Finding the Best Midrange in Disc Golf
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.พ. 2021
- It’s the age old question: What is the best midrange in disc golf? In this video I test out a handful to attempt to answer that question.
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Thanks EMac!
Looking forward to the Trash Panda version of Lucid-X!
Just bought an EMac truth yesterday. Can't wait to try it out!
Design a small diameter EMac Truth!!! 🔥
@@ReluctantAardvark Trash-X! :)
If I were designing a midrange, I'd want one that just auto goes in the basket. I think it being made in recycled plastic guarantees this is possible.
I'll see what I can do 😂
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf Looks like you've done it! #dune
Great flow in this video as well!! /Jonathan
Too kind man! Thank you!
My favorite thing in a stable midrange is a disc that is truly neutral. Has no turn, even in a headwind, and no fade if thrown flat. I used to be afraid of my Mako 3 because it felt so touchy with the release angle. But now that I’ve been working on my form I find myself reaching for it more and more. Whatever angle I put it on, it holds all the way to the ground
I definitely love a disc with the perfect touch and Mako 3's are fantastic, but I'm personally biased to a disc with a small, reliable fade for the best "all around" - short and long range, high and low power, etc. (All that said, my form could still use a ton of work 😂)
I love my Mako3s. I use them constantly, such a great disc. Feels amazing in the hand as well.
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf haha to be fair, my go-to is a Vibram Ibex (Buzzz). So right with you there, just been learning to trust the Mako3 recently and it’s been fun 😎 🥏. Both my Ibex and my Buzzz turn over in a headwind, so I always go Zone instead. Mako3 might be a second option if I can get it down
Trash Panda/Mark Rober collab when????
Haha one day!
Mako 3 (semi-shallow/ beadless)
I was thinking the same thing. Mako3 is more akin to a Compass than the Roc3. Still an awesome video
Makes a great putter too. Anything that's 5/4/-1/1 is gonna be the best all arounder.
Mako3 easily the best midrange. It just goes where you throw it without movement left or right
yup
Homie crushed a kaxe z 4 bills and didn't even brag about it
That is what makes Jesse, Jesse. Speak softly and throw mad far...
casual Jesse things. Certified humble crusher.
You're all too kind!
How far did the others go?
For real!
I know everyone has their opinion, but I went through this journey years ago. My answer was and still is the Millennium QMS. Does exactly what your wrist tells it to and holds. Super shapeable. The only time I don't use it is when I grab a San Marino Q Sentinel for headwinds and a a bit more overstable. Good luck finding any of those though.
Love the content!
Took some bags out to my local course....got 3 full bags of trash! Thank you for being such a major influence on the game and my mindset!
I can’t wait to keep it up and see the progress made around the course!
This is amazing Ryan! So stoked to hear this!! I'm honored.
@@TrashPandaDiscGolf the honor is all mine! Keep it up and eagerly await all the coming content.
I just love how the Compass always gets overlooked. It scores second to the EMac Truth but doesn't get a mention. In video after video that I've seen, the Compass is always regarded as a does-everything-well midrange, and then gets passed over. Personally, I've not thrown anything that can match it. The Compass holds almost any line, is absolutely reliable forehand or backhand, has great glide and yet holds up in moderate wind. I get better distance with my Compass then with an EMac and more consistent lines then with a Buzz. About the only thing I've tried that can compete are Rocs, but I hate the way they feel. The Compass is one of the all time greats.
This video was right on time as I was just thinking about buying some more mids!
It's always sad the MVP Matrix gets overlooked, but I must say it's a keeper in my bag. lol Thanks for the vid as always.
Thank you! I'll add the Matrix to my ever growing list of discs to try!
The MVP Reactor is another great midrange! My most used mid for sure
My thoughts exactly
The MVP reactor and the Axiom Pyro are my go to midranges. I truly believe the reactor is the best midrange in the game.
I love the matrix. I actually have 2 of them in my bag. One at 168 and one at 174. Bought one off Sarah hokom when they came to Idlewild. Great disc. Flies as straight as can be.
I've been thinking of designing a disc throwing arm for testing out discs. Maybe this video is the inspiration I need to start doing some sketching and creating some 3D
It would be an awesome project!
Yeah i was thinking the same thing. Then it all seemed to hard. Lol
A simpler but possible to build design is probably the way go to start with
@@snikwahjets I was thinking of trying to modify one of those clay pigeon launchers
It's amazing at how your forehand is excellent. I love the truth for over-stable to stable, the Buzzz for stable and the Reactor for under-stabilitity
Thanks Allen!
I'm not super experienced, entering my 3rd year of disc golf this coming April. I have so far thrown the Buzzz, EMac Truth, Compass, Kaxe-Z (pronounced Kah-k-seh - saeta in Swedish), and I had a flirt with a Roc3 for a while too. My go-to is definitely the Kaxe-X, but I love all the others too. It truly is subjective, and so far the only midrange I've aced with is the EMac Truth. I look forward to every episode you post, to see your progress and see where you end up in your recycled world. I'm a huge supporter of reusing and recycling, so I'm always happy to see a new video from you. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Thomas! Your words mean a ton to me. I really appreciate it!
I love the trash panda story. I love your excitement for the sport. The passion is infectious.
Great video as always! I recently got my first very overstable mid (Innova Caiman) and in just one round it's got a slot in my bag. I never realized how useful it would be to use a disc that I can NOT torque away on accidental anhyzer, and it still goes super straight but with a solid fade finish. It's certainly not replacing my Buzzz anytime soon, but overstable discs are quickly becoming some favorites of mine.
Love it! An overstable mid is an absolute must in my bag too!!
Ripped a Kaxe Z farther than I get my Wraith 😂 I throw a super beat up RocX3 for most of my midrange throws. Awesome video per usual man
Another great content video. Thanks for sharing. Right now I have 2 Buzzes and 2 eMac truths in my bag. Trying to get on top of what I will be throwing this year to hopefully improve my game. Leage starts out on the plains in a couple of weeks and I have signed up for tournaments in Cheyenne the first part of April.
I agree about the truth and the buzz having a baby. Would be a great combo. Good luck.
Thanks Brian! Good luck on your season's start!!
if i were going to throw just one midrange it would be an Innova Mako3. I have a flexible Star that i can throw on any angle, and I have a Champion that flies a little more overstable, but it's my favorite. I can also throw it in *any* shot form.
Great video! Thanks for helping me find a good midrange!
Emac Truth is hands down the best midrange ever. I used to bag 3 of them
@@orion7741 nope the buzzz is
@@toivovenalainen1227 nah roc
Super cool to see AGL in the mix, absolutely recommend everyone try the Magnolia. Absolutely a staple in my bag along with my compass and harp
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I've been playing for so long and have gone through so many mid-ranges. Recently I've settled on 2 - the eMac Truth and a Buzzz SS. These discs can shape a wide range of shots and the Truth basically functions like a longer Buzzz for me - they feel completely different in the hand, but oddly are both comfortable to throw both BH and FH. I'm old and have a noodle arm, so your mileage may vary. Love your videos Trash Panda! 400 feet with a mid? Insane!
Haha thanks for the feedback Ed! Totally agree!
No MVP love. The Reactor is a beast!
I know it's technically an understable disc, but the Buzzz SS is by far my favorite mid. It holds both anhy and hyzer lines and when thrown flat, is like a dang laser beam.
I've had the same experience with the SS. It does make me wonder thougb, why some people have more luck with it on a flat release when the original buzzz is more stable?
Any mid that has a nice reliable fade is my jam. I bag 2 lucid Truths. That 0-2 is in beatable. If you could turn a katana or a tern into a mid rage so you get that huge flex but still have it fade back at the end, that would be sick. Keep up the good work.
Great video. Thanks for sharing! 🤙
Thanks Colin!
Why didn’t you test the mako 3 5/5/0/0 ?straightest mid I’ve ever thrown.
It's stable but all the ones he is testing are slightly overstable or straight with some fade, more reliable than a mako3
@Golf Life me too. My only mid-range I use when going straight at the basket
Great question! I tested stable discs with reliable fades because of the versatility in power/torque/angle etc. (Also based off of how I throw, which is totally subjective!) I'd love to hear how it goes if you do some tests yourself and include it!
Kaxe/Kaxe Z will always get my vote due to how comfortable they are BH and FH. My issue with most of those midranges is the FH comfort. It would be neat to see a Kaxe type disc dialed back to a 4.5!
Totally agree with the forehand comfort! It's such a hard balance.
I've had the same MVP Proton Matrix in my bag for 4+ years now. It's basically the Swiss Army knife of my mid line-up. It's low and flat profile is something I strongly favor, and the in hand feel is perfect too. If you haven't gotten your hands on one I strongly recommend it.
"Swiss Army knife" of your mids... What a great way to describe a disc! Will add it to the list!
Currently the z buzzz is my favorite. Doesn’t have too much or too little of anything seems like. Just consistently performs well. Great video 🙂
Thanks Kendall!
Should have thrown an MVP Reactor!
The kaxe z is the most turn and torque resistant, highly recommend as "longer buzzz".
As others have mentioned the MVP Reactor is the best overall mid I've ever thrown. Does exactly what you want it to do. Shallow, not too stable, not too understable, holds any line you put it on. And as long as you don't throw a massive anhyzer it will always fade out a bit. I know you're only after wing shape, but try the Eclipse 2.0 glow one, feels better than the Neutron to me. I like the Kaxe Z but, but surprised it's in this list. I find it to be more of hybrid mid/fairway as well. Keep up the good work!
Great feedback!! Will definitely check it out!
Love all of your videos!
What's on the inside pole of your basket?
I've always thought the Kaxe and Kaxe z should be categorized as fairway drivers. I bag them both (and a leopard) for that purpose.
For the midrange I've found the innova spider to be the straightest one for me. Goes straight on a flat release, simple point and shoot.
Love you and your mentality! 😻
Thanks a ton for the comment! They are technically categorized as "midrange drivers" so I think you're right. It fits perfectly!
I love Kastaplast, and as soon as i threw my first Kaxe Z it went in my bag. However, it's a Midrange driver with the sharp edge, kinda like the Zombee from Discraft. Kastaplast mids are the Stal and the Gote. That being said my faves that i have thrown over the years: Roc3, EMAC Truth, Claymore and my current bagger MX-3 from Prodigy. So i think it's really just feel, for every disc. Finally i will say that the Kaxe Z really likes to fly at the basket. I swear i'm gonna hit and ace with mine someday.
Great stuff man! Agreed on the KaxeZ - definitely fills a slot I didn't know I needed with that "midrange driver" 🔥
First american ive seen use kasta plast, gotta love that!! I don't know how big they are in the US but gotta love to see Swedish discs thrown on the other side of the Atlantic!!
Thanks Elvis! I'm stoked to see them get bigger out here too!
I currently use a M3, Mako3, Buzz, KC Roc. I have played with several people using the Truth lately, I will check it out.
I love my Emac Truth and Buzz! They fly exactly how I want my mids to fly. I also love my Claymore!
I love using the compass. Also the Roc3 and the buzz. But would a mix between the three be any good? Idk, they are perfect as they are for what ever throw is needed.
I'll see what I can do bro!
Would you say that the emac truth and the md3 feel similar in the hand?
I love the feel of a Roc/Roc3 its deeper and just feels good in my hand to me. I cant even throw a Buzzz since its too shallow for me personally.
MVP Reactor is also a pretty nice disc
Hey just started watching your page and like the content! Have you ever tried innova's lion in a champion plastic? I feel like that for me is the best mid range disc I have ever used
Thank you! And yes I have. I actually almost used it for this video instead of the Roc3..
I've wanted to see Mark Rober or Dustin from smarter everyday build a disc launcher. Not only to throw them normally but also try to hit a literal mile like Dustin's supersonic baseball cannon...
Agreed! Would totally love to see that!
Smarter every day live near me - I've met him a few times
great video! even though I prefer my Westside Warship as my go to midrange always.
Thanks Drake!
I love throwing mids, my favorite for straight shots is a claymore or Buzzz SS and I have a couple esp Buzzzs I can throw as hard as a driver and they will come out of it, I love the Buzzz 🐝
Also I have that Paige tour series Buzzz and it's pretty glidey and a little domey, any of the 4claws seem to be able to take huge torque and easier for forehand in my opinion. That's not to say I also have 12 different versions of rocs floating around lol, Buzzz took the spot away
Haha love it!
I really like the micro bead on md3. I find the more comfortable the rim the cleaner the release
I am so impressed by every Kastaplast disc I have thrown. The consistency of their discs is amazing. Get 3 or 4 of the same disc, same weight, they fly the same,,, consistently consistent.
My go too mid ranges are the discraft buzzz, latitude 64 fuse, and i have an innova dx shark that is really light and glides like crazy.
Interestingly enough I’ve been going back and forth between my Compass and eMac Truth.
Well that can't be a coincidence!
This video is produced really really well 👌🏽👌🏽
Thanks Cheyton!
I actually did design a midrange. I tried to make it similar my favorite midrange, Warship, but just a little more stable. I love the disc but it flips just a bit too much when beat in.
That's fantastic Samu! Awesome to hear that you took a similar approach.
MD3 is my go to mid, but I also really love Mako3 and Roc3 as well. I guess I like 3s.
Haha they put a little something extra in the 3's 😂
Great video man.....if I had to choose...it would be a buzz and md3 had a baby...lol
I throw, like, 5 different midrange molds depending on the situation. But more often than not I reach for my Star Roc3 or my Star Mako3. My Roc3 isn’t nearly as overstable as the 3 fade rating would suggest and I can even get some turn on it if I huck it right. It just flies straight with a slight bit of fade. Mako 3 is good for even straighter shots and anhyzers
I would consider ground play as well. It would be great to have one that slides really nicely and one that is super grabby for the cliff behind the basket kind of shots.
Fantastic point! I've always thought about ground play with plastic type, but not as much design.. Thanks for pointing that out!!
You very clearly like the anhyzer approach. Those looked clean.
I agree, totally subjective...and first... what feels good in the hand... and 2nd what disc do you have the most control over/clean release.
I love beaded discs...putter and mids.
So Roc/3 takes the cake. Ive thrown buzz, Truth, emac truth, mako. I have most control/cleanest release over beaded mids.
Great feedback! Thanks Ryan!
My favorite mid is warship which is really far flying one like the kaze in this videos
Bummed the Latitude 64 Fuse and Gateways Element were not in this video.
How did I just find this channel. This is the content I didn’t know I needed
Too kind Logan! Thank you!
Dude I’ve been binge watching all day 😂 this is quality stuff! Keep it up
Nice video. Where's the Prodigy at, though? Love the MX3
Future vid maybe!
I love my Truth and my Roc3. Also to mention the Innova, Mako3. Out of those three I would say the Truth is my all time favorite.
Glad it was great timing man! You might enjoy the KaxeZ as something totally different from what you currently throw..
Warship is my dead-straight, tunnel shot disc, that thing does exactly what you ask it to. The perfect stable midrange
I wish i had the feel of the roc3 with the flight path of the mako3
Love my Innova DX Cheetah, even though it is creeping up to a fairway driver. It can just fly straight or you can use the -2,2 you angle around some obstacles. Love it as a putter in a windy day. So maybe like a slower version of that, one that has some versatility in the ways you can use it.
I think if the flight #s were something like a 4, 5, -2, 2, that would be amazing, and let me know if you need help testing, i'll gladly be a guinea pig here in Utah
My favorite is a heavy latitude 64 fuse. I have a light fuse and it is really really understandable. Terrible in the wind too.
The Fuse is a great mid!
I like the Kaxe Z for my 6 speed and the DGA Rift for my 5 speed.
There'd be so many intricacies to making a disc launcher. You'd need to be able to vary rpm, launch velocity and disc angle (both hyzer to anhyzer and nose angle). You'd also need a way to mount the disc that would be able to accommodate different diameters, rim widths, heights, thicknesses, etc. Can you tell I've thought about this before?
It's going to happen!!! haha
I just love the halloween glow buzzz🤩
For my midranges I like pretty flat tops so that I can comfortably use them forehand and backhand. Incidentally, my go-to midrange is a Lucid Emac Truth.
Fantastic! Love the feedback on feel. Thanks Caleb!
I'd love to see the Buzz SS in there as well, way more stable. And Mako 3 really is a must too. Still... can't WAIT to order a TP Mid whatever you build I'm in.
What I want is to be able to fly super straight, but if I throw ani, then I want it to hold the line really well too.
Fantastic feedback! Thanks Matt!!
I appreciate how concerned you are.
Would the göte be a better option for this test? Or a beaded svea ... Mm can you make that?
With nothing from Kastaplast in the 5 5 0 2 window, it was either go up to a KaxeZ or down to a Gote.. A beaded Svea would have been even closer!!
Wish u tried a element one of my fav discs
I like the feel of the Buzzz, Compass and Mako3
ive been throwing a roc3 for a really long time. i always loved the feel. but it was never really comfortable forehand, then i switch to the buzzz and had the same issue. 2 weeks ago i bought a lucid emac truth. and i LOVE that disc. its pushed my mf roc3 outta my bag. id love to see a bead and a flat top. with a nice neutral flight. that way it holds the line its put on.
Great stuff feed! Love the feedback and totally agree on the forehand Roc3. Flat top with a bead... I'll see what I can do 😏
something that holds an angle till the end of its flight and then hyzers out a bit. so something with a little turn but also stable enough to come out every time.
Couldn't agree more!
Roc3 gang in the house. Also, dat outfit on point
Not sure if you've ever thrown one since I've never seen anyone throw one except myself but I love my midrange, prodiscus stari
I love the emac truth but have removed it for a Buzzz and md4. The Buzzz is a great disc and always surprises me but I have it in zflx so it's unbreakable and more stable. Plastic type makes a huge difference. I recently got an mvp reactor with their awesome glow for night playing but am very impressed with its capabilities so I may kick the Buzzz out for it. Which says something. How many discs did you lose throwing into that field of snow? Haha
Nice Sean! Great stuff. And surprisingly... zero!
The anubis has won in every way for me. Perfectly neutral yet turn resistant like the OG Makos. Really suggest trying one out in C blend. Like a Buzzz with no fade
Great stuff. Thanks Joe!
Ayeee the Kastaplast represent!
Trick question! The best midrange is a premium plastic putter. Opto-X Pure is my favorite lol.
ive tried themmm alllll myself............ my favorite bt far is the mac and cheese m4 prodigy and i barely use prodigy
2:27 Really waiting for that day :o
One day Lauri! One day!!
I'm a Buzzz all day girl and my husband use to slings only a Fuzion Truth and now he has a Buzzz too.
Love the Buzzz, Danette!!! Awesome to hear.
I've heard people say throwing at altitude gives your disc a little more stability. I wonder how close the results would be if you did this again but at sea level.
It absolutely does! I'd love to hear how it goes for someone at sea level. 👌
Wombat 3 for me. Gave my buzzz to my sister for hers and haven't looked back
MVP Tangent is my go to stable midrange. The thing never moves and holds a line the entire time
Just made a switch to the emac truth… incredible disc.
When you do build that machine
Give it to the PDGA to establish a consistent flight rating system
Haha too true!
I find myself using a putter way more than midrange. I use my fuse if I need to throw through a tunnel that veers off to the right.
Glow champ roc3. Its a laser beam that just won't flip. I don't want my mid to turn over just because of a little head wind.
Mark rober shot out nice lol great vid panda
Thanks Tyler! Huge fan of his and really do wanna make that robot one day 👌
Emac Truth is my go to mid.
But #Teamtrilogy got 1st and 2nd. :) I bag an EMac Truth so, I am partial to you making a recycled EMac Truth. Did i mention #teamtrilogy
It's a great disc.. can't deny that!
Rancho Roc and Roc3 are the best midrange molds ever made. As much as other companies try to copy the Roc they can't ever seem to make one that can be cycled in base plastic. Huge disadvantage to all other molds.