Great to see you concentrating on what the presenter was saying while others were off taking photos etc, you were right there in front of him, well done Ben, very informative.
Except its for show. 24/7 and 365 and no downtime, at 3 mins a fork would be 175,200 forks per year. says right there below the title that they produce a million bikes a year. If you were really QCing every fork with this machine or similar, you would have a computer do it, and you would only use humans to inspect any forks that have an anomaly. It's clear that this tour guide is very much a marketeer and not an engineer.
@@daynosdrYes, I too am skeptical as the math does not make sense. That's only 15-20 forks an hour, which is a really low rate. With x-ray a human still needs to manually review the scans for anomalies. At 7:19 you can see scan totals from 6,000-10,000 per month and rejection rates...so maybe 100,000 forks a year.
@@daynosdr its not.... Giant make a million frames a year... that ranges from road to Downhill... only road bikes have carbon steerers..... id be deleting my comment if i were you.... like duh
No company anywhere that’s mass producing anything can or would QC every single piece. It’s not sustainable. Most take a random number of samples from a batch or set number of product produced and check them. (Ex, every 5th one out of 50, etc…) Over the course of many batches they can relatively safely assume that based on the sample checks that each of those batches is as good (or possibly bad) as what the batch sample test shows. I don’t think they’re trying to say they check every single one, but if so, I’m sure there’s an internet math nerd who can definitely prove/disprove it.
Rode a TCR comp. Bottom bracket shell fell apart underneath. I glassed it myself and it held up 9 more years. Could have been a crash, but I rode that frame 14 years in total. I loved it!
I'm Taiwanese, and ride Giant TCR Advanced, too. I would like to share a little story about Giant founder Mr. Liu. THX for Giant's founder Mr. Liu, he integrated rivals & vendors to define components specific (except drivetrain) in early 2000. So that bicycle OEM quality in Taiwan was improved due to the alliance. That's why Taiwan has another well know brand such as Merida & KMC & FSA(vision) & Topeak.
The cold cutting process is probably the most lucrative aspect of it all. If giant as a manufacturer can sell it as a process to its bike company customers(which it will) it’ll make bank
As long as you replace the tyres the day you get it. Damn i wished giant would just outsource their tyres. They are good in many things. But no one including giant is good at everything
I bought a Cadex (Giant) carbon fiber frame mountain bike in 1990. Still rolling with: replaced derailleurs, wheels, crank, brakes, shock, and cables. [Hit by a car running a red in 2005, throwing the bike (and me) down the street about 30 meters.] The only minor issue was when I put disc breaks and new shock on the front, which raised the headset about 3.5 cm (~inch and a half) resulting in some faint crackling sounds when I rode for a few years. I’m sure the change in force direction put unusual stress on the frame…though after 10 years more riding, no noticeable effect. Frame could use new clear coat !
I know that Time isn't a major manufacturer of frames in terms of volume but their woven carbon process for their RTM manufacturing is Godly. They weave carbon and aramid fibers into a tubular shape that is then resin impregnated.
Great video. I really like the manufacturing excellence approach of giant, compared to, for example, pinarello that's a luxury brand approach first. And given that giant makes frames for lots of competitors, it's just funny, if not sad, that people willingly pay more just because the logo is different.
People want something that's different. I bought a giant ecstasy advance 29.3 mountain bike a few months ago because I've always wanted a carbon fiber hardtail. This might be my last bike because I'm 59 years old, but I still want to have some enjoyment and I like that 2-year warranty about if anything goes wrong with the frame along with a lifetime warranty. I love the black and sapphire color, just like a team giant bike. I know canyon has their bikes made over in Taiwan, but it's a 6-year warranty. I've also I like being different. When it comes to different brands. Giant has the best warranty for a carbon bike.
Anyone knows how they take the bladder out ? Does it melt ? Gets dissolved in whatever chemical ? Gets sucked out of the frame once it's been cooked and hardened ? Is it reusable or usable only once ?
Somehow people think that the Giant Group is falling on hard times - the stock is fine. Giant makes bikes for other famous brands on a “cash and carry basis”. If Cannondale or Trek don’t sell their Giant-manufactured inventory- that’s on them.
Exactly. And also either Trek or specialized are in debt for millions of dollars to Giant not sure which one of them it is, but one of them is going under... most likely being bought out
Giant would still be adversely affected as there would be less orders across the board . If the buyers can't pay , then Giant's investment capacity and shareholders would be affected .
I do believe I am now a Giant Bicycle fan. I have always loved Bianchi. Made in Italy, known for their steel frames that handle and feel like a Ferrari. Very refined feel when riding.
It’s amazing to see such manufacturing process. Only a few (Time bicycle came to mind) to see the carbon weaving process. Much much more than just bling paint scheme & unproven faux aero fin from some manufacturers. I wonder if Giant carbon tech can make F1 car chassis
The carbon thread is from toray. Giant only weave them into sheets. As for Toray, they pretty much monopolized the market and even supplies to F1 teams.
Specialize bicycle frames are made by Taiwanese bike maker Marita. Since Marina and specialize have a deal, Marita bikes won't be sold in the United States. I wish they would bring that bike manufacturer here
Statement: “The only major manufacturer that takes this step” (of making their own composite sheet, or prepreg carbon) is incorrect. Ive seen it with my own eyes in another location…. And I’m making a documentary about carbon production where I will show it so I will backup my words 👍🏻
Been following giant since the 80s predating the TCR always have had a lot of respect for what they do and how to do it. Somewhere in the Youniverse is an interview with their President, I would recommend that to anyone interested in learning more about them and how they orient them selves philosophically
Carbon frames can be quite robust and long lasting. A family member has an eight year old Giant Trance Carbon mountain bike that has just gone over 16,000 miles (25,000km) of mainly off-road riding.
Thanks Ben. Fascinating insights into the intricacies of carbon bike building. Quality control is impressive, as is the skill and professional commitment of the team who build the bikes. Great to see that bikes made in Taiwan are among the best in the world. The filament to sheet tech was good to understand. More info about directional layups for different areas of the frame would be even more so. …Interestingly the new 3T made in Italia bikes now utilize a unique carbon filament winding process, whereby the majority of the frame is wound rather than laid up in sheets. That would be a very interesting comparison.
my question is, if they are laying up their own carbon, why do they make difference models of frame? Is it more resin or different carbon filament? or just less parts?
different carbon type, as Toray produce different quality products depends on what features you looking for. An there is also a different type of construction process. At the end you get different quality in terms of performing (weight and stiffness for example)
Yes, they use toray carbon which is made in Japan. Fine with me. Right now, I'm trying to buy a giant ecstasy advanced 293 and the sapphire and black paint. I just hope I will really enjoy it. It cost $2,500 and I owe about 700 right now. Now I just need to find a place that will buy my giant talon. 3.
@@rtz549 AFAIK, there is at least one brand (Time?) using a wax model to wrap the carbon sheets onto, and later the wax is extraced by heating it. That actually makes a true monocoque possible.
I would buy a giant over any other world tour brand because of quality control. Time and Look also have the same standards just cost more because it’s France.
Why would they do that? Service manual is not meant to be shared publicly! Its intelectual right. If you dont have control of your product, your meant to be doomed.
@@bushmechanic7196 service manuals are created specifically to be publicly shared, so people can service and maintain their bikes... What other purpose would it have....?
A friend of mine had a Giant TCR bike back in 2018 and he had to get the frame replaced under warranty due to the paint around the bottom bracket area cracking due to movement in the area. This is a common issue on giant bikes as what I have been told that most probably go back at least 10yrs. After my friend received a new bike build, he sold the bike. I would trust Giant with a 1000ft pole. A bicycle store back in the 90's in Melbourne told me about this issue and he would not sell them.
My 6061 Boulder had paint cracking as well . This is a widespread problem with the brand . Defy carbon bottom bracket ovality creaking is another problem to Giant .
@9:17 he says front triangle is one single part & it's a single piece mold @9:22 worker moves the top tube away from the seat tube. That looks to me like individual pieces are being joined together to make one part. Not the same as "one piece"
For a long time I thought Giant was the only real 100% brand but I've heard they don't even make their rims or spokes and I'm assuming they don't even make their seat post, saddles, stem or handlebars....So it's just the frameset...
They don't make every single thing on all their bikes, no, but they do make a lot of it. They showed us their carbon wheel manufacturing, for instance, but we weren't allowed to photo or video it.
Well I can tell there is a lot of imperfection in carbon industry that's one of reasons they don't want to show and carbon lifespan is really short what no one wants to admit
Great to see you concentrating on what the presenter was saying while others were off taking photos etc, you were right there in front of him, well done Ben, very informative.
Impressive! Next bike will look seriously consider GIANT! Gave me reason to appreciate to “enjoy” the Ride! ❤
Just amazing how labor intensive building a carbon frame is. Nice Job Ben!
Giant's factory cleanliness is far above any composite manufacturers I have seen.
Hats off to Giant. Thanks Ben
That x-ray for every fork is crazy impressive.
Except its for show. 24/7 and 365 and no downtime, at 3 mins a fork would be 175,200 forks per year. says right there below the title that they produce a million bikes a year. If you were really QCing every fork with this machine or similar, you would have a computer do it, and you would only use humans to inspect any forks that have an anomaly. It's clear that this tour guide is very much a marketeer and not an engineer.
@@daynosdrYes, I too am skeptical as the math does not make sense. That's only 15-20 forks an hour, which is a really low rate. With x-ray a human still needs to manually review the scans for anomalies. At 7:19 you can see scan totals from 6,000-10,000 per month and rejection rates...so maybe 100,000 forks a year.
The 1M number is a variety of bikes, mountain, hybrid, etc. So definitely not 1M bikes with carbon steerers.
@@daynosdr its not.... Giant make a million frames a year... that ranges from road to Downhill... only road bikes have carbon steerers.....
id be deleting my comment if i were you.... like duh
No company anywhere that’s mass producing anything can or would QC every single piece. It’s not sustainable. Most take a random number of samples from a batch or set number of product produced and check them. (Ex, every 5th one out of 50, etc…)
Over the course of many batches they can relatively safely assume that based on the sample checks that each of those batches is as good (or possibly bad) as what the batch sample test shows.
I don’t think they’re trying to say they check every single one, but if so, I’m sure there’s an internet math nerd who can definitely prove/disprove it.
Very impressive. Thanks to Giant for allowing the look behind the curtain!
Being a Revolt rider, it was really neat to see all the detail and testing that Giant does. Awesome!
As a happy giant owner, cool to see where and how it's made.
I loved giant bikes they're so high quality. No wonder other companies buy from them instead of making the bikes themselves.
the new giant bikes are pretty nice. some are a pain to work on but its just routine.
Rode a TCR comp. Bottom bracket shell fell apart underneath. I glassed it myself and it held up 9 more years. Could have been a crash, but I rode that frame 14 years in total. I loved it!
How many milee on it?
I know people with a Jewelry factory there. What a technological giant, Giant has become.
I'm Taiwanese, and ride Giant TCR Advanced, too. I would like to share a little story about Giant founder Mr. Liu. THX for Giant's founder Mr. Liu, he integrated rivals & vendors to define components specific (except drivetrain) in early 2000. So that bicycle OEM quality in Taiwan was improved due to the alliance. That's why Taiwan has another well know brand such as Merida & KMC & FSA(vision) & Topeak.
Cool. Thanks for sharing. Did that group ever formalize to have a name? Or was it just collaboration to create standards?
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney Partially Yes, the group was named "A-team" which was like strategy alliance.
@atlaswang1959 ah, right! Now I am vaguely remembering old BRAIN and Bike Europe stories on this. Thank you.
Been riding propels from 2018 ,super super fun , totally recommend
Love my 2023 TCR Advanced Pro! Hats off to Giant 🙌🏽
The cold cutting process is probably the most lucrative aspect of it all. If giant as a manufacturer can sell it as a process to its bike company customers(which it will) it’ll make bank
i love my 2021 tcr advanced sl 0. nice to see what goes on behind the scenes
Testing those forks saves lives. Many other high end bike brands don't care.
AJ bringing the heat!
Thanks, beautiful process, very clean factory and well organised. Thank you Giant for allowing the tour.
I won't lie, makes me want a giant.
Have the exact same bike. So happy with this purchase.
Love it thank you !
I’ve been on a tour of the Giant Amsterdam facility they mostly do aluminum bikes there.
Hard to beat Giant’s bang for the buck. Love my Defy Advanced.
As long as you replace the tyres the day you get it.
Damn i wished giant would just outsource their tyres. They are good in many things. But no one including giant is good at everything
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I bought a Cadex (Giant) carbon fiber frame mountain bike in 1990. Still rolling with: replaced derailleurs, wheels, crank, brakes, shock, and cables. [Hit by a car running a red in 2005, throwing the bike (and me) down the street about 30 meters.]
The only minor issue was when I put disc breaks and new shock on the front, which raised the headset about 3.5 cm (~inch and a half) resulting in some faint crackling sounds when I rode for a few years. I’m sure the change in force direction put unusual stress on the frame…though after 10 years more riding, no noticeable effect.
Frame could use new clear coat !
I know that Time isn't a major manufacturer of frames in terms of volume but their woven carbon process for their RTM manufacturing is Godly. They weave carbon and aramid fibers into a tubular shape that is then resin impregnated.
8:29 probably cut on a flatbed cutter like a ZUND machine from Swiss.
I have a 2022 Fathom 29 and love it.
I love Giant ❤❤❤
Some people look down their nose on Giant bikes but I’ve been nothing but impressed.
Great video. I really like the manufacturing excellence approach of giant, compared to, for example, pinarello that's a luxury brand approach first. And given that giant makes frames for lots of competitors, it's just funny, if not sad, that people willingly pay more just because the logo is different.
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People want something that's different. I bought a giant ecstasy advance 29.3 mountain bike a few months ago because I've always wanted a carbon fiber hardtail. This might be my last bike because I'm 59 years old, but I still want to have some enjoyment and I like that 2-year warranty about if anything goes wrong with the frame along with a lifetime warranty. I love the black and sapphire color, just like a team giant bike. I know canyon has their bikes made over in Taiwan, but it's a 6-year warranty. I've also I like being different. When it comes to different brands. Giant has the best warranty for a carbon bike.
Very interesting. Thank you for the tour.
Thanks for touring video! Ben, I always wonder what's look like 👍
I have two giant communter bikes. Want the new TCR so much.
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Thanks for another incredible video!
My pleasure! It was cool to have that access.
Wow impressive great to see 😊 Pete 🚴🏻👍
Would love to know how F1 teams make their carbon parts - enjoyed the video
Very good content, my next brand will be Giant whenever I get bored with Specialized.
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Anyone knows how they take the bladder out ? Does it melt ? Gets dissolved in whatever chemical ? Gets sucked out of the frame once it's been cooked and hardened ? Is it reusable or usable only once ?
Somehow people think that the Giant Group is falling on hard times - the stock is fine. Giant makes bikes for other famous brands on a “cash and carry basis”. If Cannondale or Trek don’t sell their Giant-manufactured inventory- that’s on them.
Exactly. And also either Trek or specialized are in debt for millions of dollars to Giant not sure which one of them it is, but one of them is going under... most likely being bought out
@@rider65 it’s a safe assumption that it’s Trek. Giant makes bikes for Scott and many famous names.
Giant would still be adversely affected as there would be less orders across the board . If the buyers can't pay , then Giant's investment capacity and shareholders would be affected .
XDS makes some TREK models in their Cambodia factory .
Fork integrity is paramount and Giant goes the extra step to ensure this. I feel Enve also does forks to perfection.
Pretty involved process. Great video. Thx
Awesome. Thanks for this.
Thanks for touring video @dean
Very interesting video. Thank you for showing
I do believe I am now a Giant Bicycle fan. I have always loved Bianchi. Made in Italy, known for their steel frames that handle and feel like a Ferrari. Very refined feel when riding.
It's been a very long time since they had been made in Italy.
3 moths and my giant propel advanced pro 0 dont arrive 🤯 dont understand
Even if you assume working 24 hours a day, 300 days a year (lots of holidays), that's over 2 bikes a minute!
OMG it's ANDREW JUSKAITIS! He's awesome.
Great video! 👏👏
What was said at the 0:20 second mark?
"...five steps we're looking at here, in the, Giant factory."
20 years with the company....that's pretty impressive!
Thank you!
Terrific well done
It’s amazing to see such manufacturing process. Only a few (Time bicycle came to mind) to see the carbon weaving process. Much much more than just bling paint scheme & unproven faux aero fin from some manufacturers. I wonder if Giant carbon tech can make F1 car chassis
The carbon thread is from toray. Giant only weave them into sheets. As for Toray, they pretty much monopolized the market and even supplies to F1 teams.
@@bingbing3464 i know as there’s one supplier nearby my friend’s place. But the process is what makes the difference (to many other brands)
So where is the part of the factory where they make the bikes for all the other brands? 😝
That’s on a different Giant factory. This one just builds the new 2024 TCR. 😝
It's a cavernous facility, and 30% of the bikes coming out of that one are made for other brands.
Specialize bicycle frames are made by Taiwanese bike maker Marita. Since Marina and specialize have a deal, Marita bikes won't be sold in the United States. I wish they would bring that bike manufacturer here
are any bike brands made fully in America or Europe anymore? i mean the entire bike
Sure but they are usually not as high tech
❤ from Bangladeshi brother ❤ Taiwan cycle land
Statement: “The only major manufacturer that takes this step” (of making their own composite sheet, or prepreg carbon) is incorrect.
Ive seen it with my own eyes in another location…. And I’m making a documentary about carbon production where I will show it so I will backup my words 👍🏻
"We're Giant, we have the highest standards, no one has ever seen standards like this." Sure sure
Been following giant since the 80s predating the TCR always have had a lot of respect for what they do and how to do it. Somewhere in the Youniverse is an interview with their President, I would recommend that to anyone interested in learning more about them and how they orient them selves philosophically
Is that Bob Roll?
Carbon frames can be quite robust and long lasting. A family member has an eight year old Giant Trance Carbon mountain bike that has just gone over 16,000 miles (25,000km) of mainly off-road riding.
Awesome!!!!
Welcome pay a visit to Giant, Taiwan Bike Manufacturer 🎉 My country ❤
is there a factory in behind where i can get my new carbon frame from?
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Vídeo sensacional 👏🇧🇷
giant is spending big marketing bucks to launch a TCR in this environment. Bold move
Well asking an youtuber to your factory is relatively cheap but effective marketing.
And it makes beautiful content.
This is the world we live in right now. On the bringe of collapsing and what do humans care about??? Well, a super-strong, lightweight bicycle. Crazy.
Warren and….James in the background? Ouh, and David.
giant city bike ( city trooper) .The best double suspension all around city bike ever.
Thanks Ben. Fascinating insights into the intricacies of carbon bike building. Quality control is impressive, as is the skill and professional commitment of the team who build the bikes. Great to see that bikes made in Taiwan are among the best in the world. The filament to sheet tech was good to understand. More info about directional layups for different areas of the frame would be even more so. …Interestingly the new 3T made in Italia bikes now utilize a unique carbon filament winding process, whereby the majority of the frame is wound rather than laid up in sheets. That would be a very interesting comparison.
Is that James Huang photo bombing at 6:40?!😄
That guy is always in my shots. 😜
caught glimpses of warren and david j as well. will be interesting to see all the different viewspoints
my question is, if they are laying up their own carbon, why do they make difference models of frame? Is it more resin or different carbon filament? or just less parts?
Now this is the question i would’ve asked.
different carbon type, as Toray produce different quality products depends on what features you looking for. An there is also a different type of construction process. At the end you get different quality in terms of performing (weight and stiffness for example)
@@tizzadh oh I thought that was just resin ratio. So is each giant roll a different type then? Do they mix the strands too?
@@nationsnumber1chump Resin could be also diferent type, yes. Depending frame level it has diferent Toray carbon type or construction.
Wild!
Wow, Giant and Pinarello uses same type of carbon.
Yes, they use toray carbon which is made in Japan. Fine with me. Right now, I'm trying to buy a giant ecstasy advanced 293 and the sapphire and black paint. I just hope I will really enjoy it. It cost $2,500 and I owe about 700 right now. Now I just need to find a place that will buy my giant talon. 3.
watch and learn specialized 6:59
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hey guys by the way giant makes most components for others brands so you also have the tech
David Arthur at 7:00
Some Chinese bike companies also make pretty good bike frames as well.
The bladders is difficult. Why not 3D print a shell and carbon over that and just leave it inside?
Weight?
@@SrFederico for a lower cost model though if it would make manufacturing simpler.
@@rtz549 AFAIK, there is at least one brand (Time?) using a wax model to wrap the carbon sheets onto, and later the wax is extraced by heating it. That actually makes a true monocoque possible.
David Arthur cameo back there lol
That s why my last bike I bought is a GIANT TCR
Pretty sure Time make their own composite sheet with their own proprietory weaving system.
Which is why I was [hopefully] clear to distinguish "major manufacturer" in my presentation.
@@andrewjuskaitis5767 always read T&C's kids, even better have a legal team on payroll so that they can translate these things for you.
I would buy a giant over any other world tour brand because of quality control. Time and Look also have the same standards just cost more because it’s France.
Time Bicycle company weaves their own carbon as well.
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hey ben tell the boss of giant that 3T does it too. starts from the carbon wire. come to italy
Wowen from carbon wires, no sheets 👍 only one In the world i think.
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@@aoe76 Ever heard of Time bicycles?
Maybe they can make a Carbon fiber submersible to go to the titanic.
Now, back to good, affordable, and reliable aluminum frames.
I spy with my little eye angryasian (AKA James Huang of Escape Collective).
As long as Giant does not make their service manuals publically available, I won't buy another bike from them.
Why would they do that? Service manual is not meant to be shared publicly! Its intelectual right. If you dont have control of your product, your meant to be doomed.
@@bushmechanic7196 That's what patents are for 😉 Ever heard of right to repair? Imagine Shimano would stop publishing their service manuals!
@@bushmechanic7196 service manuals are created specifically to be publicly shared, so people can service and maintain their bikes... What other purpose would it have....?
No safety glasses 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
so David Auther is your camera man?
A friend of mine had a Giant TCR bike back in 2018 and he had to get the frame replaced under warranty due to the paint around the bottom bracket area cracking due to movement in the area. This is a common issue on giant bikes as what I have been told that most probably go back at least 10yrs. After my friend received a new bike build, he sold the bike. I would trust Giant with a 1000ft pole. A bicycle store back in the 90's in Melbourne told me about this issue and he would not sell them.
My 6061 Boulder had paint cracking as well . This is a widespread problem with the brand . Defy carbon bottom bracket ovality creaking is another problem to Giant .
@9:17 he says front triangle is one single part & it's a single piece mold @9:22 worker moves the top tube away from the seat tube. That looks to me like individual pieces are being joined together to make one part. Not the same as "one piece"
Has me considering buying a Giant bike instead of manufacturing one on my own.
For a long time I thought Giant was the only real 100% brand but I've heard they don't even make their rims or spokes and I'm assuming they don't even make their seat post, saddles, stem or handlebars....So it's just the frameset...
They don't make every single thing on all their bikes, no, but they do make a lot of it. They showed us their carbon wheel manufacturing, for instance, but we weren't allowed to photo or video it.
@@TheRidewithBenDelaney oh ok, good news for the wheels, does that mean they make their cadex rims to ?
@hockeyiscanada they do, yes.
@@hockeyiscanada the freehub and internal ratchet is not made by Giant, but carbon rims, spokes, and asembly for sure they produce it.
ISP they do😂
Wofür steht der eine Typ da rum und beobachtet alles?
Western nations absolutely must begin to build their own bikes.
Well I can tell there is a lot of imperfection in carbon industry that's one of reasons they don't want to show and carbon lifespan is really short what no one wants to admit
I have learned a lot about making sandwich today
Can you buy a new bike while you where there?