gg.Imho you really need to check at least if he is one base all ining, if he has got a natural expansion, so you know all you got to do is defend. You had 1400 minerals near the end, if it was spent on army, maybe you could have won. I liked the liberator to deal with tanks, its something you didnt do in the past.
You saw at 4:25 that he was going to drop. You said it. You knew it was coming in. But your marines stayed in the middle of the base rather than damaging the medivacs before they could drop. You also built 2 turrets by you mineral line but that ssooooo far back from the edge where drops happen. You can build that second turret by the supply depot in the bottom right corner. Always easy to see these things afterwards, but thinking on the feet is a key to success here. Good luck!!
would you suggest i put the turrets behind the mineral line? i've just realised i always put them in the mineral line, which is really obviously dumb now i think about it
@@Voidspacealpha It's not dumb. Pro players barely ever build turrets which seems odd, but they stop mineral line harassment., However a drop of 2 medivacs is more than harassment it's an actual attack (as opposed to say a liberator flying in) . So having a turret on the edge of the base area means any drop gets hurt more and any mineral line drop has to fly through the whole turret range before that happens; so with marines as well, can be able to take down at least 1 of those medivacs before they unload in the line. :)
GG . . . Damn my game senses was tingling really hard (more like itching really hard) in all of those bad responses LoL. Finally a viking but still not a single cyclone, that could have helped a lot against those drops. Imagined if you have send your entire army to attack while having 2 cyclones just waiting on the edge to shoot down those drops. Continued on reply . . .
Tip: "Current Game Proper Response" 1. Worker Body-Block = TvT is the match where using workers to attack is more effective. The idea is to use them as Human-Shields (especially Against Tanks) and their best against 1-Base All-ins . LOSING WORKERS AGAINST SOMEONE WHO STOPPED PRODUCING ANY WORKERS IS A FARE TRADE. The Weakness to Early Tank Drops is Workers 😂. Its funny but it's actually true. BUT DON'T FORGET THEY STILL NEED ACTUAL ARMY FOR SUPPORT. 2. "VikingCycloneTank" Defense = It's because you haven't tried yet, But you'll be surprised how just having 1Cyclone, 1Tank and 1Viking in the Base is enough to Defend your entire Main & 1st-Expansion Base. How to use: 1Tank - siege it beside the ramp where it can partly Zone-out both Main & 2nd Base. If a very big drop happens just fall back to the safety of the RAMP-TANK 1Cyclone - let it guard at the edge of your main base it's entire purpose is to catch drops, Libs or even BCs and oracles. It has more damage against armor which are flying and mech units 1Viking - is a support for cyclone and used for hunting drops or any flyers where cyclone couldn't catch anymore. It's also good for hunting overlords and drops hiding on the edges. THUS, VikingCycloneTank is basically the 1st line of defense while wait for the BACKUP to arrive. The BACKUP could be retreating your MAIN-ARMY to defend or just wait for the NEW-ARMY RESERVES that pops-out from your Production.😊
First drop should have been handled much better, as soon as you see it, pull a chunk of SUVs attack with everything. Before that, if you had stim or had a reactor on one of your barracks you could have had a ton more to deal with the first drop. The positioning of the Siege tank was also sub-optimal, a Siege to the right of the CC instead of on top would have helped significantly. You are playing the right way to get better, but you need to cue up more than one game per day to see the significant improvement from getting better defensively. The macro cycles are strong for your level, when you get up to them, but playing defensive is a great way to play under your actual MMR. I continue to play defensive and I've gotten quite good at it. Consider using your second orbital (as soon as it's built) to scan the main base to ensure what cheese you are in for with an opponent who does not expand. If you know there is a cloaked banshee coming in or a BC, then maybe build a turret in your mineral line or behind, but not a turret and a bunker there. It feels real bad if you are dealing with cloaked banshees and you didn't save a scan for sure, but more often than not an early turret is a death sentence vs T. Protoss is a different story.
Straighht up, spread out marines coupled with a few turrents at the edges ia almost a must nowadays - at least one behind the mineral line. I don't know why people put turrents within their mineral line unless they're fearing a banshee. Liberator and Medic Drop (Tank with SCVs or Marines poss Marauder combo)
So I think the most obvious thing going on is you really just aren't comfortable playing atm. You didn't lose this one because you played horribly but rather just because you spent a ton of time wondering what he was going to do and not enough time just doing super solid macro. A bunker in the mineral line slows down income. Your opponent was doing a solid one base play. Maybe try that for a bit. Try to get back into that more aggressive less scared mindset. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man. Annoyingly im away on business for 4 days, so ill be getting rusty all over again. However, i am going to do some more research whilst im away
2mins in you are already doing completely random things, try watch some build order guides from pros, try to copy them step by step strictly, practice a ton in vs AI, it would help a lot
gg.Imho you really need to check at least if he is one base all ining, if he has got a natural expansion, so you know all you got to do is defend. You had 1400 minerals near the end, if it was spent on army, maybe you could have won. I liked the liberator to deal with tanks, its something you didnt do in the past.
Totally.
Shows a little growth atleast
You saw at 4:25 that he was going to drop. You said it. You knew it was coming in. But your marines stayed in the middle of the base rather than damaging the medivacs before they could drop. You also built 2 turrets by you mineral line but that ssooooo far back from the edge where drops happen. You can build that second turret by the supply depot in the bottom right corner. Always easy to see these things afterwards, but thinking on the feet is a key to success here. Good luck!!
would you suggest i put the turrets behind the mineral line?
i've just realised i always put them in the mineral line, which is really obviously dumb now i think about it
@@Voidspacealpha It's not dumb. Pro players barely ever build turrets which seems odd, but they stop mineral line harassment.,
However a drop of 2 medivacs is more than harassment it's an actual attack (as opposed to say a liberator flying in) . So having a turret on the edge of the base area means any drop gets hurt more and any mineral line drop has to fly through the whole turret range before that happens; so with marines as well, can be able to take down at least 1 of those medivacs before they unload in the line.
:)
This totally makes sense. Thank you @mh1593
GG . . . Damn my game senses was tingling really hard (more like itching really hard) in all of those bad responses LoL.
Finally a viking but still not a single cyclone, that could have helped a lot against those drops.
Imagined if you have send your entire army to attack while having 2 cyclones just waiting on the edge to shoot down those drops.
Continued on reply . . .
Tip: "Current Game Proper Response"
1. Worker Body-Block
= TvT is the match where using workers to attack is more effective. The idea is to use them as Human-Shields (especially Against Tanks) and their best against 1-Base All-ins . LOSING WORKERS AGAINST SOMEONE WHO STOPPED PRODUCING ANY WORKERS IS A FARE TRADE.
The Weakness to Early Tank Drops is Workers 😂. Its funny but it's actually true. BUT DON'T FORGET THEY STILL NEED ACTUAL ARMY FOR SUPPORT.
2. "VikingCycloneTank" Defense
= It's because you haven't tried yet, But you'll be surprised how just having 1Cyclone, 1Tank and 1Viking in the Base is enough to Defend your entire Main & 1st-Expansion Base.
How to use:
1Tank - siege it beside the ramp where it can partly Zone-out both Main & 2nd Base. If a very big drop happens just fall back to the safety of the RAMP-TANK
1Cyclone - let it guard at the edge of your main base it's entire purpose is to catch drops, Libs or even BCs and oracles. It has more damage against armor which are flying and mech units
1Viking - is a support for cyclone and used for hunting drops or any flyers where cyclone couldn't catch anymore. It's also good for hunting overlords and drops hiding on the edges.
THUS, VikingCycloneTank is basically the 1st line of defense while wait for the BACKUP to arrive.
The BACKUP could be retreating your MAIN-ARMY to defend or just wait for the NEW-ARMY RESERVES that pops-out from your Production.😊
Oh totally man
Looks like cyclones are missing for me then
First drop should have been handled much better, as soon as you see it, pull a chunk of SUVs attack with everything.
Before that, if you had stim or had a reactor on one of your barracks you could have had a ton more to deal with the first drop. The positioning of the Siege tank was also sub-optimal, a Siege to the right of the CC instead of on top would have helped significantly.
You are playing the right way to get better, but you need to cue up more than one game per day to see the significant improvement from getting better defensively. The macro cycles are strong for your level, when you get up to them, but playing defensive is a great way to play under your actual MMR.
I continue to play defensive and I've gotten quite good at it. Consider using your second orbital (as soon as it's built) to scan the main base to ensure what cheese you are in for with an opponent who does not expand.
If you know there is a cloaked banshee coming in or a BC, then maybe build a turret in your mineral line or behind, but not a turret and a bunker there. It feels real bad if you are dealing with cloaked banshees and you didn't save a scan for sure, but more often than not an early turret is a death sentence vs T. Protoss is a different story.
Some really good advice in here man. Thank you
Straighht up, spread out marines coupled with a few turrents at the edges ia almost a must nowadays - at least one behind the mineral line. I don't know why people put turrents within their mineral line unless they're fearing a banshee. Liberator and Medic Drop (Tank with SCVs or Marines poss Marauder combo)
Yeah I really don’t know why I put the turret in the actual mineral line. I wish I had a reason
I wonder if you couldn't have stimmed under the medivacs and snipe them when you saw them mid map.
More than likely
I thought there was no way in hell he was dropping in your main with all that defense. Dang.
My arse has only just recovered from the lack of lube with that one. Gotta respect the play there
The bunker and the turret in the mineral line has got to be really bad for your resource collection rate.
you are bang on. Why the flipping hell am i doing this. idiot
So I think the most obvious thing going on is you really just aren't comfortable playing atm. You didn't lose this one because you played horribly but rather just because you spent a ton of time wondering what he was going to do and not enough time just doing super solid macro. A bunker in the mineral line slows down income. Your opponent was doing a solid one base play. Maybe try that for a bit. Try to get back into that more aggressive less scared mindset. Keep up the good work.
I do notice this when i take time off the game. i lose my agressive edge and play more manic
totally second the concept of a less scared mindset. Work on that and you've already won half the battle :)
Thanks man.
Annoyingly im away on business for 4 days, so ill be getting rusty all over again.
However, i am going to do some more research whilst im away
2mins in you are already doing completely random things, try watch some build order guides from pros, try to copy them step by step strictly, practice a ton in vs AI, it would help a lot
You wouldn't believe me if i said i'd done this to death, but clearly i've forgotten a lot in my off time