2 years I can’t believe someone else watches him
Now his channel is just called "Alex" and I don't know how I feel about it.
Reminds me of the bathtub joke on Sesame Street:
Bert: “Ernie, why do you call the bathtub Rosie?”
Ernie: “Well Bert, every time I have a bath, I leave a ring around Rosie”
It’s jokes like these that left me isolated and alone as a child.
felt that, honestly plus the joke is a1
Was that Alex French Guy cooking??
the YT algorithms just introduced me to him yesterday and now he pops up in a COMPLETELY unrelated channel(or is it?). The universe is out to get me
Me too! Weird.
#Spreaditlikebutter
Arnþór Gíslason no more are they unrelated :))
I guess that you haven't seen where Tony rebuilds Alex's Pasta machine
Be aware that sometimes in amazon you find counterfeit solder that has much less silver than expected.
Me personally I don't mind the long videos it has good content and you're very informative thanks for what you do keep up the good work
At this point Ive watched so many of you're videos that I feel like I'm getting to know your well manicured hands personally. Good stuff Tony!
Tony needs a new camera that does progressive instead of interlace video.
I was thinking the very same thing.
yeah, I have a hard time watching
Haven't noticed before. Maybe a timeline setting gone wrong.
Jeeby creeby Ton the profanity has been off the charts in this and the last vid. You said BUM.
Frankly, i'm appalled. What next, gentleman sausage in worktop clamping equipment?!
Not when it's being hand-cranked *cough
iwtommo You have been watching too much AvE.
Gotta keep that Richard in a bad habit.
oxy(acetylene)moron
Is it 1080i or is the the codec? Why does the video look weird (weird lines as if I am watching TV)?
Yup, it's interlaced footage (interwoven half-frames like old TV) and when anything moves fast it really, REALLY shows.
The first person in the bath creates the dirty ring around the water line, as others hop in, the water goes up, but the first guy was the ring leader. he started it.
Love your show btw.
Theres not much i can say. I just love your vids to bits man. So enjoyable. So plain but so well done. So profound and interesting. Simply great entertainment. Thanks tony
Had to look up "impetus" 7:11 ... sometimes I learn more than just machining, and I've never touched a lathe.
Coincidentally, for me anyways, I just read a few days ago that the “mapp” gas in little yellow tanks isn’t true mapp gas of olden days but just a marketing name now. It’s temp is similar to propane. Environmental laws outlawed the good stuff.
Technically, it wasn't environmental laws. The components of true MAPP gas were originally essentially waste products, but then became valuable as feedstock for the plastics industry. Businesses being out there to make a profit, they stopped selling MAPP, and sold the gas to the plastics industry instead for a higher profit.
Hugh Jafro old news, MAPP hasn't been made in North America for years now, funny how they take propane add a couple additives and make you think it's real MAPP
If it's not methylacetylene-propadiene propane then it's not mapp.
propylene gas (usually with
Yep. You can pay 3x the price to get another 100F.
Carbide-tipped Nerf dart 😂
God I love this dude ❤️
Dude you're funny, articulate, and a very quick witted teacher. I thought I knew it all until I
I don't want to skip the chit chat! That's why I love your videos so much. AND MAN THE RING ROLLER VIDEO WAS AWESOME! I LOVE THE 30 MIN VIDEOS!
So many videos, so quick. Cannot handle the awesome..... Ded
16:20 that blue stuff is some cobalt compound
what does it taste like though? minty?
Yes, the tungsten carbide is crystals in a cobalt matrix, a bit like carbon in steel. The cobalt forms oxides on the surface, and these are dissolved into the molten flux, forming a bluish glas.The green colour on the stainless shaft may be the nickel, iron and/ or chromium oxides also dissolving into the flux.
Also the flux he used said it was boron modified and boron can give a blue color as well.
yay, i'm getting flashbacks to inorganic chemistry labs!
Small correction, carbon steel isn't carbon crystals in an iron matrix. The carbon is fully dissolved and thus part of the iron crystal lattice. Over 0.8% carbon(the eutectoid point) some of the carbon will combine with iron to create iron-carbide aka cementite which is separate particles in a steel matrix. In alloy steels tungstain, vanadium, and chromium are all strongly carbide forming alloys. (and why Cr must be over about 12% dependent on carbon content, before enough free metallic Cr is available to make stainless steel )
The border between steel and "iron" [in the blacksmith material sense] is that in steel all of the carbon can dissolve into the crystal structure (at the appropriate temperature) when allowed to reach chemical equilibrium, this has a maximum of about 2.0% carbon. (a few exotic alloys with lots of carbide formers can go a bit higher)
Cast iron has about 4-5% carbon(the eutectic point) and so forms graphite particles that make grey cast iron grey when fractured and easy to machine being self lubricating and nice-chip forming
This high carbon makes tons of cementite in "white" or "chilled" cast iron making it extremely abrasion resistant. (Molds are cooled and made with heat conductive materials to quench straight from the molten stage, this is not allowing chemical equilibrium.)
White cast can formed on just one portion of a cast as well kind of like a case hardening, or it can then be heat treated further to convert the cabides back to carbon and make ductile or nodular cast iron. (I forget which one is made from white as I get the two mixed up. Nodular for sure has rounded nodules of graphite making it a bit more ductile than grey.)
The first thing I look at when seeing one of your videos is the timeline to see how long it is....anything less than 20mins and I am ever so slightly disappointed, but nonetheless still very happy to see one of your productions! Great video Tony, although I am still wondering what 'soddering' is....(I am British..) Thank you!
It appears that in the American language, any use of the letter L after an O gets dropped.... I watch another youtube channel of some guy in new york fixing laptops, and the amount of soddering he does is amazing....
So we should call him Od Tony?
Martin Jones
As an American I probably wouldn’t notice if what you said is true, but I’m pretty sure it’s limited to the word solder
its probably less common in some regions.... but tool is often pronounced as two,,,,, its got to the point I listen for it !!!
Never mind sawdering, our great American cousins have started to pisspronounce Height incorrectly, listen closely and a good number say HEITH, drives me mad.
I like long videos. If they're good (like yours are), I have no problem with treating it like a television show and sitting down for a half-hour.
Nice! Good and old “magic”! It is a technology that is forgotten for many people. Amazing video, as usual.
Just found your channel recently and I binged a whole lot of your videos, they are great! Are you planning to do a copper brazing video next ?
The first book I ever checked out was a book about Space, one of those big ones. I have been a Science nut ever since.
That Oatley stuff isn't silver solder. It's lead-free soft solder, mostly tin with a frisson of Ag to lower the melting point.
Your silver blazing wire is silver solder, exactly what a jeweler would use.
It's absolutely still silver solder, just not the silver solder you're thinking of. There's a world of difference between what the jewellery, plumbing, and electronics industries consider "silver solder" to be. None of them would want to use the stuff from one of the others.
James Churchill No, there's no application where someone could specify silver solder where that Oately stuff would be acceptable. HVAC silver solder is at least 15% Ag, higher for joining dissimilar metals. That Oately stuff is lead-free soft solder for potable water connections. Usual composition is about 97-98% tin and 2% silver.
I said nothing about where they were applicable, I commented *only* on the industry-specific nature of the nomenclature. So I don't know what you're trying to argue against.
I find your videos very soothing and mesmerizing to watch much like Bob Ross painting a mountain scene
You're awesome Tony. Love your work, I've learned so much. 👍🏻
I owe my thread cutting to you...
Bath ring, we call it the tide mark in our house.
You need to be old school to get this one, you are correct, it was a nuns joke book ;-) it is talking about the bath ring left by unbathed people taking a bath (big issue in the old days) , leader, first in the bath sigh!@ do I need to explain this.
Video appears interlaced :(
Just get a 1080i CRT, it will look great!
What is interlaced?
the funniest thing about that joke has just been reading all the comments...!
I was tool repairman for 3 years at a very large tooling company (I believe 26 worldwide locations?) My daily work load consisted of removing old, worn out guide pads and cutting inserts from tools, cleaning out the pockets, then cutting new carbide pieces or using precut PCD (diamond) cutting inserts and brazed them into the pockets before I sent them off to our wire EDM department, where they would cut the PCD inserts into shape.
Our reamers had guide pads, which would precisely guide the tool through the bore that the cutting insert just created, and they would be ground within 3 microns. Whole shop had to be temperature controlled for accuracy on the machines. It was a fun job for a while, but now I never want to braze anything for as long as i live, lol. They paid me extremely well for doing it though.