We had a LEAF for a couple years and really enjoyed our introduction to EVs, their joys and limitations. Then we sold it and got a Tesla Y. Love the car and do 100% of our charging at home (solar) except on road trips. The Tesla Supercharger network is simply perfect! Welcome to all of you just joining us. Forgive us if we seem a bit smug - we’ve had it good for so long and sharing is new. Enjoy!
Bought a Model Y back in May and have driven on many road trips since. One of the main reason why I went with Tesla was for the supercharger network which has been great and super easy to use. I live in Southern California and my only complaint is that there just isn't enough of them. EV's here are becoming quite popular. I do hear they are planning on building more in the near future.
I miss the old days back in 2013-14 when there weren’t that many Tesla Superchargers and how cool it was when a new one opened up on a route you normally traveled. Here in the Midwest, there was almost nobody at them back then and it was an adventure to find them in my Model S. There are a lot more Superchargers out there now, and a lot more Teslas. These days, it’s hardly ever the occasion when no one else is at a Supercharger. But at least in the Midwest, I’ve still never had to wait for a stall to open up. The Supercharger network is what made EV’s a viable alternative to gas vehicles, even though 99% of the time, you just charge up every night in your garage. And, fortunately for me, I still have free unlimited Supercharging as an early Tesla owner. I love it!
Talked to my wife about this the other day. I complained because road trips weren't fun any more, they're just boring. Most of the time you don't even need to plan the trip!
Glad you could finally make it to the party! I’m sad because if incumbents had had taken seriously Tesla’s long published “master plan” it was spelled out what was being built…supercharger network needed to be in place first. Even so, it took awhile for it to proliferate enough to mostly eliminate range anxiety. Had the other players been just as logical re EV adoption, they would have constructed a similarly robust network of chargers. Tesla has always been open to helping rather than hindering. Strange but true ⚠️
Thanks for the informative video. Tesla opening their Superchargers is a huge deal for people in West Texas where DC fast charging is very inadequate. I have a 2022 Chevy Bolt and got the Lectron Vortex adapter about a month ago. I tried it out at a local Tesla Supercharger using the GM app. It worked fine. This week I'm excited to go on a road trip and use it for real. Where I live it West Texas it's about 190 miles to the first DC fast charger if I drive to Austin. I can and have made it to the charger in the past, but I'm cutting it really close and it freaks my wife out rolling in to the charger with dashes on the guess-o-meter. Tesla opening up their Superchargers will allow me to charge in Llano which is only 129 miles which means no range anxiety when we go to Austin.
@@chargeeverywhere We just got back from our trip and we had a pretty interesting charging experience. We started our trip after charging to 100% using our NEMA 14-50 plug in our garage. After we got on the road, our first charge was at the Tesla Supercharger in Llano, Texas using our Lectron Vortex adapter. Next, we charged at a Charge Point CCS charger at a TXB gas station near Bee Cave, Texas. Then, we charged at a Charge Point Level 2 at an IKEA in Round Rock, Texas. The next morning, we charged at another Teslas Supercharger in downtown San Antonio. Our last charge was at a Shell CCS charger in Junction. It was fun trying out the connector and the new chargers. Both CCS chargers have been installed within the last year or so. Even though we have a Chevy Bolt and charging is relatively slow, we didn’t feel any range anxiety on this trip.
as someone who just purchased a Chevy Bolt, I really wish that non tesla EVs had the charge port on the back driver side of the car so we don't have to block off the charger in the next spot while we charge.
Some of the places I go are easier using campground plugs even with access to Tesla charging but it's gotten to the point where I don't have to spend the entire charging stop figuring out how long to charge and where I should stop next. Or staying in a place and having to drive 30 mins out of the way to charge
I don't have an EV but I've seen a number of Wawa and other businesses with super chargers around me and almost no other chargers so this is great news.
I have said it all along, and will keep saying it -- this is the best thing that has happened to EV adoption in North America since the founding of Tesla itself. And they began the whole thing worldwide. This is truly a game changer. Charger anxiety is now gone for all those who have access, and those that will soon get access. With this last major obstacle gone, EV adoption will shoot up like never before. It already hit 10% of all car sales in September for the time month ever. The fact that they're being advertised all over television and other mediums from almost all manufacturers now is just another sign.
@@junehanzawa5165 The inconvenience of not being able to charge at home for people who live in multifamily buildings and can't afford to upgrade their property to support home charging is a bigger hurdle I think. People need to be able to charge conviniently on a regular basis where they already live. I've been living without my own charger for a year and it's annoying, not something I'd ever recommend to someone.
@@junehanzawa5165 It takes me 10 min to go fill up the gas car to 100% at a gas station and return home. It takes me 2 hours at a DC charger or 8 hours at a L2 chargers to fully charge my EV to 100%. If I don't charge to 100%, then instead of one trip per week I have to make two or three trips.. Are you trying to say that people are going to be just fine waiting 2 to 8 hours at a public charger versus being able to plug in at home, go to sleep, and unplug in the morning when they wake up?
@@junehanzawa5165 Sorry again if this is a duplicate, my comments keep disappearing. What's a reasonable amount of time for you to spend thinking about where and how you'll charge your car? To wait in line at a public charger? To sit in your car while it charges? To call customer service because their app isn't working and their station isn't accepting credit card payments?
@@usflin You're confusing superchargers and their 99.96% uptime and reliability rate with EA and other such crappy providers in America. And the fact that you think otherwise illustrates why this is so game changing. Superchargers simply work. You just plug it in and it works. The usual time for most drivers is 15 to 20 minutes. We usually grab something to eat through a drive through and eat while charging because it charges so fast that we don't have time for a sit down meal. If you don't have a place to charge at home, you simply visit a supercharger site once a week or two weeks (depending on how much you drive daily) just like you did with a gas station. If you live in an area with high EV concentration, you simply look online and see which times the sites are least busy and go there at said times once a week, again just like a gas station.
Tesla should mandate that other manufactures to have their charge ports where they have it on teslas that way nobody is conflicting spots between each other!
'23 Bolt euv. I just ordered this adapter, and don't plan on using it unless I need to, as it's expensive charging for a non-Tesla. Having the option is important to me, though.
My favorite plug? Definitely the NEMA 5-20P! It's got the power for everything I need, and that unique blade design just makes it stand out. If you know, you know!
@@dalececil7527 yes it does. I use Ohms law math to charge my ev. ;). I charge on a Nema 6-20. Same amount of copper but twice as fast as your 120v solution. My non Tesla ev is software limited, it don't do 16 amps at 120v. So jumping from 12amps 120v to 16 amps 240 v is a pretty big jump.
A very good video. I had a 2018 Bolt with the optional, extra cost DC fast charging port. In your case, with a full charge, you could go 235 miles in your Bolt. So 100 miles between chargers wouldn’t be a big deal except for the slow charging at each stop. Doesn’t make the Bolt a very good road tripper unless you’re willing to sit at chargers.
2018 bolts have gotten the upgraded 259 mile battery. Best to show up at the charger at like 2 percent battery as the bolt is super slow charging from 2 percent to about 52 percent. Adding 100 miles range can be done in 30 minutes if your charging the bottom of the pack to about to percent. Basically it means that if you start your day full. You can do 250 miles (food or pee tine). Charge for 30 minutes and get another 100 to 130 miles without having to wait on the car too much. Doing more then 400 miles a day in bolt is slow but upto 400 can be fine. Doing split days where you make a purposeful lunch break to have a full sit down lunch makes the car decent for 500 mile days. For me it's kind of a game. Having access to Tesla means I am more likely to be able to pull into a charger at 2 percent and get that 1110 miles in 30 mins because there are just a lot more options for charging.
That Supercharger looks like its slowly falling backwards 6:57. I hear if you lean it forward the charging speed increases 😀. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Wait until you try a Tesla V4 charging stand. As you mentioned, they are biggest and taller and have longer cables so you don't have to park in strange orientations. Also, they also have a NACS adapter built in so no need to carry one. As I understand it, you swipe your CC, and base knows you need the adapter so release it with the cable (you might also have to press a button on the built-in display). If it is a Tesla, you don't swipe. You click the button when the cable is in the stand, and it disconnects from the NACS adapter and leaves the adapter locked in the stand so no one can take it. Also, some stands are placed in the middle of the parking spot, so left and right, backwards or forward does not matter much. It also seems that the V4 spots are bigger. I assume this is for trucks like a Cybertruck, F150, etc.
2019 Bolt, I thought at first I would continue to look for EA, ChargePoint, etc and keep the Tesla chargers as a backup. I guess my thinking was Tesla would be more expensive. As I am doing more research, I am finding they are in most case, more competitively priced and more logically placed.
Thanks for the tip about using the Chevy app. I just opened it, filtered by Tesla only, and found there are zero Tesla chargers in my city that accept Chevy. Saved myself the trouble of having to install and login to the Tesla app or wasting money on an adapter when I don't have any stations near me.
Which city or town is that? Have you gone on the supercharger map online and filtered out everything except superchargers opened to NACS or opened to all? You don't have to be on any app or anything for that. You can also see if there are any planned sites coming to your area. Despite what everybody thinks, they added over 2,700 new chargers/stalls last quarter alone.
@@junehanzawa5165 San Francisco. I looked at the online supercharger map a while ago when Ford announced they were compatible and there were none at that time. Feel free to look again and let me know if you find any. ;) I see one in Daly City and one in South San Francisco but none in SF proper.
@@junehanzawa5165 I tried to reply earlier but I don't see that reply, so apologies if this is a duplicate. City is San Francisco, CA. I looked at the Tesla map online. There are zero "Superchargers open to Other EVs" or "Superchargers open to NACS" on that map.
I live in Philadelphia and will occasionally visit family in central PA or upstate NY. I have a Tesla and road tripping is so easy. I've looked at Plugshare and filtered only CCS stations to see what it would be like without superchargers. It would definitely be a challenge to drive.
With a Tesla you just drive to any post and plug it in. The car is recognized by the charger and you are charging. This video shows how sad the old standard was. The vehicle doesn't identify itself to the charger when plugged in. You have to use a phone. That is awful. That huge dumb old connector. So glad to see it going away. Every car made with that plug is obsolete and lost value. To drive my Mercedes any distance, I had to load three apps on my phone for the different networks and sign up with my credit card on three accounts. Then I couldn't find an open charger at any of those and had to download a fourth app at a charge station. It's hell out of the Tesla network.
Nacs is not perfect. It's handles tend to overheat when charging extremely fast charging Evs. They also don't do 800v vehicles that fast (like the cyber truck). Some ccs cars do have plug to charge on some networks. That's where the car is recognized by the charger. Overall though you are right the Tesla standard is better, but it's not the end all that people make it out to be.
I have lots of chargers in California. Plenty in most populous areas in fact. Finding a charging site is easy. There are lots of ccs sites. Often more sites and more convenient than tesla superchargers. Finding one that is available to use and unoccupied without a long queue is much more difficult. Problem is high ev adoption rate here by everyone. Additional tesla sites will hopefully relieve some of this but its just temporary. More multi unit and work L2 solutions are needed.
To give folks some added perspective on this, I was curious so I went and looked up the data for San Francisco, CA where I live. There have been 49,710 EVs registered in San Francisco, cumulatively thru mid 2024. San Francisco has around 1,000 public EV chargers. So that's about 50 EVs for every public charger. Plus a good number of public chargers turn off at midnight or when businesses close, or are located within parking garages that require payment for parking before accessing the charger.
@@usflin I see someone didn't major in math in college, or maybe your GED math has failed you. You're assuming that all EVs use public charging. What about the majority that charges at home, or at work? You assume that all the 50,000 EVs are going to charge at the same time at the public chargers? What about gas cars? How many gas stations for all the gas cars that are out in the city? Do yourself a favor, don't pretend to be smart.
@@guru2899 My point is that people need to be able to charge at home and not rely on public chargers because there are so few of them. **IF** all 50k EVs needed to use 1k chargers that obviously wouldn't work. That point seems to have flown right over your head. At least I don't go around insulting strangers on the internet, even when they have poor reading comprehension skills.
I believe the bolts that needed the update were ones that had a previous software update that broke something. My understanding is it's a extremely small minority
I had to update my 2019 Bolt for it to charge reliably on the Tasla network. Before the update I could charge one day, come back the next day it the car would not communicate with the charger. Once I did the software update the car now has no issue with charging on the Tesla network.
I did the software update before getting the adapter, so I could actually get the adapter through the mychevy app..after doing the update at the dealer, I still couldn't order the adapter, but found a workaround and it's on its way theoretically. I'm glad you posted this though because my VIN was one of the ones that the concierge said required the update, so hopefully now I'll be good to go. I wonder what the update actually was and why only certain 2019s and 2020s required it.
7:13 Did you mention you block 2 cars that can charge at 250kW to be able to charge at a Tesla charger at 50kW (the speed you can charge at ANY fast charger) 😱
An interesting decision by Tesla to open their Superchargers. The CCS1 alternative used by everyone else struggled to get going which made Tesla a default EV to buy for those that like to travel out of state. Now others can use Superchargers there is less reason to buy Tesla over other brands. Is this a huge own goal or is this just being pragmatic?
NACS AC extension cables will exist, but superchargers CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXTENSIONS. All DCFC have liquid cooling systems in the cables to prevent them overheating. This just isn’t physically possible to do with extensions. Rest assured, V4 dispensers should be the only ones installed now, and current V3 stations will likely get retrofits at some point.
1. Teslas routinely charge higher than 500 amps (i.e. they start at ~257 kw at low charge, let’s say 380v =676 amps), they just don’t hold it for more than a few minutes. 2. I am dreading the Chevy Bolts clogging up the supercharger network, having been stuck waiting for them at EVGo stations in Pittsburgh… so slow! Get a 3 and you’ll be much happier, the price is in the $30k’s now and they get 380miles of real range.
I've got a bolt. I understand your sentiment but still disagree with it. There are a number of cars that charge slow now. Kona ev. Bz4x, Nissan leaf, . And more. A bolt owner that is aware of the limitations of the car and typically chargers only to 50 or 60 percent on road trips is not any worse then a Tesla charging to 95 or so percent. Problems seem to arrise when people of any car want to charge to 100 percent for no reason. For ccs stations, problems arrise because stations are underperforming and partially broken enough that the sites won't support more then. Couple of charging Evs at a time.
No, there is a different Lectron adapter for that. If you look back in my videos you’ll find that there. The Vortex adapter here connects to the large DCFC pins on the CCS connector, while the destination charger version connects to the J1772 AC pins.
Same reason Ford doesnt own a chain of gas stations. Frankly I think the mfrs that sell EVs (most of them now) should pool their resources and make a charging station company, like an EA. Jumpstart it for 5-10 years til it can be self-sustaining.
5:45 Again to understand… You can can charge at 50kW at ANY fast charger but you drive to a Tesla V3 charger that can charge at 250kW and let a Tesla car wait 5x longer to charge after you if all charge bays are full and ‘YOU are SAD’… What about the car that has to wait behind you…🙉🙈🙊
Often the Supercharger is the old viable option where I live. And in my limited experience so far the stations have always been less than half full so we are all getting the full charge rate that we can pull. Granted someday this may not be the case. Very location dependent.
In Europe we have Tesla super chargers with CCS2. Some with ONLY CCS but most have both Teslas proprietary plug AND a CCS cable attached to the charger. So CCS won here. My California made Model 3 was delivered with a CCS2 connector and it fits comfortably behind the same standard charging port, so it’s not that large really. Also non Tesla owners pay more for SuC here.
@ there is nothing annoying with it. It’s all over Europe on every charging network and allows Tesla to sell electricity to other brands at a premium accelerating the expansions of the SuC network faster.
My son got my Bolt as I got a MY, he lives at a major university and they only have level 1 chargers around campus and no chargers in his garage. Eventually I’ll invest in an adapter until then fairly inconvenient.
The sooner CCS disappears the better all EV’s should now be coming with NACS charge ports in the ideal location. The only place CCS should be found is in a electronic surplus store or. a museum. The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption. The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
People need to stop advocating for "beefy" connectors. In engineering, it's easy to make things strong and heavy. It's why steel is so commonly used. Beefy is bad in this situation because it makes it more difficult to handle and use. It might be fine for you as a reasonably young person, but think about someone with limited strength or potentially they have a disability. I have the A2Z adapter and it's weight and difficulty to use make it a product I couldn't recommend to anyone.
Should be the world standard ! Why did all the others not start including the NACS immediately? With all the things Tesla does so well, why did you chose a GM product? You could have paid for any model you want with proceeds form Tesla stock.
I don't own a BEV myself, but if I did, depending on Tesla for juice would feel like I'm stuck with a knock-off version of the coolest gadget on the playground.
In the future I hope Tesla makes it mandatory for other companies to put their charger ports on either the driver rear or passenger front so they can conform to the intended design of the charger network. While you are considerate and parked on the end, this is not always the case, and it takes up two charging stalls when these EVs show up. End of the world? No… but when I’m routing my Tesla to a supercharger because it says there are two stalls currently available , and I show up and there are a Chevy bolt and a VW ID.4 charging and blocking access to the “available” ones, it sucks. The make it worse, neither of the above mentioned EVs charge very fast, so they will be there a while.
I am either buying or leasing an EV early next year, but will not buy a Tesla because of Musk. I’ll do my best to use only CCS chargers, but will use Tesla chargers in emergencies.
I find it all good, that there is now a standard in North America, but I do not like that there are now several Standards in the world. Asia has it´s standard, so does Europe.
Why would anyone buy an EV from a company without any fast charger or the availability of chargers? Some people just under estimate the important of fast charger...cough cough.
So you're taking 2 spots for one car and charge much slower making 2 people wait even longer. Frustrating. The good news is that your paying much more per KWh than tesla owners.
Honestly, just get a Tesla n don’t torture yourself with other brands. Why? Well the other brands aren’t internet investing in a Supercharger network like Tesla has already. Simple logic.
The reason no one took them up on it was they said they would tell the automakers the specs for the plugs until after that agreed to use it. Something CCS didn't do. And one reason Tesla chargers are so reliable is that they controlled everything. Now that all these other companies are plugging in, there is different software talking to the chargers and they're reliability will be going down.
The reason the legacies ignored Tesla is because they all thought Tesla would go bankrupt and it almost did, twice. The legacies wanted nothing to do with EVs cause they knew they'd lose their shirts, in more ways than you can imagine. And now we're in the present....see Tesla's stock recently? You're welcome.
That is not true. No automaker contacted Tesla after Tesla signaled they want to open the network. All of them don't want to use Tesla cause Tesla is a competitor, simple as that. It only changed after Ford jumped in and the "Visionary GM Barba" afraid to lost out. Also, it is the same software.
No, having the extra $15,000 left over from the purchase cheers me right up. So did having a free charger installed in my house. So does having 172 times as many places to get service, parts or accessories in the rare likelihood I need some. Also not being able to put a sandwich through the cracks and into the car without opening the door. Also not having to take my eyes off the road and search through menu after menu to adjust my vents or open my glovebox or (CRASH!)...
I understand Tesla owners frustration with seeing other cars at the stalls.. but they have to realize that this needs to happen for EVs to take off. The infrastructure needs to be universal for all EVs to use in my opinion. Just like gas stations are universal for all cars. Having a specific gas station for a specific car would be like a "wtf?" moment. We need more EV infrastructure and more interoperability.
@@ericbaker8807 it's not a universal plug problem it's the handshake. (Car connecting to charger). Other cars will not be compatible with the Tesla network.
@@ericbaker8807it’s true that chargers should be universal. But that also means the cost to build more should be universal also. Not paid by Tesla only, well the most reliable chargers that is. That is the problem. Tesla is ok with everyone using their chargers, they just don’t want to be the only ones setting them up and paying for it. Ford and GM said they were going to stop spending money on the charging infrastructure. That’s not fair to Tesla. When they can use the best engineers in the world to make the next big thing.
Interesting take, but fun fact: all electrons are identical, whether they’re from a Tesla or anywhere else. There’s even a theory that there's only one electron in the entire universe, moving back and forth through time, so calling them 'gross' doesn’t really make sense-they’re all the same!
2:35 So what you’re saying is: “We bought a cheaper car than a Tesla, where you pay a part for the loading charging infrastructure and maintenance of the -network, and the only thing that the other car brands needed to do is use a type of plug to get their users extra benefits with sometimes a software update… You take a stall from a person that paid for the maintenance and service and gets to wait for a person that is SAD about it…” 🤯 You can charge at other, non Tesla, location(s) if you think it’s better there…🫣
You very nicely point out what a lot of people are unaware of when buying a car. You are buying into an entire system, not just the car.
We had a LEAF for a couple years and really enjoyed our introduction to EVs, their joys and limitations. Then we sold it and got a Tesla Y. Love the car and do 100% of our charging at home (solar) except on road trips. The Tesla Supercharger network is simply perfect! Welcome to all of you just joining us. Forgive us if we seem a bit smug - we’ve had it good for so long and sharing is new. Enjoy!
Bought a Model Y back in May and have driven on many road trips since. One of the main reason why I went with Tesla was for the supercharger network which has been great and super easy to use. I live in Southern California and my only complaint is that there just isn't enough of them. EV's here are becoming quite popular. I do hear they are planning on building more in the near future.
Welcome to the party. It’s amazing that Tesla opened their network. What a gift to EV adoption working for the greater good.
I miss the old days back in 2013-14 when there weren’t that many Tesla Superchargers and how cool it was when a new one opened up on a route you normally traveled. Here in the Midwest, there was almost nobody at them back then and it was an adventure to find them in my Model S. There are a lot more Superchargers out there now, and a lot more Teslas. These days, it’s hardly ever the occasion when no one else is at a Supercharger. But at least in the Midwest, I’ve still never had to wait for a stall to open up. The Supercharger network is what made EV’s a viable alternative to gas vehicles, even though 99% of the time, you just charge up every night in your garage. And, fortunately for me, I still have free unlimited Supercharging as an early Tesla owner. I love it!
Talked to my wife about this the other day. I complained because road trips weren't fun any more, they're just boring. Most of the time you don't even need to plan the trip!
Glad you could finally make it to the party! I’m sad because if incumbents had had taken seriously Tesla’s long published “master plan” it was spelled out what was being built…supercharger network needed to be in place first. Even so, it took awhile for it to proliferate enough to mostly eliminate range anxiety. Had the other players been just as logical re EV adoption, they would have constructed a similarly robust network of chargers. Tesla has always been open to helping rather than hindering. Strange but true ⚠️
Musk fired the entire super charger team. The guy is a nut.
Thanks for the informative video. Tesla opening their Superchargers is a huge deal for people in West Texas where DC fast charging is very inadequate. I have a 2022 Chevy Bolt and got the Lectron Vortex adapter about a month ago. I tried it out at a local Tesla Supercharger using the GM app. It worked fine. This week I'm excited to go on a road trip and use it for real. Where I live it West Texas it's about 190 miles to the first DC fast charger if I drive to Austin. I can and have made it to the charger in the past, but I'm cutting it really close and it freaks my wife out rolling in to the charger with dashes on the guess-o-meter. Tesla opening up their Superchargers will allow me to charge in Llano which is only 129 miles which means no range anxiety when we go to Austin.
I can imagine that. The only time I ran through that area was 15 or so years ago and there isn’t much out there! Good luck on your trip!
@@chargeeverywhere Thanks.
@@chargeeverywhere We just got back from our trip and we had a pretty interesting charging experience. We started our trip after charging to 100% using our NEMA 14-50 plug in our garage. After we got on the road, our first charge was at the Tesla Supercharger in Llano, Texas using our Lectron Vortex adapter. Next, we charged at a Charge Point CCS charger at a TXB gas station near Bee Cave, Texas. Then, we charged at a Charge Point Level 2 at an IKEA in Round Rock, Texas. The next morning, we charged at another Teslas Supercharger in downtown San Antonio. Our last charge was at a Shell CCS charger in Junction. It was fun trying out the connector and the new chargers. Both CCS chargers have been installed within the last year or so. Even though we have a Chevy Bolt and charging is relatively slow, we didn’t feel any range anxiety on this trip.
as someone who just purchased a Chevy Bolt, I really wish that non tesla EVs had the charge port on the back driver side of the car so we don't have to block off the charger in the next spot while we charge.
Do you have an adapter yet? I ordered one for my Bolt 6 weeks ago and still havent even heard anything about it (other than the initial receipt).
Sad, too. Used to enjoy re-enacting Apollo 13 missions with my EV, when 240V campground plugs were in the mix, LOL!!
Some of the places I go are easier using campground plugs even with access to Tesla charging but it's gotten to the point where I don't have to spend the entire charging stop figuring out how long to charge and where I should stop next. Or staying in a place and having to drive 30 mins out of the way to charge
I don't have an EV but I've seen a number of Wawa and other businesses with super chargers around me and almost no other chargers so this is great news.
I have said it all along, and will keep saying it -- this is the best thing that has happened to EV adoption in North America since the founding of Tesla itself. And they began the whole thing worldwide. This is truly a game changer. Charger anxiety is now gone for all those who have access, and those that will soon get access.
With this last major obstacle gone, EV adoption will shoot up like never before. It already hit 10% of all car sales in September for the time month ever. The fact that they're being advertised all over television and other mediums from almost all manufacturers now is just another sign.
@@junehanzawa5165 The inconvenience of not being able to charge at home for people who live in multifamily buildings and can't afford to upgrade their property to support home charging is a bigger hurdle I think. People need to be able to charge conviniently on a regular basis where they already live. I've been living without my own charger for a year and it's annoying, not something I'd ever recommend to someone.
@@usflin Let me ask you this -- did you have your own gas station at home when you had an ICE vehicle?
@@junehanzawa5165 It takes me 10 min to go fill up the gas car to 100% at a gas station and return home. It takes me 2 hours at a DC charger or 8 hours at a L2 chargers to fully charge my EV to 100%. If I don't charge to 100%, then instead of one trip per week I have to make two or three trips.. Are you trying to say that people are going to be just fine waiting 2 to 8 hours at a public charger versus being able to plug in at home, go to sleep, and unplug in the morning when they wake up?
@@junehanzawa5165 Sorry again if this is a duplicate, my comments keep disappearing. What's a reasonable amount of time for you to spend thinking about where and how you'll charge your car? To wait in line at a public charger? To sit in your car while it charges? To call customer service because their app isn't working and their station isn't accepting credit card payments?
@@usflin You're confusing superchargers and their 99.96% uptime and reliability rate with EA and other such crappy providers in America. And the fact that you think otherwise illustrates why this is so game changing. Superchargers simply work. You just plug it in and it works.
The usual time for most drivers is 15 to 20 minutes. We usually grab something to eat through a drive through and eat while charging because it charges so fast that we don't have time for a sit down meal. If you don't have a place to charge at home, you simply visit a supercharger site once a week or two weeks (depending on how much you drive daily) just like you did with a gas station.
If you live in an area with high EV concentration, you simply look online and see which times the sites are least busy and go there at said times once a week, again just like a gas station.
Some people might hate joining the Tesla bandwagon, but charging plus software plus quality for price, Tesla is simply the best choice.
Great job on your "How to" ...excellent!
Tesla should mandate that other manufactures to have their charge ports where they have it on teslas that way nobody is conflicting spots between each other!
1:55 the first car manufacturer was not Ford. In July 2022 Aptera stated that they will be using NACS.
Ford is right because no one in the states knows what aptera is…..nor does anyone care who aptera is.
I was going to mention that before I saw your reply! Looking at a 2021 Bolt to replace my 2012 Prius C; I'm also an Aptera reservation holder😊
Apteras aren't available yet.
'23 Bolt euv. I just ordered this adapter, and don't plan on using it unless I need to, as it's expensive charging for a non-Tesla. Having the option is important to me, though.
In my area Tesla is at better locations and is sometimes cheaper then non Tesla. It's way more expensive then at home but can be worth it at times
My favorite plug? Definitely the NEMA 5-20P! It's got the power for everything I need, and that unique blade design just makes it stand out. If you know, you know!
That's what I use at my apartment where I have 20a outlet. The difference between the 12a and 16a power delivery really makes a difference.
@@dalececil7527 yes it does. I use Ohms law math to charge my ev. ;). I charge on a Nema 6-20. Same amount of copper but twice as fast as your 120v solution. My non Tesla ev is software limited, it don't do 16 amps at 120v. So jumping from 12amps 120v to 16 amps 240 v is a pretty big jump.
It means charging at below 20% without fear, rather than stopping with 40% cause the next charger is a weird distance away
A very good video. I had a 2018 Bolt with the optional, extra cost DC fast charging port. In your case, with a full charge, you could go 235 miles in your Bolt. So 100 miles between chargers wouldn’t be a big deal except for the slow charging at each stop. Doesn’t make the Bolt a very good road tripper unless you’re willing to sit at chargers.
2018 bolts have gotten the upgraded 259 mile battery. Best to show up at the charger at like 2 percent battery as the bolt is super slow charging from 2 percent to about 52 percent. Adding 100 miles range can be done in 30 minutes if your charging the bottom of the pack to about to percent. Basically it means that if you start your day full. You can do 250 miles (food or pee tine). Charge for 30 minutes and get another 100 to 130 miles without having to wait on the car too much. Doing more then 400 miles a day in bolt is slow but upto 400 can be fine. Doing split days where you make a purposeful lunch break to have a full sit down lunch makes the car decent for 500 mile days. For me it's kind of a game. Having access to Tesla means I am more likely to be able to pull into a charger at 2 percent and get that 1110 miles in 30 mins because there are just a lot more options for charging.
That Supercharger looks like its slowly falling backwards 6:57. I hear if you lean it forward the charging speed increases 😀. Thanks for sharing your experience with us.
Wait until you try a Tesla V4 charging stand. As you mentioned, they are biggest and taller and have longer cables so you don't have to park in strange orientations. Also, they also have a NACS adapter built in so no need to carry one. As I understand it, you swipe your CC, and base knows you need the adapter so release it with the cable (you might also have to press a button on the built-in display). If it is a Tesla, you don't swipe. You click the button when the cable is in the stand, and it disconnects from the NACS adapter and leaves the adapter locked in the stand so no one can take it. Also, some stands are placed in the middle of the parking spot, so left and right, backwards or forward does not matter much. It also seems that the V4 spots are bigger. I assume this is for trucks like a Cybertruck, F150, etc.
2019 Bolt, I thought at first I would continue to look for EA, ChargePoint, etc and keep the Tesla chargers as a backup. I guess my thinking was Tesla would be more expensive. As I am doing more research, I am finding they are in most case, more competitively priced and more logically placed.
Thanks for the tip about using the Chevy app. I just opened it, filtered by Tesla only, and found there are zero Tesla chargers in my city that accept Chevy. Saved myself the trouble of having to install and login to the Tesla app or wasting money on an adapter when I don't have any stations near me.
Interesting. Around me most of them do, but they are also mostly pretty new - I.e. v3 or newer
@@chargeeverywhereI've seen plenty of Tesla chargers in my city so they must all be v1 or v2.
Which city or town is that? Have you gone on the supercharger map online and filtered out everything except superchargers opened to NACS or opened to all?
You don't have to be on any app or anything for that.
You can also see if there are any planned sites coming to your area. Despite what everybody thinks, they added over 2,700 new chargers/stalls last quarter alone.
@@junehanzawa5165 San Francisco. I looked at the online supercharger map a while ago when Ford announced they were compatible and there were none at that time. Feel free to look again and let me know if you find any. ;) I see one in Daly City and one in South San Francisco but none in SF proper.
@@junehanzawa5165 I tried to reply earlier but I don't see that reply, so apologies if this is a duplicate. City is San Francisco, CA. I looked at the Tesla map online. There are zero "Superchargers open to Other EVs" or "Superchargers open to NACS" on that map.
I live in Philadelphia and will occasionally visit family in central PA or upstate NY. I have a Tesla and road tripping is so easy. I've looked at Plugshare and filtered only CCS stations to see what it would be like without superchargers. It would definitely be a challenge to drive.
It definitely was. A good adventure though 😊
With a Tesla you just drive to any post and plug it in. The car is recognized by the charger and you are charging. This video shows how sad the old standard was. The vehicle doesn't identify itself to the charger when plugged in. You have to use a phone. That is awful. That huge dumb old connector. So glad to see it going away. Every car made with that plug is obsolete and lost value. To drive my Mercedes any distance, I had to load three apps on my phone for the different networks and sign up with my credit card on three accounts. Then I couldn't find an open charger at any of those and had to download a fourth app at a charge station. It's hell out of the Tesla network.
Nacs is not perfect. It's handles tend to overheat when charging extremely fast charging Evs. They also don't do 800v vehicles that fast (like the cyber truck). Some ccs cars do have plug to charge on some networks. That's where the car is recognized by the charger. Overall though you are right the Tesla standard is better, but it's not the end all that people make it out to be.
I have lots of chargers in California. Plenty in most populous areas in fact. Finding a charging site is easy. There are lots of ccs sites. Often more sites and more convenient than tesla superchargers. Finding one that is available to use and unoccupied without a long queue is much more difficult. Problem is high ev adoption rate here by everyone. Additional tesla sites will hopefully relieve some of this but its just temporary. More multi unit and work L2 solutions are needed.
Yes, people don’t fully appreciate how little DCFC is needed if you have L2 everywhere!
Yep!
To give folks some added perspective on this, I was curious so I went and looked up the data for San Francisco, CA where I live. There have been 49,710 EVs registered in San Francisco, cumulatively thru mid 2024. San Francisco has around 1,000 public EV chargers. So that's about 50 EVs for every public charger. Plus a good number of public chargers turn off at midnight or when businesses close, or are located within parking garages that require payment for parking before accessing the charger.
@@usflin I see someone didn't major in math in college, or maybe your GED math has failed you. You're assuming that all EVs use public charging. What about the majority that charges at home, or at work? You assume that all the 50,000 EVs are going to charge at the same time at the public chargers? What about gas cars? How many gas stations for all the gas cars that are out in the city? Do yourself a favor, don't pretend to be smart.
@@guru2899 My point is that people need to be able to charge at home and not rely on public chargers because there are so few of them. **IF** all 50k EVs needed to use 1k chargers that obviously wouldn't work. That point seems to have flown right over your head. At least I don't go around insulting strangers on the internet, even when they have poor reading comprehension skills.
I believe the bolts that needed the update were ones that had a previous software update that broke something. My understanding is it's a extremely small minority
I had to update my 2019 Bolt for it to charge reliably on the Tasla network. Before the update I could charge one day, come back the next day it the car would not communicate with the charger.
Once I did the software update the car now has no issue with charging on the Tesla network.
Interesting. You’re the first person I’ve heard describe an issue like this.
I did the software update before getting the adapter, so I could actually get the adapter through the mychevy app..after doing the update at the dealer, I still couldn't order the adapter, but found a workaround and it's on its way theoretically. I'm glad you posted this though because my VIN was one of the ones that the concierge said required the update, so hopefully now I'll be good to go. I wonder what the update actually was and why only certain 2019s and 2020s required it.
You look just like the dad from Modern Family 😊
Some NACS chargers that are v3 are not open to non-teslas.
7:13 Did you mention you block 2 cars that can charge at 250kW to be able to charge at a Tesla charger at 50kW (the speed you can charge at ANY fast charger) 😱
Does Tesla charge more per KW for non-Tesla cars? At 52 cents/KW, my gas guzzler (20 mpg) is cheaper and more convenient for a road trip.
An interesting decision by Tesla to open their Superchargers. The CCS1 alternative used by everyone else struggled to get going which made Tesla a default EV to buy for those that like to travel out of state. Now others can use Superchargers there is less reason to buy Tesla over other brands. Is this a huge own goal or is this just being pragmatic?
NACS AC extension cables will exist, but superchargers CANNOT AND WILL NOT BE COMPATIBLE WITH EXTENSIONS. All DCFC have liquid cooling systems in the cables to prevent them overheating. This just isn’t physically possible to do with extensions. Rest assured, V4 dispensers should be the only ones installed now, and current V3 stations will likely get retrofits at some point.
1. Teslas routinely charge higher than 500 amps (i.e. they start at ~257 kw at low charge, let’s say 380v =676 amps), they just don’t hold it for more than a few minutes. 2. I am dreading the Chevy Bolts clogging up the supercharger network, having been stuck waiting for them at EVGo stations in Pittsburgh… so slow! Get a 3 and you’ll be much happier, the price is in the $30k’s now and they get 380miles of real range.
I've got a bolt. I understand your sentiment but still disagree with it. There are a number of cars that charge slow now. Kona ev. Bz4x, Nissan leaf, . And more. A bolt owner that is aware of the limitations of the car and typically chargers only to 50 or 60 percent on road trips is not any worse then a Tesla charging to 95 or so percent. Problems seem to arrise when people of any car want to charge to 100 percent for no reason. For ccs stations, problems arrise because stations are underperforming and partially broken enough that the sites won't support more then. Couple of charging Evs at a time.
Does the Lectron also work for Tesla destination chargers?
No, there is a different Lectron adapter for that. If you look back in my videos you’ll find that there. The Vortex adapter here connects to the large DCFC pins on the CCS connector, while the destination charger version connects to the J1772 AC pins.
Where is the cash slot on the charger?
Why didn't GM build out their own DC Fastcharger network? Oh, right . . . "Gm lead when it mattered" and Mary Barra has 'future vision'.
Same reason Ford doesnt own a chain of gas stations.
Frankly I think the mfrs that sell EVs (most of them now) should pool their resources and make a charging station company, like an EA. Jumpstart it for 5-10 years til it can be self-sustaining.
5:45 Again to understand… You can can charge at 50kW at ANY fast charger but you drive to a Tesla V3 charger that can charge at 250kW and let a Tesla car wait 5x longer to charge after you if all charge bays are full and ‘YOU are SAD’… What about the car that has to wait behind you…🙉🙈🙊
Often the Supercharger is the old viable option where I live. And in my limited experience so far the stations have always been less than half full so we are all getting the full charge rate that we can pull. Granted someday this may not be the case. Very location dependent.
In Europe we have Tesla super chargers with CCS2. Some with ONLY CCS but most have both Teslas proprietary plug AND a CCS cable attached to the charger. So CCS won here. My California made Model 3 was delivered with a CCS2 connector and it fits comfortably behind the same standard charging port, so it’s not that large really. Also non Tesla owners pay more for SuC here.
CCS is so annoying. It puts me in mind of fueling an airliner when I hook the thing up.
@ there is nothing annoying with it. It’s all over Europe on every charging network and allows Tesla to sell electricity to other brands at a premium accelerating the expansions of the SuC network faster.
Can’t the bolt only do 55 kW max? I wouldn’t call that super charging, maybe fast level two charging? Still good video and love EVS. 😄
My son got my Bolt as I got a MY, he lives at a major university and they only have level 1 chargers around campus and no chargers in his garage. Eventually I’ll invest in an adapter until then fairly inconvenient.
CCS was the main reason I sold my BMW I4!
Nice video. One question. Why do you keep saying TeZla. Dude, the guy's name was Nicola Tesla. It's an S sound. Why put a Z sound if there isn't one?
The sooner CCS disappears the better all EV’s should now be coming with NACS charge ports in the ideal location. The only place CCS should be found is in a electronic surplus store or. a museum.
The NACS standard was designed by engineers to encourage EV adoption.
The CCS charging standard was created by the ICE manufactures marketing departments to discourage EV adoption.
People need to stop advocating for "beefy" connectors. In engineering, it's easy to make things strong and heavy. It's why steel is so commonly used. Beefy is bad in this situation because it makes it more difficult to handle and use. It might be fine for you as a reasonably young person, but think about someone with limited strength or potentially they have a disability. I have the A2Z adapter and it's weight and difficulty to use make it a product I couldn't recommend to anyone.
Don't worry, CCS will go extinct like the Dodo.
As a Tesla owner, shareholder and Bolt owner, I welcome everyone to the Supercharger network.
Thanks, Elon and Tesla. Without your vision and leadership, we would still be looking for and hoping to charge our vehicle when taking road trips.
Agreed!
Should be the world standard ! Why did all the others not start including the NACS immediately? With all the things Tesla does so well, why did you chose a GM product? You could have paid for any model you want with proceeds form Tesla stock.
I don't own a BEV myself, but if I did, depending on Tesla for juice would feel like I'm stuck with a knock-off version of the coolest gadget on the playground.
You didn't realize how important it was?....really???
In the future I hope Tesla makes it mandatory for other companies to put their charger ports on either the driver rear or passenger front so they can conform to the intended design of the charger network. While you are considerate and parked on the end, this is not always the case, and it takes up two charging stalls when these EVs show up. End of the world? No… but when I’m routing my Tesla to a supercharger because it says there are two stalls currently available , and I show up and there are a Chevy bolt and a VW ID.4 charging and blocking access to the “available” ones, it sucks. The make it worse, neither of the above mentioned EVs charge very fast, so they will be there a while.
I am either buying or leasing an EV early next year, but will not buy a Tesla because of Musk. I’ll do my best to use only CCS chargers, but will use Tesla chargers in emergencies.
Seems strange to see a teslas without a ccs charger.
With till you try fsd . Tesla makebit easy travel and you dont have to play russian roulette when trying to charge .
So I guess I'm going to have to get a data plan for my phone. Up to now I only used it for phone and text.
Are you 95YO?
Still range anxiety when it adds 3 hours to a road trip....
I find it all good, that there is now a standard in North America, but I do not like that there are now several Standards in the world. Asia has it´s standard, so does Europe.
My Cybertruck can charge at 500Kw at V4 chargers :-)
It's Tesla, not Tezla. You come across as annoying. The company is named after a person and that's not how to pronounce his name.
Wow, .52 kwh ... It's so much cheaper to just charge a Tesla at the Superchargers, i've never paid more than .30 kwh at Tesla Superchargers.
Why would anyone buy an EV from a company without any fast charger or the availability of chargers? Some people just under estimate the important of fast charger...cough cough.
No pun intended, but it's shocking that people still think EV'S have a viable future.
3:10 of fluff. Then “how to”
Wow $200 for an adapter that should cost $50. What a rip-off. No thanks, I'll wait for more competition, and just keep using Charge-Point.
20kW oof
So you're taking 2 spots for one car and charge much slower making 2 people wait even longer. Frustrating. The good news is that your paying much more per KWh than tesla owners.
Honestly, just get a Tesla n don’t torture yourself with other brands. Why? Well the other brands aren’t internet investing in a Supercharger network like Tesla has already. Simple logic.
The reason no one took them up on it was they said they would tell the automakers the specs for the plugs until after that agreed to use it. Something CCS didn't do.
And one reason Tesla chargers are so reliable is that they controlled everything. Now that all these other companies are plugging in, there is different software talking to the chargers and they're reliability will be going down.
The reason the legacies ignored Tesla is because they all thought Tesla would go bankrupt and it almost did, twice. The legacies wanted nothing to do with EVs cause they knew they'd lose their shirts, in more ways than you can imagine. And now we're in the present....see Tesla's stock recently? You're welcome.
That is not true. No automaker contacted Tesla after Tesla signaled they want to open the network. All of them don't want to use Tesla cause Tesla is a competitor, simple as that. It only changed after Ford jumped in and the "Visionary GM Barba" afraid to lost out. Also, it is the same software.
if you got a GM EV you are a lot sad, not a little sad.
No, having the extra $15,000 left over from the purchase cheers me right up. So did having a free charger installed in my house. So does having 172 times as many places to get service, parts or accessories in the rare likelihood I need some. Also not being able to put a sandwich through the cracks and into the car without opening the door. Also not having to take my eyes off the road and search through menu after menu to adjust my vents or open my glovebox or (CRASH!)...
@@natehill8069 a true hater. hang on to that hate, soon that will be all you have left of GM.
Am I first?
At least with the comment you are!
Make your life easier buy a Tesla (less aggravating for existing Tesla owners)
I understand Tesla owners frustration with seeing other cars at the stalls.. but they have to realize that this needs to happen for EVs to take off. The infrastructure needs to be universal for all EVs to use in my opinion. Just like gas stations are universal for all cars. Having a specific gas station for a specific car would be like a "wtf?" moment. We need more EV infrastructure and more interoperability.
@@ericbaker8807 it's not a universal plug problem it's the handshake. (Car connecting to charger). Other cars will not be compatible with the Tesla network.
Rather have something everyone else doesn't have
@@ericbaker8807it’s true that chargers should be universal. But that also means the cost to build more should be universal also. Not paid by Tesla only, well the most reliable chargers that is. That is the problem. Tesla is ok with everyone using their chargers, they just don’t want to be the only ones setting them up and paying for it. Ford and GM said they were going to stop spending money on the charging infrastructure. That’s not fair to Tesla. When they can use the best engineers in the world to make the next big thing.
LOL. I'll be there with my Mach-E
Tesla electrons are gross
Hey, electrons are electrons
Except for Tesla electrons, hateful
Interesting take, but fun fact: all electrons are identical, whether they’re from a Tesla or anywhere else. There’s even a theory that there's only one electron in the entire universe, moving back and forth through time, so calling them 'gross' doesn’t really make sense-they’re all the same!
Tesla electrons have the stench of musk - science
@@EVnStevenApparen’t all fundamental particles slightly different and can’t be the same
2:35 So what you’re saying is: “We bought a cheaper car than a Tesla, where you pay a part for the loading charging infrastructure and maintenance of the -network, and the only thing that the other car brands needed to do is use a type of plug to get their users extra benefits with sometimes a software update… You take a stall from a person that paid for the maintenance and service and gets to wait for a person that is SAD about it…” 🤯
You can charge at other, non Tesla, location(s) if you think it’s better there…🫣
7:41 So Tesla has to jump trough hoops for all the 50kW geniuses who are to cheap to buy a Tesla but want the Tesla service and -experience…🫣🤯🤬