@@SanjayC I think it could be a basic arranger using clips like they do in the session view. Just make it linear and add zoom capabilities and add basic automation and fade outs. That’s basically all I would need to make full tracks. Hell even if they allowed you to export from session view into a full song, that could be a work around.
@@SanjayC there is currently no "return too arrangement button" , even just the ability to get an indication of the time moving left and right. its currently just "stand alone session view". Ableton has to find a way to get push to use more of its software, the software is inside it, but they need to find a way to get push to use more of the functions. (maybe shift keys?)
Hey Sanjay! Ananjan here from India. I run a Music Production School here. I am thinking of starting a Abelton Course. Please advise me should I get a Push 3 Standalone or just the Push 3 Controller. Or should I just Novation Controllers with some small synths? I am a Logic and Cubase Guy, so a bit new to Abelton. Hence need some help. Its Amazing to talk to you. 🙏
Can i add 4 analog synths live in standalone? does it have enough inputs without computer? I need at least 8 inputs to find it worth buying the standalone version
You will need an ADAT expansion device, such as an Audient SP8 or a. scarlet ADAT device to take advantage of extra inputs via the ADAT system in Push 3
I hope that Ableton Live will one day be able to overdub audioclips and have late finish compensation when recording audio loops (all Boss loopers have these features). Late finish compensation means that when the recording of the loop is stopped, the loop will be shortened to the previous bar instead of extended to the next bar. In Ableton Live only midi clips can be overdubbed and the midi capture feature works like a kind of late finish compensation for midi clips. Choosing any length for fixed length loops would also be a great feature for Ableton Push (at the moment only 1,2,4,8,16 and 32 bars can be chosen). With the Boss RC-505 mk2 any length between 1 and 25.000 bars can be chosen.
It cute but is still has a long way to go to catch up with the Force. If ever. The ability to upgrade the processor sounds like a great idea except processor sockets change and this is only an i3.
why do you think the Force is better? my Force is still in the "must learn this better" pile - but i'm inclined to sell it (and some other instruments/boxes) and go for Push 3 as my minimal studio centrepiece / do everything (ok many things) box
@@winstonsmith9424 the term better is always going to be based on what you need. If you have not taken time to learn what your Force is capable of, you will not be able to evaluate it's potential. The Push 3 is just marketing at this point. It has no XLR so no matter what they advertise or call it, it will never be stand alone. I have already mentioned the processor upgradability and it's limitations. The Force already has hard drive upgrade ability and it has direct to/from disk streaming so expandable memory is not an issue. If you really are looking for a minimal do everything centerpiece and you have a Force, you are already there. You just haven't put in the time to learn it. Now, if you want to have a side piece with great integration with Ableton on a laptop, the Push 3 may be for you. But if you were not willing to put in the time on the Force will you put in the time on the Push 3?
@@bryantwalley fair comments sire. I certainly don't doubt the Force's capability and until a few days ago its suitability. I'm a slow learner who has bought and sold a number of all-in-one devices from various providers looking for a certain holy grail which as you suggest might better have been reached by putting the hours in. I'm sitting here with a Gumtree Elektron Analog keys arrived at by way of Model Cycles and Syntakt (and a freakin OP1 and OPZ and various Rolands) and I feel I am finally understanding what I'm doing in the realm of ahem hardware based electronic music making/production . I'm familiar with Ableton (a friend just made an LP using my license) so yeah If i have to use a DAW I could handle that -- and i do have a good mixer with xlr etc - so I do still suspect the Push 3 may offer a lower(ish) friction home studio "solution" for myself: Hardware KB synth + everything box + mixer + monitors + ahem nasty laptop - 2 of which are portable(ish) and can go in hand luggage and run the same fairly intuitive music software either alone or together
Hello Sanjay!! Thank you for this video. Please can you help me with this question? I just want to be sure, how can I plug a XLR mic directly to the push 3 ? Specifically a shure SM7b. It’s possible with a adapter XLR-Jack? Thank you very much and all the best.
I Love MPC Machine & Novation Launchpad , One Of The Reason Is I Use FL & I Don't Have Any Of Them 🤣. Bht Would Love To Do A Review Or Create Something Fun With Them As I Love Finger Drumming 😇. BTW I Would Love To Know The New Matrix Pro Launchpads 😅 I Know You Got One Of Them. 🥹
The Push 2 is a very capable controller. I know MPE in Push 3 is a hot thing, but only few will be able to use it to its full potential as composing music with fewer variables is already complex enough. I hope this version of the Push doesn't make the cracking plastic noise. It took me months to figure out that the plastic is contracting and expanding because of the heat. One would expect better from Ableton.
I will stay with PUSH2 for now. However, if Ableton would offer the upgrade for the standalone with the battery as a separate purchase that would be great because 2.5 hours of battery life is not nearly good enough; also, I would prefer that the RAM was a separate part of the upgrade because quality high ram is able to be purchase cheap now. If they were to split the upgrade out to more options, I may consider an upgrade, but not as it currently is going to be offered.
No arranger mode 🥱 definitely *not* a gamechanger for me. I’m not even sure if it’s worth upgrading from a Push 2 yet. Besides the Mpe pads, which I don’t need, what would be a reason to upgrade from Push 2?
Ableton got to watch first hand all the back lash Akai got for not having an arranger in the Force out of the gate. They aren’t going to let that happen, expect an arranger for this before the end of the year.
Feel the same way too; there’s nothing in push 3 that’s enough for me to upgrade from push 2; I can live without the MPE pads😂.I already have a very good studio setup also push 3 stand alone is not really geared towards studio/home production; is mainly for live/electronic musicians /producers.2K is damn to expensive
Sanjay‘s Saturday news is always a must see for me. I I won‘t buy a device like Arturia push as there are many more other things more necessary. Nevertheless this gear is interesting to know about. Thanks and have a nice weekend, u2!
Showing the battery/batteries, ssd drive, how it’s upgradable, how you do it, etc. would be nice to include. Is it one battery ? Is it AA batteries, etc. who knows. Even on ableton’s website it doesn’t show or clarify.
There is a video taking it apart. The Processing module is an enclosed solution. The NVME ssd is separated but labelled Ableton with a sticker, so it may or may not be possible to copy the system on to a different NVME and put more storage in there without having to get in from ableton. The battery is a specific module, so you will not be able to replace it with anything you find on the typical market, unless some company starts making replacements. For a larger capacity on, they would also have to make a custom backplate, that can fit a larger battery and at the same time offer connection for the computer module to the heatsink. There is also no quick change of the battery, a complete removal of the backpanel i needed. And one video suggested it might not be possible to charge from a powerbank.
I like the concept of upgradeable hardware component inside a "standalone" unit. But I wonder how much longer Ableton will stick with an intel x86_64 platform, instead jumping to ARM based platform. Which could give the device a longer battery life and potentially more computing power per watt. Tech wise, It would be a fantastic if they could get Apple to provide M2 chips for such unit in the future. Given Ableton already runs on Apple's ARM platform.
Given that Live runs on a custom Linux OS as wel as macOS and windows, there’s a chance other processor types might one day be an option. Speculation on my part however.
@@wrkshp If push runs on a custom Linux OS, I can't really understand why they went with intel chipset. ARMs are more powerful, and offer much better battery-life even at a lower cost. And there are some monster chips coming, that are similar to Apple silicon but made by other makers, that may even push windows on to ARM.
@@TheJonHolstein Good question but I don't have any information I can share on that. I'm curious to see what might come in the future - but for now I suppose there won't be any big changes.
I have the push 2 and would definitely consider upgrading to the push 3 but with it being stand alone my biggest question is if it’s any more visible in battery power outside in the daytime compared to the push 2, with the 2 you can’t see anything.
I would really love to see Image Line releasing a strong competing FLStudio in a box device! A fully uogradable hardware is totally online with the forever upgradable FLStudio policy! And, of course, MPE is the trend right now, so it is mandatory and Akai lost an opportunity with the new MPC X
Ayyyyyy finally an overheat shoutout... (Edit: I hope Native puts at LEAST 8 drumpads on a new Keyboard) Also Sanjay, I need a piece of advice. I've saved up enough budget to get a 61 key MIDI Keyboard, OR an Audio interface, OR more storage and RAM Upgrades. I have a mini MIDI Keyboard and a USB Mic, and a laptop with 1 TB + 8 GB RAM setup... So anything I get is an Upgrade. And I don't record as much as I produce music using sample libraries and VSTs... So what do you think I should prioritise?
Ableton is my favorite DAW of all time. It is brilliant for making all types of music even soundtracks. But I am a little underwhelmed by the hardware. I always feel that they place all of their focus on performance, stand-alone capabilities and more loop based / electronic presentations and they keep selling themselves a little short when it comes to fully fledged production controllers and software features. I will never ever use another DAW but I wish that they start to pay more attention for full time music producers and composers who are interested in finishing songs, compositions and instrumentals and are less interested in making a beat on the road or in the garden. I am not knocking portable or standalone music producers down at all. But now that Push 3 is launched and the thirst of this category has been quenched, it's time to pay some attention to Studio based music producers who live in the arrangement view! I am lobbying for "Push Studio" next 😃🤞
I totally agree. I need a tool that helps me finish records not just start them. For that Push 2 is still more than capable and my favorite device until this came out. You say you wouldnt use anything else but Ableton but never say never. Something may come along that is perfect for your needs made by NI or who knows bitwig. I also use MPC and Maschine and even though I don’t really like the MPC sequencing that much, at least it has the option. Having said that, I’m getting the Push 3 eventually but I’m not in a rush.
Not supporting arrngement view, while supporting files with nowthing in the session view, is strange. But I don't see how a hardware control can really bring benefits fo working in the arrangement view. Except for one thing, I though about a lot, finding a way to divide the timeline with quick resolution change, to jump the timeline with the pads, especially useful when comping. I would have also liked to see a smarter way of working with both styles of workflow, with a arranger for the session view, with easy copy/paste to arranger, and jumping adding markers for the clips on the timeline, to launch different parts of the timeline instead of fixed clips. But ableton is unfortunately way behind in terms of music production, not only the lack of ARA2 support, but there are the expression mapping in other daw, signal splitting, how you can split midi and audio between plugins.
None of these standalone devices are great at all yet, they sound thin and not better than an ipad even if they should being hardware. Maybe one day they will build a complete standalone solution but right now they only gadgets at best or basic sketchpads
Great video. Can the Jog Wheel control the scrub area in Arrangement View? I understand the Jog Wheel is made for Session View. Ableton should have added a fast forward and rewind button (for scrub bar) for the Arrangement View.
I do think in a update they will allow class compliant Audio interfac4es to be connected at some point... and third party plugins I think will come with dedicated plugins made for it later on, especially with the upgradability and looking forward to see what mods people create with the processor upgrading... but maybe even people doing their own operating system mods... would be funny to see someone like LLT doing a water cooled one that can run a insane amount of tracks 🤣
I would definitely get this if it had an HDMI port so I could plug in a big screen or TV. There are many mini computers that can easily do 4K. Push should have "real" ableton and be a real computer. - there are mini computers that cost 300 USD - at 2,000 - it needs to be a real computer.
So the problem with using vsts on push is that where do you see the ui of the vst ? However think about this. You map the parameters of the vst to rack macros on the computer Ableton and then transfer it to push...now you don't need to see the vst window And can use the plugin on push standalone. However Ableton needs to provide a really big number of macros or better still keep adding macros to the rack, theres no limit.
The limit of 16 would be limiting. And they should probably do a tabbed design, to allow for jumping to different sections of controllers. But I do see that as a potential way of making plugins work in push. However I don't see a way that 3rd party plugins, or even Abletons own plugins could be adopted in such a way that they would allows access to all features, as a computer screen is simply so much more powerful for that. But they could offer a efficient way of controlling the most useable parameters (saved by maker, separate developer or the user themselves).
Hello Sanjay , would you recommend the push 3 standard or the stand alone for a beginner even though you have the option to upgrade later , Thank you for your feedback. I love your channel alot
Start with standard and upgrade later if money is tight. Standalone is nice as it brings focus to your workflow on making music, but isn’t per se a must and can be added later for a very similar cost.
I would start with the Push 3 that you connect to your computer. Unless of course, you've got some live performances lined up already, then you'll probably love having the standalone. Remember, you can upgrade later.
@@wrkshp Hi thank you very much for your advice on pointing me to the right direction. Please i was wondering if you are the guy who teaches push 2 course ? Do you have any course on the new push 3 and how do i buy the lesson. I am a total beginner in the music Production world.
Hi Nachiketa...that's not an easy question to answer...but I'll just say this...I've owned an E Drum Kit before, and I didn't use it very much. It was just a bother to get up from my chair to go and play it. Its much more convenient to have a pad controller on your desk.
in The MPC you can add storage. In this you can replace the computer module to a more powerful one (if they make one in the future), as well as separately put in a larger storage module (unclear at this point if you have to buy from Ableton, or if you can replace the storage to any standard one, if if you can transfer the OS on to a new nvme ssd).
Hello Sanjay! Thank you for showing up always. Hope Dharti is feeling well! Missed her segment. I am really interested to see if the built quality in the keylab mk3 (not the essential) is going to be as sturdy and well built as the mk2 or if it’s going to be not metal like the minilab mk3. And if it is not metal I hope they make up for it with a nice screen size and definition.
The only groundbreaking thing about the push 3 at the moment is imho the upgradablility. Everything else we will see how it is shaped in the future. The buzz is currently way bigger than the actual thing. As of now there is just way to much that is missing. I got one and might send it back because interfacing with external gear is still so rudimentary that there is no advantage for me here and it does not justify the price of 2k for me for things that barely work yet. It might change in the future and then I will get it again but for now I have other things to spend my hard earned money on
I feel like MPE is something that is being overhyped. Does anyone actually use it on a daily basis? Also the whole standalone/dawless thing is kinda toyish unless it's used for live performances
The way the pads are designed on the Push 3, it can be used pretty well for pitch-glides to specific notes. And the wiggle for vibrato, those are features that people that learn them potentially do use daily. The up/down glide and aftertouch features are things that people du use daily, but on this, both are a bit limited in terms of precision, so they are mostly suitable to specific parameters. But the stand-alone feature i dont' get, the price differente almost equates to an Macbook Air m1 with 256GB of storage and 8GB of ram, and combining push 3 controller with a computer will give the user more processing power, the speed of the RAM I think is higher as well, compensating for the extra rams used for the system, much better batterylife, the ability to run 3rd party plugins, with the only downside with the 256GB model having less free space after OS + ableton.
@@TheJonHolstein yes, extra 1000$ for 2 hour battery life is wrong. also if it's PC you can get even better specs. i played around with DAWless things like Akai MPC ONE and at this point believe it's just a cashgrab. i'd rather spend that money on a hardware synth or something
Decap said that Ableton told them that there is basically a small computer running Linux that is running Ableton Live. I’m sure VST will eventually happen and plug-in companies won’t have to do much modifying if any
So they are running Ableton through Wine emulator? PS: If one could get a Linux shell on the Push 3 device using the WIFI connection, or if there is a serial tty running on the USB interface. There could be potential to figure out how Ableton is running and does it use some kind of X11 display server. If so, there is potential you can send that X11 display server output to another computer (or tablet/smartphone) and have full GUI access to Ableton and in it to configure where to find 3rd party plugins on that device.
Right. My takeaway is less “It can’t do X” because it was built to eventually do it ALL. We just need to let it develop. It’s running Live. The extra features are coming.
The modular design of the processor, is nice... However the price is high, one can almost get an macbook Air m1 for the price difference between the controller and the stand-alone version. (The base version has 8GB of RAM, but I suspect the RAM is quicker compared to the Intel module in the Push, it also comes with 256GB of storage, but I guess in a fully fledged computer there will be less free space). That macbook air will be more powerful, offer support för 3rdparty plugins, offer substantially longer batterylife. And for those that say something about DAW-less. The Push standalone is a computer with a DAW. And a lot of things are much easier to do in the DAW in a computer compared to stand-alone hardware (be it push or other), so I think the whole idea of being dawless is just backwards. One just overcomplicates things for oneself without any benefit. Dawless hardware is not more stable compared to a modern computer. It generally boots slower. One can just as well decide to only use hardware sound sources while using a fully fledged DAW, or not use advanced editing for creating backing tracks from recordings. The playing interface of the new Push seem quite nice... but from trying a linnstrument in a store, i suspect, ones finger will get caught a little when sliding over the pads. The price is quite high for the controller only. And the CV solution was a bit of a letdown, sharing the pedal inputs, could not have saved many cents, and requires adapters compared to dedicated 3.5mm jacks (ang the number is on the low end as well). The built in sound interface also seems a bit too restricted to make any real sense, unless they can do some overbridge like stuff and stream audio through it, without it acting like an additional sound interface in ableton. Arranger view is a must for the stand alone version, as it can loads tracks, but doesn't offer any visual feedback of the track. Not being able to use the arranger view to build tracks on it, is perhaps a necessary compromise, but being able to load and see tracks loaded, is pretty much a requirement, to be to use it as an integrated solution for portable playing. In regards to using 3rd party plugins, I hope they can find a way to load them without the UI, with the macro controls (may require the user to re-save all their plugins in grouped more and assign controllers to the macros, but that makes some sense anyway for flexibel control using push or compatible daw controller with display). But like I say I don't quite see how the stand-alone version makes sense, due to the cost. Absolutely not with the battery-life limitation, that even limits the use if you try to imagine it as an instrument in stand-alone mode... and even then, the way one interacts with the hardware is extra cumbersome compared to the Ableton Live in a computer experience, even for those stock plugins. Also, in terms of hardware design, I would have added an HDMI or DP port, or a blank panel that could replaced for one in the future, to leave room for expanding the capabilities. Also in terms of hardware design, I would have designed the slot under the heatsink, so that the processing unit would connect directly to the heatsink instead of first passing through the back panel. Also I don't understand why it is running on an Intel chip, unless it is running a custom version of windows. ARM chips are more efficient, so if the system is running on their own os or a linux version, they could have gotten better battery-life, more powerful processor even at a lower priced compared to intel.
Actually, I confirmed with Ableton, they are the same version... the $999 one just doesn't have the kit installed, which is the CPU, RAM, SSD and battery. Each is separately upgradable, so that you can upgrade as things improve, such as a better battery. Modular is the way of the future. I wish they would have done that with the screen section. Haha
I think the upgrade model started with AIAIAI Headphones. This looks worth it. Maybe Ableton can figure out a way to attach a screen too as an upgrade. Good stuff 💪
try file naming 10 new samples, the tracks, clips and projects .. 1 letter at a time with that encoder wheel and the 'alphabet' on screen. with meaningful names not just "g1"
Latency would be a big problem , powerconsumtion, (intel i3) too.. crashprotection also ... is not possible at this moment ... standalone Live set can crash but the Push 3 setup can reboot witout breaking the sound.. its acool new feature a little bit like Bitwig SandBox feature...but okay Bitwig have had since a decade even for Vst..
Downloaded the free plug-in and tried to use it only to find out that ProTools isn't supported .. bruh... First time that has happened to me, but whatever.. Love your videos, dawg .
I love my push3 stand-alone, but it has still many bugs. 😢 And some things are not working… how to import a sample to an audio track (in stand-alone)? Not possible i think. And small but big workflow things: If i have a drumrack and want to add my personal samples from the user library… after each pad it jumps back to the standard folder… that is so annoying… so for each pad, i want to fill wirh my samples… i have to „deep“ dive to my personal folder again… it really kills the vibe of making a personal cool drum rack on the push 3 in stand-alone. Wow, i thought for that money it is a bit more flawless… otherwise yeah, i love it and hope for new updates soon. Yes, mpe and stand-alone is game changing.
@Sanjay C could you PLEASE tell Ableton to make @1:35 (Clip-Playback-Progress visible in Clips) available in the Ableton Software, too? It's honestly quite astonishing that they obviously CAN show Clip-playback-progress WITHIN Clips, but they arbitrarily decide to never make this available in Ableton, just in their hardware... So please tell them to honor their community by upgrading Ableton itself.
@@SanjayC not just great for me. Deal breaking. I won’t be getting a Push 3 until they add arrangement capabilities. This makes it great for live performers, not really beat making producers. I’m betting they are working on it maybe for live 12. It’s an obvious sore thumb. Seems to me that the iPad with Logic Pro is the most capable stand alone device on the market today.
I can’t understand whats the difficulty in implementing a song mode like the maschine, it doesnt need arrangement, just song mode, even 90s mpcs have song mode. wtf
$2k, Overpriced, to much hype. No XLR, no Phantom Pwr, no RCA/Phono In, Mininal I/O (requires external gear to expand), Limited LIVE Lite (need to fork over more $$$ for standard/Suite), no Arrangement View, no 3rd party plugins, no touch screen, no Bluetooth, no sd card (must depend on wifi for transfer), i3 Processor is not the optimal, Larger (not the most portable) Low battery life. $1k for the controller only version is too much.
For 2k you get a built in Computer with 8gb Ram, 256 SSD, an Audio Interface, MPE Pads, ADAT connectivity, Fully upgradable to future proof and all Stand Alone or as a controller for Live 11. Arranger will be part of it in the future, as you can export a full arranged track to the device. Just at the moment, there is no way to edit it from Push. I reckon there will be a tablet “Ableton Arranger” app, that will sync up with push 3 for the arranger mode. I think it’s worth the price, as I’ve always been impressed with Ableton’s product delivery be it software and hardware with their Push product. The hype is real and genuine imo. I can’t wait for mine to arrive.
None of the push 3 reviewers have mentioned the surface finish. Is it the same TPE rubberized surface used on the Push 1 and Push 2? If it is, this surface deteriorates to a sicky gummy mess. Researching this on the net, only to find its the same for other owners. The surface breaks down over time in normal ligh. There is no known solution, short of removing the surface with rubbing alcohol.
It’s plastic not rubber on the push 3 although some have said it does leave finger prints. They also changed the coating on the later push 2’s to stop that happening.
@@Marco-ek8wu My Push 2, which was beautiful when i got it, was a sticky mess on the sides and the back until i scrubbed that stuff off. The top was ok. My Push 1 has that surface coating on the top, as well as the sides and the back, and haven't had the heart to start scrubbing that stuff off.
Mine are still good. I keep them out of sunlight, use decksavers… i wonder if that has made a difference. They could be the ‘newer’ push 2 with better coating as well.
The standalone version is an interesting proposition if it is robust enough for live performance. After watching some Taylor Swift concert videos in a downpour recently, I doubt anything is robust enough now-days. The MPE push is now so obvious it should be compulsory. $0.02
I done being an early adapter I have done that with Maschine plus which is becoming obsolete a big disappointment!! We shall see with the push 3 I will give time for future updates.
Maschines folly was the didn’t give it the hardware specs that it needed to make it usable. Let’s hope the take some ques from the Push 3 and give it a real processor, SSDs, and ram. These are essentially mini pc’s running their own operating systems, tuned Tu do a specific thing. (Make music)
I don't think Ableton Push 3 will change the industry in terms of revolution, but the evolution of live performing? For sure. It's rather standalone instruments and if we can imagine travels in time we can also imagine bands like Depeche Mode in the 80s playing on three Ableton Push 3 instead of three keyboards :)
If it runs Linux, having an intel CPU, makes no sense. And Linux isn't inherently better than Windows or Mac OS. MS even does a really barebones version of Windows, especially for embedded solutions, if anyone has issues with the amount of stuff that comes with wndows.
@@TheJonHolstein Intel or AMD..x86..is x86... Linux is not bonded to AMD or Intel.. Serversides alone this is nonsens... Linux distros tio are often far more better optimised ,perform better then standard Windos with heave render task ..Blender Bitwig , D Vinci Resolve etc.. a lot of program have better benchmarks values under linux...
TBF we`ve been moving into digital realm because cost and price factors . I`m not sure we can get more features just like what Ableton software or other DAW offers without spending thousands of dollar for hardware gears . Yeah having products which claimed or promised to be standalone always cool . But it just that, COOL ! DAW Tactile midi units just kind of tools we`re really need to get best of both world . In term of investment and human`s expressiveness when creating music IMHO
I think i need to start messing around with Ableton live. I have it intalled i just always use my Fl studio because i have a bunch of plugins and love the piano roll.
Ableton is a smart company who know their users; a lot of them are about to be $2k lighter I suspect. Personally, I think a Embodme ERAE plus PC with better specs plus better audio interface for a LOT less makes more sense. Unless for some reason you MUST have that all-in-one portable form factor and do not mind the Live limitations vs. PC hosted. In which case Digitakt...
I’m thinking Push 3 this will be another motivator for Arturia to incorporate MPE on future hardware controllers (cough - Keylab mk3 - cough). Speaking of things that I would like to see happen: I would like a return of trying to get software instruments inside standalone hardware. I know there’s a thing called NI Kontrol ( 😉 ), but not all software synths are NKS compatible. In my mind, I see this as a “computer inside a keyboard” where you have software synths inside it and can control it as if it were a hardware instrument. This will be great for live performances as you will not need a separate computer to access those kind of synths.
If as a user you would like to load plugins from different makers, I would suggest that having an actual computer still makes more sense, in almost any case. A mac Book air m1 costs little more than the price difference between the controller version and the stand-alone version, and with that you get much better batterylife compared to the built in of the stand-alone version. You get more processing power. You can run plugins freely. But you get a little less free storage for the base version. The issue with running typical plugins in a hardware is the interface. While NKS, or wrapping/grouping in Ableton may give you mapped controllers can give you some knobs to control parameters, you don't gett full access to all the features of the plugin. And designing plugins specifically so they can be controlled in those ways makes little sense, as that makes the softwares much harder to work with. For a hardware designing company, it would make sense to use a flexible platform and possibly run what is essentially a plugin in that hardware, even though there is an interfaced designed for that specific hardware. But it doesn't make sense for software developers to design their plugins with hardware like push or Komplete Kontrol in mind. But given that Ableton has done this stand-alone concept I do hope they find a way of loading plugins, even if it requires grouping them in ableton first and assign controls, and be limited to only those controls. But I would still be looking at a MacBook Air M1, any day over paying extra for the stand alone version. And I would recommend other to do the same until they lower the price, or find a way to make it clearly beneficial to run the stand alone version. There are stands that fold pretty flat, that can hold laptops at a steep angle, so there is almost no deskspace benefit either, and you do get the fully featured plugins, access to arranger view, access to all features of ableton. And you can also sync the storage in a computer, look at youtube guides, write documents with ideas, and so much more, even if you don't want to use if for emails, facebook, write comments and so on.
@@TheJonHolstein Just to be clear, I know the impracticalities of something like this. In fact, what you wrote is very much what I thought about when thinking about this concept. But at the same time, if it can be pulled off, it would be amazing. Cheers for the thorough and constructive response =]
Ableton is truly a forward thinking company producing amazing products and producing less waste. You don’t have to buy another device if you later decide to upgrade to standalone but rather just upgrade it. And there probably won’t be a push 4. Because you can just buy a faster processor or a new battery and put it in yourself. I hope that so many companies will follow that approach!
No. There will be a Push 4 eventually, as hardware technologies and capabilities change and get obsolete. Its basically a computer. Eventually, the tech in old computers become far too old (and unsupported) to keep around. But they are heading in the right direction.
'Forward thinking'? Not much changed from the previous versions P 1&2. Looks like this form factor will live for the next 15 years. 5 years from now you'll wish for a new (car) model. No touch screen for years to come, that's not fwd thinking.
There will be a push 4, as other aspects of the controller will change. They display will probably change in size, possibly get touchscreen functionality and perhaps even tilting. The sound interface will be changed according to demands of users, probably more CV outs, and on separate 3.5mm plugs, as well as XLR plugs and more powerful pre-amp (might lose the adat). They will probably configure the unit to have 2 or more USB-C ports for external devices over a single USB-A port. They will improve the controllers, and possibly add a couple of extra buttons. They will change the design for the computer module, the battery, the heatsink, because they have not perfected that design on this unit. (the solutions makes it so that there is no room for a bigger battery, the heatsink does not connect directly to the computing unit). They may release a more powerful computing unit for the Push 3 before the push 4 comes out, depending on that issues they discover with the push 3 design. But the Push 3 will not be upgradeable to the next generation push, and there will be one, I even doubt that the push 3 will be able to be equiped with the same computer module as the next generation device, and there will be other differencies in regards to features of the unit.
For the price I don't think they've made it worthwhile - for me anyway. I'm not interested in standalone mode. As a Push 2 owner the work flow differences aren't that compelling. I hear your comment that Push was intended for ideas but I feel Push in arrangement mode is a missed opportunity especially with that new jog wheel and the price. Native Instruments was smart too in getting 3rd party plugins mapped to ni controllers. Keeps you more engaged I think. Again Push 3 is expensive. Having said that maybe unfair to compare this with Maschine. NI has a lot more experience with hardware and the user experience on it. Anyhow I love ableton but I wish there had been more thought put into this Push upgrade. Just my opinion those who think it's great, get it
Ableton could expand on the features of the Macro-layout in the device view, in such a way that they could offer a solution similar to that of Komplete Kontrol, for mapped hardware. I'm thinking of them adding more than 16 macros, and also tabbed sortings of parameters, to make it easy to jump to a specific paramter set. if they did that, it would be fairly simple for plugin developers, third party developers or the users themselves to map paramters and save as a preset (default state).
@@TheJonHolstein Yes sure. You can map 3rd party plugins yourself right now but in all honesty, who wants to do that for the 10s of plugins you've got on your ssd. I laughed the other day cause some of the Native Instruments plugins I own were mapped to Push 2 out of the box. NI has an almost laser focus on user experience, Ableton hardware isn't on the same level in that departement. They seem to jump onto new tech like mpe - which is great for sure - when the fundamentals haven't been addressed. There's so much potential for this new hardware. That jog wheel could do so much more. Imagine scrubbing through arrangement mode, setting markers and such - think the Push-ArrangeMode maxfor live device. These are all doable in software so I hope they listen. Also wish there were some live+push bundle deals too. If I sold my Push 2, the Live suite license goes with it I assume as I bought it bundled. Anyway I love most of their constant improvements in Live and think the DAW is absolutely worth it and value for money definitely. Having said that I'd hate to spend $1k on a hardware piece that's almost the same as the older version
To me there's no point in a standalone version at all. Nowadays laptops are small, light and really powerful. A lot better and more comfortable to have everything on a proper screen before your eyes not to mention other preferences of using a regular Push with a laptop rather than struggling on a standalone version with no screen, no mouse, no VSTs ... with a feeble CPU.
For the right price it could have made sense. Or if they find a way of using that processing unit for adding extra processing power to one's ableton projects. But costing like a macbook air M1 when on campaign, for what is essentially at the end just a bit more storage, but no extra ram performance, and lower CPU performance, and much much worse battery-life, makes it a pretty bad deal, in the curent form. Expecially considering that any workaorund to run 3rd party plugins would always come with limited acces to parameters, it does already for Abletons own plugins as well as the daw.
I noticed the effort you made in this video not to speak ill of this machine. MPE capabilities aside, Push 3 is a disaster. It doesn't have a Touch Screen, a lot of handling of buttons to access the functions. 2000 usd stand alone for 2 hours of battery life, without arranger. A disaster!
I enjoy waking up to the news by Sanjay C. Thank you for the freebie and for all you do for our community. You are the best!
Thank you so much
I definitely want a Push 3 but without a way to arrange it’s not fully stand alone. I’ll get it eventually but Im sticking with the Push 2 for a bit.
Agree! im saving up while ableton figures out the arrange functionality!
Would be nice if they can figure that out...but I'm not sure how efficient it would be on the current screen.
@@SanjayC I think it could be a basic arranger using clips like they do in the session view. Just make it linear and add zoom capabilities and add basic automation and fade outs. That’s basically all I would need to make full tracks. Hell even if they allowed you to export from session view into a full song, that could be a work around.
It’s a deal breaker for me.
@@SanjayC there is currently no "return too arrangement button" , even just the ability to get an indication of the time moving left and right. its currently just "stand alone session view". Ableton has to find a way to get push to use more of its software, the software is inside it, but they need to find a way to get push to use more of the functions. (maybe shift keys?)
Hey Sanjay! Ananjan here from India. I run a Music Production School here. I am thinking of starting a Abelton Course. Please advise me should I get a Push 3 Standalone or just the Push 3 Controller. Or should I just Novation Controllers with some small synths? I am a Logic and Cubase Guy, so a bit new to Abelton. Hence need some help. Its Amazing to talk to you. 🙏
The video everybody needed 🤞🏾🔥
Can i add 4 analog synths live in standalone? does it have enough inputs without computer? I need at least 8 inputs to find it worth buying the standalone version
You will need an ADAT expansion device, such as an Audient SP8 or a. scarlet ADAT device to take advantage of extra inputs via the ADAT system in Push 3
I hope that Ableton Live will one day be able to overdub audioclips and have late finish compensation when recording audio loops (all Boss loopers have these features). Late finish compensation means that when the recording of the loop is stopped, the loop will be shortened to the previous bar instead of extended to the next bar.
In Ableton Live only midi clips can be overdubbed and the midi capture feature works like a kind of late finish compensation for midi clips.
Choosing any length for fixed length loops would also be a great feature for Ableton Push (at the moment only 1,2,4,8,16 and 32 bars can be chosen). With the Boss RC-505 mk2 any length between 1 and 25.000 bars can be chosen.
thanks for teaching me something new
What about the pads? Can you see them in a bright room?? Push 2 was impossible to use outside or in my bright studio during the day.
Ableton heard your wish and answered!! Now we patiently wait on Native Instruments!!
The mpe functionality is great, but honestly, what's the hassle of having push and a small lap top? Is a setup like that not compact enough?
It cute but is still has a long way to go to catch up with the Force. If ever. The ability to upgrade the processor sounds like a great idea except processor sockets change and this is only an i3.
why do you think the Force is better? my Force is still in the "must learn this better" pile - but i'm inclined to sell it (and some other instruments/boxes) and go for Push 3 as my minimal studio centrepiece / do everything (ok many things) box
@@winstonsmith9424 the term better is always going to be based on what you need. If you have not taken time to learn what your Force is capable of, you will not be able to evaluate it's potential. The Push 3 is just marketing at this point. It has no XLR so no matter what they advertise or call it, it will never be stand alone. I have already mentioned the processor upgradability and it's limitations. The Force already has hard drive upgrade ability and it has direct to/from disk streaming so expandable memory is not an issue. If you really are looking for a minimal do everything centerpiece and you have a Force, you are already there. You just haven't put in the time to learn it. Now, if you want to have a side piece with great integration with Ableton on a laptop, the Push 3 may be for you. But if you were not willing to put in the time on the Force will you put in the time on the Push 3?
@@bryantwalley fair comments sire. I certainly don't doubt the Force's capability and until a few days ago its suitability. I'm a slow learner who has bought and sold a number of all-in-one devices from various providers looking for a certain holy grail which as you suggest might better have been reached by putting the hours in. I'm sitting here with a Gumtree Elektron Analog keys arrived at by way of Model Cycles and Syntakt (and a freakin OP1 and OPZ and various Rolands) and I feel I am finally understanding what I'm doing in the realm of ahem hardware based electronic music making/production . I'm familiar with Ableton (a friend just made an LP using my license) so yeah If i have to use a DAW I could handle that -- and i do have a good mixer with xlr etc - so I do still suspect the Push 3 may offer a lower(ish) friction home studio "solution" for myself: Hardware KB synth + everything box + mixer + monitors + ahem nasty laptop - 2 of which are portable(ish) and can go in hand luggage and run the same fairly intuitive music software either alone or together
Can you disable glide for piano sounds so it sounds more authentic like on push 2 separate pads? Thanks
Glad I waited and didn't get the push 2!
Are you getting the Push 3? Thanks for the Super Thanks man!
Where is the announced full push3 review video?
Hello Sanjay!! Thank you for this video. Please can you help me with this question? I just want to be sure, how can I plug a XLR mic directly to the push 3 ? Specifically a shure SM7b. It’s possible with a adapter XLR-Jack?
Thank you very much and all the best.
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Does push 3 standalone support clyphx features
Lots going on with Push 3. Looking forward to your video on it.
Does Push3 have have a way to edit ´Follow Actions´ from the device?
Does the controller Remote Script API for 3rd party MIDI devices work standalone?
Sanjay is so goated, is ridiculous. We appreciate you, big dawg
Yes, it is possible to use MPE keyboards with push 3. I saw a video where it was mentioned, I believe it was sonic lab overview or something.
Yep it’s possible. MIDI / MPE in out works.
Brilliant video as always
Thanks so much, DL!
No programmable midi capablities or mode for non-ableton users?
The Push 2 is a very capable controller. I know MPE in Push 3 is a hot thing, but only few will be able to use it to its full potential as composing music with fewer variables is already complex enough. I hope this version of the Push doesn't make the cracking plastic noise. It took me months to figure out that the plastic is contracting and expanding because of the heat. One would expect better from Ableton.
I will stay with PUSH2 for now. However, if Ableton would offer the upgrade for the standalone with the battery as a separate purchase that would be great because 2.5 hours of battery life is not nearly good enough; also, I would prefer that the RAM was a separate part of the upgrade because quality high ram is able to be purchase cheap now. If they were to split the upgrade out to more options, I may consider an upgrade, but not as it currently is going to be offered.
The NI instruments ad in a Push video which has just destroyed Maschine made my day. Half of the video is a commercial.
Brilliant Sanjay. Yes, big game changer AFAIC. Thank you !
Your videos get better and better every week Sanjay C! Keep up the great work! ❤
No arranger mode 🥱 definitely *not* a gamechanger for me. I’m not even sure if it’s worth upgrading from a Push 2 yet. Besides the Mpe pads, which I don’t need, what would be a reason to upgrade from Push 2?
Ableton got to watch first hand all the back lash Akai got for not having an arranger in the Force out of the gate. They aren’t going to let that happen, expect an arranger for this before the end of the year.
Feel the same way too; there’s nothing in push 3 that’s enough for me to upgrade from push 2; I can live without the MPE pads😂.I already have a very good studio setup also push 3 stand alone is not really geared towards studio/home production; is mainly for live/electronic musicians /producers.2K is damn to expensive
What happened to your music pc build ???
The PUSH 3 and the Expressive E Osmose the ultimate power couple?... They even suit each other aesthetically 😎
I need to test both of them connected together!
Bring back the opportunity to use more than 8 audio tracks. 🍻
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I won‘t buy a device like Arturia push as there are many more other things more necessary. Nevertheless this gear is interesting to know about. Thanks and have a nice weekend, u2!
Showing the battery/batteries, ssd drive, how it’s upgradable, how you do it, etc. would be nice to include. Is it one battery ? Is it AA batteries, etc. who knows. Even on ableton’s website it doesn’t show or clarify.
Hm...maybe I should take mine apart!
There is a video taking it apart. The Processing module is an enclosed solution. The NVME ssd is separated but labelled Ableton with a sticker, so it may or may not be possible to copy the system on to a different NVME and put more storage in there without having to get in from ableton. The battery is a specific module, so you will not be able to replace it with anything you find on the typical market, unless some company starts making replacements. For a larger capacity on, they would also have to make a custom backplate, that can fit a larger battery and at the same time offer connection for the computer module to the heatsink.
There is also no quick change of the battery, a complete removal of the backpanel i needed.
And one video suggested it might not be possible to charge from a powerbank.
Push 3! Wow I had no clue it was even coming out!
I like the concept of upgradeable hardware component inside a "standalone" unit. But I wonder how much longer Ableton will stick with an intel x86_64 platform, instead jumping to ARM based platform. Which could give the device a longer battery life and potentially more computing power per watt.
Tech wise, It would be a fantastic if they could get Apple to provide M2 chips for such unit in the future. Given Ableton already runs on Apple's ARM platform.
Given that Live runs on a custom Linux OS as wel as macOS and windows, there’s a chance other processor types might one day be an option. Speculation on my part however.
@@wrkshp If push runs on a custom Linux OS, I can't really understand why they went with intel chipset. ARMs are more powerful, and offer much better battery-life even at a lower cost.
And there are some monster chips coming, that are similar to Apple silicon but made by other makers, that may even push windows on to ARM.
@@TheJonHolstein Good question but I don't have any information I can share on that. I'm curious to see what might come in the future - but for now I suppose there won't be any big changes.
Thanks
I have the push 2 and would definitely consider upgrading to the push 3 but with it being stand alone my biggest question is if it’s any more visible in battery power outside in the daytime compared to the push 2, with the 2 you can’t see anything.
I would really love to see Image Line releasing a strong competing FLStudio in a box device! A fully uogradable hardware is totally online with the forever upgradable FLStudio policy! And, of course, MPE is the trend right now, so it is mandatory and Akai lost an opportunity with the new MPC X
Ayyyyyy finally an overheat shoutout...
(Edit: I hope Native puts at LEAST 8 drumpads on a new Keyboard)
Also Sanjay, I need a piece of advice. I've saved up enough budget to get a 61 key MIDI Keyboard, OR an Audio interface, OR more storage and RAM Upgrades.
I have a mini MIDI Keyboard and a USB Mic, and a laptop with 1 TB + 8 GB RAM setup... So anything I get is an Upgrade. And I don't record as much as I produce music using sample libraries and VSTs... So what do you think I should prioritise?
My quick answer would be the computer upgrades since you use sample libraries a lot..the RAM will help.
@@SanjayC Thanks for the answer. I'll go get that first😁❤️
Ableton is my favorite DAW of all time. It is brilliant for making all types of music even soundtracks. But I am a little underwhelmed by the hardware. I always feel that they place all of their focus on performance, stand-alone capabilities and more loop based / electronic presentations and they keep selling themselves a little short when it comes to fully fledged production controllers and software features. I will never ever use another DAW but I wish that they start to pay more attention for full time music producers and composers who are interested in finishing songs, compositions and instrumentals and are less interested in making a beat on the road or in the garden. I am not knocking portable or standalone music producers down at all. But now that Push 3 is launched and the thirst of this category has been quenched, it's time to pay some attention to Studio based music producers who live in the arrangement view! I am lobbying for "Push Studio" next 😃🤞
Push Studio! Haha...that's an interesting idea. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
I totally agree. I need a tool that helps me finish records not just start them. For that Push 2 is still more than capable and my favorite device until this came out. You say you wouldnt use anything else but Ableton but never say never. Something may come along that is perfect for your needs made by NI or who knows bitwig. I also use MPC and Maschine and even though I don’t really like the MPC sequencing that much, at least it has the option. Having said that, I’m getting the Push 3 eventually but I’m not in a rush.
Not supporting arrngement view, while supporting files with nowthing in the session view, is strange. But I don't see how a hardware control can really bring benefits fo working in the arrangement view. Except for one thing, I though about a lot, finding a way to divide the timeline with quick resolution change, to jump the timeline with the pads, especially useful when comping.
I would have also liked to see a smarter way of working with both styles of workflow, with a arranger for the session view, with easy copy/paste to arranger, and jumping adding markers for the clips on the timeline, to launch different parts of the timeline instead of fixed clips.
But ableton is unfortunately way behind in terms of music production, not only the lack of ARA2 support, but there are the expression mapping in other daw, signal splitting, how you can split midi and audio between plugins.
The push looks cool but I'm not an Ableton user. Is it useful for other daw Or not at all?
No it’s really only meant for Ableton Live only.
Thanks @@SanjayC. Have a good week end
None of these standalone devices are great at all yet, they sound thin and not better than an ipad even if they should being hardware. Maybe one day they will build a complete standalone solution but right now they only gadgets at best or basic sketchpads
Great video. Can the Jog Wheel control the scrub area in Arrangement View? I understand the Jog Wheel is made for Session View. Ableton should have added a fast forward and rewind button (for scrub bar) for the Arrangement View.
Hope they got the screen more bigger, it would be a great help since you also can see more of the DAW
Bro. How many gigs of plugins you have!? I can imagine that you must have more externals than keys
I do think in a update they will allow class compliant Audio interfac4es to be connected at some point... and third party plugins I think will come with dedicated plugins made for it later on, especially with the upgradability and looking forward to see what mods people create with the processor upgrading... but maybe even people doing their own operating system mods... would be funny to see someone like LLT doing a water cooled one that can run a insane amount of tracks 🤣
I'm interested to see if someone comes out with mods that we can purchase
I would definitely get this if it had an HDMI port so I could plug in a big screen or TV. There are many mini computers that can easily do 4K. Push should have "real" ableton and be a real computer. - there are mini computers that cost 300 USD - at 2,000 - it needs to be a real computer.
So the problem with using vsts on push is that where do you see the ui of the vst ?
However think about this. You map the parameters of the vst to rack macros on the computer Ableton and then transfer it to push...now you don't need to see the vst window
And can use the plugin on push standalone. However Ableton needs to provide a really big number of macros or better still keep adding macros to the rack, theres no limit.
The limit of 16 would be limiting. And they should probably do a tabbed design, to allow for jumping to different sections of controllers.
But I do see that as a potential way of making plugins work in push. However I don't see a way that 3rd party plugins, or even Abletons own plugins could be adopted in such a way that they would allows access to all features, as a computer screen is simply so much more powerful for that. But they could offer a efficient way of controlling the most useable parameters (saved by maker, separate developer or the user themselves).
Just noticed. Blackbay 58. Nice taste.🤘🏻
Thanks! Good eye!
@@SanjayC I’m in the market for one too at the moment. So I couldn’t help but notice.
Hello Sanjay , would you recommend the push 3 standard or the stand alone for a beginner even though you have the option to upgrade later , Thank you for your feedback. I love your channel alot
Start with standard and upgrade later if money is tight. Standalone is nice as it brings focus to your workflow on making music, but isn’t per se a must and can be added later for a very similar cost.
I would start with the Push 3 that you connect to your computer. Unless of course, you've got some live performances lined up already, then you'll probably love having the standalone. Remember, you can upgrade later.
@@SanjayC Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my question and thanks for pointing me to the right direction. Please have a great weekend
@@wrkshp Hi thank you very much for your advice on pointing me to the right direction. Please i was wondering if you are the guy who teaches push 2 course ? Do you have any course on the new push 3 and how do i buy the lesson. I am a total beginner in the music Production world.
Is there any difference in audio output quality between the two versions of push 3?
same sound interface
@@TheJonHolstein cool, thanx!
Why in NI part I saw Nexus?
Ah that's from a clip from my last video. I talk about how you can run NKS compatible plugins inside Komplete Kontrol.
Hey Sanjay, I'm looking to buy a percussion instruments or controller around $500, shld I go for an e drum kit or anything else, pls suggest
Hi Nachiketa...that's not an easy question to answer...but I'll just say this...I've owned an E Drum Kit before, and I didn't use it very much. It was just a bother to get up from my chair to go and play it. Its much more convenient to have a pad controller on your desk.
@@SanjayC what pad controller do you think I should buy around that budget?
Maschine
Maschine is awesome, but if you just need some nice pads and DAW control, look at the PreSonis Atom as well.
Yeah can’t got wrong with Maschine! If you just need pads there’s the Akai mpd218, and also the Nektar Aruba if you want a built in sequencer.
Im pretty sure that back in the days you can upgrade Akai MPC, adding extra memory buying a multiout card and also a sort of external filter control.
in The MPC you can add storage. In this you can replace the computer module to a more powerful one (if they make one in the future), as well as separately put in a larger storage module (unclear at this point if you have to buy from Ableton, or if you can replace the storage to any standard one, if if you can transfer the OS on to a new nvme ssd).
Wait, u can't arrange in standalone?
Wow push 3 is so slim! i expected it to be much chunkier
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Hi Shiv! Thanks for coming around to check out the new video!
@@SanjayCalways waiting for your vids and new gear!
Hello Sanjay! Thank you for showing up always. Hope Dharti is feeling well! Missed her segment. I am really interested to see if the built quality in the keylab mk3 (not the essential) is going to be as sturdy and well built as the mk2 or if it’s going to be not metal like the minilab mk3. And if it is not metal I hope they make up for it with a nice screen size and definition.
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Looking forward to the new KeyLab flagship 😍
Yeah, me too!
I wish I could upgrade my Dave Smith Tempest like that
The only groundbreaking thing about the push 3 at the moment is imho the upgradablility. Everything else we will see how it is shaped in the future. The buzz is currently way bigger than the actual thing. As of now there is just way to much that is missing. I got one and might send it back because interfacing with external gear is still so rudimentary that there is no advantage for me here and it does not justify the price of 2k for me for things that barely work yet. It might change in the future and then I will get it again but for now I have other things to spend my hard earned money on
I feel like MPE is something that is being overhyped. Does anyone actually use it on a daily basis? Also the whole standalone/dawless thing is kinda toyish unless it's used for live performances
The way the pads are designed on the Push 3, it can be used pretty well for pitch-glides to specific notes. And the wiggle for vibrato, those are features that people that learn them potentially do use daily. The up/down glide and aftertouch features are things that people du use daily, but on this, both are a bit limited in terms of precision, so they are mostly suitable to specific parameters.
But the stand-alone feature i dont' get, the price differente almost equates to an Macbook Air m1 with 256GB of storage and 8GB of ram, and combining push 3 controller with a computer will give the user more processing power, the speed of the RAM I think is higher as well, compensating for the extra rams used for the system, much better batterylife, the ability to run 3rd party plugins, with the only downside with the 256GB model having less free space after OS + ableton.
@@TheJonHolstein yes, extra 1000$ for 2 hour battery life is wrong. also if it's PC you can get even better specs. i played around with DAWless things like Akai MPC ONE and at this point believe it's just a cashgrab. i'd rather spend that money on a hardware synth or something
Decap said that Ableton told them that there is basically a small computer running Linux that is running Ableton Live. I’m sure VST will eventually happen and plug-in companies won’t have to do much modifying if any
Yes this is what I heard from them too. I hope it happens soon.
So they are running Ableton through Wine emulator?
PS: If one could get a Linux shell on the Push 3 device using the WIFI connection, or if there is a serial tty running on the USB interface. There could be potential to figure out how Ableton is running and does it use some kind of X11 display server. If so, there is potential you can send that X11 display server output to another computer (or tablet/smartphone) and have full GUI access to Ableton and in it to configure where to find 3rd party plugins on that device.
Right. My takeaway is less “It can’t do X” because it was built to eventually do it ALL. We just need to let it develop. It’s running Live. The extra features are coming.
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The modular design of the processor, is nice... However the price is high, one can almost get an macbook Air m1 for the price difference between the controller and the stand-alone version. (The base version has 8GB of RAM, but I suspect the RAM is quicker compared to the Intel module in the Push, it also comes with 256GB of storage, but I guess in a fully fledged computer there will be less free space). That macbook air will be more powerful, offer support för 3rdparty plugins, offer substantially longer batterylife.
And for those that say something about DAW-less. The Push standalone is a computer with a DAW. And a lot of things are much easier to do in the DAW in a computer compared to stand-alone hardware (be it push or other), so I think the whole idea of being dawless is just backwards. One just overcomplicates things for oneself without any benefit. Dawless hardware is not more stable compared to a modern computer. It generally boots slower. One can just as well decide to only use hardware sound sources while using a fully fledged DAW, or not use advanced editing for creating backing tracks from recordings.
The playing interface of the new Push seem quite nice... but from trying a linnstrument in a store, i suspect, ones finger will get caught a little when sliding over the pads.
The price is quite high for the controller only.
And the CV solution was a bit of a letdown, sharing the pedal inputs, could not have saved many cents, and requires adapters compared to dedicated 3.5mm jacks (ang the number is on the low end as well).
The built in sound interface also seems a bit too restricted to make any real sense, unless they can do some overbridge like stuff and stream audio through it, without it acting like an additional sound interface in ableton.
Arranger view is a must for the stand alone version, as it can loads tracks, but doesn't offer any visual feedback of the track. Not being able to use the arranger view to build tracks on it, is perhaps a necessary compromise, but being able to load and see tracks loaded, is pretty much a requirement, to be to use it as an integrated solution for portable playing. In regards to using 3rd party plugins, I hope they can find a way to load them without the UI, with the macro controls (may require the user to re-save all their plugins in grouped more and assign controllers to the macros, but that makes some sense anyway for flexibel control using push or compatible daw controller with display).
But like I say I don't quite see how the stand-alone version makes sense, due to the cost. Absolutely not with the battery-life limitation, that even limits the use if you try to imagine it as an instrument in stand-alone mode... and even then, the way one interacts with the hardware is extra cumbersome compared to the Ableton Live in a computer experience, even for those stock plugins.
Also, in terms of hardware design, I would have added an HDMI or DP port, or a blank panel that could replaced for one in the future, to leave room for expanding the capabilities.
Also in terms of hardware design, I would have designed the slot under the heatsink, so that the processing unit would connect directly to the heatsink instead of first passing through the back panel.
Also I don't understand why it is running on an Intel chip, unless it is running a custom version of windows. ARM chips are more efficient, so if the system is running on their own os or a linux version, they could have gotten better battery-life, more powerful processor even at a lower priced compared to intel.
Actually, I confirmed with Ableton, they are the same version... the $999 one just doesn't have the kit installed, which is the CPU, RAM, SSD and battery. Each is separately upgradable, so that you can upgrade as things improve, such as a better battery. Modular is the way of the future. I wish they would have done that with the screen section. Haha
I think the upgrade model started with AIAIAI Headphones. This looks worth it.
Maybe Ableton can figure out a way to attach a screen too as an upgrade. Good stuff 💪
try file naming 10 new samples, the tracks, clips and projects .. 1 letter at a time with that encoder wheel and the 'alphabet' on screen.
with meaningful names not just "g1"
I'd love to see the push 3 being compared to a MPE device since this is the major feature that i'm looking for.
Game changer for sure! I wouldn’t consider the standalone version though, unless it had 3rd party plug-in support.
Yeah, someone needs to figure out running third-party plugins on these devices.
Latency would be a big problem , powerconsumtion, (intel i3) too..
crashprotection also ...
is not possible at this moment ...
standalone Live set can crash but the Push 3 setup can reboot witout breaking the sound..
its acool new feature a little bit like Bitwig SandBox feature...but okay Bitwig have had since a decade even for Vst..
Downloaded the free plug-in and tried to use it only to find out that ProTools isn't supported .. bruh... First time that has happened to me, but whatever.. Love your videos, dawg .
I love my push3 stand-alone, but it has still many bugs. 😢 And some things are not working… how to import a sample to an audio track (in stand-alone)? Not possible i think.
And small but big workflow things: If i have a drumrack and want to add my personal samples from the user library… after each pad it jumps back to the standard folder… that is so annoying… so for each pad, i want to fill wirh my samples… i have to „deep“ dive to my personal folder again… it really kills the vibe of making a personal cool drum rack on the push 3 in stand-alone. Wow, i thought for that money it is a bit more flawless… otherwise yeah, i love it and hope for new updates soon. Yes, mpe and stand-alone is game changing.
@Sanjay C could you PLEASE tell Ableton to make @1:35 (Clip-Playback-Progress visible in Clips) available in the Ableton Software, too? It's honestly quite astonishing that they obviously CAN show Clip-playback-progress WITHIN Clips, but they arbitrarily decide to never make this available in Ableton, just in their hardware... So please tell them to honor their community by upgrading Ableton itself.
No arrangement view on the push 3 is kind of a set back and a big thing to miss. Hopefully they can add this through software.
I think arrangement would've been a great addition to the Push 3.
@@SanjayC not just great for me. Deal breaking. I won’t be getting a Push 3 until they add arrangement capabilities. This makes it great for live performers, not really beat making producers. I’m betting they are working on it maybe for live 12. It’s an obvious sore thumb. Seems to me that the iPad with Logic Pro is the most capable stand alone device on the market today.
I can’t understand whats the difficulty in implementing a song mode like the maschine, it doesnt need arrangement, just song mode, even 90s mpcs have song mode. wtf
Push 3 looks nice, is like the Maschine now.
$2k, Overpriced, to much hype. No XLR, no Phantom Pwr, no RCA/Phono In, Mininal I/O (requires external gear to expand), Limited LIVE Lite (need to fork over more $$$ for standard/Suite), no Arrangement View, no 3rd party plugins, no touch screen, no Bluetooth, no sd card (must depend on wifi for transfer), i3 Processor is not the optimal, Larger (not the most portable) Low battery life. $1k for the controller only version is too much.
I agree with you
For 2k you get a built in Computer with 8gb Ram, 256 SSD, an Audio Interface, MPE Pads, ADAT connectivity, Fully upgradable to future proof and all Stand Alone or as a controller for Live 11.
Arranger will be part of it in the future, as you can export a full arranged track to the device. Just at the moment, there is no way to edit it from Push. I reckon there will be a tablet “Ableton Arranger” app, that will sync up with push 3 for the arranger mode.
I think it’s worth the price, as I’ve always been impressed with Ableton’s product delivery be it software and hardware with their Push product.
The hype is real and genuine imo.
I can’t wait for mine to arrive.
@@JamesBermingham that's about 200 dollar of specs
@Foxieplayzz that made me laught lol
Overpriced for you maybe
Now when people say that they're going to go and "play halo 2" they're going to have to clarify that they mean the synthesizer and not the game
If they made this smaller so that is portable it would have been perfect.
None of the push 3 reviewers have mentioned the surface finish. Is it the same TPE rubberized surface used on the Push 1 and Push 2? If it is, this surface deteriorates to a sicky gummy mess. Researching this on the net, only to find its the same for other owners. The surface breaks down over time in normal ligh. There is no known solution, short of removing the surface with rubbing alcohol.
It’s plastic not rubber on the push 3 although some have said it does leave finger prints. They also changed the coating on the later push 2’s to stop that happening.
@@Marco-ek8wu My Push 2, which was beautiful when i got it, was a sticky mess on the sides and the back until i scrubbed that stuff off. The top was ok. My Push 1 has that surface coating on the top, as well as the sides and the back, and haven't had the heart to start scrubbing that stuff off.
@@chrisliddiard725 akai MPCs had that same shitty coating. Whoever made that stuff should be fired
Mine are still good. I keep them out of sunlight, use decksavers… i wonder if that has made a difference. They could be the ‘newer’ push 2 with better coating as well.
The standalone version is an interesting proposition if it is robust enough for live performance. After watching some Taylor Swift concert videos in a downpour recently, I doubt anything is robust enough now-days. The MPE push is now so obvious it should be compulsory. $0.02
I done being an early adapter I have done that with Maschine plus which is becoming obsolete a big disappointment!! We shall see with the push 3 I will give time for future updates.
I think time will tell for sure. I hope they keep supporting and improving Push 3.
Maschines folly was the didn’t give it the hardware specs that it needed to make it usable. Let’s hope the take some ques from the Push 3 and give it a real processor, SSDs, and ram. These are essentially mini pc’s running their own operating systems, tuned Tu do a specific thing. (Make music)
That thumbnail thoooo 🤌🏾🔥
I don't think Ableton Push 3 will change the industry in terms of revolution, but the evolution of live performing? For sure. It's rather standalone instruments and if we can imagine travels in time we can also imagine bands like Depeche Mode in the 80s playing on three Ableton Push 3 instead of three keyboards :)
fun fact internal standalone Live runs on tuned Linux System....
no fancy Mac , no bs WinDos.....
If it runs Linux, having an intel CPU, makes no sense. And Linux isn't inherently better than Windows or Mac OS. MS even does a really barebones version of Windows, especially for embedded solutions, if anyone has issues with the amount of stuff that comes with wndows.
@@TheJonHolstein Intel or AMD..x86..is x86...
Linux is not bonded to AMD or Intel..
Serversides alone this is nonsens...
Linux distros tio are often far more better optimised ,perform better then standard Windos with heave render task ..Blender Bitwig , D Vinci Resolve etc.. a lot of program have better benchmarks values under linux...
TBF we`ve been moving into digital realm because cost and price factors . I`m not sure we can get more features just like what Ableton software or other DAW offers without spending thousands of dollar for hardware gears . Yeah having products which claimed or promised to be standalone always cool . But it just that, COOL !
DAW Tactile midi units just kind of tools we`re really need to get best of both world . In term of investment and human`s expressiveness when creating music IMHO
I think i need to start messing around with Ableton live. I have it intalled i just always use my Fl studio because i have a bunch of plugins and love the piano roll.
Yeah, give it a try
Maybe after the updates, bug fixes and arranger capabilities....then maybe 🤔
Ableton is a smart company who know their users; a lot of them are about to be $2k lighter I suspect. Personally, I think a Embodme ERAE plus PC with better specs plus better audio interface for a LOT less makes more sense. Unless for some reason you MUST have that all-in-one portable form factor and do not mind the Live limitations vs. PC hosted. In which case Digitakt...
So this is just a controller for 2k you have to wait years before they reach their peak by then it will be about 1200
1K for the controller version. the extra 1K for the stand-alone version makes little sense.
@@TheJonHolstein so why buy it then.. not abelton user..
I’m thinking Push 3 this will be another motivator for Arturia to incorporate MPE on future hardware controllers (cough - Keylab mk3 - cough).
Speaking of things that I would like to see happen: I would like a return of trying to get software instruments inside standalone hardware. I know there’s a thing called NI Kontrol ( 😉 ), but not all software synths are NKS compatible. In my mind, I see this as a “computer inside a keyboard” where you have software synths inside it and can control it as if it were a hardware instrument. This will be great for live performances as you will not need a separate computer to access those kind of synths.
That would be awesome. I’d love a device like that as well.
Arturia hinted they have an mpe capable controller coming
@@aquaticborealis4877 Never a question of if, but when =]
If as a user you would like to load plugins from different makers, I would suggest that having an actual computer still makes more sense, in almost any case. A mac Book air m1 costs little more than the price difference between the controller version and the stand-alone version, and with that you get much better batterylife compared to the built in of the stand-alone version. You get more processing power. You can run plugins freely. But you get a little less free storage for the base version.
The issue with running typical plugins in a hardware is the interface. While NKS, or wrapping/grouping in Ableton may give you mapped controllers can give you some knobs to control parameters, you don't gett full access to all the features of the plugin. And designing plugins specifically so they can be controlled in those ways makes little sense, as that makes the softwares much harder to work with.
For a hardware designing company, it would make sense to use a flexible platform and possibly run what is essentially a plugin in that hardware, even though there is an interfaced designed for that specific hardware. But it doesn't make sense for software developers to design their plugins with hardware like push or Komplete Kontrol in mind.
But given that Ableton has done this stand-alone concept I do hope they find a way of loading plugins, even if it requires grouping them in ableton first and assign controls, and be limited to only those controls. But I would still be looking at a MacBook Air M1, any day over paying extra for the stand alone version. And I would recommend other to do the same until they lower the price, or find a way to make it clearly beneficial to run the stand alone version. There are stands that fold pretty flat, that can hold laptops at a steep angle, so there is almost no deskspace benefit either, and you do get the fully featured plugins, access to arranger view, access to all features of ableton. And you can also sync the storage in a computer, look at youtube guides, write documents with ideas, and so much more, even if you don't want to use if for emails, facebook, write comments and so on.
@@TheJonHolstein Just to be clear, I know the impracticalities of something like this. In fact, what you wrote is very much what I thought about when thinking about this concept. But at the same time, if it can be pulled off, it would be amazing.
Cheers for the thorough and constructive response =]
Ableton is truly a forward thinking company producing amazing products and producing less waste. You don’t have to buy another device if you later decide to upgrade to standalone but rather just upgrade it. And there probably won’t be a push 4. Because you can just buy a faster processor or a new battery and put it in yourself. I hope that so many companies will follow that approach!
No. There will be a Push 4 eventually, as hardware technologies and capabilities change and get obsolete. Its basically a computer. Eventually, the tech in old computers become far too old (and unsupported) to keep around. But they are heading in the right direction.
'Forward thinking'? Not much changed from the previous versions P 1&2. Looks like this form factor will live for the next 15 years. 5 years from now you'll wish for a new (car) model. No touch screen for years to come, that's not fwd thinking.
Ive never seen this much bullsh*t in a single post!
There will be a push 4, as other aspects of the controller will change. They display will probably change in size, possibly get touchscreen functionality and perhaps even tilting. The sound interface will be changed according to demands of users, probably more CV outs, and on separate 3.5mm plugs, as well as XLR plugs and more powerful pre-amp (might lose the adat).
They will probably configure the unit to have 2 or more USB-C ports for external devices over a single USB-A port.
They will improve the controllers, and possibly add a couple of extra buttons.
They will change the design for the computer module, the battery, the heatsink, because they have not perfected that design on this unit. (the solutions makes it so that there is no room for a bigger battery, the heatsink does not connect directly to the computing unit).
They may release a more powerful computing unit for the Push 3 before the push 4 comes out, depending on that issues they discover with the push 3 design. But the Push 3 will not be upgradeable to the next generation push, and there will be one, I even doubt that the push 3 will be able to be equiped with the same computer module as the next generation device, and there will be other differencies in regards to features of the unit.
For the price I don't think they've made it worthwhile - for me anyway. I'm not interested in standalone mode. As a Push 2 owner the work flow differences aren't that compelling. I hear your comment that Push was intended for ideas but I feel Push in arrangement mode is a missed opportunity especially with that new jog wheel and the price. Native Instruments was smart too in getting 3rd party plugins mapped to ni controllers. Keeps you more engaged I think. Again Push 3 is expensive. Having said that maybe unfair to compare this with Maschine. NI has a lot more experience with hardware and the user experience on it. Anyhow I love ableton but I wish there had been more thought put into this Push upgrade. Just my opinion those who think it's great, get it
Ableton could expand on the features of the Macro-layout in the device view, in such a way that they could offer a solution similar to that of Komplete Kontrol, for mapped hardware. I'm thinking of them adding more than 16 macros, and also tabbed sortings of parameters, to make it easy to jump to a specific paramter set. if they did that, it would be fairly simple for plugin developers, third party developers or the users themselves to map paramters and save as a preset (default state).
@@TheJonHolstein Yes sure. You can map 3rd party plugins yourself right now but in all honesty, who wants to do that for the 10s of plugins you've got on your ssd. I laughed the other day cause some of the Native Instruments plugins I own were mapped to Push 2 out of the box. NI has an almost laser focus on user experience, Ableton hardware isn't on the same level in that departement. They seem to jump onto new tech like mpe - which is great for sure - when the fundamentals haven't been addressed. There's so much potential for this new hardware. That jog wheel could do so much more. Imagine scrubbing through arrangement mode, setting markers and such - think the Push-ArrangeMode maxfor live device. These are all doable in software so I hope they listen. Also wish there were some live+push bundle deals too. If I sold my Push 2, the Live suite license goes with it I assume as I bought it bundled. Anyway I love most of their constant improvements in Live and think the DAW is absolutely worth it and value for money definitely. Having said that I'd hate to spend $1k on a hardware piece that's almost the same as the older version
No Kontakt capability makes it a no from me
To me there's no point in a standalone version at all. Nowadays laptops are small, light and really powerful. A lot better and more comfortable to have everything on a proper screen before your eyes not to mention other preferences of using a regular Push with a laptop rather than struggling on a standalone version with no screen, no mouse, no VSTs ... with a feeble CPU.
Or an iPad with Logic Pro. Best standalone device on the market today imho.
For the right price it could have made sense. Or if they find a way of using that processing unit for adding extra processing power to one's ableton projects.
But costing like a macbook air M1 when on campaign, for what is essentially at the end just a bit more storage, but no extra ram performance, and lower CPU performance, and much much worse battery-life, makes it a pretty bad deal, in the curent form. Expecially considering that any workaorund to run 3rd party plugins would always come with limited acces to parameters, it does already for Abletons own plugins as well as the daw.
Somebody should play the Halo theme on the Halo 2 synth.
I noticed the effort you made in this video not to speak ill of this machine. MPE capabilities aside, Push 3 is a disaster. It doesn't have a Touch Screen, a lot of handling of buttons to access the functions. 2000 usd stand alone for 2 hours of battery life, without arranger. A disaster!
Ableton is charging $1000 for a $399 Intel i3 Mini PC
I think the Push 3 is a step backwards in technology. The Standalone specs are laughable. It’s a product to buy to have as eye candy in the studio
No, not far enough, not game-changing! 64 gb ram will be game-changing