SUPERMAN Is Broken
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The current DC Universe version of Superman as seen in Man Of Steel and Batman V Superman: Dawn Of Justice has a problem. In my opinion. You may think differently. Which disgusts me. Nah you're alright.
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When Muhammad Ali passed away I rewatched the movie Ali. There's a scene in that film where Ali is running with some kids in an African village, training for his big fight. He sees a drawing on a wall of him boxing mosquitoes and tanks. The kids think he can defeat pestilence and war. That's how powerful a figure he has become. In that scene you can see the weight of that revelation on Ali. He has to bear the weight of Africa and the world on his shoulders, knowing full well that he might lose the fight. In that one moment Ali was more of Superman than in any of the Snyder films.
No it's really not.
Yes. Superman has two characteristics that make him noteworthy (and worthy of his powers): his awareness of his obligations and what people expect of him (without being crippled by that burden) and simple joy in being Superman and in all the fun things he can do.
4:54, DC should take this possibility seriously. A film about Invincible could indeed knock the current movie incarnation of Superman silly. Even Hyperion could do this, if he could get over his excessive veneer of Marvel angst. And probably so could...who's that guy on the left?
Except it so is. Superman, no matter how great a burden he has to bear, is a figure of hope. Even though Ali knew there's no way he could stop war and death and knew that he could very well lose his fight, put on a brave face for everyone. Even at his darkest he remained that symbol of hope for others. That's what Superman is
+John Burt Marvel really essentially did a Superman story with Cap. Especially in the Avengers movie, calling Superheroics and the belief in something good as old fashion. Like in the first Superman movie. Or in Winter Soldier where Cap didn't want to be ruled by fear so became a defender of Truth, Justice and the...........huh.
DC really doesn't want to be Marvel.
You're wrong. Sorry.
To me, superman can be summed simply as "a man who can do anything he wants in the world, but is humble enough, only to do what is right"
^ This guy gets it.
Truth
Yeah but one man's right is another man's wrong. That's what the movies trying to say. No one ever looks at thing from Supes point of view when the talk about these movies. This is a very human a take on Superman not the big blue parody people want him to be. Personally I think people just want Supes to be the Boy Scout so Batman can have someone to be snarky too like Wolverine to Cyclops in the X-Men movies.
Fenris30 this is how you distinguish right from wrong, whatever way is easiest is the wrong way.
Fenris, the problem though is that other people's fear and dislike of Superman is almost cartoonish in how it is portrayed.
A government in Africa murders its own citizens and the US government holds Superman responsible because he was there a few days earlier and killed a warlord in the area.
The government responsible is never mentioned to be held accountable in any way.
Lois, a person that was at the scene and would have seen multiple bodies with gunshot wounds, seems to wonder if the reports that Superman killed those people were true.
A bomb is detonated at Capitol Hill. Superman is present at the scene. Despite the actual bombers name being immediately and widely reported, everyone says Superman is at fault.
Honestly I think Cavill does what he can with what he is given. Is not a performance issue, but a concept issue. I think Cavill, with the right writers and director would make a TERRIFIC Superman.
Agreed
Mr Sunday basically says this in the video..
Yup
yup
***** But he's actually a great actor in general. He was fantastic in "The Man of U.N.C.L.E" (2015). He's actually a huge Superman fan. He wanted to play Superman in "Superman Returns" (2006) and J.J. Abrams' cancelled "Superman: Flyby" (2003).
I think DC is trying to make a team of heroes all with batman's personality
i agree i want other characters to have the spotlight. I'm tired of seeing batman forced into everything.
He was saying that all the heroes are too dark and grim (like batman) not Batman's in everything
They arent really. It's just that Zach Snyder loves to make dark concepts. He is essentially a depressive michael bay.
+skycapt4in4ever your a fucking idiot. how does he on anyway resemble Michael bay? because they both go overboard a bit with Action. Michael Bay movies are racist, sexist, offensive, riddled with product placement, and overly goofy characters. if anything, Michael bay's transformers inspired mcu whole outlet, seeing as to how it promotes towards teens, uses many pop cultural references , and jokey.
Zack Snyder just makes dark twisted fantasies. you may like them, you may not, but he has style with it. I don't see how you can compare someone who makes cliche action films riddled with pop culture with a director who focuses on themes & subtlety. he may not impress everyone but he's not a bad director. that's like saying chicken taste like pork because they are both meat
Yeah, there's no subtlety in Zack Snyder movies, all his shit is overblown and jumbled. And as shitty as Bay movies are, they're more entertaining than Zack Snyder's movies. I'd rather see someone attentionally make a bad movie with a shit ton of explosions and dumb humor than some hack of a director attempt to tell a story that's too intelligent for his stupid brain, delivering one of the most unfocused big budget movies to ever see the light of day, all while shitting on two of the most beloved pop culture icons in history.
Maybe YOURE just bloody broken mate. Yea thats right, i said it! Your han solo vest looks homemade and your horns are just a little too pointy... Youve obviously gotten some work done.
Nah youre alright
Hahaha, [Insert comment about him being British or something ]
+pablo henriquez then say just kidding cuz he's Australian
I read it in his voice.
+pablo henriquez he is Australian
+pablo henriquez (insert easily offended comment)
Stoping that girl from Committing suicide is one of my favorite superman moments.
Snuder superman would've just made a poop face and then push her off
Diego De la Fuente nah, I think realistically Snyder’s Superman would wait until she jumped then save her at the last second, and then leave her on the sidewalk without saying anything while he looked at her with disdain as he flew away.
I honestly did like Man of Steel, but Batman V Superman...ugh.
Still love the actor, though. I think he can redeem the character.
With the right director and writers, he can.
***** I guess the evidence would be the extended cut of the film that was recently shown. Everyone said it improved his role since he now has double the lines of dialogue.
In my opinion I wasn't very interested in superman but how he is portrayed in MOS really got me invested in the character him being toned down into a grounded world were he is revitalised into a new era he is still the same character he stands by his moral beliefs and understandings of the world but can be broken or hindered but will pull through in the end
Love the Five for Fighting at the end. Haha!
Nerdsync I love your videos 👍🏻
Worst Song about Superman ever, so boring and wimpy!
+Adam W Best song about Superman, Kryptonite from 3 Doors Down and best song with Superman in the title Stone Temple Pilots - Silvergun Superman!
What's funny is the end of the song is actually positive. Way more positive than this Superman is.
You do the same.
Am I being too harsh of this version of Superman?
nah
nah supes is dumb
There's no such thing as too harsh.
Silver age superman had the best stories of the character ever. Beign overpowered doesnt mean he isnt interesting.
Not at all. This Superman blows. The hell with him and his moody, murdering, not knowing how to use his powers bullshit.
Superman was actually done really well in the animated Justice League cartoon from the mid 00s.
He had a great moment near the end when he pretty much punched Darkseid out of his friggin boots, but that moment was earned.
Durrr me no know. Me just try to sound clever
***** You're probably right, but there's even less need to get into an argument about a Superman cartoon. Have a good one ;-)
yes, agreed.
+RoboTurkeyNinja ,
The "World made of cardboard" speech? That's a damn''d classic.
In 40 seconds we learn more about the character than in all 5 hours of our current DCEU.
This was certainly Supes in one of his weakest incarnations. Poor Tim Daly, I think the majority of his voicework was made up of grunts and "Ouch"es.
But I thought it worked in terms of him initially building up his rogue's gallery. He didn't know how much each one could take and was more conservative.
Then as the rogues became more powerful, be pushed his limits bit by bit, leading up to that confrontation with Darkseid.
I hated how often he got knocked out-of-frame on that show, but the Darkseid thing is a golden moment for me.
Damn this was a great video.
agreed
Its damn MASTURBATORY
No it was bad.
splits seconds no u
yeah he pointed to the exact same things i dont like about Snyderman.
Patton Oswalt said that Superman cannot be made dark. Only Batman can
Oswalt's right.
All Superman problems aside... can we just agree that Superman's theme and the music in MoS and BvS was AWESOME! Hans Zimmer is a legend!
Yes he is, but he wont make any more music en heroes movies😭😭😭😭
Agreed!
Really soundtrack makes the movie good?
Gotta disagree on that man. The score in MoS was certainly good, but it can't beat the classic Superman theme by John Williams. That is quite literally, the definitive Superman score.
What I love, is that he didn't try to beat John Williams. He couldn't. But the score couldn't be recycled for Post Crisis Superman either. So he created his own, and, while it isn't the John Williams score it's almost as, if not as iconic as the John Williams score, and gave me chills like no other superhero theme since the John Williams score.
All-Star Superman is the QUINTESSENTIAL Superman.
Hell yeah he is. Just watch how he ends up defeating lex. Its fucking amazing
d1asian yessir!
It real is. He's ALL good. Why? Because he is, no explanation needed. It's that character the makes him who he is. It's also what makes lex hate him. He's both the immovable object and the unstoppable force.
What we get in the movies is an emo shit
haven't read that one yet but to me the quintessential Superman is from Birthright
Yeah, what the hell was Lex talking about in BvS?
He's not all good, or all powerful. He's just a guy "trying" to do the right thing, and I don't see how ANYTHING in Lex's plan serves to prove otherwise.
I don't get why anyone is even concerned with Superman's intentions or allegiances. Lois has had 18 months to "stage" an interview with Superman to ask him the important questions on everyone's mind. It shouldn't take a subpoena to bring him out into the world.
Nobody in the movie shows any real interest in Aliens until it serves the plot. The wreckage in the Indian Ocean is untouched, and Clark is too busy being shuffled around to do different types of journalism every day... except for the kind that really matters.
Why is he even allowing his birthright to fall into the hands of shady business men instead of hiding it away in a glacier or something? A Kryptonian computer might prove useful for understanding more than Jor-El gave him in the brief 30 second explanation of their history.
Also, why isn't Batman renting a rickety canoe to find his own Kryptonite, he seems oblivious to the whole thing despite it being his obsession. Don't you dare bring up the White Portuguese...
My favorite Superman moment is from All Star Superman where he talks the teenage kid out of committing suicide.
Eh...I gave up on this Superman. Captain America is my Superman now. Guy just feels like him.
I agree with the OP there: MCU's Steve Rogers feels more like Superman than Snyder's Superman. He's guided by his conscience, ideals and belief in people. He (well almost) always does the right thing. He's a fish out of water who's naiive, inspires others, is kind to his enemies, is seen as a relic from a better time. And his movies are more about how cynical, modern characters react to him and learn from him (Iron Man giving his life in Avengers, Black Widow opening up) than any arc of his own.
Sure he's got no code against killing, no secret identity, can't fly and he's very much a military man, but MCU Cap has a lot in common with Superman. I'd even say that Snyder's Superman is more akin to Iron Man or Spider-man, with his agonising over responsibilities, buckling under the burden of his powers, making mistakes and fear of failing to live up to parent figures.
Uh-huh. xD
I feel like I misunderstood my audience with that last comment and kinda wasted my five minutes!
I agree Cap is so much better portrayed
that's DC's batman lol
+Meng Jue thats daredevil. also kinda iron man.
I think Geoff Johns will help make this superman more like the comics
yup
I really hope he has a huge part in making man of steel 2.
The scenario I hope for DC is for Zack Snyder to get fired and have Geoff Johns relativize the DCEU. I feel like Johns is more insightful with these characters and he didn't have a lot of control in the past. Snyder just wants to fucking depress everything about these characters. #FireZackSnyder #InJohnsWeTrust
Hopefully
I sure hope so. He's done some great work and really has a sense for what makes DC so special.
I think this actually highlights a big flaw in the DCCU, actually. Where Marvel gave us Iron Man, then Hulk, then Thor, and so on, DC gave us Superman and then more Superman, all from the same guy. Zack Snyder has the biggest influence, and having one voice shout above the rest like that is only going to make it harder, especially when that voice is as divisive and...flawed...as Snyder's. Hopefully he'll be influenced enough by the recent changes, Johns included, and by Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman that Justice League will be less of a Zack Snyder movie and more of a Justice League movie.
Broke too...his movies not making the type of money he wants
Damn right.
Right
Yeah, but not exactly broke. Just barely covering its expenses.
Barry you savage
I think "broke" is a stretch but... yeah lol
My favorite moment is in the animated series where Superman was battling Mitzelplik. Superman manages to trick Mitzelplik by getting him to sky write his name backwards.
I always like how he beat Superboy-Prime in Infinite Crisis saying that your actions make you a Superman, not what you wear.
Invinsible isn't really a Superman archetype. Yeah, he can fly, smack hard and is, pretty much, Invincible, but his story and his character seems too far away from Clark's.
That's true, his father his probably a better example. Sort of. He's kinda a bad bloke.
Isn't that the comic where like...everyone gets eviscerated at some point? Or is that just the stuff that makes it onto the Google Machine because it's gruesome.
>his father his probably a better example
Remember when he fought his father? Yeesh.
Invincibile is smallville done good, so, in a certain sense he is a young superman (violence aside)
Whilst I don't think he's a Superman-esque figure (similar powers aside) a lot of his dilemmas are ones that are relevant to Superman e.g. should I kill villains? Should I trust someone who has previously been a villain but has a desire to better the world? Should I grow a moustache like my Dad? Wait. Scrap that last one.
Maybe Zack Snyder will watch this and take note.. He watched your video about superman killing 😉
Batman*
+Dream him to 😉 cheers dude
Honestly I'm 98.3% positive that's why he made this video
Zack Snyder got fired dumbass
+Mr Phillepay umm no
"Can't I just...keep pretending I'm your son?"
"You are my son!"
DX ahhhhh gets me every time 😭😭😭
That archetype Superman movie will probably be Captain Marvel. Closest thing Marvel has to a Superman.
In a way, Thor too.
It took me a second because Captain Marvel is actually a Superman ripoff, but not the Marvel Captain Marvel, the DC (basically stolen from Faucett Comics) version.
***** Yeah, I didn't mean Shazam, I was more specifically referring to the actual announced MCU movie. That's the only "Superman-like" coming up right now.
They downplay Thor. In the Comics he has much more power. Maybe they'll fix that since he won't be in mid guard. It is said that Thor Refuses to use any more then 1/3 of his overall strength, power, rune magic, etc. Because he fears he might destroy the earth. It even says in Thor 1 movie that The hammer can save or destroy worlds.
He is not useless without his hammer btw. He can go toe to toe with hulk and actually beat him sometimes, depending on who is writing the story.
Not to be a know-it-all, but there's Sentry, Hyperion, Blue Marvel, and Gladiator.
I get where you come from. I think Snyder really wanted to explore what we've been seeing so far. The first movie was him figuring out who he was. The second movie skips forward 18 months and isn't really intended to be exploring Superman, instead the Batman v Superman. A good idea may have been to put a Man of Steel 2 out last year along with a Batman reboot showing the older Batman. You build up Superman as what you're saying and in Batman you see how he's losing his marbles. Then you make BvS.
I'm personally fine with BvS. I get that you can't tell every story you want to because you have two hours every few years. I saw all 10 years of Smallville so I get all of the more hopeful stuff.
I also think Justice League was meant to be where he figures it out and becomes who we know Superman to be. Ultimate Jesus metaphor alert, but that's the impression I get hearing stuff from Snyder and Terrio.
this
thank you!!
I've wanted to see how Superman earns his bottomless unshakable hope and goodwill. Not be born saying, I grew up as a alien with no personality other than to do good with my incredible god-like powers, but how thru all the adversity he comes out a leader who like any conscious being with flaws becomes the best out of all of us
This right here.
THANK YOU! Somebody understands that not every minute detail can be fitted into a 2 hour long movie!
You made it through all 10 seasons of Smallville? You must have a high pain tolerance.
#MakeSupermanSuperAgain
What if we build a wall around Snyder so he can never touch another script again?
And make Snyder pay for it!
You guys, both of you, made my night XD
#CantStumpTheSupes
Build the wall.
Zack Snyder thinks every comic book movie needs to feel like Watchmen.
The problem is snyder and his team are trying to be nolan
best moment?
"Who are you?"
"A friend."
THIS is who Superman is.
Captain America has taken over the mantle from Superman in the movies, bloody Shame DC cant Get him right.
Henry Cavill in the Asian leg of the BVS tour was asked what would he add to the character to make it more him. his reply was that this Superman was not the final end product Superman. He said later (JL film i presume) was where he will become "the Superman we know and Love".
So I guess we will see (hopefully) the real Superman later.
I just hope he gets his own sequel.
The point about how if we can get Captain America right, why can't we get Superman right is bang the fuck on.
For one thing Captain America hasn't (really) been done in live-action film before. For another Captain America actually is from the past so that allows him to be a lot closer to purists' preferences.
'Batman v Superman Ultimate Extended We're Sorry Cut' has a nice ring to it.
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Happy birthday mate!
+Mr Sunday Movies ahh thank you. this is the best birthday present I could of ever wish for
A car or something would probably be better, but you'r welcome.
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Happy birthday!
Why Superman DOESNT work:
- Desperately tries to stop Zod from heat vision-ing a family
- Snaps his neck because "there was no other option"
- Screams in agony for "killing the bag guy"
Why Iron Man DOES work:
- Lures the bad guy, whom he's know all his life and was practically his father figure after his real father died, directly above his industrial arc reactor
- Has his GIRLFRIEND overload the arc reactor so that he souls spot incinerate him for selling his weapons to terrorists
- literally just says "Walk away from that you son of a bitch."
Difference: Marvel acknowledges that this is fiction, while DC tries and fails to make this more realistic with its morals (Alt. Ex: Batman literally running around murdering common thugs even tho his one rule is to never kill)
DC: Tries to make an alien demi-god realistic
Also DC: has characters do jnexplicably stupidder decisions thab characters in comics (which is saying something)
My favorite Superman moment is from Hitman #34 by Garth Ennis. When the Man of Steel reflects on his failure to save an incapacitated astronaut, Clark describes the look of horror in the man's eyes and recalls something to the effect of:
"I could tell what he was thinking: 'You're Superman... and you're not going to save me.' "
Next panel is an explosion.
"And then God decided time was up."
To me, it was a fantastic way to convey Superman's burden without making him mopey and guilt-ridden. He understands his place, and that he is not omnipotent. Yet, he still feels sadness at being so close to someone in need who he ultimately couldn't save.
I also like Superman: for All Seasons by Jeph Loeb. After a kid is saved from falling to his death, he thanks Superman and compliments the costume. Clark responds with "Thanks. My mom made it for me."
Hope DC is watching this.
I hope Warner Bro.s Studios watch it. They make the movies.
Superman is the most emotionally intelligent character in all of fiction, that's what makes Snyder's take so frustrating. Never mind the death and the destruction (no matter how hard it is to do so), Snyder's Superman is quite frankly emotionally retarded.
Cavil is good and there are times in Man of Steel where I'm like: "Does Cavil know he's not in a Superman movie?" But there's only so much an actor can do. What the direction has Superman doing makes him look like a sociopath and Snyder's bizarre obsession with injecting his superhero movies with Jesus and Objectivism genuinely disturbs me.
My man was ahead of the curve with that Invincible insert at 4:58
Injustice comic sums up what a lot of people think if new Superman:I miss Superman. I miss the guy who actually inspired people. The Superman who had time to help a kid who fell off his bike. Before he changed. Before he gritted his teeth all the time. Before he became all hard and dark because people, supposedly, needed him to. I miss the city of tomorrow, and the Man of Yesterday"
I 99% agree. That's why I hated BvS, it completely ruined Superman. Completely. Cavil could be so great if they would just get the character right. Superman is not a dark, mopey, hopeless character, but that's how they keep portraying him. Its so wrong. The one part I disagree on is the Reeve Superman movies. They do hold up! Sure the special effects look bad compared to today, but it was the 70's. The story and the acting, and most importantly, the image of Superman it gave us, will always endure.
+irondark knight 🍻
Srsly these people act like they know so much about Superman when in reality they probably never even read or only read a couple of actual Superman comics. I'm telling you man this hate for BvS is a complete bandwagon not even Superhero movies that were actually bad had hate like this one. I feel so bad for Zack Snyder he worked so hard on this movie he gave most DC fans what they wanted a DC cinematic universe cause eventually people are going to get bored of Marvel movies there needs to be a balance.
Trust me these fools in the comment section talking trash about Henry Cavill's Superman most likely aren't even Superman fans let alone DC fans. They say that Superman is dark, brooding, and boring. First of all his character isn't dark at all he is trying to find his way in this world as a human since he has (of course) been raised by average humans. Throughout MoS he was saving lives in fact that is what MoS was pretty much about. He saved a bunch of brats who were making fun of him from freaking drowning in a bus, He saved a bunch of people in the oil rig scene and he also saved metropolis from being destroyed by the last of his race. People also complain that he is too depressed and to glum in BvS. That is true but only because he was forced to kill the last of his kind. How would you feel if you found out that most of your race was destroyed and the only survivors were people who wanted to destroy the planet he grew up on.
If you put it that way then he does seem less like batman and more like what we know as superman. Though he could have smiled at least once (when he was not being romantic with Lois Lane).
Superman the animated series. Toyman has Darci, big blue is going in for the rescue. Giant toy soldiers are gunning him down while repeating "Halt: friend or foe?" Superman heat visions them in half. And as he's flying over he says "Foe."Loved that scene as a kid and still love it now.
EXCELLENT run down of what's wrong with this Superman! Can we please have a video talking about murderverse Batman?
Also, as far as my favourite Superman moment goes, his talking the girl out of comitting suicide in All-Star Superman has got to take the spot. THAT is Superman!
yeah like the only live action version of batman who has not killed anyone is the Adam west batman. If you want a murder verse batman that would be the Burton Batman. Why call it the murder verse though? Marvel characters like the Avengers also have a no kill rule but they frequently kill and no one calls them out for it. The fucking Hulk is wanted by the US military for being a raging-murder beast and the avengers are still cool with him....to a point lol.
Burton's didn't kill as much as BvS' did, and he had two movies devoted only to him instead of one that was only mostly devoted.
If any Batman is the Murderverse Batman as you put it, it's Snyder's.
Marvel characters try to avoid unnecessary deaths, but are fine with some enemy casualties.
For me the definitive live action version is Dean Cain in the Lois & Clark New Adventures series.
There are a couple of scenes over those seasons of him talking people out of suicide and he does work very hard to balance the world-saving stuff with the low level stuff while also trying to live out a normal life. He does a great job, even though the show goes slightly over the top from time to time.
+Bluemew1234 when did batman kill anyone. I only remember that dream sequence and that was understandable. the world was in ruins. most ppl in that car sequence killed themselves by running into walls and trucks. batman sure did kill Harvey dent in the dark knight. how else did debt fall? also. he killed Hella ppl in the dark knight rises. he literally was shooting Talia at point blank range with missiles, calling her truck to flip, which killed her. also the Russian guy ain't dead, he's gonna be kgbeast. and this is a broken batman, he's given up on the world. he has had it with crime. yall are making it seem like superman & batman are walking around murdering ppl. batman murdered when his comic first started and used guns. that bs no killing rule was added in once he got popular with children. but in the end, it's still Bruce wayne. I brooding psychopath who beats the hell out of criminals. I honestly thought next to Michael keaton, he was the best batman
In the Batmobile sequence, Batman shoots multiple cars until they explode with people in them. He also tethers the one car, drags it around until it flips multiple times, and slams it roof to roof into another car. There are also three henchmen in the back of the truck; after Batman slams the Batmobile through it and rips of most of the back, there are only two henchmen, a nameless dude and KGBeast.
Right before the warehouse scene, he shoots a line of trucks that have people in and on top of them until they explode.
During the warehouse scene, he throws a two people into a small area with a live hand grenade which explodes.
As we don't know the exact number of people in every car he blew up, my count is about 20 to 30 kills in one movie.
Burton's Batman managed 19 kills in two movies.
Nolan's Batman managed around 15 in three movies
Logically, KGBeast should be dead, especially with how people go on and on about how realistic the DC movies are.
For him to live would be completely ridiculous.
The no killing and no guns rules were actually added to differentiate Batman from other similar characters of the time like The Shadow, not because he was popular with children.
Very few people are saying that Affleck was bad in this movie. He's probably turned in one of the best performances of the character.
The problem is with the writing for Batman. He's being written completely different than he should be. No matter how good Affleck's performance, the actual character is deeply flawed.
Favorite Superman moment? When Clark chokes out the evil version of himself in Superman III, then stands up with the Superman fanfare playing in the background, opens his shirt to reveal the logo and then takes off to save the day... goosebumps every time.
Good moment. I think that's what is missing in "today's" superman is that he was supposed to be the embodiment of what is GOOD, not depressing or evil. My favorite superman moment is when he becomes superman the first time and saves the helicopter in the FIRST 1978 Superman movie. Never once does superman lose his confidence for Truth, Justice, AND THE AMERICAN WAY. (RIP Christopher Reeves...the best superman to this very day)
When he throws the kite on his chest at Zod in Superman 2
@@expectedlime_8076 When he repairs the Great wall of china with his 'repair vision.'
Anyone else feel Marvel Studios' Captain America acts more like Superman than DCEU Superman?
No.
Ishmail Twilley Ah, Okay. It's just me, but I do feel Cap gives off the same hope to me as Superman does in the comics(Post-Crisis Superman, not New 52)
They both have to the same morals. And too me they were both the same in the movies this year. Placed in a situation where any decision they made will have a negative effect either way.
Yes, I totally agree with you. He is the superman I always wanted.
Ishmail Twilley Unfortunately for Superman(and Batman for that matter) a lot of people who watched their couldn't get invested because the reason they fought wasn't clear, or at least weakly defined.
Like Fantastic Four, Superman seems to be one of those properties that the studio just doesn't know how to handle correctly. Since the only decent Fantastic Four movie ever made was The Incredibles, it seems likely that a Superman knock-off is going to be the definitive version of the Man of Steel on film.
Richard Donner's Superman The Movie 1978 is the definitive til someone beats it. Which isn't likely to happen.
I agree that the characterization of Superman in Superman: The Movie is spot on, but that wasn't made by WB. Alexander Salkind purchased the movie license from WB and made the film without the studio's involvement. WB only handled the distribution, and had zero creative control. That didn't happen until Superman Returns, when the license's new owner, Jon Peters began working with WB.
In my opinion this Superman was great in Man of Steel but i don´t know wtf happened in BvS it felt like he gave up instantly
Am I the only one who isn't against Superman killing Zod?
Nah, I think that's not the problem with his character, in that situation he did what he had to do, kinda, and felt bad about it.
But go back a couple minutes, after all the destruction and death the city suffered in which he played a big part, what does he do when he thinks Zod is defeated? Make out with Lois. Yet after he kills Zod he screams his heart out! WTF? He feels absolutely not empathy for the thousands innocents but cries for killing a mass murderer?? What the actual fuck is wrong with him?
+Juan Dávalos , Personally I think they could have written around it, but's not my major gripe about the guy.
You should check out what Max Landis had to say about that scene; he's a Superman writer that understands the character like precious few do. It's during his MoS review.
I'm not against him killing Zod. What were his other options?
Could've had Zod receive some sort of radiation poisoning from the opening of the phantom zone; taking effect during their climactic battle, Superman's hero moment coming when he saves Zod, with the villain left in a depowered/stasis situation.
I don't know if it's still current, but I remember Supes having a Kryptonian, or Daxamite, best friend that was forced to stay in the phantom zone because it nulified his Kryptonite, or lead, poisoning.
Just a thought.
+92brunod Never looked at it the way, huh.
Don't forget when he says "no one stays good in this world" in bvs
yeah, then he went and sacrificed his life for the World. yeah, yall keep telling yourselves lies lol
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that's cool remember when Jazz did that in tranformers 1?
jordan d Yeah and when Jesus did it in the Bible.
superman vs the elite will always be my favorite animated dc movie
Superman can't catch a break. On day one, and inexperienced in dealing with planetary catastrophe, he had to take on a Kryptonian army, led by a General who was willing to kill off the human race, so that he can rebuild a new Krypton on Earth. Superman, with the help of Lois, A scientist, and some distractive maneuvers from the U.S. Armed Forces manages to reopen, and trap Zod's army, in the Phantom Zone. Feeling that he has lost everything, Zod goes all out on Superman. There is no time for Superman to save anyone, as Zod is on him every second. Superman finally overpowers Zod, and pins him down. Zod sees Superman's compassion for Earth and it inhabitants, and recognizes his weakness (pre-kryptonite, obviously). He will begin to kill off every human being. Zod's heatvision is about to disintegrate a family, and Superman is presented with a moral dilemma. Seeing no way to stop Zod without ending him, he snaps his neck. Guilt, frustration, and his powerlessness to avoid this situation all rush in.
In BvS, 18 months have passed, he saves people, not only in the States, but around the world. He still struggles with the events that come back to haunt him from MoS, and has to deal with the fallout as many don't see him as a hero, but an alien who invited a grandscale disaster to their world. Before he can publicly testify on the events that happened 18 months prior, he is denied that as the room is blown to hell. On top of that, a pissed off Batman, whose anger is being manipulated, in order to take out Superman, by Lex, is calling him out. Superman is forced into fighting Batman when Lex reveals he has his mother, and will kill her if he doesn't kill Batman. Superman doesn't want to fight Batman, and chooses to reason with him so they can save his mother, and stop Lex. Batman's rage keeps him from hearing Superman out, and nearly kills him. Superman accepts his death, but cries out to save Martha. This triggers Batman's past. His mother being shot down infront of him, and his father's last words "Martha". When he exclaims to Superman why he says that name, Lois comes in to say it's his mother. That's when he realized that he almost killed someone who wasn't a heartless machine, but someone who cared for others, and was cared for in return. The cold fury within him vanished, and he begins to reflect his former self. The heroic persona the saves the weak from the villains. Batman tells him Martha won't die tonight, and saves her saying not to worry he is her son's "friend". Superman tries to stop Lex, but is met by Doomsday who almost kills Lex but is SAVED by Superman. Superman gets nuked while holding tight so that Doomsday doesn't escape the blast. Eventually, Superman sacrifices himself to kill Doomsday, who stabs Superman with the sharp bone that grew out of his stump when Wonder Woman cut his arm off. At Clark's funeral, Bruce vows to bring other metahumans together so the vision of a possible future doesn't become a reality. He then visits Lex' cell to learn what was/is his gameplan. Lex is paranoid, and warns that something is coming. We are the then treated to a hopeful scene where dirty Lois tossed into Clark's grave, briefly begins to levitate. fade to black.
Stfu
+Marvel fan Yes, Superman To Free Us.
+Felix L Ricardo damn
+David christianf lol I just wanted to make the case for Superman, and ended up with a damn synopsis.
you just spoiled two movies without any warning lol. And you even managed to tell the entire plot of the BvS. Bravo
And now he's gonna be on CW.
I totally agree with the lack of hope. I personally want Superman to come back to life with a whole new look at things. With his near death experience he wants to be with the people he loves and help others. Not because he has to, but because he wants to.
Best version of him is the Animated Superman. Wish the movie version would be more like him.
To put it simply, I think we'd all like to see Superman enjoying being Superman. I hope that his arc (loner in MoS, regretful hero in BvS), comes full circle for Justice League, and that he is a fun and hopeful dude.
"How you doin' over there, Theo Huxtable?"
"I'm doin' good."
"NUH-UH. Superman does good; you're doing well. You need to study your grammar son."
Are you hoping Snyder borrows from this like he borrowed from your Batman Kill Count video?
'Cause y'know he's watching.
Watching everything you do, mate. And Mason.
Batman v Superman was a Batman movie trying to include Superman.
I mean there' a reason he only has 27 LINES! In a film that has his NAME IN THE DAMN TITLE
I have always put Superman, Captain America, and Spiderman in a category of their own, as the most moral, selfless, upbeat, and hopeful heroes in comics. Shazam is in there too, but he isn't as well known.
Superman may be a lost cause in the near future, but Cap is great (in the movies). And here's hoping they get the other two right. I have faith in Marvel with Spidey, but DC better not give us anything but an upbeat Shazam. Shazam needs to be that hopeful Superman movie you were looking for, and NO killing.
... well, they really fucked up Captain Marvel. Not surprising, but still disappointing. And frustrating.
78' Christopher Reeves version
96-06-DCAU version
Ha, ha.
Are you calling him Reeves instead of Reeve to give Mr. Sunday a hard time?
I also enjoy his podcasts
Your "what superman is" rant was better then the BvS movie
I enjoyed Green Lantern more than BVS...
i found batman and robin more entertaining than bvs
The biggest problem is that this Superman doesn't seem to want or to like helping other people.
then why does he help people if he doesn't want to? Make sense man! Oh I see you want him to have a smile on his face while people shout false god at him? Is that it? The world sucks and it's depressing. Putting Superman in it would be tough for him and it would take at least 3 to 4 movies until we see him start seeing the bright side on everything. Deal with it.
+TheRodg43 He doesn't seem to get any personal satisfaction from helping others. There's never a scene where Superman says he wants to help others, it's always either his parents or Lois telling him what to do.
EvanSol919 Why would he feel the need to say it? Actions are what matter not words.
TheRodg43 um maybe so the audience can know. Also his reactions don't match his actions. He always looks depressed or introverted it doesn't make sense why he saves people
My favorite Superman moment is the speech in Kill Bill Vol. 2
My favorite Superman moment isn't even from a Superman comic, but from a Nightwing comic.
Nightwing is patrolling a park when Superman comes down to have a convo with him about the hero life and the tolls it can take. A security guard finds them and says "Oh, Thank God it was you two. Looks like we'll be safe tonight."
To which Superman says "You mean because of us 3. Right officer?"
It's that simple moment of Superman letting the average Joes know that their work is just as important as his.
It sucks, because Henry Cavill has HUGE potential. When he has a good scene, a scene in the spirit of Superman, he nails it every time. He has the potential to be the best Superman the big screen has ever seen, but Zack Snyder made him.. Whatever this is.
Sorry but you can't top Christopher reeves
Breen Machine See, but you don't have an amazing Superman to compare it to! That's what I'm saying. As of now, Reeves is the best Superman. But if Henry Cavill was given a proper, good superman script, he could blow everyone out of the water, man!
R.I.P D.C films for a while till they stop making them and eventually do a reboot
Nah. Geoff Johns will save them in Justice League.
It'll be fine if they fire Zack Snyder and do some major retooling.
Or until they fire Zach Snyder... The guy has a great visual sense of directing but he has no idea what makes the characters tick or what makes them so compelling.
But adding Geoff Johns is a step in the right direction.
Im just pissed we're not getting a Justice Leauge Dark film. I have no idea why we're not getting "The Spectre" or Swamp Thing films. WB is willing to do a film for the overexposed Harly, instead of someone like Swamp Things, or hell his badass daughter
Without solo films for back story. I don't see this being any better then a transformers movie
One of my favorite Superman moments comes from Superman Red Son. For those of you who don't know Superman Red Son is a what if story about what would happen if Superman landed in the USSR during the cold war instead of in Smallville. During the comic he hears an American cry out for help. Superman takes a second to think about it and says "They're not my people...but I never refuse a cry for help."
Shortly afterwards we get this panel: s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f8/2a/17/f82a17051e50fc0850794c3eb9da3f2a.jpg Honestly this picture is one of the first things I think of when I think of what Superman should be, a man who no matter the situation will try to save as many lives as possible, yet never thinks any problem is beneath him and will go the extra mile to give a little boy his balloon back.
The Entirety of All Star Superman and the "Thanks, my mom made it for me" line from A Superman for all seasons are some of my other favorite Superman moments.
P.S I wasn't sure whether to laugh or cry during the "Not Superman" montage at the end.
My favorite superman moment ever was the last eps upset of the justice league animated series when he shows his true power against darkseid. I think this shows just truly how much he has to control himself and how he genuinely is a good person
Great points you make, one smallville scene is where in season one theres a bent cop who frames Jonathan kent. clark talks to him in prison and tells Jonathan how he wanted to kill him...Jonathan asks but you didn't right? I know all there is to know about losing your temper son but you can't afford to do it. brilliant scene.
Very well said. All of the characterization in that movie was just so screwy, but superman especially. There's so much potential for greatness with the character but I just genuinely think zack Snyder doesn't get what's so great about him
What the fact that you think he should be perfect?
+Captain Brickhead It's more that he should have true clear and heartfelt motivations and not have same reaction to saving people as being covered in their ashes.
They should've given him another movie before BvS.
For the kryptonite part , i think that this is superman first experience with it , so he is surprised about it
Yeah, well TELL THAT TO ZOD'S SNAPPED NECK!
My favorite Superman in cinema today is Captain American
Grant Morrison has always the best cunning quotes when it comes to ideal concepts.
'That murder you just attempted....it didn't go as planned...at all'
I died xD
I don't even like Superman (not even a big fan of DC), but this video made me angry at the DC movies (and all the writers in the comics who have fucked the character up). I may not be a fan, but I can respect good writing, especially when it comes to a character beloved by a lot of people.
I think most of the people angry at the DC movies are those who don't like DC to begin with ...
I think they are working up to the iconic superman that you are describing. Henry Cavill said in a very recent panel that he hadn't yet taken on the role that we all ascribe to be "superman", but that it was coming in the future of the DCEU. I don't necessarily agree with the idea of waiting so long for him to become the iconic Superman, but I am patient. Here's hoping.
So instead of having Him become Superman as we know him in one film like it's been they're spreading apart? That's as dumb as Sony's Amazing Spiderman plan which is Pete didn't learn responsibility after his uncle died he learns it throughout the films. That's super stupid. We didnt pay to see Superboy we came to super motherflippin Man. Clark can't afford not to be ready when he's wearing the costume. That's the whole point of Martha and Johnathon Kent to get him ready to become Supes by teaching him good values and morals and Jor-El point is to verify Clark's hopes and for him to no longer fear who he is and to embrace it. But instead we have a mom that thinks Clark doesn't owe the world a thing which btw....he kinda does seeing if it wasn't for this planet he would've been killed and all of Kryptons legacy would be destroyed. Not to mention you the mom are Human so he owes the planet on the fact that you flipping exist and helped him. What do I know?
Danny Malzahn Thats the point of Supes! He's supposed to be seemingly perfect! Its when he's alone or as Clark Kent does it seem he's really feels the world on his shoulders. He tries to make an example for other people to follow. There's a reason why people compare Captain America and Supes and its not just because their both patriotic. They seemingly look like perfect individuals keep being told their values are outdated or wrong but Supes and Cap stand their ground stick to the values they were taught. They're biggest fear/flaw is the fear of failing to act when there's a 1% chance that they could've. Thats why Supes constantly travels around the globe and Cap hates himself if he freezes up due to shock.And Jonathan and Martha are supposed to help become confident in his abilities and truly master them. He doesn't know his limits sure but because he's never truly been able to and really doesn't know how because of it .And those two people are supposed to represent the best humans can potentially be and thats enough for him to have faith in Earth and feel obligated to protect his home.
Sigh. The entire tone of this films and underlying themes don't gel with him eventually becoming THE Superman. It just doesn't, and I can't be convinced that was part of a long term arc.
+ItsMichaelReid the problem with your statement is you're not taking the Kents feelings into perspective. They love their kid and are worried about how the world would treat him. They wanted him to be normal. Can you honestly not say you understand how they feel? Sure they got a super strong alien kid but that would mean jack shit if the military wanted to capture him and perform experiments on him.
+HeatForce act normal*
5 years later and this video is still true for the big screen
We need the Comic SuperMan
Not the greedy Injustice SuperMan
I hate Zack Snyder.
Guy tries to shield himself from criticism saying he is a comic book fan but he hasn't read shit about Superman. Oh wait my bad, he read The Dark Knight Returns.
That's not true.
He's read a few panels where Batman and Superman punch each other for sure, but it doesn't seem like he read anything else from DKR.
+Cheddar Cheese that's good. the comics suck, that's why nobody buys them. no director who makes superhero films reads comics. they read a specific one to base the film off of. Christopher Nolan didn't read many batman comics. and what do any of you mean by not having an understanding of the character. you all just have short attention spans and weren't paying attention
There's about three contradictions in what you just said.
Tristen McCall you can tell Nolan read Batman: Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke and The Dark Knight Returns to draw inspiration for The Dark Knight trilogy. Some scenes and elements are just too similar.
+Jorge Quiroz I don't Hate Snyder but do agree that saying he is a comics fan is a lame get out clause...
I already answered someone else about the films who bought up the DREADED 'Should Superman have Killed Zod?' Question (AGAIN!!!! NOT AGAIN!!!!) - And with one Sentence essentially once I ran through my entire theory as to why so many Fanboys are WRONG (Yeah i know.... That's asking for trouble!) I managed to totally SAVE THE MAN OF STEEL MOVIE with ONE additional Line of Dialogue!!!
Just one line spoken by Zod... NO ONE would have debated this at all - Except fanboys who still say Superman Never Kills (What a Crock... While I may have outgrown Superman, Back when I was reading the comics - Superman DID kill... He tried to avoid it - but it was NOT always possible... And no one can tell me that Zod lived in the original Superman II - He was robbed of his powers and Kal-El pushed him over a crevice in the fortress of Solitude!!! ZOD WAS STRAIGHT UP MURDERED BY SUPERMAN!)
Mr. Sunday Movies when you said that if WB doesn't make a real Superman movie soon someone else will somebody already has and it is called Captain America the First Avenger. To me that movie is the most underrated MCU film and while I will agree the third act is a bit of a mess with the montage scenes the first two acts to that movie are perfect. There isn't a hint of irony in that movie. Never once does a character wink to the camera or roll their eyes at Cap being Cap. We are never given a character who questions that Cap is too corny or something along those lines. They present Cap as Cap and he is man who does good to do good. He truly believes in what he does and will put himself on the line to save those in need. The best Superman since 1978 is Captain America.
I hope DC sees this
my favorite superman moment with his dad would be on smallville when he talks to his ghost and his dad tells him we all have dark sides that we fight with everyday
that's why the tights wearing superman from the comics will always be the best. post crisis superman is gonna be the new superman ,hell yeah. my favourite moment is when he takes down the elite and lobotomise Manchester black and Gave him a cool ass bitch slap and a pep talk
He didn't actually lobotomize Manchester Black in the comic though. He only tricked him that he did.
+kurvos oh yeah,oh yeah . but who cares? that moment was still badass
That's nothin. Did you see what he did to Goku?
Kal El "Who cares"? Well, someone who uses the username "Kal El" should, for example.
I said nothing about if that made it less badass or not. The fact that you even bring into discussion about it being "badass" to lobotomize or kill someone makes me feel like you don't understand what Post-Crisis Superman is supposed to stand for.
kurvos Are you criticising a guy who read hundreds of post crisis superman comics? I think it is badass and I thought he lobotomises MB because I haven't read that comic in quite a while so I forgot some details. And like you know what post crisis supes really stands for? He stands for hope ,justice and to do the right thing. To help others even without super powers ,looks ,origin and powers don't matter ,but actions matter.
I have a few issues with what he is saying.
We did have a moment like the Pa Kent thing in 1978. It was with the speech Jor-El gave Clark in MoS before he flew off. MCU Captain America wasn't exactly fully hopeful in his movies.
He gets confused a lot too. He has an internal struggle just like DCEU
Superman does. I don't remember any hero automatically being hopeful and
knowing what to do from the minute they suit up.DCEU Superman is hopeful and inspiring to the audience and within
the movie. That whole scene of him taking his first flight in MoS where
he's flying and smiling pretty much tells us that no matter how many
times we fall down. We have to get back up. They dedicated a statue to
him in BvS, he had supporters in the government until Lex framed him,
the US government gave him a funeral after realizing he was innocent and
a hero, and he inspired Batman to go down a path of redemption where
he's going to stop killing and has him on a quest to assemble the JL. This Superman is like any hero at this point. He's a rookie. He
knows he has powers but he doesn't know what all of them are, how to
fully limit them or control them. Of course he's going to make a ton of
mistakes. How many did Batman make starting out? How many did Spider-Man
make? How many did Captain America make? Plenty. I could go on and on.
Before the DCEU, I didn't even care about Superman because he didn't
seem like a simple character. He just seemed like this invincible god
with no real weakness and had everything and made no mistakes. I've
always sided with Batman because he's always embodied what a lot of
people go through in their daily lives. He's witnessed loss, made so
many mistakes in his career, struggles with being Batman and Bruce
Wayne, and a no-killing rule that he wants to break. With the DCEU, I
actually am liking Superman because I'm starting to see this side to him
that isn't often shown. We see that DC's golden boy isn't all he's
cracked up to be. He's like all of us. He's weak, vulnerable, makes
mistakes, and while he does that he will learn from them. He will slowly
form into the quintessential hopeful bright guy that people are
proclaiming he isn't despite some of the feats he's pulled off in just
two films.
In all honesty I have to say that this Superman isn't broken. He's
fresh and new. He represents how a modern hero would rise after a
cataclysmic event like 9/11 and/or the Battle of Metropolis and is
wanting to figure out how he can inspire people but he's not sure.
Everyone gives him flack. He is going off of some of the very rare
Superman stories that don't sugarcoat who he is in the way that Superman
(1978), Grant Morrison, and the DCAU to some extent did. This is the
Superman that comes from John Byrne's and Dan Jurgens' imagination,
Superman: Earth One, Superman Birthright, and Secret Origins. This is
the one for today and for tomorrow. This is the one we can relate to.
Not the untranslatable god in the sky that you can't connect with
immediately.
That's exactly what I thought myself. Whenever I watch MoS or BvS afterwards I want to be the greatest version of myself I can possibly be, when I see Christopher Reaves' Superman I just think man this guy is so inhuman and impossible to even become anything like. Cavil I feel a sense of hope, Reaves I get disappointed in myself.
You took the words straight out of my mouth and SO much more. If only everyone irrationally hating on Cavill's Superman could understand all this as well as we do...
Sadly those people are most likely never going to bother reading more recent Superman comic books. They rather just keep the image that was given to them by Richard Donner.
*slams table* THANK YOU!
It upsets me that this guy doesn't have millions of subscribers.
I think, if we're being honest, we're being to hard on Superman.
The fact of the matter is, at least in this universe, Superman is tasked with this impossible task of being the hope and inspiration to the entire world. But ultimately, he's just a boy from Kansas. I think the fact that he's not the perfect image of what we believe "Superman" should be reflects on his humanity. My favorite moment from BvS is during the newsreel of Superman saving people, and one of the newscasters says, "Maybe he isn't some Jesus or Devil figure, maybe he's just a guy trying to do the right thing."
I think we forget that sometimes doing the right thing is hard. And that's why i think this version of Superman works, is because he reflects the inevitable truth that sometimes even when we do the right thing it will be hard, we won't always enjoy it, and sometimes we'll fall short of that. And even if then we press on, even if we continue to press on, there's no guarantee the outcome will be good. I think that this Superman wouldn't work in this universe as the one you're speaking of James, as it wouldn't be authentic to the reality of the way this world is set.
The problem with this Superman is that we don't have any idea why he even wants to help people.
Just to clear one thing up: The Jonathan Kent story about diverting a river DOES come into play. It's a parallel to how Clark feels about inadvertently killing people, ie. the desert. Jonathan went crazy over having killed his neighbor's horses and says his only salvation coming in the form of Martha Kent. Clark's moral battle between feeling guilty over the lives of others and continuing to attempt to save lives is aided by his love for Lois. Before he gives his life, he says "This is my world. You are my world" which pretty much sums everything up.
I think this video is your best work yet. I keep coming back to it.
Warner bros need to give the rights back to marvel
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I CANT EVEN SEE HIM FLY OFF THE GROUND! HE JUST BOOMS OUT AND HE GOES OFF SCREEN
This video is perfection. Exactly what I've been saying.
There hasn't been a single moment in both films that makes you hopeful and shows that Superman is a true hero.
Favorite superman moment? ALL STAR Superman has everything I like about Supes... It makes me really sad that the current Supes is nothing like ALL STAR Superman. It makes me sad that people don't really know who superman is, and why should they know, the current movies makes him look like an asshole. I'm sad of how my favorite character is being represented.
This new Superman is just designed to cash in on the recent pseudo-nihilism trend. People think that the "dark" and "brooding" stuff looks cool. In actuality, these movies are not in the least bit dark. The good guys always win, the bad guys die or go to prison, and we get to see tons of mindless action.
What are you talking about. It's always been about action. That's why people go to see ACTION movies! Yea we want a good plot, but deep down all people want to see is a good superpower beat down. That's why we watch comic book movies! For the action!
Yes, I know that. Teenagers, guys in their 20s and people in general want to watch brainless, simplistic action movies, but they also want to feel like they're watching something deep and challenging. So the latest technique is to create a brainless action movie that's "dark" and "realistic" so that fans think they're watching a deep movie. In reality, these films are neither dark nor realistic, they just have harsh shadows, low saturation, and everyone speaks with grandiose dialogue. But that's enough for fans to think they're not watching a "kid's movie" - which apparently is what Marvel makes. Ironically Batman v Superman and Man of Steel have far more childish stories than most Marvel movies.
People also think that dark, nihilistic stuff looks cool. This trend has been growing recently. Dark costumes, grime-filled streets, desolated cities, and dour anti-heroes are really popular right now. So they made Superman and his universe "dark, gritty and realistic". It's really none of those things, but it's close enough that fans think they're watching a smart, challenging action movie.
Thank you so much for this comment, I have been arguing this same point with my friend since bvs came out.
+CapREX77 no one wants mindless action that makes no fucking sense. And no one especially wants a superman character in a movie to snap a villains neck and then linger on the shot of the snapped neck and have him scream out in agony. Warner is just trying to recapture what Nolan did with batman. Those films worked because Nolan made them. Not hack Snyder. Snyders idea of dark and realistic isn't intelligent stylistic crime noir, it's fucking buildings collapsing and the conflicted hero breaking the bad guys neck to save everyone.
+Fine Wine Daily we have Nolan to thank for it with the dark knight films. I love those movies but it seems like everything now is trying to ape what he did with a character meant to be in that kind of world.
The end sequence had me cracking up with the music lmao
I'm glad you asked. I enjoyed watching every single animated version of Superman meeting Batman, their dialog, their respective unmasking of each other and how they tease each other.